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Ockham: /* We are no longer a club */

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We are no longer a club

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 * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ched_Davis Ched Davis] "While I was on IRC, a few weeks ago, I learned that Law = the undertow. To be frank, I didn't really give it much thought since "the undertow" had come and gone before I ever started here. I assumed that anyone was entitled to WP:CLEANSTART[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=317832913#Statement_by_Ched_Davis].
 * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jayron32 Jayron32] "You can go ahead and add me to the "parties" section of this case if you choose. I knew that Law was the undertow. I supported him in his RFA knowing that. I am not ashamed or embarassed by that. --Jayron32 05:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=317425028]
+* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iridescent Iridescent]
 The motion for their removal of administrator rights is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions&oldid=318091230#GlassCobra.2C_Jayron32_and_Jennavecia_desysopped here].

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 Shortly afterwards, Undertow rejoined Wikipedia as User Law in September 2008 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=newusers&user=Law&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=], making over five thousand edits by March 2009 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Law], nearly half of which were in mainspace, when he was proposed for adminship by 'GlassCobra'.
-Some time in August 2009, an anonymous IP outed Law on Law's talk page. The talk-page history shows that two edits were oversighted on August 16, the page protected, and the anon blocked [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AArbitration_Committee%2FNoticeboard&diff=317567253&oldid=317565517]. The implication is that someone used oversight to hide that Law had violated an ArbCom ban and had gained adminship by lying to the community, and that other admins blocked the whistleblower and protected the page against further revelations.
+Some time in August 2009, an anonymous IP outed Law on Law's talk page. The talk-page history shows that two edits were oversighted on August 16, the page protected, and the anon blocked [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AArbitration_Committee%2FNoticeboard&diff=317567253&oldid=317565517], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Audit_Subcommittee/Reports&oldid=318109833#Full_reports]. The implication is that someone used oversight to hide that Law had violated an ArbCom ban and had gained adminship by lying to the community, and that other admins blocked the whistleblower and protected the page against further revelations.
 On September 20 2009, Law unblocked user [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight ChildofMidnight ], overturning an arbitration enforcement block which had been placed by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sandstein Sandstein]. It is expressly forbidden to overturn ArbCom enforcement actions in that way. When challenged, Law was unapologetic. Somewhere around then, it was discovered that Law was a reincarnation of Undertow.

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 * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MZMcBride MZMcBride] who participated in defending Law here against a claim that he was acting like a cowboy administrator[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=299528562]
 * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ched_Davis Ched Davis] "While I was on IRC, a few weeks ago, I learned that Law = the undertow. To be frank, I didn't really give it much thought since "the undertow" had come and gone before I ever started here. I assumed that anyone was entitled to WP:CLEANSTART[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=317832913#Statement_by_Ched_Davis].
-* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jayron32 Jayron32]
+* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jayron32 Jayron32] "You can go ahead and add me to the "parties" section of this case if you choose. I knew that Law was the undertow. I supported him in his RFA knowing that. I am not ashamed or embarassed by that. --Jayron32 05:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=317425028]
 The motion for their removal of administrator rights is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions&oldid=318091230#GlassCobra.2C_Jayron32_and_Jennavecia_desysopped here].

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 * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ched_Davis Ched Davis] "While I was on IRC, a few weeks ago, I learned that Law = the undertow. To be frank, I didn't really give it much thought since "the undertow" had come and gone before I ever started here. I assumed that anyone was entitled to WP:CLEANSTART[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=317832913#Statement_by_Ched_Davis].
 * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jayron32 Jayron32]
 ==Community reaction==

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 * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MZMcBride MZMcBride] who participated in defending Law here against a claim that he was acting like a cowboy administrator[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=299528562]
 * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ched_Davis Ched Davis] "While I was on IRC, a few weeks ago, I learned that Law = the undertow. To be frank, I didn't really give it much thought since "the undertow" had come and gone before I ever started here. I assumed that anyone was entitled to WP:CLEANSTART[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=317832913#Statement_by_Ched_Davis].
 ==Community reaction==

