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May 01 00:01:25 *	Guerillero (~hka555@wikipedia/Guerillero) has left #wikipedia-en
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May 01 00:08:39 <Withoutaname>	anyone familiar with a bit of javascript?
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May 01 00:18:12 <{Soap}>	i took courses in Javascript a few years ago
May 01 00:21:59 <Withoutaname>	I'm trying to encode dismissability into a template, like the sitenotice
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May 01 00:23:16 <Withoutaname>	I know that somehow, some fancy js file from my skin has to be included into a big red X in the template, then have it called like a MediaWiki-gadget
May 01 00:23:51 *	Dragonfly6-7 (~test@bas1-montreal48-1176431945.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 00:26:34 <Withoutaname>	can you maybe help?
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May 01 00:27:39 <{Soap}>	I doubt it
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May 01 00:28:04 <{Soap}>	I understand what youre asking, but for me to try to figure it out would just be a series of uneducated guesses
May 01 00:28:13 <{Soap}>	Sorry
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May 01 00:32:19 *	Jeske_Couriano smells like flowers and veggies
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May 01 00:37:05 <Douche>	i misread niggers
May 01 00:37:12 <Jeske_Couriano>	...
May 01 00:38:04 <Brian_S>	Douche: No you didn't.
May 01 00:38:12 <Douche>	lol
May 01 00:38:13 <Douche>	k
May 01 00:38:27 <Brian_S>	:P
May 01 00:38:29 <Douche>	:P
May 01 00:38:35 *	Brian_S slaps Douche with a Bori
May 01 00:38:40 <Jeske_Couriano>	YIP!
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May 01 00:39:02 *	Douche hugs briq
May 01 00:39:13 *	Douche huggles Brian_S 
May 01 00:39:15 *	Douche hugges sonia 
May 01 00:39:39 *	sonia snuggles Douche
May 01 00:39:43 <Gfoley4>	wtf. My laptop has started to make a vibrating song
May 01 00:39:44 <Gfoley4>	o:
May 01 00:40:01 <Gfoley4>	*sound
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May 01 00:40:16 <sonia>	Gfoley4: older computers, uh, do that all the time
May 01 00:40:33 <Gfoley4>	well this is 1 1/2 years old
May 01 00:40:36 <Gfoley4>	MacBook
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May 01 00:41:24 <Gfoley4>	damn, it is getting louder
May 01 00:41:32 <Gfoley4>	(more high pitched)
May 01 00:41:34 <Dragonfly6-7>	Gfoley4 - get compressed air
May 01 00:41:41 <Dragonfly6-7>	or possibly, deactivate the autodestruct function
May 01 00:41:45 *	Jeske_Couriano smells like plants
May 01 00:41:53 <Gfoley4>	yay, it stopped
May 01 00:42:02 <Douche>	Jeske_Couriano: Marijuana?
May 01 00:42:07 <Gfoley4>	Dragonfly6-7: you're trick worked ;)
May 01 00:42:10 <Gfoley4>	*your
May 01 00:42:23 <Jeske_Couriano>	Douche) I didn't know high school greenhouses grew pot.
May 01 00:42:37 <Gfoley4>	I did
May 01 00:42:42 <Jeske_Couriano>	No, I volunteered at Mariner's plant sale.
May 01 00:43:02 <Jeske_Couriano>	I just finished transplanting the flowers I swiped into bigger pots
May 01 00:43:05 <Douche>	my old high school has a forest in the back and we knew marijuana was growing in it.
May 01 00:43:13 <Gfoley4>	sigh
May 01 00:43:22 <Gfoley4>	Douche: <3
May 01 00:43:33 <Douche>	Gfoley4: <3
May 01 00:44:13 <Jeske_Couriano>	Mine has the fire department right next door
May 01 00:44:25 <Douche>	nice
May 01 00:44:42 <Douche>	mine had a car dealer.
May 01 00:45:31 <Douche>	that got demolished to have a upscale grocery chain over it.
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May 01 00:45:43 <Douche>	and a alcohol retailer in the back.
May 01 00:45:47 <Jeske_Couriano>	We're selling four cultivars of coleus this year and two of salvia, too, so, tbh, who the fuck needs weed?
May 01 00:45:56 <Jeske_Couriano>	Coleus and salvia are legal highs.
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May 01 00:46:18 *	Jeske_Couriano wags his tail
May 01 00:46:25 <barts1a>	what did I walk into?
May 01 00:46:38 <Jeske_Couriano>	barts1a) Talking about high school horticulture club plant sales
May 01 00:48:06 <Douche>	and marijuana.
May 01 00:48:30 <barts1a>	isn't there a #drugs channel for this?
May 01 00:48:42 <sonia>	yeah, it's full of cops
May 01 00:49:00 <Dcoetzee>	barts1a: They merged it with this channel, since Wikipedia is the Greatest Drug.
May 01 00:49:21 <barts1a>	in that case they could be tracing your IP address right now
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May 01 00:50:27 <Douche>	or behind cloaks
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May 01 00:51:20 <barts1a>	I think that they can easily see past them
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May 01 00:51:57 <Douche>	:P
May 01 00:52:03 <sonia>	barts1a is right
May 01 00:52:11 <Douche>	:o
May 01 00:52:28 <Douche>	my package has landed in montreal
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May 01 00:56:49 <geniice>	Libya disabled children school hit in NATO strike
May 01 00:57:00 <geniice>	http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73T0AG20110430
May 01 00:57:16 *	HuckFinn (~HuckFinn@58.165.168.241) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 00:57:42 <geniice>	The force of the blast blew in windows and doors in the parent-funded school for children with Down's Syndrome and officials said it damaged an orphanage on the floor above.
May 01 00:57:53 <geniice>	I'm sceptial
May 01 00:57:57 <geniice>	sceptical
May 01 00:59:28 <barts1a>	It IS Returs... Quite a reliable source...
May 01 00:59:58 <geniice>	yes but they have no real way to verify the function of the building
May 01 01:00:19 <barts1a>	true
May 01 01:00:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	still could have happened
May 01 01:00:50 <Shirik>	Like I know this is funding my job and all
May 01 01:00:58 <barts1a>	A mound of rubble was all that remained of one wing of the main building that adjoined the school, though an antenna of some kind protruded from the ruins.
May 01 01:00:58 <barts1a>	Both Mehdi and Seddigh said they had assumed that the antenna on the building was there to strengthen mobile phone signals and were not aware of any other use.
May 01 01:00:59 <Shirik>	but I still don't understand why we're in Libya in the first place
May 01 01:00:59 <barts1a>	In the rubble of the main building, a shredding machine packed with sliced up documents lay on its side. A fax and phone were nearby and shelves of files could be seen
May 01 01:01:10 <Gfoley4>	woah, flood
May 01 01:01:22 <barts1a>	direct quote from the 2nd page
May 01 01:03:56 <geniice>	Shirik I suspect the theory was that if we could take out gaddafi quickly other arab leaders wouldn't dare use force against Arab spring protesters. It hasn't worked.
May 01 01:04:22 <Shirik>	and we didn't learn that lesson 8 years ago with bin laden
May 01 01:04:34 <Douche>	anyways
May 01 01:04:40 <Douche>	peace
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May 01 01:04:47 <Shirik>	or even iraq for that matter
May 01 01:05:01 <Shirik>	there is no such thing as "quick liberation"
May 01 01:05:35 <geniice>	Shirik sierra leone and ivory coast
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May 01 01:06:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	Shirik - [[The Liberation of Earth]]
May 01 01:06:19 <geniice>	and the US can change the govement in Haiti pretty quickly whenever it becomes difficult to ignore
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May 01 01:06:45 <Shirik>	Dragonfly6-7: Interesting. I may have to check that out.
May 01 01:06:49 <Shirik>	never heard of it
May 01 01:06:54 <Dragonfly6-7>	a classic story
May 01 01:07:05 <Shirik>	geniice: The problem is we don't have this kind of money
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May 01 01:07:50 <geniice>	Shirik On paper the war looked like it could be won quickly. Local proxies for the ground fighting and gaddifi had a weak but conventional army that could be smashed from the air. Easy
May 01 01:08:04 <Shirik>	Dude
May 01 01:08:11 <Shirik>	We said that in world war II
May 01 01:08:15 <geniice>	unfortunately the rebels turned out to be one of the most useless fighting forces in world history
May 01 01:08:42 <geniice>	Shirik err no one said that in WW2
May 01 01:08:42 <Shirik>	maybe it was WW1
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May 01 01:08:42 <Shirik>	but someone said "the entire war can be won by air" in one of them
May 01 01:08:48 <Shirik>	I thought it was 2
May 01 01:08:53 <Shirik>	It's like one of the ONLY things I learned from my world history class
May 01 01:08:54 <geniice>	that was strategic bombing
May 01 01:09:10 <geniice>	libya is tactical bombing. Different concept.
May 01 01:09:27 <geniice>	and it can be done
May 01 01:09:47 <geniice>	the northern alliance destroyed the Taliban as a conventional force with US air support.
May 01 01:10:16 <geniice>	french air support has kept the Chadian government in power
May 01 01:10:41 <Shirik>	Well anyway, let's see. We're cutting social security taxes. Pay no attention to the fact that last year social security ran its first deficit. We're reforming health care. We're spending money on these wars that we get nothing out of. All the while our national debt is skyrocketing.
May 01 01:11:00 *	Brian_S hugs Shirik.
May 01 01:11:24 <Shirik>	I mean for my entire life I've been a democrat but I'm really starting to rethink my position
May 01 01:11:37 <geniice>	as wars go the Libyan adventure is pretty cheap. Or at least it should have been if the rebels could fight
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May 01 01:12:20 <Shirik>	The only good thing I see coming out of this so far is that wars are a really good way to pay for my paycheck :P but still that can't be said for the overwhelming majority of the US
May 01 01:12:27 <geniice>	one division of french ground forces and the war could be over very quickly
May 01 01:13:05 <Shirik>	the french have forces?
May 01 01:13:08 <Shirik>	Kidding, kidding!
May 01 01:13:20 <geniice>	sure they just decided the winning side in ivory coast
May 01 01:13:29 <Dragonfly6-7>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wikis_Take_Manhattan_by_Naked_Pictures_of_Bea_Arthur
May 01 01:13:53 <geniice>	Dragonfly6-7 a deadpool fan I see
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May 01 01:17:10 <geniice>	Shirik the french are generally pretty good at this kind of war. they don't have people like Susan Rice making up transparently false stories about Viagra equipped rape squads.
May 01 01:17:16 <{Soap}>	it was proven false?
May 01 01:18:16 <geniice>	{Soap} US millitry thinks there is no evidence of it http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42824884/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa
May 01 01:18:17 <Dragonfly6-7>	yes
May 01 01:18:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	they used Cilais
May 01 01:18:22 <Dragonfly6-7>	cialis
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May 01 01:39:07 <Demiurge1000>	Peter-C: I need music. Make yourself useful, recommend some *good* music.
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May 01 01:40:25 <Dcoetzee>	Demiurge1000: You're asking Peter for music recommendations? Good luck with that :-P
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May 01 01:41:06 <Demiurge1000>	Dcoetzee: I'm an optimist :)
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May 01 01:48:18 <Lubaf>	Did the UK government release any bad news yesterday so it'd get buried in wedding updates?
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May 01 01:53:27 <Demiurge1000>	Not sure, I think it got buried in wedding updates
May 01 01:54:44 <Dragonfly6-7>	Lubaf - on the other hand, Obama managed to bury a Bernanke disaster by releasing his birth certificate
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May 01 01:59:37 <Sven_Manguard>	hi all
May 01 01:59:40 <Logan_>	hey Sven
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May 01 02:33:58 <Sven_Manguard>	bye all
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May 01 02:34:14 <Sunderland06>	Bye.
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May 01 02:37:13 <Headbomb>	geniice: I find it pretty hard to believe that Lybia has a "Down's Syndrome Society"
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May 01 02:37:29 <geniice>	actualy thats quite possible
May 01 02:37:48 <Headbomb>	possible, sure, likely, ... that's another thing
May 01 02:38:07 <geniice>	remember the place is swimming in oil money and there is a reasonable size upper middle class
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May 01 02:38:30 <geniice>	you will find a bunch of them at UK unis which may have some interesting fallout
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May 01 02:40:08 <Headbomb>	googling ""Down's Syndrome Society" -NATO +Libya" gives 3 hits
May 01 02:40:34 <Headbomb>	granted, this is an English searh
May 01 02:40:35 <Headbomb>	search
May 01 02:40:45 <Headbomb>	and Lybia's main language isn't english
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May 01 02:40:52 <geniice>	they are not in any case the most web connected society
May 01 02:41:28 <Headbomb>	this however, http://www.lydsa.org/, might be a good candidate
May 01 02:41:36 <Headbomb>	Lydian Down Syndrome Associatoin
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May 01 02:42:34 <Headbomb>	translating into English doesn't mention the strike however
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May 01 02:51:37 <Peter-C>	WTF is that
May 01 02:51:38 <Peter-C>	WTF
May 01 02:51:44 <Peter-C>	It's like ewwy
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May 01 02:51:56 <Sam_Gold>	:&
May 01 02:52:52 *	la_pianista pokes Peter-C's brain
May 01 02:52:53 <la_pianista>	WTF
May 01 02:52:55 <la_pianista>	WTF is that
May 01 02:52:55 <Sam_Gold>	heh ":&" looks like this
May 01 02:52:58 <Sam_Gold>	http://www.thrashirc.com/phpbb3/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=7&image_id=181
May 01 02:53:00 <la_pianista>	it's like empty
May 01 02:53:09 <Sam_Gold>	on my screen ;)
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May 01 02:53:21 <Peter-C>	OMG PORN
May 01 02:53:27 <Peter-C>	>:O
May 01 02:53:46 *	Peter-C is drinking shampoo and eating his brains
May 01 02:53:48 <Peter-C>	:D
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May 01 02:59:34 <Logan_>	Crimedog: that person at DRV is starting to piss me off
May 01 03:00:02 <LauraHale>	DRV?
May 01 03:00:03 <Crimedog>	But he's an "expert" :)
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May 01 03:02:02 <Logan_>	hehe
May 01 03:02:07 <Logan_>	Crimedog: just commented
May 01 03:02:37 <Logan_>	this is my first DRV :P
May 01 03:02:43 <Logan_>	and it was a NAC, of all things
May 01 03:03:09 <LauraHale>	What is DRV?  and NAC?
May 01 03:03:43 <Logan_>	LauraHale: DRV is a place to discuss previous deletions/other actions at deletion discussions and possibly overturn them, and NAC is a non-administrator closure of a deletion discussion
May 01 03:03:52 <Logan_>	http://enwp.org/WP:DRV and http://enwp.org/WP:NAC
May 01 03:04:13 *	LauraHale nod nods
May 01 03:04:33 <Logan_>	Crimedog: I was going to put "omai" as the edit summary, but I thought that would be too obvious :P\
May 01 03:04:43 <Crimedog>	I used to be (in)famous for NACs but I dont do them any more
May 01 03:04:53 <Logan_>	...since you're not a non-admin anymore? :P
May 01 03:05:09 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Could somebody please go to:
May 01 03:05:09 <Anna_Frodesiak>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitamarhi_district
May 01 03:05:13 *	Jeske_Couriano returns from dinner
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May 01 03:05:30 <Anna_Frodesiak>	and tell me if it's just my browser or are the village and blocks columns not formatting?
May 01 03:05:31 <Logan_>	that's like saying, "I used to do badly on my third-grade spelling quizzes, but I don't do them anymore."
May 01 03:05:34 <Logan_>	...no kidding :P
May 01 03:05:35 <LauraHale>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&curid=11424955&diff=426818127&oldid=426817991 <-- That whole string is a bit fraught with misinformation regarding PhD dissertations.
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May 01 03:06:04 <Sunderland06>	Anna_Frodesiak: I dunno, thats a long way away and I don't have the cash.
May 01 03:06:04 <Sunderland06>	Sorry.
May 01 03:06:12 *	Sunderland06 chuckles.
May 01 03:06:24 <Anna_Frodesiak>	oh, you're a card
May 01 03:06:24 <Anna_Frodesiak>	a ham
May 01 03:06:24 <Anna_Frodesiak>	:)
May 01 03:06:40 <Crimedog>	Logan_: This is what my user page looked like before november, look at the userboxes
May 01 03:06:40 <Crimedog>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ron_Ritzman&oldid=399014371
May 01 03:06:53 <Logan_>	hahaha
May 01 03:06:57 <Anna_Frodesiak>	:)
May 01 03:06:59 <Logan_>	"non-non-admin closures"
May 01 03:07:14 <Logan_>	if I ever become a sysop, that'll be in my userboxes :P
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May 01 03:07:36 <Gfoley4>	…
May 01 03:07:41 <Crimedog>	I changed the NAC userbox shortly after my RFA to see if anybody failed to read it and reverted it
May 01 03:07:48 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Also,
May 01 03:07:48 <Anna_Frodesiak>	{{div col|cols=3}}
May 01 03:07:48 <Anna_Frodesiak>	{{div col end}}
May 01 03:07:50 *	Logan_ throws a whale at Gfoley4 
May 01 03:08:02 <Anna_Frodesiak>	I understand that doesn't appear right on on-chrome
May 01 03:08:10 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Like just one long col. Is this true?
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May 01 03:10:13 <Gfoley4>	thing is Logan, you'll never become a sysop with content contribs
May 01 03:10:22 <Logan_>	nou
May 01 03:10:52 <Logan_>	what if I say that I'm illiterate?
May 01 03:10:57 <Logan_>	wait, no, that wouldn't help me
May 01 03:11:04 <Logan_>	damn
May 01 03:11:12 <Gfoley4>	User:Gfoley4/Articles ;)
May 01 03:11:15 <Logan_>	what if I become un-lazy and actually write an article?
May 01 03:11:18 <Logan_>	that's a concept
May 01 03:11:46 <Gfoley4>	if you write one, I'll pick it apart piece by piece :D
May 01 03:11:56 <Logan_>	hey, I was the first "Support" vote on your RfA
May 01 03:12:00 <Logan_>	so you should be nice to me :P
May 01 03:12:13 <Gfoley4>	nah
May 01 03:12:13 <Gfoley4>	;0-
May 01 03:12:20 <Logan_>	and gneiss
May 01 03:12:23 <Logan_>	well, less gneiss than nice
May 01 03:12:30 <Logan_>	but don't throw gneiss at me, because that's not nice
May 01 03:12:39 <Logan_>	I don't even know what I'm saying
May 01 03:12:47 <Gfoley4>	?
May 01 03:13:06 <Logan_>	http://enwp.org/Gneiss
May 01 03:13:10 <Logan_>	it's pronounced the same as "nice"
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May 01 03:14:15 <Logan_>	"The geologist said that gneiss is nice, but that we shouldn't take it for granite." lmao
May 01 03:14:24 <Logan_>	love geology jokes
May 01 03:15:38 *	Jeske_Couriano prefers Gnisis
May 01 03:15:48 <Logan_>	that's nice-ish
May 01 03:16:18 <Logan_>	Delta: main page fail, again
May 01 03:16:29 <Gfoley4>	hm?
May 01 03:16:40 <Delta>	Logan_: ??
May 01 03:16:41 <Logan_>	image is unprotected
May 01 03:16:42 <Gfoley4>	ooo, Millineum Park is featured :D
May 01 03:16:51 <Gfoley4>	Logan_: no
May 01 03:16:57 <Gfoley4>	you wanna bet?
May 01 03:17:20 <Delta>	Logan_: linky?
May 01 03:17:21 <Logan_>	sure
May 01 03:17:26 <Logan_>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_royal_family_on_the_balcony.jpg
May 01 03:17:48 <Gfoley4>	that's not on the MP
May 01 03:17:51 <Logan_>	yes it is
May 01 03:18:01 <Gfoley4>	no, it's just linked to it
May 01 03:18:09 <Gfoley4>	with |link=...
May 01 03:18:23 <Gfoley4>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_royal_family_on_the_balcony_cropped.jpg is on the MP
May 01 03:18:24 <Logan_>	and it's on the page
May 01 03:18:27 <Logan_>	oh
May 01 03:18:38 *	Logan_ pays up
May 01 03:18:40 <Gfoley4>	*treated*
May 01 03:19:06 <Gfoley4>	furthermore, the MP is cascaded anyways
May 01 03:19:09 <Delta>	Logan_: I was gonna say, normally BCBot
May 01 03:19:19 <Gfoley4>	as is commons
May 01 03:19:29 <Delta>	Logan_: I was gonna say, normally BCBot4 is screaming if there is an unprotected file
May 01 03:19:55 <Logan_>	mmhm
May 01 03:20:10 <Logan_>	wait, you have bots again?
May 01 03:20:10 <Logan_>	oh, on IRC
May 01 03:20:50 <Delta>	Logan_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%CE%94bot
May 01 03:21:00 <Logan_>	ah, okay
May 01 03:21:31 *	Delta checks logs
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May 01 03:24:11 <Delta>	Logan_: the last breach was [2011-04-21 00:00:11] Found [[File:GroteWerfMarkenNederland.jpg]] None
May 01 03:24:24 <Logan_>	cool
May 01 03:24:47 <Gfoley4>	!link
May 01 03:24:50 <Delta>	and before that [2011-04-12 02:00:02] Found [[File:Gagarin in Sweden.jpg]] autoconfirmed
May 01 03:24:52 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: fail
May 01 03:25:10 <Gfoley4>	oh, I though this was accounts
May 01 03:25:19 <Delta>	the first was up for less than 5 minutes and the second for less than 15
May 01 03:25:20 <Logan_>	fail x2
May 01 03:26:26 <Delta>	Logan_: my eyes in the sky miss very little
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May 01 03:30:26 <Logan_>	Crimedog: so many discussion at AFDO...
May 01 03:30:28 <Logan_>	*discussions
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May 01 03:44:25 <ThrewOutTheWs>	You know there are a lotta images with words seen in them. Well, when I search for phrases containing those words, why doesn't it pull up those images?
May 01 03:44:46 <Gfoley4>	File: ?
May 01 03:44:51 <Dragonfly6-7>	'cause we're a work in progress
May 01 03:45:02 <Dragonfly6-7>	we'll get to that eventually
May 01 03:45:12 <ThrewOutTheWs>	Gfoley4: any file
May 01 03:45:20 <Dragonfly6-7>	currently our OCR software sucks, and we have to add those words by hand
May 01 03:45:22 <Dragonfly6-7>	good enough?
May 01 03:45:42 <Logan_>	ThrewOutTheWs: Are you talking about actual words in the pictures or words in the file descriptions?
May 01 03:45:53 <ThrewOutTheWs>	actual words in pictures, Logan_
May 01 03:46:02 <ThrewOutTheWs>	It doesn't happen on our search, not even on Google (and prolly bing)
May 01 03:46:09 <Logan_>	Yeah, that ain't gonna happen any time soon.
May 01 03:46:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	like, say, a picture of a stop sign
May 01 03:46:14 <Dcoetzee>	No, no search engine is currently capable of that.
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May 01 03:46:26 <Dcoetzee>	Except, arguable, Google Books.
May 01 03:46:30 <Dcoetzee>	*arguably
May 01 03:46:37 <Dragonfly6-7>	currently our OCR software sucks, and we have to add those words by hand
May 01 03:46:56 <Dcoetzee>	Many (most?) of our images are too low-resolution for modern OCR.
May 01 03:47:15 <Dcoetzee>	Also, open-source OCR sucks because there is no open source corpus of data for training it.
May 01 03:47:47 <Dcoetzee>	Long story short, it's a really hard problem :-P
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May 01 03:48:08 <ThrewOutTheWs>	"corpus"
May 01 03:48:34 <ThrewOutTheWs>	So hopefully in 10 years, that kind of search will be feasible?
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May 01 03:49:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	ThrewOutTheWs - we have no way of knowing.
May 01 03:49:12 <Dcoetzee>	If we're lucky.
May 01 03:49:18 <Dcoetzee>	It'll take a lot of work from a lot of people.
May 01 03:49:27 <Dcoetzee>	And a lot of generosity.
May 01 03:49:34 <Gfoley4>	WP might not be around in 10 years
May 01 03:49:44 <ThrewOutTheWs>	Dcoetzee: I thought it would scan all images, not require hand-done work like you describe.
May 01 03:49:53 <ThrewOutTheWs>	Gfoley4: Bandwidth follows moore's law, right?
May 01 03:49:59 <Dcoetzee>	ThrewOutTheWs: I'm not talking about hand done work.
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May 01 03:50:08 <Logan_>	ffs
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May 01 03:50:29 <Dcoetzee>	ThrewOutTheWs: I'm talking about the work of developing new OCR algorithms suitable for low resolution images, of constructing an open licensed training corpus large enough to train the statistical models required, etc. etc.
May 01 03:50:29 <ThrewOutTheWs>	Gfoley4: I know WP has to cost a lot to run,  but hopefully bandwidth keeps getting cheaper...
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May 01 03:50:39 <Gfoley4>	hmm, maybe
May 01 03:50:44 <ThrewOutTheWs>	whoa, ok Dcoetzee
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May 01 03:51:04 <Dcoetzee>	ThrewOutTheWs: It's a very difficult problem to solve :-P
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May 01 03:51:33 <ThrewOutTheWs>	well i hope when computers get more intelligent (see [[SAI]]) then they'll help us solve it.
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May 01 03:52:09 <Dcoetzee>	That is... an even harder problem. :-)
May 01 03:52:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	come the Singularity, you will all eat strawberries and cream
May 01 03:52:13 *	GorillaWarfare (~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 03:52:47 <ThrewOutTheWs>	[[IBM Watson]] indicates it's just around the corner.
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May 01 03:54:41 <MuZemike>	The best hand job in the Bronx: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/026ccf7d-6f4a-4fdd-a4c0-e8ab7f757a9e.jpg
May 01 03:55:33 <Dragonfly6-7>	MuZemike - you think that was a mistake?
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May 01 03:57:18 <topaz>	well, *someone* did.
May 01 03:57:20 <topaz>	but I agree with you.
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May 01 03:59:11 <ThrewOutTheWs>	Dragonfly6-7: and thanks to being able to figure out how to reverse the shortening of the (age-causing) telomeres, we'll be whatever age we want again.
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May 01 04:00:52 <ThrewOutTheWs>	Dragonfly6-7: Yeah, it'd be cool of the singularity made me 10 again. Life was so cool back then.
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May 01 04:01:00 <Meepsheep>	lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Autobiography_of_Malcolm_X
May 01 04:01:20 <Meepsheep>	^not me
May 01 04:01:53 <Tatsujin>	http://www.andrewnormanwilson.com/portfolios/70411-workers-leaving-the-googleplex
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May 01 04:09:18 <topaz>	interesting... I opened an ARV popup to request a block on that IP that performed the Malcolm X edit, and the "vandalism-only account" is greyed out.
May 01 04:09:44 <Meepsheep>	whoever made that edit is win
May 01 04:10:13 <topaz>	...
May 01 04:10:20 <Brian_S>	It was obviously you.
May 01 04:10:29 <Meepsheep>	It was not me, I am a template vandal
May 01 04:10:45 <Meepsheep>	Someone just gave me a link to it in ED irc
May 01 04:11:22 <Gfoley4>	topaz: because it is an ip
May 01 04:11:32 <topaz>	oh, huh. ok.
May 01 04:11:50 <topaz>	seems to me there could totally be vandalism-only IPs, but I get the point. :-)
May 01 04:13:02 <Gfoley4>	ip change, etc.
May 01 04:13:05 <Gfoley4>	s
May 01 04:13:05 <Meepsheep>	I love how they call it "hacking" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Apparent_hacking
May 01 04:15:09 <topaz>	Meepsheep: thanks for pointing that out.  what else have you been up to?
May 01 04:15:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D0%9A2.jpg - does anyone understand what this is?
May 01 04:15:44 <Meepsheep>	topaz, just template vandalism, did some on simple english today. it lasted about 50 minutes so that was a win
May 01 04:16:36 <topaz>	Dragonfly6-7: "phosphoric cow" sez Google Translate.
May 01 04:16:54 <topaz>	(I know, not useful)
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May 01 04:17:13 *	slakr has kicked Meepsheep from #wikipedia-en (this isn't a lounge for vandals)
May 01 04:17:22 <topaz>	thanks slak.
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May 01 04:17:58 <Gfoley4>	r
May 01 04:18:28 <slakr>	hmm
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May 01 04:19:17 <Gfoley4>	better check your wikiversity page slakr ;)
May 01 04:19:27 *	slakr doesn't care about his wikiversity page
May 01 04:19:38 <Gfoley4>	;p
May 01 04:19:54 <slakr>	in all reality I don't even care about my user page
May 01 04:19:57 <slakr>	lol
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May 01 04:23:09 <Dcoetzee>	slakr: Slacker
May 01 04:23:20 <slakr>	Dcoetzee:
May 01 04:23:29 <slakr>	... to be filled in later.
May 01 04:23:30 <Dcoetzee>	;-)
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May 01 04:29:05 <topaz>	aha, new Doctor Who torrent is up.
May 01 04:30:08 <slakr>	it's been up for hours :P
May 01 04:30:30 <wctaiwan>	piracy!
May 01 04:30:40 <slakr>	fairly satisfying conclusion, too... but I hate two-parters
May 01 04:30:56 <slakr>	wctaiwan: how else are we supposed to watch it in the states? :P
May 01 04:30:57 <wctaiwan>	no comment :P
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May 01 04:31:35 <Dcoetzee>	Woo, ep 25 of My Little Pony is up too :-)
May 01 04:31:36 <slakr>	thank god I was able to see Skins from the UK long before the US-version/bastardization hit here.
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May 01 04:33:50 <topaz>	slakr: it should have occurred to me that it wasn't actually being simulcast in the UK and the US.
May 01 04:34:50 <topaz>	touch embarrassing, that.
May 01 04:35:04 <slakr>	you might be able to get it, at some point, in the US on BBC-US
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May 01 04:35:11 <slakr>	if your cable provider carries it
May 01 04:35:17 <topaz>	or if you have cable TV.
May 01 04:35:21 <slakr>	right
May 01 04:35:25 <slakr>	but as far as getting it aired
May 01 04:35:37 <slakr>	no, no broadcast network airs it.
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May 01 04:38:28 <topaz>	BBC America is simulcasting Doctor Who this season, IIRC.
May 01 04:38:35 <Gfoley4>	wb AntiSpamMeta
May 01 04:39:28 <closedmouth>	slakr: the so-called "US-version" was a full-on canadian production with canadian actors and everything
May 01 04:39:46 <slakr>	...except the writing.
May 01 04:40:02 <slakr>	the magic of Skins UK was in the *exceptional* actors and *exceptional* writing.
May 01 04:40:09 <killiondude>	I didn't like either version.
May 01 04:40:11 <closedmouth>	yeah, the "we're going to canada" episode was awkward
May 01 04:40:18 <slakr>	idiotic.
May 01 04:40:26 <slakr>	*russia* you're going to *russia*.
May 01 04:40:44 <slakr>	and there were supposed to be guys giving each other head, I might add
May 01 04:41:02 <slakr>	but nooo, we had to replace the dancer gay guy with a cheerleader lesbian
May 01 04:41:33 <slakr>	...because americans can't handle gay stuff, apparently.
May 01 04:41:37 <slakr>	gay guy*
May 01 04:42:00 <closedmouth>	it could have been good, it was originally gonna be shot and set in baltimore
May 01 04:42:05 <closedmouth>	that would have been interesting
May 01 04:43:25 <slakr>	imo, if they really wanted to make it good, they'd have simply followed the same formula as the UK version, but not the same plot necessarily. Write it for the US; use a boatload of prodigy amateurs coupled with a few pros.
May 01 04:44:11 <closedmouth>	yeah
May 01 04:44:28 <slakr>	but TV convention in the US goes with a a tiny group (or simply pair) of writers
May 01 04:44:34 *	NA_0 is now known as NA_0|away
May 01 04:44:51 *	slakr shrugs
May 01 04:44:53 <slakr>	anyyyyway....
May 01 04:45:30 <Herodotus>	Donald Trump needs to stop worrying about China and force Canada to stop its protectionist policies that result in so many US film industry jobs to go up North. :-)
May 01 04:45:48 <Herodotus>	Well, either result in so many going up or cause so many to go up.
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May 01 04:46:53 <killiondude>	hi
May 01 04:47:00 <slakr>	well, when you're face with the prospect of your child getting sick and not being able to afford to take him to a doctor, the options start to become either free healthcare or quick-money-somehow.
May 01 04:47:01 <Herodotus>	Hello.
May 01 04:47:06 <slakr>	faced*
May 01 04:47:16 <MuZemike>	Or perhaps Trump should stop demanding Obama's proof of residence.
May 01 04:47:51 <Herodotus>	Health care laws and those mandating a certain percentage of all radio play be Celine Dion have nothing to do with one another.
May 01 04:47:58 <closedmouth>	> Rumors have longed swirled about the nature of Donald Trump's hair and whether or not it was real or a toupee.  It has recently been described as a "double comb-over".  Donald Trump has never produced a birth certificate for his hair or addressed the controversy swirling around it.
May 01 04:48:06 <slakr>	Herodotus: my bad... read that wrong
May 01 04:48:49 <slakr>	and they go up there because it's cheaper to shoot up there
May 01 04:49:08 <killiondude>	shoot everything
May 01 04:49:49 <Herodotus>	Perhaps, but the made in Canada laws do affect it too. And let's face it, those are the jobs people actually want! Who wants to manufacture iPhones for a living? Really, come on.
May 01 04:49:52 <slakr>	plus the people are nicer hehe
May 01 04:50:12 <slakr>	the chinese do
May 01 04:50:19 <slakr>	:P
May 01 04:50:30 <slakr>	at least, that's what the sticker said. :P
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May 01 04:51:15 <Herodotus>	Anyway, yes, hello.
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May 01 05:03:51 <killiondude>	Sue them in a court of law in Trenton, NJ.
May 01 05:04:13 <closedmouth>	done
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May 01 05:23:04 <Mike_H>	Myra: Hello, my pretty.
May 01 05:23:07 *	Mike_H kisses Myra.
May 01 05:23:16 <Myra>	:o
May 01 05:23:19 *	Myra smooches Mike_H.
May 01 05:23:21 <Myra>	ltns
May 01 05:23:35 <Mike_H>	you're just not in my channels, darling
May 01 05:23:47 <Myra>	Gay.
May 01 05:23:51 <Mike_H>	ikr
May 01 05:24:43 <Mike_H>	Myra: omg they are going to have crazy fetish shows on Nat Geo
May 01 05:24:54 <Mike_H>	one of the shows is going to be able people who get off on dressing like babies
May 01 05:25:04 <Mike_H>	*going to show people
May 01 05:25:12 <Myra>	Ew.
May 01 05:25:29 <Mike_H>	And then another show is going to be about people who fall in love with inanimate objects.
May 01 05:25:38 <Mike_H>	This one guy actually described how he felt the first time he kissed....a car.
May 01 05:25:44 <closedmouth>	hey man, it's a legitimate lifestyle choice
May 01 05:26:06 <killiondude>	people have been marrying their houses for years.
May 01 05:26:30 <closedmouth>	and their cousins
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May 01 05:26:47 <Mike_H>	closedmouth, killiondude: speaking of people who kiss their cars
May 01 05:26:48 <Mike_H>	http://garfield.nfshost.com/1988/10/01/
May 01 05:27:19 <closedmouth>	garfish
May 01 05:27:43 <Myra>	garfieldwithoutgarfield
May 01 05:27:54 <closedmouth>	hipster
May 01 05:28:44 <closedmouth>	byeeeeeeeeee
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May 01 05:36:28 <topaz>	that garfield site looks terrifying.
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May 01 06:41:33 <Logan_>	GorillaWarfare: you protected it :(
May 01 06:41:42 <GorillaWarfare>	Why :(?
May 01 06:42:15 <GorillaWarfare>	Also, accidentally full protected instead of semi-protected, fixing now
May 01 06:42:27 <Logan_>	it's a 4chan thread, I was reverting and warning everyone instead of semi-protection so that admins could just block all of the IPs :P
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May 01 06:43:02 <GorillaWarfare>	Can we just outright block for vandalism like that?
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May 01 07:17:09 <Addihockey10>	Anybody know a really good public domain image bank???
May 01 07:17:17 <Addihockey10>	(other than commons ;))
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May 01 07:18:20 <sonia>	..flickr?
May 01 07:20:34 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Photo_archives
May 01 07:20:41 <killiondude>	A photo archive is a collection of photographic images, either as physical media or as a digital archive. They may be either public or private, and commercial, open-source or closed.
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May 01 07:59:11 <sonia>	LauraHale :)
May 01 07:59:20 <LauraHale>	sonia! :)
May 01 07:59:31 <LauraHale>	It is raining and windy in Paihia
May 01 07:59:45 <sonia>	Paihia <3
May 01 08:00:01 <sonia>	I spend two weeks up in Paihia every year
May 01 08:00:04 <sonia>	not around this time, though, heh
May 01 08:00:11 <LauraHale>	Not much here.
May 01 08:00:13 <sonia>	you happened to choose the rainstorm time to go up north? :P
May 01 08:00:27 <LauraHale>	I blame Auckland for that.
May 01 08:00:41 <sonia>	heh.
May 01 08:00:41 <LauraHale>	But still, better Paihia than 2 more nights in Auckland
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May 01 08:00:52 <sonia>	Matakohe, if you head that way, has some brilliant food
May 01 08:00:52 <LauraHale>	Going back to Auckland tomorrow for one night, then back to Oz. :D
May 01 08:01:22 *	LauraHale has no car
May 01 08:01:32 <LauraHale>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Racepacket That opened and pretty quiet.
May 01 08:01:47 *	sonia has been watching
May 01 08:02:29 <LauraHale>	It seems to me like something should have happened by now.
May 01 08:02:33 <LauraHale>	But nothing.
May 01 08:02:46 <LauraHale>	Am I expected to offer a solution?
May 01 08:02:59 <sonia>	no, I don't think so
May 01 08:03:14 <sonia>	the arbs are there to, er, arbitrate? :p
May 01 08:04:27 *	sonia is slightly amused by http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sonia&diff=prev&oldid=426850816
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May 01 08:05:23 <sonia>	LauraHale: how'd you get up to Paihia sans car?
May 01 08:05:35 <LauraHale>	sonia: Intercity bus.
May 01 08:05:39 <sonia>	ah, okay.
May 01 08:05:43 *	sonia wondered
May 01 08:05:55 <LauraHale>	That's a wonderful unsigned comment. :)
May 01 08:05:58 <sonia>	I've never taken one of those; very fond of road-tripping around Northland though
May 01 08:06:18 <LauraHale>	Lots of people up here appear to be doing that.  They also appear to have money.
May 01 08:06:18 <sonia>	do they stop at/ pass through places like Mangawhai?
May 01 08:06:33 <LauraHale>	Not really.  They just pick people up and drop them off.
May 01 08:06:40 <sonia>	nah, backpacking on a shoestring budget and sleeping in the car is the best way to do it imo
May 01 08:06:45 <sonia>	re having money
May 01 08:07:16 <LauraHale>	shoestring stuff falls into :(
May 01 08:07:21 <sonia>	although a little bit of expendable income for a slightly pricey meal or two is a good luxury
May 01 08:08:08 <LauraHale>	It feels like a lot of meals are pricey here. :/
May 01 08:08:23 <Mike_H>	there are only girls talking in the channel
May 01 08:08:26 <Mike_H>	is this backwards day?
May 01 08:08:40 <LauraHale>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AfC  None of those articles have alt text for the images. :(
May 01 08:08:50 <LauraHale>	Backwards evening.
May 01 08:09:02 <LauraHale>	What do the little images mean?
May 01 08:09:08 <sonia>	Mike_H: there are only girls in New Zealand talking int he channel
May 01 08:09:14 <sonia>	hm?
May 01 08:09:15 <sonia>	AfC?
May 01 08:09:19 <Mike_H>	sonia: And New Zealand
May 01 08:09:22 <Mike_H>	backwards day again
May 01 08:09:28 <sonia>	yes :P
May 01 08:09:30 <Mike_H>	I don't even know of any Wikipedians from New Zealand
May 01 08:09:33 <Mike_H>	male or female :P
May 01 08:09:48 <sonia>	LauraHale: the small images show the class of the article; stub/start/c/b/a/whatever
May 01 08:10:15 <sonia>	Mike_H: now you do :)
May 01 08:10:26 <LauraHale>	sonia: Anyway to get alt text on all those images?
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May 01 08:10:26 <sonia>	I'm checking it out.
May 01 08:10:34 <sonia>	can't believe, given I use a screen reader sometimes myself, I didn't see that
May 01 08:10:35 *	TBloemink is from New Zealand, but lives in the Netherlands :)
May 01 08:10:46 *	sonia huggles TBloemink
May 01 08:10:53 *	LauraHale is a Wikipedian from the USA currently living in Australia and a member of WM-AU hoping to help kick start a Kiwi chapter.
May 01 08:11:32 <Mike_H>	I'm an American.
May 01 08:11:32 <Mike_H>	Living in America.
May 01 08:11:32 *	sonia is a Wikipedian from Singapore currently living in NZ and hoping to be part of said Kiwi chapter.
May 01 08:12:47 <sonia>	LauraHale: it's pulling from {{classicon}}, which doesn't have alt; I'll see what I can do
May 01 08:13:16 <LauraHale>	sonia: Adding alt text would be awesome. :)  Because even on a hover over it, I 'm not getting the image name. :(
May 01 08:13:46 <sonia>	might be useful for more than one reason :p
May 01 08:14:07 <sonia>	for the meantime, LauraHale, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Classicon
May 01 08:14:29 <LauraHale>	Blind people with screen readers. :D
May 01 08:14:49 <LauraHale>	As opposed to sighted people who want to easily find out what the icon means as she's never seen some of these before
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May 01 08:16:56 <sonia>	LauraHale: can't, it's full-protected, will mess around a bit later
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May 01 08:17:37 <LauraHale>	sonia: If I found a pending submission that appears to meet all the criteria in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pending_AfC_submissions can I pass it?
May 01 08:20:32 <sonia>	sure.
May 01 08:20:41 <sonia>	we love new reviewers
May 01 08:20:50 <sonia>	and it's a fantastic way to learn the ropes of notability etc.
May 01 08:20:59 <LauraHale>	How I pass one?
May 01 08:21:04 <sonia>	I've done AfC since I was a newb myself
May 01 08:21:06 <sonia>	hmm
May 01 08:21:22 <sonia>	I use the script. Do you have anything in your vector.js/ common.js?
May 01 08:21:38 <LauraHale>	No.  I just would like to pass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Caryl_Rivers#External_links
May 01 08:21:42 <LauraHale>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Caryl_Rivers
May 01 08:22:56 <LauraHale>	O
May 01 08:23:04 <LauraHale>	I found directions
May 01 08:23:06 <sonia>	if you go to http://enwp.org/User:LauraHale/common.js and add importScript('User:Timotheus Canens/afchelper4.js');  it'll make it a two-click process :P
May 01 08:24:13 <MuZemike>	Heh, Super Pitfall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJEXpsDB2XQ
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May 01 08:24:38 *	MuZemike played Super Pitfall as a kid; beat it too.
May 01 08:26:48 <Timotheus_Canens>	*yawns*
May 01 08:27:24 <TBloemink>	nice tool Timotheus
May 01 08:27:39 *	sonia gives Timotheus_Canens a cookie
May 01 08:27:50 *	MuZemike blocks TBloemink for calling Timotheus Canens a tool
May 01 08:27:51 *	TBloemink stea..
May 01 08:27:57 <TBloemink>	no I am not going to steal the cookie
May 01 08:28:21 *	Timotheus_Canens om nom noms
May 01 08:28:21 <sonia>	said tool has saved a lot of reviewers hours and hours
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May 01 08:29:34 <TBloemink>	:) got another support for my GR request on meta
May 01 08:29:44 <TBloemink>	now lets hope a steward closes it soon
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May 01 08:29:57 *	MuZemike was kidding, BTW
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May 01 08:37:41 *	LauraHale steals sonia's cookies
May 01 08:37:51 <LauraHale>	It is just too hard to keep the cookies I stole from Hedgehog456
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May 01 08:38:43 <Hedgehog456>	that was a quick dinner
May 01 08:39:03 <Hedgehog456>	sonia: that was a quick dinner
May 01 08:39:15 <sonia>	heh
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May 01 08:57:42 *	sonia steals potato chips
May 01 08:57:55 <LauraHale>	It is what every well healed poor American backpacker in Paihia is having tonight if they are not going to a pub.
May 01 08:58:39 <sonia>	pubs in Paihia... haven't actually tried them
May 01 08:58:55 <LauraHale>	My hostel room mates apparently went to one
May 01 08:59:41 <sonia>	how was it?
May 01 08:59:48 <sonia>	I can't imagine that Paihia pubs are hugely interesting
May 01 09:03:48 <LauraHale>	No idea
May 01 09:03:51 <LauraHale>	They are still out.
May 01 09:03:57 *	LauraHale has no interest to go to pubs
May 01 09:04:15 <sonia>	there is decent gelato at the gelato place
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May 01 09:08:11 <LauraHale>	Lots of bad food. :(
May 01 09:08:12 <LauraHale>	Is the Asian food (indian, chinese, thai, malaysian) as bad as I think it is in New Zealand?  Because on the whole, it seems awful.
May 01 09:08:12 <LauraHale>	And Paihia seems like a place for Aussies as they do messed up fucked up Aussie pizzas.
May 01 09:10:17 <sonia>	heh.
May 01 09:10:34 <sonia>	there are some excellent Asian restaurants in Auckland; generally these are tucked out in the suburbs
May 01 09:11:16 <sonia>	I don't know about elsewhere; I tend to go for local produce when on road trips
May 01 09:11:35 <Withoutaname>	anyone have cake and falafel?
May 01 09:11:40 <sonia>	the cake is a lie.
May 01 09:12:14 <Withoutaname>	if it is, then who are you?
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May 01 09:13:12 *	sonia is... sonia
May 01 09:13:17 <sonia>	:P
May 01 09:13:40 *	LauraHale steals cake
May 01 09:13:45 <Withoutaname>	that's a lie
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May 01 09:18:25 <Headbomb|Laptop>	stealer of lies?
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May 01 10:11:32 <sonia>	any sysops?
May 01 10:11:34 *	sonia nudges Brian_S
May 01 10:13:54 <Hedgehog456>	I'm back
May 01 10:14:03 <Hedgehog456>	Who pinged me?
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May 01 10:40:29 <Qcoder00>	Morning
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May 01 10:46:56 <Theo10011>	Morning.
May 01 10:47:12 *	sonia waves.
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May 01 10:51:39 <ENGenki>	Ok, I looked for [[slimmest tv]] but nothing relevant came up. Where shall I look?
May 01 10:51:54 <closedmouth>	what's that
May 01 10:52:06 <ENGenki>	The thinnest tv in the world, closedmouth
May 01 10:52:16 <closedmouth>	oh
May 01 10:52:27 <closedmouth>	it's not a TV showing about slimming?
May 01 10:53:08 <ENGenki>	No, I'm looking for an article about the TV with the thinnest width. The thinnest in 2009 was 6.9 mm. I'd like to know how much thinner it is now.
May 01 10:53:23 <closedmouth>	we don't generally have semantic redirects like that
May 01 10:53:35 <ENGenki>	Ok, well where must I look then?
May 01 10:53:35 <closedmouth>	that would be something you would google
May 01 10:53:46 <ENGenki>	I tried; it's not giving me what I'm looking for either.
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May 01 10:54:33 <closedmouth>	google thinnest tv
May 01 10:54:41 <closedmouth>	http://www.tomshardware.com/news/OLED-TV-3DTV-Slim-TVs-HDTV-OLED,11935.html
May 01 10:56:36 <Theo10011>	that's OLED.
May 01 10:56:42 <Theo10011>	2.9MM
May 01 10:57:12 <Theo10011>	not available at retail.
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May 01 10:57:35 <Theo10011>	I still see 6.9MM as the slimmest in production.
May 01 11:00:03 <ENGenki>	Well, I don't know how you did it better than I already did, closedmouth
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May 01 11:00:14 <ENGenki>	2.9mm, and new as of March. Impressive.
May 01 11:00:34 <ENGenki>	If Moore's Law applied to TV thinness, how thin would it be by 2020?
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May 01 11:50:22 <HedgehogDev>	Testing my new code :P
May 01 11:50:45 <HedgehogDev>	;P
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May 01 11:52:38 <HedgehogDev>	I'm back
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May 01 11:53:30 <HedgehogDev>	Quite a long quit message :P
May 01 11:53:52 <HedgehogDev>	Alright
May 01 11:53:53 <HedgehogDev>	Checking usability: check
May 01 11:54:03 <HedgehogDev>	Checking loveliness: no
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May 01 12:26:12 <Peter-C>	Any admins around?
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May 01 12:27:00 *	Hedgehog456 calls a crat to make Peter-C an admin
May 01 12:27:42 <Peter-C>	:D
May 01 12:28:14 <Hedgehog456>	Is it an emergency?
May 01 12:28:26 <Peter-C>	Naw
May 01 12:28:39 <Hedgehog456>	Ah well
May 01 12:28:52 <Hedgehog456>	!cæðmin
May 01 12:29:50 <Peter-C>	Acording to the internet I am 57 O_o
May 01 12:31:48 *	Peter-C lick Hedgehog456
May 01 12:32:20 <Hedgehog456>	I have discovered a way of disposing of kitchen waste (vegetable peelings etc)
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May 01 12:32:51 <Peter-C>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Igel.JPG WTF is that
May 01 12:32:54 <Hedgehog456>	Giving them to my dog
May 01 12:33:08 <Peter-C>	What a cool idea!
May 01 12:33:19 *	Peter-C feeds dead hedgehogs to Hedgehog456's dog
May 01 12:33:23 <Hedgehog456>	My brother's great aunt's father's sister's son's nephew's sister's mother!
May 01 12:33:25 <Peter-C>	Good boy :D
May 01 12:33:30 <Hedgehog456>	She
May 01 12:33:41 <Peter-C>	ALL DOGS ARE GUYS
May 01 12:33:42 <Peter-C>	STFU
May 01 12:33:47 <Hedgehog456>	SHE'S A SHE
May 01 12:33:55 <Hedgehog456>	YOU CAN TELL BY LOOKING
May 01 12:34:05 <Peter-C>	O_O
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May 01 12:36:01 <DSHope>	Anyone there?
May 01 12:36:03 <Peter-C>	NO
May 01 12:36:05 <Hedgehog456>	No
May 01 12:36:05 <Peter-C>	LEAVE US
May 01 12:36:16 <Peter-C>	BEGONE DEAMON!
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May 01 12:36:28 <Peter-C>	:P
May 01 12:36:52 <DontBeADiqq>	Ok, I can't find a world record anywhere for "most dating sites signed up." Help?
May 01 12:37:09 <Hedgehog456>	Are you that same person from before....?
May 01 12:37:23 <DontBeADiqq>	If no one has attempted that record, I should be the first one once I finish college, but will abandon the attempt once I find the love of my life.
May 01 12:37:42 <DontBeADiqq>	Hedgehog456: What person?
May 01 12:37:59 <Hedgehog456>	The person who wanted to set that same world record
May 01 12:38:14 <DontBeADiqq>	Wow, cool, so I have a competitor! How long ago was he in here?
May 01 12:38:59 <Hedgehog456>	3 days
May 01 12:39:01 <barts1a>	I think I just set the world record for highest-velocity facepalm
May 01 12:39:31 <DontBeADiqq>	barts1a: Did you use a speed gun to measure?
May 01 12:39:36 <DontBeADiqq>	Hedgehog456: His username?
May 01 12:39:48 <Hedgehog456>	I've no idea
May 01 12:39:49 <barts1a>	no. I measured by how much it BLOODY HURT!
May 01 12:40:20 <DontBeADiqq>	barts1a: Since you didn't use even so much as a vid camera to record it, you'll have to do it again if you're going to have something to prove to guinness world records.
May 01 12:40:33 <barts1a>	dammit...
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May 01 12:43:08 <Hedgehog456>	-NickServ- Nicks      : Hedgehog456 Hedgehog456_ Hedgy|Desktop Hedgy|Away Hedgy456 TheGrimReaperNS HedgeSock456
May 01 12:43:09 <Hedgehog456>	-NickServ- Nicks      : Hedgebot456 HedgyPlay Puppeh Hedgehog Hedgy|plotting Herisson456 Hedgefool456 Hedgy|awesome
May 01 12:43:09 <Hedgehog456>	-NickServ- Nicks      : HedgeStalk Seaspar Mup
May 01 12:43:10 <Hedgehog456>	oops
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May 01 12:43:17 <Hedgehog456>	too many nicks
May 01 12:43:17 <Hedgehog456>	:P
May 01 12:43:24 <Hedgehog456>	I must try and cleanse them
May 01 12:44:04 <DontBeADiqq>	Cleanse them as fast as you run, Sonic. And don't forget to avoid the FRIED onion rings. (They slow you down by packing on weight.)
May 01 12:44:34 <Hedgehog456>	I'm not Sonic!
May 01 12:44:53 <barts1a>	Not every hedgehog is Sonic
May 01 12:45:03 <DontBeADiqq>	just a tease nick, chillout.
May 01 12:45:22 <Hedgehog456>	I'm a random hedgehog.
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May 01 13:26:13 <Qcoder00>	I've found a template bug
May 01 13:26:37 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Misuse_Act_1990#UK_Legislation doesn't display properly
May 01 13:26:45 <Qcoder00>	Despite the template params not being wrong
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May 01 13:28:19 <Thehelpfulone>	Qcoder00: refresh?
May 01 13:28:27 <Qcoder00>	I did
May 01 13:28:30 <Qcoder00>	several times
May 01 13:28:35 <Thehelpfulone>	Qcoder00: refresh *now*
May 01 13:28:42 <Thehelpfulone>	I fixed it :D
May 01 13:29:04 <Qcoder00>	Hmm
May 01 13:29:16 <Thehelpfulone>	did it work?
May 01 13:29:39 <Qcoder00>	Yep
May 01 13:29:43 <Thehelpfulone>	Qcoder00: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Computer_Misuse_Act_1990&action=purge
May 01 13:29:54 <Thehelpfulone>	purge the server cache next time, and things seem to get fixed :D
May 01 13:30:46 *	Qcoder00 lols at a bad joke one of his geek friends told him about 'involuntary purging a server cache' XD _
May 01 13:32:16 <Qcoder00>	Due to a virius of all things....
May 01 13:32:24 <wctaiwan>	mmm virius
May 01 13:32:26 *	Qcoder00 waits for the channel to work it out
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May 01 13:45:02 <Despatche>	are phrases like "exceedingly popular" really necessary
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May 01 13:48:41 <Dentist[1]>	Free IRC Bouncers! irc://irc.bitsjointirc.net:6667/ZNC
May 01 13:48:43 <Dentist[1]>	Free IRC Bouncers! irc://irc.bitsjointirc.net:6667/ZNC
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May 01 14:04:14 <TBloemink>	killed by idoru
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May 01 15:47:07 <Qcoder00>	Evening
May 01 15:47:15 <Qcoder00>	Well Afternoon actually
May 01 15:47:17 <Qcoder00>	;)
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May 01 15:59:28 <geniice>	perhaps
May 01 15:59:57 <geniice>	honestly. educed to citing the miller test in a deletion reason it's not good
May 01 16:00:51 <foks|vaek>	!helper Bit of an argument developing in #wikipedia-en-help if you'll like to quell it?
May 01 16:01:24 <foks|vaek>	Relating to Wikipedia's policies on OR and Pedia Press
May 01 16:01:40 <foks|vaek>	Right, biketime
May 01 16:01:42 <foks|vaek>	o/
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May 01 16:01:48 <topaz>	I think Ocaasi's got that well in hand
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May 01 16:38:12 <Gfoley4>	yay, another DYK
May 01 16:42:33 <Gfoley4>	WTF? New green preview menu?
May 01 16:43:05 <Gfoley4>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Previewnote&diff=426894502&oldid=243310670 :|
May 01 16:44:46 <closedmouth>	it's ugly as sin
May 01 16:44:50 <Gfoley4>	^
May 01 16:45:06 <Gfoley4>	way too big
May 01 16:45:15 <Gfoley4>	the red one was doing just fine
May 01 16:45:48 <Gfoley4>	I wonder if I can hide it...
May 01 16:46:11 <Prodego>	sure, but you can also go participate in the discussion over it's design. I just did what was asked.
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May 01 16:56:44 *	Gfoley4 opposes 
May 01 16:58:07 <MuZemike>	Too many administrators currently.
May 01 16:58:58 <Gfoley4>	;p
May 01 16:59:32 <Gfoley4>	MuZemike: I'm talking about the new preview note http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Previewnote
May 01 16:59:47 <MuZemike>	Oh, the thing that's also on fr.wiki?
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May 01 17:00:58 <Gfoley4>	yeah
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May 01 17:01:19 <MuZemike>	idk. If it wasn't as wordy, I'd support it.
May 01 17:02:09 <MuZemike>	In fact, I might "weak support" it if they get rid of that first bullet point.
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May 01 17:13:55 <Harmonia_Amanda>	hello, I inform you that {{u|Laurifindil}} = Edward Kloczko : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Kloczko
May 01 17:14:13 <Harmonia_Amanda>	sorry for my bad english
May 01 17:15:21 <Harmonia_Amanda>	hello ?
May 01 17:15:25 <Prodego>	hi
May 01 17:15:45 <Harmonia_Amanda>	sorry, I'm French :)
May 01 17:15:48 <Prodego>	how do you know, out of curiosity?
May 01 17:16:27 <Harmonia_Amanda>	it's his pseudonym in the net
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May 01 17:17:39 <Prodego>	I see. If you want to nominate the article for deletion you can do that
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May 01 17:18:49 <Harmonia_Amanda>	sorry, I do not know the procedure on enWiki
May 01 17:19:48 <Harmonia_Amanda>	I juste inform :)
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May 01 17:24:14 <Harmonia_Amanda>	Prodego: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Middle-earth#.22neo-language.22
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May 01 17:24:59 <Harmonia_Amanda>	The link is made between the user and the person in this conversation
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May 01 17:25:42 <Harmonia_Amanda>	I don't know if the autobiography is strictly forbidden?
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May 01 17:27:44 <Prodego>	Harmonia_Amanda: not strictly, but they do tend to be problematic
May 01 17:30:00 <Harmonia_Amanda>	ok
May 01 17:30:56 <Dragonfly6-7>	what 'they' ?
May 01 17:32:09 <Harmonia_Amanda>	sorry, I don't understand this question ?
May 01 17:33:21 <Dragonfly6-7>	Prodego said "they do tend to be problematic"
May 01 17:33:26 <Dragonfly6-7>	to which "they" is he referring?
May 01 17:33:31 <Prodego>	autobiographies
May 01 17:33:38 <Prodego>	<Harmonia_Amanda> hello, I inform you that {{u|Laurifindil}} = Edward Kloczko : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Kloczko
May 01 17:33:47 <Prodego>	if you want to do something, go for it
May 01 17:36:28 <Harmonia_Amanda>	I speak very bad english, and I ignore the rules of your wikipedia on the autobiography :)
May 01 17:37:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	Harmonia_Amanda - what is your first language?
May 01 17:37:25 <Harmonia_Amanda>	french
May 01 17:37:34 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah, ok. Compris.
May 01 17:37:44 <Harmonia_Amanda>	do you speak french ?
May 01 17:38:03 <Dragonfly6-7>	alors, tu nous disais qu'un utilisateur a soumis son autobiographie a Wikipedia dans la forme d'un article?
May 01 17:38:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	c'est-y ca?
May 01 17:38:10 <Harmonia_Amanda>	oui
May 01 17:38:22 <Harmonia_Amanda>	Laurifindil = Edouard Kloczko
May 01 17:38:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	Harmonia_Amanda - non, desolé, je ne parle pas un mot. Vous etes en train d'halluciner.
May 01 17:38:33 <Harmonia_Amanda>	:D
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May 01 17:38:44 <Thehelpfulone>	por favor, hablas en ingles! :P
May 01 17:38:50 <Harmonia_Amanda>	sorry
May 01 17:39:02 <Gfoley4>	</spanish>
May 01 17:39:06 <Thehelpfulone>	Gfoley4: :D
May 01 17:39:13 <Gfoley4>	:D
May 01 17:39:23 <Harmonia_Amanda>	I think that it is necessary to watch the neutrality of this article
May 01 17:40:07 <Prodego>	Thehelpfulone: why?
May 01 17:40:11 <Harmonia_Amanda>	because, he is... euh... not very neutral
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May 01 17:41:23 <Harmonia_Amanda>	thank you :)
May 01 17:42:07 <foks|vaek>	[[WP:COI]]
May 01 17:42:13 <foks|vaek>	Or, [[WP:COIN]]
May 01 17:42:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	Harmonia_Amanda - attends minute
May 01 17:42:22 <Dragonfly6-7>	Harmonia_Amanda - comment sais-tu que L = EK ?
May 01 17:42:24 <foks|vaek>	http://enwp.org/WP:COIN
May 01 17:42:46 <Dragonfly6-7>	Harmonia_Amanda - expliquez-moi, s'il-te-plait
May 01 17:42:48 <Harmonia_Amanda>	Dragonfly6-7:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Middle-earth#.22neo-language.22
May 01 17:43:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	(et oui, je sais que j'suis en train de melanger 'tu' et 'vous', j'l'fais par expres)
May 01 17:43:27 *	foks|vaek speaks approximately zero French.
May 01 17:43:30 <Dragonfly6-7>	Hm
May 01 17:43:40 <Dragonfly6-7>	Vous avez raison.
May 01 17:43:44 <Harmonia_Amanda>	Dragonfly6-7: it is his pseudonym
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May 01 17:43:52 <Harmonia_Amanda>	not only in this wikipedia
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May 01 17:44:00 *	petan speaks 0^2 French :P
May 01 17:44:10 <Harmonia_Amanda>	I know the french world of Tolkien fandom
May 01 17:44:12 <Thehelpfulone>	Prodego: I think that's been said before?
