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== House of De Bona-Additional==
 
== House of De Bona-Additional==
 
House of De Bona (the proper name) '''''vs'''''  the ''slavic'', House of Bunic on [[Wikipedia]].    [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:House_of_Bunić Link ''for'' Talk:House of Bunic]
 
House of De Bona (the proper name) '''''vs'''''  the ''slavic'', House of Bunic on [[Wikipedia]].    [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:House_of_Bunić Link ''for'' Talk:House of Bunic]
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===Family Member Statement===
 
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As a Croatian member of the de Bona family, I would like to remind everybody of the following:
 
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The Bona name already appears in a document dated from the 10th century - this document can be seen in Dubrovnik. All Croatian identity documents show de BONA (even during Yugoslavia) All family records show the name BONA, never Bunic Tombstones show Bona, never Bunic.
 
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Bunic predominantly appears in books written by "Yugoslav" authors or those using "Yugoslav" sources. Paintings in the Dubrovnik Museum show the name "de Bona" on all the paintings - description tags usually say Bunic and now also Bona in most cases (since Croatia's independence -- under Yugoslavia, nearly exclusively Bunic).
 
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In Dubrovnik the family is known as Bona, not Bunic. The aristocracy wanted to distinguish themselves from the rest of the population and did not Slavicize their names (except two families of Slavic origin)...in some cases some people who wrote in Croatian or a form of it also used a Slavic version of the name...Additional proof needed for the Bona name. So far none seen.
 
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In MHO, this page should be known as House of Bona (aka Bunic) and all the names in the Slavic version should appear in parentheses next to the Bona name. As far as I know, there are no historical records with these Slavic names. All family records, always show the name Bona even when the rest of the text is written in Croatian.
 
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A small clique is controlling all the info that goes into the Croatian pages. This is a fact. They are very determined that only info they accept can enter in Wikipedia. Otherwise, they do everything to make sure it's deleted -- often with no explanation --. If they don't like a user they will do everything to ban him.
 
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In MHO, Bunic is only used to say it's "Croatian" versus "Italian"... I don't recognise myself in the Bunic name. It doesn't mean anything to me...but Croatian people, who don't know anything about the family, are telling everybody it's the name...with no proof to back it up.
 
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You make up your mind what the name of the House is... Debona.michel (talk) 10:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 
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===Ref for De Bona:===   
 
===Ref for De Bona:===   
 
* Age, Marriage, and Politics in Fifteenth Century Ragusa ''by'' David Rheubottom <ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=_3dGQI2MdKQC&pg=PA77&dq=(de)+Bona+house+ragusa&client=safari&cd=1#v=onepage&q=(de)%20Bona%20house%20ragusa&f=false Age, Marriage, and Politics in Fifteenth Century Ragusa] by David Rheubottom</ref>
 
* Age, Marriage, and Politics in Fifteenth Century Ragusa ''by'' David Rheubottom <ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=_3dGQI2MdKQC&pg=PA77&dq=(de)+Bona+house+ragusa&client=safari&cd=1#v=onepage&q=(de)%20Bona%20house%20ragusa&f=false Age, Marriage, and Politics in Fifteenth Century Ragusa] by David Rheubottom</ref>
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*Our Kingdom Come: The Counter-Reformation, the Republic of Dubrovnik by Zdenko Zlatar <ref>[http://books.google.com/books?client=safari&cd=9&id=RGRpAAAAMAAJ&dq=House+of+De+Bona+dubrovnik&q=House+of+De+Bona+#search_anchor Our Kingdom Come] The Counter-Reformation, the Republic of Dubrovnik by Zdenko Zlatar</ref>
 