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 Law began editing as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Undertow The_Undertow] in August 2006 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stewie_Griffin&diff=prev&oldid=71979754], mostly reverting vandalism[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&offset=20070131055234&target=The+undertow]. He was made an admin in July 2007 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/the_undertow], passing 49-1. Undertow was blocked by Raul654 on 16 June 2008 with an expiry time of 9 months ‎"Per discussion on the arbcom mailing list" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&user=&page=User:The+undertow&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=]
-The reason for the block was never made public, but an ex-member of the Arbitration committee has claimed that Undertow "threatened to (and possibly did) file a lawsuit against another editor, also starting a revenge biography on the person. He made various statements, then excused them as mental health issues. ArbCom decided, in essence, that Wikipedia was not therapy" [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=26748&view=findpost&p=197595], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive433#The_undertow_and_related_dispute].
+The reason for the block was never made public, but a member of the Arbitration committee has claimed that Undertow "threatened to (and possibly did) file a lawsuit against another editor, also starting a revenge biography on the person. He made various statements, then excused them as mental health issues. ArbCom decided, in essence, that Wikipedia was not therapy" [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=26748&view=findpost&p=197595], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive433#The_undertow_and_related_dispute].
 Shortly afterwards, Undertow rejoined Wikipedia as User Law in September 2008 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=newusers&user=Law&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=], making over five thousand edits by March 2009 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Law], nearly half of which were in mainspace, when he was proposed for adminship by 'GlassCobra'.

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 == We are no longer a club==
-We are no longer a club working on a private project. Whether or not we like it, we have in reality acquired a public responsibility for maintaining a resource important to the general public on an international level. In practice, becoming an arbitrator requires such a period of activity here that it is impossible to avoid having friendships and preferences within the community. A very few people can put these entirely to pone side in a cold-blooded fashion--most people cannot, and it is in any case questionable whether such people would have a sufficient understanding of human behavior to serve properly in the position. We might need at the highest level people who are independent of the community they will govern. Should we consider replacing arb com with a group either selected from people working only on other Wikipedias -- there are many responsible people there with a sufficient knowledge of English--or of obtaining funding to hire professionals. They may in each case have their biases but they won't have the personal feelings.
+"We are no longer a club working on a private project. Whether or not we like it, we have in reality acquired a public responsibility for maintaining a resource important to the general public on an international level. In practice, becoming an arbitrator requires such a period of activity here that it is impossible to avoid having friendships and preferences within the community. A very few people can put these entirely to pone side in a cold-blooded fashion--most people cannot, and it is in any case questionable whether such people would have a sufficient understanding of human behavior to serve properly in the position. We might need at the highest level people who are independent of the community they will govern. Should we consider replacing arb com with a group either selected from people working only on other Wikipedias -- there are many responsible people there with a sufficient knowledge of English--or of obtaining funding to hire professionals. They may in each case have their biases but they won't have the personal feelings.
-Short of this, the minimum is establishing technical barriers against the worst forms of abuse: as a first step, the work of an not just an arb but an admin is sufficiently sensitive to require positive identification of all sitting and future people in this position. The immediate preliminary need is requiring all members of arb com to disclose their knowledge of admins using undisclosed accounts, or any variant of this. DGG ( talk ) 18:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=317618445]
+"Short of this, the minimum is establishing technical barriers against the worst forms of abuse: as a first step, the work of an not just an arb but an admin is sufficiently sensitive to require positive identification of all sitting and future people in this position. The immediate preliminary need is requiring all members of arb com to disclose their knowledge of admins using undisclosed accounts, or any variant of this". DGG ( talk ) 18:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=317618445]
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	This was not helped by the apparent insouciance with which senior administrators regarded the event, saying that the Committee was 'just human', and criticising the outsiders as starting a 'witchhunt' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=317565517], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=317669075&oldid=317668431].		This was not helped by the apparent insouciance with which senior administrators regarded the event, saying that the Committee was 'just human', and criticising the outsiders as starting a 'witchhunt' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=317565517], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=317669075&oldid=317668431].
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		+	== We are no longer a club==
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		+	We are no longer a club working on a private project. Whether or not we like it, we have in reality acquired a public responsibility for maintaining a resource important to the general public on an international level. In practice, becoming an arbitrator requires such a period of activity here that it is impossible to avoid having friendships and preferences within the community. A very few people can put these entirely to pone side in a cold-blooded fashion--most people cannot, and it is in any case questionable whether such people would have a sufficient understanding of human behavior to serve properly in the position. We might need at the highest level people who are independent of the community they will govern. Should we consider replacing arb com with a group either selected from people working only on other Wikipedias -- there are many responsible people there with a sufficient knowledge of English--or of obtaining funding to hire professionals. They may in each case have their biases but they won't have the personal feelings.
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		+	Short of this, the minimum is establishing technical barriers against the worst forms of abuse: as a first step, the work of an not just an arb but an admin is sufficiently sensitive to require positive identification of all sitting and future people in this position. The immediate preliminary need is requiring all members of arb com to disclose their knowledge of admins using undisclosed accounts, or any variant of this. DGG ( talk ) 18:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=317618445]

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