May 01 17:44:18 <Thehelpfulone>	I don't mind actually :)
May 01 17:44:36 <Prodego>	french is fine
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May 01 17:44:51 <Harmonia_Amanda>	Prodego: :)
May 01 17:45:06 <Thehelpfulone>	I understand french too, so I don't have a problem ;)
May 01 17:45:22 <petan>	I understand google :) so neither I
May 01 17:45:34 <Harmonia_Amanda>	thanks :p
May 01 17:45:50 <Thehelpfulone>	petan: heh, do you know a second language?
May 01 17:45:55 <Thehelpfulone>	other than wikicode :P
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May 01 17:46:12 <Harmonia_Amanda>	it's cool, wikicode
May 01 17:46:20 <petan>	Harmonia_Amanda: vous êtes les bienvenus, Thehelpfulone: yes guess which :P
May 01 17:46:36 <petan>	not only c++...
May 01 17:47:07 <Thehelpfulone>	petan: Je ne peux pas! ;)
May 01 17:47:13 <petan>	Je m'excuse pour mon mauvais français google: D
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May 01 17:47:28 <Harmonia_Amanda>	petan: I understand ;)
May 01 17:47:52 <Harmonia_Amanda>	sorry for my bad english (but without google translate :p)
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May 01 17:49:08 <petan>	Thehelpfulone: sure that I know some second language XD it's funny you didn't realize it yet
May 01 17:49:19 <petan>	but thanks
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May 01 17:50:16 <Thehelpfulone>	petan: no, I did - I just kept with your act :D
May 01 17:50:25 <petan>	ah :)
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May 01 17:51:45 <petan>	I just realized that google even talk...
May 01 17:51:53 <petan>	so I could you use it on travels heh
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May 01 17:53:13 <petan>	s/you// :P
May 01 17:53:47 <Thehelpfulone>	heh
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May 01 18:02:47 <MuZemike>	May Day! May Day! May Day!
May 01 18:03:14 <MuZemike>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYUe0_WeY2A
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May 01 18:03:53 <Mike5>	<Mike5> "Libyan officials report that Saif al-Arab al-Gaddafi, the youngest son of Muammar Gaddafi, was killed in a NATO airstrike in Tripoli."
May 01 18:03:53 <Mike5>	<Mike5> he's not the youngest but the second-youngest
May 01 18:03:53 <Mike5>	<Mike5> could an admin correct this?
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May 01 18:05:07 <Mike5>	at least, that's what our articles say..
May 01 18:09:46 <geniice>	looking at the BBC no one is quite sure
May 01 18:11:15 <geniice>	removed the claim
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May 01 18:51:37 <Peter-C>	I <333 Carrier! :D
May 01 18:54:02 <Gfoley4>	?
May 01 18:54:51 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh, this is nice. [[File:Characters.png]]
May 01 18:55:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	for a very specific meaning of "nice"
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May 01 18:58:13 <LauraHale>	It is a beautiful morning in Paihia.
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May 01 18:58:28 <LauraHale>	Occassional gale force winds blowing through.  Lots and lots of rain.  Sun not up yet.
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May 01 19:02:25 <MuZemike>	http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/f3b61805-abc5-4826-8b78-28455ab4ebbd.jpg
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May 01 19:04:26 <LauraHale>	That's an awesome headline.  It isn't a fail.
May 01 19:04:33 <LauraHale>	It is A+ writing. :D
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May 01 19:08:10 <petan>	:)
May 01 19:08:13 <petan>	hehe
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May 01 19:09:40 <LauraHale>	:)
May 01 19:10:30 <KimiNewt>	Evening
May 01 19:10:33 <KimiNewt>	or.. night
May 01 19:10:43 <TBloemink>	evening here in CEST
May 01 19:10:52 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to eir
May 01 19:10:52 <KimiNewt>	night here in UTC+3
May 01 19:10:53 *	eir removes ban on *!*@92.61.189.2
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May 01 19:11:20 <TBloemink>	who controls eir?
May 01 19:11:41 <TBloemink>	self-opping bot, neat
May 01 19:12:02 <Theo10011>	Hello
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May 01 19:12:19 <LauraHale>	6:12am in NEw Zealand.
May 01 19:12:30 <Gfoley4>	1:12pm Illinois
May 01 19:12:47 *	LauraHale huggles Illinois
May 01 19:12:49 <LauraHale>	How I miss you.
May 01 19:12:58 <LauraHale>	\and your donuts, pizza and sport and cheap clothing.
May 01 19:13:02 <Gfoley4>	:D
May 01 19:13:30 <LauraHale>	I've adapted to the steak.
May 01 19:14:13 <Hedgehog456>	Damn you PHP.
May 01 19:14:29 <Hedgehog456>	Damn you Unity GUI.
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May 01 19:16:32 <Jeske_Couriano>	11:16 here
May 01 19:17:07 <Gfoley4>	http://www.flickr.com/photos/84263554@N00/5189970455/ :)
May 01 19:17:39 <LauraHale>	Jeske_Couriano: lunch time?
May 01 19:17:45 <Jeske_Couriano>	Nope.
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May 01 19:18:15 <Jeske_Couriano>	Watch-Mariners-Fail time
May 01 19:18:40 <LauraHale>	Ah
May 01 19:18:45 <LauraHale>	bbiab
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May 01 19:32:26 <IdleSeven>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   IdleSeven Theo10011 CKtravel___ CKtravel__ Doh5678 KimiNewt Andrevan Zamorak Quentinv57 Jeske_Couriano Mikemoral YouLeMacaroni Ironholds Monty845 ffya prometheus1809 Pesky AzaToth Mike5 Peter-C Doug|afk MC8 Dragonfly6-7 Hero
May 01 19:32:26 <IdleSeven>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   Qcoder00 wikifiend SonicAD Ottre Cobi Hedgehog456 Olipro guillom AntiSpamMeta Crimedog ScottSteiner enhydra kidcamaro kibble Headbomb|Laptop FT2 NedDreamaduc Tatsujin mattbuck Headbomb kunwon1 Mitchazenia Timotheus_Canens we
May 01 19:32:26 <IdleSeven>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   issyl0 mareklug caracol svip mquin Simon- oona TrbleClef Loki Hamlin heinrich5991 thedj Gigs mrmist IShadowed FastLizard4|zZzZ HarryS isforinsects nb hurr MichealH Pilif12p Martinp23 PeanutHorst Dave2 Krimpet tomaw seanw Jma
May 01 19:32:26 <IdleSeven>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   idoru
May 01 19:32:29 <Ironholds>	this channel bores me
May 01 19:32:32 <Jeske_Couriano>	!op
May 01 19:32:35 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to SpitfireWP
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May 01 19:32:37 <Andrevan>	wow
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May 01 19:32:45 <IdleThirtySeven>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   IdleThirtySeven Theo10011 CKtravel___ CKtravel__ Doh5678 KimiNewt Andrevan Zamorak Quentinv57 Jeske_Couriano Mikemoral YouLeMacaroni Ironholds Monty845 ffya prometheus1809 Pesky AzaToth Mike5 Peter-C Doug|afk MC8 Dra
May 01 19:32:46 <IdleThirtySeven>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   gde33 Qcoder00 wikifiend SonicAD Ottre Cobi Hedgehog456 Olipro guillom AntiSpamMeta Crimedog ScottSteiner enhydra kidcamaro kibble Headbomb|Laptop FT2 NedDreamaduc Tatsujin mattbuck Headbomb kunwon1 Mitchazenia Timot
May 01 19:32:46 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to SpitfireWP
May 01 19:32:46 <IdleThirtySeven>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   topaz alyxuk issyl0 mareklug caracol svip mquin Simon- oona TrbleClef Loki Hamlin heinrich5991 thedj Gigs mrmist IShadowed FastLizard4|zZzZ HarryS isforinsects nb hurr MichealH Pilif12p Martinp23 PeanutHorst Dave2 Kr
May 01 19:32:46 <IdleThirtySeven>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   jeremyb wimt slakr
May 01 19:32:47 <Jeske_Couriano>	!op
May 01 19:32:49 *	SpitfireWP sets ban on *!*@189.88.160.153
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May 01 19:32:51 <Jeske_Couriano>	Add +r
May 01 19:32:53 <Ironholds>	do gay black jews who work as devs get special dispensation?
May 01 19:32:59 <Andrevan>	yeah
May 01 19:33:04 <MC8>	Jeske_Couriano: "please"
May 01 19:33:06 <Ironholds>	sorta like a two-for-one deal?
May 01 19:33:10 <Myra>	Sometimes it's difficult to tell what in here is vandal-noise and what is just regular noise.
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May 01 19:33:12 <Theo10011>	!op
May 01 19:33:13 <IdleTwentyTwo>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   IdleTwentyTwo Theo10011 CKtravel___ CKtravel__ Doh5678 KimiNewt Andrevan Zamorak Quentinv57 Jeske_Couriano Mikemoral YouLeMacaroni Ironholds Monty845 ffya prometheus1809 Pesky AzaToth Mike5 Peter-C Doug|afk MC8 Dragonf
May 01 19:33:13 <IdleTwentyTwo>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   gde33 Qcoder00 wikifiend SonicAD Ottre Cobi Hedgehog456 Olipro guillom AntiSpamMeta Crimedog ScottSteiner enhydra kidcamaro kibble Headbomb|Laptop FT2 NedDreamaduc Tatsujin mattbuck Headbomb kunwon1 Mitchazenia Timothe
May 01 19:33:13 <IdleTwentyTwo>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   topaz alyxuk issyl0 mareklug caracol svip mquin Simon- oona TrbleClef Loki Hamlin heinrich5991 thedj Gigs mrmist IShadowed FastLizard4|zZzZ HarryS isforinsects nb hurr MichealH Pilif12p Martinp23 PeanutHorst Dave2 Krim
May 01 19:33:13 <IdleTwentyTwo>	IDLEONE HERE!  IF YOU DIED  TODAY DO  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END  UP?  NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS  AND FREENODE  STAFF  ARE ALL GOING  TO BURN IN  HELL.. IF YOU ARE  ONE OF  THESE  YOU NEED  TO ASK  JESUS CHRIST FOR  FORGIVENESS.   petan @ChanServ idoru
May 01 19:33:15 *	SpitfireWP sets ban on *!*@202.65.117.194
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May 01 19:33:16 <Jeske_Couriano>	MC8) Self-evident at this point
May 01 19:33:16 <heinrich5991>	OMFG
May 01 19:33:18 <Hedgehog456>	Don't add +r please
May 01 19:33:19 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to Prodego
May 01 19:33:20 *	SpitfireWP sets ban on Idle*!~Idle*@*
May 01 19:33:20 *	Prodego sets mode +r #wikipedia-en
May 01 19:33:22 <Hedgehog456>	I love spammers
May 01 19:33:23 *	SpitfireWP shrugs
May 01 19:33:25 *	SpitfireWP removes ban on Idle*!~Idle*@*
May 01 19:33:27 *	ChanServ removes channel operator status from SpitfireWP
May 01 19:33:29 *	Prodego has kicked Hedgehog456 from #wikipedia-en (Hedgehog456)
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May 01 19:33:34 *	Prodego removes channel operator status from Prodego
May 01 19:33:37 <Theo10011>	hehe
May 01 19:33:37 <SpitfireWP>	Prodego, <3
May 01 19:33:43 <Prodego>	don't comment on spam
May 01 19:33:58 *	MC8 hunts for a youtube link to the spam song
May 01 19:35:04 <KimiNewt>	lovely spam, wonderful spam
May 01 19:35:10 <Theo10011>	what is it with Ironholds and spammer.
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May 01 19:37:40 <Hedgehog456>	Damn
May 01 19:37:53 <Hedgehog456>	Remind me not to check the channel ban list while not in the channel
May 01 19:38:06 <Hedgehog456>	I always cause collateral damage when I do that :P
May 01 19:38:20 *	Zamorak (~Zamorak@wikia/ZamorakO-o) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 19:38:23 <LauraHale>	Hedgehog456: Remind you of that when? :)
May 01 19:38:32 <Hedgehog456>	24/7
May 01 19:38:47 *	LauraHale reminds you again not to check the channel ban list while in the channel
May 01 19:38:51 <LauraHale>	Also, don't block me.
May 01 19:38:51 <Hedgehog456>	s/247/All the time
May 01 19:39:04 <Hedgehog456>	*not
May 01 19:39:11 <SpitfireWP>	/*
May 01 19:39:21 <Hedgehog456>	**
May 01 19:39:23 <SpitfireWP>	There should be a \/ there somewhere too.
May 01 19:39:40 <Hedgehog456>	You mean in between two O's?
May 01 19:39:51 <SpitfireWP>	Between the 4 and the 7
May 01 19:40:14 *	Despatche (~tap@cpe-174-111-086-022.triad.res.rr.com) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 19:40:14 <Hedgehog456>	s/24\7/All the time
May 01 19:40:27 <SpitfireWP>	Still missing two /s
May 01 19:40:46 <Hedgehog456>	*Where?*
May 01 19:40:53 <SpitfireWP>	s/24\/7/All the time/
May 01 19:41:01 <Gfoley4>	argh..
May 01 19:41:18 <Hedgehog456>	Why the pointy thing?
May 01 19:41:54 *	Logan_ (~Logan_@wikipedia/Logan) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 19:41:56 <SpitfireWP>	 / matches 24"""/""""7, and \ escapes the /.
May 01 19:42:12 <PeterSymonds>	I believe techies call it "Regex".
May 01 19:42:23 *	SpitfireWP grins
May 01 19:42:36 <Hedgehog456>	I hate regex.
May 01 19:42:39 <SpitfireWP>	I love it.
May 01 19:42:40 <SpitfireWP>	:P
May 01 19:42:43 <PeterSymonds>	I call it a bunch of odd lines that I don't understand.
May 01 19:42:45 <Hedgehog456>	I like talking about forex instead.
May 01 19:43:15 <Hedgehog456>	You know, whenever I start an innocent discussion about forex in a forum, I get banned.
May 01 19:43:29 <PeterSymonds>	Maybe you're too boring?
May 01 19:43:39 <Hedgehog456>	That's possible.
May 01 19:44:26 <Hedgehog456>	I believe my exact wording was "BUY FREE FOREX NOW AT http://google.com/ FREE FOREX EXTRA GOOD RATES http://en.wikipedia.org/ BUY FREE FOREX NOW"
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May 01 19:44:47 <Hedgehog456>	Scandalous, I say.
May 01 19:45:03 <Hedgehog456>	I start an innocent discussion about fake forex, and I'm kicked out.
May 01 19:45:06 <geniice>	readers we are the admins
May 01 19:45:30 <Hedgehog456>	admins we are the readers
May 01 19:45:40 <geniice>	we have the list of the articles you've been looking at. Now donate or we forward them to your employers
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May 01 19:48:45 <Hedgehog456>	Blackmail!
May 01 19:48:50 *	Hedgehog456 impeaches geniice 
May 01 19:49:39 *	matthewrbowker (~matthewrb@wikipedia/matthewrbowker) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 19:49:52 *	matthewrbowker is now known as MRB[away]
May 01 19:50:24 *	Douche (~Douche@wikimedia/Zalgo) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 19:50:28 <Hedgehog456>	No public logging => Yes public private flogging
May 01 19:50:40 *	MRB[away] is now known as matthewrbowker
May 01 19:50:41 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Douche tightly
May 01 19:51:10 *	Douche huggles Hedgehog456 
May 01 19:51:23 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Douche tightly
May 01 19:51:26 <Douche>	btw private flogging is  recurring joke i used to make with the topic :P
May 01 19:52:59 *	Pesky wakes up
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May 01 19:53:19 *	Pesky hugs Douche and Hedge
May 01 19:53:22 <PeterSymonds>	Pesky wakes up to a good flog.
May 01 19:53:35 *	Douche hugs Pesky 
May 01 19:53:44 *	Pesky leaps onto PeterSymonds and pins him to the floor
May 01 19:53:51 <PeterSymonds>	o_o
May 01 19:53:53 *	Jeske_Couriano hugs Douche and humps his leg
May 01 19:53:53 <Pesky>	Then wolf-washes his face very thoroughly
May 01 19:54:12 *	Pesky goes schluurrrrp schluuurp in Peter' ear
May 01 19:54:17 *	Douche maces Jeske_Couriano 
May 01 19:54:27 <Jeske_Couriano>	*YIP!!*
May 01 19:54:30 *	Pesky knocks Douche over (gently)
May 01 19:54:34 <Pesky>	Do not pick on Bori
May 01 19:54:36 *	Douche pets.
May 01 19:54:41 *	Douche pets.
May 01 19:54:46 *	Douche spanks PeterSymonds 
May 01 19:54:53 *	Pesky does wolfy grin
May 01 19:55:01 <Pesky>	See what excellent condition teeth are in ...
May 01 19:55:10 *	LauraHale huggles Douche and Pesky
May 01 19:55:14 *	Pesky doesn't allow people to pick on Boris
May 01 19:55:17 *	Douche huggles LauraHale 
May 01 19:55:21 *	Gfoley4 nods. peksy's teeth are excellent
May 01 19:55:23 *	Pesky huggle LauraHale 
May 01 19:55:26 *	NA_0 is now known as NA_0|away
May 01 19:55:32 <Douche>	man
May 01 19:55:35 *	Pesky licks Gfoley4 's fae, too
May 01 19:55:37 <Gfoley4>	*pesky's
May 01 19:55:38 <Pesky>	face
May 01 19:55:40 <Douche>	it's such a beautiful day too...
May 01 19:56:01 *	Pesky snuffs air …….
May 01 19:56:09 <Pesky>	snuff, snuff, snuff …..
May 01 19:56:17 *	Pesky pricks up ears …….
May 01 19:56:21 *	Douche nods.
May 01 19:56:39 <Douche>	in less than 24 hours, i will deposit a small piece of paper in a box.
May 01 19:56:57 *	Pesky 's head goes up on full alert ...
May 01 19:57:07 *	Pesky quivers with glee
May 01 19:57:13 <Gfoley4>	good thing is said "alert"
May 01 19:57:17 <Gfoley4>	I stalk it :D
May 01 19:57:22 <Pesky>	Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Ironholds is back!
May 01 19:57:25 <Gfoley4>	*you said
May 01 19:57:37 <Pesky>	Flying leap across room, excited wolfy squealy noises
May 01 19:57:57 *	Pesky tackle-hugs Ironholds
May 01 19:58:14 <Pesky>	[ironholds is pinned to floor and has face wolfy-kissed very excitedly]
May 01 19:58:32 <Pesky>	yip, yip squeeeel yip, yip
May 01 19:58:39 <Pesky>	wag wag wag
May 01 19:58:59 <Pesky>	lickylickylickylicky
May 01 19:59:38 *	Pesky presents favourite toy and sits to attention
May 01 20:00:06 *	Jeske_Couriano snuffles Douche's tailhole
May 01 20:00:18 <petan>	haha
May 01 20:00:20 <Fluff|away>	eww
May 01 20:00:21 <Douche>	ew
May 01 20:00:26 <petan>	I have biggest uptime in channel :)
May 01 20:00:29 <Douche>	I just took a dump.
May 01 20:00:32 <Jeske_Couriano>	*snff snff snff*
May 01 20:00:34 *	MuZemike starts his monthly backup
May 01 20:00:36 <Pesky>	on the carpet?
May 01 20:00:39 <Douche>	and i didn't wipe.
May 01 20:00:48 <Pesky>	prickly ….
May 01 20:00:52 *	Jeske_Couriano doesn't seem to mind
May 01 20:00:59 <geniice>	lab-on-capillary? isn't that just lab on a chip?
May 01 20:01:04 *	Douche is now known as ||||||||||||||||
May 01 20:01:19 *	Pesky thinks may have accidentally knocked out Ironholds
May 01 20:02:09 <geniice>	"List of diprotic acids"  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Natural_sciences#Chemistry_concepts.2C_classes_of_compounds
May 01 20:02:27 <Gfoley4>	|||||||||||||||||: isn't that banned?
May 01 20:02:33 <geniice>	thats insane. There are an infinite number of diprotic acids
May 01 20:02:48 *	|||||||||||||||| (~Douche@wikimedia/Zalgo) has left #wikipedia-en
May 01 20:03:01 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: 'tis
May 01 20:03:09 <Logan_>	but you can still change your nick to it while already in the channel
May 01 20:03:26 <Pesky>	Looks like a boring barcode to me
May 01 20:03:32 *	Tim_Hortons (~Douche@wikimedia/Zalgo) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 20:04:30 <LauraHale>	Arbcom case against him for dealing with netball and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aircorn&diff=prev&oldid=426855704 can't stay away.
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May 01 20:07:25 *	Logan_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
May 01 20:07:41 <geniice>	perhaps he really likes network
May 01 20:07:43 <geniice>	netball
May 01 20:08:04 <geniice>	it would make a change from the transport systems he is usualy going on about
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May 01 20:11:45 <Pesky>	Is he developing an obsession?
May 01 20:12:48 <Tim_Hortons>	yay
May 01 20:12:56 <Tim_Hortons>	another lizamoon spotted
May 01 20:13:09 <Hedgehog456>	Are there no derps around?
May 01 20:13:16 <Hedgehog456>	Oh, yes :S
May 01 20:13:18 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 01 20:13:24 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Tim_Hortons tightly
May 01 20:13:37 <Hedgehog456>	lizamoon?
May 01 20:14:08 *	Tim_Hortons huggles Hedgehog456 
May 01 20:14:22 <Tim_Hortons>	Hedgehog456: fake website that claims that the user has a virus
May 01 20:14:50 <Hedgehog456>	I have no virus
May 01 20:14:53 <Hedgehog456>	I ran a scan
May 01 20:15:07 *	Hedgehog456 hunts down lizamoon
May 01 20:15:12 *	Guerillero (4841c2a3@wikipedia/Guerillero) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 20:15:16 *	Hedgehog456 hacks the servers to bits
May 01 20:15:37 <Guerillero>	sounds like fun
May 01 20:17:05 *	Hedgehog456 kills a rival dev
May 01 20:18:23 *	Hedgehog456 gives his axe to Tim_Hortons
May 01 20:18:27 *	Guerillero is now known as Guer|Revising
May 01 20:18:29 *	TBloemink (~TBloemink@wikimedia/tbloemink) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 20:19:32 *	Ironholds is now known as IH|porkin
May 01 20:19:33 *	Tim_Hortons axes lizamoon
May 01 20:19:53 *	tyw7 (027d94b4@wikipedia/tyw7) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 20:19:58 <tyw7>	any en ops around?
May 01 20:20:09 *	IH|porkin is now known as \ih\
May 01 20:20:10 <LauraHale>	I want a Tim Horton's!
May 01 20:20:33 <tyw7>	what's that?
May 01 20:20:34 *	\ih\ is now known as IH|wishes
May 01 20:20:44 <Guer|Revising>	great donuts
May 01 20:20:46 <LauraHale>	Awesome donuts.
May 01 20:20:52 <LauraHale>	Right up there with Dunkin.
May 01 20:20:54 <Hedgehog456>	Fantastic doughnuts.
May 01 20:20:59 <LauraHale>	stupid Aussies can't make good donuts. :(
May 01 20:21:00 <tyw7>	how about crispe cream?
May 01 20:21:06 <tyw7>	* crispy cream?
May 01 20:21:10 <Guer|Revising>	nah
May 01 20:21:34 <tyw7>	any en ops around
May 01 20:21:53 <Hedgehog456>	Admins or ops?
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May 01 20:21:58 <tyw7>	admmins
May 01 20:22:12 <tyw7>	Can somebody delete my upload at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kill_the_silence.jpg *I accidentily upload a DW episode using that name so there is a non free picutre in the history*
May 01 20:22:37 <Hedgehog456>	Urgent?
May 01 20:22:44 <tyw7>	no...
May 01 20:22:50 <tyw7>	but only admin can furfill request
May 01 20:22:58 <Hedgehog456>	Then you must wait
May 01 20:23:01 <Guer|Revising>	lol
May 01 20:23:11 <tyw7>	Hedgehog456: what are you doing... to incur to wait?
May 01 20:23:20 <tyw7>	how many people are in the queue ahead of me ;)
May 01 20:23:24 <Guer|Revising>	how didn't you hit the size sealing
May 01 20:23:33 <LauraHale>	Krispy Kreme donuts are awful.
May 01 20:23:45 <tyw7>	Guer|Revising: what do you mean?
May 01 20:23:48 <Hedgehog456>	tyw7: Fifty thousand, two hundred and eight.
May 01 20:23:53 <Pesky>	IH|wishes: you woke up OK, then?
May 01 20:24:08 <tyw7>	Hedgehog456: that many people requesting admin help???
May 01 20:24:17 <Hedgehog456>	I don't know.
May 01 20:24:25 <Guer|Revising>	tyw7: You can only upload files so bof
May 01 20:24:26 <Hedgehog456>	87% of statistics are made up.
May 01 20:24:28 <Guer|Revising>	big*
May 01 20:24:40 <Guer|Revising>	tyw7:We run into that at  FS
May 01 20:24:56 <tyw7>	I never reached size upload cealing
May 01 20:25:02 <Hedgehog456>	ceiling
May 01 20:25:18 <tyw7>	cause if more than 15 mb the broadband would choke
May 01 20:25:21 <Guer|Revising>	we run into it with video
May 01 20:25:25 <tyw7>	Or even 8 mb...
May 01 20:25:33 <tyw7>	It would take over an hour or so!
May 01 20:25:36 <tyw7>	1 mb ps
May 01 20:25:40 <tyw7>	1 mb/s
May 01 20:25:57 <Pesky>	I remember the days when a meg-a-minute was a distant dream ……
May 01 20:26:06 <Hedgehog456>	50mbps
May 01 20:26:11 <Hedgehog456>	on my wireless
May 01 20:26:18 <Hedgehog456>	my ethernet uses 100mbps
May 01 20:26:26 <Hedgehog456>	:P
May 01 20:26:36 <Pesky>	1200k …. ahhh I remember it well
May 01 20:26:40 <Tim_Hortons>	hey tyw7
May 01 20:26:49 <tyw7>	hey Tim_Hortons
May 01 20:26:51 <Tim_Hortons>	@loudbot having fun?
May 01 20:26:52 <Tim_Hortons>	:P
May 01 20:26:55 <tyw7>	lol
May 01 20:27:00 <tyw7>	are you coffee?
May 01 20:27:05 <Tim_Hortons>	no
May 01 20:27:06 <Tim_Hortons>	derp
May 01 20:27:07 <Tim_Hortons>	:P
May 01 20:27:15 <Hedgehog456>	No, he's a person.
May 01 20:27:21 <Hedgehog456>	Respect his feelings.
May 01 20:27:28 <tyw7>	I mean User:Coffee
May 01 20:27:29 <Pesky>	So why is derp Tim_Hortons justnow?
May 01 20:27:29 <Hedgehog456>	He's not a hot beverage.
May 01 20:27:35 <Tim_Hortons>	Oh
May 01 20:27:38 <Tim_Hortons>	for fun :)
May 01 20:27:42 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: looooooooooooong story
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May 01 20:28:00 <Pesky>	My hand is being chewed by a partially senile cat ...
May 01 20:28:12 <tyw7>	Tim_Hortons: are you @kuslak
May 01 20:28:16 <Tim_Hortons>	bingo
May 01 20:28:18 <Tim_Hortons>	:D
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May 01 20:28:39 <Hedgehog456>	Tim_Hortons is she sockpuppeteer of everyone
May 01 20:28:41 <Hedgehog456>	*the
May 01 20:28:45 <tyw7>	loud bot is sure annoying!
May 01 20:28:45 <Tim_Hortons>	and i just pinged you on twitter :P
May 01 20:28:56 <tyw7>	Tim_Hortons: I know... :P
May 01 20:28:58 <tyw7>	:D
May 01 20:29:02 <Tim_Hortons>	:D
May 01 20:29:04 <tyw7>	and your account tweeted spam
May 01 20:29:05 <tyw7>	:)
May 01 20:29:10 <Hedgehog456>	He is 52 admins, 5 ArbCom members, 2 Trustees, 12 bureaucrats and 6 stewards.
May 01 20:29:10 *	Tim_Hortons uses twitter for mac.
May 01 20:29:27 <Hedgehog456>	Or as rumoured.
May 01 20:29:49 <Tim_Hortons>	oh
May 01 20:29:51 *	LauraHale hasn't been tweeting much
May 01 20:29:54 *	Pesky is a Mac person :o)
May 01 20:30:02 *	tyw7 is a Windows person
May 01 20:30:03 <tyw7>	:)
May 01 20:30:06 *	Pesky never tweeted, ever
May 01 20:30:07 <Hedgehog456>	Although Jimbo is all of ArbCom, so Jimbo is a sockpuppet of Tim_Hortons.
May 01 20:30:27 <Tim_Hortons>	tomorrow, during election day, for results, the electoral law bans any communications of electoral results before a deadline.
May 01 20:30:42 <Hedgehog456>	What election day?
May 01 20:30:53 <Pesky>	What outcome are they trying to achieve with that?
May 01 20:31:00 <Tim_Hortons>	Since Canada spans 6 time zones...
May 01 20:31:12 <Tim_Hortons>	Pesky: voter influence.
May 01 20:31:14 <Tim_Hortons>	but of coruse
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May 01 20:31:16 <Tim_Hortons>	course
May 01 20:31:22 <Tim_Hortons>	we're gonna break that law
May 01 20:31:23 <tyw7>	Dr Who is sure confusing!
May 01 20:31:23 <Tim_Hortons>	:D
May 01 20:31:29 <Pesky>	Voters should be allowed to be influenced
May 01 20:31:40 <Tim_Hortons>	Trough Twitter!
May 01 20:32:03 <Pesky>	Sound fun
May 01 20:32:12 <tyw7>	Tim_Hortons: pig?
May 01 20:32:18 <Tim_Hortons>	Hedgehog456: Pesky: Canada's in election on may 2
May 01 20:32:18 <tyw7>	Don't you mean tough
May 01 20:32:19 <Guer|Revising>	when is the new epidode of Dr. Who?
May 01 20:32:29 <tyw7>	Guer|Revising: which? Day of Moon?
May 01 20:32:44 *	Pesky only partially interested in things like elections
May 01 20:32:46 <tyw7>	or else next week at about 6 UK time
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May 01 20:32:54 <Guer|Revising>	ok
May 01 20:33:01 <tyw7>	see schedule
May 01 20:33:07 *	Pesky more intersted in complete bulldoze and Redo from Start of most systems
May 01 20:33:11 <tyw7>	Day of the Moon is out now
May 01 20:33:21 <tyw7>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b010y5l3/Doctor_Who_Series_6_Day_of_the_Moon/
May 01 20:33:29 <Tim_Hortons>	across Canada
May 01 20:33:38 <Tim_Hortons>	election offices are closing at the same time.
May 01 20:33:48 <Pesky>	UK politics: nobody's ever going to be able to do well.  It's like choosing which driver to put in an unroadworthy vehicle.
May 01 20:34:00 <Pesky>	Doesn;t matter who's driving, the damn vehicle is still unroadworthy
May 01 20:34:26 <tyw7>	Pesky: change the vehicle? or upgrade it?
May 01 20:34:36 <Pesky>	Design new vehicle
May 01 20:35:05 <Pesky>	Blu-tack no longer sufficient to plug gaps
May 01 20:35:37 <Pesky>	We've been blu-tacking and band-aiding this particular vehicle for hundres of years - it ain't ever gonna run right again!
May 01 20:35:55 <Pesky>	Wholy system needs re-making, re-designing, the works
May 01 20:36:02 <tyw7>	any wiki admins around?
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May 01 20:37:14 <Pesky>	Almost every "system" we have in the UK just about barely functions
May 01 20:37:36 <Pesky>	Our "systems" devour money and produce poor results
May 01 20:37:52 <LauraHale>	Pesky: A lot of that comes down to a matter of perspective.
May 01 20:38:12 <Pesky>	We need some real major overhauling of so much, here, though
May 01 20:38:28 <tyw7>	Gfoley4: you there?
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May 01 20:38:49 <Pesky>	Like housing, for example.  Place I used to live in had a few streets which were rows of little terraced red-brick houses
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May 01 20:39:02 <Pesky>	They were built for the lowest-of-the-low railroad workers.
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May 01 20:39:16 <Pesky>	But now you have to be middle-management to be able to afford to buy the same house
May 01 20:39:22 <tyw7>	way too small!
May 01 20:39:37 <tyw7>	One some roads, two cars can't pass each other!
May 01 20:39:46 <tyw7>	even though it is a double lane road
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May 01 20:40:12 <Pesky>	That can actually make for safer roads
May 01 20:40:38 <Pesky>	The narrow roads across the New Forest have har fewer accidents than the wider ones
May 01 20:41:37 <Pesky>	Good idea for low-usage roads - narrow with passing places, or plenty of pinch-points to slow the traffic down
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May 01 20:44:05 <Pesky>	Housing - most housing in the UK is beyond the financial reach of most employees in the UK.  Where's the sense in that?
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May 01 20:44:33 <Pesky>	Go back to mediaeval times, and you only had to work for 30 days in each year to guarantee a roof over your head, and enough land to grow your own food
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May 01 20:45:19 <Qcoder00>	Erm...
May 01 20:45:39 <Qcoder00>	I'm not sure that's accurate
May 01 20:45:58 <Pesky>	I think it is ….. just think how many employees are on national minum wage, or only twi ce that
May 01 20:46:16 <Pesky>	What's the cheapest house you can buy?
May 01 20:46:29 <LauraHale>	The people I harrass are largely absent.
May 01 20:46:33 <Pesky>	Mortgage: generally no more than £x wages / salary
May 01 20:46:36 <LauraHale>	Woe.
May 01 20:46:37 <Pesky>	3x
May 01 20:47:13 <Pesky>	Loads of people on less than £30K a year.  How many houses available, in the areas those people work in, for £90K?  Not many!
May 01 20:47:14 <Qcoder00>	Good Evening Ms Pesky.
May 01 20:47:21 *	Pesky hugs Qcoder00 
May 01 20:47:21 <Herodotus>	Pesky: On the upside, cheap housing. On the downside, being unable to leave the land, vote, etc.
May 01 20:47:26 *	Qcoder00 does a deep curtsey
May 01 20:47:37 <Qcoder00>	Is Ms OK?
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May 01 20:48:12 <Pesky>	Herodotus: but if you were homeless, you were /allowed/ to go and build yourself some kind of prinitive shack somewhere to keep the rain off your back.  You;re not allowed to do that any more
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May 01 20:48:28 *	Pesky is having a 'meh' day.  Feel crappy, really
May 01 20:48:35 <Qcoder00>	Pesky: Oh
May 01 20:48:46 <Qcoder00>	What's upset you?
May 01 20:48:54 <Pesky>	Nothing, just tired, I guess
May 01 20:49:12 <Pesky>	Need to go for a medications-review, see if I can come off or change a few
May 01 20:49:25 <Qcoder00>	You didn't say you were on medication :(
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May 01 20:49:40 <Pesky>	Several different sorts, lol!
May 01 20:49:44 <Qcoder00>	And if you are getting tired , it might be worth checking the medications
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May 01 20:50:18 <Pesky>	I was spawned down at the murky end of the gene pool, where the sharks hang out
May 01 20:50:24 <Peter-C>	NEED MOAR GLOMPS
May 01 20:50:26 <Pesky>	so have a few little issues…..
May 01 20:50:59 <Pesky>	Qcoder00: patches of mad insomnia, followed by 'crach-days', followed by more insomnia, etc.
May 01 20:51:33 <Pesky>	My sleeping pattern resembles a surrealist painting viewed through a kaleidoscope.  Interesting, but unhelpful
May 01 20:51:35 <Qcoder00>	Last time I didn't sleep, I ended up with a massive migrane attack
May 01 20:52:02 <Qcoder00>	Pesky:  Do you get smiling Chesire Cat's yet?
May 01 20:52:03 <Pesky>	Migraine's a bastard
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May 01 20:52:18 <Pesky>	No, just our ordinary cats :o)
May 01 20:52:50 *	Tim_Hortons kicks Peter-C with his new shoes :D
May 01 20:53:03 <Qcoder00>	Sorry, I was trying to make an obscure comment that seeing Chesire Cat's could indicate something you should see a doctor about
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May 01 20:53:29 <Pesky>	Interesting; if I run a really high temperature I hallucinate fishes
May 01 20:53:29 <Qcoder00>	I assume you knew roughly what I meant though
May 01 20:53:37 <Pesky>	floating in the air - over people's heads, etc.
May 01 20:53:57 <Pesky>	I'll go see the doctor soon
May 01 20:54:09 <Qcoder00>	I tend to get fractals  aliens or angel-forms...
May 01 20:54:15 <Pesky>	Maybe there's some newer, better med I could be on
May 01 20:54:17 <Qcoder00>	but that's with migranes...
May 01 20:54:42 <Pesky>	I get zazzy haloes around things with migraines - but (touch wood) I don't get many  migraines now
May 01 20:54:45 <Qcoder00>	Pesky:   You aren't on anything really powerful are you?
May 01 20:54:59 *	Qcoder00 wonders where BarkingFish is
May 01 20:55:00 <Pesky>	DHC is about the strongest, usually
May 01 20:55:08 <Pesky>	(dihydrocodeine)
May 01 20:55:16 <Qcoder00>	Oh..
May 01 20:55:28 <Qcoder00>	 /me doesn't know what that is and has to go look it up
May 01 20:55:40 <Pesky>	Don't often need morphine, just now and then (after surgery or accident)
May 01 20:55:58 <Pesky>	The other stuff is pretty standard stuff
May 01 20:56:13 <Qcoder00>	After Surgery?
May 01 20:57:50 *	Qcoder00 ponders why people I know all tend to have  eccentricities
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May 01 20:58:11 <Pesky>	Qcoder00:  I've had 13 surgeries in the past 27 months!
May 01 20:58:21 <Qcoder00>	:O
May 01 20:58:25 <Pesky>	Lots of bits went past their use-by date
May 01 20:58:33 <Pesky>	lol
May 01 20:58:58 <Pesky>	cig brk - back soon
May 01 20:59:03 *	Qcoder00 considers it impolite to ask how old Pesky is
May 01 20:59:05 <Pesky>	more than 50
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May 01 21:07:41 <Qcoder00>	Oh...
May 01 21:07:48 <Dragonfly6-7>	Vocabulary question!
May 01 21:07:51 <Dragonfly6-7>	if a mastectomy completely removes the cancer, but as a direct result thereof the patient can no longer move her arm, would you call that a "botched" mastectomy?
May 01 21:08:23 <Qcoder00>	Dragonfly6-7:   It more than botched it's potential malpractice :(
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May 01 21:09:05 <Qcoder00>	What's the context?
May 01 21:09:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	Qcoder00 - I'm working with a medical school applicant on his entrance essay; this is a case he personally witnessed
May 01 21:09:26 <Qcoder00>	Hmm
May 01 21:09:45 <Qcoder00>	There used to be someone on-wiki that was actually a medical doctor
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May 01 21:10:00 <Dragonfly6-7>	I'm sure there still is; it's just that I was wondering about the term 'botched' in this context
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May 01 21:10:36 <Qcoder00>	To my completely unqaulified view 'botched' is acceptable...
May 01 21:11:09 <Qcoder00>	.. I.E  Surgery is done to cure a specifc anaomaly  WITHOUT causing other harm
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May 01 21:12:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	I must admit, I don't konw the specifics. It was serious enough that the entire breast was removed, along with part of her shoulder girdle.
May 01 21:12:26 <Dragonfly6-7>	so it's possible that the loss of function was unavoidable
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May 01 21:17:38 <Qcoder00>	Evening BarkingFish
May 01 21:17:51 <BarkingFish>	hi Qcoder00
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May 01 21:18:43 <geniice>	"botched" would require that the outcome was due to a mistake
May 01 21:19:54 <Pesky>	If part of the shoulder girdle had to be removed, it's virtually impossible to do that without some serious loss of mobility in the arm
May 01 21:20:59 <Dragonfly6-7>	mm
May 01 21:21:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	that's why I've been concerned about the word 'botched'
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May 01 21:24:46 <Pesky>	Some nerve damage is virtually unavoidable, but sometimes nerves can be damaged in ways which could havebeen avoided
May 01 21:24:53 <Pesky>	Not always easy to tell which is which
May 01 21:25:25 <Pesky>	Better to damage a nerve and clear the cancer than preserve the nerve at the risk of not removing the cancer
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May 01 21:30:26 <Dragonfly6-7>	Pesky - additional data
May 01 21:30:36 <Pesky>	ok
May 01 21:31:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	Pesky - the doctor who described said that the surgeons should not have cut as deep as all that, he had examined the patient prior to surgery.
May 01 21:31:33 <Pesky>	Hmmmmm - but sometimes you just can't see stuff until you actually get in there
May 01 21:31:59 <Pesky>	Even MRI's won't really give you the whole picture
May 01 21:32:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	true enoguh
May 01 21:32:40 <Pesky>	Example: I had an MRI on my right knee a coule years back, showed (apparently) two deep cracks through the cartilage, extending down to bone surface
May 01 21:33:04 <Pesky>	… when they actually got into the knww, it was actually two sides of a huge flap that had sheared away from the bone suraface
May 01 21:33:11 <Pesky>	so whole lot had to go
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May 01 21:34:53 <Pesky>	As a general rule, the guys who are actually 'eyes on' to the thing can make the best call.  Not always, but usually
May 01 21:34:59 *	Dragonfly6-7 nomds
May 01 21:35:02 <Dragonfly6-7>	nods
May 01 21:35:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	do you still have a knee?
May 01 21:35:27 <Pesky>	With cancerous changes in bone, sometimes you'll get some slight discoloration
May 01 21:35:33 <Pesky>	Yes, surgery was very effective
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May 01 21:35:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	Pesky - .... this was bone cancer?
May 01 21:36:09 <Pesky>	Big chunk of cartialge gone, but body kinda fills in some of the gap with fibrousy stuff(provided you provoke the joint to encourage the body to build alternative surfaces)
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May 01 21:36:33 <Pesky>	Your mastectomy patient - if the cancer had spread into the bones, they would have had to take quite a bit
May 01 21:37:06 <Pesky>	If bone surface in the patient was 'odd' to the eye, they would have chosen to play safe, I think
May 01 21:38:05 <Pesky>	If the bony stuff doesn't look spot-on normal, close to any kind of cancer, you have to treat it as suspect, really
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May 01 21:38:37 <Pesky>	Coz once it really gets gfoing in a bone, you're looking at 6 - 12 months max
May 01 21:40:14 <Pesky>	See [[Bone tumor]]
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May 01 21:46:18 <Pesky>	Also (from WP) : "For example, breast tumor cells, which gather calcium ions from breast milk, metastasize to bone tissue, where they can gather calcium ions from bone. "
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May 01 21:55:51 <Hedgehog456>	The thoughts going through my head are quite weird at the moment
May 01 21:56:04 <PeterSymonds>	"at the moment"
May 01 21:56:18 <Hedgehog456>	All the time, really :P
May 01 21:56:31 <Hedgehog456>	I'm thinking of ways to cure genetic diseases
May 01 21:57:13 <Qcoder00>	??
May 01 21:57:24 <Qcoder00>	Cures for genetic disorders?
May 01 21:57:32 <Hedgehog456>	Yes, that
May 01 21:57:37 <Hedgehog456>	I'm half awake
May 01 21:58:06 <Qcoder00>	One somewhat sci-fi tactic is to use a harmless virius inserstion to affect gene changes...
May 01 21:58:44 <Qcoder00>	I.E An otherwise harmless virus is used to insert modified DNA sequences to create healthy cells as opposed to damaged ones
May 01 21:58:52 <Hedgehog456>	Nah, that's ridiculous
May 01 21:59:00 <Qcoder00>	There are other techniques though
May 01 22:01:01 <Qcoder00>	Hedgehog456:  I am not sure the DNA inserstion via a virus is as ridiculous as it sounds though....
May 01 22:01:21 <Qcoder00>	Any mad bio-sciences people in?
May 01 22:01:28 <Qcoder00>	XD
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May 01 22:02:25 <Pesky>	Hedgehog456: not ridiculous at all, really! Carrying DNA through on a viroid carrier is perfectly feasible
May 01 22:02:29 <Sven_Manguard>	I need an oversighter
May 01 22:02:47 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: I'd do it differently
May 01 22:02:49 <Sven_Manguard>	!OS anyone with oversight please PM me immediately
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May 01 22:06:13 <Prodego>	but does he? does he really?
May 01 22:09:28 <Pesky>	Frustrating …. when someone says that, my instinct is to go check their contribs, see what they've been looking at …….
May 01 22:09:41 <Qcoder00>	Pesky:  I'm sure I'd heard of such a technique being used experimentally , but can't recall where... not in human medicine though...
May 01 22:09:59 <Pesky>	It's been being talked about / considered for a very long time
May 01 22:10:52 <Pesky>	[[Gene therapy]]
May 01 22:12:53 <Pesky>	[[Viral vector]]
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May 01 22:17:53 <Qcoder00>	Hmm
May 01 22:18:13 *	Qcoder00 waits for the day when stem cell reaserch and DNA viral tactics time up
May 01 22:18:17 <Qcoder00>	*tie up
May 01 22:18:32 *	Sceptre pokes Ironholds for whenever
May 01 22:19:09 <Qcoder00>	Sceptre:  Ironholds is not currently online :(
May 01 22:19:23 <Pesky>	Ironholds is in disguise …….
May 01 22:19:27 <Sceptre>	he is
May 01 22:19:49 <Pesky>	IH … wishes -not quite
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May 01 22:21:00 <Pesky>	He didn't even notice the excited wolfie-greetin-back-from-holiday thing :o(
May 01 22:21:09 <Pesky>	or at least, didn't reposnd
May 01 22:21:14 <Pesky>	respond
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May 01 22:24:41 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds has been replaced by a non-sentient robot clone.
May 01 22:24:52 <foks|vaek>	Another one?
May 01 22:24:55 *	foks|vaek is now known as foks
May 01 22:26:15 <Hedgehog456>	:P
May 01 22:26:21 <Hedgehog456>	That's nasty. :P
May 01 22:27:45 <Pesky>	I reckon he's asleep
May 01 22:28:46 <Hedgehog456>	I reckon he's lost all willpower.
May 01 22:29:33 <Qcoder00>	OK Folks
May 01 22:29:38 <Qcoder00>	Another template bug
May 01 22:29:50 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Limited_Liability_Partnerships_Act_%28Northern_Ireland%29_2002
May 01 22:29:52 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to Prodego
May 01 22:29:53 *	Prodego sets mode -r #wikipedia-en
May 01 22:29:53 *	Prodego removes channel operator status from Prodego
May 01 22:29:58 <Qcoder00>	using {{UK-LEG ext}}
May 01 22:30:07 <Qcoder00>	The links don't display
May 01 22:30:27 <Qcoder00>	However the documentation for switch parser function which I've followed says they should
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May 01 22:32:04 <foks>	Not for NIAs
May 01 22:32:18 <Gfoley4>	stupid #wikimedia-overflow
May 01 22:32:22 <Gfoley4>	>:(
May 01 22:32:44 <Qcoder00>	foks:  I added a clause especially
May 01 22:32:49 <PeterSymonds>	Stupid #Gordon.
May 01 22:32:53 <foks>	a blank clause
May 01 22:32:54 <Qcoder00>	And purged the template
May 01 22:33:03 <Qcoder00>	foks:  Switch clauses fall through
May 01 22:33:12 <foks>	No, they don't.
May 01 22:33:16 <Qcoder00>	Which is how ASP  were being done?
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May 01 22:33:29 <Qcoder00>	foks:  They don't fall through?
May 01 22:33:31 <foks>	The way you've done it will make anything with "type=nia" not show
May 01 22:33:46 <Qcoder00>	OK Then the documentation needs updating
May 01 22:34:04 <Qcoder00>	because it says to do a multi you use blank clauses
May 01 22:34:33 <Hedgehog456>	Any EC2 users around?
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May 01 22:34:46 <foks>	Qcoder00, look at the article now
May 01 22:34:49 <Qcoder00>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23switch - Ah
May 01 22:34:50 <foks>	That I've fixed it
May 01 22:34:56 <foks>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Limited_Liability_Partnerships_Act_%28Northern_Ireland%29_2002&action=purge
May 01 22:35:00 <Qcoder00>	OK I think I see the gltich
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May 01 22:35:29 <foks>	It's not a glitch!
May 01 22:35:30 <foks>	:P
May 01 22:35:40 <foks>	You were putting, in the template, "nia="
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May 01 22:35:48 <foks>	And therefore nothing would display
May 01 22:36:07 <geniice>	dear internet. an image search for "Ho Van Tay" should not produce pornography
May 01 22:36:30 <Qcoder00>	rather than nia  straight
May 01 22:36:34 <Qcoder00>	OK :)
May 01 22:36:35 <Qcoder00>	Thanks
May 01 22:36:40 *	Pesky knackered, going to retreat to den and snooze
May 01 22:36:46 <foks>	Qcoder00, not a bothe.
May 01 22:36:48 <foks>	+r
May 01 22:36:49 *	Pesky hugs anyone who needs a hug
May 01 22:36:54 <Qcoder00>	BTW {{UK-:LEG ext}} probably needs some general tidying up anyway...
May 01 22:36:57 <foks>	Feel free to edit the description of course
May 01 22:37:02 <Pesky>	g'night!
May 01 22:37:02 <Qcoder00>	as does {{UK-LEG/sandbox}}
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May 01 22:37:18 <Hedgehog456>	;(
May 01 22:37:35 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky is gone
May 01 22:37:38 <Qcoder00>	I've not added the 'Welsh' stuff to {{UK-LEG ext}} yet , nor the other forms of SI
May 01 22:37:53 *	foks doesn't really 'get' law in the UK
May 01 22:37:57 <foks>	well, I get it
May 01 22:38:02 <foks>	Just not that level of law
May 01 22:38:35 <Hedgehog456>	Why all the fuss over some templates?
May 01 22:38:37 <Hedgehog456>	Any EC2 users around?
May 01 22:39:15 <Qcoder00>	Whats EC2?
May 01 22:39:25 <Hedgehog456>	Amazon Elastic Cloud 2
May 01 22:39:58 <foks>	...the fuck
May 01 22:40:00 <foks>	:D
May 01 22:40:29 <Hedgehog456>	I /really/ need an EC2 user
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May 01 22:43:35 <Hedgehog456>	arghhelpi'mchoking
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May 01 22:44:04 <Hedgehog456>	ah, that's better
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May 01 22:45:32 <MauchoEagle>	In a general light, does anyone think that admins should have a userpage
May 01 22:45:39 <Gfoley4>	?
May 01 22:45:55 <MauchoEagle>	does anyone think that admins should have a userpage?
May 01 22:46:06 <Gfoley4>	yes?
May 01 22:46:09 <Hedgehog456>	I think they shouldn't
May 01 22:46:16 <Hedgehog456>	They should be deprived of them
May 01 22:46:17 <Gfoley4>	9_9
May 01 22:46:24 <Hedgehog456>	OK, they should
May 01 22:46:31 <Hedgehog456>	Why?
May 01 22:46:58 <MauchoEagle>	I think it gives a user more insight into the person they are dealing with
May 01 22:47:08 *	MRB[away] is now known as matthewrbowker
May 01 22:47:09 <Gfoley4>	wtf?
May 01 22:47:15 <Hedgehog456>	Is there an admin without one?
May 01 22:47:48 <Gfoley4>	I doubt any admin has a red linked userpage
May 01 22:48:04 <geniice>	a few do
May 01 22:48:10 *	Hedgehog456 MfD's Gfoley4's userpage
May 01 22:48:19 <geniice>	also wikipedia lacks an article on BMX Ninja
May 01 22:48:26 <geniice>	[[BMX Ninja]]
May 01 22:48:55 <MauchoEagle>	hold ones I just saw one with no userpage
May 01 22:49:07 <MauchoEagle>	I just saw one with no userpage
May 01 22:49:08 <geniice>	Hedgehog456	 one redlinked admin http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Journalist&action=edit&redlink=1
May 01 22:49:12 *	BarkingFish has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
May 01 22:49:18 <Hedgehog456>	BURN HIM
May 01 22:49:27 <Hedgehog456>	BURN HIM NAO
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May 01 22:50:26 <MauchoEagle>	and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:52_Pickup&action=edit&redlink=1
May 01 22:50:47 <Hedgehog456>	BURN HIM TOO
May 01 22:51:08 *	ctjf83 (32511d96@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.81.29.150) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 22:51:20 <foks>	and User:Jayg?
May 01 22:51:21 <foks>	G
May 01 22:51:23 <ctjf83>	ok, Prodego
May 01 22:51:24 <foks>	No?
May 01 22:51:31 <Prodego>	ctjf83: sometimes we require you have a registered nick to join, to prevent spam
May 01 22:51:35 <Prodego>	usually you don't need it
May 01 22:51:44 <ctjf83>	oh, ok, i see
May 01 22:52:35 <Brian_S>	foks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwcsVEwJyj8
May 01 22:52:46 <ctjf83>	so, prodego, about blocking the user?
May 01 22:53:19 *	Mono is loving irccloud.com
May 01 22:53:19 <foks>	Brian_S, not 100% keen on that
May 01 22:53:25 <foks>	I like it,
May 01 22:53:34 <foks>	but it's not great, it's not really Elbow
May 01 22:53:59 <Prodego>	ctjf83: yea sure done
May 01 22:54:25 <ctjf83>	thanks!
May 01 22:56:09 <BarkingFish>	Anyone good with regex here?
May 01 22:56:38 <BarkingFish>	I need to know what the command is at the start of a regex to say "it begins with this, anything else after it doesn't matter."
May 01 22:57:01 <BarkingFish>	like something begins with "cock", whatever comes after it has no bearing on the block.
May 01 22:57:12 <BarkingFish>	*blacklist
May 01 22:57:46 <slakr>	^cock.*
May 01 22:57:54 <slakr>	or \bcock.*
May 01 22:58:06 <slakr>	depending on how it's dealing with regexes
May 01 22:58:13 <slakr>	if it automagically prepends and appends .*
May 01 22:58:15 <slakr>	then
May 01 22:58:22 <slakr>	\bcock
May 01 22:58:54 <geniice>	did I know that sprite uses artificial preservatives? no but I fail to see why this should be a bad thing
May 01 22:59:22 <BarkingFish>	slakr: it'd be for the Mediawiki:TitleBlacklist
May 01 23:00:05 <slakr>	so then if you're looking to just match titles like [[Cockadoodledoo]]
May 01 23:00:11 <slakr>	cock.*
May 01 23:00:36 <Mono>	Anyone good with JavaScript?
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May 01 23:05:41 <Mono>	hey sonia
May 01 23:05:47 <sonia>	hola
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May 01 23:10:58 <geniice>	hmmm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ninja_video_games
May 01 23:11:08 <Hedgehog456>	No public logging ===> Yes public private flogging
May 01 23:11:40 <Gfoley4>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&details=4672784 look like some old vandal to anyone?
May 01 23:11:46 <Gfoley4>	Brian_S ^
May 01 23:12:01 *	Zammy|Trans is now known as Zamorak
May 01 23:12:09 <sonia>	Gfoley4 is outing his own socks.
May 01 23:12:19 <Gfoley4>	o;
May 01 23:12:43 <Hedgehog456>	Naughty Gfoley4
May 01 23:12:58 <Hedgehog456>	You should keep your socks hidden!
May 01 23:13:15 <Gfoley4>	I don't like in Florida, fools
May 01 23:13:18 <sonia>	everyone knows allowing your socks to be visible is immodesty.
May 01 23:13:19 <MuZemike>	Socks?
May 01 23:13:19 <Gfoley4>	*live
May 01 23:13:23 <MuZemike>	Where?
May 01 23:13:23 <Hedgehog456>	I have thousands, but no-one ever finds out. :P
May 01 23:13:24 <sonia>	Gfoley4 needs to wear a burqa.
May 01 23:13:34 <Gfoley4>	MuZemike: it tripped a filter
May 01 23:13:55 <Gfoley4>	one of the ones that automatically report at AIV
May 01 23:14:45 *	Hedgehog456 swiftly covers Gfoley4's socks up
May 01 23:18:34 *	BarkingFish is now known as BRS-dogbathing
May 01 23:18:38 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: look at [[WP:AIV]] :P
May 01 23:18:53 *	BRS-dogbathing (~thor@wikipedia/BarkingFish) has left #wikipedia-en ("Outta here!")
May 01 23:18:54 <Gfoley4>	ha
May 01 23:19:03 <Peter-C>	Hedgehog456 - edit my post!
May 01 23:19:06 <Peter-C>	>:(
May 01 23:19:29 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: Thebossshit2 needs immediate indef. block
May 01 23:19:35 <Logan_>	posting obscene pictures in articles
May 01 23:19:51 <Hedgehog456>	Peter-C: It's really late in Britain
May 01 23:20:01 <Hedgehog456>	I feel like my head is going to fall off
May 01 23:20:22 <Hedgehog456>	But I'll see what I can do ;P
May 01 23:20:58 <Hedgehog456>	What post? ;O
May 01 23:21:07 <Peter-C>	Check your PM's
May 01 23:21:10 <sonia>	Hedgehog456: it's not /that/ late..
May 01 23:21:11 <Gfoley4>	Logan_: uh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wealthyaffiliate ?
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May 01 23:21:57 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: posting affiliate links
May 01 23:22:01 <Logan_>	kinda obvious by the username
May 01 23:22:51 *	sonia loves wolframalpha
May 01 23:23:05 <Logan_>	same
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May 01 23:23:35 <geniice>	most honest game title ever
May 01 23:23:37 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Buy_This
May 01 23:25:39 <MuZemike>	No, there's a better title out there (has to look for it)
May 01 23:26:00 <geniice>	BMX ninja ?
May 01 23:26:18 <MuZemike>	No, you are thinking of [[Ninja Golf]], but close
May 01 23:26:26 <MuZemike>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Made_a_Game_with_Zombies_in_It!
May 01 23:26:35 <geniice>	BMX ninja was an actual game
May 01 23:26:43 <MuZemike>	So was Ninja Golf
May 01 23:27:05 *	geniice is trying to work out if [[Don't Buy This]] copyright disclaimer counts as a free license
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May 01 23:27:55 <MuZemike>	From the title alone?
May 01 23:28:59 <geniice>	 no from the statement in the manual "Firebird disowns all copyright on this product It may be coppied, lent, hired, or transmited at will"
May 01 23:29:53 <geniice>	or in full "Firebird disowns all copyright in this product. It may be copied, lent, hired or transmitted at will. If the programme is faulty please place sticky tape over the lug holes and use as a blank tape. This offer does not affect your statutory consumer rights."
May 01 23:30:24 <Sceptre>	I want to kick any Labour No campaigner in the balls
May 01 23:30:36 <Sceptre>	"derp herp broken promises"
May 01 23:30:41 <Hedgehog456>	Bye
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May 01 23:30:44 <Sceptre>	"Oh, this promise in our manifesto? Never mind it."
May 01 23:30:49 <Mono>	Someone ping me please.
May 01 23:31:02 <geniice>	Mono no
May 01 23:31:17 <MuZemike>	geniice: I would then take that as a "yes", unless they were truly being sarcastic.
May 01 23:31:25 <Mono>	Why not geniice ?
May 01 23:31:56 <MuZemike>	I should know, I come across mostly C64 and ZX Spectrum games in my [[Retro Gamer]] magazines.
May 01 23:32:03 <sonia>	Mono: didn't geniice ping you in the process of saying that?
May 01 23:32:15 <Mono>	yup ;)
May 01 23:32:17 <geniice>	MuZemike what the copyright thing? The problem I'm having with it is I'm not totaly sure who would hold the copyright. Firebird should do but there are issues
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May 01 23:37:45 <Peter-C>	OMG LOOK CENSORED MATERIAL! - http://www.petercoti.com/2011/05/political_censorship_an_enemy_of_progress/
May 01 23:37:47 <Peter-C>	CENSORED!
May 01 23:37:50 <Peter-C>	DON'T LOOK!
May 01 23:38:22 <PeterSymonds>	You're quite odd.
May 01 23:38:22 <PeterSymonds>	Anyhow, good night.
May 01 23:38:23 *	PeterSymonds has quit (Quit: Leaving)
May 01 23:38:42 <Peter-C>	o.o
May 01 23:39:42 <MuZemike>	If you don't agree with it, it's censorship.
May 01 23:40:12 <MuZemike>	Ayn Rand should be rolling in her grave because of that.
May 01 23:40:50 <MuZemike>	Teh Truth: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=426965748&oldid=426458764
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May 01 23:42:54 *	sonia murders Peter-C
May 01 23:43:21 <Peter-C>	I love you too sonia :)
May 01 23:43:50 <sonia>	I want to write a rebuttal of like every post you've made, heh
May 01 23:44:03 <Peter-C>	:D
May 01 23:44:04 <Peter-C>	DO IT :D
May 01 23:44:15 <Logan_>	!admin please immediately semi [[Dubstep]] for an onslaught of IP vandalism
May 01 23:44:15 *	sonia has better things to do :P
May 01 23:44:33 <sonia>	how is everyone making those little ◊ shapes?
May 01 23:44:55 <Mono>	Where, sonia ?
May 01 23:45:03 <Mono>	â—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ
May 01 23:45:03 <Mono>	—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Š
May 01 23:45:05 <Logan_>	thanks Gfoley4
May 01 23:45:06 <Brian_S>	◊
May 01 23:45:07 <foks>	...
May 01 23:45:09 <Gfoley4>	Logan_: find the thread please
May 01 23:45:10 <Logan_>	Mono: ...
May 01 23:45:13 <Mono>	...
May 01 23:45:13 <Zamorak>	I guess copy pasting
May 01 23:45:26 <foks>	Also, they're called lozenges.
May 01 23:45:26 <sonia>	must be my  client then
May 01 23:45:30 <sonia>	Logan_: [22:44:15] Logan_ ◊ !admin please immediately semi [[Dubstep]] for an onslaught of IP vandalism
May 01 23:45:36 <sonia>	Mono: ^
May 01 23:45:43 <Gfoley4>	sonia: >:(
May 01 23:45:44 <Zamorak>	I think that's just your client
May 01 23:45:44 <Logan_>	sonia: you just repasted my admin flag :P
May 01 23:45:47 <Thehelpfulone>	sonia: don't repeat the post. :|
May 01 23:45:50 <Gfoley4>	you pinged ops again
May 01 23:45:51 <Thehelpfulone>	:P
May 01 23:45:53 <sonia>	I'm sorry :P
May 01 23:45:54 <Gfoley4>	*admins
May 01 23:45:58 *	mabdul has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/)
May 01 23:46:02 *	sonia trouts herself
May 01 23:46:26 <Myra>	Ayn Rand?
