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'''Wikipaedophilia''' is the home from home for pro-paedophile activists (PPA's). "The reason I spend so much time at Wikipedia is that their Paedophilia article is the top result for that term on Google, making it an important platform for us." [http://www.boychat.org/messages/1071772.htm].
'''Wikipedia''' is a special place for the many ''pro-paedophile activists'' (PPA's) who organize together to create Wikipedia accounts and abuse Wikipedia's policy of inclusiveness and tolerance to promote their point of view. A poster on the [http://www.wikisposure.com/Annabelleigh.net Annabelleigh] message board (dedicated to adults who want to have sex with ''very'' young girls) neatly summed up the project for Wikipedia subversion - "The most important function wikipedia serves is via the pedophilia articles themselves. It is important that they remain fair and unbiased. It is important that they continue to have external links to the support and activist community. The user pages are much less important. It is of the utmost importance that pedophiles newly daring to google "pedophile" or "pedophilia," or look them up directly in wikipedia, in an effort to understand themselves better, are able to get unbiased information and are presented with links to a support forum like GC and/or sites like Lindsay's human face of pedophilia. Many of these men and women are in dire need of support".
: "The Wikipedia accounts 'DPeterson' and 'RalphLender' have been banned for a period of one year. These accounts, both operated by Arthur Becker-Weidman, an attachment therapist notorious for pushing his unsupported views on a range of subjects including paedophilia and child sexual abuse. His other sockpuppets (MarkWood, JonesRD, SamDavidson, and JohnsonRon) have been blocked indefinitely." [http://www.boychat.org/messages/1088517.htm]
Another comment on the [http://www.wikisposure.com/Boychat Boychat] message board says "The reason I spend so much time at Wikipedia is that their Paedophilia article is the top result for that term on Google, making it an important platform for us." [http://www.boychat.org/messages/1071772.htm].
Often, pedophiles make public calls for other pedophiles to help them swing the balance against those who try to undercut their campaign to subvert Wikipedia. The vast majority of these messages are on Boychat. The posters there reassure each other that it is all right to be a pedophile, and that they should embrace their feelings. It is possible that this sense of ''camaraderie'' encourages them to act upon their desires, rather than seek help.
Pedophile editors are a difficult group to deal with. It is understandably hard to find unbiased editors who will go near the subject. The pedophiles, by contrast, are tenacious and incredibly persistent. They naturally identify with one another as a 'persecuted' minority, they have a deep underlying need to justify to, or perhaps to hide from themselves what they are. While they cannot openly advocate the practice - and indeed would never admit to themselves what it really is, they specialise in edits that tend to 'normalise' the practice, or that disguise or deny the fact it is abusive.
For more detailed information on how Wikipedia is being used as a platform for PPA views, see the excellent [http://www.wikisposure.com/Wikipedia_Campaign Wikipedia page] at Wikisposure.
== Pedospeak ==
Pedospeak is a terminology affected by pedophiles when referring to their lifestyle. Its purpose is to obscure the negative effects of their actions, and achieving legitimacy amongst the general public. While some pedospeak words are simply abbreviations of terms commonly used by anyone discussing pedophilia, many of the phrases betray a clear attempt to twist the existing terminology in their favor. By changing the language typically used to denote the sexual abuse of children, they hope to portray this abuse in a more benign light. See '''Pederasty'''.
See the excellent article at Wikisposure [http://www.wikisposure.com/Pedospeak here].
== The Jules Verne Article ==
== The Jules Verne Article ==
Note some of the editors' names are in red. These ''were'' eventually banned from the project (one of them because he tried to form a relationship with a 12-year old boy who was editing Wikipedia.
Note some of the editors' names are in red. These ''were'' eventually banned from the project (one of them because he tried to form a relationship with a 12-year old boy who was editing Wikipedia.
== The History of Homosexuality ==
One particularly tenacious group of editors are followers of the Left Coast academic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Armstrong_Percy_III William Percy]. Percy has an intriguing thesis: that the history of homosexuality is the history of pederasty. According to him, the historical record of homosexuality is a history of older men taking young boys (between the age of 12 and 17, according to the definition he gives) as lovers. Thus Homosexual history has been misrepresented. Paedophilia is central to the real history of homosexuality - and by implication to its true nature; modern 'gay rights' theory has marginalised it.
It is a view enthusiastically adopted by the American paedophile rights assocation NAMBLA. In an [http://www.nambla.org/pederasty.htm essay] on their website, David Thorstad argues that "Pederasty is the main form that male homosexuality has acquired throughout Western civilization - and not only in the West! Pederasty is inseparable from the high points of Western culture - ancient Greece and the Renaissance [...] in the late nineteenth century, pederasty was an integral part of the new gay movement", and uses this argument to justify his cry for "the liberation and empowerment of young people", and "the liberation of children, women, boy-lovers, and homosexuals in general", and to justify his complaint that the gay liberation movement has "increasingly sought to marginalize even demonize cross-generational love".