*Our Kingdom Come: The Counter-Reformation, the Republic of Dubrovnik by Zdenko Zlatar <ref>[http://books.google.com/books?client=safari&cd=9&id=RGRpAAAAMAAJ&dq=House+of+De+Bona+dubrovnik&q=House+of+De+Bona+#search_anchor Our Kingdom Come] The Counter-Reformation, the Republic of Dubrovnik by Zdenko Zlatar</ref>
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* Dubrovnik’s Patrician Houses and Their Participation in Power (1440-1640) ''by'' Zdenko Zlatar/hrcak.srce.hr/ page 49 <ref>[http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8ZZoIxjLQg8J:hrcak.srce.hr/file/28928+House+of+De+Bona+dubrovnik&hl=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShfySDFoeDnq8Xs1VHKAD7TKmoK5f62fuEJZB_R93bpVoRTnerV_ILq9MngmdQBuQzVpc-pdFZyJP7PYuoRzp-446zoCevYYADqA7GTlYuCqZT6uZdNv_apIZqulcnDnTP-dbDy&sig=AHIEtbQGOnW1WNvuOttPIWfXVCUnZIg26g Dubrovnik’s Patrician Houses and Their Participation in Power (1440-1640)] by Zdenko Zlatar/hrcak.srce.hr/file/28928. page 49</ref>
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* Dubrovnik’s Patrician Houses and Their Participation in Power (1440-1640) ''by'' Zdenko Zlatar/hrcak.srce.hr/ page 49 <ref>[http://74.125.155.132/scholar?q=cache:yfQheBR-5fUJ:scholar.google.com/+Dubrovnik’s+Patrician+Houses+and+Their+Participation+in+Power+bona&hl=en&as_sdt=2000 Dubrovnik’s Patrician Houses and Their Participation in Power (1440-1640)] by Zdenko Zlatar/hrcak.srce.hr/file/28928. page 49</ref>
 
   
 
   
 
'''Zdenko Zlatar''' is Reader in Slavic History at The University of Sydney. Address:
 
'''Zdenko Zlatar''' is Reader in Slavic History at The University of Sydney. Address:
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Latest revision as of 14:13, 10 February 2011

House of De Bona-Additional

House of De Bona (the proper name) vs the slavic, House of Bunic on Wikipedia. Link for Talk:House of Bunic

Ref for De Bona:

  • Age, Marriage, and Politics in Fifteenth Century Ragusa by David Rheubottom [1]

Book overview: This book combines the insights of history and anthropology with innovative techniques such as computer simulation to investigate the relationships between politics, kinship, and marriage in the late-medieval city-state of Ragusa (present-day Dubrovnik). At its heart is a reconsideration of `office' and the ways in which ties of kinship and marriage were mobilised to build electoral success.

  • Our Kingdom Come: The Counter-Reformation, the Republic of Dubrovnik by Zdenko Zlatar [2]
  • Dubrovnik’s Patrician Houses and Their Participation in Power (1440-1640) by Zdenko Zlatar/hrcak.srce.hr/ page 49 [3]

Zdenko Zlatar is Reader in Slavic History at The University of Sydney. Address: Department of History, The University of Sydney, Sydney, N.S.W. 2006, Australia

  • Dubrovnik Under French Rule by Stjepan Cosic page 113 hrcak.srce.hr/file/12648. [4]
  • Dubrovnik‎ by Barisa Krekic [5]
  • Journal of Croatian Studies: Volume 20 by Croatian Academy of America [6]
  • Quattrocento Adriatico: Fifteenth-Century Art of the Adriatic by Charles Dempsey [7]
  • Helias and Blasius De Radoano: Ragusa Merchants in the Second Half of the 14th Century by Barisa Krekic.

" In February of 1378 Blasius and Sir Lucas de Bona had appointed two Venetians and a Ragusan" page 408 [8]

Note: Reference writing is based on unpublished and published documents from the State Archives in Dubrovnik, Croatia.

  • From Dubrovnik (Ragusa) Florence: Observations on the Recruiting of Domestic Servants in the 15 Century by Paola Pinelli - hrcak.srce.hr/file/50677.page 63

"for slave trade companies continued to be founded, like the one established in 1445 between Marino di Bona of Ragusa and Benedetto Magrino for the trade of 12-15 male and female slaves." [9]

  • The Factions within the Ragusan Patriciate (17-18 Century) S. Cosic and N. Vekaric.

Table 1. Factions in the Great Conspiracy of 1610/12 by senatorship. page 23 [10]

Note: Stjepan Cosic, member of the Institute for Historical Sciences of the Croatian Academy of Sciences and Arts in Dubrovnik. Address: Zavod za povijesne znanosti HAZU, Lapadska obala 6, 20000 Dubrovnik, Croatia.