May 01 23:46:28 <Myra>	The eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher?
May 01 23:46:44 <Mono>	ops ≈ admins
May 01 23:47:49 *	sonia huggles Thehelpfulone
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May 01 23:48:53 <foks>	ops almost equal admins?
May 01 23:48:56 <foks>	huh
May 01 23:49:52 *	Fluff|away stumbles in
May 01 23:49:55 *	p858snake|l (~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 23:49:57 <Mono>	foks can read!
May 01 23:50:30 <foks>	But they ... don't?
May 01 23:50:57 <Mono>	Hence my point.
May 01 23:51:56 <foks>	The point that was incorrect, right
May 01 23:52:23 <Mono>	The point /clearly/ was not pointy.
May 01 23:52:32 *	sonia trouts both foks and Mono
May 01 23:53:49 *	Fluff|away huggles sonia
May 01 23:54:02 *	sonia huggles the away-but-not Fluff|away
May 01 23:54:33 *	Fluff|away just woke up from a two-hour nap. Ironholds is still dead to the world. I think we've managed to finally run out of gas.
May 01 23:54:45 *	FAdmArcher|away (~StarFleet@wikipedia/DeltaQuad) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 01 23:54:54 <Sunderland06>	Fluff|away: Ironholds is still at yours?
May 01 23:55:00 <Peter-C>	Fluff|away - show IH this - http://www.petercoti.com/2011/05/political_censorship_an_enemy_of_progress/
May 01 23:55:14 *	FAdmArcher|away is now known as FAdmArcher
May 01 23:55:18 <Fluff|away>	Sunderland06: he goes home tomorrow night
May 01 23:55:31 <Peter-C>	He'll have a heart attack and REALLY be dead :P
May 01 23:55:37 <Fluff|away>	Peter-C: yeah see if i want to wake him up, it's not going to be with something that makes him want to tear his hair out
May 01 23:56:09 <Peter-C>	You woke him up with your boobs, that must have scared the shit out of him
May 01 23:56:19 <Fluff|away>	...
May 01 23:56:28 <Fluff|away>	i don't believe i've woken him with my boobs at any point
May 01 23:56:42 <Peter-C>	But he said...
May 01 23:56:45 <Gfoley4>	o-o
May 01 23:56:47 <Prodego>	mrp, new topic
May 01 23:57:01 <Fluff|away>	heh
May 01 23:57:03 <Peter-C>	Good idea Prodego
May 01 23:57:09 <Peter-C>	Let's talk about how sexy I am!
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May 01 23:57:14 <Gfoley4>	no
May 01 23:57:16 <Peter-C>	BarkingFish agrees
May 01 23:57:18 <Fluff|away>	no
May 01 23:57:25 <Peter-C>	BarkingFish say yes
May 01 23:57:25 <Gfoley4>	there is nothing to talk about then
May 01 23:57:33 <Gfoley4>	because you aren't sexy :P
May 01 23:57:41 <Peter-C>	I am sexier than you fool
May 01 23:57:41 <BarkingFish>	Peter-C: What am I agreeing to?
May 01 23:57:49 <Peter-C>	To how sexy I am! :D
May 01 23:57:49 <sonia>	BarkingFish: that Peter is sexy, evidently
May 01 23:57:57 <BarkingFish>	...
May 01 23:58:07 <Peter-C>	^ not a no
May 01 23:58:24 <BarkingFish>	it's a "why the fuck am I being asked to comment on this"?
May 01 23:58:40 <Peter-C>	Because if you say yes I give you 5$'s
May 01 23:58:42 <Peter-C>	and a cookie
May 01 23:58:47 <Peter-C>	And Fluff|away
May 01 23:58:50 <sonia>	...
May 01 23:59:13 <BarkingFish>	bribery from a minor, to confirm they're sexy, when I'm 22 years older and gay....
May 01 23:59:22 <BarkingFish>	no fucking chance
May 01 23:59:34 <Peter-C>	haha
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May 02 00:00:16 <sonia>	BarkingFish: either way, he ain't, so :P
May 02 00:00:27 <Fluff|away>	wait, what?
May 02 00:03:35 <Mono>	There has to be a less pathetic channel than this, but it's probably called #wikipedia-en-pathetic
May 02 00:07:27 <Headbomb|Laptop>	better than #wikipedia-em-pathetic
May 02 00:07:33 <Waithamai>	cu
May 02 00:07:36 *	Waithamai (~Waithamai@wikipedia/Waithamai) has left #wikipedia-en ("life was so simple then, we were so innocent; it will stay with us forever, a nightmare to remember.")
May 02 00:08:38 <Mono>	hey Sven_Manguard
May 02 00:10:11 <geniice>	Mono actualy it's #wikipedia-en-admins it's very refined
May 02 00:10:37 <slakr>	except when it's in cybersex mode
May 02 00:10:51 <Sven_Manguard>	The most patheic channel in the family is #wikipedia-en-help
May 02 00:10:57 <Gfoley4>	Mono: no that's #wikipedia
May 02 00:11:01 <Gfoley4>	no one ever talks
May 02 00:11:09 <Sven_Manguard>	No, the silnece is good
May 02 00:11:21 <Sven_Manguard>	in -help people beyond saving come in and depress you
May 02 00:11:28 *	sonia smiles
May 02 00:11:29 <Gfoley4>	ha
May 02 00:11:36 *	Joe|Busy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
May 02 00:12:07 <Sven_Manguard>	"hi, why did that article on my band get deleted? My mom wrote it up on her blog"
May 02 00:14:06 *	Tanvir has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
May 02 00:14:20 <slakr>	"no, being 12 and winning your middle school's talent competition doesn't mean you get an encyclopedia article."
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May 02 00:14:26 <MauchoEagle>	you know the patheticism of a channel is only because of the pathetic user on it
May 02 00:14:40 <sonia>	slakr: actually got one like that OSed the other day
May 02 00:15:01 <slakr>	sonia: say it ain't so!
May 02 00:15:20 <slakr>	how will the world function without that valuable chunk of knowledge
May 02 00:15:30 <slakr>	:P
May 02 00:16:16 <sonia>	:P
May 02 00:16:33 <MauchoEagle>	question does anyone think it is degrading to post the userrights that you have on your userpage
May 02 00:16:35 <MauchoEagle>	?
May 02 00:16:50 <MauchoEagle>	I mean the user rights you have on every wiki
May 02 00:17:13 <Andrevan>	degrading?
May 02 00:17:28 <slakr>	MauchoEagle's been trolling about user pages for a while
May 02 00:17:35 *	DeltaQuad (~DeltaQuad@wikipedia/DeltaQuad) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 00:17:56 <sonia>	MauchoEagle: do what you please
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May 02 00:18:30 <MauchoEagle>	no I want to see why this user is making such a big deal about it
May 02 00:18:43 <slakr>	then ask him
May 02 00:18:56 <slakr>	use his talk page or email him
May 02 00:19:01 <foks>	uh, you mean a matrix
May 02 00:19:08 <slakr>	if the user page is inappropriate, ask for it to be deleted at [[WP:MFD]]
May 02 00:19:09 <foks>	A lot of users have them.
May 02 00:19:25 <Sven_Manguard>	this just in.... "?"
May 02 00:19:28 <Gfoley4>	he is talking about user:Hazard-SJ
May 02 00:19:59 <MauchoEagle>	yes thats what I am talking about Gfoley
May 02 00:20:04 <Gfoley4>	ik
May 02 00:20:06 <slakr>	what about him?
May 02 00:20:17 <slakr>	I see nothing glaringly Wrong about the page
May 02 00:20:20 <MauchoEagle>	I dont see what the hell the problem is
May 02 00:20:22 <sonia>	Hazard is a silly billy, but what he does is his problem
May 02 00:20:28 <slakr>	then ignore it
May 02 00:21:38 <Sven_Manguard>	I see the issue
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May 02 00:22:45 <slakr>	oh you're saying that people have an issue with the "on other wikis" part?
May 02 00:23:03 <Sven_Manguard>	no
May 02 00:23:14 <slakr>	then?
May 02 00:23:20 <Sven_Manguard>	it's a personal issue for me
May 02 00:23:24 <Sven_Manguard>	not anything real
May 02 00:23:36 *	CKtravel__ (~CKtravel@adsl-dyn-131.95-102-180.t-com.sk) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 00:23:40 <Sven_Manguard>	I think his page is too godawful busy
May 02 00:23:47 <Sven_Manguard>	also the RC patroller badge is a bit much
May 02 00:23:53 <Sven_Manguard>	but nothing serious
May 02 00:24:00 <slakr>	hey I have the rc patroller badge! :P
May 02 00:24:21 <Sven_Manguard>	and that's why no one will ever love you
May 02 00:24:34 <slakr>	sweet
May 02 00:24:37 *	Fluff|away blinks
May 02 00:24:38 <slakr>	I'm only in it for the sex.
May 02 00:24:42 *	Fluff|away blinks harder
May 02 00:24:42 *	slakr chuckles
May 02 00:24:50 *	Fluff|away huddles in the corner, hiding from the scary people
May 02 00:24:56 <Sven_Manguard>	he he
May 02 00:24:59 <Sven_Manguard>	he eh
May 02 00:25:03 *	sonia hugs Fluff|away
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May 02 00:25:21 *	Fluff|away hugs sonia. So tired.
May 02 00:25:49 *	sonia pat pats Fluff|away , gives her hot chocolate
May 02 00:26:40 <Fluff|away>	fewd time
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May 02 00:29:24 <Sven_Manguard>	feud?
May 02 00:29:42 *	Sven_Manguard challenges Fluff|away to a battle
May 02 00:29:58 *	Sven_Manguard rolls for initiative
May 02 00:30:37 *	Logan_ throws a whale at Sven_Manguard 
May 02 00:30:50 *	Sven_Manguard rolls reflex save
May 02 00:30:56 *	Sven_Manguard dodges whale
May 02 00:31:43 *	Sven_Manguard casts fireball at Logan, dealing 20d6 damage (save for half)
May 02 00:33:33 *	MauchoEagle shoots Sven Mangaurd
May 02 00:33:41 <Sven_Manguard>	with what?
May 02 00:33:49 <Sven_Manguard>	bow, sling, crossbow, spell?
May 02 00:34:00 <MauchoEagle>	gun
May 02 00:34:11 <Sven_Manguard>	does not exist
May 02 00:35:41 <Sven_Manguard>	meh
May 02 00:35:48 <Peter-C>	Happy international workers day!
May 02 00:35:53 *	Douche (~Douche@wikimedia/Zalgo) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 00:35:57 *	Sven_Manguard casts imprison on MauchoEagle
May 02 00:36:14 *	Sven_Manguard casts fireball at Douche, surprise attack
May 02 00:36:17 *	Douche casts a rainbow spell.
May 02 00:36:27 <Sven_Manguard>	which one?
May 02 00:36:29 *	Sceptre has quit (Quit: There's a battle outside and it is ragin'. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls for the times they are a-changin')
May 02 00:36:30 <Peter-C>	Sven_Manguard does not like international workers day :(
May 02 00:36:33 <Douche>	a DOUBLE RAINBOW APPEARS!
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May 02 00:37:03 <Sven_Manguard>	Douche used "tired meme"
May 02 00:37:08 <Sven_Manguard>	Douche fails as a person!
May 02 00:37:18 <Douche>	:o
May 02 00:37:47 *	Douche performs the FUCK ritual on Sven_Manguard 
May 02 00:38:00 *	Sven_Manguard is an illithid, nice try though
May 02 00:38:25 <Logan_>	Sven_Manguard: your friend Sophiie is in #wikipedia-en :P
May 02 00:38:29 <Sven_Manguard>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid
May 02 00:38:35 <Logan_>	*#wikipedia
May 02 00:38:43 <Logan_>	*#wikimedia
May 02 00:38:44 <Logan_>	oops
May 02 00:39:01 <Logan_>	the last one :P
May 02 00:39:01 <Sven_Manguard>	Logan_: I don't care, and she's not my friend, "she's" a pervert permabanned by ArbCom
May 02 00:39:37 <Logan_>	"We're all just as confused as you are. Hope this gets sorted out soon!"
May 02 00:39:39 <Logan_>	:P
May 02 00:39:42 <Douche>	:P
May 02 00:39:49 <Sven_Manguard>	yeah
May 02 00:39:52 <Sven_Manguard>	that was day 1
May 02 00:39:59 <Sven_Manguard>	this lasted for weeks you know
May 02 00:40:03 *	sonia hugs Sven_Manguard
May 02 00:40:12 <Sven_Manguard>	:D
May 02 00:40:14 <Sven_Manguard>	:D
May 02 00:40:33 <Douche>	in what way she was perverted
May 02 00:40:52 <sonia>	Douche: let's end this conversation here; Soph has wasted too many editor hours already
May 02 00:40:53 <Sven_Manguard>	that "she" is a college student pretending to be a 13 year old girl
May 02 00:41:02 <Logan_>	that's...creepy
May 02 00:41:07 <Douche>	too creppy
May 02 00:41:10 <Douche>	i agree
May 02 00:41:10 <Sven_Manguard>	yes
May 02 00:41:13 <Sven_Manguard>	hence the ban
May 02 00:41:18 <Douche>	let's stfu
May 02 00:41:21 <Sven_Manguard>	now, per sonia, moving on
May 02 00:41:25 <Logan_>	heh
May 02 00:41:26 <sonia>	thank you.
May 02 00:41:33 *	Douche huggles sonia 
May 02 00:41:39 *	Logan_ throws his other whale at sonia
May 02 00:41:47 *	sonia sells the whale on eBay
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May 02 00:42:13 <Logan_>	omai
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May 02 00:43:39 *	Douche starts a troll.
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May 02 00:44:27 *	Gfoley4 is now known as Gfoley|AFK
May 02 00:44:37 *	Peter-C licks Douche
May 02 00:44:47 *	Douche is septic thank you.
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May 02 00:44:59 *	Seahorse_ is now known as Seahorse
May 02 00:45:32 *	Douche is listening to California Dreamin' (Tek-House Extended) by Royal Gigolos from Best of Royal Gigolos (✮✮✮✮✮)
May 02 00:45:32 <Peter-C>	O_o
May 02 00:45:39 *	Peter-C jumps on Douche's stomach
May 02 00:45:56 *	Douche puts Peter-C on fire.
May 02 00:46:18 *	barts1a puts out the fire
May 02 00:46:21 <barts1a>	eh, habit
May 02 00:46:56 *	Peter-C hugs barts1a
May 02 00:47:00 *	Peter-C spams barts1a
May 02 00:47:02 <Peter-C>	    Soyuz nyerushimyiy ryespublik svobodnyikh
May 02 00:47:02 <Peter-C>	    Splotila navyeki Vyelikaya Rus’.
May 02 00:47:02 <Peter-C>	    Da zdravstvuyet sozdannyiy volyey narodov
May 02 00:47:02 <Peter-C>	    Yedinyiy, moguchiy Sovyetskiy Soyuz!
May 02 00:47:13 <barts1a>	umm... english plz?
May 02 00:47:19 <Peter-C>	USSR anthem!
May 02 00:47:26 <Peter-C>	HAPPY INTERNATIONAL WORKERS DAY!
May 02 00:47:34 <Peter-C>	I got you a gift
May 02 00:47:43 *	Peter-C hands barts1a a lot of papers
May 02 00:47:45 <Peter-C>	MORE WORK! :D
May 02 00:47:50 *	Headbomb|Laptop has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
May 02 00:47:55 *	barts1a throws the papers into the fire
May 02 00:47:58 <barts1a>	NEXT!
May 02 00:48:01 <Peter-C>	Comred!
May 02 00:48:02 <Sven_Manguard>	barts1a: since I can't hear half the conversation, you must be talking to Peter. Don't ask for English, sense, or intelligence there
May 02 00:48:05 <Peter-C>	What have you done!
May 02 00:48:22 <Peter-C>	Sven_Manguard can hear words?
May 02 00:48:23 <barts1a>	Yeah. Peter-C
May 02 00:48:40 <Peter-C>	How can Sven_Manguard hear words that are typed O_o
May 02 00:48:59 <barts1a>	<Peter-C> Sven_Manguard can hear words?
May 02 00:49:00 <barts1a>	<Peter-C> How can Sven_Manguard hear words that are typed O_o
May 02 00:49:29 <Sven_Manguard>	barts1a: if you parrot him, I'll mute you too
May 02 00:49:45 <barts1a>	ok
May 02 00:49:45 <Peter-C>	*parrot his words
May 02 00:49:50 <Peter-C>	That would be a better phrase >_>
May 02 00:49:52 <Sven_Manguard>	thanks
May 02 00:50:21 *	BarkingFish has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
May 02 00:50:44 <sonia>	gah
May 02 00:50:48 <sonia>	I've made so many fails today
May 02 00:50:54 *	sonia probably shouldn't be editing
May 02 00:51:16 <Peter-C>	Are you drink or something?
May 02 00:51:21 *	barts1a gives sonia a reccommendation of coffee
May 02 00:51:29 <sonia>	not drunk, Peter-C, no
May 02 00:51:44 <Peter-C>	did you not have enough booze?
May 02 00:51:49 <sonia>	screen reader + huggle = epic fail
May 02 00:51:54 *	Douche is listening to Dégénérations by Mes Aïeux from En famille (✮✮✮✮✮)
May 02 00:52:07 *	barts1a kicks Douche in the balls
May 02 00:52:16 <Douche>	No french?
May 02 00:52:31 <Peter-C>	En
May 02 00:52:31 <Douche>	How about a legendary montrealer?
May 02 00:52:31 <barts1a>	no listening to spam
May 02 00:52:33 <Peter-C>	not Fr
May 02 00:52:33 *	Douche is listening to Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen from The Essential Leonard Cohen (✮✮✮✮✮)
May 02 00:52:44 <sonia>	Douche: please stop
May 02 00:52:49 <barts1a>	Please stop the listnening to spam
May 02 00:52:49 <Douche>	okay
May 02 00:52:53 *	Douche huggles barts1a 
May 02 00:52:55 *	Douche huggles sonia 
May 02 00:53:00 <Peter-C>	I WANT A HUGGLE
May 02 00:53:01 <Peter-C>	>:(
May 02 00:53:16 *	Mono un-huggles Peter-C
May 02 00:53:18 *	barts1a wants a giant battle robot
May 02 00:53:22 *	Douche gets in a hazmat suit
May 02 00:53:25 *	Douche huggles Peter-C 
May 02 00:53:26 *	MauchoEagle kicks Peter-C
May 02 00:53:38 *	Peter-C licks Douche
May 02 00:53:40 <geniice>	and I want hypersonic kinetic kill shots guess we both have to be dissapointed
May 02 00:53:43 *	Douche gets in the decontamination chamber and gets decontaminated.
May 02 00:53:53 *	Peter-C watches his acid saliva corod through the decon suit
May 02 00:53:53 *	Douche burns the hazmat suit.
May 02 00:54:11 <Peter-C>	*corods
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May 02 00:54:17 <sonia>	*corrode
May 02 00:54:23 <Peter-C>	I KNEW THAT
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May 02 00:54:26 *	Peter-C eats the librarian
May 02 00:55:00 *	barts1a goes into his zombie-proof house and folds it up into concrete block form http://geeksofdoom.com/2011/04/30/must-see-what-your-zombie-proof-house-should-look-like/
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May 02 00:56:39 <geniice>	no this is what your zombie proof house should like like
May 02 00:57:04 <geniice>	the victorians may have been a bit backwards but they knew their anti zombie defences
May 02 00:57:08 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Horse_Sand_Fort_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1087244.jpg
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May 02 00:57:32 <barts1a>	but it's also isolated
May 02 00:57:59 <barts1a>	if you want to live a normal life until the zombie outbreak; the house I linked to is your best bet
May 02 00:58:00 <Douche>	barts1a: where are you from?
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May 02 00:58:09 <barts1a>	Australia
May 02 00:58:19 <Douche>	Niiiiiiiice!
May 02 00:58:27 <Douche>	And a good morning mate!
May 02 00:58:32 <barts1a>	I don't own that house though
May 02 00:58:47 *	Douche is now known as derp
May 02 00:59:38 *	derp is from Montreal, Canada.
May 02 01:00:11 <MauchoEagle>	derp do you sometimes wish you ouldnt vote in elections
May 02 01:00:15 <MauchoEagle>	*couldnt
May 02 01:00:32 <barts1a>	voting is mandatory here too
May 02 01:00:34 <derp>	meh, i'm not THAT interestedin schol elections.
May 02 01:00:38 <MauchoEagle>	My fiance is erking me about voting for the liberals
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May 02 01:00:49 <derp>	NDP here
May 02 01:00:50 <derp>	:P
May 02 01:01:16 <MauchoEagle>	NDP
May 02 01:01:18 <MauchoEagle>	dude they suck
May 02 01:01:18 <barts1a>	Liberal or Labour; eitherway we're fucked
May 02 01:01:24 <barts1a>	*Labir
May 02 01:01:26 <derp>	or the Bloc
May 02 01:01:27 <barts1a>	**Labor
May 02 01:01:28 <derp>	:)
May 02 01:01:33 *	barts1a gets a coffee
May 02 01:01:39 <derp>	what's your riding?
May 02 01:01:42 <geniice>	vote for the empire party
May 02 01:01:53 <MauchoEagle>	Oh yea getting those people from Quebec
May 02 01:02:00 <MauchoEagle>	seriously
May 02 01:02:16 <MauchoEagle>	I was born in Canada and dont know french
May 02 01:02:24 <MauchoEagle>	and cant understand the accent
May 02 01:02:29 <derp>	I live in a Bloc stronghold.
May 02 01:02:38 <MauchoEagle>	ohhhhhhh
May 02 01:02:48 <geniice>	vote empire. Reunification with britian for Canada and genocide for quebec
May 02 01:03:57 <Sven_Manguard>	is the zombie house airtight
May 02 01:04:15 <barts1a>	I don't think so
May 02 01:04:36 <barts1a>	but zombies shouldn't be able to use neurotoxin anyway... right?
May 02 01:04:36 <MauchoEagle>	Empire party
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May 02 01:04:42 <MauchoEagle>	seriously again
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May 02 01:04:55 <Sven_Manguard>	what if the zombie virus is airbourne?
May 02 01:05:03 <MauchoEagle>	wouldnt vote them in if they were the last party to vote for
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May 02 01:05:57 <barts1a>	if it's airbourne then whoever is in that house is probably screwed
May 02 01:06:03 <Sven_Manguard>	yep
May 02 01:06:08 <Sven_Manguard>	the one oversight
May 02 01:06:27 <barts1a>	but at least the house looks good
May 02 01:06:29 <Sven_Manguard>	although something tells me that the owner of that house is more afraid of Putin than zombies
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May 02 01:07:07 <barts1a>	The owner did say that they wanted the feeling of security
May 02 01:07:15 <Sven_Manguard>	if I were anywhere in Europe I'd be scared of Putin
May 02 01:08:04 <MauchoEagle>	Why?
May 02 01:08:16 <Sven_Manguard>	he's an autocrat with nukes
May 02 01:10:02 <MauchoEagle>	and that is bad why?
May 02 01:10:18 <MauchoEagle>	not all autocrats are power-crazy
May 02 01:10:23 <Sven_Manguard>	Putin is
May 02 01:10:29 <Sven_Manguard>	He went to war with Georgia
May 02 01:10:43 <Sven_Manguard>	he rewrote Russia's constitution to stay in power
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May 02 01:11:22 <MauchoEagle>	I am sure there was a reason for that war which for some reason I have never heard about
May 02 01:11:38 <geniice>	in fairness  Georgia went war with Putin (okey and the rest of russia)
May 02 01:12:05 <MauchoEagle>	but the constitution rewrite would make any person uneasy
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May 02 01:15:36 <Logan_>	Sven_Manguard: <Sophiie> ok ill ask again, is anyone a parent?
May 02 01:15:42 <Logan_>	creeper...
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May 02 01:17:39 <derp>	:o
May 02 01:17:40 <Sven_Manguard>	!ops Sophiie (in #wikipedia) needs to be kicked from any Wikipedia channels upon sight. Consider this a top level emergency. The issue involves ArbCom, and possibly the police. PM me for details.
May 02 01:17:46 <derp>	the simpsos are going to spoof jersey shore
May 02 01:17:46 <derp>	lol
May 02 01:17:52 <Logan_>	holy...
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May 02 01:18:07 <slakr>	why?
May 02 01:18:13 <FAdmArcher>	umm...
May 02 01:18:28 <FAdmArcher>	I know some background not willing at this point
May 02 01:18:30 <slakr>	how on earth can irc be an emergency?
May 02 01:18:43 <FAdmArcher>	Blocks != IRC bans
May 02 01:18:46 <foks>	Oh Sven
May 02 01:18:46 <derp>	Sven_Manguard: pvt
May 02 01:18:47 <Logan_>	Sven_Manguard: that quote was from #freenode
May 02 01:18:55 <Logan_>	but she's still in #wikimedia
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May 02 01:19:36 <FAdmArcher>	oh wai... #wikimedia, i'm not even an op there
May 02 01:19:38 <FAdmArcher>	:P
May 02 01:19:45 <slakr>	I fail to see the urgency.
May 02 01:20:11 <FAdmArcher>	agreed though ^^
May 02 01:20:23 *	Isarra is now known as Shavaku
May 02 01:20:25 <barts1a>	Background needed
May 02 01:21:00 <Logan_>	This issue is now being discussed internally.  End of discussion.
May 02 01:21:34 <foks>	bizarre.
May 02 01:21:36 *	slon02 frowns
May 02 01:21:41 <slon02>	"How do you get a boyfriend" was just deleted under G2
May 02 01:21:58 <slon02>	I have very strong doubts that it was a test page
May 02 01:22:04 <foks>	So the ops at -en were pinged over something... that didn't actually affect them in any way
May 02 01:22:59 <foks>	On a vaguely-related note - anyone speak Malay?
May 02 01:24:08 <MauchoEagle>	I somewhat speak it but I suck at it
May 02 01:24:46 <foks>	oh
May 02 01:24:48 <foks>	:D
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May 02 01:26:26 <foks>	keresopoakau
May 02 01:26:34 <foks>	Is in Malay and has no spaces.
May 02 01:26:36 <foks>	):
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May 02 01:27:10 <foks>	I understand "kere" and "kau" mean "to train" and "you", afaik
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May 02 01:29:50 <MauchoEagle>	Could it mean You train so P.O.A.
May 02 01:30:15 <MauchoEagle>	that makes no sense
May 02 01:31:19 <MauchoEagle>	Its above me
May 02 01:32:30 <sonia>	MauchoEagle: anda bercakap melayu?
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May 02 01:32:58 <Myra>	!ops omggggggggggggg
May 02 01:33:10 <Logan_>	Myra: ...
May 02 01:33:10 <MauchoEagle>	Sedikit
May 02 01:33:15 <slakr>	omfggg!
May 02 01:33:24 *	slakr goes batcrap insane with Myra
May 02 01:33:30 <Logan_>	oh ma geeeeeeez
May 02 01:33:31 *	SpitfireWP takes photos.
May 02 01:33:47 <sonia>	MauchoEagle: malaysian?
May 02 01:34:25 <MauchoEagle>	what do you mean by that
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May 02 01:35:04 <MauchoEagle>	If you mean if I speak malaysian then...
May 02 01:35:06 <MauchoEagle>	i didnt hanya memberitahu anda bahawa
May 02 01:35:34 <sonia>	are you Malaysian,  I mean.
May 02 01:35:55 <sonia>	malaysian isn't exactly a language :p
May 02 01:35:56 <MauchoEagle>	no
May 02 01:36:05 <MauchoEagle>	I am Canadian
May 02 01:36:16 *	sonia smiles
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May 02 01:36:37 <MauchoEagle>	Malay is just a language I picked up on a trip
May 02 01:36:53 <MauchoEagle>	never really explored it that much
May 02 01:36:59 <sonia>	ah, 'k.
May 02 01:37:14 <geniice>	wait goldeneye is now considered retro?
May 02 01:37:22 <foks>	Yes.
May 02 01:37:28 <foks>	Bloddy hell, SSX is
May 02 01:37:36 <foks>	young whippersnappers
May 02 01:37:46 <MauchoEagle>	How did you get to learn malay?
May 02 01:37:59 <MauchoEagle>	Bagaimana anda boleh belajar melayu?
May 02 01:38:16 <MauchoEagle>	sorry I just started typing
May 02 01:38:23 <MauchoEagle>	meant to type that in malay
May 02 01:39:08 <sonia>	MauchoEagle: my father grew up in Malaysia.
May 02 01:39:29 <MauchoEagle>	oh
May 02 01:39:30 <Headbomb>	sonia: have you seen his birth certificate?
May 02 01:39:32 <Headbomb>	the long version?
May 02 01:39:34 *	derp huggles sonia
May 02 01:39:39 <sonia>	Headbomb: wha?
May 02 01:39:47 <foks>	hahah
May 02 01:39:54 <foks>	topical reference, I like it
May 02 01:40:00 <MauchoEagle>	For the sake of curiosity, were you born in malaysia
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May 02 01:40:11 <Headbomb>	nvmind, if you don't get it, you're lucky
May 02 01:40:11 <sonia>	also, MauchoEagle, malay sounds bizarre through a screen reader
May 02 01:40:17 <sonia>	MauchoEagle: no.
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May 02 01:43:50 <MauchoEagle>	sonia:do you watch george lopez
May 02 01:44:14 <sonia>	...no?
May 02 01:44:43 <MauchoEagle>	I am watching this episode...
May 02 01:44:52 <MauchoEagle>	hes singing a song...
May 02 01:45:17 <MauchoEagle>	Sonia, call you on the phonia, take you home and make you monia
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May 02 01:46:55 <sonia>	lolwut
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May 02 01:47:45 <MauchoEagle>	sonia
May 02 01:47:48 <MauchoEagle>	call you on the phone
May 02 01:47:56 <MauchoEagle>	take you hame and make you moan
May 02 01:48:11 <MauchoEagle>	thats what george said not me
May 02 01:48:22 <MauchoEagle>	just for reference
May 02 01:48:23 <SpitfireWP>	MauchoEagle, can I help you?
May 02 01:48:41 <MauchoEagle>	and you mean that by?
May 02 01:48:49 <SpitfireWP>	... into this straight-jacket? :D
May 02 01:48:52 *	SpitfireWP winks.
May 02 01:48:56 <Logan_>	MauchoEagle: He wants to take you home and make you moan.
May 02 01:48:59 <Logan_>	;)
May 02 01:49:00 <sonia>	I got the point MauchoEagle :P
May 02 01:49:15 <SpitfireWP>	Well, this is embarrassing. Thanks Logan_. :(
May 02 01:49:17 <Logan_>	hehe
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May 02 01:49:34 *	MauchoEagle shuts his mouth
May 02 01:49:44 <Logan_>	'Twould be wise.
May 02 01:51:01 *	slakr is now playing applause.mp3
May 02 01:51:05 <slakr>	:P
May 02 01:51:39 <MauchoEagle>	would http://www.soccerway.com/teams/el-salvador/el-salvador/matches/ be an up-to-standard reference in an article
May 02 01:53:13 <zscout370>	I would say so
May 02 01:53:18 <MauchoEagle>	also would an article in the Canadian encyclopedia be a good ref
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May 02 02:19:58 <Sven_Manguard>	I need an admin with a bit of time on their hands
May 02 02:20:04 <Sven_Manguard>	or a nuke
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May 02 02:20:22 <Sven_Manguard>	actually I just need a nuke
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May 02 02:20:27 <geniice>	[[special:nuke]]
May 02 02:20:41 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nuke
May 02 02:20:50 <Sven_Manguard>	I can't read that
May 02 02:21:01 <geniice>	This tool allows for mass deletions of pages recently added by a given user or an IP address. Input the username or IP address to get a list of pages to delete.
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May 02 02:27:54 <Guerillero>	what did someone upload sven
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May 02 02:28:26 <Sven_Manguard>	Guerillero: half a hundred redundant copyrighted logos
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May 02 02:28:58 <Guerillero>	Oh fun
May 02 02:29:13 <Sven_Manguard>	Courcelles handled it.
May 02 02:29:13 <Guerillero>	I wish I could provide your nuke
May 02 02:29:21 <Guerillero>	ok
May 02 02:29:23 <Sven_Manguard>	Three cheers for Courcelles
May 02 02:29:28 <Guerillero>	:D
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May 02 02:29:50 <Sven_Manguard>	:D
May 02 02:29:57 <Gfoley4>	yep, he used nuke
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May 02 02:30:26 *	sonia nukes Sven_Manguard.
May 02 02:30:28 <Sven_Manguard>	he used rollback all, he said
May 02 02:31:14 <Guerillero>	oh my
May 02 02:31:52 <Gfoley4>	rollback all? probably some script
May 02 02:32:25 <Elockid>	omg. I did  not know there was a Special:Nuke
May 02 02:32:39 <Elockid>	that would have been so helpful at times
May 02 02:32:41 <sonia>	lol Elockid.
May 02 02:32:42 <Dragonfly6-7>	Elockid - it deletes all pages created by (user) within the past 720 hours
May 02 02:33:39 <Elockid>	thanks for the info
May 02 02:34:22 <Sven_Manguard>	it also says "Nuclear Launch Detected" like from Starcraft
May 02 02:34:41 <Sven_Manguard>	Irradiate me baby!
May 02 02:35:00 *	Sven_Manguard vulgar thrusts some plutonium
May 02 02:35:02 <KFP>	Sven_Manguard: You wouldn't want that.
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May 02 02:35:14 <KFP>	Really.
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May 02 02:37:19 <Peter-C>	Huh
May 02 02:37:29 <Peter-C>	According to my friend a girl can punch me int he balls
May 02 02:37:37 <Peter-C>	But I can't punch a girl in the boob
May 02 02:37:41 <Peter-C>	o.o
May 02 02:37:46 <Gfoley4>	but you can't punch in the boob?
May 02 02:37:46 <Gfoley4>	wow
May 02 02:37:47 <Gfoley4>	{{ec}}
May 02 02:38:02 <Gfoley4>	we think a like
May 02 02:38:18 <quanticle>	Peter-C: What about kicks?
May 02 02:38:26 <Peter-C>	Not that either
May 02 02:38:43 <Peter-C>	Gfoley4 - http://www.petercoti.com/2011/05/political_censorship_an_enemy_of_progress/ :D
May 02 02:38:48 *	Peter-C glomps Gfoley4
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May 02 02:39:37 <Gfoley4>	ohh, you redesigned it
May 02 02:39:49 <Peter-C>	I know :D
May 02 02:39:51 <Gfoley4>	haha, like the pic
May 02 02:39:52 <Peter-C>	I hate it :|
May 02 02:39:54 <Gfoley4>	:D
May 02 02:39:57 <Peter-C>	(I like the pic though)
May 02 02:39:59 <Peter-C>	I have the design
May 02 02:40:07 <Peter-C>	I'm going to buy a new one soon :/
May 02 02:40:22 <Peter-C>	FYI: I made the pic :)
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May 02 02:44:09 <Peter-C>	BasketOfPuppies :D
May 02 02:44:12 <BasketOfPuppies>	hi
May 02 02:44:12 <Peter-C>	OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
May 02 02:44:17 *	Peter-C massivly glomps the BasketOfPuppies
May 02 02:44:25 *	Peter-C cuddles all of the puppies
May 02 02:44:31 <Peter-C>	Where have you been mister >:(
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May 02 02:45:57 <sonia>	oh look, a BasketOfPuppies
May 02 02:46:32 <Guerillero>	Hey BOP
May 02 02:46:44 <BasketOfPuppies>	hi
May 02 02:47:29 <quanticle>	Hey, its sonia.
May 02 02:47:30 *	Elockid is now known as Elockid|afk
May 02 02:47:31 <quanticle>	What's up?
May 02 02:47:40 *	YouLeMacaroni (~YouLeMaca@cpe-66-65-5-78.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 02:47:57 *	sonia waves at quanticle
May 02 02:47:59 *	Fluff|sleep is now known as Fluffernutter
May 02 02:48:04 <Peter-C>	Fluffernutter!
May 02 02:48:09 <Peter-C>	Fluffernutter - http://www.petercoti.com/2011/05/political_censorship_an_enemy_of_progress/ - show IH
May 02 02:49:49 *	dungodung|away is now known as dungodung
May 02 02:50:01 <Peter-C>	Fluffernutter - do you like the chem plant article?
May 02 02:50:01 <Fluffernutter>	do i have to?
May 02 02:50:06 <Fluffernutter>	"chem plant article"?
May 02 02:50:18 <Peter-C>	Woops...
May 02 02:50:30 <Peter-C>	Wrong person....
May 02 02:50:33 <Fluffernutter>	oi, Ironholds, Peter-C wants you to eviscerate his latest blog post
May 02 02:50:34 <Peter-C>	Yes you have to
May 02 02:50:34 <Peter-C>	Scare IH
May 02 02:50:38 <Peter-C>	^
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May 02 02:54:02 <Peter-C>	Someone noticed me! :D https://twitter.com/#!/FreeTheInternet/status/64837913548042240
May 02 02:54:03 <Peter-C>	:D
May 02 02:54:57 <Fluffernutter>	um, they're RTing anything that mentions "censorship"
May 02 02:55:18 <Peter-C>	>_>
May 02 02:55:21 <Peter-C>	shush
May 02 02:55:25 *	Peter-C kicks Fluffernutter in the balls
May 02 02:55:28 <sonia>	...
May 02 02:55:32 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 02 02:55:35 <geniice>	I'm sure this channel has rules about spamming
May 02 02:56:03 <Peter-C>	Yes
May 02 02:56:12 <Peter-C>	But they are suspended if you know who to bribe
May 02 02:56:39 <Fluffernutter>	Peter-C: do you really want me to go poke IH and have him tell you all about whether i have balls or not? because i'm thinking you don't need that sort of trauma in your life
May 02 02:56:43 *	mikemoral|away is now known as mikemoral
May 02 02:57:00 *	sonia boggles at Fluffernutter
May 02 02:57:02 <Peter-C>	^
May 02 02:57:49 *	Fluffernutter smiles
May 02 02:57:54 *	Zamorak (~Zamorak@wikia/ZamorakO-o) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 02:57:56 <Fluffernutter>	i like having the nuclear option available
May 02 02:57:58 <Fluffernutter>	it shuts him up quickly
May 02 02:58:27 <Ironholds>	the nuclear option would surely be an mp4 of us doing the nasty
May 02 02:58:34 <Fluffernutter>	...ewwww
May 02 02:58:56 <Peter-C>	I think it would be a GREAT film if neither of you were in it
May 02 02:59:03 <Fluffernutter>	...ewwwwwwwww
May 02 02:59:12 <Peter-C>	I think me and my hand should make an mp4
May 02 02:59:25 *	Peter-C goes to make a music video
May 02 02:59:39 <Sunderland06>	Peter-C: Please say it is you punching yourself repeatedly.
May 02 02:59:47 *	Peter-C hand models
May 02 03:00:03 <Peter-C>	Nope, it is be living life to the fullest
May 02 03:00:06 <Peter-C>	And being happy!
May 02 03:00:10 <Peter-C>	Rainbows and unicorns!
May 02 03:00:42 <Sven_Manguard>	anyone here speak spanish?
May 02 03:01:20 <BasketOfPuppies>	no sir, i don't
May 02 03:01:46 <Fluffernutter>	i can fake it, Sven_Manguard, depending on how competent a speaker you need
May 02 03:01:57 <BasketOfPuppies>	me gusta los tacos verdes
May 02 03:01:59 <BasketOfPuppies>	that's about it
May 02 03:02:01 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to eir
May 02 03:02:02 *	eir removes ban on *!*@69.174.249.7
May 02 03:02:02 *	eir removes channel operator status from eir
May 02 03:02:11 <Sven_Manguard>	I need someone to go to es.Wiki and see if their Featured Sounds program is active
May 02 03:02:44 <Logan_>	Prodego: Did you just...block yourself?
May 02 03:02:50 <Prodego>	yes, yes I did
May 02 03:02:54 <BasketOfPuppies>	O.o
May 02 03:02:57 <sonia>	...
May 02 03:03:00 <Logan_>	Prodego: Was that an accident?
May 02 03:03:11 *	Zamorak has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
May 02 03:03:15 <Prodego>	nope, I was doing all that vandalism so I blocked myself
May 02 03:03:20 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 02 03:03:25 <Logan_>	O_O
May 02 03:03:35 <Sven_Manguard>	O_o
May 02 03:03:46 <Peter-C>	Erm...
May 02 03:03:50 <Peter-C>	I'm gonna join in
May 02 03:03:52 <Peter-C>	O_O
May 02 03:03:55 <Logan_>	Prodego: is it that ANI thread?
May 02 03:03:56 <Sven_Manguard>	wheel war!
May 02 03:04:27 <Logan_>	Prodego: Courcelles just unblocked you
May 02 03:04:34 <Logan_>	and Gfoley4
May 02 03:04:35 <Sven_Manguard>	block him again
May 02 03:04:39 <Logan_>	:P
May 02 03:04:39 <Sven_Manguard>	wheel war!
May 02 03:04:52 *	MC8 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
May 02 03:05:21 <Sven_Manguard>	I wanna see a wheel war over an accidental block...
May 02 03:05:29 <Fluffernutter>	wtf is going on
May 02 03:05:43 <Sven_Manguard>	the internet is going down
May 02 03:05:46 <Sven_Manguard>	in flames
May 02 03:05:59 <Gfoley4>	Fluffernutter: "MrFishBot: Prodego blocked User:Prodego (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite: [[WP:VAND|Vandalism]]; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:log/block"
May 02 03:06:17 <sonia>	Prodego now has two admin accounts.
May 02 03:06:22 <sonia>	He doesn't need the first so he's discarding it.
May 02 03:06:25 <Gfoley4>	;o
May 02 03:06:27 <Logan_>	wha?
May 02 03:06:35 *	Gfoley4 discards sonia and Peter-C
May 02 03:07:07 <Logan_>	Prodego: Explanation, please?
May 02 03:09:16 <Logan_>	oh, I get it
May 02 03:09:19 <SpitfireWP>	Logan_, he's a mass sockpuppeteer with multiple personality disorder.
May 02 03:09:30 <Logan_>	the script that was reverting those moves also blocked you
May 02 03:09:31 <SpitfireWP>	One of his personalities hide his admin password from the other.
May 02 03:09:38 <SpitfireWP>	Bit like Fight Club.
May 02 03:10:14 <SpitfireWP>	And he had to shot himself in the head to stop his sockpuppeteer version from abusing his admin account.
May 02 03:10:15 <SpitfireWP>	See?
May 02 03:10:17 <Fluffernutter>	the first rule of Prodego is you don't talk about Prodego?
May 02 03:10:24 <SpitfireWP>	Fluffernutter, exactly!
May 02 03:10:25 <SpitfireWP>	Shush :P
May 02 03:10:32 *	Fluffernutter shushes
May 02 03:11:11 <Sven_Manguard>	Prodego gets blocked in may
May 02 03:11:18 <Sven_Manguard>	it's cosmic
May 02 03:11:49 *	sonia runs RfA next may just to block him again
May 02 03:12:23 <Gfoley4>	sonia: block him on simple :D
May 02 03:12:46 *	Fluffernutter torpedoes sonia's RFA hopes and dreams with incriminating video of That Thing You Did
May 02 03:13:13 <sonia>	you told me you'd destroyed the tape of that when I handed over the money
May 02 03:13:25 *	Sven_Manguard secretly swapped out that video with That Thing Fluffernutter Did With Ironholds
May 02 03:13:39 *	Lokshmi is now known as DamselInADress
May 02 03:13:42 <Gfoley4>	O_O
May 02 03:13:53 <Fluffernutter>	<_<
May 02 03:14:10 *	Sven_Manguard does the "Went There" dance
May 02 03:14:11 *	dungodung is now known as dungodung|away
May 02 03:14:13 *	dungodung|away is now known as dungodung|sleep
May 02 03:14:21 <Fluffernutter>	surely that will only increase my chances of acquiring phenomenal wiki power
May 02 03:14:31 *	AFK (geekbounce@wikimedia/Joe-Gazz84) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 03:15:06 *	DamselInADress is now known as starcatfluff
May 02 03:15:37 *	Dcoetzee (~chatzilla@wikimedia/Dcoetzee) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 03:15:54 <Guerillero>	lol
May 02 03:16:09 *	starcatfluff is now known as Lyrithya
May 02 03:16:21 *	sonia mobs Dcoetzee
May 02 03:16:32 *	Elockid|afk is now known as Elockid
May 02 03:16:39 *	Dcoetzee tacklehugs sonia and kisses her.
May 02 03:16:49 <Dcoetzee>	Hi :-)
May 02 03:17:00 <sonia>	...long time no see? :p
May 02 03:17:00 *	Fluffernutter throws herself on the peoplepile on top of Dcoetzee
May 02 03:17:09 <sonia>	yay
May 02 03:17:16 *	Dcoetzee tries not to crush sonia :-P
May 02 03:17:17 *	sonia passes Fluffernutter a cookie
May 02 03:17:24 *	Dcoetzee passes cookie on up.
May 02 03:17:32 *	BasketOfPuppies has quit (Quit: fourscore and seven years ago our forefather came to this planet...oops, better watch my big hat!)
May 02 03:17:33 <Dcoetzee>	One for me too? :-P
May 02 03:17:36 *	Fluffernutter noms
May 02 03:17:37 <sonia>	sure :)
May 02 03:17:47 *	Dcoetzee nomnoms :-)
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May 02 03:18:02 *	Douche (~Douche@wikimedia/Zalgo) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 03:18:15 <Douche>	hmm
May 02 03:18:22 <Douche>	i just got a iOS 5 crash report
May 02 03:18:40 *	Fluffernutter grins. Ironholds just wandered past me. "Oh hey, anything good happening on the internets?" I look at Sven_Manguard's comment, look back at him. "Nope, nothing."
May 02 03:18:58 *	Douche ehuggles Fluffernutter 
May 02 03:19:04 *	Douche kicks Ironholds out of USA"
May 02 03:19:25 <Fluffernutter>	he's going home tomorrow, Douche. I'd appreciate if you refrain from kicking him out until then
May 02 03:19:25 <Sven_Manguard>	hate crimes are bad Douche
May 02 03:19:37 <Douche>	Sven_Manguard: i know :)
May 02 03:19:46 *	Douche huggles Ironholds instead.
May 02 03:20:09 <Dcoetzee>	Crime is bad. Hate crime is badder.
May 02 03:20:11 <Sven_Manguard>	eww has that Douche been cleaned
May 02 03:20:21 *	Douche huggles Dcoetzee 
May 02 03:20:28 *	Dcoetzee hugs Douche
May 02 03:20:29 <Dcoetzee>	Hey
May 02 03:20:47 <Gfoley4>	Guerillero: um, he is unblocked
May 02 03:21:04 *	Zamorak (~Zamorak@wikia/ZamorakO-o) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 03:21:31 <Guerillero>	look at his log
May 02 03:22:10 <Ironholds>	hate crime is *not* badder
May 02 03:22:23 <Ironholds>	hate crime legislation is entirely bullshit
May 02 03:22:29 <Fluffernutter>	oh here we go
May 02 03:22:32 *	sonia lynches Ironholds
May 02 03:22:33 <Guerillero>	badder?
May 02 03:22:54 <Ironholds>	sonia: I have a reasonable ground for my opinion!
May 02 03:23:10 <sonia>	Ironholds: but I can lynch you, you're a white male
May 02 03:23:12 <Dcoetzee>	Yeah hate crime is actually contentious.
May 02 03:23:27 <Ironholds>	which is that society should be working towards inclusiveness, not, say, arguing that raping someone for being a lesbian is somehow worse than raping someone for being sexy and walking down a dark alley
May 02 03:24:40 <Ironholds>	which firstly fails to do its job (is anyone who wants to rape or murder people really going to be put off by "oh gee, an extra five years in prison"?) secondly divides up communities by giving privileged positions to certain minorities, thirdly is offensive to those "mainstream" individuals who are the victims of crime, and is, at the end of the day, simply inequitable
May 02 03:24:47 <Gfoley4>	o
May 02 03:25:27 <Dcoetzee>	I actually oppose affirmative action but generally support hate crime legislation, if the extra penalty is reasonable.
May 02 03:25:36 <Ironholds>	Dcoetzee: why?
May 02 03:25:44 <Guerillero>	Killing anyone because of some attribute is wrong
May 02 03:25:47 *	Pilif12p resists mainstream joke
May 02 03:25:49 *	sonia sits next to Fluffernutter on the oh here we go sit
May 02 03:25:50 <Dcoetzee>	On the grounds that ordinary rape may occur due to circumstantial relationships with individuals.
May 02 03:25:50 <sonia>	*seat
May 02 03:25:56 <Ironholds>	Dcoetzee:...explain
May 02 03:25:58 <Dcoetzee>	And so be less likely to reoccur.
May 02 03:26:14 *	Fluffernutter hugs sonia, passes her a don't-give-a-fuck cookie
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May 02 03:26:39 <Dcoetzee>	A person who targets a large group with violence is quite likely to run into a member of that group in the future after leaving prison.
May 02 03:26:41 <Ironholds>	Dcoetzee: and as such, all of those who practise quote unquote ordinary rape should be given what equates to a comparatively free ride?
May 02 03:27:06 <Ironholds>	yes, so those who rape women for being lesbians are likely to run into lesbians if they are let out and thus be more of a threat to society
May 02 03:27:23 <Ironholds>	while those who rape women for being, y'know, women, are totally going to be just living in a sausagefest when they get out
May 02 03:27:26 *	Guerillero stops caring and pulls up a chair to watch the titans collide
May 02 03:27:31 <Gfoley4>	Fluffernutter: I want a "don't give a fuck" cookie :D
May 02 03:27:51 <Dcoetzee>	I think they all deserve punishment but there's also the preventative aspect. Some rapes occur only in the context of a particular abusive relationship.
May 02 03:27:55 <Fluffernutter>	Gfoley4, you have to not five a fuck to be eligible for the cookie
May 02 03:27:58 <Fluffernutter>	...give
May 02 03:28:04 <sonia>	Ironholds: let's put it this way. If life is shit to me, it's shit to me, que sera sera. If people are persistently shit to me because of some specific attribute I can't change that I've worked against social norms to establish, that... kinda sucks
May 02 03:28:07 <Dcoetzee>	They might do it again to a future partner, but I doubt they'd do it to randoms.
May 02 03:28:09 <Gfoley4>	fine, be like that
May 02 03:28:10 <Gfoley4>	:|
May 02 03:28:24 <Ironholds>	sonia: it does. But that specific attribute could be that, say, you happen to own a vagina
May 02 03:29:01 <Ironholds>	if they discriminate because you own a vagina, bad. If they discriminate because you're a member of the LGBT community, also bad
May 02 03:29:03 *	Fluffernutter takes away sonia's cookire
May 02 03:29:04 <Ironholds>	but not *worse*
May 02 03:29:05 <Dcoetzee>	Ironholds: For my argument to hold the legislation would require revision to address any rapist who targets a large group indiscriminately.
May 02 03:29:12 <sonia>	Fluffernutter: sorry :p
May 02 03:29:27 <Ironholds>	Dcoetzee: your argument can be addressed through sentencing guidelines being modified to take into account the circumstances of individual rapes
May 02 03:29:34 <Ironholds>	not blanket legislation, which is what is actually done
May 02 03:29:39 <Dcoetzee>	That's also true.
May 02 03:30:38 <Dcoetzee>	I'm not sure I'd want no law on the books though, at least a higher minimum/maximum for indiscriminate rapists targeting a group.
May 02 03:30:45 <Dcoetzee>	That doesn't seem very hard to codify.
May 02 03:31:05 <Dcoetzee>	A wide enough interval still leaves room for sentencing guidelines.
May 02 03:31:10 <Douche>	:o
May 02 03:31:15 <Douche>	Obama is going to make a statement
May 02 03:31:16 <Douche>	:o
May 02 03:31:35 <Guerillero>	about what?
May 02 03:31:37 <Fluffernutter>	me
May 02 03:31:43 <Guerillero>	:o
May 02 03:31:55 <Dcoetzee>	"Obama: I asked for milk with this coffee."
May 02 03:32:09 <Douche>	Guerillero: no idea
May 02 03:32:14 <Douche>	it's a message to the station.
May 02 03:32:16 <Douche>	sorry
May 02 03:32:18 <Douche>	nation.
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May 02 03:32:27 *	Guerillero waits for it to be put up on the FSC page
May 02 03:33:07 <sonia>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pippa_Middleton#Buttocks
May 02 03:33:31 <Douche>	Guerillero: national security.
May 02 03:34:13 <Dcoetzee>	sonia: Heh, at least she's famous for *something*
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May 02 03:34:21 *	Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|sleep
May 02 03:34:27 <Dcoetzee>	Fluff|sleep: Sleep well :-)0
May 02 03:34:34 <Douche>	ni ni Fluff|sleep
May 02 03:34:35 <Douche>	<3
May 02 03:34:49 *	sonia steals all Fluff|sleep's cookies
May 02 03:34:55 *	Dcoetzee gasps
May 02 03:35:03 <Dcoetzee>	sonia: All this time... you never told me you were a cookie thief!
May 02 03:35:43 <Dcoetzee>	All the lies! "Maybe you forgot to go to the bakery"! And I believed you! I trusted you!
May 02 03:36:40 <sonia>	I told you I had a past I was escaping; you said you didn't care.
May 02 03:36:51 <sonia>	It's... an addiction I'm forced to feed.
May 02 03:36:55 <sonia>	I wish it didn't have to be this way.
May 02 03:37:21 <Dcoetzee>	sonia: How long have you been on the run? What if they find you? They'll lock you up forever. You know cookie thieves *never* get off lightly.
May 02 03:37:39 <sonia>	oh, but you've eaten my cookies, you're a partner in crime now
May 02 03:37:43 *	Chris_G (~chris@124-169-223-232.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #wikipedia-en
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May 02 03:37:48 *	Dcoetzee gasps
May 02 03:38:22 *	sonia offers Dcoetzee another cookie.
May 02 03:38:30 <Dcoetzee>	sonia: Well, I guess we're in this together then. We'll have to travel the world, always one step ahead.
May 02 03:38:38 *	Dcoetzee takes cookie and eats defiantly.
May 02 03:39:11 *	Zamorak places cookie jar inside a cage
May 02 03:39:14 *	tnxman307 (~tnxman307@wikipedia/tnxman307) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 03:39:37 <tnxman307>	anyone up tonight?
May 02 03:39:49 <Zamorak>	I am :o
May 02 03:39:51 *	sonia offers tnxman307 a cookie
May 02 03:40:02 *	tnxman307 munches cookie
May 02 03:40:09 <tnxman307>	so, who's watching the news?
May 02 03:40:11 *	Dcoetzee laughs
May 02 03:40:14 <tnxman307>	what's going on?
May 02 03:40:33 *	mindspillage (~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 03:40:52 *	Dcoetzee hugs mindspillage
May 02 03:40:59 *	mindspillage waves
May 02 03:41:00 <Dcoetzee>	Hey :-) How're you?
May 02 03:41:12 *	sonia gives mindspillage a cookie
May 02 03:41:15 *	Douche is.
May 02 03:41:26 <Dragonfly6-7>	careful, it's poisoned
May 02 03:41:53 <mindspillage>	decent. Last night played a concert for ~1000 peoploe; tonight played a concert where the audience barely outnumbered the  orchestra (but if you totaled up the years of life lived by each group, the audience outnumbers us 3 to 1)
May 02 03:42:32 <Dcoetzee>	:-)
May 02 03:42:34 <Dcoetzee>	Sounds fun
May 02 03:42:44 <Guerillero>	what do you play?
May 02 03:42:45 <mindspillage>	Apparently I can't say how may day was without making it an algebra problem. :-) How are you?
May 02 03:43:01 <mindspillage>	Guerillero: lots of things, but tonight viola, with a tango orchestra/.
May 02 03:43:09 <sonia>	oooh
May 02 03:43:39 <tnxman307>	i think they caught bin laden
May 02 03:43:42 <Guerillero>	sounds like fun
May 02 03:43:43 *	la_pianista (~la_pianis@75.47.96.107) has joined #wikipedia-en
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May 02 03:43:52 <Guerillero>	wb
May 02 03:44:15 *	sonia huggles la_pianista
May 02 03:44:32 *	mindspillage waves la_pianista.
May 02 03:44:41 *	sonia waves mindspillage waving la_pianista.
May 02 03:44:43 <Douche>	BIN LADEN IS DEAD
May 02 03:44:44 *	Dcoetzee hugs la_pianista
May 02 03:44:54 <Dcoetzee>	la_pianista: How are you? :-)
May 02 03:45:02 <Dcoetzee>	Douche: That's his big announcement? Good to know :-P
May 02 03:45:14 <tnxman307>	hmm
May 02 03:45:19 <Guerillero>	That would be awesome
May 02 03:45:25 <tnxman307>	think that page should be semi-ed?
May 02 03:45:26 <tnxman307>	or wait
May 02 03:45:27 <sonia>	quick, update WP :p
May 02 03:45:27 <tnxman307>	?
May 02 03:45:30 <Gfoley4>	you are a Douche
May 02 03:45:32 <Gfoley4>	^_^
May 02 03:45:33 <Guerillero>	lol
May 02 03:45:36 <Douche>	sonia: lol
May 02 03:45:45 <Sven_Manguard>	Douche: umm, no he isn't
May 02 03:45:53 <Sven_Manguard>	NYT would have pinged me with that
May 02 03:45:54 <Douche>	Sven_Manguard: according to CNN lol
May 02 03:46:00 <Gfoley4>	sonia: What is your source?
May 02 03:46:08 <sonia>	Gfoley4: thus far, twitter, heh
May 02 03:46:13 <Gfoley4>	:P
May 02 03:46:22 <Dcoetzee>	I'm sure his article has already been updated :-P
May 02 03:46:38 <Pilif12p>	Bin Laden is dead, Bin laden is dead!
May 02 03:46:46 <sonia>	Dcoetzee: not just yet
May 02 03:47:05 <Dcoetzee>	Yeah it was
May 02 03:47:09 <Dcoetzee>	"died May 1, 2011"
May 02 03:47:12 <sonia>	...huh
May 02 03:47:15 *	sonia slaps NZ internet
May 02 03:47:21 <Dcoetzee>	And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Death
May 02 03:47:24 <sonia>	it's like impossible to huggle from here
May 02 03:47:27 <Pilif12p>	He died over a week ago
May 02 03:47:37 <Dcoetzee>	Yes the edit is wrong :-P
May 02 03:47:40 <Pilif12p>	They kept it a secret to do DNA testing... says fox news
May 02 03:47:43 <Gfoley4>	lol "Died per white house"
May 02 03:47:50 *	Dcoetzee fixes fixes
May 02 03:47:55 <Brian_S>	No
May 02 03:47:55 *	sonia fixes Dcoetzee
May 02 03:47:57 <Brian_S>	Protect
May 02 03:48:01 <Dcoetzee>	Somebody already fixed.
May 02 03:48:03 <sonia>	Brian_S:  it is silverlocked already
May 02 03:48:05 *	la_pianista huggles sonia, mindspillage, dcoetzee, douche, Sven_Manguard...is that everyone?
May 02 03:48:06 <Dcoetzee>	Already semiprotected.
May 02 03:48:09 <Guerillero>	full protect the page
May 02 03:48:12 *	Douche huggles la_pianista 
May 02 03:48:13 <Dcoetzee>	la_pianista: Yup :-)
May 02 03:48:17 <Brian_S>	Until it's been officially announced by the president take the news with a grain of salt.
May 02 03:48:18 <Douche>	la_pianista: you're in CA?
May 02 03:48:19 <Dcoetzee>	I am not pre-emptively full protecting anything :-P
May 02 03:48:26 <la_pianista>	no o.O
May 02 03:48:32 <Dcoetzee>	I wish :-P
May 02 03:48:39 <sonia>	Dcoetzee is
May 02 03:48:39 <Douche>	oh that's right
May 02 03:48:42 <Douche>	texas!
May 02 03:48:45 <Douche>	i forgot!
May 02 03:48:47 <Sven_Manguard>	This just in, Bin Laden dies in the runup to an election, changing the election, surprise?
May 02 03:48:49 *	sonia full-protects la_pianista
May 02 03:49:01 <Dcoetzee>	If she was I'd have to hang out with her then and buy her lunch and persuade her to play for me :-P
May 02 03:49:12 <sonia>	Dcoetzee:  and get lynched by her relatives
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May 02 03:49:32 <Dcoetzee>	Are they that overprotective? :-S
May 02 03:49:42 <Dcoetzee>	It's not a date :-P
May 02 03:49:42 <tnxman307>	wow... just wow
May 02 03:49:51 *	Ktr101 throws sonia at bin laden's body :D
May 02 03:49:56 <tnxman307>	well, good news, i suppose
May 02 03:50:06 <tnxman307>	good night, all
May 02 03:50:09 <Douche>	ni ni tnxman307
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May 02 03:55:20 <Franz_Kafka>	IShadowed: thanks for the link on fb
May 02 03:55:29 <IShadowed>	'welcome
May 02 03:55:35 <Douche>	yep
May 02 03:55:52 <Franz_Kafka>	now i just need the speech to start...
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May 02 03:56:35 <gabrielf>	yeah they've been delayed a half hour now
May 02 03:56:46 <Headbomb>	bin laden dead
May 02 03:56:55 <Franz_Kafka>	Headbomb: so they say!
May 02 03:56:59 <MuZemike>	U-S-A!!! U-S-A!!! U-S-A!!! U-S-A!!!
May 02 03:57:00 <Headbomb>	obviously Obama is a terrorist-sympathizer
May 02 03:57:05 <Franz_Kafka>	obv.
May 02 03:57:07 <IShadowed>	"Bin Laden died of old age, we have the body. Let's claim Castro next."