A corollary is that the modern liberal rights view of homosexuality (i.e. as essentially consensual, governed by same ethical considerations as heterosexual relations) is a historical aberration. The advocates of this view point argue for a 'Golden Age' of pederasty before the growth of the Judaic religions in Europe. The paradigm was Greek culture, in which older men took young boys in the role of benevolent guardian and mentor. Paedophiliac relations accepted in all societies and cultures. The 'fall' occurred with the advent of Judaic morals (and particular Christian Catholic morality), from which our modern liberal view is derived.
This is an intriguing idea, and has all sorts of implications that it is best not to follow up here. I suspect it is not true if Percy's ability as a medieval historian is anything to judge by (his account of medieval philosophy is skewed and idiosyncratic, verging on travesty). In any case, this strange view should have no place in a project that was not designed for 'original research', and whose policies certainly prohibit it.
Yet there are many advocates of this view editing Wikipedia, and you will find it stated or implied in many places. I could give a hundred examples of this from the 'diffs' or edit-differences that are freely available to any member of the public who visits the Wikipedia website.
==Manga==
* [[Directory:The Wikipedia Point of View/I love you Wikipi-tan]]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kasuga]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kasuga[/url] is responsible for these images.
[url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Works_by_Kasuga]http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Works_by_Kasuga[/url]
It was he who drew this notorious image
[url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lolicon_Sample.png]http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lolicon_Sample.png[/url]
as being his own work. His deviant art site is here
[url=http://kasuga39.deviantart.com/]http://kasuga39.deviantart.com/[/url]
where one of his pictures got banned for underage nudity. He does not yet have any products for sale
[url=http://kasuga39.deviantart.com/prints/?utm_source=deviantart&utm_medium=userpage&utm_campaign=printstab]http://kasuga39.deviantart.com/prints/?utm...paign=printstab[/url]
He says here that he draws pornographic comic strips
[url=http://kasuga39.deviantart.com/journal/12617458/#comments]http://kasuga39.deviantart.com/journal/12617458/#comments[/url]
And his website is here
[url=http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/]http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/[/url]
where you can find many images of underage girls drawn in a sexualized way.
[edit] And one of the sites he links to on this page [url=http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/bookmark.html#policy]http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/bookmark.html#policy[/url] is very disturbing.
[url=http://satsuki-yamai.net/top]http://satsuki-yamai.net/top[/url] DOT html (do not link from work)
[url=http://satsuki-yamai.net/status_doku/index]http://satsuki-yamai.net/status_doku/index[/url] DOT html (probably illegal)
Cartoons of little girls being tortured. Why is he linking to this? Why is the artist behind the famous Wikipedia 'Wikipe-tan' linking to websites showing little girls with their genitalia being mutilated, screaming in pain? Beyond belief.
See also here [url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2009Apr#Review_of_File:Lolicon_Sample.png]http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:...icon_Sample.png[/url] for the usual idiotic discussion about whether the lolicon image was illegal or not.
[quote]It's a ridiculous assertion. First, Kasuga wouldn't have drawn it if it was pornographic. Second, there's no nudity, and no sexual situation portrayed. We have pictures of real naked children on Commons, and have for a long time; this doesn't even come close. Powers (talk) 22:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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Another site he links to portrays graphic sexual abuse of minors
[url=http://avonlea.sakura.ne.jp/dojin]http://avonlea.sakura.ne.jp/dojin[/url] DOT htm (almost certainly illegal)
===More stuff by Kasuga===
The artist is Kasuga who drew Wikipetan and whose website has many many pictures of little girls. He draws them in poses and with clothes suggestive of 11 years old or younger (I mean, girls get out of the 'pink princess' stage by 8 at the most)
*[http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/image_oebi/futagohime_07.png], [http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/image_oebi/ppg_04.png],
[http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/image_oebi/nadja27.png],
[http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/image_oebi/zelda_01.png],
but with contours suggestive of teenagers.
*[http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/image_oebi/precure_103.png],
[http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/image_oebi/famitan_01.png]
or just blatantly sexualised
*[http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/image_oebi/nadja21.png],
[http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/image_oebi/gyakusai_2.png],
[http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/image_oebi/nadja24.png],
[http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/image_oebi/precure_34.png].
