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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The word ''intension'' has recently come to be stressed in our discussions.  As I first learned this word from my reading of Leibniz, I shall take it to be nothing more than a synonym for ''property'' or ''quality'', and shall probably always associate it with the primes factorization of integers, the analogy between having a factor and having a property being one of the most striking, at least to my neo-pythagorean compleated mystical sensitivities, that Leibniz ever posed, and of which certain facets of Peirce's work can be taken as a further polishing up, if one &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;is of &lt;/del&gt;a mind to do so.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The word ''intension'' has recently come to be stressed in our discussions.  As I first learned this word from my reading of Leibniz, I shall take it to be nothing more than a synonym for ''property'' or ''quality'', and shall probably always associate it with the primes factorization of integers, the analogy between having a factor and having a property being one of the most striking, at least to my neo-pythagorean compleated mystical sensitivities, that Leibniz ever posed, and of which certain facets of Peirce's work can be taken as a further polishing up, if one &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;has &lt;/ins&gt;a mind to do so.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Place for Discussion==&lt;br /&gt;
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'''&amp;amp;hellip;'''&lt;br /&gt;
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==Archival Material==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Early Version===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Let me illustrate what I think that a lot of our controversies&lt;br /&gt;
about nominalism versus realism actually boil down to in practice.&lt;br /&gt;
From a semiotic or a sign-theoretic point of view, it all begins&lt;br /&gt;
with a case of &amp;quot;plural reference&amp;quot;, which happens when a sign 's'&lt;br /&gt;
is quite literally taken to denote each object o&amp;lt;j&amp;gt; in a whole&lt;br /&gt;
collection of objects {o&amp;lt;1&amp;gt;, ..., o&amp;lt;k&amp;gt;, ...}, a situation that&lt;br /&gt;
I would normally represent in a sign-relational table like so:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
      Object     Sign     Interp&lt;br /&gt;
    o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o&lt;br /&gt;
        o1        's'       ...&lt;br /&gt;
        o2        's'       ...&lt;br /&gt;
        o3        's'       ...&lt;br /&gt;
    o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the moment, it does not matter what the interpretants are.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would like to diagram this somewhat after the following fashion,&lt;br /&gt;
here detailing just the denotative component of the sign relation,&lt;br /&gt;
that is, the 2-adic relation that is obtained by &amp;quot;projecting out&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
the Object and the Sign columns of the table.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
    o1 ------&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
              \&lt;br /&gt;
               \&lt;br /&gt;
    o2 ------&amp;gt;--@ 's'&lt;br /&gt;
               /&lt;br /&gt;
              /&lt;br /&gt;
    o3 ------&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would like to -- but my personal limitations in the&lt;br /&gt;
Art of ASCII Hieroglyphics do not permit me to maintain&lt;br /&gt;
this level of detail as the figures begin to ramify much&lt;br /&gt;
beyond this level of complexity.  Therefore, let me use&lt;br /&gt;
the following device to symbolize the same configuration:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
    o   o   o &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 's'&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Notice the subtle distinction between these two cases:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1.  A sign denotes each object in a set of objects.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2.  A sign denotes a set of objects.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first option uses the notion of a set in a casual,&lt;br /&gt;
informal, or metalinguistic way, and does not really&lt;br /&gt;
commit us to the existence of sets in any formal way.&lt;br /&gt;
This is the more razoresque choice, much less risky,&lt;br /&gt;
ontologically speaking, and so we may adopt it as&lt;br /&gt;
our starting position.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now, in this &amp;quot;plural denotative&amp;quot; component of the sign relation,&lt;br /&gt;
we are looking at what may be seen as a functional relationship,&lt;br /&gt;
in the sense that we ahve a piece of some function f : O -&amp;gt; S,&lt;br /&gt;
such that f(o1) = f(o2) = f(o3) = 's', for example.  Functions&lt;br /&gt;
always admit of factoring into an &amp;quot;onto&amp;quot; (no relation) map and&lt;br /&gt;
then a one-one map, as we discussed what seems like an age ago.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But where do the intermediate entities go?  We could lodge them&lt;br /&gt;
in a brand new space all their own, but Ockham the Innkeeper is&lt;br /&gt;
right up there with Old Procrustes when it comes to the amenity&lt;br /&gt;
of his accommodations, and so we feel compelled to at least try&lt;br /&gt;