May 02 03:57:07 <Herodotean>	Sven_Manguard: Because Donald Trump was a strong contender for the presidency, right? ;-)
May 02 03:57:08 <IShadowed>	rofl
May 02 03:57:13 <IShadowed>	Is bastique here?
May 02 03:57:15 <IShadowed>	Guess not
May 02 03:57:17 <MauchoEagle>	what the fuck man
May 02 03:57:35 <MuZemike>	To say the least, Bin Laden's article is now full-protected for a little bit
May 02 03:57:38 <MauchoEagle>	an admin just imposed a full protection on the Osama bin Laden article
May 02 03:57:43 <Headbomb>	Bin Laden's death is more proof democrats are lax on terrorism
May 02 03:58:08 <IShadowed>	Because Headbomb is totally a republican
May 02 03:58:12 <Headbomb>	nah
May 02 03:58:13 <Gfoley4>	wow, it's been full protected
May 02 03:58:21 <Gfoley4>	until February 2012
May 02 03:58:24 <IShadowed>	XD
May 02 03:58:27 <sonia>	...
May 02 03:58:33 <MauchoEagle>	MuZemike could you please remove this or change it until o say a couple seconds from now because I want to edit it
May 02 03:58:34 <sonia>	that's... a long time
May 02 03:58:37 <Franz_Kafka>	Headbomb is as right-wing as they come.
May 02 03:58:43 <sonia>	MauchoEagle: {{editprotected}} is there for a reason
May 02 03:58:48 <MuZemike>	Gfoley4: I think it was already semi-protected, and it was just upgraded.
May 02 03:59:00 <Headbomb>	if Bin Laden is dead, now people will say you have to pull out of Afghanistan
May 02 03:59:01 <gabrielf>	listening to c-span's gossip from the white house correspondents dinner while they wait for the press conference to start
May 02 03:59:04 <sonia>	it was already semied yeah
May 02 03:59:06 <Headbomb>	thus stopping the war on terror
May 02 03:59:12 <gabrielf>	apparently sarah palin seemed to enjoy herself last night
May 02 03:59:14 <Pilif12p>	not really
May 02 03:59:22 <Pilif12p>	there's still the rest of the taliban to worry about
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May 02 03:59:34 <Pilif12p>	and all of the other extremests...
May 02 03:59:44 <Headbomb>	exactly, by killing Bin Laden, you someone else will step in
May 02 03:59:44 <gabrielf>	I don't think bin laden's been involved with anything operationally for a long time
May 02 03:59:54 <Headbomb>	thus create new Bin Ladens
May 02 03:59:58 <MauchoEagle>	No there is no fucjking for an admin to impose freaking full protection until next year
May 02 04:00:13 <MauchoEagle>	*fucking
May 02 04:00:27 <Gfoley4>	Ask on his talk page
May 02 04:00:30 <Headbomb>	Obama wants Afghanistan to become a Bin Laden factory!
May 02 04:00:42 <Headbomb>	why else would they kill him?
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May 02 04:00:52 <archanamiya>	What's everyone saying?
May 02 04:01:11 <Herodotean>	Headbomb is trying to troll but not doing a very good job of it.
May 02 04:01:18 *	Herodotean is now known as Herodotus
May 02 04:01:26 <archanamiya>	anyone talking aboot Osama getting pwn'd?
May 02 04:01:28 <MuZemike>	Just like World War II with Hitler, killing bin Laden is every American's dream.
May 02 04:01:31 <Headbomb>	I'm having fun, and having a very good job at that
May 02 04:01:32 <MuZemike>	*was
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May 02 04:01:38 <MuZemike>	Well, most
May 02 04:01:44 <MuZemike>	OK, somne
May 02 04:01:44 <geniice>	The US is in possession of Bin Laden's body, the reports say.
May 02 04:01:46 <MauchoEagle>	Gfoley4:If I ask on his talk page there will be cursing
May 02 04:01:47 <geniice>	interesting
May 02 04:01:48 <archanamiya>	tes
May 02 04:01:51 <archanamiya>	word around town
May 02 04:02:03 <archanamiya>	so was it a missle or a bomb?
May 02 04:02:08 <geniice>	wouldn't have been easy to get it out of Pakistan
May 02 04:02:15 <archanamiya>	mhm
May 02 04:02:16 <archanamiya>	so was it a missle or a bomb?
May 02 04:02:19 <geniice>	archanamiya natural causes
May 02 04:02:26 <Gfoley4>	o:
May 02 04:02:28 <Dcoetzee>	Killing bin Laden isn't actually very useful - terrorist cells are already organised to be resistant to deaths of leaders.
May 02 04:02:32 <archanamiya>	geniice: word around town is it was amzericans
May 02 04:02:33 <Dcoetzee>	But it's a symbolic gesture.
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May 02 04:02:36 <Dcoetzee>	And Obama wants the credit.
May 02 04:02:39 <archanamiya>	Dcoetzee: exactly
May 02 04:02:42 <archanamiya>	well
May 02 04:02:46 <Gfoley4>	GOD DAMN, 10 edit conflicts in a row
May 02 04:02:52 <Gfoley4>	fuck this
May 02 04:02:52 <Guerillero>	this should help 2012
May 02 04:02:56 <archanamiya>	haha
May 02 04:02:58 <archanamiya>	Guerillero: lol
May 02 04:03:00 <Guerillero>	lol
May 02 04:03:17 <MauchoEagle>	Gfoley$ I am on my knees please downgrade to semiprotection
May 02 04:03:20 <archanamiya>	so now we're gonna have someone else to have to constantly hate?
May 02 04:03:23 <Guerillero>	I got the man GWB couldn't get
May 02 04:03:24 <MauchoEagle>	*Gfoley4
May 02 04:03:35 <Gfoley4>	ask the admin
May 02 04:03:47 <archanamiya>	geniice: looks like it was a US attack
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May 02 04:03:57 <Guerillero>	every admin is editing
May 02 04:04:04 <geniice>	archanamiya Ayman al-Zawahiri is still alive. and he's the smart one
May 02 04:04:08 <Dcoetzee>	Full protection is *fine*
May 02 04:04:11 <archanamiya>	geniice: yup
May 02 04:04:14 <Dcoetzee>	Admins are actively editing and watching the talk page.
May 02 04:04:24 <archanamiya>	geniice: it's a less catchy name though :P
May 02 04:04:37 <MauchoEagle>	hell no it is not fine
May 02 04:04:39 <MuZemike>	I'll try to correct that age of death (it says 54-55) or whatever
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May 02 04:04:48 <MuZemike>	I have a hard time loading the page, as expected.
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May 02 04:04:55 *	mindspillage may be slightly dense, but fails to see how this has anything but symbolic importance at this point. Not that people don't put too much stock in symbols.
May 02 04:05:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	if bin-laden is dead, how soon until Fox News starts saying that Obama is wrong for killing him because he should have been captured in order to have a trial.?
May 02 04:05:10 <geniice>	mindspillage thats pretty much the point
May 02 04:05:10 <Gfoley4>	lol
May 02 04:05:10 <Guerillero>	lol
May 02 04:05:16 <archanamiya>	Dragonfly6-7: about 5 minutes xD
May 02 04:05:21 <Guerillero>	he is a maryter now
May 02 04:05:25 <Headbomb>	Dragonfly6-7: nah, they'll blaming for giving pacifists an excuse to end the war
May 02 04:05:28 <archanamiya>	mindspillage: nono, americans do xD
May 02 04:05:29 <MauchoEagle>	Constructive editors like you and my self should be able to edit the fucking page
May 02 04:05:30 <MauchoEagle>	How freaking fine is that
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May 02 04:05:33 <Headbomb>	*blame him
May 02 04:05:46 <Guerillero>	and that is the worst thing that could happen
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May 02 04:05:51 <MuZemike>	Blame the Republicans
May 02 04:05:53 <mindspillage>	archanamiya: if only that were so....
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May 02 04:06:03 <archanamiya>	mindspillage: oh, the stupid ones do
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May 02 04:06:06 <Guerillero>	irc is filling up
May 02 04:06:08 *	MuZemike still cannot bring up bin Laden's WP article
May 02 04:06:12 <archanamiya>	Guerillero: it's awesome
May 02 04:06:15 <archanamiya>	MuZemike: really?
May 02 04:06:18 <MuZemike>	Nope
May 02 04:06:19 <geniice>	mindspillage it also neutralises the last vestige of al-Qaeda as global organisation
May 02 04:06:22 <GorillaWarfare>	Are we waiting for the press conference to definitively say he's dead?
May 02 04:06:24 <mindspillage>	there there would only be about 300 million people to worry about doing that rather than ~7 billion. :-P
May 02 04:06:29 <Guerillero>	I think so
May 02 04:06:33 <archanamiya>	mindspillage: hehe
May 02 04:06:35 <barts1a>	Osama is dead? By actionable US intelligance? FUCK YEAH!
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May 02 04:06:41 <Guerillero>	it should be comming soon GW
May 02 04:06:42 <HelloAnnyong>	'merica, fuck yeah!
May 02 04:06:42 <archanamiya>	GorillaWarfare: it really looks like he is
May 02 04:06:45 <GorillaWarfare>	Alright. All the news agencies are saying it's a sure thing, so...
May 02 04:06:48 <GorillaWarfare>	Yeah, my point
May 02 04:06:56 <Dcoetzee>	The funny thing about this is that the US has killed or captured plenty of other equally important terrorist leaders.
May 02 04:06:57 <archanamiya>	GorillaWarfare: we're just waiting for "offical" confirmation
May 02 04:07:01 <archanamiya>	Dcoetzee: yup
May 02 04:07:02 <Dcoetzee>	But nobody gave a fuck about them :-P
May 02 04:07:04 <archanamiya>	Dcoetzee: but not as noteable
May 02 04:07:07 <archanamiya>	Dcoetzee: lol :P
May 02 04:07:08 <barts1a>	if Obama is giving an address on it that it's gotta be true
May 02 04:07:11 <GorillaWarfare>	We have a "This article is about a person who has recently died." on the article, which is a bit inconsistent...
May 02 04:07:18 <archanamiya>	Ding Dong! Osama's dead. Which old Terrorist? The Wicked Fag! Ding Dong! The Wicked Osama is dead.
May 02 04:07:19 <archanamiya>	lol
May 02 04:07:25 <MuZemike>	America. Fuck Yeah! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
May 02 04:07:26 <archanamiya>	GorillaWarfare: hm?
May 02 04:07:27 <Ironholds>	why are people making a big fuss of this?
May 02 04:07:32 <archanamiya>	Ironholds: cause he's a loser
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May 02 04:07:39 <barts1a>	Ironholds: 9/11
May 02 04:07:44 <Gfoley4>	unprotected now
May 02 04:07:44 <Headbomb>	symbolism etc...
May 02 04:07:48 <MauchoEagle>	and even duh Ironholds
May 02 04:07:48 <Gfoley4>	run... run
May 02 04:07:48 <Dcoetzee>	Ironholds: Because in the US, the mass media uses bin Laden as a symbol of anti-US terrorists.
May 02 04:07:50 <barts1a>	Osama is the guy behind it
May 02 04:07:55 *	Ironholds headdesks
May 02 04:07:56 <Dcoetzee>	Ironholds: They portray him as the primary leader.
May 02 04:07:57 <archanamiya>	it's Obama's one chance to be awesome, and he's LATE
May 02 04:07:58 <MauchoEagle>	what kind of question is that
May 02 04:08:03 <barts1a>	He is/was the most wanted man in the world
May 02 04:08:04 <mindspillage>	The real fun question is who we're going to use as our bogeyman now.
May 02 04:08:18 <Guerillero>	no idea
May 02 04:08:19 <Dcoetzee>	He's kinda the Hitler of terrorists.
May 02 04:08:20 <Headbomb>	archanamiya: that's because Obama is crying because they killed his friend, obv.
May 02 04:08:22 <Guerillero>	there is number 2
May 02 04:08:27 <geniice>	Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'
May 02 04:08:27 <Ironholds>	barts1a, saying that Obama is the guy who runs Al-Quaeda is like saying that POTUS led the Wako siege
May 02 04:08:28 <Dcoetzee>	Except with less actual central control.
May 02 04:08:29 <archanamiya>	Headbomb: hehehe
May 02 04:08:30 <geniice>	Love the BBC
May 02 04:08:38 <Ironholds>	he was a pensioner with kidney issues who made rambling videos
May 02 04:08:43 <Ironholds>	AKA the population of Florida
May 02 04:08:46 <archanamiya>	Ironholds: lmao lol
May 02 04:08:52 <Dcoetzee>	Heh
May 02 04:08:56 <archanamiya>	Ding Dong! Osama's dead. Which old Terrorist? The Wicked Fag! Ding Dong! The Wicked Osama is dead.
May 02 04:09:04 <Ironholds>	if you honestly think he hadnled the day to day stuff you're idiots
May 02 04:09:07 <Ironholds>	archanamiya, shut up
May 02 04:09:15 <archanamiya>	Prez campaign 2012: Obama killed bin Laden. Trump has only killed that lame debate about birth certificates.
May 02 04:09:17 <archanamiya>	Ironholds: hehe
May 02 04:09:21 <archanamiya>	Ironholds: it's a satire
May 02 04:09:26 <Dcoetzee>	archanamiya: Standard warning, some people may take offense to use of the secondary definition of "fag" to mean "a bad/stupid person" :-P
May 02 04:09:32 <archanamiya>	Dcoetzee: hehe
May 02 04:09:36 <archanamiya>	of course, my apologies
May 02 04:09:39 <archanamiya>	*loser
May 02 04:09:39 <archanamiya>	xD
May 02 04:09:42 <barts1a>	Ding Dong! The fag is dead. Which old fag? The Wicked fag! Ding Dong! Osama Bin is dead!
May 02 04:09:48 <Ironholds>	barts1a, shut it
May 02 04:09:49 <geniice>	Ironholds tapes more than videos
May 02 04:09:51 <archanamiya>	"Prez campaign 2012: Obama killed bin Laden. Trump has only killed that lame debate about birth certificates."
May 02 04:09:54 <Dragonfly6-7>	barts1a - seriously.
May 02 04:10:05 <archanamiya>	barts1a: :/
May 02 04:10:08 <barts1a>	jeez... satire
May 02 04:10:10 <Guerillero>	there is a article now
May 02 04:10:24 <Guerillero>	who wants to AfD it :P
May 02 04:10:46 <archanamiya>	looks like he was killed in a mansion outside of Islamabad, Pakistan
May 02 04:10:49 <MuZemike>	Hopefully, I can get that death age fixed
May 02 04:10:51 <Headbomb>	NBC: "... The European countries of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan..."  ?
May 02 04:11:10 <GorillaWarfare>	It was just confirmed by Biden
May 02 04:11:12 <gabrielf>	arch- where are you getting that? CNN is saying afghanistan
May 02 04:11:21 <archanamiya>	gabrielf: AP
May 02 04:11:27 <archanamiya>	Associated Press
May 02 04:11:31 <Guerillero>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden
May 02 04:11:35 <archanamiya>	looks like it's been confirmed by DNA
May 02 04:11:38 <Mitchazenia>	Yeah Islamabad, Pakistan is what I am hearing
May 02 04:11:44 <Guerillero>	semi it please
May 02 04:11:52 <geniice>	archanamiya if the US has the body then yes
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May 02 04:11:58 <archanamiya>	geniice: mhm
May 02 04:12:00 <gabrielf>	tx
May 02 04:12:00 <Prodego>	Guerillero: specify a reason?
May 02 04:12:08 <archanamiya>	Prodego: US attack
May 02 04:12:12 <archanamiya>	bomb/drone/missle
May 02 04:12:15 <archanamiya>	it's not very exact
May 02 04:12:21 <Prodego>	not that reason
May 02 04:12:22 <archanamiya>	but it was a US attack
May 02 04:12:24 <barts1a>	Actionable US intellegence is all they are confirming
May 02 04:12:40 <archanamiya>	it was in a mansion
May 02 04:12:42 <archanamiya>	we have that
May 02 04:13:14 <geniice>	stand by for AP articles moaning that we got all the traffic
May 02 04:13:18 <archanamiya>	geniice: hehe
May 02 04:13:22 <Gfoley4>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden :|
May 02 04:13:25 <Gfoley4>	pathetic
May 02 04:13:26 <archanamiya>	Gfoley4: :/
May 02 04:13:38 <archanamiya>	Gfoley4: we've known for less than an hour
May 02 04:13:42 <aleichem>	http://www.whitehouse.gov/live - beginning shortly
May 02 04:13:44 <archanamiya>	and still have no "official" confirmation
May 02 04:13:59 <archanamiya>	aleichem: there's a CNN feed too, pretty much every news site actually
May 02 04:14:03 <GorillaWarfare>	archanamiya: Biden did just confirm -- that's not official?
May 02 04:14:09 <archanamiya>	GorillaWarfare: did he?
May 02 04:14:12 <archanamiya>	that's official then xD
May 02 04:14:16 *	NA_0|away is now known as NA_0
May 02 04:14:17 <archanamiya>	i meant obama
May 02 04:14:22 <barts1a>	Obama will comfirm soon
May 02 04:14:23 <GorillaWarfare>	Yes, according to CNN, he did
May 02 04:14:32 <archanamiya>	lol i fox news guy said "Obama's dead"
May 02 04:14:35 <archanamiya>	*a
May 02 04:14:41 <geniice>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10318089
May 02 04:14:43 <gabrielf>	poor ghaddafi must be pissed that everyone is going to ignore his son's death now
May 02 04:14:48 <archanamiya>	gabrielf: haha
May 02 04:14:50 <barts1a>	AFAIK Osama is dead
May 02 04:14:52 <archanamiya>	barts1a: he IS
May 02 04:14:59 <archanamiya>	no word on how yet
May 02 04:15:04 <archanamiya>	but it looks like a US attack
May 02 04:15:11 <NA_0>	I mixed up biden and bin laden for a moment XD
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May 02 04:15:22 <archanamiya>	NA_0: hehe
May 02 04:15:30 <gabrielf>	NYT says it was a "targetted assault" whatever that means
May 02 04:15:36 <barts1a>	They say it was done by "Actionable US intelligance"\
May 02 04:15:57 <geniice>	CIA
May 02 04:16:07 <archanamiya>	any word on the US being IN pakistan
May 02 04:16:09 <archanamiya>	?
May 02 04:16:12 <Guerillero>	its going to be a high trafic page in 10 minutes or less
May 02 04:16:12 <barts1a>	A CIA drone apparantly
May 02 04:16:20 <archanamiya>	any word on the US being IN pakistan?
May 02 04:16:27 <archanamiya>	a drone would make sense, they've done taht before
May 02 04:16:28 <geniice>	gabrielf it was one of ghaddafi's more minor sons. the nighclubs of europe will morn his passing though
May 02 04:16:37 <Guerillero>	lol
May 02 04:16:46 <geniice>	archanamiya CIA have ground forces in  Pakistan
May 02 04:16:52 <archanamiya>	geniice: ok
May 02 04:17:14 <aleichem>	us intelligence? does that exists? what iq is that?
May 02 04:17:14 <archanamiya>	hurry up obama
May 02 04:17:16 <archanamiya>	so late
May 02 04:17:19 <gabrielf>	oh well I'm sure there will be plenty more rich arab kids to take his place
May 02 04:17:22 <archanamiya>	aleichem: dahaha
May 02 04:17:36 <geniice>	archanamiya there have been reports of Pakistani forces making raids while CIA sat outside in their car
May 02 04:17:44 <archanamiya>	geniice: wow
May 02 04:17:58 <barts1a>	ABC (Australia) News 24 is doing an interview with a guy who met Osama
May 02 04:18:06 <barts1a>	over phone
May 02 04:18:07 <archanamiya>	best plan: hide outside a major city, in a nice house. it's pretty genius when you think about it
May 02 04:18:21 <barts1a>	And we all thought it was a cave in the desert
May 02 04:18:24 <archanamiya>	they all expected him to be in a cave in the moutains
May 02 04:18:27 <archanamiya>	barts1a: exactly
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May 02 04:19:16 <geniice>	archanamiya some interesting people have been found in the cities however it's generally assumed that the ISI knew they were there and have been supporting them
May 02 04:19:30 <archanamiya>	geniice: of course :P
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May 02 04:19:35 <gabrielf>	KSM was in a big city I think
May 02 04:19:37 <archanamiya>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden <--- "seized" the body?
May 02 04:19:42 <archanamiya>	gabrielf: was he?
May 02 04:19:55 <gabrielf>	rawalpindi
May 02 04:20:00 <geniice>	there was a more recent taliban person
May 02 04:20:20 <archanamiya>	not bad
May 02 04:20:22 <gabrielf>	which I think is the headquarters of the pakistani army and ISI
May 02 04:20:34 <archanamiya>	prisoners escape in Afghanistan
May 02 04:20:34 <archanamiya>	Osama gets off'd
May 02 04:20:35 <barts1a>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7Ha3VDbzE
May 02 04:20:36 <archanamiya>	good timing
May 02 04:21:20 <geniice>	that leaves Ayman al-Zawahiri and mullah Omar
May 02 04:21:25 <archanamiya>	"The documents sited Khalid saying that, if Osama Bin Laden is captured or killed by the Coalition of the Willing, an Al-Qaeda sleeper cell will detonate a "weapon of mass destruction" in a "secret location" in Europe, and promised it would be "a nuclear hellstorm"."
May 02 04:21:53 <archanamiya>	lol "sited?"
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May 02 04:22:04 <gabrielf>	i'm sure if they could do that they would have already
May 02 04:22:16 *	Jeske_Couriano trots into the room
May 02 04:22:22 <slon02>	it's a good thing I don't live in Europe
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May 02 04:22:31 <archanamiya>	slon02: hehe
May 02 04:22:33 <archanamiya>	gabrielf: true
May 02 04:22:55 <archanamiya>	gabrielf: mind games
May 02 04:23:24 <archanamiya>	Worldwide governments being told to increase security
May 02 04:23:35 <slon02>	can we do a reliability check on those sources?
May 02 04:23:36 <Ironholds>	no shit, sherlock
May 02 04:23:38 <barts1a>	in case of a backlash
May 02 04:23:49 *	MuZemike waves the red, white, & blue overhead
May 02 04:23:56 *	Ironholds sighs
May 02 04:24:06 <Ironholds>	can I make a quick point?
May 02 04:24:21 <HelloAnnyong>	does it involve funny hats?
May 02 04:24:33 <Ironholds>	your special forces, with their oodles of resources and training, have managed to kill a crippled pensioner who has to have dialysis twice a week
May 02 04:24:34 <archanamiya>	Pakistan officials confirming he was killed in Pakistan
May 02 04:24:40 *	Logan_ prepares for a 10-page dissertation written on the spot by Ironholds
May 02 04:24:48 <archanamiya>	fbi.gov is down :P
May 02 04:24:49 <Ironholds>	this is after he evaded said special forces for NINE YEARS, the soldiers being deceived by a JEEP AND A MOBILE PHONE
May 02 04:24:53 <Jeske_Couriano>	Ironholds) After trying - and failing - for *TEN YEARS*
May 02 04:24:55 <MuZemike>	lol
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May 02 04:24:58 <Ironholds>	it is NOT THAT IMPRESSIVE AN ACHIEVEMENT
May 02 04:25:01 *	MRB[away] is now known as matthewrbowker
May 02 04:25:02 <MuZemike>	@ the FBI's website
May 02 04:25:05 <archanamiya>	Ironholds: haha
May 02 04:25:12 <archanamiya>	MuZemike: :P
May 02 04:25:21 <HelloAnnyong>	Ironholds: we also kick old ladies in the park.
May 02 04:25:26 <archanamiya>	IMMA SAY IT NOW
May 02 04:25:28 <Jeske_Couriano>	Ironholds) It is, because our Special Forces are indeed special forces.
May 02 04:25:30 <archanamiya>	INB4 SHITSTORM
May 02 04:25:42 <Ironholds>	Jeske_Couriano: of the special needs variety, yes
May 02 04:25:42 <slon02>	fbi.gov isn't down
May 02 04:25:44 <Ironholds>	archanamiya, calm down
May 02 04:25:54 <archanamiya>	i g2g gents
May 02 04:25:54 <Jeske_Couriano>	Ironholds) That's what I meant. ;)
May 02 04:25:55 <archanamiya>	pce
May 02 04:26:06 <aleichem>	no caps plz
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May 02 04:26:16 <topaz>	wait, what?
May 02 04:26:23 <Dcoetzee>	Oh theirony
May 02 04:26:25 <slon02>	should we submit a tip  to the FBI on their website telling them that he's dead, or can they figure it out themselves?
May 02 04:26:34 <geniice>	Ironholds the  dialysis claim is kinda questionable
May 02 04:26:41 <Dcoetzee>	Bureaucracy moves slowly
May 02 04:26:44 <topaz>	so the U.S. has Prince Willaim in custody?
May 02 04:26:51 <Ironholds>	geniice: so at best, it took them a decade to kill a *sprightly* pensioner
May 02 04:26:55 *	MuZemike forgot about "We Are the Champions"
May 02 04:26:59 <geniice>	Ironholds and since when was 50s pensioner
May 02 04:26:59 <Headbomb>	Prince William gay-married Bin Laden
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May 02 04:27:08 <aleichem>	@slon02 try the yellow pages
May 02 04:27:09 <Gfoley4>	lol http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26619931/RS1146.png
May 02 04:27:13 <Headbomb>	therefore the US is declaring war on the UK
May 02 04:27:16 <gabrielf>	its hard to find one guy in a country of 100 million+
May 02 04:27:35 <Headbomb>	lol @ Gfoley4
May 02 04:27:48 <gabrielf>	looks like obama is going to speak in 2 minutes
May 02 04:28:14 <topaz>	anyone still have any doubts about Obama getting re-elected in 2012?
May 02 04:28:17 <gabrielf>	they had to tell all the bigshots first
May 02 04:28:17 <geniice>	Gfoley4 Mullah Omar and are still going
May 02 04:28:26 <MuZemike>	Ironically, "We Are the Champions" is from a British band, though (that is what people I hear are also singing right now)
May 02 04:28:33 <GorillaWarfare>	If we're prodding [[Death of Osama bin Laden]], should we remove {{main|Death of Osama bin Laden}}?
May 02 04:28:36 <barts1a>	topaz: With this it's an almost certainty
May 02 04:28:43 <Headbomb>	how sad is it that I'm waiting to see how FOX will spin this against Obama
May 02 04:28:48 <Logan_>	GorillaWarfare: not 'till it's deleted, most likely
May 02 04:28:50 <gabrielf>	never mind, apparently that was a "false" two minute warning
May 02 04:28:52 <MuZemike>	That article is going to be kept, once created.
May 02 04:28:53 <Jeske_Couriano>	Headbomb) They can't.
May 02 04:28:58 <Logan_>	MuZemike: Queen is awesome
May 02 04:29:03 <Headbomb>	Jeske_Couriano: watch them
May 02 04:29:24 <topaz>	Headbomb: "Obama fails to catch Bin Laden for more than two years"
May 02 04:29:25 <Jeske_Couriano>	Headbomb) If they do they'll end up damaging Republicans more.
May 02 04:29:26 <Headbomb>	They spun Canada's response to Katrina as an attempt to make Bush look bad
May 02 04:29:43 <Guerillero>	don't waste the PROD
May 02 04:29:51 <Logan_>	the PROD was removed
May 02 04:29:54 <Jeske_Couriano>	Remember, Bush failed to catch him during his whole presidency
May 02 04:30:00 <barts1a>	Meanwhile in other news: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/loud-bang-shakes-mine-workers-qantas-fifo-flight/story-e6frf7jx-1226048321513
May 02 04:30:09 <Headbomb>	They can spin Obama killing bin Laden as an attempt to want a new more active successor
May 02 04:30:21 <Headbomb>	and turning Afghanistan into a Bin Laden factory
May 02 04:30:26 <aleichem>	wikislow
May 02 04:30:33 <MuZemike>	Perhaps I can follow up with listening to "Another One Bites the Dust" :)
May 02 04:31:03 <Headbomb>	and giving pacifists an excuse to pull out of Afghanistan/Iraq/Pakistan, thus leaving them free to create more terrorists
May 02 04:31:06 <gabrielf>	interesting, they are saying it was special forces - not a drone strike
May 02 04:31:16 <Guerillero>	the vandals are coming in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden
May 02 04:31:29 <Jeske_Couriano>	Slap a Semi on it
May 02 04:31:36 <Guerillero>	it was done
May 02 04:31:45 <barts1a>	good
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May 02 04:33:01 <MuZemike>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OaSIK6sPIY
May 02 04:33:38 <Prodego>	most of the ip edits weren't vandalism
May 02 04:33:48 <barts1a>	US white house stream just went from the placeholder
May 02 04:34:11 <slon02>	it's the podium!
May 02 04:34:12 <gabrielf>	supposed to be 2 minutes from announcement now
May 02 04:34:23 <Brian_S>	They're saying it was JASOC
May 02 04:34:29 <gabrielf>	JSOC
May 02 04:34:35 <Brian_S>	Whatever
May 02 04:34:38 <Brian_S>	Oh
May 02 04:34:38 <Brian_S>	:P
May 02 04:34:41 <Brian_S>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Special_Operations_Command
May 02 04:34:42 <Brian_S>	:D
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May 02 04:35:16 <Logan_>	he's approaching the podium
May 02 04:35:18 <GorillaWarfare>	Here he comes
May 02 04:35:20 <Brian_S>	Here he is.
May 02 04:35:22 <aleichem>	i don't wanna spoil your party but do you think one will be rid of the rest of the cockroaches now?
May 02 04:35:29 <Gfoley4>	here he comes
May 02 04:35:30 <MuZemike>	Here we go
May 02 04:35:32 <barts1a>	YAY!
May 02 04:35:32 <Logan_>	"Good the U.S. did it!
May 02 04:35:32 <aleichem>	white house now
May 02 04:35:35 <GorillaWarfare>	Aaaand we got it
May 02 04:36:02 <Pilif12p>	confirmed
May 02 04:36:13 <Pilif12p>	he's dead
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May 02 04:36:40 <Headbomb>	Jeske_Couriano: most likely they will give flak to Obama for having waited a few days before making the announcement to polish his teleprompter speech or something
May 02 04:37:02 <Gfoley4>	here the news, BarkingFish?
May 02 04:37:04 <Gfoley4>	*hear
May 02 04:37:09 <geniice>	bla bla bla we don't need a 9/11 recap we want to know how Osama bin Laden was taken down
May 02 04:37:15 <Logan_>	heh
May 02 04:37:18 <BarkingFish>	Gfoley4: you bet
May 02 04:37:20 <Logan_>	you knew it was coming
May 02 04:37:24 <Gfoley4>	:D
May 02 04:37:24 <Logan_>	geniice: ^
May 02 04:37:28 <BarkingFish>	Watching the feed from the White House now
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May 02 04:37:50 <Sven_Manguard>	Jeske_Couriano: PM me please
May 02 04:38:46 <aleichem>	its a nice sequence - 1. birth cert - 2. press party 3. this now
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May 02 04:39:22 <MuZemike>	"Pockistan"
May 02 04:39:31 <Logan_>	abadabad?
May 02 04:39:42 <aleichem>	abababad?
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May 02 04:39:46 <Logan_>	Abbottabad
May 02 04:39:57 <Logan_>	time to semi-protect that article :P
May 02 04:40:17 <aleichem>	semi - rollback to 3 hours ago or so
May 02 04:40:32 <Logan_>	hah, Bush
May 02 04:40:44 <slon02>	why rollback?
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May 02 04:40:50 <Logan_>	"Yo bitches I got here first ya heard. "
May 02 04:40:52 <gabrielf>	already vandalized
May 02 04:41:21 <slon02>	I don't think it'll get hit a lot
May 02 04:41:22 <Logan_>	Prodego: can we get a semi on that?
May 02 04:41:24 <Logan_>	or GorillaWarfare
May 02 04:41:24 <slon02>	most people can't spell it
May 02 04:41:27 <Logan_>	slon02: it's already started
May 02 04:41:37 <GorillaWarfare>	Semi on what?
May 02 04:41:41 <slon02>	strike that, people are smarter than I thought
May 02 04:41:52 <aleichem>	what people?
May 02 04:42:11 <GorillaWarfare>	Oh, nm
May 02 04:42:13 <GorillaWarfare>	*nvm
May 02 04:42:14 <Logan_>	awesome, NW already did it
May 02 04:42:16 <slon02>	vandals
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May 02 04:44:01 <geniice>	we have a date of the hit do we have a location?
May 02 04:44:11 <aleichem>	amrica can do whatever we set our mind on?
May 02 04:44:13 <Krimpet>	He died in Abbottabad, per Obama.
May 02 04:44:15 <GorillaWarfare>	Abottabad?
May 02 04:44:19 <slon02>	Abbottabad
May 02 04:44:29 <Brian_S>	%B
May 02 04:44:30 <Brian_S>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbottabad
May 02 04:44:32 <Brian_S>	>_>
May 02 04:44:38 <aleichem>	healtcare for all
May 02 04:44:50 <MuZemike>	Amen.
May 02 04:44:52 *	MindstormsKid (~msk@Wikipedia/MindstormsKid) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 04:44:55 <barts1a>	that's it
May 02 04:45:24 <MuZemike>	Victory fanfare! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OaSIK6sPIY
May 02 04:45:59 <slon02>	they didn't want to take him alive?
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May 02 04:46:20 <aleichem>	don wanna get dirty hands
May 02 04:46:23 <Logan_>	damn, even the confirmed users are starting to edit Abbottabad
May 02 04:46:25 <gabrielf>	8-month long process
May 02 04:46:26 <Logan_>	without reliable sources
May 02 04:46:33 <slon02>	then again, I can imagine the temptation for terrorists..attacking the place where Osama is being held captive
May 02 04:46:33 <Jeske_Couriano>	*trrrrr*DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOOOOO DOOOOO DOOOOO DOOT DOO DOOO~!
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May 02 04:47:19 <aleichem>	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1243411/Pictured-FBI-releases-age-enhanced-images-bin-Laden.html
May 02 04:47:32 <NA_0>	I found a way that editing a page and pressing save without changing anything can still show up as an edit!
May 02 04:47:42 <barts1a>	WP:SNOW? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden
May 02 04:47:44 <Headbomb>	on the plus side
May 02 04:47:55 <Headbomb>	people will shut up about the royal wedding now
May 02 04:48:07 <Brian_S>	Saw it, aleichem.
May 02 04:48:07 <MuZemike>	Headshot!
May 02 04:48:10 <Brian_S>	That's old news.
May 02 04:48:17 <Jeske_Couriano>	Feelings?
May 02 04:48:30 <Jeske_Couriano>	You know who has a lot of feelings?
May 02 04:48:52 *	Teles (~chatzilla@wikimedia/teles) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 02 04:48:54 <Jeske_Couriano>	Folks what bludgeon their wives to death with a golf trophy. Professionals have %Bstandards%B.
May 02 04:48:54 <Gfoley4>	lol, the Phillies fans are cheering his death
May 02 04:49:23 <barts1a>	EVERYONE will be
May 02 04:49:33 <MuZemike>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW8ko4x5ukg
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May 02 04:50:27 <Guerillero>	do you think I am going to have high school in the morning
May 02 04:50:32 <gabrielf>	yes
May 02 04:50:33 <Jeske_Couriano>	Yes
May 02 04:50:41 <Guerillero>	hehe
May 02 04:50:43 <Logan_>	Brian_S: block that bozo who just replaced the content at Osama bin Laden, please
May 02 04:50:47 <Logan_>	Djuplina
May 02 04:50:49 <Guerillero>	I knew that
May 02 04:50:52 <Jeske_Couriano>	Whack the motherfucker
May 02 04:50:53 <Brian_S>	Blocked already.
May 02 04:50:55 <GorillaWarfare>	Who's the guy in the crowd with the "Bush/Cheney" sign? o.O
May 02 04:50:58 <geniice>	Guerillero britian has a bank holiday tomorrow
May 02 04:51:03 <Brian_S>	Thank Krimpet.
May 02 04:51:08 <aleichem>	i dont't think 1 guy less will make such a difference
May 02 04:51:10 <Jeske_Couriano>	Whip out the weapon, wax the motherfucker, deposit him directly into the colon
May 02 04:51:11 <gabrielf>	unless you tell them a close relative died
May 02 04:51:12 <geniice>	GorillaWarfare an arsehole
May 02 04:51:25 <Guerillero>	???
May 02 04:51:34 <Guerillero>	she is in here I think
May 02 04:51:45 <Logan_>	geniice: you know, putting a colon after "GorillaWarfare" would make that statement a lot less ambiguous :P
May 02 04:51:57 <GorillaWarfare>	:D
May 02 04:51:57 <MuZemike>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=427004833&oldid=427004717
May 02 04:52:05 <SpitfireWP>	geniice, heh.
May 02 04:52:14 <Logan_>	MuZemike: already blocked
May 02 04:52:23 <MuZemike>	Speaking of that, where's [[User:JI Hawkins]] at, to say that bin Laden was killed by Colonel Sanders?
May 02 04:52:26 <barts1a>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Djuplina
May 02 04:52:44 <Jeske_Couriano>	MuZemike) That's not part of Hawkins' MO
May 02 04:53:02 <slon02>	Is Sky News a reliable source?
May 02 04:53:03 <Jeske_Couriano>	Hawkins' MO is one half KFC and one half SCP Foundation
May 02 04:54:41 <Jeske_Couriano>	bin Laden dying is too mundane
May 02 04:54:53 <Dragonfly6-7>	bin laden shitting himself
May 02 04:55:12 <Krimpet>	Edit of the day. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Osama_bin_Laden&action=historysubmit&diff=427005280&oldid=427005233
May 02 04:55:15 <Jeske_Couriano>	That's South Park, Dragnfly6-8
May 02 04:55:18 <Jeske_Couriano>	*6-7
May 02 04:55:19 <HelloAnnyong>	oh god
May 02 04:55:25 <HelloAnnyong>	4chan is celebrating with trannies
May 02 04:55:32 <Guerillero>	lol
May 02 04:55:39 <matthewrbowker>	LOL
May 02 04:55:47 <barts1a>	that's how they celebrate ANYTHING
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May 02 04:55:55 <Guerillero>	this is the fastest ITN I have ever seen
May 02 04:56:34 <Jeske_Couriano>	http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-series#toc2
May 02 04:56:43 <Guerillero>	lolz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Osama_bin_Laden#Edit_request_from_137.216.94.156.2C_2_May_2011
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May 02 04:57:15 <Logan_>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Osama_bin_Laden&diff=prev&oldid=427005525 block that mofo
May 02 04:57:28 <HelloAnnyong>	urgh
May 02 04:57:34 <HelloAnnyong>	can we sprot the talk page too?
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May 02 04:57:53 <geniice>	hmm Abbottabad just recived one heck of a profile boost
May 02 04:58:08 <gabrielf>	so I think Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC learned about Abbottabad from wikipedia
May 02 04:58:22 <Guerillero>	:D
May 02 04:58:24 <Logan_>	hehe
May 02 04:58:24 <gabrielf>	she just summarized the first two sentences of our article
May 02 04:58:25 <slon02>	and we learned about it from Andrea Mitchell
May 02 04:58:27 <geniice>	I think everyone did
May 02 04:58:32 <Logan_>	Wikipedia is awesome :)
May 02 04:58:37 <geniice>	poor James Abbott
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May 02 04:58:42 <Guerillero>	should I get on huggle?
May 02 04:58:42 <barts1a>	Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
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May 02 04:59:03 <HelloAnnyong>	barts1a: if you go to /b on 4ch it plays that song now.
May 02 04:59:08 <geniice>	barts1a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg is somewhat more relivant
May 02 04:59:23 <matthewrbowker>	Guerillero: Hmmm... You may need to by the sound of it.
May 02 04:59:25 *	matthewrbowker starts Huggle.
May 02 04:59:35 <Guerillero>	ok
May 02 04:59:36 <aleichem>	bloddy h..l - someone dared to revert me
May 02 04:59:38 <Logan_>	can we get Abbottabad semi-prot'd?
May 02 04:59:40 <Logan_>	kthx
May 02 04:59:54 <Guerillero>	4chan is down
May 02 05:00:00 <Prodego>	yay
May 02 05:00:08 <barts1a>	DDoS due to high demand I think
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May 02 05:00:17 <tommorris_>	despite being what 4chan would call a Eurofag, gotta say: America Fuck Yeah
May 02 05:00:17 <Jeske_Couriano>	Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray, South Pacific, Walter Winchell, bin Laden eats boolet
May 02 05:00:35 <matthewrbowker>	Jeske_Couriano: LOL
May 02 05:00:37 <barts1a>	tommorris_ Agreed
May 02 05:00:38 <Logan_>	geniice: can you protect?
May 02 05:00:50 <barts1a>	Welll... I am in Australia
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May 02 05:01:06 <SudoGhost>	Might want to keep an eye on [[Abbottabad]] too
May 02 05:01:18 <Logan_>	SudoGhost: that's what I'm trying to convince the admins to protect :P
May 02 05:01:21 <Logan_>	semi-protected, that is
May 02 05:01:21 <SpitfireWP>	wb, GorillaWarfare. :P
May 02 05:01:22 <SudoGhost>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abbottabad&diff=427005721&oldid=427005521
May 02 05:01:41 <Guerillero>	24 RPM
May 02 05:01:44 <gabrielf>	can someone take a look at the population of Abbotabad, infobox says 27,000 in 1998 but article text says 81,000
May 02 05:01:49 <gabrielf>	and both sources are dead links
May 02 05:02:00 <SudoGhost>	Logan_, yeah, I think it would be good to semi-protect it for a few days, at least.
May 02 05:02:08 <tommorris_>	I had my first "vandalise WP from a shared IP address to piss you off" attack today.
May 02 05:02:22 <GorillaWarfare>	I'm actually heading out again, but thanks SpitfireWP :]
May 02 05:02:34 <GorillaWarfare>	Logan_: It's not semi'd?
May 02 05:02:46 <Logan_>	GorillaWarfare: no - can you do it please?
May 02 05:03:02 <Prodego>	gabrielf: http://www.census.gov.pk/NWFP/ABBOTTABAD.htm
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May 02 05:03:14 <Logan_>	thanks Gorilla
May 02 05:03:15 <GorillaWarfare>	Logan_: Yes, I just semi'd for three days
May 02 05:03:40 <slon02>	gabrielf: 1998 was 81,000
May 02 05:03:56 <gabrielf>	Prodego: there's an interesting point - it may turn out that he was killed in [[Abbottabad District]] not [[Abbotabad]] city
May 02 05:04:16 <gabrielf>	looks like there's some formatting issues at [[Abbottabad District]]
May 02 05:04:22 <geniice>	hard to say
May 02 05:04:38 <geniice>	we know he was killed in a compound which is usualy a more rural structure
May 02 05:04:57 *	KFP is now known as KFP_sleep
May 02 05:05:12 <Guerillero>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hide-and-seek&action=historysubmit&diff=427006564&oldid=426189067  the best dif ever
May 02 05:05:21 <Dragonfly6-7>	geniice - apparently 'compound' has a certain meaning in india/pakistan?
May 02 05:05:34 <SudoGhost>	Thank you GorillaWarfare
May 02 05:05:42 <GorillaWarfare>	Sure
May 02 05:05:46 <barts1a>	Guerillero: agreed
May 02 05:06:11 <SudoGhost>	Dragonfly6-7, [[Compound (enclosure)]]
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May 02 05:08:19 <geniice>	I think the issues is that the term Compound is used as result of the lack of better term for a series of adjoining buildings belonging to one extended famility with a single perimeter fence
May 02 05:09:22 <aleichem>	is this a good sort of article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden ?? Death of xxx?
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May 02 05:09:52 <gabrielf>	its very common for people to give the name of the nearest big city or the name of the region when they are talking about an obscure place
May 02 05:09:53 <Guerillero>	the afd failed
May 02 05:10:12 <barts1a>	WP:SNOW
May 02 05:10:17 <gabrielf>	we should probably semi-protect [[Abbottabad District]] and [[Abbottabad Central]]
May 02 05:10:18 <barts1a>	need I say more
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May 02 05:11:39 <Logan_>	Guerillero: you have a talk page message
May 02 05:11:47 <tommorris_>	aleichem: I'd say that in the case of the most wanted terrorist organiser being killed by U.S forces, and Obama giving a press conference etc. kind of makes it significant
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May 02 05:12:04 <geniice>	aleichem it's survived AFD so yes
May 02 05:12:07 <Guerillero>	I see
May 02 05:12:07 <tommorris_>	I mean, we've got [[Death of Michael Jackson]]...
May 02 05:12:17 <Guerillero>	It was disruptive
May 02 05:12:28 <Guerillero>	he edited others talk comments
May 02 05:12:34 <tommorris_>	and [[Death of Diana, Princess of Wales]] and so on
May 02 05:12:37 <Guerillero>	I am waiting for signbot
May 02 05:14:42 <Headbomb>	great, the tea partiers are bashing the crowd in front of the whitehouse and elsewhere for being mindless Obama-worshippers liberal/students/etc...
May 02 05:15:01 <Guerillero>	lol
May 02 05:15:07 <Guerillero>	go figure
May 02 05:15:09 <geniice>	Headbomb also bashing them for not being black enough
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May 02 05:15:29 <Headbomb>	because obviously, they are happy Obama is getting a boost in numbers, and not that bin Laden is dead
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May 02 05:15:41 <zscout370>	from the shots I am seeing, I see a lot of Tea Party like flags (such as the Gadsden flag)
May 02 05:16:22 <Headbomb>	 also they want to see a death certificate
May 02 05:16:28 <Guerillero>	he just won 2012
May 02 05:16:55 <Headbomb>	and they bitch about the "coincidence" of the birth certificate release, white house conference dinner, and this
May 02 05:17:04 <geniice>	Guerillero I don't think so
May 02 05:17:22 <tommorris_>	if it was anything more than a coincidence, then go Obama.
May 02 05:17:24 <matthewrbowker>	Guerillero: We'll see.  A lot of analysts said that McCain won in 2008 by announcing his VP the night of Obama's speech.
May 02 05:17:49 <zscout370>	Headbomb: I seen people on my FB that are upset that it wasn't Bush that took him out and Obama even mentioned himself in the speech
May 02 05:17:50 <tommorris_>	tea party haters gonna hate
May 02 05:18:00 <slon02>	9/11 helped Bush, Osama will help Obama
May 02 05:18:06 <Headbomb>	matthewrbowker: and many more saying Obama won when McCain announced Palin as his runing mate
May 02 05:18:06 <NA_0>	ITN is broken
May 02 05:18:07 <Gfoley4>	tommorris_: :(
May 02 05:18:11 <NA_0>	On the main page
May 02 05:18:35 <Krimpet>	Obama won in 2012 the day that budget in Wisconsin was passed.
May 02 05:18:39 <Gfoley4>	NA_0 no?
May 02 05:18:44 <Gfoley4>	there is just no image
May 02 05:18:57 <NA_0>	It's fixed now
May 02 05:19:02 <tommorris_>	it'll be interesting to see how the tea party idiots spin this. how can Obama be an evil liberal socialist Muslim *and* kill Osama?
May 02 05:19:04 <Dragonfly6-7>	success has a million fathers, failure is an oprhan
May 02 05:19:38 <barts1a>	If Obama fired the bullet that killed Osama himself I would REALLY be impressed
May 02 05:19:43 <zscout370>	NA_0: the image had the wrong license, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#OBL_image
May 02 05:20:00 <geniice>	barts1a I wouldn't. I wanted him to rot in jail but hey
May 02 05:20:01 <slon02>	"Members of Congress were briefed on the news by Vice President Joe Biden throughout the weekend, according to a Senate aide."
May 02 05:20:18 <barts1a>	geniice: They couldn't GET him into jail
May 02 05:20:33 <tommorris_>	twitter: "I kinda want Obama's 2012 campaign poster to be him, wearing sunglasses, cigarette in one hand, the head of Osama bin Laden in the other."
May 02 05:20:44 <slon02>	and if they could get him to into jail, he wouldn't stay in jail
May 02 05:20:46 <NA_0>	The problem was that the news of Bin Laden's death was indented, so it did not wrap.
May 02 05:20:51 <barts1a>	It was either put a bullet in his head (Or action that effect) or spend billions on a pointless excercise
May 02 05:20:58 <NA_0>	But, as I said, it is fixed now.
May 02 05:21:01 <geniice>	is Obama still smoking
May 02 05:21:08 <slon02>	he quit over a year ago I think
May 02 05:21:17 <geniice>	barts1a  bullet in his head is quick, rotting in jail isn't
May 02 05:21:40 <tommorris_>	another great tweet: "So when Obama said last week he had 'better stuff to do' than talk about his birth certificate... Yeah."
May 02 05:21:49 <barts1a>	whatever the case; the problem is solved now
May 02 05:22:33 <barts1a>	AFK. It's midday here
May 02 05:22:38 <Guerillero>	couldn't commons wait
May 02 05:22:54 <geniice>	for what?
May 02 05:23:01 <Guerillero>	deleting the image
May 02 05:23:09 <zscout370>	Guerillero: we had the image deleted years ago
May 02 05:23:38 <Krimpet>	Clearly Obama strategically timed this operation to drown out the news of that moronic royal wedding.
May 02 05:23:41 <zscout370>	in March of 2008 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:Osama_Bin_Laden.jpg
May 02 05:24:29 <geniice>	Krimpet it was a great royal wedding, people managed to get drunk even by glasgow's standards
May 02 05:24:33 <tommorris_>	Krimpet: speaking as a Brit, I'd be very happy if that were the case.
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May 02 05:25:01 <geniice>	tommorris_ eh it's the employeers who are really pissed
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May 02 05:25:06 <zscout370>	the image that was deleted was on the en.wp side
May 02 05:25:42 <topaz>	"Sorry it took so long to get you a copy of my birth certificate..." http://i.imgur.com/KDssc.jpg
May 02 05:26:22 <closedmouth>	cue roger daltrey
May 02 05:26:54 <tommorris_>	tweet; "Nothing stops birth certificate talk like a nice death certificate."
May 02 05:27:14 <topaz>	I understand Donald Trump has already demanded to see the long-form death certificate.
May 02 05:27:23 <Krimpet>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4_eSW6D6sc ?
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May 02 05:28:51 <Logan_>	haha, there would be a WikiNews article about it
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May 02 05:30:18 <tommorris_>	Logan_: of course.
May 02 05:30:33 <tommorris_>	my first thought was "I bet nobody on Wikinews has done anything about this yet"
May 02 05:30:39 <tommorris_>	then I go on there and am pleasantly surprised
May 02 05:30:51 <Guerillero>	they are good too
May 02 05:30:53 <Guerillero>	night all
May 02 05:31:00 <slon02>	the Asian Tribune claims he was killed in Islamabad
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May 02 05:32:34 <tommorris_>	tweet: "BREAKING: US TERROR ALERT LEVEL RAISED TO "CONFETTI.""
May 02 05:32:50 <matthewrbowker>	tommorris_: LOL
May 02 05:32:53 <CR90>	RANDOM PATRIOTIC MOMENT: America wins, bitches! :D
May 02 05:32:56 <tommorris_>	Guardian have a live blog about the death - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-live
May 02 05:33:31 <Headbomb>	topaz: and when he gets it , he's going to start rumors that Obama isn't a qualified Commander in Chief
May 02 05:33:40 <Headbomb>	and that he has a terrible record with terrorists
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May 02 05:35:42 <Guerillero>	bin laden is dead laura
May 02 05:35:49 <Guerillero>	Halse
May 02 05:35:54 <killiondude>	is Guerillero a bot?
May 02 05:36:04 <Guerillero>	no
May 02 05:36:12 <matthewrbowker>	huh?
May 02 05:36:32 <Guerillero>	you can check my userpage if you want
May 02 05:36:53 <Guerillero>	or the fact that I am huggleing under In actu
May 02 05:37:07 <killiondude>	I think this bot is broken.
May 02 05:37:26 <LauraHale>	Guerillero: Heard.  Saw it on CNN while at an NYC pizzareia in Auckland.
May 02 05:37:36 <LauraHale>	Life is weird. Not idea what will happen next.
May 02 05:37:45 *	Guerillero nods
May 02 05:37:59 <geniice>	hmm long term what's going to be done with Osama bin Laden's body?
May 02 05:38:05 <Guerillero>	killiondude: go away
May 02 05:38:09 <Guerillero>	no idea
May 02 05:38:20 <Guerillero>	that will be a political nightmare
May 02 05:38:23 <geniice>	saudi arabia is unlikely to accept it
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May 02 05:38:49 <matthewrbowker>	Hmmm... Cremate it?
May 02 05:39:13 <geniice>	india was able to bury the mumbai attackers secretly but I'm not sure the US would be able to do that
May 02 05:39:28 <geniice>	islamic law doesn't like Cremation
May 02 05:39:37 <slon02>	I propose hanging it in the center of NYC and burning it
May 02 05:39:42 <LauraHale>	geniice: That was my question because the politics of THAT decision and the martyr aspects.
May 02 05:39:48 <zscout370>	drawn and quarter?
May 02 05:40:02 <geniice>	zscout370 this is not the 14th century
May 02 05:40:15 <Krimpet>	Give him one of those posthumous Mormon baptisms.
May 02 05:40:20 <Guerillero>	but then It will create enemies in the mid east
May 02 05:40:45 <slon02>	hang it upside down, stone it, and burn it- go that little step more than we did with Mussolini
May 02 05:40:56 <geniice>	burried secretly buy one of the US militery's muslim chaplains might be the best bet
May 02 05:41:02 <LauraHale>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_netball  Is the wording "should" okay in the article?  Or is it unencyclopediac?
May 02 05:41:05 *	sonia|dentist is now known as sonia
May 02 05:41:17 <geniice>	slon02 we didn't do that to Mussolini the italians did
May 02 05:41:35 <slon02>	everyone who fights against evil is united as one
May 02 05:41:55 <zscout370>	LauraHale: I think it is fine
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May 02 05:42:00 <geniice>	LauraHale "should" is fine
May 02 05:42:05 <geniice>	slon02 not so
May 02 05:42:20 <LauraHale>	Thanks zscout370  and geniice .  I just wanted to make sure. :)
May 02 05:42:26 <slon02>	every fight is a collaborative effort
May 02 05:42:46 <geniice>	slon02 the british empire was very good at devide and rule agaist the various people fighting it
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May 02 05:43:31 <slon02>	but they remain united through a common bond that cannot be destroyed by tyrannic oppression
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May 02 05:44:29 <Dragonfly6-7>	bury bin-ladin's body in pigshit?
May 02 05:44:52 <barts1a>	That's too good for him
May 02 05:45:15 <zscout370>	I know with Muslim burials, they need to face Mecca
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May 02 05:45:45 <barts1a>	First he'll spend a year in the incinerator... Year 2: Cryogenic storage then 10 years in the room they built where robots scream at you. Then they'll bury him
May 02 05:46:21 <Headbomb>	the crowd is still going at it and it's been 2 hours now...
May 02 05:46:27 <Ironholds>	*sigh*
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May 02 05:46:49 <barts1a>	This is this generation's moon landing
May 02 05:47:01 <killiondude>	what
May 02 05:47:04 <Ironholds>	no. no it's not.
May 02 05:47:07 <barts1a>	a great achievemnt celebrated globally conducted by the US
May 02 05:47:11 <Ironholds>	it is not in any way this generation's moon landing
May 02 05:47:14 *	sonia throws barts1a out the window
May 02 05:47:24 <Ironholds>	if you think that you fail to understand both the symbolism of the moon landing and what this means
May 02 05:47:35 <Ironholds>	although if it IS this generation's moon landing..fuck it. just kill me already.
May 02 05:47:49 <Headbomb>	it's not this generation's moon landing
May 02 05:47:54 <barts1a>	what else is there to do?
May 02 05:47:55 <Headbomb>	and IH said it, if it is...fuck
May 02 05:48:07 <Ironholds>	barts1a: cure cancer. cure AIDS. Fuck the chinese premier live on television
May 02 05:48:09 <barts1a>	The defecit makes mars impossible this century
May 02 05:48:19 <Ironholds>	see the deficit cleared up. Free trade for all.
May 02 05:48:24 <Ironholds>	the elimination of the republican party
May 02 05:48:29 <Ironholds>	you want me to write a list?
May 02 05:48:29 <Headbomb>	electing Obama / getting rid of Bush felt much more of a moon landing moment than this
May 02 05:48:47 <Ironholds>	barts1a: you're actually equating the death of a pensioner with a mars landing
May 02 05:48:49 <Headbomb>	and that even doesn't compare
May 02 05:48:57 *	Ironholds headdesks
May 02 05:49:06 *	barts1a gets out of the room
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May 02 05:49:29 <Ironholds>	one beardy fuck gets shot and suddenly everyone drops 30 IQ points
May 02 05:50:22 *	tommorris_ rather likes the fact that ObL is dead but no way is it this generation's moon landing
May 02 05:50:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ironholds - I'd say he's "May 2011's Moon Landing"
May 02 05:50:37 <Dragonfly6-7>	for America, anyway
May 02 05:50:47 <Dragonfly6-7>	if canada manages to elect an NDP government tomorrow, that'll be *our* moon landing
May 02 05:50:54 *	tommorris_ would rather like it if U.S. special forces would secretly off the people who say stupid shit like that.
May 02 05:51:12 <tommorris_>	Eugenics: Fuck Yeah.
May 02 05:51:16 <tommorris_>	;-)
May 02 05:51:17 <Dragonfly6-7>	and you can't cure cancer, because cancer is not one individual disease
May 02 05:51:27 <tommorris_>	cure AIDS though
May 02 05:51:32 <tommorris_>	that'd be pretty cool
May 02 05:51:52 <Headbomb>	or vaccine it
May 02 05:51:56 <tommorris_>	or cure Donald Trump.
May 02 05:52:05 <Headbomb>	*or develop a vaccine for it
May 02 05:52:14 <Headbomb>	tommorris_: time will take care of trump
May 02 05:52:17 <zscout370>	the news was describing it as our VJ Day
May 02 05:52:29 <tommorris_>	what, America's VJ day?
May 02 05:52:33 <tommorris_>	isn't that... VJ day?
May 02 05:53:21 <zscout370>	tommorris_: well, the killing of Osama and the events surrounding it was described as our victory over Japan in 1945
May 02 05:53:32 <tommorris_>	yeah, really?
May 02 05:53:35 <tommorris_>	that's kinda dumb
May 02 05:53:48 *	zscout370 shrugs
May 02 05:53:49 <tommorris_>	picking off one guy in the middle of the night is so not comparable to bombing the fuck out of two large cities
May 02 05:54:05 <Headbomb>	that is a more apt comparison
May 02 05:54:24 <Headbomb>	although that war ain't over by any strech of the imagination
May 02 05:54:47 <zscout370>	right but we didn't think at the time of bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have ended that war
May 02 05:55:08 <Ironholds>	pretty sure you did
May 02 05:55:16 <Ironholds>	hence why you kinda asked the japs to surrender after the first one
May 02 05:56:07 <Headbomb>	and after the second one it was pretty damned clear the japaneses didn't have much of a choice
May 02 05:56:26 <Ironholds>	zscout370: you are familiar with both the Potsdam Declaration and the president's reaction to the first bombing, right?
May 02 05:57:02 <zscout370>	Ironholds: I know Truman was begging for God's forgiveness saying "what have we done"
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May 02 05:57:20 <geniice>	looks like it actualy was Abbottabad rather than the wider Abbottabad region
May 02 05:57:38 <Ironholds>	zscout370: so you don't know that the Potsdam Declaration was a demand for unilateral surrender, with the penalty being massive obliteration?
May 02 05:57:48 <dfb>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Osama_bin_Laden&diff=prev&oldid=427011509 isn't soapboxing, I really want to know whether those things happen
May 02 05:57:51 <Ironholds>	and that the President's speech after the bombing called for the same thing, with threats of further nuclear reprisals?
May 02 05:57:56 <zscout370>	Ironholds: I am more familiar with the San Francisco treaty than that
May 02 05:58:06 <Ironholds>	I would remind all parties to this conversation of rule 3
May 02 05:58:13 <Ironholds>	don't talk shit about shit you know shit all about.
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May 02 05:58:43 <killiondude>	Ironholds: You regularly do that. :-P
May 02 05:58:55 <zscout370>	but I do agree that this is not our moon landing
May 02 05:59:00 <geniice>	america was threatening futher nuclear strikes after Nagasaki although it didn't have any nuclear bombs left
May 02 05:59:06 <tommorris_>	Ironholds: who passed that law?
May 02 05:59:13 <wctaiwan>	bin laden dead, yay?
May 02 05:59:18 <Ironholds>	tommorris_: it's one of my rules
May 02 05:59:21 <Ironholds>	wctaiwan: please, no
May 02 05:59:21 <tommorris_>	ah, okay
May 02 05:59:28 <wctaiwan>	sorry.
May 02 05:59:33 <Ironholds>	it'd be nice to have it enshrined in law, though
May 02 05:59:35 <tommorris_>	wctaiwan: we've already had a speedily kept AfD on the topic.
May 02 05:59:47 <Ironholds>	"Prime Minister, what do you think about [case]?" "I think you can get Joshua Rozenburg in here or fuck off"
May 02 05:59:59 <Ironholds>	and now people are claiming his death acts as a deterrent
May 02 06:00:00 <wctaiwan>	I'm not going to put up an AfD.
May 02 06:00:02 <Ironholds>	great lordy loo
May 02 06:00:17 <geniice>	we got one of his sprogs
May 02 06:00:19 <wctaiwan>	okay okay, no intention to start a debate here.
May 02 06:00:26 <tommorris_>	what? great deterrent - you can mastermind a major terrorist plot and ten years later, we might kill you
May 02 06:00:37 *	sonia smiles
May 02 06:00:49 <zscout370>	I think it is more of a creation of a power struggle than anything else
May 02 06:00:59 <geniice>	zscout370>	doubtful
May 02 06:01:05 <Headbomb>	at a cost of several trillions of dollars and one unecessary war
May 02 06:01:31 <tommorris_>	“It sure seems like Obama’s job as secret Muslim operative imposing Sharia law on the US just got a whole lot harder.”