Nenad Vekarie, head of the Institute for Historical Sciences of the Croatian Academy of Sciences and Arts in Dubrovnik. Address: Zavod za povijesne znanosti HAZU, Lapadska obala 6, 20000 Dubrovnik, Croatia.

(Dubrovnik Annals, No.6 Srpanj 2002.[11])


In Croatia:

  • National Security and the Future. Editorial Office, Rudera Boskoviceva 20, 10000 Zagreb, Croatia:

" The Ragusan Archives document , "Speculum Maioris Consilii Rectores", showed 4397 rectors elected between September 1440 to June l806; 2764, (63 %) were from eleven "old patrician" families: Gozze, Bona, Caboga, Cerva, Ghetaldi, Giorgi, Gradi, Pozza, Saraca, Sorgo, and Zamanya. An 1802 list of Ragusa's governing bodies showed that 6 of the 8 Minor Council, and 15 of 20 Grand Council members were from the same 11 families." [12]

E-mail: bona@de-bona.com, gsm: + 385 91 6374883, Zrinsko Frankopanska 5, Dubrovnik, Croatia fax: +385 20 311816 Pantovcak 8, Zagreb, Croatia, fax: +385 1 4821347 DeBona.com

  • HUMANIZAM -hrv. književnost 14. i 15. st. [13]

(Debona.michel: "Basically, we are dealing with a small group of mostly young, very aggressive, (extreme) nationalist/jingoist/chauvinist, passionate (24/7), degree-less students who have decided that Wikipedia is their domain/soap box and a no one should get in their way." - 8 January 2010)

References

  1. ^ Age, Marriage, and Politics in Fifteenth Century Ragusa by David Rheubottom
  2. ^ Our Kingdom Come The Counter-Reformation, the Republic of Dubrovnik by Zdenko Zlatar
  3. ^ Dubrovnik’s Patrician Houses and Their Participation in Power (1440-1640) by Zdenko Zlatar/hrcak.srce.hr/file/28928. page 49
  4. ^ Dubrovnik Under French Rule (1810-1814) Dubrovnik Under French Rule by Stjepan Cosic/ hrcak.srce.hr/file/12648. page 113
  5. ^ Dubrovnik‎ by Barisa Krekic
  6. ^ Journal of Croatian Studies Volume 20 by Croatian Academy of America
  7. ^ Quattrocento Adriatico: Fifteenth-Century Art of the Adriatic by Charles Dempsey "The papers collected in this book provide many new observations about the artistic interrelationship between Italy and the cities of the Dalmatian coast during the fifteenth century, with special attention given to the influence on both sides of the Adriatic of the styles of Donatello in sculpture, Squarcione in painting, and Alberti in architecture. Essays are devoted to fifteenth-century painting in Dalmatia and its ties to the opposite shore; to the centrality of Padua in diffusing artistic ideas throughout the Adriatic; to Venetian sovereignty over Dalmatia; to Renaissance villas on the Dalmatian coast; to the architectural activity of Michelozzo and his shop in Dubrovnik. (University of Ljubljana), Johannes Roll (The Humboldt University)."
  8. ^ Helias and Blasius De Radoano: Ragusa Merchants in the Second Half of the 14th Century by Barisa Krekic
  9. ^ From Dubrovnik (Ragusa) Florence : Observations on the Recruiting of Domestic Servants in the 15 Century by Paola Pinelli/hrcak.srce.hr/file/50677 page 63
  10. ^ The Factions within the Ragusan Patriciate (17-18 Century) by S. Cosic and N. Vekaric. Table 1. Factions in the Great Conspiracy of 1610/12 by senatorship. page 23
  11. ^ Dubrovnik Annals, No.6 Srpanj 2002.
  12. ^ National Security and the Future-Croatia:Ragusa Intelligence & Security (RIS) - A Model for the 21st Century! Stevan Dedijer Dubrovnik, Croatia
  13. ^ Humanizam -hrv. književnost 14. i 15. st
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