shoving them into one or another of the spaces already reserved.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the rest of this discussion, let us give the name &amp;quot;i&amp;quot; to the&lt;br /&gt;
intermediate entity between the objects o&amp;lt;j&amp;gt; and the sign 's'.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now should you annex i to the object domain O, you will have&lt;br /&gt;
instantly given yourself away as having &amp;quot;Realist&amp;quot; tendencies,&lt;br /&gt;
and you might as well go ahead and call it an &amp;quot;intension&amp;quot; or&lt;br /&gt;
even an &amp;quot;Idea&amp;quot; of the grossly subtlest Platonic brand, since&lt;br /&gt;
you are about to booted from Ockham's Establishment, and you&lt;br /&gt;
may as well have the comforts of your Ideals in your exhile.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
        i&lt;br /&gt;
       /|\   *&lt;br /&gt;
      / | \       *&lt;br /&gt;
     /  |  \           *&lt;br /&gt;
    o   o   o &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;s&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But if you assimilate i to the realm of signs S, you will&lt;br /&gt;
be showing your inclination to remain within the straight&lt;br /&gt;
and narrow of &amp;quot;Conceptualist&amp;quot; or even &amp;quot;Nominalist&amp;quot; dogmas,&lt;br /&gt;
and you may read this &amp;quot;i&amp;quot; as standing for an intelligible&lt;br /&gt;
concept, or an &amp;quot;idea&amp;quot; of the safely decapitalized, mental&lt;br /&gt;
impression variety.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
    o   o   o &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;s&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
        .  .  .             |&lt;br /&gt;
             . . .          |&lt;br /&gt;
                  ...       |&lt;br /&gt;
                       .    |&lt;br /&gt;
                           &amp;quot;i&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Note on Intension===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The word ''intension'' has recently come to be stressed in our discussions.  As I first learned this word from my reading of Leibniz, I shall take it to be nothing more than a synonym for ''property'' or ''quality'', and shall probably always associate it with the primes factorization of integers, the analogy between having a factor and having a property being one of the most striking, at least to my neo-pythagorean compleated mystical sensitivities, that Leibniz ever posed, and of which certain facets of Peirce's work can be taken as a further polishing up, if one is of a mind to do so.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Previous Discussion===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
JW = Jim Willgoose&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Re: FAR 2.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/thread.html#2747&lt;br /&gt;
In: FAR.    http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002748.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
JW: What does &amp;quot;middle m&amp;quot; do? It appears to simplify the object domain.&lt;br /&gt;
    But to what end?  You could be a hardcore reductionist and allow full&lt;br /&gt;
    reality to source and middle (providing middle m has a role).  Gaining&lt;br /&gt;
    clarity doesn't compromise realism, even realism about sets (so long as&lt;br /&gt;
    they can be identified).  One can even be a Platonic nominalist (demanding&lt;br /&gt;
    that abstract objects be identified and individuated) and preserve a sense&lt;br /&gt;
    of realism by arguing that the identity and individuating character of an&lt;br /&gt;
    abstract object is independant of you, me etc.  This could be extended to&lt;br /&gt;
    possible uses for middle m that have not been discovered.  There are a lot&lt;br /&gt;
    of ways to hang on to ONE THING, champion reduction, and preserve realism.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I am here making use of a simple theorem from mathematical category theory,&lt;br /&gt;
the fact that any function can be factored into a surjective part followed&lt;br /&gt;
by an injective part, to provide the grounds for a compromise between some&lt;br /&gt;
ancient philosophical combatants.  Of course, the more reductionist among&lt;br /&gt;
those parties would no more warm up to the reality of functions than they&lt;br /&gt;
take kindly to the existence of those abstract objects we call &amp;quot;sets&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
but that is neither here nor there.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Another point of the exercise was to examine the waffle room that we often&lt;br /&gt;
find in regard to the &amp;quot;connotations&amp;quot; of signs, whether they are more like&lt;br /&gt;
interpretant signs or more like intensions considered as abstract objects.&lt;br /&gt;
I think that I have at least outlined a way that we can have our cake and&lt;br /&gt;
eat it too.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The rest of your statements are very puzzling to me.&lt;br /&gt;
I can only guess that you've never met any hardcore&lt;br /&gt;
reductionists, as they certainly don't tolerate the&lt;br /&gt;
existence of sets, considered as something over and&lt;br /&gt;
above their individual elements.  And I have no way&lt;br /&gt;
of conjuring up what a platonic nominalist might be.&lt;br /&gt;
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