May 02 06:01:33 <Ironholds>	tommorris_: I was more thinking "you can mastermind a major terrorist plot and ten years later, we might kill you, which is great since dying in exchange for blowing us up is kind of what you want"
May 02 06:01:34 <killiondude>	I wish Hussein and his rape chambers were alive and well!
May 02 06:01:48 <dfb>	does anyone other than chzz think http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Osama_bin_Laden&diff=427011597&oldid=427011509 is soapboxing?
May 02 06:02:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	killiondude - please remember, his name was *Saddam*. "Hussein" was his father.
May 02 06:02:13 <geniice>	central Al-Qaeda has very little power and Ayman al-Zawahiri's position as number 2 is rock solid
May 02 06:02:16 <Ironholds>	dfb: obviously
May 02 06:02:31 <dfb>	why?
May 02 06:02:56 <dfb>	Are the implications of Osama's death not a legitimate subject of inquiry?
May 02 06:03:31 <tommorris_>	sure, once a few more sources trickle in, it might be worth adding a sentence to the article saying something about how some people reckon this is the end of the war on terror
May 02 06:03:37 <Ironholds>	dfb: given that the talkpage is designed for discussion *of the article*, and that the tone is deliberately inflamatory, no
May 02 06:03:37 <killiondude>	That seems completely unrelated to helping the article.
May 02 06:03:41 *	sonia doubts it, tommorris_
May 02 06:03:45 *	tommorris_ has a funny feeling that nothing could ever end the war on terror
May 02 06:03:55 <sonia>	^
May 02 06:03:59 <Headbomb>	dfb: it may not be soapboxing, but it's completely irrelevant to the article and pure speciulation at this point
May 02 06:04:09 <Sven_Manguard>	Can I get an admin please?
May 02 06:04:18 <Sven_Manguard>	one of the two of you?
May 02 06:04:25 <Dragonfly6-7>	Sven_Manguard - make it quick, I'm sleepy
May 02 06:04:27 <geniice>	yes
May 02 06:04:29 <Headbomb>	tommorris_: nothing can end the war on terror because "terror" is an idea, not an enemy you can kill
May 02 06:04:30 <tommorris_>	we could have 5,000 Al Qaeda types in bodybags, and we'd still have to take our shoes off in the airport.
May 02 06:04:42 <Headbomb>	as long as there will be people, their will be terror
May 02 06:04:46 <Sven_Manguard>	is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Konstantin_and_Mouse_Wiki.jpg recreation of the deleted material File:Konstantin and Mouse DVD cover.jpg ?
May 02 06:04:48 <geniice>	helicopter crash I would have assumed osprey
May 02 06:05:04 <wctaiwan>	from the POV of a non-westerner, this conversation is so full of trollable points >_>
May 02 06:05:06 <dfb>	there is a direct connection between what people expect of the killing of a terrorist mastermind and whether associated undeclared "wars" will or will not stop
May 02 06:05:21 <geniice>	<Sven_Manguard eys
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May 02 06:05:25 <sonia>	lol wctaiwan
May 02 06:05:32 <Sven_Manguard>	geniice: then?
May 02 06:05:36 <Headbomb>	if you're speaking in terms of specifics with the war on afghanistan and iraq, no one bothered defining the conditions of victory, so claiming victory or defeat is meaningless
May 02 06:05:44 <Sven_Manguard>	shall it be turned to dust?
May 02 06:05:47 <geniice>	Sven_Manguard	 yes rather
May 02 06:05:54 <dfb>	killiondude, Ironholds?
May 02 06:06:08 <killiondude>	Hi.
May 02 06:06:11 <Sven_Manguard>	I don't believe that release
May 02 06:06:21 <Sven_Manguard>	and the article itself is up for AfD
May 02 06:06:48 <dfb>	are the expectations of osama's death a legitimate subject of inquiry when improving the osama article?
May 02 06:07:10 <killiondude>	Your post was completely unrelated.
May 02 06:07:14 <dfb>	how?
May 02 06:07:23 <killiondude>	How is 2+2 not 5?
May 02 06:07:26 <Ironholds>	dfb: it was horribly biased and not directed at the article content
May 02 06:07:28 <dfb>	please explain
May 02 06:07:28 <wctaiwan>	dfb: I think one can always argue that, but really, it's more likely to derail the comments than anything
May 02 06:07:37 <dfb>	biased toward what?
May 02 06:07:39 <wctaiwan>	comment on wikinews :s
May 02 06:07:43 <Headbomb>	2+2 is not 6 because 2+2 = PYGMIES + DWARVES
May 02 06:07:45 <Headbomb>	obviously
May 02 06:07:52 <killiondude>	heh.
May 02 06:07:54 <Headbomb>	*2+2 is not 5 because 2+2 = PYGMIES + DWARVES
May 02 06:08:25 <Headbomb>	killiondude: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharyngula_%28blog%29#PYGMIES_.2B_DWARFS fpr the long prof
May 02 06:08:31 <Headbomb>	*for the long proof
May 02 06:08:32 <dfb>	discussion of legitimate subjects of inquiry are likely to derail comments?
May 02 06:08:42 <Ironholds>	dfb: when phrased in a biased and inflammatory way, yes
May 02 06:08:56 <Headbomb>	discussion of legitimate subjects of inquiries are fine, when made at the relevant pages
May 02 06:08:58 <Headbomb>	this is not it
May 02 06:08:59 <dfb>	what was the bias and why was it inflamitory?
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May 02 06:09:14 <Ironholds>	dfb, if you honestly can't see any bias there, you're either stupid or deliberately ignorant
May 02 06:09:30 <dfb>	Headbomb: where would the inquiry be more relevant?
May 02 06:10:06 <dfb>	Ironholds: I would like to think I am neither.  Are you intelligent enough to explain what you think the bias was towards and why it struck you as inflammatory?
May 02 06:10:15 <Headbomb>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror would be the relevant article, but making those same comments there will have them reverted as well, since Wikipedia is not a forum
May 02 06:10:46 <dfb>	please explain how to raise those subjects so that the article(s) will be best improved
May 02 06:10:57 <tommorris_>	http://isosamabinladendeadyet.com/
May 02 06:11:17 <Headbomb>	dfb: please explain what this question has to do with improving article X
May 02 06:11:30 <Headbomb>	and how it's not some political POV trolling
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May 02 06:12:14 <dfb>	I will take your advice and try to extend the inquiry from the other article, Headbomb.  I will give Ironholds a chance to explain what he thinks the bias is towards and why it's inflammatory
May 02 06:12:43 <Headbomb>	"Can anyone confirm we're going to bring the troops home, give half the defense budget to the schools, and stop molesting people at airports?" <-- Inflamatory
May 02 06:12:49 <dfb>	why?
May 02 06:12:54 <wctaiwan>	molesting = POV
May 02 06:13:09 <dfb>	it's biased for or against molesters?
May 02 06:13:09 <wctaiwan>	give half of the defense budget to schools = canvassing for your own opinion
May 02 06:13:29 <Headbomb>	reallocating defense budget to favour schools = politics
May 02 06:13:30 <dfb>	canvassing?!?
May 02 06:13:31 <wctaiwan>	"down scale TSA checkpoints" = non-POV
May 02 06:14:02 <geniice>	TSA aren't unionised
May 02 06:14:10 <dfb>	Is it less canvassing or biased to ask whether we will keep the defense budget increasing?
May 02 06:14:19 <Sven_Manguard>	yes
May 02 06:14:23 <dfb>	why?
May 02 06:14:24 <geniice>	dfb depends on the context
May 02 06:14:24 <Sven_Manguard>	at an encyclopedia
May 02 06:14:29 <wctaiwan>	okay, perhaps not canvassing, but there's an implied point of view in that the current defense budget is misused.
May 02 06:14:30 <dfb>	why?
May 02 06:14:51 <geniice>	dfb the defence budget is largely unrelated to killing one person
May 02 06:15:04 <Headbomb>	and is a hot issue in general
May 02 06:15:06 <dfb>	says who?
May 02 06:15:22 <Headbomb>	it's politics, and you know it, and if you don't know it, then you shouldn't be making these comments in the first place
May 02 06:15:24 <geniice>	dfb err tactical reality?
May 02 06:15:32 <Sven_Manguard>	The encyclopedia is in the business of reporting reality from a neutral prospective. It has no business in asking questions or passing judgments, explicit or implicit.
May 02 06:15:45 <Sven_Manguard>	quote that, it came out nicely
May 02 06:16:01 <sonia>	Sven_Manguard: *perspective :p
May 02 06:16:09 <dfb>	there was a ten or eleven digit number of dollars associated with this one guy, at least.  Peace dividend = more teachers
May 02 06:16:22 <sonia>	dfb: or, new war
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May 02 06:16:37 <wctaiwan>	"Can anyone do some research on the effects of the death--e.g. whether the US troop level / defense budget will be altered, whether the airport checkpoints will remain as they are, etc." <-- imo something like that would be much more relevant than your original quote
May 02 06:16:39 <sonia>	o/ Osama
May 02 06:16:41 <wctaiwan>	hurray, new war.
May 02 06:16:48 <dfb>	Headbomb: I do not think it's politics, and who are you to tell me I shouldn't be making some category of comments?
May 02 06:17:00 <Osama>	Hey sonia.
May 02 06:17:02 <Sven_Manguard>	dfb I agree that the highest priority for USGOV spending needs to be education, however this is unrelated to the security dilemma.
May 02 06:17:05 <dfb>	wctaiwan: thank you! I will try that
May 02 06:17:06 <Headbomb>	dfb: want to be blocked or not? your choice
May 02 06:17:21 <dfb>	what would that solve?
May 02 06:17:34 <geniice>	Never forget I am not this account name, dfb. I am not a regular editor, I am not even some attempt to produce an admin-lite through software running on a computer. I am a wikipedia admin. We are close to gods, and on the far side. We are quicker; we live faster and more completely than you do, with so many more senses, such a greater store of memories and at such a fine level of detail.
May 02 06:17:39 <wctaiwan>	also, I can answer right now--too soon
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May 02 06:17:46 <wctaiwan>	so don't bother asking.
May 02 06:17:50 <killiondude>	geniice: i lol'd
May 02 06:17:52 <Headbomb>	think it's not politics all you want, but defense spending vs school spending, etc... IS politics
May 02 06:17:55 <Sven_Manguard>	geniice: nice rip off of a famous quote
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May 02 06:19:10 <dfb>	How is "whether the airport checkpoints will remain as they are" superior to "whether we will stop molesting people at airports"?
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May 02 06:19:25 <Sven_Manguard>	one makes judgement
May 02 06:19:31 <geniice>	molesting is subjective
May 02 06:19:46 <wctaiwan>	geniice: awesome quote for out of context situations :P
May 02 06:20:01 <dfb>	 we should not judge molestation?
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May 02 06:20:31 <geniice>	dfb it's not within wikipedia's remit to do so
May 02 06:20:37 <slakr>	dfb: the reason you want to use the term "molestation" is the reason why you can't use the term molestation.
May 02 06:20:42 <slakr>	you want to advance a point of view
May 02 06:20:58 <slakr>	that whatever they're doing be associated with the negative stigma of the word "molestation."
May 02 06:21:37 <slakr>	so the long and short of it
May 02 06:21:39 <dfb>	You are saying I might harm the TSA union?
May 02 06:21:40 <slakr>	is that no, you can't.
May 02 06:21:46 <slakr>	did I say that?
May 02 06:21:47 <slakr>	no.
May 02 06:22:00 <dfb>	why do you think I want to use the term "molestation"?
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May 02 06:22:01 <slakr>	I said you're trying to clearly advance an agenda by swapping that word in
May 02 06:22:18 <killiondude>	why do you think you think we think you want to use the term "molestation"
May 02 06:22:19 <Sven_Manguard>	right
May 02 06:22:30 <dfb>	what adgenda, the anti-TSA, anti-molestation agenda?
May 02 06:22:38 *	Ironholds headdesks
May 02 06:22:38 <Sven_Manguard>	this guy isn't getting it, cut him loose and move on
May 02 06:22:40 <slakr>	I have no idea
May 02 06:22:48 <slakr>	but whenever someone uses the word "molestation"
May 02 06:22:51 <slakr>	by swapping it in
May 02 06:22:52 <Prodego>	what is going on in here?
May 02 06:22:57 <killiondude>	slakr: please stop molesting dfb
May 02 06:23:01 <Krimpet>	Molestation, apparently.
May 02 06:23:03 <Sven_Manguard>	slakr, Ironholds, killiondude, geniice DFTT
May 02 06:23:05 <slakr>	exactly.
May 02 06:23:06 <dfb>	wait, are you going to help me figure out why I'm not following your rules?
May 02 06:23:08 <killiondude>	Sven_Manguard: I eat trolls.
May 02 06:23:12 <Headbomb>	you have the agenda of creating an association between airport procedures and molestation
May 02 06:23:16 <Headbomb>	aka, you're trolling
May 02 06:23:20 <Headbomb>	aka let's ban this guy
May 02 06:23:21 <dfb>	that's an agenda?
May 02 06:23:28 <dfb>	please don't
May 02 06:23:32 <Headbomb>	yes
May 02 06:23:36 <dfb>	why?
May 02 06:23:42 <killiondude>	dfb: You're NotGettingIt(tm)
May 02 06:23:46 <Sven_Manguard>	how to put this gently?
May 02 06:23:48 <Sven_Manguard>	you...
May 02 06:23:49 <killiondude>	either on purpose or otherwise.
May 02 06:23:50 <Sven_Manguard>	are...
May 02 06:23:52 <Sven_Manguard>	an...
May 02 06:23:53 <dfb>	I am going to talk to Chzz instead
May 02 06:23:53 <Sven_Manguard>	idiot...
May 02 06:24:00 *	slakr smacks Sven_Manguard
May 02 06:24:02 <Sven_Manguard>	Chzz has a limit
May 02 06:24:06 <Krimpet>	…*
May 02 06:24:12 <Sven_Manguard>	Chzz has a limit shorter than ours is
May 02 06:24:24 <Headbomb>	as it's been previously mentionned, either drop it or get banned
May 02 06:24:24 <slakr>	dfb: ok. However, there's nothing more we can do for you in this channel.
May 02 06:24:38 <slakr>	dfb: consider using the article's discussion page if you feel you need to use the word.
May 02 06:25:03 <Headbomb>	although several of us are wishing that you DO keep it up, so you DO get banned, and then we won't have to explain obvious stuff to you anymore
May 02 06:25:12 <dfb>	really?
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May 02 06:28:43 <Prodego>	Headbomb: knock it off, that's not helping
May 02 06:29:16 <Logan_>	haha, trout abuse much? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Logan&diff=cur
May 02 06:30:06 <killiondude>	Logan_: That's suspicious...
May 02 06:30:24 <Logan_>	killiondude: how so?
May 02 06:30:39 <killiondude>	They've made 4 edits and know about {{trout}}ing?
May 02 06:30:42 <killiondude>	or know of it
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May 02 06:30:50 <Headbomb>	obvious troll is obvious
May 02 06:30:51 <Logan_>	well, I have a trout button at the top right of my talk page
May 02 06:30:54 <killiondude>	oh
May 02 06:31:02 <killiondude>	i only looked at the diff and their contribs
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May 02 06:31:03 <Logan_>	:P
May 02 06:31:46 *	sonia creates socks and trouts Logan_ repeatedly
May 02 06:31:52 <Logan_>	haha
May 02 06:31:54 <Courcelles>	Anyone here have sysop rights on the Wikimedia Incubator?
May 02 06:32:06 <sonia>	Courcelles: no, would a steward do? :p
May 02 06:32:09 <Headbomb>	ah, then maybe not-so-obvious troll
May 02 06:32:17 <Headbomb>	maybe not-a-troll at all
May 02 06:32:31 <killiondude>	http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop
May 02 06:32:37 <MuZemike>	Alright, I'm back
May 02 06:32:41 <killiondude>	not many!
May 02 06:33:05 <closedmouth>	mike's back, everyone
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May 02 06:33:16 <killiondude>	I read it as "black"
May 02 06:33:22 <MuZemike>	Breaking my tradition that I normally don't drink while at home, tonight I have made an exception.
May 02 06:33:33 <killiondude>	in honor of America?
May 02 06:33:42 <MuZemike>	Who else?
May 02 06:34:11 <closedmouth>	osama
May 02 06:34:19 <dfb>	w00t yay America, we can take out terrorists masterminds, but we can't ask if it will end airport molestation
May 02 06:34:32 <Krimpet>	MuZemike drank to the memory of his dead homeboy.
May 02 06:34:45 *	closedmouth pours a 40
May 02 06:34:53 *	closedmouth molests dfb
May 02 06:34:55 <killiondude>	dfb is still on the molestation topic
May 02 06:35:03 <killiondude>	see, you were just asking for it
May 02 06:35:37 *	dfb withdraws in shock and revulsion, resolving to travel by train and car
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May 02 06:36:17 <geniice>	an pics of the body out yet?
May 02 06:36:28 <Ironholds>	dfb: correct, because everything is about america
May 02 06:36:46 <Brian_S>	GO AMERICA
May 02 06:37:08 <Krimpet>	geniice, just full-body backscatter X-rays.
May 02 06:37:16 *	sonia takes photographs of dfb being molested and posts them on the internet.
May 02 06:37:18 <Sven_Manguard>	tingly
May 02 06:38:18 <mindspillage>	I opted out the other day. I don't mind sensual full-body massage but the TSA officer's technique leaves something to be desired. :-P
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May 02 06:42:39 <dfb>	Ironholds: what are the security checkpoint inspections like in your country?
May 02 06:43:06 <Headbomb>	dfb drop it
May 02 06:43:08 <geniice>	irony
May 02 06:43:21 <Headbomb>	no one gives a fuck
May 02 06:43:29 <geniice>	we may get a better [[Islamic funeral]] article out of bin larden's death
May 02 06:43:31 <dfb>	the TSA isn't even allowed to wear dosometers, they and their families might care
May 02 06:44:15 <Headbomb>	write a letter to your congress representative then
May 02 06:44:21 <geniice>	dfb the radation levels from the backscatter X-rays are negligable. I've been hit by more radiation working in a school
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May 02 06:44:42 <Headbomb>	and X-rays levels from X-ray scanners are ridiculously low
May 02 06:44:54 <Prodego>	geniice: it actually is rather high in terms of typical exposure
May 02 06:45:14 <Headbomb>	20 times nothing still is nothing
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May 02 06:45:53 <Prodego>	Perhaps if you do it 5 or 6 times a day you would care
May 02 06:46:03 <killiondude>	http://xkcd.com/radiation/
May 02 06:46:12 <Prodego>	but even then it is not going to be a problem
May 02 06:46:46 <Matthewedwards>	ddis anyone on from the UK?
May 02 06:46:51 <Matthewedwards>	*is
May 02 06:47:17 <Headbomb>	Prodego: no i would not
May 02 06:48:36 <Headbomb>	taking the x-ray is much much worse than giving one in terms of exposition levels, and even that is nothing to write home about
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May 02 06:49:01 <geniice>	Matthewedwards yes
May 02 06:49:39 <closedmouth>	i hope everyone gets this excited when obama kills me
May 02 06:50:11 <Matthewedwards>	geniice, has BBC 1 or ITV switched to rolling news?
May 02 06:50:13 <killiondude>	GO AMERICA
May 02 06:50:38 <geniice>	<Matthewedwards you want BBC news 24
May 02 06:50:59 <geniice>	Matthewedwards http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
May 02 06:51:30 <Matthewedwards>	well I'm in California, so I can't get any of them
May 02 06:52:32 <Matthewedwards>	But I was wondering whether BBC 1 had switched to the News 24 feed, and if ITN is all over ITV
May 02 06:52:38 <Matthewedwards>	(but then it's about 7am so breakfast TV would cover it anyway, huh
May 02 06:52:41 <Matthewedwards>	nevermind! :P
May 02 06:52:42 <geniice>	yes
May 02 06:52:56 <geniice>	hmm we don't have an article on [[Tarbela Ghazi]]
May 02 06:53:48 <closedmouth>	what is it?
May 02 06:54:25 <killiondude>	something obscure
May 02 06:54:31 <killiondude>	low hanging fruit
May 02 06:54:47 <sonia>	anyone here read greek?
May 02 06:55:09 <Headbomb>	sonia: maybe
May 02 06:55:30 <sonia>	Headbomb: trying to figure out if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Spanos_Industries#Sources are third-party sources
May 02 06:55:31 <Headbomb>	i can sort of decipher some words :p
May 02 06:55:46 <Headbomb>	sonia: ah then i'd try google translate for that
May 02 06:55:57 <sonia>	I'm currently using NVDA which is failing at greek lol
May 02 06:56:20 <geniice>	closedmouth the base the attack was probably launched from
May 02 06:56:45 <Headbomb>	the greek source is Skypodema & Xalybas, or something close to that
May 02 06:56:59 <closedmouth>	i see
May 02 06:57:07 <killiondude>	skype
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May 02 06:57:23 <sonia>	Kr102: fail
May 02 06:57:27 <sonia>	killiondude: heh
May 02 06:57:32 <Headbomb>	sonia: looks like a press release
May 02 06:57:39 <Kr102>	no, i'm not authorizing this
May 02 06:58:09 <sonia>	Headbomb: yeah, I see that now
May 02 06:58:28 <Headbomb>	so probably reliable for basic facts
May 02 06:58:31 <sonia>	but again, can't read those articles at all
May 02 06:58:38 <sonia>	we're trying to establish notability :p
May 02 06:58:43 <Headbomb>	but nothing that would go for establishing notability
May 02 06:58:51 <Headbomb>	at least, if it's a press release
May 02 06:58:58 <Headbomb>	in some random publication
May 02 06:59:08 <Headbomb>	which might not be the case
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May 02 07:01:13 <killiondude>	http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226290_1729484641708_1376220075_31581660_6004377_n.jpg
May 02 07:02:05 <Matthewedwards>	geniice, should the video on that BBC link work outside the UK?
May 02 07:03:04 <geniice>	probably not
May 02 07:03:58 <Matthewedwards>	ah, that explains it
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May 02 07:06:51 <geniice>	killiondude hey if it take's bin larden's death to get the royal wedding off the front pages he did at least one useful thing (actualy it had drifted off the front pages halfway through yesterday)
May 02 07:07:09 <killiondude>	larden is a funny typo
May 02 07:07:20 <OlEnglish>	heh
May 02 07:07:51 <Sven_Manguard>	I really wish that there were some way for people to submit images to a reviewer if they were not sure about it's copyright stats
May 02 07:07:59 <Sven_Manguard>	it would cut down on me having to do http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:ELAMCYPRUS.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=427019303
May 02 07:08:01 <Sven_Manguard>	that
May 02 07:08:02 <geniice>	According to locals speaking on Pakistani television from the area where Bin Laden is said to have been killed, Pakistani troops arrived after the operation and they have now completely taken control of the area. There is a search operation going on and no one is allowed in the immediate vicinity.
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May 02 07:08:22 <geniice>	hourse door bolted
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May 02 07:09:51 <Sven_Manguard>	any crats around?
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May 02 07:11:01 <Logan_>	any cats around?
May 02 07:11:33 <Dcoetzee>	meowmeowmeow
May 02 07:11:40 <Logan_>	oh hey
May 02 07:11:54 <Logan_>	Sven_Manguard: ^
May 02 07:12:08 <Matthewedwards>	hey Sven, how's it going?
May 02 07:12:13 <Sven_Manguard>	hey there
May 02 07:12:18 <Sven_Manguard>	I jumped the gun a bit
May 02 07:12:23 <Matthewedwards>	does anyone use KVirc? I need help removing a server from startup
May 02 07:12:43 <Sven_Manguard>	but hey if you have the time, /j ##Chzz and ask if you're still needed
May 02 07:13:02 <Matthewedwards>	me?
May 02 07:13:06 <Sven_Manguard>	there's a user who is looking for a remane, but "it'd need to go thru CHU anyway"
May 02 07:13:14 <Sven_Manguard>	whatever that is
May 02 07:13:18 <Sven_Manguard>	oh
May 02 07:13:23 <Sven_Manguard>	Change Username page?
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May 02 07:13:58 <sonia>	Matthewedwards: I do, but I fail at using it
May 02 07:14:22 <Matthewedwards>	lol
May 02 07:15:37 <Logan_>	Dcoetzee: You should update Firefox
May 02 07:16:02 <Ironholds>	egh. boredom
May 02 07:16:12 <Logan_>	egh. Ironholds
May 02 07:16:15 <Logan_>	:P
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May 02 07:18:25 <Dcoetzee>	Logan_: My FF is up to date I think :-/
May 02 07:18:25 <Logan_>	Dcoetzee: 4.0.1 is out :p you're running 4.0
May 02 07:19:06 *	Logan_ throws Fluff|sleep at Ironholds 
May 02 07:19:06 *	Dcoetzee checks his carometer.
May 02 07:19:06 <Dcoetzee>	Nope don't care :-P It'll auto update later.
May 02 07:19:06 <Logan_>	heh
May 02 07:19:28 *	sonia is running .0.1 she thinks
May 02 07:19:39 *	sonia has used 4.whatever through the beta and all
May 02 07:19:39 *	Logan_ can't tell because you're running KVIRC :P
May 02 07:19:52 *	Logan_ is running Firefox 6.0a1
May 02 07:20:00 *	sonia eats Logan_
May 02 07:20:01 <Logan_>	isn't that special
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May 02 07:21:39 *	themehcushion is now known as Sven_Manguard
May 02 07:22:09 *	thebadcushion throws a bad cushion at sonia
May 02 07:22:34 <thebadcushion>	(and a whale)
May 02 07:22:36 <sonia>	...
May 02 07:22:36 <thegoodcushion>	very good Logan
May 02 07:22:44 <thebadcushion>	heh
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May 02 07:22:56 <Ironholds>	sigh
May 02 07:22:59 *	sonia introduces thebadcushion to thegoodcushion
May 02 07:23:02 <Ironholds>	I should be working, or writing an article
May 02 07:23:06 <thebadcushion>	thegoodcushion: nice to meet you
May 02 07:23:11 <thegoodcushion>	likewise
May 02 07:23:24 <thebadcushion>	Ironholds: want to write one for me? :P
May 02 07:24:53 <Ironholds>	depends what it's on
May 02 07:25:40 <thebadcushion>	anything that wouldn't kill me for a lack of content contribution at an RfA
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May 02 07:25:53 *	thebadcushion has to stop being lazy and actually write an article
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May 02 07:26:39 *	Headbomb|Laptop introduces sonia to monia
May 02 07:26:49 <sonia>	thebadcushion: I told you before, go source an olympic medal list and FL it
May 02 07:26:51 *	thebadcushion is now known as [Live]
May 02 07:27:07 <[Live]>	sonia: yeah, I suppose
May 02 07:27:14 <[Live]>	but can't anyone do that? :P
May 02 07:27:47 <Sven_Manguard>	Live you want a really good topic, like "everyone's fucking stunned no one wrote this one" good?
May 02 07:27:52 <sonia>	you specifically said you wanted something for an RfA.. those are about as little effort as it takes
May 02 07:28:06 <[Live]>	Sven_Manguard: yes please :P
May 02 07:28:20 <Sven_Manguard>	Live are you a video gamer?
May 02 07:28:22 <Ironholds>	sonia: proof of how easy FLs are - I have 14
May 02 07:28:32 <[Live]>	Sven_Manguard: Xbox 360
May 02 07:28:35 <Ironholds>	at the moment I'm working on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ironholds/v
May 02 07:28:40 <[Live]>	Ironholds: that is not proof of easiness :P
May 02 07:28:49 *	sonia is now known as sonia|dinner
May 02 07:29:02 <Sven_Manguard>	You must promise to do a good job on this or I will beat you to death with a tube of toothpaste
May 02 07:29:21 <[Live]>	Sven_Manguard: heh, give me the idea first :P
May 02 07:29:44 <[Live]>	may or may not have the knowledge to write it well
May 02 07:30:01 <Sven_Manguard>	how good are you with health topics?
May 02 07:30:20 <[Live]>	example?
May 02 07:30:26 <[Live]>	actually, I have to sleep now
May 02 07:30:37 <Sven_Manguard>	okay then
May 02 07:30:44 *	[Live] is now marked as away: zzz
May 02 07:30:48 <Sven_Manguard>	I will find someone eventually to take this one
May 02 07:31:52 <killiondude>	when you are 40
May 02 07:33:40 <AnonIPUser>	any pics of OBL's body yet?
May 02 07:34:01 <Sven_Manguard>	no
May 02 07:34:13 <Sven_Manguard>	they won't be released until the election cycle is in swing
May 02 07:34:23 <AnonIPUser>	{{cite}
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May 02 07:35:03 <MuZemike>	Who wants a cold one?
May 02 07:35:12 *	thegoodcushion has quit (Quit: Have a great day everyone!  :D)
May 02 07:35:23 <Sven_Manguard>	AnonIPUser: you forgot a }
May 02 07:35:27 <Sven_Manguard>	take one of mine
May 02 07:35:35 <AnonIPUser>	Right, so {{citation needed}}, please.
May 02 07:35:55 <geniice>	A BBC reporter in Pakistan says the compound where Bin Laden was killed is 800 yards from the premises of the PMA - Pakistan Military Academy - Pakistan's equivalent of British Army officer training centre at Sandhurst.
May 02 07:38:37 <Ironholds>	I'm pretty sure I can turn this damn article into a GA
May 02 07:38:45 <Ironholds>	god bless the east caribbean's corrupt politicians
May 02 07:38:52 <Ironholds>	they accumulate many mentions in reliable source
May 02 07:38:53 <Ironholds>	s
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May 02 07:40:21 <MuZemike>	:) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=427019895&oldid=427011380
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May 02 07:44:20 <killiondude>	salut
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May 02 07:46:45 <geniice>	hmm the bin Laden compound should be within 800 yards of this http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=34.183333,73.25&spn=0.01,0.01&t=h&q=34.183333,73.25
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May 02 07:46:53 <sonia>	Libya, ftw
May 02 07:47:02 <MuZemike>	:) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=427022446
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May 02 07:49:57 <foks>	Holy shit, bin Laden
May 02 07:50:00 <foks>	wow
May 02 07:50:31 <foks>	I assume we have [[Osama bin Laden]] protected?
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May 02 07:51:07 <killiondude>	plz no assuming
May 02 07:51:32 <foks>	We do
May 02 07:51:33 <foks>	so
May 02 07:51:47 <MuZemike>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz6oe9q29JE
May 02 07:52:22 <foks>	Why do we have the date of death as "circa May 1"?
May 02 07:52:27 <MuZemike>	That game would go on for 5 more innings BTW (ended in the 14th inning)
May 02 07:52:29 <foks>	...actually I answered my own question
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May 02 07:52:40 <foks>	Inning?
May 02 07:52:48 <MuZemike>	Baseball jargon
May 02 07:52:52 <foks>	Oh
May 02 07:52:56 <foks>	Oh, right
May 02 07:53:15 <MuZemike>	Similar to "innings" in cricket
May 02 07:53:47 <foks>	Yeah, I assumed
May 02 07:54:02 <killiondude>	I've never seen a real game of cricket.
May 02 07:54:12 <killiondude>	I mean, I've seen it on a lame ESPN channel but I've never watched.
May 02 07:54:16 <foks>	But you've seen... imaginary games of cricket?
May 02 07:54:17 <foks>	:D
May 02 07:54:27 <foks>	I like cricket, sort of.
May 02 07:54:35 <foks>	Scotland are a shit team though.
May 02 07:55:28 <MuZemike>	Anyways, a baseball game consists of 9 innings; if both teams are tied after 9 innings, they keep playing "extra innings" until the tie is broken after the end of any inning.
May 02 07:55:41 <foks>	ahh
May 02 07:55:50 <foks>	I love the word "tie"
May 02 07:55:56 <foks>	We never say tie
May 02 07:56:06 <foks>	Well, tie = match
May 02 07:56:17 <foks>	Like, "the fourth home tie of the season"
May 02 07:56:46 <MuZemike>	I think even in American football we say "tie" (in the rare occurrence there is a tie in American pro football)
May 02 07:57:00 <foks>	We use "draw"
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May 02 08:01:04 <Dcoetzee>	Americans know the word "draw". But they only usually use it in chess, I think.
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May 02 08:02:58 <Matthewedwards>	has anyone ever crossed paths with User:???
May 02 08:03:14 <Matthewedwards>	[[User:??]]
May 02 08:04:30 <ScottSteiner>	!admin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bsadowski1 seems to be under attack by multiple IP socks
May 02 08:04:47 <killiondude>	Brian_S: ^
May 02 08:04:57 <MuZemike>	Brian_S can protect it himself if he so wants
May 02 08:05:06 <ScottSteiner>	ah, Brian_S is bsadowski?
May 02 08:05:10 <Brian_S>	I know.
May 02 08:05:15 <Brian_S>	About to.
May 02 08:05:23 <Brian_S>	It's b again
May 02 08:05:35 <ScottSteiner>	Maybe it's just somebody who really likes amoebas
May 02 08:05:35 <Brian_S>	thanks Timotheus_Canens
May 02 08:05:49 <Timotheus_Canens>	:)
May 02 08:05:56 <foks>	hmm
May 02 08:06:07 <foks>	Should we check they're proxies or something?
May 02 08:06:20 <Timotheus_Canens>	 /b/?
May 02 08:06:24 <MuZemike>	No
May 02 08:06:25 <Timotheus_Canens>	no need
May 02 08:06:43 <MuZemike>	Time for another beer
May 02 08:06:57 <ScottSteiner>	what's going on with cluebot?
May 02 08:07:00 <Timotheus_Canens>	If I'm feeling up to it, I go through the IPs and block them
May 02 08:07:02 <Timotheus_Canens>	but meh
May 02 08:07:12 <Brian_S>	I blocked them all, Timotheus_Canens.
May 02 08:07:43 <foks>	ah.
May 02 08:07:55 <foks>	Oh Brian.
May 02 08:08:00 <foks>	u mad? <3
May 02 08:08:04 *	sonia blocks Brian_S
May 02 08:08:14 <foks>	also, I have to go to Uni, on a BANK HOLIDAY, to hand something in.
May 02 08:08:16 <foks>	Raging.
May 02 08:08:19 <Brian_S>	Lol. No.
May 02 08:08:19 <Brian_S>	:P
May 02 08:08:45 <Matthewedwards>	Brian, I haven't seen anything on /b/
May 02 08:09:01 <Matthewedwards>	I've been lurking a good hour or two
May 02 08:09:24 <ScottSteiner>	tell them you just found one of your family members was killed and you need time to mourn :p
May 02 08:09:29 <ScottSteiner>	found out*
May 02 08:09:35 <Matthewedwards>	lol
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May 02 08:09:48 <sonia>	ScottSteiner: brilliant
May 02 08:09:49 <Matthewedwards>	hmm... k
May 02 08:10:07 <Timotheus_Canens>	Nice, Brian_S
May 02 08:10:16 <foks>	ScottSteiner, aha
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May 02 08:10:33 <Matthewedwards>	hmmm.. I need a Baw thread image
May 02 08:10:39 <foks>	I live in Aberdeen, the only thing you can die of here is blood cholesterol
May 02 08:11:12 <Matthewedwards>	deep fried mars bars
May 02 08:11:43 <killiondude>	Your momma's so fat that she should probably be worried about the increased risk of cardiovascular disease.
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May 02 08:13:07 <sonia>	killiondude...
May 02 08:13:47 <killiondude>	hi
May 02 08:13:53 <Herodotus>	Hello.
May 02 08:13:58 *	sonia awards killiondude +2 internetz.
May 02 08:13:59 <Matthewedwards>	your momma's so fat when she bends over there's a solar eclipse
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May 02 08:14:33 <killiondude>	http://anti-joke.com/anti-joke/popular/page/1
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May 02 08:21:49 <Matthewedwards>	still looking for a baw image...
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May 02 08:23:14 <geniice>	stand by for bin Laden not dead conspiracy theories http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/taliban-says-shaykh-osama-alive-unconfirmed-news-45502/
May 02 08:24:01 <Matthewedwards>	of course
May 02 08:24:17 <killiondude>	i don't want to click something i think the government is tracking
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May 02 08:27:40 <geniice>	why? don't you enjoy playing spot the CIA agents
May 02 08:28:01 <geniice>	hmm have you ever woundered who the MI6 agents are on wikipedia?
May 02 08:28:40 <Herodotus>	He meant he thinks he'll get put on a government watchlist if he clicks the link, not that the government is also clicking the link.
May 02 08:28:54 <sonia>	geniice: all the females are, apparently, since there are no females on the internet.
May 02 08:29:20 <Matthewedwards>	MI6 agents? here?
May 02 08:29:25 <Matthewedwards>	don't they have better things to do?
May 02 08:29:42 <geniice>	Matthewedwards wikipedia is an excelent properganda platform
May 02 08:29:49 <killiondude>	o__o
May 02 08:29:55 <killiondude>	propaganda
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May 02 08:30:09 <geniice>	by law the CIA can't touch us but MI6 can
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May 02 08:30:42 <geniice>	and wikipedia is active in areas that intelligence agencies take an interest in
May 02 08:31:02 <Headbomb|Laptop>	oh wow, what a fucking good Obama/CSI meme picture-thing: http://i.imgur.com/09fM7.jpg
May 02 08:31:20 <geniice>	we know that there is something on wikipedia sufficiently classified that one but of the CIA thought that other bits of the CIA shouldn't know about it
May 02 08:31:21 <Matthewedwards>	yeah, I suppose you're right
May 02 08:31:26 <Matthewedwards>	why can't the CIA?
May 02 08:32:08 <geniice>	Matthewedwards I can't remeber the exact law but they are not allowed to target properganda and the american people and english wikipedia at least is widely read in the US
May 02 08:32:48 <Matthewedwards>	ooh
May 02 08:32:55 <geniice>	we also know that Canada changed how they release info on millitry operations in response to Wikipedia writing about them
May 02 08:33:31 <Herodotus>	So they can still edit things Americans have no interest in, like cricket.
May 02 08:33:35 <geniice>	the CIA also generally doesn't target the UK media. Not for any legal reason but because they generally accept that the UK media is MI5's turf
May 02 08:33:42 <athabasca>	!admin
May 02 08:33:49 <geniice>	athabasca yes
May 02 08:35:44 <Matthewedwards>	ScottSteiner: http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/326299982
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May 02 08:37:42 <geniice>	hmm traffic hasn't jumped much
May 02 08:37:44 <geniice>	http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/?m=cpu_report&r=day&s=descending&c=Apaches+8+CPU&h=&sh=1
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May 02 08:42:58 <Matthewedwards>	really? They threw his body in the ocean? That's a great way of proving to us he's actually dead
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May 02 08:45:06 <geniice>	unlikely to say the least
May 02 08:45:41 <geniice>	no his body is generaly accepted as being transported towards bagram airbase
May 02 08:46:30 <slakr>	I'm actually kind of saddened by what I'm seeing on facebook.
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May 02 08:46:54 <slakr>	especially when the occasional person says that he's not celebrating the death of another human.
May 02 08:47:19 <slakr>	the irony is that the people who then attack that person for not partaking in the festivities
May 02 08:47:42 <slakr>	are standing behind a mantra of also being opposed to the deaths of other humans.
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May 02 08:49:09 <geniice>	eh people are on a pure emotional drive right now
May 02 08:49:24 <geniice>	crazy behaviour on all sides.
May 02 08:49:50 <MuZemike>	Meh, who's being emotional? The fucker's dead, right?
May 02 08:49:58 <MuZemike>	Now who wants another beer?
May 02 08:50:04 <slakr>	kind of baffles the mind. Consider: on a small scale, it's a bunch of people acting aggressively toward people opposing violence--all in the name of opposing violence.
May 02 08:50:17 <slakr>	so in a way, it mirrors the entire conflict, as a whole.
May 02 08:50:28 <slakr>	people doing violent things to "prevent violence"
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May 02 08:50:37 <Qcoder00>	Morning
May 02 08:50:41 <Qcoder00>	Any admins awake?
May 02 08:50:46 *	slakr shrugs anyyyyway....
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May 02 08:50:58 <MuZemike>	Wasn't it Lenin who ordered the execution of Tsar Nicholas II and family?
May 02 08:51:14 <Qcoder00>	MuZemike:  Erm...
May 02 08:51:49 <Qcoder00>	My understanding was that  The execution of the Tsar was a done by a local soviet ....
May 02 08:52:04 <Qcoder00>	.. Although the hireachy must have been aware
May 02 08:52:08 <MuZemike>	Some sources say it came from Lenin, though
May 02 08:53:38 <Qcoder00>	slakr: Anyway, I was needing an admin to look over some template migrations I'd done ( admin or experienced contributor)
May 02 08:54:07 <slakr>	link it to the channel
May 02 08:54:12 <slakr>	the more the merrier
May 02 08:54:26 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sfan00_IMG
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May 02 08:58:06 <MuZemike>	lol, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Rasputin#Murder
May 02 08:59:00 <MuZemike>	FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rasputin%27s_penis
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May 02 09:04:58 <Sven_Manguard>	MuZemike: WHAT?
May 02 09:05:08 <Sven_Manguard>	Rasputin's wang had an article?
May 02 09:05:12 <MuZemike>	Never saw that AFD?
May 02 09:05:22 <ScottSteiner>	Sorry Matthewedwards, I missed that link.  What was it?
May 02 09:05:37 <Matthewedwards>	it 404d
May 02 09:06:16 <ScottSteiner>	I saw, what was it though?
May 02 09:07:52 <ScottSteiner>	Ah, I see now. http://4chansearch.com/?q=%3E326299982&m=1&p=1&s=1
May 02 09:07:55 <Matthewedwards>	me, pretending my dad and brother had died.. some armed thugs just stormed onto their property and shot them cold
May 02 09:08:05 <Matthewedwards>	then drragged away their body
May 02 09:08:13 <Matthewedwards>	and dumped it in the sea..
May 02 09:08:21 <Matthewedwards>	didn't really take off :(
May 02 09:08:31 <Matthewedwards>	I suck at trolling
May 02 09:09:26 <Matthewedwards>	Hey -- when did the "This is a preview of the unsaved changes you have made." notice change at Wikipedia?
May 02 09:09:35 <MuZemike>	Yesterday
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May 02 09:10:53 <Matthewedwards>	ah
May 02 09:11:03 <Matthewedwards>	looks cleaner, sort of
May 02 09:12:13 <geniice>	United States Navy SEALs ? I suppose that makes sense. delta force are more about infiltration than smash and grab
May 02 09:12:53 <Qcoder00>	geniice: Huh?
May 02 09:13:23 <Matthewedwards>	bedtime, g'night everyone
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May 02 09:13:48 <geniice>	The raid was carried out jointly by 20–25 helicopter-borne United States Navy SEALs under the command of the Joint Special Operations Command in cooperation with the CIA. The SEALs stormed the compound and engaged bin Laden and his men in a firefight.[13]
May 02 09:15:57 <Sven_Manguard>	shit man
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May 02 09:16:04 <Sven_Manguard>	those seals need some gaudy medals
May 02 09:16:09 <Qcoder00>	So basicly they went into capture Bin laden and a gunfight ensued?
May 02 09:16:11 <Sven_Manguard>	and solid gold bars or something
May 02 09:16:21 <Sven_Manguard>	Qcoder00: capture? never in the plan
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May 02 09:16:46 <Qcoder00>	Sven_Manguard:  The US doesn't carry out direct assaisnations
May 02 09:16:53 <Qcoder00>	*assinations
May 02 09:17:04 <Sven_Manguard>	ha ha ha
May 02 09:17:06 <slakr>	"...and why do you think the American people should re-elect you?" ... "I get shit done."
May 02 09:17:33 <Sven_Manguard>	that airstrike that killed Qaddafi's *sane* son, while Qaddafi was in the house?
May 02 09:17:49 <Sven_Manguard>	tell me the US dosen't carry out assassinations
May 02 09:18:01 <Qcoder00>	Sven_Manguard:  That was an airstrike targeting Command Bunkers, not the person (re the Libya thing)
May 02 09:18:06 <Brian_S>	They were aiming for a miliatary base, Sven_Manguard.
May 02 09:18:09 <Brian_S>	-a
May 02 09:18:11 <geniice>	do we know who the plane that carried out the air strike belonged to?
May 02 09:18:12 <Brian_S>	<<
May 02 09:18:29 <slakr>	how convenient
May 02 09:18:37 <slakr>	decades of weapons research
May 02 09:18:40 <slakr>	billions of dollars
May 02 09:18:45 <slakr>	and we still can't hit a target?
May 02 09:18:55 <geniice>	Sven_Manguard capture would have been a nominal part of the plan but with the numbers involved and operating in de facto enermy territory it would have involved total cooperation on bin Laden's part
May 02 09:18:57 <slakr>	no, we "accidentally" hit everything else.
May 02 09:19:09 <geniice>	slakr the target was hit
May 02 09:19:32 <slakr>	oh right... we can hit the needle in the haystack, but take the whole barn with it.
May 02 09:19:39 <slakr>	:P
May 02 09:19:46 <Sven_Manguard>	we killed the only member of the Qaddafi family that wasn't batshit insane.
May 02 09:19:49 <geniice>	however either gaddafi wasn't at the target  or the target wasn't hit hard enough
May 02 09:20:02 <Sven_Manguard>	the target wasn't hit hard enough
May 02 09:20:07 <Sven_Manguard>	thats the one
May 02 09:20:08 <Qcoder00>	geniice:  In respect of the SEAL raid in Pakistan, the reactaion of elements in Pakistan is going to be intresting...
May 02 09:20:21 <Qcoder00>	Presumably the US asked the Pakistani authorites?
May 02 09:20:36 <MuZemike>	"Pockistan"
May 02 09:20:37 <geniice>	Sven_Manguard police of europe might beg to differ. he was a spoiled brat like most of the others
May 02 09:20:49 <Qcoder00>	(Then again presumably elements in Pakistan's government don't like Bin Laden wither)
May 02 09:20:51 <geniice>	Qcoder00 yes it asked them. After the mission was complete
May 02 09:20:53 <Qcoder00>	*either
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May 02 09:22:26 <geniice>	 Pakistan can't complain to much the raid was within 800 yards of their main officer training school. So either the millitry have to admin they were incompetent or they have to protend they were okey with the US raid
May 02 09:22:41 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendal,_Saskatchewan - Infobox gone wrong?
May 02 09:23:11 *	MC8 is somewhat disgusted by the cheering crowds
May 02 09:24:33 <Qcoder00>	Why?
May 02 09:25:32 <geniice>	Qcoder00 it's primative bloodlust
May 02 09:26:08 <Ironholds>	incredibly shortsighted primitive bloodlust
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May 02 09:26:54 <MuZemike>	Almost better than Final Fantasy's fanfare music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2nSEZ6kEuk
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May 02 09:31:20 <geniice>	Ironholds eh you can't blame people for being emotionally driven at this point.  With the secular religion that is politics beelzebub is dead
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May 02 09:32:29 <geniice>	UK has things slightly better since most reasonable people were asleep when the news broke
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May 02 09:32:46 <MuZemike>	heh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8NsnLfIAcs
May 02 09:36:01 <geniice>	Pakistan's Foreign Office has released a statement confirming the operation: "In an intelligence driven operation, Osama Bin Ladin was killed in the surroundings of Abbotabad in the early hours of this morning. This operation was conducted by the US forces in accordance with declared US policy that Osama Bin Ladin will be eliminated in a direct action by the US forces, wherever found in the...
May 02 09:36:03 <geniice>	...world."
May 02 09:36:15 <geniice>	heh thats a carefuly worded statement
May 02 09:36:45 <geniice>	"yes the US came in and killed him without telling us but it could have happened to anyone gov"
May 02 09:37:47 <Brian_S>	http://www.mofa.gov.pk/Press_Releases/2011/May/PR_150.htm
May 02 09:39:53 *	Ranon is now known as Barras
May 02 09:41:34 <Hedgehog456>	Yay!
May 02 09:42:30 <Hedgehog456>	My website is almost ready!
May 02 09:42:34 <Hedgehog456>	Yay!
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May 02 09:42:52 <Hedgehog456>	Global news of happiness at death of certain terrorist!
May 02 09:43:27 <Theo1>	shame on you!
May 02 09:44:30 <thegoodcushion>	I need to see pics of his body
May 02 09:44:36 <thegoodcushion>	I won't just take the government's word for it
May 02 09:44:45 <Theo1>	whats wrong with you?
May 02 09:45:17 <geniice>	thegoodcushion be patient
May 02 09:45:28 <sonia>	thegoodcushion:  http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HhEh-2wPwVMJ:www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/04/29/osama-bin-laden-believed-dead-by-pak-int+http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/04/29/osama-bin-laden-believed-dead-by-pak-int&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera&source=www.google.com
May 02 09:45:35 <geniice>	although if he took a bullet to the head I expect he's a bit of a mess
May 02 09:45:44 <Brian_S>	sonia...
May 02 09:45:47 <thegoodcushion>	don't tell me they found him, killed him, then buried him at sea
May 02 09:45:53 *	Brian_S shakes head
May 02 09:45:57 <geniice>	sonia that image is a fake that has been floating around the web for months
May 02 09:46:01 *	sonia hugs Brian_S
May 02 09:46:05 *	sonia unshakes head
May 02 09:46:13 <thegoodcushion>	that image is a fake
May 02 09:46:16 <closedmouth>	that is so fake
May 02 09:46:24 <thegoodcushion>	geniice: they morticianed the Hussein brothers
May 02 09:46:26 <MuZemike>	Hey, the communist cats get theirs on May Day, us "capitalist dogs" get ours on, well, the same day.
May 02 09:46:30 <closedmouth>	oh heh 2009
May 02 09:46:32 <geniice>	sonia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#picture
May 02 09:46:47 <sonia>	:P
May 02 09:46:50 <MuZemike>	Yeah, the picture is a little on the fake side.
May 02 09:46:52 <geniice>	thegoodcushion you had to wait for pics that time
May 02 09:47:18 *	sonia smiles
May 02 09:47:23 <MuZemike>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Isn.27t_Osama_the_president_of_the_US.3F
May 02 09:47:30 <sonia>	...
May 02 09:47:44 <Qcoder00>	MuZemike:  The trolling has started?
May 02 09:47:50 <geniice>	thegoodcushion oh and islamic burial customs require burial withing 24 hours
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May 02 09:48:08 <geniice>	Qcoder00 no it's jsut fox news
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May 02 09:48:16 <thegoodcushion>	geniice: they didn't honour that with the Husseins did they?
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May 02 09:48:35 <thegoodcushion>	they'd have to do DNA, photographs, take his body to sea, and bury it, all within 24 hours
May 02 09:49:00 <geniice>	I could do most of that within 1 hour. But then I live rather closer to the sea
May 02 09:49:21 <geniice>	taking DNA is just a tissue stample
May 02 09:49:32 <thegoodcushion>	blood or inside cheek swab
May 02 09:49:38 <thegoodcushion>	With Saddam and his sons, they took many photos
May 02 09:50:29 <geniice>	I can take 100 photos an hour no problem
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May 02 09:51:40 <PM|AFK>	"Isn't Osama the president of the US?" 9.9
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May 02 09:51:55 <Dcoetzee>	Well yes, that's his middle name.
May 02 09:52:07 <Dcoetzee>	Er
May 02 09:52:10 <Dcoetzee>	I mixed that up
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May 02 09:52:16 <Brian_S>	Dcoetzee!
May 02 09:52:20 *	Hedgehog456 deletes Dcoetzee
May 02 09:52:30 <PM|AFK>	lol
May 02 09:52:57 <MuZemike>	PM|AFK: No, that's "Hussein".
May 02 09:53:17 *	sonia throws Dcoetzee out the window
May 02 09:53:18 <Dcoetzee>	I knew it was somebody bad
May 02 09:53:24 <PM|AFK>	MuZemike: I know
May 02 09:53:34 <PM|AFK>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden <-- seriously?
May 02 09:53:37 <sonia>	Obama bin laden
May 02 09:53:53 <PM|AFK>	So every article about anything new will be taken to AfD?
May 02 09:53:56 <PM|AFK>	sonia: XD
May 02 09:54:06 <Ironholds>	sonia: I feel sorry for Obama, y'knw
May 02 09:54:09 <Ironholds>	*o
May 02 09:54:13 *	sonia nominates PM|AFK for deletion.
May 02 09:54:15 <MuZemike>	No way in hell that was going to get deleted.
May 02 09:54:19 <sonia>	Ironholds: there's any number of reasons you could.
May 02 09:54:26 <Ironholds>	his plan to turn the world into a muslim califate has REALLY taken a hit today
May 02 09:54:26 <MuZemike>	Or likely will
May 02 09:54:38 <sonia>	..heh.
May 02 09:54:43 <Ironholds>	dark sarcasm is good
May 02 09:54:51 <Hedgehog456>	"Wait a minute. Isn't this guy the president of the US? I mean isn't the president Osama? That can't be right because the president was apparently happy that Osama was killed. I think you need to change the title of the article?" WTF
May 02 09:55:00 <Hedgehog456>	Trolling ^
May 02 09:55:12 <Hedgehog456>	Doesn't anyone know Obama's name?
May 02 09:55:21 <PM|AFK>	No :p
May 02 09:55:35 <PM|AFK>	that's why http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Obama_Bin_Laden&redirect=no exists
May 02 09:55:48 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 02 09:55:55 <MuZemike>	Barack Osama?
May 02 09:57:31 <Brian_S>	That's Epic Fail.
May 02 09:57:35 <Brian_S>	>_>
May 02 09:58:01 <MuZemike>	Worse than Spelunker on the NES: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpumPILASio
May 02 09:58:16 <Hedgehog456>	"123Hedgehog456, King of HedgehogWorld, refused to comment on the death, and was then caught blowing a party popper and playing "Pin the Tail on the Hedgehog"""
May 02 09:58:16 <Hedgehog456>	What kind of megalomanic is this guy- oh, it's me.
May 02 09:58:30 <Hedgehog456>	Completely fabricated, :P.
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May 02 09:58:42 <Dcoetzee>	I have to give the American public credit that they could elect somebody named Barack Hussein Obama without 1. being so stupid they associate him with Osama bin Laden and Sadam Hussein, 2. thinking anyone with a fancy African name doesn't understand American values.
May 02 09:59:19 <Dcoetzee>	Not that conservative pundits didn't endlessly try to rehash those ridiculous arguments anyway :-P
May 02 09:59:41 <Ironholds>	Dcoetzee: that's a tiny bit depressing
May 02 09:59:55 <Ironholds>	so well done for making something so optimistic also a bit sad :p
May 02 10:00:18 <MuZemike>	FWIW, Sarah Palia may have scared too many people off to support John McCain.
May 02 10:00:21 <MuZemike>	*Palin
May 02 10:02:09 <Ironholds>	eh
May 02 10:02:15 <Ironholds>	I think it's more the mummy/daddy complex
May 02 10:03:15 *	dungodung|sleep is now known as dungodung
May 02 10:03:39 <Ironholds>	MuZemike/ Dcoetzee: which I'm sure you've heard of? :p
May 02 10:07:24 <MuZemike>	Under 40 pages on my watchlist again
May 02 10:09:26 <MuZemike>	Yeah, I don't like to watchlist half the encyclopedia, as I don't WP:OWN it.
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May 02 10:13:23 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: around?
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May 02 10:33:19 <AnonIPUser>	AY!
May 02 10:34:31 <AnonIPUser>	What happens to the $50,000,000 reward? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#.2450.2C000.2C000_reward_out_on_his_head_-_Recipient.3F
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May 02 10:36:20 <Ironholds>	AnonIPUser: nothing
May 02 10:36:27 <Ironholds>	serving members of the military = not eligible, afaik
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May 02 10:40:31 <closedmouth>	obama gets it
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May 02 10:58:54 <Brian_S>	closedmouth: https://twitter.com/#!/alqaeda/statuses/24525767471
May 02 10:58:55 <Brian_S>	lolwut
May 02 10:59:18 <closedmouth>	heh
May 02 11:02:03 <Peter-C>	lol
May 02 11:03:16 <Brian_S>	http://nittygriddy.com/2010/09/27/al-qaeda-twitter-account-disturbingly-funny-tweets/
May 02 11:03:17 <Brian_S>	:p
May 02 11:03:24 <Hedgehog456>	Is that really Al-Qaeda?
May 02 11:04:03 <Peter-C>	No!
May 02 11:04:06 <Peter-C>	Of course not >_>
May 02 11:05:31 <Hedgehog456>	Imagine if it was
May 02 11:05:40 <Hedgehog456>	:P
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May 02 11:07:21 <Peter-C>	:P
May 02 11:07:31 <Peter-C>	bin Laden is so
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May 02 11:08:36 <Peter-C>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
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May 02 11:13:56 <Peter-C>	Why is there no photo of bin Laden dead >_>
May 02 11:14:24 <closedmouth>	it was a hoax
May 02 11:14:25 <closedmouth>	fooled ya
May 02 11:14:56 <Peter-C>	D:
May 02 11:16:33 <Chris_G>	yeah, they just killed one of his doubles
May 02 11:16:48 <Peter-C>	D:
May 02 11:16:55 <Peter-C>	His double was a clone
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May 02 11:19:26 <Peter-C>	Ok, WTF
May 02 11:19:34 <Peter-C>	Obama didn't look into the camera!
May 02 11:19:37 <Peter-C>	WTF?!
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May 02 11:21:58 <Hedgehog456>	HE LIEZ
May 02 11:22:35 <Dcoetzee>	Peter-C: That's just because if he looked in the camera we'd be able to tell he's a reptilian alien.
May 02 11:22:42 <Dcoetzee>	Peter-C: No need to worry.
May 02 11:25:21 <Hedgehog456>	Amazon EC2 looks good.
May 02 11:25:37 <Hedgehog456>	Dcoetzee: OH NOES
May 02 11:26:07 <Hedgehog456>	Dcoetzee: Call the Doctor!
May 02 11:26:31 <Peter-C>	LONG DIE BIN LADEN!
May 02 11:28:47 <closedmouth>	EC2?
May 02 11:29:09 <Peter-C>	Amazons cloud
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May 02 11:31:16 <Peter-C>	OMG! http://revoltoftheplebs.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/dead2.jpg
May 02 11:31:19 <Peter-C>	:O
May 02 11:32:57 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: I agree with your latest blog post
May 02 11:33:02 <Peter-C>	O_O
May 02 11:33:05 <Dcoetzee>	...
May 02 11:33:06 <Ironholds>	sort of
May 02 11:33:08 <Peter-C>	WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH IRONHOLDS
May 02 11:33:11 <Peter-C>	Oh, good
May 02 11:33:12 <Ironholds>	you're missing the deeper point
May 02 11:33:14 <Ironholds>	but still
May 02 11:33:19 <Dcoetzee>	I was worried there for a minute.
May 02 11:33:21 <Peter-C>	^
May 02 11:34:42 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: aristotelian question for you
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May 02 11:35:07 <Ironholds>	why is free speech something which governments should provide?
May 02 11:35:43 <Peter-C>	To make the people think they have a say :P
May 02 11:35:54 <Ironholds>	wrong
May 02 11:36:15 <Peter-C>	Why?
May 02 11:36:29 <Ironholds>	you're misunderstanding the question
May 02 11:36:34 <Ironholds>	although it is, admittedly, a trick question
May 02 11:36:43 <Peter-C>	If they think they have a say they will not toss bricks through government buildings
May 02 11:37:05 <Hedgehog456>	Peter-C: ...
May 02 11:37:12 <Ironholds>	wrong
May 02 11:37:14 <Peter-C>	>_>
May 02 11:37:15 <Hedgehog456>	You have never been to Britain
May 02 11:37:22 <Peter-C>	No, I haven't
May 02 11:37:23 <Ironholds>	it's a trick question. think about it.
May 02 11:37:32 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: Britain has quite a restrained freedom of speech
May 02 11:37:38 <Peter-C>	Really?
May 02 11:37:41 <Peter-C>	O_o
May 02 11:37:57 <Hedgehog456>	By all these hyperinjunctions and superinjunctions
May 02 11:38:12 <Ironholds>	well, no
May 02 11:38:13 <Hedgehog456>	Big pieces of legal sh*t
May 02 11:38:15 <Ironholds>	that differs from case to case
May 02 11:38:17 <Ironholds>	wrong
May 02 11:38:22 <Ironholds>	superinjunctions are sometimes justified
May 02 11:38:32 <Hedgehog456>	Yes, but sometimes they're weird
May 02 11:38:37 <Ironholds>	correct
May 02 11:38:47 <Ironholds>	but they are not overall quote "big pieces of legal shit"
May 02 11:38:53 <Hedgehog456>	Wasn't there one where a company filed one to stop people from making complaints?
May 02 11:38:57 <Dcoetzee>	The reason freedom of speech is a good idea to guarantee is that it provides a check on government corruption.
May 02 11:39:14 <Ironholds>	also wrong
May 02 11:39:37 <Ironholds>	"why is free speech something which governments should provide" is a trick question. think about it.
May 02 11:39:52 <Hedgehog456>	They can't?
May 02 11:40:11 <Ironholds>	closer
May 02 11:40:13 <Ironholds>	but still no
May 02 11:40:18 <Hedgehog456>	They can just provide the conditions for it to happen?
May 02 11:40:24 <Peter-C>	The government doesn't have free speech?
May 02 11:40:26 <Peter-C>	The people have it
May 02 11:40:26 <Peter-C>	?
May 02 11:40:31 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: correct
May 02 11:40:32 <Peter-C>	:D
May 02 11:40:32 <Ironholds>	well, close enough
May 02 11:40:45 <Ironholds>	government does not provide freedoms - freedoms exist despite governance, not because of it
May 02 11:41:00 <Dcoetzee>	I just assumed when you said government provides free speech you meant government is prevented from creating laws restricting speech. :-P
May 02 11:41:05 <Peter-C>	It is not tangible
May 02 11:41:11 <Dcoetzee>	Which is what it means literally.