== Block of Phdarts and Peter Damian ==
== Block of Phdarts and Peter Damian ==
On 24 June, Phdarts complained about the behaviour of some of the PPA editors:
On 24 June, Phdarts complained about the behaviour of some of the PPA editors:
:In order to encourage constructive discussion and a useful edit--discuss cycle, I instigated a Wikiquette alert upon you [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts]. Feel free to reply. [[User:Phdarts|Phdarts]] ([[User talk:Phdarts|talk]]) 14:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC) In order to encourage constructive discussion and a useful edit--discuss cycle, I instigated a Wikiquette alert upon you [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts]. Feel free to reply. [[User:Phdarts|Phdarts]] ([[User talk:Phdarts|talk]]) 14:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:In order to encourage constructive discussion and a useful edit--discuss cycle, I instigated a Wikiquette alert upon you [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts]. Feel free to reply. [[User:Phdarts|Phdarts]] ([[User talk:Phdarts|talk]]) 14:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Haiduc&diff=prev&oldid=221444762]
In return, it seems that the PPAs sought administrative action
In return, it seems that the PPAs sought administrative action
:The current clique is clearly not susceptible to reasoned argument, since they insist on viewing the subject from a modern standpoint with the all the distortions of terminology and current social theory.
:The current clique is clearly not susceptible to reasoned argument, since they insist on viewing the subject from a modern standpoint with the all the distortions of terminology and current social theory.
:I still may throw in the odd spanner and will certainly follow your own strategy with interest. Wikipedia is of course 'democratic' in essence with all the uncertainties that brings to bear on exceptional writers like yourself. With best wishes, D. ([[User:Domniqencore|Domniqencore]] ([[User talk:Domniqencore|talk]]) 09:50, 28 June 2008 (UTC))
:I still may throw in the odd spanner and will certainly follow your own strategy with interest. Wikipedia is of course 'democratic' in essence with all the uncertainties that brings to bear on exceptional writers like yourself. With best wishes, D. ([[User:Domniqencore|Domniqencore]] ([[User talk:Domniqencore|talk]]) 09:50, 28 June 2008 (UTC)) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Haiduc&diff=prev&oldid=222250643]
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Haiduc&diff=prev&oldid=222250643]
=== Phdarts is blocked ===
=== Phdarts is blocked ===
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_pederasty Spartan_pederasty]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_pederasty Spartan_pederasty]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theban_pederasty Theban_pederasty]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theban_pederasty Theban_pederasty]
== DPeterson ==
: "The Wikipedia accounts 'DPeterson' and 'RalphLender' have been banned for a period of one year. These accounts, both operated by Arthur Becker-Weidman, an attachment therapist notorious for pushing his unsupported views on a range of subjects including paedophilia and child sexual abuse. His other sockpuppets (MarkWood, JonesRD, SamDavidson, and JohnsonRon) have been blocked indefinitely." [http://www.boychat.org/messages/1088517.htm]
See [[Directory:The Wikipedia Point of View/Dpeterson | Dpeterson]]
== Historical Pederastic couples ==
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&oldid=227420613 old version of talk page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Historical_pederastic_couples&oldid=221438778
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=226707130#Unusual_action_by_admin_FCYTravis July 2008] ANI discussion of an administrator who deleted the appalling article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_pederastic_couples Historical_pederastic_couples].
"Admin FCYTravis has just deleted the article Historical pederastic couples, in spite of the fact that it just survived an AFd. I find this action unusual, to say the least, ands would like input from other admins and the community as a whole. One person's distaste for an article must not take precedent over a sourced article and lack of consensus, which was divided 60/40. Jeffpw (talk) 20:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)"
* The need to attack other editors at the same time. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=226870434], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=prev&oldid=226865920]
* Pro-pederasty collaboration (canvassing?) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Haiduc&diff=prev&oldid=226828851]
* upset about not getting the requisite pro pederasty editor support? [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=prev&oldid=226828539]
* rather one-sided view of libel (pro pederast side) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=226824572]
* Very upset [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies&diff=prev&oldid=226823929]
* Denial of significant views [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=226795815]
Just a cursory look at the literature shows a significant view that Shively is a NAMBLA advocate man/boy love advocate heckled at cornell Gay Community News. Boston: May 12, 1984. Vol. 11, Iss. 42; pg. 2
“NAMBLA also co-sponsored Shively's visit”
They must be conservative, and the yuk brigade, therefore unworthy? [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=226823790]
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_July_20&diff=prev&oldid=226822843]
looking for blood [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=226772253]
=== Haiduc strange comments September 30 2008 ===
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242185862&oldid=242170536]
* "What is it about the love of boys that bothers you so?" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242013151&oldid=241992653]
* Reverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242016082&oldid=242013151]
On adding a section to the List of Historical Pederastic Couples, Nandesuka looks at what the sources say, which all say that Montgomery had strong, non-sexual relationships with boys [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242019112&oldid=242016082]. Haiduc replies with "what does sex have to do with it?"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242104971&oldid=242021030], which implies that any man who has a close, non-sexual relationship with an under-aged boy is probably really a pederast. Another editors says that if that's all there is to it, then the list is probably meaningless[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242118711&oldid=242114606]. Haiduc replies by saying that it is irrelevant what editors think pederasty is, which implies that his position is the objective one[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242134631&oldid=242119238]. Squeakbox turns the mirror back towards Haiduc...[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242136118&oldid=242134631]. Haiduc says that he wasn't including himself in his statement and that his position is the "scientific" one [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242158133&oldid=242150170]. Another editor brings up "child-grooming"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242170536&oldid=242164360]....and this comment is removed by an admin[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242185862&oldid=242170536]. The same sort of process is currently happening at "Theban Pederasty". I don't see how this can be allowed to continue, one way or the other....