May 02 11:41:30 <Dcoetzee>	(subject to usual exceptional conditions)
May 02 11:41:38 <Ironholds>	Dcoetzee: in which case again, it's not something government provides
May 02 11:41:47 <Ironholds>	it's prevented from *not* providing it
May 02 11:41:55 <Ironholds>	or..sorry, bad phrasing
May 02 11:42:03 <Dcoetzee>	Yes but that's obviously what you meant :-P
May 02 11:42:05 <Ironholds>	in that situation, government is still not the source of free speech
May 02 11:42:10 <Peter-C>	^
May 02 11:42:15 <Ironholds>	government is instead restrained from trying to take it away
May 02 11:42:19 <Dcoetzee>	Yes
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May 02 11:43:50 <Dcoetzee>	You could say the "natural state" is that people say whatever they want and nobody stops them. But in the absence of a guarantee of free speech, governments tend to restrict it as a (supposed) means of self-preservation.
May 02 11:44:10 <Peter-C>	Guys: Your missing the point
May 02 11:44:15 <Peter-C>	I got the answer right! :D
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May 02 11:45:16 <Peter-C>	Qcoder00_ - bin Laden is dead! :D
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May 02 11:47:37 <Ironholds>	Dcoetzee: of course, but that still doesn't mean they're the initial source
May 02 11:47:42 <Ironholds>	or capable of providing guarantees
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May 02 11:51:11 *	Pesky wanders in, yawns, stretches, shakes
May 02 11:51:32 <Peter-C>	Pro: al-Qaeda's founder and leader is dead, al-Qaeda will fall apart Con: It would have been better if he were to rot in a cell for the rest of his life, increased terror threat
May 02 11:51:44 *	Pesky wags tail and dps ears at all and sundry
May 02 11:53:15 *	Pesky settles down on rug for snooze
May 02 11:53:33 *	Peter-C kicks Pesky
May 02 11:53:40 <Peter-C>	READ MEH BLAWG
May 02 11:53:40 <Peter-C>	:D
May 02 11:53:51 *	Pesky sleepily shows teeth 
May 02 11:54:01 *	Peter-C eats Pesky
May 02 11:54:12 *	Peter-C runs off to wchool
May 02 11:54:16 *	Pesky sighs, gets up from rug, flattens Peter-C
May 02 11:54:27 <Pesky>	you forgot to wash behind your ears
May 02 11:54:31 *	Pesky remedies
May 02 11:54:45 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: you're an idiot
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May 02 11:54:54 *	Pesky grins at Ironholds
May 02 11:55:01 <Ironholds>	do you have any idea how dispersed the AQ command structure is?
May 02 11:55:06 <Pesky>	Nope
May 02 11:55:06 <Dcoetzee>	Now we're back to normal :-P
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May 02 11:55:23 *	Pesky jumps on Dcoetzee  with licky wolfy greeting
May 02 11:55:42 <Chris_G>	Ironholds, and I suppose you have top secret information about AQ's inner workings? heh
May 02 11:56:00 *	Dcoetzee hugs Pesky
May 02 11:56:03 <Dcoetzee>	I was just off to bed :-)
May 02 11:56:10 <Pesky>	Was that an invitation?
May 02 11:56:17 <Dcoetzee>	If you like :-P
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May 02 11:56:32 *	Pesky sighs.  Too much to do today already
May 02 11:57:27 <Dcoetzee>	I was just saying goodnight to teh soniakitty.
May 02 11:57:35 <Pesky>	Dcoetzee: I Googled yo' ass yesterday ….
May 02 11:57:47 <Dcoetzee>	Awesome, I didn't know my ass was on the web :-)
May 02 11:58:00 <Dcoetzee>	Does it have like fan sites?
May 02 11:58:21 <Pesky>	Don't think so
May 02 11:58:39 <Pesky>	You have some interesting credential;s
May 02 11:58:46 <Pesky>	Indicates brain
May 02 11:58:54 <Pesky>	I like your mare
May 02 11:58:57 <Dcoetzee>	:-) Long way to go still.
May 02 11:59:05 <Dcoetzee>	Don't got my mare anymore but I liked her.
May 02 11:59:08 <Dcoetzee>	And her colt too.
May 02 11:59:10 <Pesky>	Get another
May 02 11:59:14 <Dcoetzee>	Can't afford it.
May 02 11:59:22 <Pesky>	Get a New Forester :o)
May 02 11:59:23 <Dcoetzee>	Monthly board is a bitch.
May 02 11:59:43 <Pesky>	You don't have anywhere you could look after her yourself?
May 02 11:59:50 <Dcoetzee>	Nope nope
May 02 11:59:51 <Ironholds>	these wikimania panels will be awesome
May 02 12:00:04 <Ironholds>	oh GOD
May 02 12:00:08 <Pesky>	With input from volunteers in return for riding?
May 02 12:00:15 <Ironholds>	Erik is going to attend it
May 02 12:00:17 *	Ironholds headdesks
May 02 12:00:20 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  Which panels where?
May 02 12:00:22 <Dcoetzee>	Pesky: I better go for now. :-)
May 02 12:00:25 <Pesky>	kk
May 02 12:00:28 *	Dcoetzee hugs Pesky tight
May 02 12:00:35 *	Pesky licks Dcoetzee 
May 02 12:00:35 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I'm doing two panels at Wikimania, and Erik is apparently attending one of them
May 02 12:00:38 <Dcoetzee>	Pesky: You'll have to visit my bed another time, I'll clear a space :-P
May 02 12:00:42 <Pesky>	lol
May 02 12:00:59 <Dcoetzee>	Night all :-)
May 02 12:01:04 <Ironholds>	Erik is..scary
May 02 12:01:06 <Ironholds>	very scary
May 02 12:01:07 <Pesky>	Ironholds: you ever at risk from burnout?
May 02 12:01:09 *	Dcoetzee waves to Ironholds, Peter-C, Hedgehog456
May 02 12:01:15 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I'm a workaholic
May 02 12:01:15 <Pesky>	I can do scary
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May 02 12:01:20 *	Hedgehog456 waves back to Dcoetzee 
May 02 12:01:26 <Pesky>	Something else we have in common then
May 02 12:01:26 <Ironholds>	Pesky: he's basically a sociopath
May 02 12:01:34 <Ironholds>	gives the impression of having learnt to be human from a book
May 02 12:01:39 <Pesky>	I know the sort
May 02 12:01:41 <Ironholds>	...and also my potential future boss
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May 02 12:01:44 <Pesky>	eeek
May 02 12:01:45 <Ironholds>	so it's double-awkwardness
May 02 12:02:04 <Pesky>	Why would you want to choose a boss like that?
May 02 12:02:26 <Pesky>	People who complain about their jobs, I'm always inclined to ask them who applied fo same ….
May 02 12:02:26 <Ironholds>	you get to choose bosses?
May 02 12:02:31 <Ironholds>	which magic industry do you work in?
May 02 12:02:33 <Pesky>	Course you do
May 02 12:02:46 <Ironholds>	well, he's a *potential* boss, IF I get this job
May 02 12:02:47 <Pesky>	Don't work in idustry any more
May 02 12:02:54 <Ironholds>	in which case he's so far up the food chain it's probably irrelevant
May 02 12:03:06 <Pesky>	Research his weak points :o)
May 02 12:03:18 <Pesky>	… and his push-buttons
May 02 12:03:32 <Pesky>	Avoid bad buttons, work out how to use good buttons
May 02 12:03:34 <Ironholds>	no thanks
May 02 12:03:53 <Pesky>	If you have a manipulative boss, you have to know how to out-manipulate him
May 02 12:03:59 <Ironholds>	I didn't say manipulative
May 02 12:04:04 <Ironholds>	plus, as said, so far up the food chain...
May 02 12:04:07 <Pesky>	socio's usually are
May 02 12:04:14 <Ironholds>	anyway, POTENTIAL boss. *if* I get this job. Which I probably won't
May 02 12:04:15 *	Pesky gotta go deal with parent - back soon
May 02 12:04:18 <Ironholds>	enjoy
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May 02 12:08:36 <Douche>	Awwww
May 02 12:08:43 <Douche>	Google's logo for today iscute.
May 02 12:10:00 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Douche tightly
May 02 12:10:12 *	Douche huggles Hedgehog456 
May 02 12:10:17 <Douche>	and a good morning!
May 02 12:10:18 <Douche>	<3
May 02 12:10:21 <Hedgehog456>	I'm going to see what irssi's like
May 02 12:10:27 <Douche>	oh
May 02 12:10:29 <Douche>	<3 irssi
May 02 12:10:30 <Hedgehog456>	Good morning to you, sir!
May 02 12:10:31 <Douche>	:D
May 02 12:10:42 *	Douche also lkes the GUI version of irssi
May 02 12:10:42 <Douche>	macirssi
May 02 12:10:43 <Douche>	<3
May 02 12:10:57 <Hedgehog456>	Sh*t, just tried to download 512 images in one go
May 02 12:11:14 <Hedgehog456>	My browser is fried
May 02 12:11:22 <Hedgehog456>	And it wasn't porn
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May 02 12:12:03 <Hedgehog456>	Just public domain images for a programming project of mine
May 02 12:12:57 <Hedgehog456>	:(
May 02 12:13:10 <Hedgehog456>	Byebye Firefoc
May 02 12:13:13 <Hedgehog456>	*Firefoks
May 02 12:13:27 <Hedgehog456>	:(
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May 02 12:13:58 <Douche>	ew
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May 02 12:14:09 <Douche>	see you later <3
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May 02 12:51:07 <Pesky>	bk … finally!
May 02 12:51:28 <Pesky>	Why do central heating boilers always go wrong on Bank Holidays?
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May 02 13:03:07 <Hedgehog456>	Because they do
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May 02 13:28:09 <Xarn>	Apparently, Bin Laden had a 25 million dollar price tag on his head. What kind of ridiculous, designer turban was he wearing?
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May 02 13:31:28 <closedmouth>	thank you ladies and gentlemen
May 02 13:34:36 <Bejinhan>	Xarn: xD
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May 02 13:56:25 <Qcoder00>	Anyone here an expert on Wikipedia templates?
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May 02 14:04:35 <MC8>	lawl http://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/the-presidents-1337-tweet
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May 02 14:13:26 *	Douche is at work shhhhh.
May 02 14:13:27 <closedmouth>	not too tight
May 02 14:13:33 <closedmouth>	don't want that fluid all over you
May 02 14:13:43 <Hedgehog456>	O_o
May 02 14:13:49 *	Douche is going to prune data.
May 02 14:13:49 <Fluff|sleep>	...
May 02 14:13:55 *	Hedgehog456 huggles D_ouche even more
May 02 14:13:55 <Douche>	i got 2 GB of data to analyze..
May 02 14:13:56 <Fluff|sleep>	"prune" "data"
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May 02 14:16:05 <Headbomb|Laptop>	Qcoder00: templates?
May 02 14:16:12 <Headbomb|Laptop>	what about them?
May 02 14:16:32 <Qcoder00>	OH just that I need one template re-written in terms of aother
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May 02 14:17:00 <Headbomb|Laptop>	which?
May 02 14:17:03 <Headbomb|Laptop>	and which?
May 02 14:17:13 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_MTA_busline needs re-writing to use the recomended replacment
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May 02 14:17:31 <FinancialEscapis>	.....?
May 02 14:17:42 <Headbomb|Laptop>	which is....
May 02 14:17:49 <FinancialEscapis>	Tell me you're awake, please.....
May 02 14:17:53 <FinancialEscapis>	Ok.
May 02 14:18:18 <Qcoder00>	Headbomb:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_bus_line
May 02 14:18:33 <Qcoder00>	Once re-written instances of the first template should be substed and cleaned up
May 02 14:18:39 <FinancialEscapis>	So, if the economy doesn't turn around by the time I graduate college, how is it if I just move to India to escape my student loans?
May 02 14:19:03 <FinancialEscapis>	Their economy grows as fast as China, and WE OUTSOURCE OUR JOBS THERE anyway, so why not chase after the jobs they take from us?
May 02 14:19:37 <FinancialEscapis>	I'll take Hindi this fall, so when I speak both languages, would I not be a fine asset to most any company there?
May 02 14:19:46 <FinancialEscapis>	most any *employer there?
May 02 14:19:55 <Qcoder00>	Could you afford to work on what they pay the locals?
May 02 14:20:31 <FinancialEscapis>	Qcoder00: My disability check is $674. Over there, it's probably what secondary schoolteachers are paid.
May 02 14:20:42 <Headbomb|Laptop>	Qcoder00: wouldn't it be simpler to simpler convert the 53 articles using the template to the modern one?
May 02 14:20:55 <Headbomb|Laptop>	AWB style
May 02 14:21:10 <Qcoder00>	No
May 02 14:21:17 <Qcoder00>	because you need to do param conversion
May 02 14:21:22 <Qcoder00>	But point taken
May 02 14:21:22 <FinancialEscapis>	The locals might not know English so well, and often they don't have an American education. I'm sure they put an epic premium on American-educated candidates.
May 02 14:21:27 <Headbomb|Laptop>	exactly why it would be simpler
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May 02 14:21:36 <Qcoder00>	Headbomb : If you can do it with AWB go ahead ;)
May 02 14:21:40 <Headbomb|Laptop>	you can just have find/replace logic and everything gets happy
May 02 14:21:40 <Theo10011>	hehe
May 02 14:21:42 <Theo10011>	Epic!
May 02 14:22:00 <Headbomb|Laptop>	well i don't know what's supposed to be converted to what
May 02 14:22:35 <Qcoder00>	That was why I needed someone to re-write the old template in terms of the new one ;)
May 02 14:22:42 <Headbomb|Laptop>	but rewriting the template seems like the worse choice possible
May 02 14:23:16 <Headbomb|Laptop>	unless you're thinking of a mask
May 02 14:23:18 <FinancialEscapis>	Besides, [[Hyperinflation]] is happening to the US dollar soon, so I hope that I'm already living fine enough over there by the time our economy gets sucked down.
May 02 14:23:23 <Headbomb|Laptop>	a mask could work
May 02 14:23:59 <Gigs-->	I had a dream I was banned from here because I was talking to one of those nick-spammers and there was guilt by association.   Get out of my head!
May 02 14:24:07 <Headbomb|Laptop>	maybe that's what you meant all along and i didn't clue in
May 02 14:24:34 <FinancialEscapis>	Qcoder00: ^ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7icGyVNI3U&NR=1
May 02 14:24:43 <Qcoder00>	What is a mask in this context?
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May 02 14:29:22 <FinancialEscapis>	Qcoder00: ----------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
May 02 14:31:16 <FinancialEscapis>	Ok Qcoder00, maybe you were confused and didn't realize they were up arrows. Here, is this better?: ↑↑↑↑↑
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May 02 14:35:18 <Qcoder00>	The reason Helathcare is cheaper in India is that there Healthcare systems has the lobbying power to tell Big business where to stick it...
May 02 14:38:35 <YKDies>	wherethesundontshine
May 02 14:39:50 <closedmouth>	YK?
May 02 14:41:45 <Qcoder00>	Glenn beck's an idiot
May 02 14:41:59 <YKDies>	what is it, closedmouth?
May 02 14:42:09 <Qcoder00>	If you had National healthcare in the US , things would get a LOT cheaper
May 02 14:42:11 <Qcoder00>	;)
May 02 14:42:39 <YKDies>	Taiwan even has a national healthcard, and a central database of all patients. India might have something like that, but at least something more efficient than we have.
May 02 14:44:59 <Qcoder00>	BTW ##politics exists
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May 02 15:21:15 <Qcoder00>	Erm
May 02 15:21:19 <Qcoder00>	Any admins?
May 02 15:21:29 <Qcoder00>	The bot that looks for untagged images may have broken down?
May 02 15:21:42 <Qcoder00>	I'm seeing a much larger number of them than usual
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May 02 15:30:24 <Thehelpfulone>	Qcoder00: shoot
May 02 15:30:40 <Qcoder00>	I am seeing a lot more untagged images than I normally do
May 02 15:30:47 <Qcoder00>	Is the bot that tags them borken?
May 02 15:31:09 <Thehelpfulone>	Qcoder00: what's the bot?
May 02 15:31:33 <Thehelpfulone>	Qcoder00: ok, give me an image that is usually tagged and I'll find hte name of the bot
May 02 15:32:02 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LWGEND3.JPG was untagged  and would normally get tagged by ImageTaggingBot as having no license
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May 02 15:33:25 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Church_of_Francis_Xavier.jpg would have got tagged for no license
May 02 15:33:28 <Qcoder00>	etc..
May 02 15:33:42 <Qcoder00>	http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/UntaggedImages.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&since=-7d&until=&img_user_text=&order=img_timestamp&max=150&order=img_timestamp&format=html
May 02 15:33:44 <Thehelpfulone>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ImageTaggingBot
May 02 15:33:49 <Thehelpfulone>	didn't run for the past couple of days
May 02 15:33:53 <Qcoder00>	Typically I only see about 5-6 entires
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May 02 15:34:02 <Thehelpfulone>	send a message to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Carnildo Qcoder00
May 02 15:34:05 <Qcoder00>	in the toolserver list , today i am seeing at least 150
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May 02 15:36:25 <Qcoder00>	Thehelpfulone:  Done so
May 02 15:36:49 <Thehelpfulone>	ok
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May 02 15:53:28 <gde33>	why is the "create article" link missing from the search page?
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May 02 15:54:42 <wctaiwan>	has it ever been there, gde33?
May 02 15:54:49 <gde33>	it can be useful to see the state of the article, have to know if it was created before, why it was deleted.
May 02 15:54:58 <gde33>	currently there is no way to get to the red link page
May 02 15:55:12 <gde33>	it wasnt always like that
May 02 15:55:39 <mabdul>	you can get there
May 02 15:55:40 <wctaiwan>	There is no article creation link on search page, but if you click on a red link you do get a page with creation links and such..
May 02 15:55:51 <gde33>	When I want to write an article the wiki should allow me to do that.
May 02 15:55:57 <wctaiwan>	e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/See_what_I_mean?
May 02 15:55:58 <mabdul>	you only have to search for the page and there is a redlink in the search rresults page
May 02 15:56:10 <gde33>	manually typing the url is not a good solution
May 02 15:56:23 <gde33>	mabdul: ah, if you are logged in you mean?
May 02 15:56:27 <mabdul>	no
May 02 15:56:36 <gde33>	then I'm blind
May 02 15:56:38 <mabdul>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=See+what+I+mean&go=Go
May 02 15:56:39 <mabdul>	there
May 02 15:56:41 *	gde33 looks again
May 02 15:56:45 <mabdul>	You may create the page "See what I mean", but consider checking the search results below to see whether it is already covered.
May 02 15:56:52 <mabdul>	see what i mean is a redlink
May 02 15:56:58 <gde33>	it doesnt say that here!
May 02 15:57:11 <mabdul>	yep, click on the link
May 02 15:57:13 <wctaiwan>	mabdul: what theme are you using
May 02 15:57:15 <wctaiwan>	also, calm down
May 02 15:57:23 <mabdul>	o.O
May 02 15:57:25 <mabdul>	oh
May 02 15:57:31 <wctaiwan>	because afaik there is no red link on search results..
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May 02 15:57:37 <wctaiwan>	unless you're still on monobook?
May 02 15:57:58 <mabdul>	ehm modern
May 02 15:57:59 <mabdul>	^^
May 02 15:58:01 *	Thehelpfulone is on monobook
May 02 15:58:02 <gde33>	let me make a screen shot
May 02 15:58:19 *	mabdul on modern
May 02 15:58:35 <mabdul>	yep, that might be the problem
May 02 15:58:53 <mabdul>	modern is really spartian, but I love this ^^
May 02 15:58:59 <wctaiwan>	gde33: I see what you're saying, but I'm suspecting that if there had been a change, it was one done with community consensus
May 02 15:59:11 <wctaiwan>	because it does sound fairly significant
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May 02 15:59:39 <gde33>	http://img708.imageshack.us/f/wikipediai.jpg/
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May 02 16:02:47 <gde33>	if an article doesn't exist, is it ok to use the talk page in stead of writing a crappy stub?
May 02 16:02:53 <gde33>	or will that be deleted?
May 02 16:03:15 <wctaiwan>	I think the usual way of doing if you don't feel like putting it in mainspace it is writing in your userspace, though Thehelpfulone would probably know more.
May 02 16:03:19 <zscout370>	gde33: you can use your userpage for that
May 02 16:03:35 <zscout370>	so User:Gde33/Titlegoeshere
May 02 16:03:41 <Thehelpfulone>	use your userspace, yes :)
May 02 16:03:42 <gde33>	I use my ip
May 02 16:03:52 <Thehelpfulone>	gde33: can you create an account?
May 02 16:04:08 <gde33>	to much trolling
May 02 16:04:21 <wctaiwan>	:s
May 02 16:04:23 <wctaiwan>	what?
May 02 16:05:13 <gde33>	I only want to help write articles not take part in the drama. ;)
May 02 16:06:49 <wctaiwan>	You don't have to. Stay out of Wikipedia: space, stay out of arguments. Unless your edit is controversial, I really don't see people getting into drama without putting themselves in them... (reading about wikidrama is one of my less appropriate pastimes)
May 02 16:07:13 <zscout370>	gde33: have you tried looking at Articles for Creation?
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May 02 16:07:41 <AMERIKA>	AMERICA FUCK YEAH!
May 02 16:08:50 <AMERIKA>	!ops AMERICA FUCK YEAH!
May 02 16:08:59 <gde33>	wctaiwan: the problem is that all unimportant non-controversial topics have pretty much been covered.
May 02 16:09:22 <Alpha_Quadrant>	AMERIKA: can we help you?
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May 02 16:09:34 <AMERIKA>	FUCK YEAH!
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May 02 16:09:52 <AMERIKA>	KFP: FUCK YEAH
May 02 16:09:55 <wctaiwan>	are you saying you want to make contentious edits without having a consistent identity so you can "stay out of drama"?
May 02 16:09:57 <Alpha_Quadrant>	AMERIKA: do you need help with Wikipedia?
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May 02 16:10:06 <gde33>	wctaiwan: exactly
May 02 16:10:07 *	KFP has kicked AMERIKA from #wikipedia-en (AMERIKA)
May 02 16:10:08 <wctaiwan>	because that's just not the way to go about it..
May 02 16:10:16 <gde33>	oh but it is ;)
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May 02 16:11:03 <wctaiwan>	Please don't.
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May 02 16:13:21 <gde33>	we need an article about the [[Permaculture Research Institute]]
May 02 16:13:34 <gde33>	I consider this the most important institute in the world :)
May 02 16:13:40 <gde33>	is that biased enough?
May 02 16:15:15 <gde33>	this would then become the most important video on the web http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gPvsl9ni-4
May 02 16:15:59 <gde33>	we have this already http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_Lawton
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May 02 16:16:50 <wctaiwan>	gde33: If you are interested in the subject, you're of course encouraged to create an article on it provided that you can establish its notability, write in a neutral tone and find reliable sources (by Wikipedia standards) to back up the article. But somehow I don't think that's how you intend to work.
May 02 16:17:24 <gde33>	then you should assume good faith from now on
May 02 16:18:02 <wctaiwan>	a bit difficult, considering what you've said so far.
May 02 16:18:18 <gde33>	you can do it ;)
May 02 16:18:19 <wctaiwan>	but again, if I am indeed mistaken, by all means go ahead.
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May 02 16:18:59 <gde33>	it would be good to first expand Geoff's article a bit
May 02 16:20:01 <zscout370>	my suggestion is maybe add a few lines to that institute if Geoff was the founder
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May 02 16:29:26 <gde33>	looking over the wikiversity stuff now
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May 02 16:40:08 <wctaiwan>	is calling bin Laden a terrorist NPOV by WP standards?
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May 02 16:41:50 <zscout370>	as long as we include other viewpoints of OBL, it is fine
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May 02 16:43:01 <wctaiwan>	idk, I'm asking because on zh someone mentioned that as POV and someone concurred
May 02 16:43:06 <wctaiwan>	just felt it was a bit.. contrived?
May 02 16:43:32 <wctaiwan>	(of course, there's another comment below that saying "farewell Laden, The US are the biggest terrorists.")
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May 02 16:44:46 <zscout370>	and there will be things that ZH will believe differently than we do
May 02 16:45:10 <derp>	Hedgehog456: <3
May 02 16:45:27 <zscout370>	people do see OBL as a hero and Bush (and sometimes Obama) as the great terrorist evil
May 02 16:45:42 <wctaiwan>	yes zscout370, but the person who originally raised the concern cited that the english WP does not use that in the first paragraph
May 02 16:45:52 <wctaiwan>	rather saying he's a "militant"
May 02 16:46:17 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 02 16:46:28 *	derp huggles Hedgehog456 tightly back.
May 02 16:46:48 <derp>	so i pruned the data to a nice layered 512mb of data.
May 02 16:46:56 <derp>	brb a tic
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May 02 16:47:33 <zscout370>	wctaiwan: at least say within the view of the US Government, he was most wanted terrorist
May 02 16:47:33 <zscout370>	and that is what we done at en
May 02 16:47:40 *	Douche gives Hedgehog456 a crumpet.
May 02 16:47:59 *	Fluffernutter sniffles
May 02 16:48:37 *	Douche gives Fluffernutter a giant hug!
May 02 16:48:37 <Fluffernutter>	aw yay
May 02 16:48:39 *	Fluffernutter is in much need of hugs today
May 02 16:48:42 <Douche>	so is iron gone?
May 02 16:48:43 <zscout370>	and speaking about our article, why do we have information on Ubuntu on OBL's article?
May 02 16:49:00 <Fluffernutter>	he's leaving this afternoon
May 02 16:49:18 <wctaiwan>	the chinese wp says "he was the leader of al-Qaeda, which is considered a global terrorist organisation by many"
May 02 16:49:18 <zscout370>	right
May 02 16:49:20 <Douche>	slap him for me pleas.e
May 02 16:49:20 <wctaiwan>	which I suppose is fair enough except for the 'many'
May 02 16:49:33 *	Douche gives Fluffernutter a strawberry muffin.
May 02 16:49:34 *	wctaiwan glomps Fluffernutter 
May 02 16:49:36 <zscout370>	and that is where the cites come into play
May 02 16:50:23 <wctaiwan>	yeah zscout370, except ehh.. I don't pay much attention to zh. and to be honest, I don't have a very high opinion of it either.
May 02 16:50:30 *	Douche hands Fluffernutter chow mein.
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May 02 16:50:42 <Fluffernutter>	got any xanax instead?
May 02 16:50:50 <wctaiwan>	I'd trust en for well known topics and niche but uncontroversial topics, but zh.. :/
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May 02 16:51:29 <Doh5678>	Yay!
May 02 16:52:34 <Douche>	Fluffernutter: i'll give you some percodan instead.
May 02 16:53:36 <Douche>	once i get home, i'm going to the polling station.
May 02 16:53:42 <Fluffernutter>	will percodan make me stop panicking?
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May 02 16:54:11 <Douche>	dunno
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May 02 16:54:20 <Douche>	but a cute hottie jut passed in front of me
May 02 16:54:22 <wctaiwan>	Fluffernutter: find some distraction :/
May 02 16:54:23 <Douche>	:P
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May 02 16:54:37 <Douche>	oh
May 02 16:54:39 <Douche>	send your dog :p
May 02 16:55:27 *	wctaiwan has no dog
May 02 16:55:27 <Fluffernutter>	i'm watching tv, chatting on irc, and reading my rss feeds
May 02 16:55:27 <Fluffernutter>	and i still have a significant portion of my brain devoted to panic
May 02 16:55:27 <Douche>	I'm eating and ircing
May 02 16:55:27 <Douche>	:P
May 02 16:55:27 <Fluffernutter>	oh, and i'm eating
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May 02 16:55:27 <Douche>	<3
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May 02 16:55:28 *	Douche s teals Fluffernutter 's noms.
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May 02 16:55:28 *	Fluffernutter shakes head, sobs quietl
May 02 16:55:28 <Fluffernutter>	y
May 02 16:55:39 *	Douche makes Fluffernutter a quiche!
May 02 16:55:44 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Fluffernutter tightly
May 02 16:55:51 <wctaiwan>	huh, I never knew teal was anything but a colour
May 02 16:55:51 <Douche>	a swiss cheese quiche!
May 02 16:55:55 *	Douche huggles Fluffernutter tightly
May 02 16:55:58 *	wctaiwan nicks the quiche and noms it in one bite
May 02 16:55:59 *	Douche gives Fluffernutter a quiche!
May 02 16:56:13 <wctaiwan>	sorry it looked so good T_T
May 02 16:56:13 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 02 16:56:18 *	Fluffernutter doesn't much like quiche anyway, you can have it wctaiwan
May 02 16:56:24 <Douche>	i make kick-ass soufflés
May 02 16:56:24 <Douche>	:P
May 02 16:56:31 <wctaiwan>	thank you ^_^
May 02 16:56:43 *	Douche gives Fluffernutter broccoli
May 02 16:57:09 <Fluffernutter>	ew
May 02 16:57:14 <Douche>	and another hottie just passed bu
May 02 16:57:24 <Douche>	:p
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May 02 16:57:39 <Douche>	he was more a hipster hottie
May 02 16:58:01 *	Fluffernutter already has more hipster hottie on her hands than is strictly healthful
May 02 16:58:12 <Douche>	oh
May 02 16:58:17 <Douche>	coif ironholds
May 02 16:58:20 <Douche>	::P
May 02 16:58:55 <wctaiwan>	he? I didn't know hottie refers to guys.
May 02 16:59:11 <Qcoder00>	ROFL
May 02 16:59:23 *	Douche is gay btw wctaiwan :P
May 02 16:59:32 <Fluffernutter>	coifing him would wake him up, and he is a gigantic asshole when you wake him up
May 02 16:59:52 <Douche>	well, give him uppers and downers instead
May 02 16:59:53 <Douche>	:P
May 02 17:00:06 <wctaiwan>	Douche: I suspected, but thought it might be rude to ask. (or ask whether you're female, which would be judgmental)
May 02 17:00:40 <Douche>	heh
May 02 17:01:11 *	wctaiwan is really anal about PC except when talking to close friends
May 02 17:01:55 <Fluffernutter>	Douche, did you see my tweet a little while ago? Next time i get him near me, I'm doping his food with uppers and downers depending on the time of day
May 02 17:02:05 <Douche>	heh
May 02 17:02:06 <Douche>	good idea
May 02 17:02:07 <Douche>	:D
May 02 17:02:09 <Douche>	i did se eit
May 02 17:02:10 <Douche>	:D
May 02 17:02:13 <Douche>	:o
May 02 17:02:16 <Douche>	it's 12:02
May 02 17:02:18 <Douche>	i should go
May 02 17:02:25 *	Douche gotta catch the train
May 02 17:02:29 <wctaiwan>	bye
May 02 17:02:46 <Douche>	the station is just next to where i am
May 02 17:02:50 <Douche>	so it's pretty close.
May 02 17:02:59 <Douche>	and i don't even need to go outside
May 02 17:03:00 <Douche>	:P
May 02 17:03:08 <geniice>	alright. I have tea
May 02 17:03:22 <Douche>	yum
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May 02 17:04:14 *	Fluffernutter wants bubble tea
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May 02 17:04:25 <geniice>	we've been through this
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May 02 17:04:51 <Douche>	so toodles hunnies
May 02 17:04:52 <Douche>	<3
May 02 17:04:55 <geniice>	bubble tea is a perverted abomination that only americans could produce
May 02 17:05:04 <Douche>	geniice: it's asian
May 02 17:05:05 <Douche>	:P
May 02 17:05:05 <wctaiwan>	uhh, isn't it from taiwan?
May 02 17:05:08 <Fluffernutter>	bye, Douchey
May 02 17:05:13 <Douche>	yep
May 02 17:05:14 <wctaiwan>	unless we're talking about different things
May 02 17:05:17 <Douche>	it's from taiwan
May 02 17:05:18 <Fluffernutter>	bubble tea is from taiwan afaik, yes
May 02 17:05:18 <Douche>	:)
May 02 17:05:43 <wctaiwan>	you get it in the US?
May 02 17:05:50 <geniice>	See this is what happens when we fail to conqueror somewhere
May 02 17:05:56 <wctaiwan>	I'm Taiwanese and I've had it like, less than 10 times in my 18 years of being alive :P
May 02 17:05:57 <Douche>	and Canada.
May 02 17:06:00 <Fluffernutter>	wctaiwan, yep
May 02 17:06:15 <Douche>	Altough the last bubble tea i drank was 3 years ago
May 02 17:06:16 <Douche>	:P
May 02 17:06:18 <wctaiwan>	not my cup of tea (groan) but whatever floats your boat
May 02 17:06:18 <Douche>	and it was badly prepped.
May 02 17:06:33 <wctaiwan>	geniice: please do. I'm sure many of us here would love it.
May 02 17:06:38 *	Douche had a tummyache after it.
May 02 17:06:54 <wctaiwan>	aw.
May 02 17:08:10 <Douche>	so  inever drank bubble tea after.
May 02 17:08:30 <Douche>	I prefer my tea to be real and served in a real café
May 02 17:10:05 <Douche>	bbl
May 02 17:10:07 <Douche>	<3
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May 02 17:11:39 <juboxor>	I bez blasterphastique!!!
May 02 17:12:42 <Hedgehog456>	...
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May 02 17:13:06 <juboxor>	I has so muc IP address that them op(pressor)s don't know what to do if I go intentionally astray
May 02 17:13:14 <wctaiwan>	Fluffernutter: oddly, my "comfort drink" is coke, which is as american as mcdonald's and apple pie..
May 02 17:13:33 <wctaiwan>	/uninteresting tidbit
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May 02 17:13:55 <Fluffernutter>	the most coke-addicted person i know is ironholds, who is about as non-american as it gets
May 02 17:14:02 <wctaiwan>	heh.
May 02 17:14:18 <wctaiwan>	I used to have a teacher who was literally addicted to diet coke in that she kept a box of it in her classroom.
May 02 17:14:24 <juboxor>	wctaiwan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Coca-Cola
May 02 17:15:07 <wctaiwan>	juboxor: I know about a lot of that. and guess what, I still drink it :P
May 02 17:15:20 <juboxor>	Soft drink bottling industry labor activist leaders murdered by death-squad paid by the Coca-Cola bottling licence holder
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May 02 17:15:39 <juboxor>	wctaiwan: damn it I cannot belive you
May 02 17:15:50 *	wctaiwan sighs
May 02 17:16:02 <juboxor>	you prbbly support Nestlé as well
May 02 17:16:13 <wctaiwan>	I also use Apple computers. Apple is the company that contracted Foxconn.
May 02 17:16:23 <wctaiwan>	I don't know much about nestlé.
May 02 17:16:39 <wctaiwan>	the thing is, I don't like them as companies. I like their products. Now let me have my tooth decay and overpriced iPod.
May 02 17:17:23 <wctaiwan>	also, to be honest... I don't think Coca-Cola supports the assassinations?
May 02 17:17:46 <juboxor>	and Shell... Yeah who cares about [[Ken Saro-Viva]] who was murdered by the Nigerian gov't and Shell would merely have to moved a finger and it would not have been done but Shell Corp. didn't care to infere to the Front-Right defender of Ogoni-land and Ogoni-people 's murder by hanging
May 02 17:17:59 <juboxor>	* have to ahvae
May 02 17:18:02 <juboxor>	* have to have
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May 02 17:18:52 <wctaiwan>	I'm a person. Not an activist. It's great if you choose to be the latter and as long as you aren't bat crazy and pushy I probably admire you, but it's a choice for me to make, not for others to make for me.
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May 02 17:22:23 <geniice>	wctaiwan I'm sure the the higher levels of Coca-Cola neither know no care and work very hard to keep it that way. It's not credible that the local factory managers don't have some involement
May 02 17:22:23 <geniice>	yet another castle no one cares about http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Netley_castle_april_2011.JPG
May 02 17:22:23 <wctaiwan>	geniice: the bottlers aren't directly owned by Coca-Cola though, no?
May 02 17:22:53 <geniice>	wctaiwan it's complicated. It's whats called in the trade bloody hands at arms length
May 02 17:23:37 <wctaiwan>	I'm not saying that makes it alright, just that Coca-Cola simply chose bad business partners and are probably not involved in the actual details of keeping trouble away from bottling plants.
May 02 17:24:33 <Qcoder00>	OK Template person needed
May 02 17:24:33 <Qcoder00>	{{UK-LEG ext is not behaving
May 02 17:24:41 <Qcoder00>	{{UK-LEG ext}} is not behaving
May 02 17:25:03 <Qcoder00>	DESPITE me doing excatly what the documentation for parser functions SAYS you do
May 02 17:26:23 <wctaiwan>	I can see where juboxor is coming from, but to me it's kind of.. meh? As someone who is lucky to be born in a relatively modern, free and stable country, someone somewhere is always suffering for my decisions. I'd rather try to support those people through say, donations, rather than consciously avoiding products from any company that may be directly or by proxy harming the welfare of the less fortunate.
May 02 17:26:23 <wctaiwan>	It's just too hard
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May 02 17:27:37 <juboxor>	wctaiwan: in .fi liek 98.5% of homicides get solved
May 02 17:27:52 <juboxor>	other crime the police don't care much
May 02 17:27:53 <wctaiwan>	is that bad or good?
May 02 17:28:23 <juboxor>	wctaiwan: I'll take it as good as it lessens the possibility of your's truly getting assasinated
May 02 17:28:35 <juboxor>	or killed accidentally
May 02 17:28:41 <juboxor>	let me tell you folks
May 02 17:28:41 <wctaiwan>	Fair enough.
May 02 17:29:16 <juboxor>	getting killed accidentally, especially from causes of your own stupidity, sucks ass
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May 02 17:30:52 <juboxor>	dying of own stupidity is always stupid
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May 02 17:33:05 <Irish_Eddy>	I can mark edits as checked on the Dutch Wikipedia, why can't I do that on the English WP?
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May 02 17:34:08 <zscout370>	I don't think we have it set up yet
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May 02 17:37:16 <juboxor>	stupidy can sometimes be extreme... like there are 3 dead junkies in Finland just because they wouldn't bother to take the minute it takes to look up [[Fentanyl]] where it says that 100 micrograms of Fentanyl is as strong as 10 milligrams of morphine and make the difficult  calculation that the shit is 100x stronger then morphine and all of them 3 junkies are dead junkies..
May 02 17:37:19 <juboxor>	idiots..
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May 02 17:39:56 <MC8>	Does anyone know which ts tool it is that counts the number of edits to an article by each user?
May 02 17:40:09 <juboxor>	Fentanyl is great stuff... My late grand-mother (may she rest in peace) had it in patches a lot of patches because she had this thing of her leg dying causing lot of pain so very strong painkillers were essentially needed in the last stages of her life (may she rest in peace)
May 02 17:40:21 <Gigs-->	juboxor: several short acting surgical anesthetics aren't even scheduled in the US
May 02 17:40:29 <Gigs-->	because they are too hard to use without killing yourself hehe
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May 02 17:41:40 <juboxor>	Gigs--: have you heard how the moscow theatre siege ended
May 02 17:41:54 <Gigs-->	the one where they used sedation gas?
May 02 17:41:57 <Gigs-->	yeah that was a mess
May 02 17:42:05 <Anna_Frodesiak>	OE is that you?
May 02 17:42:46 <Gigs-->	that is the one thing that makes a star trek style phaser so hard... it's really hard to incapacitate someone without risking death
May 02 17:43:08 <juboxor>	[[Sleeping gas]] says something like "unidentified fentanyl carrying drung used in the Moscow Theatre Siege" I remember tens of hostages dying from the gas
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May 02 17:43:22 <juboxor>	emphasis on "unidentified gas"
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May 02 17:44:19 <Gigs-->	the crisis article says 170 died total and there were 50 captors
May 02 17:44:28 <Gigs-->	so they killed more hostages than militants
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May 02 17:45:24 <juboxor>	Gigs--: well what would you do with a bunch of terrorists with AK-47's and "dead man switch" improvised explosives ?
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May 02 17:46:00 <Gigs-->	attack with overwhelming force would be the standard procedure
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May 02 17:47:59 <Gigs-->	I guess a similar situation might be the Waco Branch Dividians, but a lot died there too becuase of the fire
May 02 17:48:09 <Gigs-->	it's not clear whether they were committing suicide though
May 02 17:52:03 <albel727>	lol. deadman switch bombs, hostages, and booby trapped building and you're like "rush lots of forces in there, why don't we?". way to make lots of fresh grinded meat, dude. thanks god you're in no position to make decisions in such situations.
May 02 17:52:30 <Gigs-->	the sedative gas would have triggered "dead man's switch" bombs too, wouldn't it?
May 02 17:53:22 <albel727>	yeah, but adding your forces to the resulting fresh meat isn't going to help either, don't you think?
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May 02 17:56:20 <juboxor>	Gigs--: yeah. sry. my bad.. if you gas out a person with a "dead man switch" you'll detonate the thing
May 02 17:56:42 <gde33>	MC8 asked for a tool that counts edits per user. I forget what it was called. What was the name again?
May 02 17:57:12 <juboxor>	Gigs--: otoh. if you kill a man with a dead man switch the hostages are likely to die
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May 02 17:58:21 <juboxor>	LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
May 02 17:58:50 <gde33>	no one remembers?
May 02 17:59:06 <gde33>	google isn't very helpful with all the wikipedia spam
May 02 17:59:20 <MC8>	I know there is one, I can't find it :P
May 02 17:59:24 <juboxor>	gde33: editcount ?
May 02 17:59:34 <juboxor>	I've no URL
May 02 17:59:44 <MC8>	A breakdown of edits per user of an article
May 02 18:00:02 <gde33>	yes, something to help use this 1980 style archive system
May 02 18:00:18 <juboxor>	gde33: #something toolserver something
May 02 18:00:28 <gde33>	hah
May 02 18:00:48 <gde33>	ok nvm, there is a reason it wasnt upgraded out of the 80's and this is it :P
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May 02 18:01:37 <gde33>	I tried to understand the parameters of the xml version of the archive but was not sucessful
May 02 18:02:57 <gde33>	if I only had that url with offset I could make a rly nice ajax web log (which is what it technically is a log on the web)
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May 02 18:03:43 <gde33>	that would sure help us apriciate ppls hard work :)
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May 02 18:07:02 <Tatsujin>	The Bin ladin family visiting Falun in Sweden during the 70s http://blog.zeit.de/joerglau/files/2011/05/binladen_lg.jpg
May 02 18:07:19 <Herodotus>	Tell me more.
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May 02 18:07:19 <derp>	:o
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May 02 18:08:49 <gde33>	Why doesnt the article about this virtual person say his FBI file doesn't include 911?
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May 02 18:10:03 <gde33>	fox news as judge and jury
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May 02 18:10:20 <derp>	gde33: you know what's gonna be interesting to follow tonight?
May 02 18:10:33 <derp>	starting from 9:30 PM eastern?
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May 02 18:11:15 <gde33>	derp: you mean you still own a Tee Vee?
May 02 18:11:25 <derp>	gde33: :P
May 02 18:11:38 <gde33>	I bet you believe anything they tell you. hah
May 02 18:11:41 <derp>	gde33: see who's canada's newest PM
May 02 18:11:42 <derp>	:P
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May 02 18:12:04 <MC8>	(panics)
May 02 18:12:04 <derp>	:o
May 02 18:12:04 <derp>	oh noes
May 02 18:12:04 <derp>	netsplit
May 02 18:12:06 <derp>	noooooooooo
May 02 18:12:07 <gde33>	derp: what about the royal wedding?
May 02 18:12:14 <gde33>	surely you got to see that?
May 02 18:12:15 <derp>	gde33: it was last frida
May 02 18:12:17 <derp>	yes
May 02 18:12:17 <derp>	:)
May 02 18:12:23 <derp>	i slept trough it
May 02 18:12:23 <derp>	:)
May 02 18:12:33 <gde33>	oh, how did that happen?
May 02 18:12:33 <juboxor>	mmm banana.split
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May 02 18:13:13 <juboxor>	with the chockolatey choco choco flowin choco dreassing
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May 02 18:18:09 <ke4roh>	!admin  please block {{IPvandal|174.47.110.67}} vandalism continues after final warning. -- ~~~~
May 02 18:19:00 <Ironholds>	there is no final warning
May 02 18:19:22 <ke4roh>	Sorry, let me put it there! :)
May 02 18:19:37 <Ironholds>	...can you put it in there *and link it to an edit he has made since the last warning*?
May 02 18:20:06 <ke4roh>	yes
May 02 18:20:34 <derp>	time for bus
May 02 18:20:37 <derp>	hey Ironholds
May 02 18:20:45 <derp>	so have you packed yet?
May 02 18:21:24 <ke4roh>	Ironholds: done.  Thanks.
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May 02 18:23:23 <derp>	Ironholds: I'll be back at 3PM for ore insults at you.
May 02 18:23:27 <derp>	more
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May 02 18:23:46 <Ironholds>	note that it's occasionally useful to actually revert their edits
May 02 18:24:14 <Ironholds>	but in this case, fair enough
May 02 18:24:21 <Ironholds>	now poke me when he does something again
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May 02 18:30:27 <Qcoder00>	Admin please
May 02 18:30:46 <Qcoder00>	I'd like {{ShouldBeJPG}} restored to use
May 02 18:31:06 <Qcoder00>	I'm finding some fair-use stuff that would be more sensible if it was in JPG form
May 02 18:31:35 <Herodotus>	http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=293069 I always knew Wikipedia was part of the problem.
May 02 18:32:08 <Herodotus>	Also, the Wayback Machine is necessary to view old pages.
May 02 18:32:09 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: good for you. get some consensus.
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May 02 18:32:33 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds:  OK
May 02 18:32:39 <Qcoder00>	I'll consider asking around
May 02 18:32:41 <Qcoder00>	;)
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May 02 18:33:45 <killiondude>	when is jpg preferred over png?
May 02 18:34:03 <Qcoder00>	Photos
May 02 18:34:22 <Qcoder00>	Especially FUR photo
May 02 18:34:39 <killiondude>	Hm. I see.
May 02 18:37:31 <Hedgehog456>	my dog is here
May 02 18:37:35 <Hedgehog456>	prepare for spam
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May 02 18:38:17 <ThrashOut>	killiondude - lol, I almost always use png over jpg for everything
May 02 18:38:34 <ThrashOut>	If nothing else, just for the transparency
May 02 18:38:36 *	ThrashOut shrugs
May 02 18:38:36 <Hedgehog456>	bgggfffffrffvf c rre4eddderrtjujmjjjjnnhjjjjkkjjujui0k//'#
May 02 18:38:40 <Hedgehog456>	ooops
May 02 18:38:42 <Hedgehog456>	dog :P
May 02 18:38:51 <Hedgehog456>	on keyboard
May 02 18:38:56 <ThrashOut>	little dog?
May 02 18:39:01 <Hedgehog456>	yes
May 02 18:39:05 <ThrashOut>	What kind?
May 02 18:39:09 <Hedgehog456>	JRT
May 02 18:39:14 <ThrashOut>	I have 2 chihuahuas
May 02 18:39:19 <ThrashOut>	Those aren't that little
May 02 18:39:20 <Hedgehog456>	my dog is the most persistent spammer here
May 02 18:39:30 <ThrashOut>	jrt weight what, 20 lbs?
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May 02 18:39:34 <Hedgehog456>	she's a puppy
May 02 18:39:37 <ThrashOut>	oh
May 02 18:39:42 <ThrashOut>	nice :)
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May 02 18:52:14 <AzaToth>	I do not think "in the news" is well setup atm, as the top entry is about osama, but the image is the beatification of pope john paul II
May 02 18:52:33 <killiondude>	It was without a pic as of 12 hrs ago
May 02 18:52:48 <killiondude>	The pictures of osama are in deletion venues atm
May 02 18:52:53 <AzaToth>	ok
May 02 18:53:17 <AzaToth>	it just looks wrong ツ
May 02 18:53:19 <killiondude>	(I agree with you though)
May 02 18:53:48 <Krimpet>	I like it.
May 02 18:54:04 <AzaToth>	beatification of osama bin laden?
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May 02 19:01:36 <StevenW>	Hey Theo
May 02 19:01:38 <geniice>	AzaToth not within his version of islam
May 02 19:01:45 <Theo10011>	Hey StevenW
May 02 19:02:02 <Theo10011>	what's a guy like you doing in a dump like this? ;)
May 02 19:02:07 <geniice>	hopeful the US will release some relevant pics at some point
May 02 19:02:38 <geniice>	long term I suspect that Abbottabad just got itself a tourist attraction
May 02 19:03:53 <StevenW>	Very funny Theo. This is where it's at.
May 02 19:03:56 <StevenW>	:)
May 02 19:04:02 <AzaToth>	a bad abbot?
May 02 19:04:19 <Ironholds>	for Osama, this week has been abbottabad as it can get
May 02 19:04:21 <Theo10011>	hehe
May 02 19:04:38 <killiondude>	http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/memes-osama-bin-laden.jpg
May 02 19:06:13 <AzaToth>	killiondude: I don't get the meme
May 02 19:06:35 <killiondude>	Hm. Have you seen CSI: Miami?
May 02 19:06:41 <killiondude>	A television series.
May 02 19:06:53 <guillom>	Haha.
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May 02 19:07:05 <AzaToth>	ffs
May 02 19:07:11 <AzaToth>	can't edit [[Death of Osama bin Laden]]
May 02 19:07:18 <AzaToth>	getting ec:s all the time
May 02 19:07:24 <guillom>	Is he actually putting on a *second* pair of sunglasses?
May 02 19:07:46 <AzaToth>	guillom: I've no idea ツ
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May 02 19:08:02 <killiondude>	guillom: I didn't notice that before
May 02 19:08:05 <killiondude>	That made me laugh
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May 02 19:09:13 <AzaToth>	Death of Osama bin Laden: WikiProject Death (Rated B-class, Low-importance)
May 02 19:09:21 <AzaToth>	low importance?
May 02 19:09:30 <Theo10011>	heh
May 02 19:09:41 <StevenW>	Death of a single person articles are always low I think
May 02 19:09:52 <StevenW>	It's about relative importance to the topic of death as a whole
May 02 19:09:53 <AzaToth>	StevenW: I see
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May 02 19:10:11 <StevenW>	Is there a WikiProject Terrorism?
May 02 19:10:19 <AzaToth>	StevenW: yes
May 02 19:10:25 <AzaToth>	WikiProject Terrorism 	[show](Rated B-class, High-importance)
May 02 19:10:30 <StevenW>	Cool beans
May 02 19:10:36 <AzaToth>	WikiProject Pakistan 	[show](Rated C-class, Low-importance)
May 02 19:10:53 <Hedgehog456>	I'd like to tell you all a story.
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May 02 19:11:22 <killiondude>	I doubt it will be worth anyone's time. :-P
May 02 19:11:35 <Theo10011>	lol
May 02 19:11:36 <Hedgehog456>	It is called...
May 02 19:11:44 <Hedgehog456>	'THE MAN WHO WAS SACKED'
May 02 19:12:00 <Hedgehog456>	There was a man. His name was Robert Platt.
May 02 19:12:13 <Theo10011>	Robert Plant?
May 02 19:12:29 <Hedgehog456>	He was an ordinary person, or as ordinary as possible when you're in a story being told by a hedgehog.
May 02 19:13:13 <Herodotus>	I, Herodotus, hereby award killiondude the Terrorism Barnstar of Merit for your tireless efforts in improving the article on Osama bin Laden.
May 02 19:13:20 <Hedgehog456>	One day, his boss gave him a very important assignment.
May 02 19:13:36 <killiondude>	I made two edits, Herodotus. I would hardly call myself a hero.
May 02 19:13:48 <Herodotus>	martyr*
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May 02 19:14:11 <Hedgehog456>	He had to write an essay on nuclear bombs for his boss.
May 02 19:14:19 <Hedgehog456>	So he got home, and he wrote it.
May 02 19:14:22 <Krimpet>	Cool story, bro.
May 02 19:14:42 <Hedgehog456>	Then he realised it had the wrong name: the boss wanted a very specific name for the document.
May 02 19:15:00 <Dragonfly6-7>	quick: without looking, what's the difference between Dagger.jpg and Dagger.JPG ?
May 02 19:15:07 <Hedgehog456>	He was using Linux though (after being convinced by his cool techie friends)
May 02 19:15:20 <Hedgehog456>	Dragonfly6-7: one's a penis, one's a popular television series
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May 02 19:15:53 <KFP>	Hedgehog456: ...And neither is a dagger?
May 02 19:16:04 *	Fluffernutter stares
May 02 19:16:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	actually, one is an ancient egyptian dagger and one is a modern replica dagger
May 02 19:16:10 <Hedgehog456>	Both are daggers
May 02 19:16:14 <Dragonfly6-7>	now, which is which?
May 02 19:16:28 <geniice>	neither is a dance move?
May 02 19:16:29 <Hedgehog456>	He didn't know how to use Linux.
May 02 19:16:38 <Hedgehog456>	So he wondered how to rename the document.
May 02 19:16:55 <Hedgehog456>	He said, "Hmm, I'll try "rm <document name>""
May 02 19:16:58 <Hedgehog456>	And he did.
May 02 19:17:05 <Hedgehog456>	And the document was deleted.
May 02 19:17:19 <Hedgehog456>	He cried as he watched his work being destroyed.
May 02 19:17:41 <Jeske_Couriano>	What does rm stand for other than delete?
May 02 19:17:41 <Ironholds>	who cares?
May 02 19:17:46 <killiondude>	remove
May 02 19:17:47 <Theo10011>	At least it has a happy ending.
May 02 19:17:49 <killiondude>	remastered
May 02 19:17:51 <Jeske_Couriano>	He's too dumb to live.
May 02 19:17:58 <Krimpet>	<Krimpet> Cool story, bro.
May 02 19:18:16 <Hedgehog456>	Then he went to his boss, hoping he would understand.
May 02 19:18:41 <MuZemike>	ID10T error?
May 02 19:18:41 <Hedgehog456>	But his boss was called 123Hedgehog456, and was a cruel, merciless, tyrant megalomaniac, and sacked him.
May 02 19:18:42 <Hedgehog456>	THE END.
May 02 19:18:53 <Theo10011>	yay!
May 02 19:18:55 <Fluffernutter>	wait, they let 12-year-olds be bosses where you are?
May 02 19:18:58 <Jeske_Couriano>	MuZemike) More like dumbass attack
May 02 19:19:01 <Hedgehog456>	Or at least, that's what the rumours say.
May 02 19:19:06 <Hedgehog456>	Fluffernutter: I'm not 12-year-old.
May 02 19:19:10 <Hedgehog456>	*a
May 02 19:19:16 <Theo10011>	was this a school project or something?
May 02 19:19:19 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: you act like one
May 02 19:19:24 <Fluffernutter>	you're not much older than that
May 02 19:19:29 <Hedgehog456>	True.
May 02 19:19:52 <Hedgehog456>	Dragonfly6-7: I read the description, and I Knew.
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May 02 19:23:14 <killiondude>	WHAT IS THE TEMPLATE TO MAKE TEXT GREEN
May 02 19:23:23 <killiondude>	and the other to make text red
May 02 19:23:44 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Green ? D:
May 02 19:23:49 <Hedgehog456>	Use HTML.
May 02 19:24:32 <Qcoder00>	Use CSS
May 02 19:24:32 <Qcoder00>	:)
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May 02 19:24:37 <killiondude>	there's a specific template that changes the font and color, iirc
May 02 19:27:14 <AzaToth>	Should "main article" on [[Death of Osama bin Laden]] be [[Osama bin Laden]] or [[Death]]?
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May 02 19:27:49 <KFP>	AzaToth: :I
May 02 19:28:18 <AzaToth>	KFP: aint it an valid question? :-P
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May 02 19:29:08 <Mitchazenia>	yay new song to be addicted to
May 02 19:29:38 <Mitchazenia>	I'm enjoying it too
May 02 19:30:18 <Mitchazenia>	of course its also trying to tell Chrome: You must earn your Resignation of Mikhail Gorbachev
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May 02 19:38:22 <Jeske_Couriano>	Could a few people in this channel please look over and fix [[Nose ride]]?
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May 02 19:38:53 <Mitchazenia>	I would if I wasn't working on my paper on Gorbachev's Effectivness as a Leader
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May 02 19:40:11 <Theo10011>	Jeske_Couriano those might be high standards you're trying to hold that user up to, he just started editing,
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May 02 19:40:52 <Theo10011>	NZ?
May 02 19:40:56 <LauraHale>	Jeske_Couriano: Can you point him to [[Netball]] as an example of how to do that?
May 02 19:41:05 <LauraHale>	Yes, leaving Auckland for Sydney soon.
May 02 19:41:16 <Jeske_Couriano>	LauraHale) I don't wanna hear about you and your fucking Netball.
May 02 19:41:18 <LauraHale>	The major issue with netball is our by region section is a bit too big.
May 02 19:41:25 <Hedgehog456>	I accidentally my laptop.
May 02 19:41:39 <KFP>	Hedgehog456: The whole laptop?
May 02 19:41:42 <Jeske_Couriano>	Theo10011) So are a lot of the mercenary editors who show similar resistance.
May 02 19:41:46 <LauraHale>	Jeske_Couriano: I was just saying for a participation sport, it an okay model to use.
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May 02 19:41:51 <Hedgehog456>	KFP: Just the touchpad :P
May 02 19:41:58 <Hedgehog456>	It's working again now
May 02 19:42:16 <Jeske_Couriano>	LauraHale) No, we're talking a surfing term.
May 02 19:42:34 <LauraHale>	Jeske_Couriano: Ah well.  Then not appropiate. :)
May 02 19:42:35 <LauraHale>	My bad.
May 02 19:42:37 <Jeske_Couriano>	We're not talking about your sacred cow that you've been mating with for the past month
May 02 19:43:12 <LauraHale>	Jeske_Couriano: Who put the bees in your bonnet this morning?
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May 02 19:45:00 <Jeske_Couriano>	LauraHale) You bringing up Netball for the millionth fucking time! If you like it so much put a goddamned ring on it!
May 02 19:45:18 <Fluffernutter>	fuck's sake, both of you shut up
May 02 19:45:24 <Hedgehog456>	^
May 02 19:45:25 <Hedgehog456>	I concur.
May 02 19:45:29 <Hedgehog456>	Whatever that means.
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May 02 19:45:37 <Hedgehog456>	I think it means 'agree'
May 02 19:48:43 <LauraHale>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_lacrosse is another good article about a sport that could be worth modeling as I belive it is a variant.  Can't find any sport terms for moves that are good. :(
May 02 19:49:44 <Jeske_Couriano>	LauraHale) We're talking *terminology*.
May 02 19:49:53 <Jeske_Couriano>	We're not talking the sport itself
May 02 19:50:03 <LauraHale>	Jeske_Couriano: I'm trying to find a good article in sports about terminology.
May 02 19:50:18 <LauraHale>	There are just few examples to draw from that are good or FA to model.
May 02 19:51:48 <Jeske_Couriano>	It also does not help this user is utterly oblivious to WikiMarkup
May 02 19:51:49 <Sunderland06>	LauraHale: Like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_cricket_terms ?
May 02 19:51:58 <Sunderland06>	Although its a list.
May 02 19:52:19 <LauraHale>	Sunderland06: It is C class.
May 02 19:52:27 <Sunderland06>	I know, former FL though.
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May 02 19:55:10 <LauraHale>	hm. :/
May 02 19:56:02 <LauraHale>	Getting sport related articles outside people and teams to GA/FA is a problem across the board.  FL I think is less rigorous or has that changed like FA?  Was told FA from 3 years ago is like GA today.
May 02 19:56:05 <LauraHale>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:FA-Class_cricket_articles
May 02 19:57:32 <Sunderland06>	FL isn't too bad.
May 02 19:58:32 <LauraHale>	Comparable to GA or FA?
May 02 19:59:44 <Sunderland06>	FA.
May 02 20:00:57 *	LauraHale nod nods
May 02 20:01:13 <Jeske_Couriano>	bobpurvey left.
May 02 20:01:43 <LauraHale>	I want to get around to working on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roller_derby one of these days but haven't done much to it.
May 02 20:01:57 <Jeske_Couriano>	I just wish I could have been able to explain things to him, but I can't handle being the only helper in the channel if there's a wave of /joins coming in
May 02 20:02:02 <Theo10011>	he's still in the room Jeske_Couriano.
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May 02 20:03:32 <AzaToth>	I think we should stop telling people to do inline definition of referenses and instead always use list defined references
May 02 20:03:49 <AzaToth>	inline definitions makes the text unreadable as best
May 02 20:04:18 <AzaToth>	no one reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(footnotes)#List-defined_references?
May 02 20:04:36 <LauraHale>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_scorer is closer to the issue of sport variant or move but more of a rules thing.
May 02 20:06:01 <LauraHale>	AzaToth: Thanks for link. :)
May 02 20:06:04 *	LauraHale bookmarks
May 02 20:06:15 <LauraHale>	Hadn't wandered across that one before
May 02 20:06:37 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dead_external_links/301/c - Does this serve any useufl function anymore?
May 02 20:06:53 <Qcoder00>	Im finding in the small number I've checked most are fixed already
May 02 20:06:57 <Qcoder00>	MFD time?
May 02 20:08:03 <LauraHale>	Later. :)
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May 02 20:11:23 <geniice>	ah found them
May 02 20:11:27 <AzaToth>	geniice: catch 22?
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May 02 20:53:10 <Peter-C>	WTF?!?!??!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!
May 02 20:53:19 <KFP>	?
May 02 20:53:38 <Peter-C>	I am "Cambridge Who's Who Registry among Executives and Professionals in the field of Research, Medicine and Healthcare" and I will represent my town in that field
May 02 20:53:39 <Peter-C>	O_O
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May 02 21:10:07 <killiondude>	it's just spam
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May 02 21:12:45 <Peter-C>	killiondude - Nope, I checked it out
May 02 21:12:58 <Peter-C>	The organization helped out by Trump :P
May 02 21:13:12 <killiondude>	Who's Who registries are "real" but usually spammy.
May 02 21:13:21 <killiondude>	The internet has really outdated them.
May 02 21:15:16 <Peter-C>	Meh
May 02 21:15:17 <Peter-C>	>_>
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May 02 21:15:43 <KFP>	\o killiondude.
May 02 21:15:44 <killiondude>	o/ KFP
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May 02 21:17:32 <Qcoder00>	killiondude:  Unless it's Burkes ? XD
May 02 21:18:20 <killiondude>	I use Wikipedia.
May 02 21:18:34 <Qcoder00>	One for Ironholds maybe...
May 02 21:18:57 <Qcoder00>	How does Wikipedia compare with Burkes on  'notobale' nobility ;)
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May 02 21:19:43 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: no idea
May 02 21:20:02 <Qcoder00>	*'notable'
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May 02 21:22:37 <Ironholds>	I just emailed Antigua's prime minister
May 02 21:22:40 <Ironholds>	why? Because I rock
May 02 21:22:47 <foks>	Sweet
May 02 21:23:31 <Ironholds>	I should probably not have started the email "dear fuckface"
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May 02 21:26:23 <killiondude>	they'll get stuck that way!
May 02 21:26:26 <killiondude>	!mother
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May 02 21:30:13 <zscout370>	BarkingFish: I saw TPI hit 1000 articles :)
May 02 21:30:23 <BarkingFish>	finally :)
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May 02 21:30:48 <Glass_Arm>	Wonder if Osama's article is updated
May 02 21:30:53 <BarkingFish>	a good proportion of those are still stubs, but we're digging through them, slowly
May 02 21:30:55 <Glass_Arm>	I am not able to check now
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May 02 21:31:59 <Gfoley4>	what is this? re-confirmation RFA?
May 02 21:32:00 <Gfoley4>	:O
May 02 21:32:12 <killiondude>	o;
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May 02 21:32:22 <Fluffernutter>	it happens
May 02 21:32:33 <Gfoley4>	shit happens
May 02 21:32:48 <killiondude>	Wikipedia as a MMORPG has ever-changing rules.
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May 02 21:34:05 <YouLeMacaroni>	quick question:
May 02 21:34:24 <zscout370>	sure
May 02 21:35:01 <YouLeMacaroni>	is wiki going to put off updating the osama article until more evidence about the situation is gathered?
May 02 21:35:06 <Qcoder00>	What's  TPI?
May 02 21:35:14 <killiondude>	toilet paper index
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May 02 21:35:41 <Qcoder00>	Eh?
May 02 21:35:44 <KFP>	YouLeMacaroni: Do you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden   or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden ?
May 02 21:35:50 <zscout370>	Qcoder00: tok pinsin
May 02 21:35:58 <zscout370>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tok_Pisin
May 02 21:36:01 <YouLeMacaroni>	the former, KFP.
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May 02 21:36:52 <Glass_Arm>	Make sure in the former under 'death' you guys put 'This section is about a current event'
May 02 21:37:05 <killiondude>	will do
May 02 21:37:22 <KFP>	YouLeMacaroni: Well, the article already has a section about his death, and more detail is available in the separate article. What does it seem to be missing?
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May 02 21:37:56 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: look at what the touch of a wand can do for a disambiguation page:
May 02 21:38:00 <Logan_>	before: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Santi&oldid=426176139
May 02 21:38:03 <Logan_>	after: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santi
May 02 21:38:07 <Glass_Arm>	KFP: The fact that it isn't confirmed
May 02 21:38:15 <Gfoley4>	no, I'm not doing {{db-disamb}}s
May 02 21:38:19 <Glass_Arm>	At least how the operation took place
May 02 21:38:28 <killiondude>	Elvis is still alive, KFP
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May 02 21:38:32 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: no, I'm showing you my cleanup skills :P
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May 02 21:38:35 <Logan_>	killiondude: no u :P
May 02 21:38:36 <killiondude>	he's with Osama and Tupac.
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May 02 21:38:42 <Glass_Arm>	and the fact no photo of his dead body was released
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May 02 21:38:56 <Ironholds>	I have finished my article!
May 02 21:39:07 <Logan_>	Ironholds: about that politician?
May 02 21:39:20 *	Hedgehog456 applauds Ironholds and builds an iron statue of him
May 02 21:39:26 <MuZemike>	WP:OWN
May 02 21:39:29 *	Logan_ holds the iron statue
May 02 21:39:34 <dwayne>	osama
May 02 21:39:42 <Hedgehog456>	bin laden
May 02 21:39:46 <Ironholds>	Logan_: [[Vere Bird, Jr.]]
May 02 21:39:52 <MuZemike>	The last article I worked on ironically: [[Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II]]
May 02 21:40:02 <Logan_>	Ironholds: looks nice :)
May 02 21:40:07 <Hedgehog456>	Very nice
May 02 21:40:15 <Logan_>	Ironholds: I'll try to find a free picture
May 02 21:40:19 <Ironholds>	Logan_: got it covered
May 02 21:40:26 <Ironholds>	I've emailed their national government asking for stuff
May 02 21:40:41 <Hedgehog456>	I especially like the "There is no content in this page"
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May 02 21:41:14 <eptalon>	heyas
May 02 21:41:14 <Hedgehog456>	Unless I'm missing something
May 02 21:41:14 <Logan_>	Ironholds: I wonder what their PD laws are there
May 02 21:41:30 <Logan_>	Hedgehog456: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vere_Bird%2C_Jr._
May 02 21:41:38 <Logan_>	extra underscore in case your client is stripping the period
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May 02 21:42:00 <Hedgehog456>	Oh.
May 02 21:42:07 <Hedgehog456>	That's even better.
May 02 21:42:22 <YouLeMacaroni>	KFP -- my contention is more towards the date at which Osama was purported to have been killed. Was it April 29th, May 1st, or May 2nd?
May 02 21:42:27 <foks>	Be right back
May 02 21:43:12 <Logan_>	Ironholds: can't find anything regarding PD in Antigua and Barbuda
May 02 21:43:13 <zscout370>	YouLeMacaroni: I was just thinking about that. I know when we list information about the end of WW2 on both fronts, we list multiple dates
May 02 21:43:30 <zscout370>	because of time zones. Use that as a guide.
May 02 21:43:52 <YouLeMacaroni>	I thought GMT timezone was standard, but I guess going with multiple timezones is the safest?
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May 02 21:44:09 <zscout370>	you can list GMT, Pakistani time and US time
May 02 21:44:17 <Hedgehog456>	I'd like to make a speech.
May 02 21:44:23 <Hedgehog456>	*ahem* I'm back.
May 02 21:44:27 <Hedgehog456>	*speech over*
May 02 21:44:49 <Hedgehog456>	My first article coming soon :P
May 02 21:44:50 <zscout370>	or use GMT and US time because I can tell you as an American, it will always be May 1st, 2011 as the Zero Hour.
May 02 21:44:57 <Jeske_Couriano>	Still on about Osama bin Laden getting whacked and then given a Viking burial?
May 02 21:44:58 <Hedgehog456>	Starting work on it tomorrow
May 02 21:45:06 <MuZemike>	Zero Hour was a good movie.
May 02 21:45:10 <Glass_Arm>	Hedgehog456: How about I blank it
May 02 21:45:24 <Hedgehog456>	Glass_Arm: How about I revert you and warn you
May 02 21:45:40 <zscout370>	Jeske_Couriano: I would prefer to say sleeping with the fishes on the Atlantic shore (probably by Jersey), an all American burial
May 02 21:46:03 <MuZemike>	And I forgot *again* to change my userpage to celebrate May Day. Oh well, at least bin Laden's death gave me a good reason to go to the American flag.
May 02 21:46:09 <Glass_Arm>	Hedgehog456: How about i create multiple sockpuppets
May 02 21:46:34 <Hedgehog456>	Glass_Arm: How about I report you to the Checkusers, presenting my secret channel logs
May 02 21:46:34 <KFP>	Hedgehog456: Have you conquered your fear? :)
May 02 21:46:35 <Ironholds>	he's dead. Stop talking about it.
May 02 21:46:36 <MuZemike>	Mayday! Mayday! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYUe0_WeY2A
May 02 21:46:47 <Hedgehog456>	KFP: 'tis gone.
May 02 21:46:53 <KFP>	Hedgehog456: :)
May 02 21:47:02 <MuZemike>	How 'bout I block first and ask questions later?
May 02 21:47:05 <Glass_Arm>	Hedgehog456: How about i make more sockpuppets
May 02 21:47:11 <Hedgehog456>	I shot it in the heart.
May 02 21:47:16 <Glass_Arm>	xD I'm messing with you
May 02 21:47:17 <Hedgehog456>	It died five days later.
May 02 21:47:21 <Jeske_Couriano>	He's dead Jim
May 02 21:47:31 <Glass_Arm>	So what's the article about?
May 02 21:47:32 <Jeske_Couriano>	You take his wallet, I'll hock his dialysis machine
May 02 21:47:47 <MuZemike>	lol, he was a closet drunk
May 02 21:48:15 <Hedgehog456>	Glass_Arm: you would never guess
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May 02 21:48:40 <Glass_Arm>	hedgehog456: Most new articles are about obscure people
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May 02 21:48:48 <Glass_Arm>	so I narrowed it down
May 02 21:48:55 <Hedgehog456>	Glass_Arm: Nah
May 02 21:49:02 <MuZemike>	And virtually nonexistent settlements.
May 02 21:49:18 <MuZemike>	And events in some Games that nobody gives two shits about.
May 02 21:49:43 <Hedgehog456>	MuZemike: Nah
May 02 21:49:59 <Hedgehog456>	But those articles must be cleansed
May 02 21:50:08 <MuZemike>	And NHRP articles that say nothing more than "XYZ is a building. It was erected in 18XX."
May 02 21:50:16 *	Hedgehog456 waves "DELETIONISM" banner about.
May 02 21:50:22 <KFP>	MuZemike: ...And football players.
May 02 21:50:37 <Ironholds>	PLANE TIME
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May 02 21:50:40 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456, die
May 02 21:50:54 *	Hedgehog456 chucks the banner in the fire
May 02 21:50:57 <MuZemike>	It's not even about deletionism, it's about not wasting our time with reading about the bloody obvious.
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May 02 21:51:04 *	Hedgehog456 stamps on the banner
May 02 21:51:21 *	Hedgehog456 eats the ashes and vomits them out again
May 02 21:51:24 *	MuZemike sicks the deletionist cabal on Hedgehog456
May 02 21:51:32 *	Hedgehog456 destroys the banner with holy fire
May 02 21:51:40 <killiondude>	WIKIPEDIA FOREVER
May 02 21:51:46 <MuZemike>	Ayn Rand?
May 02 21:51:58 <MuZemike>	The eminent 20th century Russian American philosopher?
May 02 21:52:02 <KFP>	The eminent 20th century Russ...
May 02 21:52:09 <KFP>	:I
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May 02 21:52:42 *	Logan_ just saw a groundhog in his backyard
May 02 21:52:42 <Glass_Arm>	YAHOO ANSWERS FOREVER
May 02 21:52:44 <Logan_>	must be spring :P
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May 02 21:55:02 <Gfoley4>	MuZemike: wanna do a CU for me
May 02 21:55:02 <Gfoley4>	?
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May 02 21:56:11 <MuZemike>	Heh, got the best unblock request ever
May 02 21:56:18 <Hedgehog456>	"I AM ELVIS"
May 02 21:56:20 <Hedgehog456>	:P
May 02 21:56:22 <Pilif12p>	Second best.
May 02 21:56:23 <MuZemike>	"Tell those two cocksucking pieces of shit to go fuck themselves, and then whoever reads this can go fuck themselves too."
May 02 21:56:39 <Hedgehog456>	;P
May 02 21:56:48 <Hedgehog456>	I need a CU
May 02 21:57:03 <Pilif12p>	Best was barney  the overweight purple dinosaur
May 02 21:57:10 <Hedgehog456>	:P
May 02 21:57:14 <Hedgehog456>	That was the /best/
May 02 21:57:23 <Hedgehog456>	Give me the diff
May 02 21:57:39 <MuZemike>	Is that a username?
May 02 21:57:50 <Hedgehog456>	No
May 02 21:57:54 <Hedgehog456>	I don't think
May 02 21:57:58 <Pilif12p>	Well
May 02 21:58:00 <Hedgehog456>	Oh, I think it was
May 02 21:58:00 <Pilif12p>	The best block reason was that
May 02 21:58:04 <Pilif12p>	The unblock request was bad
May 02 21:58:07 <Pilif12p>	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User_talk:Barney_the_overweight_purple_dinosaur
May 02 21:58:41 <MuZemike>	No secure for me
May 02 21:58:45 <Hedgehog456>	HAHAHAHA :P
May 02 21:59:13 <Gfoley4>	ew, secure
May 02 21:59:23 <Gfoley4>	>=(
May 02 21:59:39 <Hedgehog456>	I was laughing at the secure
May 02 21:59:48 <Hedgehog456>	Now I'm going to laugh at the block
May 02 22:00:01 <Pilif12p>	httpseverywhere ftw
May 02 22:00:02 <Hedgehog456>	BWAHAHAHA... HEHEEEEEHEEE, HAHAHHA :P :D
May 02 22:00:07 <Pilif12p>	firesheep ftw, too.
May 02 22:00:18 <Logan_>	am I the only person who thinks that the new preview message is hideous?
May 02 22:00:29 <kisuke>	Pilif12p: glad im not the only person who read the EFF.
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May 02 22:06:48 <Hedgehog456>	Bye
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May 02 22:12:55 *	Topic for #wikipedia-en set by Thehelpfulone at Fri Apr 29 22:38:39 2011
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May 02 22:12:55 *	#wikipedia-en :http://en.wikipedia.org/
May 02 22:13:54 <killiondude>	lolcanada
May 02 22:14:45 <Douche>	So i voted.
May 02 22:15:38 <Douche>	mr killiondude can i hax ur fb
May 02 22:15:52 <killiondude>	no
May 02 22:17:40 <Douche>	:(
May 02 22:18:08 <Douche>	yay
May 02 22:18:20 <Douche>	ironholds is supposed to be on the way to the airport
May 02 22:18:21 <Douche>	:D
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May 02 22:23:27 *	Topic for #wikipedia-en set by Thehelpfulone at Fri Apr 29 22:38:39 2011
May 02 22:23:27 *	#wikipedia-en :http://en.wikipedia.org/
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May 02 22:57:25 <Headbomb>	Douche: yeah
May 02 22:57:32 <Headbomb>	i did my part to kick harper out
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May 02 22:57:55 <BarkingFish>	Wonder how many canadians were with you on it :)
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May 02 22:58:10 <Headbomb>	BarkingFish: roughly 65%
May 02 22:58:18 <BarkingFish>	:O
May 02 22:58:21 <BarkingFish>	fecking heck
May 02 22:58:29 <Headbomb>	whut?
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May 02 22:58:41 <BarkingFish>	I think that's more than kicked Gordon Brown out
May 02 22:58:59 <Headbomb>	BarkingFish: we have a multiparty system, and harper will still get the most seats
May 02 22:59:06 *	BarkingFish can't remember Labour's loss margin from the last election
May 02 22:59:40 <Headbomb>	however, what will most likely happen is that Harper will not be able to form a government with the trust of the parliament
May 02 22:59:51 <Headbomb>	and the Governor General will ask the next in line to form one
May 02 22:59:59 <Headbomb>	and that will be Jack Layton and the NDP
May 02 23:00:14 <Headbomb>	so i guess we'll have a minority NDP government
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May 02 23:00:56 <BarkingFish>	Any chance they'd be able to form a coalition, or does your system prevent that?
May 02 23:01:03 <Headbomb>	in theory yes
May 02 23:01:13 <derp>	I remember the last coalition attempt
May 02 23:01:16 <Headbomb>	but the coalition has been demonized as anti-democratic
May 02 23:01:24 <derp>	in wich a prorogation happened
May 02 23:01:24 <Headbomb>	and nazi-like
May 02 23:01:36 <BarkingFish>	who would they likely aim for as a partner if they went down that route?
May 02 23:01:46 <BarkingFish>	I don't know a whole lot about canadian politics
May 02 23:01:54 <Headbomb>	the coalition would be NDP Liberal if it happens
May 02 23:02:12 <Headbomb>	the backstory was a Liberal-NDP coalition a few years ago
May 02 23:02:26 <Headbomb>	but Harper prorogued parliament, and the liberals pussied out of it
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May 02 23:02:59 <Headbomb>	were it a liberal minority, it would be a liberal minority, no coalition, but with the support of the other parties for sake of stability
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May 02 23:03:12 <Headbomb>	however, in the last 3-4 weeks, the NDP went up like crazy
May 02 23:03:19 <Headbomb>	so what they would do is anyone's guess
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May 02 23:03:51 <Headbomb>	they could go "you Liberals pussied out on us, so screw you now that we're the top dog"
May 02 23:04:00 <BarkingFish>	Stephen Harper is Labour, right?
May 02 23:04:15 <Headbomb>	or they could go "let's make coalition anyway, just to garantee the libs won't fuck us in the ass"
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May 02 23:04:19 <Headbomb>	Harper is Conservative
May 02 23:04:39 <Headbomb>	which is like a less moronic version of the Republicans, but with the same policies
May 02 23:04:43 <BarkingFish>	Ah
May 02 23:04:48 <BarkingFish>	same shit, different name
May 02 23:04:50 <BarkingFish>	:)
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May 02 23:05:03 <Fluffernutter>	so they're less moronic how?
May 02 23:05:20 <Headbomb>	Fluffernutter: we don't have Sarah Palins, Tom DeLay, etc...
May 02 23:05:34 <BarkingFish>	For one thing, I'd assume they're not republican :)
May 02 23:05:55 <Headbomb>	or the Tea Partiers
May 02 23:06:26 <Headbomb>	and they tend to be a whole lot better at hiding their contempt for women or minorities
May 02 23:06:32 <Fluffernutter>	fair enough, i guess
May 02 23:06:33 <BarkingFish>	The tea partiers should bog off and discover the delights of coffee for a change :)
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May 02 23:06:56 <Headbomb>	but they are nearly just as evil
May 02 23:07:18 <Peter-C>	I wish Alfred Kinsey was my father
May 02 23:07:21 <Peter-C>	'nuff said
May 02 23:07:25 <Headbomb>	they want to be like republicans, but they know that if they are openly like republicans, they will lose groudn
May 02 23:07:28 <Headbomb>	*ground
May 02 23:07:33 <geniice>	hmm
May 02 23:07:35 <BarkingFish>	So they're basically daleks in a sheepskin. Look friendly, but evil underneath.
May 02 23:07:43 <Headbomb>	more or less
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May 02 23:07:51 <Headbomb>	the problem is mostly at the top
May 02 23:08:14 <geniice>	there's a photo of bin laden compounding pokeing out from under the classifed document in this pic
May 02 23:08:16 <geniice>	http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5680724572/sizes/o/in/photostream/
May 02 23:08:20 <Headbomb>	many individual MPs make sense, and would be very good choices if they were not in a party led by the Harper shitheads
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May 02 23:09:13 <Headbomb>	or their support for the "starve the beast" tactics with regards to social programs
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May 02 23:09:38 <BarkingFish>	geniice: very useful. Pixellated out so it can't be viewed.
May 02 23:09:54 <Headbomb>	they can't say they want to close center help centers for raped women
May 02 23:10:09 <Headbomb>	so instead they announced reductions in spending, and leave the details out
May 02 23:10:20 <geniice>	<BarkingFish no thats the classified document. look at the bit of paper sticking out underneith it
May 02 23:10:23 <Headbomb>	*close help centers
May 02 23:10:55 <Headbomb>	and magically most of the centers for women are closed down because of a lack of funding
May 02 23:11:29 <BarkingFish>	can you be sure that's bin liner's compound? :)
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May 02 23:14:53 <geniice>	BarkingFish sure check out the pic we already have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Osama_bin_Laden_hideout.jpg
May 02 23:15:06 <geniice>	and google's version http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=34.169167,73.2425&spn=0.001,0.001&t=h&q=34.169167,73.2425
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May 02 23:48:00 <foks>	ah cara mia!
May 02 23:48:05 <foks>	ah cara mia!
May 02 23:48:13 <Fluffernutter>	?
May 02 23:48:22 <foks>	ah, mia bambina!
May 02 23:48:25 *	derp snuggles with foks.
May 02 23:48:43 <foks>	mia bambina! o chiel!
May 02 23:49:06 <foks>	Fucking love portal.
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May 02 23:55:30 <Dragonfly6-7>	hello
May 02 23:55:47 <Zamorak>	Hai.
May 02 23:55:48 <Fluffernutter>	no, i will not fix an article for you
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May 03 00:05:18 *	Logan_ badgers Guerillero.
May 03 00:05:28 <Guerillero>	hehe
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May 03 00:07:24 *	Guerillero watches
May 03 00:07:57 <Fluffernutter>	Guerillero likes to watch
May 03 00:08:03 <Guerillero>	:o
May 03 00:08:23 <Fluffernutter>	heh
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May 03 00:09:03 <Guerillero>	you went there
May 03 00:09:19 <Fluffernutter>	<_<
May 03 00:09:21 <Fluffernutter>	>_>
May 03 00:09:22 <Fluffernutter>	didn't
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May 03 00:17:19 <gde33>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA
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May 03 00:49:45 <killiondude>	#euphemism
May 03 00:50:01 <Fluffernutter>	hee
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May 03 00:50:21 *	Douche huggles Fluffernutter 
May 03 00:51:01 *	Douche huggles derp 
May 03 00:51:02 *	derp huggles Douche
May 03 00:51:04 <Douche>	:D
May 03 00:52:42 *	Fluffernutter snuggles both derp incarnations
May 03 00:52:43 *	derp snuggles both Fluffernutter incarnations
May 03 00:52:47 <KFP>	Socks.
May 03 00:53:16 <Douche>	:p
May 03 00:53:19 <Douche>	quick
May 03 00:53:24 <Douche>	get a checkuser!
May 03 00:54:55 <Demiurge1000>	Incidentally.. What's the quick link to allow someone to confirm that I am not an en.wiki administrator, if I am accused of being one? (For username Demiurge1000) I'm sure I can look this up, but I'm too lazy. Also I resent being accused of it :)
May 03 00:55:37 <matthewrbowker>	Demiurge1000: ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=1&username=Demiurge1000
May 03 00:56:07 <Douche>	that list pwns :)
May 03 00:56:08 <Demiurge1000>	matthewrbowker: Thanks!
May 03 00:56:34 <matthewrbowker>	np :)
May 03 00:56:35 *	Demiurge1000 slinks off to recover from the huge offence caused by such an accusation
May 03 00:56:46 <Demiurge1000>	he called me "half malevolent", too, which is nearly as bad :D
May 03 00:57:00 <Demiurge1000>	(but more poetic)
May 03 00:57:35 <Guerillero>	link?
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May 03 00:58:15 *	Douche gives Fluffernutter some Harfang Des neiges
May 03 00:58:17 <Demiurge1000>	hmm, but what if I give you the link and then you decide that you agree with him that I *am* an administrator and half malevolent? :P
May 03 00:58:35 <Douche>	some wine
May 03 00:58:46 <matthewrbowker>	Demiurge1000: Well, I think that link proves conclusively that you are *not* an administrator.
May 03 00:59:09 <Demiurge1000>	Yeah, but malevolency is more subjective
May 03 00:59:15 <Douche>	some über cheap wine.
May 03 01:00:04 *	Guerillero looks through recent contrbutions
May 03 01:00:51 <Demiurge1000>	Guerillero seeks malevolency, and Guerillero will find it!
May 03 01:01:26 <Demiurge1000>	Yeah actually it's faster you snooping my contributions than me looking for whatever exact diff that was in
May 03 01:01:52 <Avruch>	Join #defense for IRC distribution of food from Arm America!
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May 03 01:01:54 <Guerillero>	:D
May 03 01:02:10 <Demiurge1000>	umm you can give me food over IRC? wow
May 03 01:02:20 <Guerillero>	I've been writing up this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Straight_edge/dumping-ground
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May 03 01:07:56 <Douche>	Awwwww
May 03 01:08:11 <Douche>	my aunt has been evacuated.
May 03 01:08:19 <Logan_>	*evicted?
May 03 01:08:25 <Douche>	Evacuated.
May 03 01:08:28 <Douche>	Rising waters.
May 03 01:08:33 <Logan_>	ah
May 03 01:08:38 <matthewrbowker>	O.O  I hope she's OK.
May 03 01:08:53 <Douche>	she lives lakeshore next to Lake Champlain (large lake shared between USA and Canada)
May 03 01:08:57 <Douche>	She is.
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May 03 01:09:28 <Douche>	I mean the lake level may get worse
May 03 01:09:36 <Douche>	40 mm of rain have been announced.
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May 03 01:14:09 <Douche>	man
May 03 01:14:14 <Douche>	the song on /b/ is annoying
May 03 01:14:15 <Douche>	:P
May 03 01:14:36 <Douche>	It's america fuck yeah
May 03 01:15:15 *	matthewrbowker can't get to 4chan.
May 03 01:16:29 <Douche>	why?
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May 03 01:17:00 <matthewrbowker>	Connection reset while page was loading...
May 03 01:17:09 <Guerillero>	same
May 03 01:17:31 <Guerillero>	Connection closed by remote server
May 03 01:17:31 <Guerillero>	Check that the address is spelled correctly, or try searching for the site.
May 03 01:17:42 <Guerillero>	when geting on 4chan.org
May 03 01:18:11 <Peter-C>	Why are you guys fucking going on 4chan?
May 03 01:18:15 <Logan_>	^
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May 03 01:18:34 <Peter-C>	If you need some shits and giggles use Uncycl.... oh yea...
May 03 01:18:51 <Guerillero>	to see if they are really playing American fuck ya
May 03 01:19:00 <Guerillero>	and remembering ED
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May 03 01:19:16 <Peter-C>	ED?
May 03 01:19:22 <Peter-C>	Emergency Department?
May 03 01:19:23 <Demiurge1000>	It was a horse.
May 03 01:19:24 <Logan_>	Peter-C: Encyclopedia Dramatica
May 03 01:19:51 <Peter-C>	Oh, I confuizzled my nonimportant wikis
May 03 01:19:53 <Peter-C>	Woops
May 03 01:19:54 <Peter-C>	Sorry
May 03 01:19:54 <Demiurge1000>	Logan_: They have a new site up called Oh Internet, now.
May 03 01:20:02 <Logan_>	Demiurge1000: I know.
May 03 01:20:17 <Demiurge1000>	Logan_: Some guy called meepsheep was in here advertising it. Or attacking it. Or something :)
May 03 01:20:24 <Guerillero>	it lacks the lulz
May 03 01:20:30 <Demiurge1000>	It lulz the lackz.
May 03 01:21:31 <Douche>	Know any software to NUKE a hard drive?
May 03 01:21:53 <Guerillero>	I was introduced to anon by a chick at my school
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May 03 01:22:24 <matthewrbowker>	Douche: Just re-install the OS using the original CD.
May 03 01:22:49 <Demiurge1000>	Guerillero: Do you know who she is?
May 03 01:23:03 <Demiurge1000>	Douche: Then install XP and try Eraser
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May 03 01:23:50 <Guerillero>	yes
May 03 01:24:06 <Peter-C>	HILLARY CLINTON IS PRESIDENT!
May 03 01:24:09 *	Peter-C jumps out a window
May 03 01:24:24 <Guerillero>	she sat beside me in physics
May 03 01:24:33 *	Fluffernutter slaps Peter-C
May 03 01:24:36 <Peter-C>	And I'm George Cloony
May 03 01:24:43 <Peter-C>	Oh no, one of my flings
May 03 01:24:49 *	Peter-C ushers Fluffernutter away from the press
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May 03 01:26:08 *	Peter-C mounts the Kingturtle
May 03 01:26:13 <Peter-C>	ONWARD!
May 03 01:26:25 <Fluffernutter>	stop it
May 03 01:26:26 *	derp slaps Peter-C around a bit with a large trout
May 03 01:26:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	derp - is that one of the trout that break human jawbones?
May 03 01:26:43 <Kingturtle>	is there a channel on freenode for openoffice?
May 03 01:26:47 <derp>	Yes. A cement trout.
May 03 01:26:48 <Peter-C>	#openoffice
May 03 01:27:23 <derp>	Kingturtle
May 03 01:27:26 <Peter-C>	#openoffice-en ?
May 03 01:27:27 <derp>	ignore Peter-C's suggestion.
May 03 01:27:28 <Peter-C>	OH
May 03 01:27:33 <derp>	It's #Openoffice.ORG
May 03 01:27:35 <derp>	troll.
May 03 01:27:40 <Peter-C>	#libreoffice
May 03 01:28:08 <derp>	#Openoffice.org is the official one.
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May 03 01:28:27 <Kingturtle>	ty!
May 03 01:28:34 <derp>	np
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May 03 01:36:32 *	Douche is compressing his IRC logs of his old computer.
May 03 01:37:58 <Fluffernutter>	kinky
May 03 01:38:05 <Fluffernutter>	"compressing" "logs"
May 03 01:38:22 <Douche>	and it's done
May 03 01:38:34 <Douche>	transferring almost 800 MB of logs to a USB key takes hours.
May 03 01:38:52 <Krimpet>	Douche, what, are you using USB 1.0?
May 03 01:39:49 <Douche>	Krimpet: no.
May 03 01:39:57 <Douche>	USB 2.0 on my mac
May 03 01:39:59 <Douche>	and hey Krimpet :)
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May 03 01:40:25 <Krimpet>	USB 2.0 can transfer 25-30 MB/s on average.
May 03 01:40:35 <Douche>	yep
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May 03 01:54:56 <Peter-C>	WE GOT HIM!
May 03 01:55:03 *	Peter-C tosses booze all over derp
May 03 01:55:04 *	derp tosses booze all over Peter-C
May 03 01:55:08 *	Peter-C licks Fluffernutter
May 03 01:55:16 <Fluffernutter>	ew
May 03 01:55:22 <Fluffernutter>	gerroff me
May 03 01:55:25 *	Peter-C glomps Dragonfly6-7
May 03 01:55:27 <Peter-C>	WE GOT HIM :D
May 03 01:55:31 <Logan_>	Ark Music Productions has produced another talent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpWfAiz1RC0
May 03 01:55:33 *	Mitchazenia kicks Peter-C in the teeth
May 03 01:55:42 <Peter-C>	WE GOT HIM!
May 03 01:55:45 *	Peter-C glomps Mitchazenia
May 03 01:55:59 <Peter-C>	Logan_ - since when has Justin Bieber has blonde hair?
May 03 01:56:12 <Logan_>	hah
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May 03 01:58:09 *	Peter-C hugs MuZemike
May 03 01:58:11 <Peter-C>	WE DID IT!
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May 03 01:58:16 <Peter-C>	We got him!
May 03 01:58:18 <Peter-C>	:D
May 03 01:58:25 <Fluffernutter>	the hell
May 03 01:58:31 <Peter-C>	We got him!
May 03 01:58:34 <Fluffernutter>	you're like 24 hours behind
May 03 01:58:41 <Peter-C>	No
May 03 01:58:41 <MuZemike>	Where the hell have you been?
May 03 01:58:42 <matthewrbowker>	Peter-C: You are waaaay to excited...
May 03 01:58:46 <Peter-C>	haha
May 03 01:58:58 <Peter-C>	That is what people were chearing through the halls of my school ALL day
May 03 01:59:04 <mindspillage>	Do we get our civil liberties back now? If not, no celebrating from me.
May 03 01:59:15 <Fluffernutter>	^
May 03 01:59:21 <Peter-C>	No, BUT WE GET BOOZE!
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May 03 01:59:27 <Douche>	Who wants cheese?
May 03 01:59:30 <Fluffernutter>	...booze?
May 03 01:59:33 <Douche>	Peter-C: no candy for you.
May 03 01:59:35 *	Peter-C gives MickWithoutGlass and fills it with celebretory booze
May 03 01:59:41 <Peter-C>	*a glass
May 03 02:00:09 <MickWithoutGlass>	You'd be surprised about how I named my account
May 03 02:00:14 <MuZemike>	Price of oil is down by a little bit: http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110502-709298.html
May 03 02:00:24 <Fluffernutter>	are you a mick who doesn't have a glass?
May 03 02:00:34 <MuZemike>	Of course, there's this whole other thing going on in the Middle East.
May 03 02:01:08 <Peter-C>	MickWithoutGlass - What happened? Did I steal your glass?
May 03 02:01:38 <MickWithoutGlass>	My ACTUAL username on Wikipedia is MickWithoutGlasses. It's just too long to use on Webchat
May 03 02:02:08 <MickWithoutGlass>	Anyway,
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May 03 02:02:20 <MickWithoutGlass>	There's a kid at my school named Mick
May 03 02:02:24 <MickWithoutGlass>	He wears glasses
May 03 02:02:28 <MuZemike>	Black Kid's Computer Desk: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/b0c79255-8fb0-4b4e-a2e2-7e00244edd5c.jpg
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May 03 02:03:19 <matthewrbowker>	Hmmm... Did I do this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Script_Frenzy_Logo.png
May 03 02:03:56 <Fluffernutter>	script frenzy?
May 03 02:03:58 <Fluffernutter>	do you nano, too?\
May 03 02:03:58 <Peter-C>	matthewrbowker - Looks good the way it is
May 03 02:04:06 <Peter-C>	(the writing)
May 03 02:04:17 <matthewrbowker>	Fluffernutter: Yes, I do.  :)
May 03 02:04:18 <Peter-C>	BUT, it NEEDS to have alower resolution
May 03 02:04:20 <Fluffernutter>	me too!
May 03 02:04:27 *	Fluffernutter gives matthewrbowker a cookie
May 03 02:04:28 <Peter-C>	nano wrimo?
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May 03 02:04:31 <Peter-C>	Ohyea....
May 03 02:04:37 <Peter-C>	I forgot about that....
May 03 02:04:38 <matthewrbowker>	Fluffernutter: High Five!
May 03 02:04:39 <Douche>	Oh oh ojh
May 03 02:07:21 <Peter-C>	THANKS FOR REMINDING ME Fluffernutter >:(
May 03 02:07:21 <Douche>	election offices are now closed.
May 03 02:07:21 <matthewrbowker>	Peter-C: Thanks :)
May 03 02:07:21 <Fluffernutter>	of what?
May 03 02:07:21 <Douche>	Canada.
May 03 02:07:21 <Peter-C>	NANO WRIMO
May 03 02:07:21 <Peter-C>	You forgot to remind me D:
May 03 02:07:21 <Fluffernutter>	er, it's 6 months away
May 03 02:07:22 <MuZemike>	Come to Chicago someday. They let you vote, even if you're dead.
May 03 02:07:22 <Krimpet>	I was in Canada this weekend. It was funny seeing yard signs all over for candidates and parties I'd never heard of.
May 03 02:07:22 <Peter-C>	You forgot to remind me 6 months ago :P
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May 03 02:07:22 <Fluffernutter>	i do my best to fail you in all ways possible
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May 03 02:07:37 *	Peter-C boycotts Fluffernutter
May 03 02:08:03 <Fluffernutter>	most of the boys do, yes
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May 03 02:09:30 <geniice>	wait what would that even mean
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May 03 02:11:33 <Fluffernutter>	i was aiming for something along the lines of "i can't get a date to save my life"
May 03 02:11:37 <Fluffernutter>	but i'm open to other interpretatoins
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May 03 02:20:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's election night
May 03 02:20:18 <Dragonfly6-7>	and I have to change the catbox
May 03 02:20:21 <Dragonfly6-7>	how symbolic
May 03 02:21:02 <Pilif12p>	tomorrow is election night for us...
May 03 02:22:11 <Dragonfly6-7>	where are you
May 03 02:22:23 *	Fluffernutter elects no one
May 03 02:22:43 <Pilif12p>	IA, it's a LOST vost
May 03 02:22:45 <Pilif12p>	vote'
May 03 02:23:03 <Dragonfly6-7>	I don't understand
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May 03 02:30:23 <Sceptre>	oh god
May 03 02:30:31 <Guerillero>	???
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May 03 02:30:37 <matthewrbowker>	???
May 03 02:30:45 <Sceptre>	Obama could be the fucking second coming of Christ and Republicans would hate him
May 03 02:30:50 <Peter-C>	profit!
May 03 02:30:56 <Guerillero>	true
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May 03 02:31:02 <Sceptre>	"If [Obama] was a shoo-in for reelection, Osama bin Laden would still be alive today. There would have been no need to undertake the mission."
May 03 02:31:08 <Sceptre>	our old friend Rush
May 03 02:31:17 <Guerillero>	he is a fuck
May 03 02:31:20 <Peter-C>	HEY
May 03 02:31:20 <Peter-C>	YOU
May 03 02:31:25 <Peter-C>	GET A BLOG OR HTFO
May 03 02:31:28 <Peter-C>	*GTFO
May 03 02:31:30 <Peter-C>	:D
May 03 02:31:39 *	Peter-C frolics with Fluffernutter
May 03 02:31:41 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 03 02:31:43 <Fluffernutter>	the hell
May 03 02:31:44 <Fluffernutter>	get off me
May 03 02:32:04 <Peter-C>	I would frolic with IH but he is prepping in your bedroom :/
May 03 02:32:13 <mindspillage>	Peter-C: first the booze, then the illicit relations... stop trying to conduct illegal activites on IRC. :-P
May 03 02:32:29 <Fluffernutter>	IH is gone
May 03 02:32:35 <Fluffernutter>	his flight takes off in an hour
May 03 02:32:40 <KFP>	mindspillage: Booze is illegal? :?
May 03 02:32:48 <Fluffernutter>	it is for 15 year olds, KFP
May 03 02:32:51 <mindspillage>	KFP: if you're not of age...
May 03 02:33:00 <KFP>	Oh I see.
May 03 02:33:04 <Sceptre>	also http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/901/we-will-kill-bin-laden/
May 03 02:34:08 <Guerillero>	:)
May 03 02:34:24 <Sceptre>	so, Matt and Trey have, what, 72 hours?
May 03 02:34:27 <Peter-C>	What happens if I delete C:?
May 03 02:34:30 <Sceptre>	they've done it before
May 03 02:34:43 <Fluffernutter>	Peter-C: do it, i dare you
May 03 02:35:14 <Peter-C>	Nu
May 03 02:35:20 *	Guerillero snickers
May 03 02:35:27 <Sceptre>	Peter-C: format c:, then echo j
May 03 02:36:13 <Peter-C>	I will fsk you >:(
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May 03 02:36:45 <Fluffernutter>	zomg
May 03 02:36:48 *	Fluffernutter throws herself upon la_pianista
May 03 02:37:05 <Peter-C>	MINE
May 03 02:37:07 *	Peter-C punts Fluffernutter
May 03 02:37:14 *	Peter-C glomps the la_pianista
May 03 02:37:19 <Fluffernutter>	bitchplz
May 03 02:37:21 <Peter-C>	ALL MINE
May 03 02:37:22 <Fluffernutter>	don't make me hurt you
May 03 02:37:22 <Fluffernutter>	she's mine
May 03 02:37:28 *	Peter-C kidnaps la_pianista
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May 03 02:37:30 <Peter-C>	WE GOT HIM!
May 03 02:37:31 <Peter-C>	WOOOOOO
May 03 02:37:33 <Peter-C>	WE GOT HIM!
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May 03 02:37:43 *	Irish_Eddy sneaks in and takes her away...
May 03 02:38:06 <derp>	Who wants a irish coffee?
May 03 02:38:14 <Fluffernutter>	i want la_pianista
May 03 02:38:27 *	derp snuggles with la_pianista.
May 03 02:38:37 *	Guerillero wishes he could -v peter for then next few minutes
May 03 02:38:41 <Fluffernutter>	srs
May 03 02:38:46 *	Fluffernutter is in A Mood
May 03 02:38:49 *	derp seconds Guerillero.
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May 03 02:39:09 <Guerillero>	sorry derp i'm straight edge
May 03 02:39:22 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 03 02:39:25 <derp>	[21:38] * Guerillero wishes he could -v peter for then next few minutes
May 03 02:39:28 <derp>	i agree :P
May 03 02:39:35 <matthewrbowker>	Guerillero, Peter-C: Just remember: Silence is golden, Gaffers tape is black.
May 03 02:40:15 *	Fluffernutter needs another drinkl
May 03 02:40:16 <Fluffernutter>	-l
May 03 02:40:22 <Guerillero>	my straight edge comment was @ derp's offer for irish coffee
May 03 02:40:56 <Fluffernutter>	ah, that makes more sense
May 03 02:41:04 <Fluffernutter>	i was trying to figure out how Peter-C fit into your abstention
May 03 02:41:06 <Irish_Eddy>	you prefer a cup of coffee and the a glass of whiskey
May 03 02:42:21 *	la_pianista snuggles Fluffernutter, bitchslaps Peter-C, and huggles derp
May 03 02:42:36 <Fluffernutter>	yay
May 03 02:42:46 <Fluffernutter>	la_pianista i feel like i haven;t talked to you in forever
May 03 02:42:53 <Fluffernutter>	i need a gigantic musical-genius hug
May 03 02:43:30 <la_pianista>	zomg
May 03 02:43:41 *	la_pianista gigantic musical genius hugs Fluffernutter...per custom, yes?
May 03 02:43:58 <Fluffernutter>	:D
May 03 02:43:59 *	Irish_Eddy brings in [[Björn Ulvaeus]]
May 03 02:44:05 <Fluffernutter>	luff
May 03 02:44:17 <Irish_Eddy>	oops, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_Ulvaeus
May 03 02:45:17 <Guerillero>	is this enough sources for an article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guerillero/Straight_edge_tattoos ?
May 03 02:45:23 <Irish_Eddy>	sorry, guys, that I disrupteded your games
May 03 02:45:42 <Fluffernutter>	meh, single author is a bit iffy, Guerillero
May 03 02:45:43 <Irish_Eddy>	Was pissed off at the Dutch IRC
May 03 02:46:02 <Fluffernutter>	and you're lacking any assertion of importance
May 03 02:46:03 <Guerillero>	thats what I thought
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May 03 02:46:11 <matthewrbowker>	Irish_Eddy: Don't worry about it, you're welcome here anytime.
May 03 02:46:39 <Guerillero>	I never got the assertion of importance thing
May 03 02:46:45 <Irish_Eddy>	If you guys don't mind my English...
May 03 02:46:48 <Guerillero>	only a ton of sources
May 03 02:46:54 <Guerillero>	its fine
May 03 02:47:22 <Demiurge1000>	Irish_Eddy: There's a Dutch IRC? en.IRC is better!
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May 03 02:47:40 <matthewrbowker>	Irish_Eddy: Honestly, I never noticed anything out of the ordinary.  You don't speak English bad at all :)
May 03 02:48:02 <Fluffernutter>	Guerillero, well, it's a box you need to tick to pass the CSD gauntlet
May 03 02:48:15 <Irish_Eddy>	Speaking is one thing, writing something else. And you don't here my accent :-)
May 03 02:48:50 <Guerillero>	This passed DYK without it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bent_edge
May 03 02:48:53 <Fluffernutter>	Irish_Eddy, your english sounds (reads) fine to me too, and I'm picky about that stuff!
May 03 02:49:06 <Irish_Eddy>	I have learned only the Queen's English at secondary school. Quite useless in Ireland.
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May 03 02:49:49 <Irish_Eddy>	Got a heap of corrections on this: http://eddysstories.blogspot.com/
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May 03 02:50:31 <Irish_Eddy>	Oops, spamming. :-)
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May 03 02:53:20 <geniice>	whoo hoo
May 03 02:53:22 <geniice>	http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden
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May 03 02:53:50 <geniice>	http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Osama_bin_Laden 4.8 million
May 03 02:54:31 <derp>	I'm out
May 03 02:54:41 <derp>	<3
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May 03 02:54:53 <Dragonfly6-7>	geniice - look at the hits in the past few *weeks*
May 03 02:54:56 <Dragonfly6-7>	people were looking for it earlier
May 03 02:55:54 <Peter-C>	https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/224626_1994466978830_1158097387_2392346_1629998_n.jpg xD
May 03 02:56:34 <quanticle>	Dragonfly6-7: The link looks at the stats from 2011-05-01
May 03 02:56:58 <Dragonfly6-7>	quanticle - yes, I know.
May 03 02:57:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	quanticle - look carefully at the preceding weeks
May 03 02:57:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	people were looking for the article several days before it existed
May 03 02:57:40 <geniice>	single hits? could be bots or something
May 03 02:58:02 <geniice>	see for example http://stats.grok.se/en/201102/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden
May 03 02:59:33 <Peter-C>	la_pianista - We got him :D
May 03 02:59:38 <la_pianista>	yep.
May 03 02:59:40 <Peter-C>	:D
May 03 02:59:52 <Peter-C>	What are the gun nuts in Texas doing?
May 03 03:00:05 <Peter-C>	Are they celebrating
May 03 03:00:15 <geniice>	hmmm islamicawakening forum is still down
May 03 03:00:33 <Peter-C>	geniice - what is it about?
May 03 03:00:49 <Peter-C>	Pro or anti radicals?
May 03 03:00:53 <OlEnglish>	oi
May 03 03:00:56 <geniice>	somewhat radical
May 03 03:01:10 <quanticle>	Peter-C: I prefer this one: http://yfrog.com/h0mix6j
May 03 03:01:30 <Peter-C>	haha
May 03 03:01:32 <OlEnglish>	NDP in the opposition! good news
May 03 03:01:35 <geniice>	I suspect whoever runs the forum decided that the pro bin laden thread was making them look bad
May 03 03:02:28 <geniice>	oh Canadian elections
May 03 03:03:37 <Peter-C>	They have elections in CanadA?
May 03 03:03:54 <Dragonfly6-7>	Peter-C - don't be a dipshit.
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May 03 03:03:57 <Brian_S>	Well, obviously.
May 03 03:04:00 <Fluffernutter>	yeah, they all participate in a moose race and whoever's toque is the last to fly off wins
May 03 03:04:12 <quanticle>	OlEnglish: So, does this mean that Harper is still leading a minority government?
May 03 03:04:15 <Peter-C>	Fluffernutter made the most sense
May 03 03:04:32 <OlEnglish>	don't know yet, they might form a majority
May 03 03:04:37 <quanticle>	:(
May 03 03:04:47 <quanticle>	American, but not a fan of Harper, regardless
May 03 03:04:49 <Peter-C>	Dragonfly6-7 - I say that for a reason, why has no one talked about it (in the US) in the past week?
May 03 03:04:56 <OlEnglish>	ya me neither
May 03 03:05:36 <quanticle>	Peter-C: Its not a regular vote. Stephen Harper called snap elections to try to get into a majority government after a bunch of his allies bolted in Parliament.
May 03 03:06:03 <Dragonfly6-7>	Peter-C - because American media is stupid and easily led
May 03 03:06:38 <Peter-C>	quanticle - How is a vote called? just byt he PM?
May 03 03:06:47 <Peter-C>	Dragonfly6-7 - I don't know what your talking aboot
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May 03 03:08:08 <OlEnglish>	Dragonfly6-7: sorry i missed your message earlier
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May 03 03:08:48 <quanticle>	Peter-C: I'm no Canadian, but, as I understand it, the Prime Minister can appeal to the Governor General (?) to exercise his ability to dissolve the government and call new elections.
May 03 03:08:52 <Fluffernutter>	Dragonfly6-7, how long until results are in?
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May 03 03:10:35 <quanticle>	Peter-C: "Once sworn in by the viceroy, the prime minister holds office until he resigns or is removed by the governor general, after either a motion of non confidence or his party's defeat in a general election." <-- I think it was motion of no confidence in this case.
May 03 03:10:38 <Peter-C>	I think my "aboot" comment scared him away
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May 03 03:10:55 <Peter-C>	quanticle - seems a bit lopsided :/
May 03 03:11:00 <Fluffernutter>	Peter-C, do i need to smite you?
May 03 03:11:04 <Peter-C>	Yes
May 03 03:11:06 <Peter-C>	Yes you do
May 03 03:11:16 *	Fluffernutter smites with prejudice
May 03 03:11:25 <quanticle>	Hawt :P
May 03 03:11:26 <derp>	Headbomb
May 03 03:11:27 <derp>	big news
May 03 03:11:33 <Headbomb|Laptop>	136 / 84 / 29 / 7
May 03 03:11:36 <Headbomb|Laptop>	i know
May 03 03:11:38 <derp>	Josée Verner (big-ass conservative for Québec)
May 03 03:11:40 <quanticle>	derp: Elections in canada?
May 03 03:11:41 <derp>	city
May 03 03:11:42 <Peter-C>	quanticle - it seems bad that a person can stay in as long as they want if no one opposes them
May 03 03:11:43 <derp>	yep
May 03 03:11:48 <derp>	might lose her ass to NDP
May 03 03:11:48 <Headbomb|Laptop>	135 / 87 / 29 / 6
May 03 03:11:49 <derp>	:D
May 03 03:12:04 <Peter-C>	and it seems bad if everyone hates everyone than the president will be switched yearly
May 03 03:12:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	Peter-C - a government can run for a maximum of 5 years
May 03 03:12:09 <Peter-C>	which would be bad for the government
May 03 03:12:14 <Peter-C>	Oh, ok
May 03 03:12:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	then it has to hold an election
May 03 03:12:23 <derp>	Dragonfly6-7, i can't wait to kick Charest out
May 03 03:12:24 <derp>	:D
May 03 03:12:26 <Peter-C>	That makes sense
May 03 03:12:27 <quanticle>	Peter-C: Yeah, well, that is a risk, (c.f. Italy, Greece, India, etc.)
May 03 03:12:39 <Headbomb|Laptop>	138 / 87 / 29 / 6
May 03 03:12:48 <quanticle>	All parliamentary democracies with a history of instability in Governments.
May 03 03:12:52 <quanticle>	Japan too.
May 03 03:12:55 <Peter-C>	Dragonfly6-7 - quanticle did not mention that, is there a minimum term though?
May 03 03:12:58 <Headbomb|Laptop>	i just don't want to see 155 for the fucktards
May 03 03:13:12 <Headbomb|Laptop>	as long as it stays under 155, i'm happy
May 03 03:13:14 <OlEnglish>	i thought it was 4 years?
May 03 03:13:22 <Peter-C>	That's the US :P
May 03 03:13:27 *	Fluffernutter has doritos
May 03 03:13:35 *	Peter-C has porn
May 03 03:13:36 <OlEnglish>	no no, there was some new bill passed in 2009
May 03 03:13:37 <quanticle>	I don't think there's a minimum term for Canada. There certainly isn't for most parliamentary systems.
May 03 03:13:51 <Headbomb|Laptop>	OlEnglish, 4 years is traditionally when things are stable
May 03 03:13:52 <OlEnglish>	but that was provincial i think
May 03 03:14:01 <Headbomb|Laptop>	which they aren't
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May 03 03:14:08 <Headbomb|Laptop>	so we get 7 elections in 4 years
May 03 03:14:15 <Fluffernutter>	Peter-C, ew
May 03 03:14:18 <Headbomb|Laptop>	sorry, 4 elections in 7 years
May 03 03:14:20 <derp>	quanticle, Harper tried to make fixed date elections.
May 03 03:14:31 <quanticle>	derp: Like here in the US?
May 03 03:14:37 <Headbomb|Laptop>	there was a fixed date elections law that passed by harper, but he violated it
May 03 03:14:44 <derp>	bingo
May 03 03:14:44 <derp>	:D
May 03 03:15:13 <quanticle>	Wait, he violated his own law, Headbomb? How does that work?
May 03 03:15:26 <derp>	:o
May 03 03:15:30 <derp>	BIG NEWS!
May 03 03:15:33 <OlEnglish>	i'm happy for jack layton
May 03 03:15:38 <Headbomb|Laptop>	quanticle: welcome to the harper goverment!
May 03 03:15:38 <derp>	this county may lose its Bloc fort!
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May 03 03:15:49 <Headbomb|Laptop>	laws are mere inconveniences at best
May 03 03:15:54 <derp>	Verchères - Les Patriotes has been a bloc stronghold for 18 years.
May 03 03:15:58 <derp>	It may END tonight
May 03 03:16:06 <quanticle>	Headbomb|Laptop: Harper sounds like a milder version of GWB, then.
May 03 03:16:11 <derp>	Conservatives are up to 8%
May 03 03:16:12 <Headbomb|Laptop>	quanticle: yup
May 03 03:16:15 <Headbomb|Laptop>	he really is
May 03 03:16:23 <derp>	NDP is 48.3
May 03 03:16:30 <derp>	Bloc is 35.6
May 03 03:16:33 *	Fluffernutter sighs. I am trying to follow my toronto-ian friend on another server, and you guys here, and I am now officially confused about who is voting for what
May 03 03:16:56 <quanticle>	Except, that, given the structure of the government of Canada, it should be easier to hold him accountable for any transgressions, given that he's part of the legislative branch, rather than the executive.
May 03 03:17:20 <Headbomb|Laptop>	LOL DUCEPPE TRAILING
May 03 03:17:42 <derp>	LOL
May 03 03:17:46 <derp>	RT¸
May 03 03:17:51 <derp>	Right in its own county
May 03 03:17:52 <derp>	:D
May 03 03:18:30 <derp>	Oh lord
May 03 03:18:32 <derp>	the Liberals here
May 03 03:18:35 <derp>	6.3
May 03 03:18:35 <quanticle>	Duceppe? Is that the Bloc Quebecois leader?
May 03 03:18:41 <Headbomb|Laptop>	145, shit
May 03 03:18:43 <derp>	bingo.
May 03 03:18:46 <derp>	Conservative: 8
May 03 03:18:49 <derp>	Oh
May 03 03:18:50 <derp>	vert
May 03 03:18:53 <derp>	1.7
May 03 03:18:56 <derp>	Bloc
May 03 03:18:59 <derp>	35.8
May 03 03:19:00 <Headbomb|Laptop>	duceppe is the bloc yeah
May 03 03:19:05 <derp>	NDP: 48.3
May 03 03:19:07 <Headbomb|Laptop>	http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/
May 03 03:19:16 <Fluffernutter>	so wait
May 03 03:19:29 <Fluffernutter>	derp = quebecois, but Headbomb != quebecois, yes?>
May 03 03:19:45 <quanticle>	CBC, at this point, is projecting a win for the Tories.
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May 03 03:20:03 <quanticle>	Is that a good thing? I thought the Tories was Harper's party?
May 03 03:20:14 <derp>	Fluffernutter, Headbomb is a new brunswickan.
May 03 03:20:18 <derp>	quanticle, tories = harper.
May 03 03:20:31 *	Fluffernutter sighs, shakes head, consumes more alcohol
May 03 03:20:34 <derp>	OMG
May 03 03:20:36 <derp>	ORANGE REVOLUTION!
May 03 03:20:45 <quanticle>	So Tories winning = not good.
May 03 03:20:51 <Headbomb|Laptop>	I'm Newe Brunswick
May 03 03:20:56 <Headbomb|Laptop>	145/93/32/4
May 03 03:21:05 <Headbomb|Laptop>	Tories winning = horrible beyond imagination
May 03 03:21:16 <Guerillero>	quanticle: if your not a torry :P
May 03 03:21:28 <quanticle>	Holy crap. Tories are up by 10%.
May 03 03:21:28 <Peter-C>	Erm
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May 03 03:21:36 <Peter-C>	GO USA!
May 03 03:21:40 <OlEnglish>	i know! it's awesome, i'm so happy for the ndp
May 03 03:21:48 <derp>	OlEnglish
May 03 03:21:52 <derp>	take a look at Québec
May 03 03:21:54 <Peter-C>	I say that everyone votes for the USA to rule Canada :D
May 03 03:21:57 <OlEnglish>	i know i know
May 03 03:22:03 *	Fluffernutter smothers Peter-C
May 03 03:22:15 <Demiurge1000>	Peter-C: They tried that in 1812, it was a total failure
May 03 03:22:15 <Peter-C>	I'm not into this stuff
May 03 03:22:17 <quanticle>	But wait, this is a parliamentary system. So a 10% deficit can be be overcome if NDP and the libs team up, right?
May 03 03:22:18 <Fluffernutter>	gah i am makingg a mess
May 03 03:22:22 <Peter-C>	I'm not Ironholds
May 03 03:22:26 <Fluffernutter>	?
May 03 03:22:36 <Headbomb|Laptop>	quanticle: it depends on seats
May 03 03:22:37 <Dragonfly6-7>	quanticle - ytes, coalitions
May 03 03:22:40 <OlEnglish>	they wont team up
May 03 03:22:41 <derp>	Muclair is relaxed.
May 03 03:22:43 <Guerillero>	Does Bloc Québécois get many seats
May 03 03:22:43 <derp>	He is leading.
May 03 03:22:44 <Headbomb|Laptop>	we have a stupid first past the post system
May 03 03:22:48 <Peter-C>	[22:22:16] * Fluffernutter smothers Peter-C - Sexual harrasment
May 03 03:22:50 <derp>	:p
May 03 03:22:51 <derp>	:o
May 03 03:22:51 <Peter-C>	:|
May 03 03:22:53 <quanticle>	OlEnglish: They won't?
May 03 03:22:54 <derp>	Larry smith
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May 03 03:22:57 <derp>	is leading
May 03 03:22:58 <OlEnglish>	i doubt it
May 03 03:23:02 *	Peter-C hides behind derp and his muscular arms
May 03 03:23:02 <derp>	Lac Saint-Louis
May 03 03:23:06 <derp>	sourthern tip of MTL
May 03 03:23:15 <derp>	only 1¤
May 03 03:23:19 <derp>	1%
May 03 03:23:46 <Guerillero>	Yukon went liberal
May 03 03:23:48 <quanticle>	Headbomb|Laptop: Yeah, well, it can't be worse than our Electoral College. At least your system pretends to do proportional representation.
May 03 03:23:50 <derp>	larry Smith = former president of Montreal Alouettes
May 03 03:24:16 <Guerillero>	after 10 votes
May 03 03:24:26 <Guerillero>	why do they change the colour like that
May 03 03:25:05 <Peter-C>	derp = sex addict
May 03 03:25:17 <Headbomb|Laptop>	Guerillero: last time they got 49 out of 308
May 03 03:25:18 <Headbomb|Laptop>	with roughly 10% of the national vote
May 03 03:25:35 <Headbomb|Laptop>	quanticle: it doesn't no
May 03 03:25:43 <Headbomb|Laptop>	it's first past the post
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May 03 03:26:12 <Fluffernutter>	Headbomb: how long until you guys fight to the death over AV?
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May 03 03:26:13 <Guerillero>	WTF is western artic
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May 03 03:26:23 <derp>	1% in my riding.
May 03 03:26:33 <quanticle>	Guerillero: Its what's left of the Northwest Territory after they split off Nuvanut.
May 03 03:26:35 *	Fluffernutter stares
May 03 03:26:39 <Fluffernutter>	i am too drunk for this
May 03 03:26:46 <Fluffernutter>	i need the idiot explanation
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May 03 03:27:06 <Headbomb|Laptop>	noooooooooooooo 152.....
May 03 03:27:15 <Peter-C>	What Does Marsellus Wallace Look Like
May 03 03:27:15 <derp>	noooooooo
May 03 03:27:16 <Peter-C>	?
May 03 03:27:18 *	Fluffernutter looks helplessly at Headbomb|Laptop
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May 03 03:27:35 <derp>	Headbomb|Laptop, i want the NDP to be official opposition to fear Harper
May 03 03:27:35 <derp>	:P
May 03 03:27:39 <quanticle>	Peter-C: A bitch?
May 03 03:27:41 <quanticle>	??
May 03 03:27:43 <Headbomb|Laptop>	meaning you could get 100% of the seats with 40% of the vote
May 03 03:27:50 <Headbomb|Laptop>	154.....
May 03 03:27:52 <Headbomb|Laptop>	:((((
May 03 03:27:58 <Fluffernutter>	whut
May 03 03:28:00 <Headbomb|Laptop>	derp it will mean shit if Harper gets a majority
May 03 03:28:02 <Fluffernutter>	ow, my brain
May 03 03:28:04 <derp>	Yes
May 03 03:28:06 <derp>	truly
May 03 03:28:23 <Peter-C>	quanticle >:(
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May 03 03:28:31 <Headbomb|Laptop>	152,,, good go down
May 03 03:28:42 <Peter-C>	He don't like to be fucked by anyone except Mrs. Wallace
May 03 03:29:24 <Headbomb|Laptop>	and if Harper doesn't get his majority, most likely we will have an NDP minority
May 03 03:29:32 <derp>	yep
May 03 03:29:34 <quanticle>	Headbomb|Laptop: Oh. So its more similar to our system here in the states than I though. The only difference seems to be that, in Canada, there is no distinction between electoral seats and congressional seats. Makes sense, because you don't have an electoral college.
May 03 03:29:39 <OlEnglish>	hehe
May 03 03:29:41 <quanticle>	*thought
May 03 03:29:50 <derp>	quanticle, add a non-elected senate.
May 03 03:29:51 <Headbomb|Laptop>	not really
May 03 03:29:54 <KFP>	Peter-C: Say "what" one more time!
May 03 03:30:01 <Headbomb|Laptop>	you vote for candidates directly, but it's a first past the post system
May 03 03:30:23 <Headbomb|Laptop>	so however gets the most vote wins, even if they do not have a majority of support
May 03 03:30:51 *	derp is now known as _
May 03 03:30:51 <quanticle>	Headbomb|Laptop: Wait, wha? You vote for PM directly?
May 03 03:30:56 <Headbomb|Laptop>	150
May 03 03:31:01 <Headbomb|Laptop>	you vote for MP directly
May 03 03:31:01 *	_ is now known as Douche
May 03 03:31:11 <Headbomb|Laptop>	PM is picked by the parliament
May 03 03:31:11 <quanticle>	Oh. Okay, just like in Britain.
May 03 03:31:12 <Peter-C>	What?
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May 03 03:31:21 <KFP>	>_>
May 03 03:31:22 <Fluffernutter>	what's ndp?
May 03 03:31:25 <quanticle>	*BANG*
May 03 03:31:26 <Headbomb|Laptop>	but it traditionnaly the leader of the party with the most seats
May 03 03:31:33 *	quanticle shoots Peter-C's knee
May 03 03:31:46 <Peter-C>	WHAAAAAAA
May 03 03:31:52 *	Fluffernutter gives quanticle a cookie
May 03 03:31:52 <Douche>	new democratic party
May 03 03:31:55 <Douche>	center left.
May 03 03:31:58 <Headbomb|Laptop>	Left
May 03 03:31:59 <Peter-C>	(it was the shoulder)
May 03 03:32:00 <Fluffernutter>	Peter-C you weren;'t even alive for that stfy
May 03 03:32:08 <Guerillero>	the NDP is leading in the most districts
May 03 03:32:09 *	Fluffernutter types good
May 03 03:32:11 <quanticle>	Peter-C: What ain't no country I've ever heard of. Do the speak English in What?