=== More by Haiduc: Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity ===
The Yonge translation
:And Heraclides was so much deceived that he took some passages out of one of his works, and cited them as the words of Sophocles; and Dionysius, when he perceived it, gave him notice of the real truth; and as he would not believe it, and denied it, he sent him word to examine the first letters of the first verses of the book, and they formed the name of Panculus, who was [b]a friend[/b] of Dionysius. [http://classicpersuasion.org/pw/diogenes/dlheraclides.htm]
As edited by Haiduc:
:And Heraclides was so much deceived that he took some passages out of one of his works, and cited them as the words of Sophocles; and Dionysius, when he perceived it, gave him notice of the real truth; and as he would not believe it, and denied it, he sent him word to examine the first letters of the first verses of the book, and they formed the name of Panculus, who was [b]an eromenos[/b] of Dionysius.."<nowiki><ref></nowiki>THE LIVES AND OPINIONS OF EMINENT PHILOSOPHERS BY DIOGENES LAERTIUS, TRANSLATED BY C.D. YONGE. "LIFE OF HERACLIDES" VII<nowiki></ref></nowiki> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=199748762&oldid=199744407]
Other miscitations appear to be (but I need to check further): [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244043425&oldid=244042289],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244042289&oldid=244040900],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244040900&oldid=244038744],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244038744&oldid=244037678],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244037678&oldid=244036098],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244036098&oldid=244035911],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244035911&oldid=244032578],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244032578&oldid=244031541],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244031541&oldid=244030066]
== VigilancePrime ==
The damning part of the Wikisposure article is where a connection is drawn between [http://www.wikisposure.com/Daniel_Lievre Daniel Lievre], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Daniel_Li%C3%A8vre Wikipedia contributions] who clearly is a very nasty piece of work, and editors on-wiki. This email e.g.
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Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 1:27 AM
From: lievre@hushmail.com
Subject: Fwd: My perma-ban on Wikipedia
Fwd to 9 Wikipedia contacts.
-- Forwarded message from Tlato SMD <tlatosmd@googlemail.com> --
After coming back from a few days of wiki-break to cool off and forgive some people, I find that my modest step back has been thanked by perma-banning me. With you as my only accessible Wikipedia contact right now, it would be great if VigilancePrime, Homologeo, and Bikasuishin could be notified that I've left another comment on my talkpage now that I've come back.
It would also be great if users SSBohio, HolokittyNX, Allstarecho, PeaceNT, and maybe others could be notified of my current unwarranted, humiliating situation.
TlatoSMD
- Daniel Lièvre (lievre@hushmail.com)
Webmaster, Newgon.com.
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Clearly directing the named editors to fight against the blocking of the Barry Jameson account [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:El_C&oldid=206007697#Barry_Jameson_block_review]
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Barry_Jameson Jameson contributions]
And here for the record is the correct link to the Jameson block on ANI [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=191533874#Block_review_User:Barry_Jameson]
==Belginusanl==
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Belginusanl Belginusanl]
* [http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:24.192.149.137 Dutch Wikipedia]
==Thje Subject of an article==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jonathan_King&oldid=307151627#Rule_879:_.27The_subject_of_an_article_shouldn.27t_edit_it_himself.27 Shouldn't edit it themself]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Oopsie_poopsie Oopsie poopsie]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Germing Germing]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Joneseyboy2007 Jonesy boy]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vandalwatcher Vandalwatcher]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=299791770#Jonathan_King_caught_POV-pushing_his_own_article Jk caught POV pushing his own article]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/jk1944/Archive Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/jk1944/Archive]
== Other pages ==
* [[Directory:The Wikipedia Point of View/The Encyclopedia of Homosexuality]]