May 03 03:32:17 <Headbomb|Laptop>	154 again....
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May 03 03:32:25 <quanticle>	>:(
May 03 03:32:36 <Peter-C>	WHAT!
May 03 03:32:41 <Fluffernutter>	i love you all, in a drunken sort of confused way
May 03 03:32:42 <Douche>	brb, need to reboot
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May 03 03:32:45 <quanticle>	Why is the seat count fluctuating so? Is it still early in the tallying?
May 03 03:32:55 <Headbomb|Laptop>	quanticle: yes
May 03 03:33:03 <quanticle>	Peter-C: ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER, Do you speak it?!
May 03 03:33:17 <quanticle>	Oh god.
May 03 03:33:20 <quanticle>	Samuel L. Jackson.
May 03 03:33:34 <quanticle>	Too cool.
May 03 03:34:02 <Fluffernutter>	..
May 03 03:34:07 <Fluffernutter>	ow my brain
May 03 03:34:29 <quanticle>	Fluffernutter: How drunk are you, right now?
May 03 03:34:34 <Fluffernutter>	quite
May 03 03:34:53 <Fluffernutter>	enough that i am sharing things i shouldn't share
May 03 03:34:55 <matthewrbowker>	Fluffernutter: I hope you're not editing right now :P
May 03 03:35:04 <quanticle>	Haha. Drunk enough for Ironholds to take advantage of you? :P
May 03 03:35:05 <OlEnglish>	155
May 03 03:35:14 <quanticle>	>:[
May 03 03:35:53 *	Fluffernutter is not editing, no
May 03 03:36:22 <Fluffernutter>	and ironholds is gone
May 03 03:36:22 <Fluffernutter>	thus, my drunk
May 03 03:36:22 <matthewrbowker>	Good :)
May 03 03:36:22 <matthewrbowker>	(about not editing)
May 03 03:36:23 <Headbomb|Laptop>	155
May 03 03:36:23 <Headbomb|Laptop>	shit
May 03 03:36:23 <Headbomb|Laptop>	shit shit shit shit shit shit
May 03 03:36:44 <Fluffernutter>	?
May 03 03:36:45 <quanticle>	What's the significance of 155?
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May 03 03:36:58 <quanticle>	Is that the number of seats required to form a majority?
May 03 03:37:43 <Headbomb|Laptop>	yes
May 03 03:37:43 <Headbomb|Laptop>	156 now
May 03 03:38:08 <Headbomb|Laptop>	goddamned fuck, this country has just signed its own death warrant
May 03 03:38:51 <MuZemike>	Let us know when you wish to defect to the U.S.
May 03 03:39:05 <OlEnglish>	hehe
May 03 03:39:15 <Fluffernutter>	wait, who won
May 03 03:39:17 <OlEnglish>	we need a black prime minister
May 03 03:39:18 <Irish_Eddy>	*grin*
May 03 03:39:20 <Fluffernutter>	so confused help
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May 03 03:39:45 <OlEnglish>	consrvatives will form a majority government, with ndp the official opposition
May 03 03:39:49 <Irish_Eddy>	Who want to defect to the US where El Quaida will run amok soon?
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May 03 03:39:56 <Peter-C>	Wow, Full Metal Jacket is soooooo outdated
May 03 03:40:08 <OlEnglish>	liberals and bloc are blah, greens are not even on the map
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May 03 03:40:48 <OlEnglish>	and the marijuana party got a single vote
May 03 03:40:48 <Irish_Eddy>	Do I hear a wish for Communists and Socialists? :-)
May 03 03:41:06 <Logan_>	OlEnglish: Do you think that http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Childhood,_education_and_personal_life_of_Osama_bin_Laden&action=history should be semi-protected?
May 03 03:41:40 <quanticle>	Tories win? >:[
May 03 03:41:41 *	Fluffernutter worries
May 03 03:41:48 <OlEnglish>	oh.. sorry logan, i'm not paying attention to the wiki at the moment.. kinda involved in the election
May 03 03:41:59 <Logan_>	Ah, okay.
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May 03 03:42:08 <quanticle>	Fluffernutter: You shouldn't. Its not like Canada will be invading the US at any point in the near future.
May 03 03:42:22 <quanticle>	South Park movie aside...
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May 03 03:42:29 <Fluffernutter>	aw, what's the fun if they don't invade
May 03 03:42:36 <matthewrbowker>	quanticle: Well, the US did invade Canada about 5 times.
May 03 03:42:44 <MuZemike>	What is all this arguing aboot?
May 03 03:42:48 <quanticle>	5 times?
May 03 03:42:52 <Headbomb|Laptop>	seems like a tory majority yeah
May 03 03:42:53 *	Fluffernutter argues with MuZemike
May 03 03:42:57 <Headbomb|Laptop>	goddamned fucking shit fuck
May 03 03:42:57 <quanticle>	I know the war of 1812.
May 03 03:43:02 <quanticle>	What about the other 4
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May 03 03:43:47 <Fluffernutter>	ow my bran
May 03 03:43:50 <Fluffernutter>	+i
May 03 03:43:50 <matthewrbowker>	Hmmm... I don't know.  That's just what my history teacher says.
May 03 03:44:05 <matthewrbowker>	Fluffernutter: Go to bed... It'll help :)
May 03 03:44:12 <Fluffernutter>	can't
May 03 03:44:16 <Fluffernutter>	too busy worrying
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May 03 03:45:57 <Headbomb|Laptop>	Canada is so fucked...
May 03 03:46:06 <Fluffernutter>	why, who got elected?
May 03 03:46:43 <Headbomb|Laptop>	looks like a conservative majority
May 03 03:46:46 <MuZemike>	I see your political pendulum finally swung the other way.
May 03 03:47:00 <Fluffernutter>	swing swang swung
May 03 03:47:05 <Fluffernutter>	swang?
May 03 03:47:07 <Headbomb|Laptop>	MuZemike an artefact of the elecoral system more than a representation of where the country stands
May 03 03:47:14 <Headbomb|Laptop>	electoral
May 03 03:47:16 <geniice>	hmm I'd completely forgotten about Danese Cooper before today's signphost
May 03 03:47:18 <Fluffernutter>	*artifacr
May 03 03:47:23 <Fluffernutter>	*artifact
May 03 03:47:47 <quanticle>	Headbomb|Laptop: Like George W. Bush's win in 2000?
May 03 03:47:49 *	Fluffernutter has an english
May 03 03:48:02 <Headbomb|Laptop>	not quite, but a bit similar
May 03 03:48:26 <Headbomb|Laptop>	bush in 2000 was elected because of political judges
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May 03 03:48:29 <MuZemike>	It's basic sociology, folks. When one side becomes too dominant, the other side tends to make a big run.
May 03 03:48:50 *	Fluffernutter blinks owlishly
May 03 03:48:52 <Headbomb|Laptop>	MuZemike: not really, this is the result of a divided left
May 03 03:48:56 <Headbomb|Laptop>	more than a swing
May 03 03:49:06 <quanticle>	Headbomb|Laptop: Yeah, but the only reason the judges had any say at all was because our electoral system gave disproportionate voice to smaller states.
May 03 03:49:25 <Headbomb|Laptop>	quanticle: bush still lost the popular vote in 2000
May 03 03:49:41 <Headbomb|Laptop>	and Gore won Florida
May 03 03:50:25 <quanticle>	Headbomb|Laptop: So did Harper win the popular vote in Canada?
May 03 03:50:30 <Headbomb|Laptop>	no
May 03 03:50:35 <Headbomb|Laptop>	he's got ~40%
May 03 03:50:38 <Fluffernutter>	who won?
May 03 03:50:44 <Headbomb|Laptop>	Harper will
May 03 03:50:55 <Fluffernutter>	and dpes that mean they get to be in charge?
May 03 03:51:54 <Headbomb>	he'll have a majority of seats, so yes
May 03 03:53:31 <Headbomb>	which is why it was important that he did not get it
May 03 03:53:44 <quanticle>	But he got it, didn't he?
May 03 03:53:44 <Fluffernutter>	wait, so this was all about voting out harper
May 03 03:53:51 <Fluffernutter>	and you...voted in harper>
May 03 03:53:52 <quanticle>	Fluffernutter: Yeah.
May 03 03:53:53 <OlEnglish>	wow, the greens won a seat
May 03 03:53:59 <Fluffernutter>	dammit, canada
May 03 03:53:59 <OlEnglish>	elizabeth may
May 03 03:54:00 <Headbomb>	yes
May 03 03:54:16 <OlEnglish>	saanich
May 03 03:54:23 <Headbomb>	Harper is a brand of insiduous evil that is destroying Canada from the inside
May 03 03:54:50 <Headbomb>	pro-torture, anti-gay, pro-religious, anti-secularism, anti-women, etc...
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May 03 03:56:28 <Headbomb>	I should rather say pro-Christian, because he's anti-Mulsim
May 03 03:56:32 <Headbomb>	*Muslim
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May 03 03:57:07 <OlEnglish>	oh shutup
May 03 03:57:08 <Chris_G>	!ops
May 03 03:57:14 <nb>	STFU
May 03 03:57:15 <matthewrbowker>	STFU
May 03 03:57:16 <nb>	!ops
May 03 03:57:19 <Loki>	!admin
May 03 03:57:22 <RudyValencia>	I only have to use SASL when I log on using AndroIRC.
May 03 03:57:22 <Headbomb>	in a nutshell, Harper is like the Republicans, but he never got to be as bad as them because he always had minorities
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May 03 03:57:35 <Herodotus>	idoru: Behave, please.
May 03 03:57:35 <Brian_S>	FAdmArcher:
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May 03 03:57:40 *	FAdmArcher sets ban on anwerb!*@*
May 03 03:57:49 <Brian_S>	You suck at bans.
May 03 03:57:49 <Logan_>	heh
May 03 03:57:50 *	FAdmArcher removes ban on anwerb!*@*
May 03 03:57:56 <FAdmArcher>	damn chatzilla
May 03 03:57:58 *	Logan_ agrees with Brian_S 
May 03 03:58:01 <Loki>	He does xD
May 03 03:58:01 <Logan_>	:P
May 03 03:58:13 <Pilif12p>	yes yes okay okay
May 03 03:58:20 <RudyValencia>	Why do those trolls say people have to change to SASL?
May 03 03:58:23 <Logan_>	yes Tanner? :P
May 03 03:58:49 <Elockid>	so what was that about?
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May 03 03:59:02 <Sceptre>	also Headbomb: what the fuck is wrong with Canada
May 03 03:59:05 <Irish_Eddy>	What on earth is SASL?
May 03 03:59:12 *	Fluffernutter hides
May 03 03:59:13 <NA_0>	What mode is +bb? Double-ban?
May 03 03:59:21 <Loki>	NA_0: two bans
May 03 03:59:26 <Loki>	Irish_Eddy: wiki it
May 03 03:59:32 <Headbomb>	Sceptre: Harper
May 03 03:59:33 <Loki>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Authentication_and_Security_Layer
May 03 03:59:36 <Headbomb>	Harper is wrong with Canada
May 03 03:59:36 <Irish_Eddy>	good idea!
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May 03 03:59:45 <Fluffernutter>	Headbomb: my friend on another server wants to know if you voted NDP
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May 03 03:59:50 <Sceptre>	giving a party objectively found to be lying cunts a majority :why:
May 03 04:00:00 <Headbomb>	I have no fucking idea
May 03 04:00:02 <Logan_>	FAdmArcher: You fail. :P
May 03 04:00:10 <OlEnglish>	the NDP being the opposition should balance it out well
May 03 04:00:15 <Headbomb>	Fluffernutter: i voted red, but it didn`t make a difference, the blue got in here
May 03 04:00:17 <FAdmArcher>	I blame my client
May 03 04:00:18 <FAdmArcher>	:P
May 03 04:00:53 <Headbomb>	orange finished third, took too many of red`s votes, and the blue got in
May 03 04:00:53 *	Fluffernutter blames FAdmArcher's client
May 03 04:01:00 <Logan_>	FAdmArcher: use X-Chat :P
May 03 04:01:12 <OlEnglish>	third?
May 03 04:01:17 <Headbomb>	CON had 35%
May 03 04:01:30 <Headbomb>	Lib, 32/ and NDP 29%
May 03 04:01:33 <Fluffernutter>	oops. i just broke my plastic tumbler
May 03 04:01:43 *	Fluffernutter coordination ftw
May 03 04:01:46 <Headbomb>	Green had.... 4
May 03 04:02:07 <OlEnglish>	in your riding?
May 03 04:02:09 <Headbomb>	fucking first past the post system
May 03 04:02:11 <Headbomb>	yes
May 03 04:02:14 <Headbomb>	OlEnglish: yes
May 03 04:02:16 <Irish_Eddy>	Hmmm, I'm using Chatzilla. Not a clue what they do with SASL :-)
May 03 04:02:20 <OlEnglish>	oh
May 03 04:02:54 <OlEnglish>	i voted NDP, they finished second in my riding with 23.81%
May 03 04:03:12 <Headbomb>	and fucking divided left too
May 03 04:03:26 <mindspillage>	Fluffernutter: that seems like a good automatic way to tell when you've had enough... you break your cup, you're done. :-P
May 03 04:04:06 <FAdmArcher>	NA_0: it's two seperate bans
May 03 04:04:08 <Fluffernutter>	heh, good point mindspillage
May 03 04:04:11 <FAdmArcher>	oops
May 03 04:04:22 <FAdmArcher>	scroll down needed :P
May 03 04:04:48 <Headbomb>	fucking Genocide for the Bloc too
May 03 04:04:53 <Headbomb>	down to 2 seats....
May 03 04:04:55 <Sceptre>	Headbomb: if it's any consolation, you've probably helped get rid of fuhpuhtuhpuh in the UK
May 03 04:05:01 <Fluffernutter>	perhaps this is a sign i need to sleep
May 03 04:05:06 <Fluffernutter>	i think i shall try
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May 03 04:05:14 <Headbomb>	Sceptre: did I ? and it's not any consolation
May 03 04:05:14 <mindspillage>	g'night!
May 03 04:05:19 <Sceptre>	well
May 03 04:05:21 <Sceptre>	Canada
May 03 04:05:26 <FAdmArcher>	CON & NDP good job! LB BQ GREEN you are where you belong ;P
May 03 04:05:48 <Sceptre>	the campaign to change to AV needs a monumental fuck up under FPTP which is not "last May"
May 03 04:05:49 <Headbomb>	Lib should be in NDP`s place, and NDP in the Con`s place
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May 03 04:06:01 <Headbomb>	with the Con in the lib`s place
May 03 04:06:17 <Headbomb>	and block is where it belongs with only 2 seats so far
May 03 04:06:23 <Headbomb>	where it`s leading
May 03 04:09:54 <quanticle>	What's SASL?
May 03 04:11:02 <OlEnglish>	sumthun sumthin socket layer
May 03 04:12:17 <Logan_>	Simple Authentication and Security Layer
May 03 04:13:07 <quanticle>	Headbomb: Arguably, I see that as a good thing. I never much liked Bloc Quebecois.
May 03 04:13:20 <KFP>	OlEnglish: One correct word out of four. Success!
May 03 04:13:26 <OlEnglish>	hehe :)
May 03 04:13:28 <quanticle>	Bunch'a' separatist douches in my opinion.
May 03 04:13:32 <Headbomb>	the bloc was a swell party if you disregard the seperation issue
May 03 04:13:46 <Headbomb>	forget the seperatism, and they are awesome
May 03 04:13:56 <Headbomb>	include the seperatism, and they are shit
May 03 04:14:19 <Headbomb>	however seperatism has been irrelevant in the last 10 years+
May 03 04:14:24 <quanticle>	But how can you separate (haha pun) separatism from the bloc?
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May 03 04:15:07 <Headbomb>	Harper talked more of Seperatism than the Bloc ever did since the sponsorship scandal
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May 03 04:18:09 <quanticle>	Oh really? I'm an American, if you haven't guessed already, so forgive me if some of my information is dated.
May 03 04:18:43 <Logan_>	DQ|sleep: Sleep opping much? :P
May 03 04:19:03 <geniice>	Headbomb with their crazy language requirements the bloc are effectively going in for ethnic clensing light
May 03 04:19:16 <DQ|sleep>	heh...yep before I go to bed, but this one (IRC client) will stay live forever now :P
May 03 04:19:23 <DQ|sleep>	anyway...night.
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May 03 04:20:31 <Headbomb>	quanticle: you knew the Bloc existed and were seperatists
May 03 04:20:39 <Headbomb>	that`s better than 95% of americans, if not more
May 03 04:21:03 <quanticle>	Headbomb: I used to listen to the CBC's As It Happens program on public radio.
May 03 04:21:07 <quanticle>	:)
May 03 04:27:50 <OlEnglish>	i wonder if they're gonna get rid of ignatieff
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May 03 04:30:14 <Headbomb>	OlEnglish: they don`t really have a choice
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May 03 04:36:15 <Headbomb>	Duceppe will be out too
May 03 04:36:22 <Headbomb>	this might be the real end of the block
May 03 04:36:26 <Headbomb>	Bloc
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May 03 04:37:29 <Sven_Manguard>	Anyone here seen Narodnik recently?
May 03 04:37:35 <OlEnglish>	no but they can still remain party leaders
May 03 04:37:56 <OlEnglish>	i;m wondering if the liberal party will get rid of ignatieff
May 03 04:38:14 <Narodnik>	I'm Narodnik, and so's my wife.
May 03 04:38:19 <Headbomb>	well yeah, but after such crushing defeats, their parties will lynch them if they don`t step down
May 03 04:38:28 <Sven_Manguard>	oh hi
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May 03 04:38:38 <Gfoley4>	yes hello
May 03 04:38:43 <Gfoley4>	Gfoley4 here
May 03 04:38:46 <OlEnglish>	ignatieff said he's staying
May 03 04:38:53 <OlEnglish>	Gfoley4!
May 03 04:38:58 <Gfoley4>	:D
May 03 04:39:03 <Gfoley4>	OlEnglish!
May 03 04:39:08 <Headbomb>	Ignatieff will be kicked out then
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May 03 04:39:39 <Headbomb>	Bob Rae currently advocating merging with the NDP, indirectly of course
May 03 04:39:52 <Headbomb>	Bob Rae for liberal leader
May 03 04:39:55 <Headbomb>	like it should have been
May 03 04:40:12 <Headbomb>	Duceppe to speak
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May 03 04:42:16 <LauraHale>	Ef
May 03 04:42:24 <derp>	LauraHale <3
May 03 04:42:24 <LauraHale>	There is a tornado in Auckland
May 03 04:42:45 <Headbomb>	there's a worse disaster a Canada
May 03 04:43:09 <LauraHale>	Yes, but you're not actually in Auckland.
May 03 04:43:26 <Headbomb>	no but i'm actually in Canada
May 03 04:43:48 <LauraHale>	Your election will be screwed up.
May 03 04:43:55 <Headbomb>	it`s mostly over now
May 03 04:44:02 <Headbomb>	the damage is horrible
May 03 04:44:04 <derp>	Headbomb, so who's your MP?
May 03 04:44:09 <Headbomb>	Robert Goguen
May 03 04:44:17 <Headbomb>	it was Brian Murphy
May 03 04:44:33 <Headbomb>	but he got defeated today
May 03 04:44:33 <derp>	Montreal ALMOSt had Conservative
May 03 04:44:52 <Headbomb>	i'm fucking shattered here
May 03 04:44:59 <derp>	And BYE BYE ANDRÉ ARTHUR!
May 03 04:45:08 <Headbomb>	and duceppe
May 03 04:45:21 <Headbomb>	duceppe reached the mic
May 03 04:45:33 <derp>	man
May 03 04:45:37 <derp>	montreal all orange
May 03 04:45:41 <derp>	all over the area
May 03 04:45:42 <derp>	orange
May 03 04:45:43 <derp>	and orange
May 03 04:46:27 <OlEnglish>	good
May 03 04:46:41 <derp>	in a nearby riding
May 03 04:46:47 <derp>	a comedian particpated
May 03 04:47:12 <derp>	he specializes in loudmouth comedy
May 03 04:47:18 <derp>	and insult comedy
May 03 04:47:27 <derp>	 came third.
May 03 04:47:48 <OlEnglish>	a former marijuana party member won a seat
May 03 04:48:03 <OlEnglish>	now with ndp
May 03 04:48:26 <Headbomb>	Madame Ignatieff :p
May 03 04:49:55 <Headbomb>	Duceppe endorsing NDP, sorta
May 03 04:50:40 <derp>	I'm out
May 03 04:50:40 <derp>	<3
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May 03 04:51:05 <OlEnglish>	yes!
May 03 04:51:09 <OlEnglish>	buh bye
May 03 04:51:43 <OlEnglish>	oh..
May 03 04:51:51 <OlEnglish>	that wasn't directed at derp btw
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May 03 05:00:54 <UrgeRoute>	anyone here?
May 03 05:01:06 <Gfoley4>	no
May 03 05:01:09 <Neo>	[VLC-Video]: House S07E20 [16:01:44/16:43:09] - [Codec: MPEG-4 Video (XVID)]
May 03 05:01:13 <Gfoley4>	only 153 people
May 03 05:01:53 <UrgeRoute>	can you help me out with a redirect?
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May 03 05:02:07 <UrgeRoute>	i just added in a needed redirect string but it wont shoot down the line
May 03 05:02:42 <NA_0>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Double_redirects
May 03 05:02:43 <UrgeRoute>	i was looking for information on Flash Paper (magicians prop), but i was instead sent to a page about some computer tech
May 03 05:02:58 <NA_0>	Oh, did I misinterpret your question?
May 03 05:03:05 <UrgeRoute>	so i deleted the content fo FlashPaper and added in #REDIRECT [[Flash Paper]]
May 03 05:03:14 <UrgeRoute>	but i got there and found some selector page
May 03 05:03:27 <UrgeRoute>	so i replaced it with #REDIRECT [[Nitrocellulose]]
May 03 05:03:48 <UrgeRoute>	then iwanted to clarify so i made the page Flash Paper (Nitrocellulose) wit hthe content of Nitrocellulose
May 03 05:04:08 <UrgeRoute>	then added #REDIRECT [[Flash Paper (Nitrocellulose)]] to the top of it
May 03 05:04:34 <UrgeRoute>	but if i go to FlashPaper i have to click through the chain, i dont end up at Flash Paper (Nitrocellulose) immediately like i shjould
May 03 05:04:55 <NA_0>	So you cut-and-paste-moved and made a triple redirect.
May 03 05:04:57 <UrgeRoute>	if you want to see what I mean start at the page FlashPaper (no space) and you wil lsee
May 03 05:05:05 <UrgeRoute>	i what?
May 03 05:05:23 <UrgeRoute>	is that what I wanted to do?
May 03 05:05:32 <UrgeRoute>	i need to find how to make a triple redirect?
May 03 05:05:33 <NA_0>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_fix_cut-and-paste_moves
May 03 05:05:53 <NA_0>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Double_redirects
May 03 05:05:57 <UrgeRoute>	nono the cut and paste move worked
May 03 05:06:06 <UrgeRoute>	i just need the redirects to go where they need to
May 03 05:06:14 <UrgeRoute>	so i guess i need to turn it into a triple redirect?
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May 03 05:06:22 <NA_0>	No, cut and paste moves aren't supposed to be done
May 03 05:06:29 <UrgeRoute>	is that the same as making a double redirect? (which I presume that page explains?)
May 03 05:06:32 <Mono>	NA_0: don't spam links at people
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May 03 05:06:45 <NA_0>	And the problem with the redirects is that you made a triple redirect, which also shouldn't be done.
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May 03 05:06:51 <UrgeRoute>	oh
May 03 05:07:01 <NA_0>	Mono: Sorry, can you handle this
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May 03 05:07:26 <Mono>	UrgeRoute: see if you can undo all the edits you just made and I'll walk you through moving a page
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May 03 05:07:34 <Mono>	UrgeRoute: what's your Wikipedia username?
May 03 05:07:34 <UrgeRoute>	my intent was to make it so if i go to flashpaper it bumps me to flash paper, which bumps you to nitrocellulose, which bumps you to flash paper (nitrocellulose) all in one shot
May 03 05:07:41 <UrgeRoute>	Urgeroute
May 03 05:07:51 <Mono>	OK.
May 03 05:07:59 <UrgeRoute>	so paste all the old content back?
May 03 05:08:07 <Mono>	Did you try to move the text of one article to another by copying and pasting?
May 03 05:08:10 <UrgeRoute>	some of it i permanently deleted though
May 03 05:08:13 <UrgeRoute>	kind of
May 03 05:08:27 <UrgeRoute>	i was looking for information on Flash Paper (magicians prop), but i was instead sent to a page about some computer tech [21:03] <NA_0> Oh, did I misinterpret your question? [21:03] <UrgeRoute> so i deleted the content fo FlashPaper and added in #REDIRECT [[Flash Paper]] [21:03] <UrgeRoute> but i got there and found some selector page [21:03] <UrgeRoute> so i replaced it with #REDIRECT [[Nitrocellulose]] [21:03] <UrgeRoute> th
May 03 05:08:43 <UrgeRoute>	wit hthe content of Nitrocellulose [21:04] <UrgeRoute> then added #REDIRECT [[Flash Paper (Nitrocellulose)]] to the top of it [21:04] <UrgeRoute> but if i go to FlashPaper i have to click through the chain, i dont end up at Flash Paper (Nitrocellulose) immediately like i shjould
May 03 05:09:14 <Mono>	OK.
May 03 05:09:14 <UrgeRoute>	I cant undo what i did b/c i would need the content of the old pages to paste them back in
May 03 05:09:20 <UrgeRoute>	and i deleted the computer flashpaper content
May 03 05:09:22 <Mono>	ONE SEC.
May 03 05:09:31 <Mono>	Whoops..caps lock fail
May 03 05:09:35 <UrgeRoute>	go to the page
May 03 05:09:40 <UrgeRoute>	FlashPaper (no spaces)
May 03 05:09:43 <UrgeRoute>	youll see what my prob. is
May 03 05:09:47 <UrgeRoute>	it doesnt shoot down the line
May 03 05:10:04 <UrgeRoute>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashpaper
May 03 05:11:11 <UrgeRoute>	i wanted to make is so if you click to any of those pages you get put into the line which goes to the end FlashPaper > Flash Paper > Nitrocellulose >Flash Paper (Nitrocellulose), that way going to any of the four you end up at Flash Paper (Nitrocellulose)
May 03 05:11:23 <Mono>	I'm working on it
May 03 05:11:37 <UrgeRoute>	thanks
May 03 05:11:47 <Mono>	We can't do that with FlashPaper, as there's already an article there.
May 03 05:13:26 <UrgeRoute>	ok i added {{subst:afd1}} to remove my old changes
May 03 05:13:42 <UrgeRoute>	right, I removed it and pasted in #REDIRECT
May 03 05:14:01 <UrgeRoute>	i have added {{subst:afd1}} to all 4 pages to remove my edits so your fixes can go in
May 03 05:14:10 <UrgeRoute>	that makes things delete right?
May 03 05:14:51 <UrgeRoute>	why do you say that doesnt work with flashpaper?
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May 03 05:15:00 <UrgeRoute>	does an article block #redirect from working?
May 03 05:15:18 <Mono>	I've fixed it, UrgeRoute
May 03 05:15:26 <Mono>	Double check it and make sure I did it right.
May 03 05:15:37 <UrgeRoute>	ok
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May 03 05:16:28 <UrgeRoute>	its all back how ti was before i edited it?
May 03 05:17:05 <UrgeRoute>	my intent was to take the content of Nitrocellulose and copy it to a new article called "Nitrocellulose (Flash Paper)"
May 03 05:17:22 <UrgeRoute>	then redirect FlashPaper, Flash Paper ,and Nitrocellulose to Nitrocellulose (Flash Paper)
May 03 05:17:46 <UrgeRoute>	now the computer article and the selector page come up again and my new page vanished??
May 03 05:17:55 <Mono>	OK. I think it's best to leave it at Nitrocellulose and redirect Nitrocellulose (Flash Paper) to Nitrocellulose
May 03 05:18:12 <UrgeRoute>	what about Flash Paper and FlashPaper?
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May 03 05:18:17 <Mono>	We can't redirect the FlashPaper article, as it's a notable article.
May 03 05:18:28 <UrgeRoute>	i think i may gave undone everything when i added that {{subst:afd1}} thing
May 03 05:18:53 <Mono>	and Flash Paper is sent to a disambiguation page, where the reader is shown two pages they may want to view
May 03 05:19:03 <UrgeRoute>	right, i was trying to fix that
May 03 05:19:10 <UrgeRoute>	so it goes to the article about flash paper instead
May 03 05:19:25 <Mono>	UrgeRoute: it's better if the reader has the choice.
May 03 05:19:31 <UrgeRoute>	ah
May 03 05:19:36 <UrgeRoute>	i was trying to make it less clicks
May 03 05:19:37 <Mono>	Say my name is John and I want to learn about Adobe Flash Paper
May 03 05:19:43 <NA_0>	When they type in "Flash Paper", some people want to know about the software and some want to know about nitrocellulose.
May 03 05:20:05 <NA_0>	That is the purpose of the disambiguation page.
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May 03 05:20:11 <Mono>	NA_0 is right. That's why we have those pages, but they sometimes are cumbersome.
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May 03 05:20:25 <UrgeRoute>	what threw me off is when i ran a google search for flash paper i landed not at that selector (disambiguation?) page, but instead i landed at FlashPaper (the software)
May 03 05:20:51 <UrgeRoute>	also what is a tripel redirect? (the other guy said theyre not good?)
May 03 05:20:55 <Mono>	We cannot change Google search results. If we could, I'd be very right by now.
May 03 05:20:57 <UrgeRoute>	triple*
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May 03 05:21:07 <Mono>	UrgeRoute: it's a redirect to a redirect to a redirect.
May 03 05:21:11 <UrgeRoute>	thats bad?
May 03 05:21:15 <NA_0>	A hatnote might be in order here?
May 03 05:21:17 <Mono>	lots of clicking
May 03 05:21:20 <UrgeRoute>	how do i send multiple pages to the same end page?
May 03 05:21:22 <Mono>	NA_0: sure.
May 03 05:21:31 <UrgeRoute>	can i just redirect them all to the same target?
May 03 05:21:35 <UrgeRoute>	whats a hatnote?
May 03 05:21:39 <Mono>	UrgeRoute: instead of redirecting to a redirect, redirect them all to the same oage.
May 03 05:21:43 <Mono>	*page
May 03 05:21:50 <UrgeRoute>	so tis legal to have multiple pointing to one?
May 03 05:21:53 <UrgeRoute>	its*
May 03 05:21:53 <UrgeRoute>	ok
May 03 05:21:56 <Mono>	Yep :)
May 03 05:22:01 <UrgeRoute>	nice
May 03 05:22:46 <UrgeRoute>	well I guess that whole edit just fell kind of useless, but thanks anyhow
May 03 05:23:09 <OlEnglish>	welp.. looks like Canadian Wikipedians gonna be busy creating a bunch of articles for newly elected NDPers
May 03 05:23:21 <OlEnglish>	and lots of em
May 03 05:24:12 <UrgeRoute>	ah there we go, i found a page called a sandbox
May 03 05:24:21 <UrgeRoute>	good place to test stuff right?
May 03 05:25:31 <OlEnglish>	yes UrgeRoute, thats what its for
May 03 05:25:38 <UrgeRoute>	ty
May 03 05:26:24 <UrgeRoute>	EEK
May 03 05:26:36 <UrgeRoute>	some automated thing is yelling at me for using the sandbox and says to use the sandbox instead??
May 03 05:27:29 <UrgeRoute>	argh w/e probably a glitch
May 03 05:27:36 <OlEnglish>	ignore it
May 03 05:28:37 <UrgeRoute>	someone renamed that sandbox sandpit, maybe that caused it
May 03 05:28:37 <UrgeRoute>	w/e
May 03 05:29:05 <UrgeRoute>	hmm, maybe i can use this to test changing namex
May 03 05:29:09 <UrgeRoute>	how do i change the title back?
May 03 05:29:15 <UrgeRoute>	since the cut and paste thing is a nono i guess
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May 03 05:30:53 <UrgeRoute>	messages still coming ,weird
May 03 05:30:56 <UrgeRoute>	someone sent me this i think
May 03 05:30:57 <UrgeRoute>	Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Sandpit, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. AdvertAdam talk 04:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
May 03 05:31:02 <UrgeRoute>	ignore that one too?
May 03 05:31:21 <OlEnglish>	uhh sandpit?
May 03 05:31:27 <OlEnglish>	i thnk you're on the wrong page..
May 03 05:31:32 <OlEnglish>	you want WP:SANDBOX
May 03 05:31:56 <UrgeRoute>	i typed sandbox and i found another one of those disambig pages which led to sandpit
May 03 05:32:00 <UrgeRoute>	so i tried to change it back to sandbox
May 03 05:32:10 <UrgeRoute>	by adding #REDIRECT [[sandbox]]
May 03 05:32:17 <OlEnglish>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox
May 03 05:32:28 <OlEnglish>	which is currently being taken up by some blonde
May 03 05:32:30 <UrgeRoute>	heres what ive been editing
May 03 05:32:31 <UrgeRoute>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandpit
May 03 05:32:46 <UrgeRoute>	that the right one but in the wrong place?
May 03 05:32:46 <OlEnglish>	ya.. you want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox
May 03 05:32:57 <UrgeRoute>	uh
May 03 05:33:03 <UrgeRoute>	thats a whole different page...
May 03 05:33:09 <UrgeRoute>	oops?
May 03 05:33:13 <OlEnglish>	Sandpit is an article on sandpits
May 03 05:33:20 <UrgeRoute>	ooohh....
May 03 05:33:26 <UrgeRoute>	oops >_<
May 03 05:33:27 <UrgeRoute>	sorry
May 03 05:33:29 <OlEnglish>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox is the testing space
May 03 05:33:35 <OlEnglish>	no worries
May 03 05:33:36 <UrgeRoute>	ill add the delete tag to make it undo it
May 03 05:33:48 <OlEnglish>	you've already been reverted
May 03 05:33:55 <Demiurge1000>	Do we have any admins here who might deal with a small issue? Quite simple and I don't see it as an emergency
May 03 05:34:30 <UrgeRoute>	reverted?
May 03 05:34:38 <UrgeRoute>	you mean i didnt need {{subst:afd1}}on the page to fix it?
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May 03 05:35:19 <Headbomb>	hmmmm Layton making a sort of peace branch offering to liberals...
May 03 05:35:27 <Headbomb>	maybe he`s open to a merger
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May 03 05:37:22 <UrgeRoute>	ok so how do i add {{subst:afd1}} to a page without making this thing?
May 03 05:37:31 <UrgeRoute>	This template is being used in the wrong namespace. To nominate this talk page for deletion, go to Miscellany for deletion. 	This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until 
May 03 05:37:44 <UrgeRoute>	im trying to discuss it wit hthe guy who fixed page and it made that boxy thing show up
May 03 05:37:45 <NA_0>	No, {{subst:afd1}} is not how to fix a page.
May 03 05:38:01 <NA_0>	What are you trying to do?
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May 03 05:38:10 <UrgeRoute>	delete my errant edit
May 03 05:38:15 <UrgeRoute>	so i put {{subst:afd1}} at the top of the page
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May 03 05:38:25 <killiondude>	What errant edit?
May 03 05:38:34 <killiondude>	That won't fix edits.
May 03 05:38:35 <UrgeRoute>	then i put an explanation of what i did on some users page and it mad e the box appear on it instead of the text talking about it
May 03 05:38:38 <UrgeRoute>	see
May 03 05:38:43 <UrgeRoute>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Adamrce
May 03 05:38:47 <UrgeRoute>	see what I mean?
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May 03 05:38:55 <UrgeRoute>	the one on sandpit
May 03 05:39:00 <UrgeRoute>	which i thought was a sandbox
May 03 05:39:04 <UrgeRoute>	it worked...
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May 03 05:39:39 <Urgeroute_>	got disconnected sorry
May 03 05:39:43 <Urgeroute_>	it worked...
May 03 05:40:16 <Urgeroute_>	i addedI added {{subst:afd1}} to the page and my errant edit went away and the content came back
May 03 05:40:34 <killiondude>	I don't think that template will help do anything you're trying to accomplish.
May 03 05:40:39 <OlEnglish>	no.. someone reverted you
May 03 05:40:42 <Urgeroute_>	and now I have this on my messages?
May 03 05:40:43 <Urgeroute_>	 This is your last warning; the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Sandpit, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. THIS is the sandbox, for testing!!! AdvertAdam talk 04:38, 3 May 2011
May 03 05:40:44 <OlEnglish>	they undid your edit for you
May 03 05:42:07 <Urgeroute_>	so it was just a coincidence that it fixed right after i added {{subst:afd1}}  to the top?
May 03 05:43:04 <OlEnglish>	it fixed because someone fixed it, you had nothing to do with it
May 03 05:43:20 <Urgeroute_>	oh =(
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May 03 05:43:41 <killiondude>	http://tinyurl.com/3checma
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May 03 05:45:38 <Urgeroute_>	so how do i properly use {{subst:afd1}} ?
May 03 05:45:42 <Urgeroute_>	whats it really do?
May 03 05:45:46 <Urgeroute_>	just make that weird box show up?
May 03 05:46:20 <killiondude>	It means you are proposing that an article should be deleted.
May 03 05:46:34 <Urgeroute_>	meaning the version of it i put it on?
May 03 05:46:41 <Urgeroute_>	or meaning an article by that name shouldnt exist anymore?
May 03 05:46:54 <killiondude>	Neither.
May 03 05:47:05 <Urgeroute_>	???
May 03 05:47:10 <killiondude>	An article in its entirety, no an accidental creation.
May 03 05:47:14 <killiondude>	*not
May 03 05:47:17 <Urgeroute_>	ah
May 03 05:47:30 <Urgeroute_>	so why would anyone want to remove an article outright?
May 03 05:47:31 <OlEnglish>	what are you trying to do?
May 03 05:47:43 <Urgeroute_>	just understand when  ishould stick {{subst:afd1}} on a page i guess
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May 03 05:48:01 <Urgeroute_>	and how to fix accidental edits that dont need {{subst:afd1}}
May 03 05:48:13 <Urgeroute_>	i guess theres a way to do something called revert from wehat youre saying?
May 03 05:48:19 <Urgeroute_>	{{REVERT}}?
May 03 05:48:22 <Urgeroute_>	#REVERT?
May 03 05:48:55 <topaz>	Urgeroute_: to understand what the {{afd1}} template is for, you should probably read [[Wikipedia:Guide to deletion]] first
May 03 05:48:56 <killiondude>	Hi. Welcome to Wikipedia!
May 03 05:49:11 <Urgeroute_>	hi, thanks
May 03 05:49:16 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction is useful.
May 03 05:49:22 <Urgeroute_>	the newbieness shows that much? >_<
May 03 05:49:33 <topaz>	but to make minor changes to an article, you can just click the "edit" tab at the top of the page
May 03 05:49:44 <Urgeroute_>	thats what i did
May 03 05:49:54 <Urgeroute_>	then people started yelling...
May 03 05:50:15 <topaz>	the "AFD" templates are for when an entire article should be deleted because it shouldn't be on Wikipedia at all for some reason
May 03 05:50:20 <OlEnglish>	i think you should do our tutorial
May 03 05:50:34 <OlEnglish>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial
May 03 05:50:45 <OlEnglish>	just follow the instructions
May 03 05:51:24 <Urgeroute_>	ok thanks
May 03 05:52:27 <Logan_>	MuZemike: you there?
May 03 05:52:36 <MuZemike>	Oww
May 03 05:52:39 <Urgeroute_>	yep
May 03 05:52:58 <Logan_>	MuZemike: could you pretty please handle the three CU requests at ACC? :P
May 03 05:53:17 <Logan_>	I will pay you in virtual cookies
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May 03 05:55:25 <Urgeroute_>	tutorial was helpful
May 03 05:55:33 <Headbomb>	to watch harper or not....
May 03 05:55:34 <Urgeroute_>	no explanation on stuff like #REDIRECT or {{subst:afd1}} tho
May 03 05:55:36 <Headbomb>	probably not
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May 03 05:55:49 <Urgeroute_>	so proper use of {{subst:afd1}} is to delete an unneeded page?
May 03 05:55:51 <Urgeroute_>	like this?
May 03 05:56:11 *	Logan_ looks longingly at MuZemike 
May 03 05:56:29 <OlEnglish>	so you want to learn how to delete pages?
May 03 05:56:32 <Urgeroute_>	Use {{subst:afd1}} to delete unneeded pages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletion
May 03 05:56:48 <Urgeroute_>	well i was trying to learn to redirect
May 03 05:57:00 <Urgeroute_>	so i presume after i do i need to delete the leftovers
May 03 05:57:04 <Urgeroute_>	i tried it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletion
May 03 05:57:09 <Urgeroute_>	thats right, right?
May 03 05:57:14 <OlEnglish>	no
May 03 05:57:47 <OlEnglish>	you need to learn about namespaces..
May 03 05:58:09 <OlEnglish>	and a bunch of other stuff
May 03 05:58:15 <Urgeroute_>	I also want to nkow how to type {{subst:afd1}} when im talking with someone on wikipedia
May 03 05:58:23 <Urgeroute_>	without making this mess appear
May 03 05:58:33 <Urgeroute_>	Use 	This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, re
May 03 05:58:55 <OlEnglish>	just forget about  {{subst:afd1}}
May 03 05:59:00 <Urgeroute_>	like it did on the page deletion where i entered it
May 03 05:59:00 <topaz>	Urgeroute_: you want to know how to leave a comment that says "{{subst:afd1}}" without having it actually produe the whole AFD box?
May 03 05:59:07 <Urgeroute_>	right
May 03 05:59:14 <MuZemike>	Why do we even have "in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy" at the end there?
May 03 05:59:16 <Urgeroute_>	i think i deleted someones userpage and made them mad =(
May 03 05:59:31 <Urgeroute_>	by mentioning by mentioning {{subst:afd1}} on it
May 03 05:59:51 <Urgeroute_>	all i emant was to talk about having used {{subst:afd1}} elsewhere
May 03 06:00:22 <topaz>	Urgeroute_: that's a little easier.  type "<nowiki>{{subst:afd1}}</nowiki>" in your comment.
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May 03 06:00:49 <topaz>	putting <nowiki>...</nowiki> around pretty much anything will prevent the wiki software from interpreting it as a template or command.
May 03 06:01:11 <Urgeroute_>	Like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletion
May 03 06:01:54 <topaz>	yes, but please don't test things there.  Use the sandbox for that.
May 03 06:02:06 <topaz>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox
May 03 06:02:53 <Sven_Manguard>	oh my god
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May 03 06:03:04 <Logan_>	Sven_Manguard: What?
May 03 06:03:11 <Sven_Manguard>	some IP just messaged me "Koopa likes it when you touch him there"
May 03 06:03:24 <Logan_>	hahaha
May 03 06:03:37 <Sven_Manguard>	was that you?
May 03 06:03:46 <Urgeroute_>	back
May 03 06:03:49 <Urgeroute_>	not me....
May 03 06:03:54 <killiondude>	i wouldn't doubt it
May 03 06:04:05 <Urgeroute_>	my fear is that i accidentally suggested that that page about deletion be deleted itself
May 03 06:04:13 <Urgeroute_>	my intent was to addin a useful statement about deletion to it
May 03 06:04:46 <killiondude>	You probably should stick to fixing typos or something small right now.
May 03 06:04:50 <topaz>	Urgeroute_: I think that that was what you did by accident. No major harm done. But I think it's also probably a good idea to try to stick to more minor changes to Wikipedia for now.
May 03 06:05:14 <topaz>	it's a lot easier to get the swing of how Wikipedia works if you start small. :-)
May 03 06:05:22 <Urgeroute_>	Use <nowiki>{{subst:afd1}}</nowiki> to delete unneeded pages!
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May 03 06:05:27 <Urgeroute_>	that one worked i think
May 03 06:05:34 <Urgeroute_>	that didnt make it delete the article on deleting right?
May 03 06:06:01 <Urgeroute_>	just stated that you can use Use {{subst:afd1}} to delete stuff
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May 03 06:06:15 <topaz>	Urgeroute_: nope, it didn't list the article for deletion.
May 03 06:06:18 <MuZemike>	Used to request a deletion discussion.
May 03 06:06:48 <Urgeroute_>	so Use <nowiki>{{subst:afd1}}</nowiki> doesnt delete anything?
May 03 06:06:52 <killiondude>	Urgeroute_: You're likely going to be blocked if you don't stop editing like that.
May 03 06:06:59 <Logan_>	MuZemike: Thanks :)  Could you give [[User:SMM_SCL]] IPBE now that it was created?
May 03 06:07:00 <Urgeroute_>	what did i do wrong now?
May 03 06:07:08 <killiondude>	Articles aren't for testing things and numerous people have asked you to ONLY EDIT THE SANDBOX FOR TESTING.
May 03 06:07:11 <Urgeroute_>	i used the nowiki thingy to make it not work
May 03 06:07:25 <Urgeroute_>	i am using if for testing stuff
May 03 06:07:31 <Urgeroute_>	but im trying to make useful edits too
May 03 06:07:42 <Urgeroute_>	throughtout wikipedia
May 03 06:07:47 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deletion&diff=prev&oldid=427186639 Not useful.
May 03 06:08:05 <topaz>	Urgeroute_: this isn't a useful change, in part because the process of nominating an article for deletion is a lot more complicated than just adding {{subst:afd1}} to it.
May 03 06:08:08 <OlEnglish>	you've been shown the link to the sandbox
May 03 06:08:25 <OlEnglish>	here it is one more time
May 03 06:08:26 <Logan_>	MuZemike: thanks!
May 03 06:08:27 <OlEnglish>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox
May 03 06:08:33 <topaz>	Urgeroute_: I strongly recommend that you follow killiondude's advice and stick to small, simple changes for nwo.
May 03 06:08:37 <OlEnglish>	that page you can use to test whatever you want
May 03 06:08:48 <Urgeroute_>	i get that i can do test stuff there
May 03 06:08:58 <Urgeroute_>	but when i want to do real changes i have to do it outside right?
May 03 06:09:14 <Urgeroute_>	i guess i can keep it small to start
May 03 06:09:28 <topaz>	Urgeroute_: I also strongly recommend that you use the "preview" button before saving any changes, to make sure that the change does what you want it to.
May 03 06:09:30 <Urgeroute_>	i figured i was by dealing mainly with maintenance stuff like redirecting moving deleting etc
May 03 06:09:36 <Urgeroute_>	ok
May 03 06:09:44 <topaz>	definitely best to leave the maintenance stuff aside for now
May 03 06:10:16 <topaz>	it's better not to fiddle with that until you understand the Wikipedia administrative processes a little better, and some of them can be complicated
May 03 06:10:33 <Urgeroute_>	ah
May 03 06:11:55 <Urgeroute_>	well thanks for the help
May 03 06:12:00 <Urgeroute_>	guess ill cool it and read up a bit
May 03 06:12:03 <topaz>	enjoy wikipedia!
May 03 06:12:05 <Urgeroute_>	dont want to mess stuff up
May 03 06:12:07 <Urgeroute_>	thanks
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May 03 06:17:21 <topaz>	god help us all.
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May 03 06:18:32 <quanticle>	Haha.
May 03 06:18:51 <quanticle>	'grats, topaz, though. Nice job helping the newbie, and sticking to WP:Bite, in general
May 03 06:19:50 <topaz>	thx :-)
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May 03 06:20:25 <slakr>	http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/02/president-barack-obama-osama-bin-laden-sex-michelle-obama/
May 03 06:20:28 <slakr>	tmz asks the tough questions.
May 03 06:20:39 <slakr>	note the reader response poll.
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May 03 06:21:10 <quanticle>	I'd totally expect a victory lay
May 03 06:21:11 <quanticle>	:P
May 03 06:21:47 <killiondude>	dear god
May 03 06:21:53 <quanticle>	On the other hand, the kids were probably awake, so :/
May 03 06:22:02 <killiondude>	tmz should stick to hollywood. TEN MILE ZONE.
May 03 06:23:10 <closedmouth>	it's not like he did it himself
May 03 06:23:24 *	Logan_ is now known as ACCBat
May 03 06:24:08 <closedmouth>	tonight's colbert report should be fun
May 03 06:24:17 <slakr>	was*
May 03 06:24:24 <closedmouth>	oh
May 03 06:24:37 <closedmouth>	jeez what time is it
May 03 06:25:07 <slakr>	1:30am eastern
May 03 06:25:45 <closedmouth>	hmm
May 03 06:25:54 <killiondude>	it is 1:25 PM
May 03 06:25:57 <killiondude>	in the future
May 03 06:27:31 *	NA_0 is now known as NA_0|away
May 03 06:27:45 <slakr>	killiondude: flying cars yet?
May 03 06:28:00 *	ACCBat throws a whale at slakr
May 03 06:28:40 *	ACCBat is now known as [Live]
May 03 06:28:41 <slakr>	ermm... thanks?
May 03 06:28:47 <[Live]>	No prob.
May 03 06:28:48 *	slakr pockets the whale
May 03 06:28:57 <slakr>	I'm saving the whales
May 03 06:29:07 <matthewrbowker>	LOL
May 03 06:29:37 *	[Live] is bored.
May 03 06:29:47 <matthewrbowker>	[Live]: We noticed.
May 03 06:29:52 *	petan pong [Live]
May 03 06:29:59 <petan>	yesterday you needed me
May 03 06:30:03 <Prodego>	wtf: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden&diff=prev&oldid=427188493
May 03 06:30:05 <[Live]>	Yes, right.
May 03 06:30:18 <matthewrbowker>	damnit, every time [Live] talks it pings me ...
May 03 06:30:41 <[Live]>	petan: There's a weird thing going on where Huggle isn't detecting level 4 warnings and just keeps repeating them.
May 03 06:30:56 <killiondude>	Prodego: I deemed that person as a moron months ago
May 03 06:31:01 <petan>	yes I think it's related to template change I made
May 03 06:31:05 <[Live]>	It's quite unfortunate.
May 03 06:31:07 <slakr>	Prodego: actually, that's exactly what's popped into my mind over the last day.
May 03 06:31:15 <petan>	I will check it soon
May 03 06:31:20 <slakr>	Prodego: but really more the first song from Wicked.
May 03 06:31:24 <[Live]>	petan: Which template change?
May 03 06:31:28 <petan>	all?
May 03 06:31:31 <killiondude>	Get on down the road
May 03 06:31:33 <[Live]>	Ah, okay.
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May 03 06:32:18 <slakr>	o/~ ease on down, ease on down the road... c'mon ease on down ease on down the road... don't you carry nothin' that might be a load, c'mon... ease on down, ease on down the roooad...
May 03 06:32:21 <matthewrbowker>	Thank You.
May 03 06:32:22 <RebeccaBlack>	petan: Is it related to the comment changes that I made in the templates?
May 03 06:32:43 <petan>	maybe
May 03 06:32:48 <RebeccaBlack>	:/
May 03 06:32:50 <RebeccaBlack>	oops :P
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May 03 06:32:56 <killiondude>	/mode +q RebeccaBlack
May 03 06:33:08 <RebeccaBlack>	killiondude: no u :P
May 03 06:33:10 <petan>	at least reverting it to older revision...
May 03 06:33:22 <RebeccaBlack>	killiondude: you can never quiet my beautiful voice :)
May 03 06:33:24 <petan>	maybe some from last month
May 03 06:33:31 <killiondude>	Hi there martin2df! Welcome to #wikipedia-en, the help channel for the English Wikipedia! Type your question in the white area at the bottom of the screen, and a helper should answer shortly.
May 03 06:33:50 <killiondude>	RebeccaBlack: Don't tempt me.
May 03 06:33:58 <RebeccaBlack>	Heh.
May 03 06:34:53 <killiondude>	no
May 03 06:35:20 <RebeccaBlack>	killiondude: PM, then? :P
May 03 06:35:33 <killiondude>	sure. i don't trust your invites.
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May 03 06:37:28 <RebeccaBlack>	tired Rebecca Black is tired
May 03 06:37:41 <Sven_Manguard>	Logan... who the hell is Rebecca Black?
May 03 06:37:51 <Sven_Manguard>	I see that name everywhere now.
May 03 06:37:51 <RebeccaBlack>	you have no class
May 03 06:37:59 <RebeccaBlack>	:P
May 03 06:38:00 <killiondude>	[[Rebecca Black]]
May 03 06:38:10 <slakr>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Black
May 03 06:38:15 <slakr>	you know
May 03 06:38:18 <MuZemike>	you ain't got no principles
May 03 06:38:19 <RebeccaBlack>	She was recently acclaimed for having one of the most talented voices on YouTube.
May 03 06:38:23 <slakr>	in case USING WIKIPEDIA didn't occur
May 03 06:39:04 <RebeccaBlack>	People have compared her to Aretha Franklin and the like.
May 03 06:39:26 *	NA_0|away is now known as NA_0
May 03 06:39:35 <Sven_Manguard>	Read... don't give a shit. Will wait for meme to pass.
May 03 06:39:48 <RebeccaBlack>	meme-tired Sven is meme-tired
May 03 06:40:08 <Sven_Manguard>	logan acting like an idiot makes Sven lose respect for logan
May 03 06:40:11 <RebeccaBlack>	Time to go write a rhetorical analysis at 1:40 AM.
May 03 06:40:18 <RebeccaBlack>	Always fun.
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May 03 06:43:19 *	slakr scratches head
May 03 06:43:35 <killiondude>	Yes, I did it solely off your random 122 piece of info.
May 03 06:43:41 <RebeccaBlack>	Cool.
May 03 06:43:54 <killiondude>	Sarcasm is hard. :(
May 03 06:44:03 <RebeccaBlack>	/s
May 03 06:44:48 *	slakr is confused
May 03 06:45:04 <slakr>	ah n/m
May 03 06:45:16 <RebeccaBlack>	slakr: It's alright; it will all come together eventually.  Don't be worried to express your inner feelings.
May 03 06:45:40 <killiondude>	Less mouthy.
May 03 06:46:27 <RebeccaBlack>	I'm coming out with a new song soon.
May 03 06:46:35 <RebeccaBlack>	It's called, "Saturday."
May 03 06:46:47 <RebeccaBlack>	I replaced every lyric in the song with the next day.  It's so original.
May 03 06:47:30 <RebeccaBlack>	Especially with the high-level diction and concrete details in the lyrics, it is sure to be critically-acclaimed.
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May 03 07:07:54 <Herodotus>	Logan_: Behave, please. Or at least be funny.
May 03 07:08:17 <Logan_>	I resent that.
May 03 07:08:22 <killiondude>	Resemble.
May 03 07:08:34 <Herodotus>	I'm just saying. You know what I'm saying?
May 03 07:09:06 <closedmouth>	are you hip to his scene, man?
May 03 07:09:50 <Logan_>	I'm down with that, brah.
May 03 07:12:10 <Logan_>	damn this shizzzz
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May 03 07:20:04 <heb>	Does fair use allow a media to be replaced?
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May 03 07:20:40 <heb>	The reason I'm asking is that the file http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:S%C3%B8v%C3%A6rnet.png shows the old logo, which has been replaced by a new one at the source site. Can I just replace it or should the old one be deleted first and then replaced with a new one?
May 03 07:21:15 <killiondude>	If anything you would upload a new version then get the older version deleted from the history.
May 03 07:22:17 <heb>	killiondude: So it's okay to have two fair use images of the same illustration (though in two different versions)?
May 03 07:22:35 <killiondude>	The older one would be deleted after a new version is uploaded.
May 03 07:22:52 <killiondude>	So for the file you linked, you would click "Upload a new version of this file"
May 03 07:23:05 <killiondude>	and use some sort of template magick after you're all done to get an admin to notice the old version
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May 03 07:24:57 <closedmouth>	you don't need to delete the old one as the fair use rationale should cover it
May 03 07:26:39 <killiondude>	ok
May 03 07:26:46 <heb>	closedmouth: Ah - cool. Thanks :)
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May 03 08:16:20 <Jeske_Couriano>	http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/experiment-log-261-ad-de
May 03 08:16:48 <killiondude>	not clicking
May 03 08:16:53 <Jeske_Couriano>	It's SFW
May 03 08:17:07 <Jeske_Couriano>	And most of it's humorous
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May 03 08:37:24 *	Topic for #wikipedia-en set by Thehelpfulone at Fri Apr 29 22:38:39 2011
May 03 08:37:24 *	#wikipedia-en :http://en.wikipedia.org/
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May 03 09:08:36 <MuZemike>	Can't be that much a difference: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/e4e20548-85b3-48bc-a5db-f1c19c36e18d.jpg
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May 03 09:38:20 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_and_non-metropolitan_counties_of_England#External_links
May 03 09:38:50 <Qcoder00>	Where's the mistake in - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:UK-LEG as the link isn't displaying properly
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May 03 09:41:02 <Qcoder00>	UK-LEG can't cope with multi-line titles :(
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May 03 10:15:17 <sonia>	anyone here a Wikinewsie?
May 03 10:15:24 <Pesky>	Nope
May 03 10:15:47 <tommorris>	sonia: yes
May 03 10:16:19 <sonia>	tommorris: care to review something I just wrote?
May 03 10:16:23 <sonia>	I have no idea what the MOS is like
May 03 10:16:45 <tommorris>	I'll have a look
May 03 10:17:02 <tommorris>	which story is it?
May 03 10:17:22 <sonia>	http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/One_confirmed_dead_after_tornado_hits_Auckland,_New_Zealand
May 03 10:17:43 <sonia>	thank you :)
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May 03 10:19:36 <tommorris>	sonia: looks pretty good. any images available?
May 03 10:19:45 <sonia>	mrm, might try find one on flickr
May 03 10:19:51 <sonia>	I'm not going back out there right now, the traffic is too bad
May 03 10:20:18 <sonia>	and besides I got hit by a forklift truck today and probably shouldn't be going anywhere :p
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May 03 10:21:46 <tommorris>	a friend of mine had a full page in a Dutch paper yesterday
May 03 10:23:03 <sonia>	oh?
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May 03 10:24:31 <sonia>	don't seem to be any free pics on flickr or anywhere for that matter
May 03 10:24:39 <tommorris>	yep, he works for Rovio (makers of Angry Birds) and they wrote it up in a Dutch paper
May 03 10:24:56 <tommorris>	it was funny because we got on a train, found the free paper on the train and it had an interview with him
May 03 10:25:02 <sonia>	heh
May 03 10:25:09 <tommorris>	kinda weird if you don't know it was going to happen
May 03 10:25:25 <sonia>	yeah, would've been
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May 03 10:27:55 <tommorris>	sonia: looks good so far, few minor changes I've found
May 03 10:28:00 <sonia>	ok
May 03 10:28:08 <sonia>	so I haven't done anything flagrantly wrong? :P
May 03 10:28:26 <tommorris>	can't see anything too bad
May 03 10:29:02 <Theo10011>	wow sonia got hit by a forklift?
May 03 10:29:14 <sonia>	Theo10011: yes
May 03 10:29:18 <sonia>	I work on what is currently a construction site
May 03 10:29:31 <Theo10011>	hope you're alright.
May 03 10:29:35 <sonia>	and apparently being under five foot renders me invisible
May 03 10:30:07 <sonia>	nothing's broken; in the scheme of the tornado and all I'm very lucky that I was delayed and didn't get into the area until afterward :p
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May 03 10:37:08 <tommorris>	sonia: okay, added an infobox and changed "carpark" into "car park"
May 03 10:37:14 <tommorris>	I'll now pass it at review
May 03 10:37:20 <sonia>	tommorris: "carpark" is NZ English
May 03 10:37:35 <sonia>	as is my odd hyphenation habit
May 03 10:37:54 <tommorris>	well, I've published it now
May 03 10:37:55 <tommorris>	;-)
May 03 10:38:23 <sonia>	:P
May 03 10:38:30 <sonia>	thank you!
May 03 10:38:47 <sonia>	Just contacting someone who's uploading nice pics, to see if they'll release them
May 03 10:38:55 <tommorris>	how many articles have you published on WN now?
May 03 10:39:16 <tommorris>	just roughly?
May 03 10:39:36 <sonia>	...just the one? :p
May 03 10:39:41 <sonia>	I've never done this before.
May 03 10:39:53 <tommorris>	ah okay
May 03 10:39:56 <sonia>	once in a while I've done a quick copyedit of someone else's work
May 03 10:39:59 <sonia>	but yeah.
May 03 10:40:07 <sonia>	so I hope it's okay :)
May 03 10:40:11 <tommorris>	yeah it's good
May 03 10:40:36 <tommorris>	if you write a few more articles or do lots of copyediting work, you might want to apply for reviewer status
May 03 10:40:55 <tommorris>	we need more reviewers to do both post-publication tweaking using pending changes and to review new articles
May 03 10:41:25 <sonia>	hmm, I'll see how I go
May 03 10:41:35 <sonia>	WP and adminning simplewiki is enough for me :p
May 03 10:50:22 <Peter-C>	WE GOT HIM!
May 03 10:50:25 <Peter-C>	:D
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May 03 10:52:11 *	sonia hugs Peter-C
May 03 10:52:28 *	Peter-C glomps sonia
May 03 10:52:32 <Peter-C>	:D
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May 03 10:52:40 <sonia>	:)
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May 03 10:52:51 *	Peter-C eats one of sonia's legs
May 03 10:53:45 <sonia>	o_O
May 03 10:53:46 <Brian_S>	o:
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May 03 10:56:57 <Peter-C>	"Indonesia clerics condemn bin Laden sea burial" WHAT?!
May 03 10:57:12 <Peter-C>	Obama's country opposes his decision?!
May 03 10:57:17 *	Peter-C went there
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May 03 11:00:42 <sonia>	tommorris: do you know how articles are added to the main page thingy?
May 03 11:01:11 <tommorris>	sonia: yes, if you are a reviewer, once you've published something, you can click to promote it to a lead article
May 03 11:01:28 <sonia>	heh, the latest news sidebar I meant
May 03 11:01:33 <sonia>	as opposed to a lead :P
May 03 11:01:45 <tommorris>	oh, yes, you just click the little 'recycle' icon which just purges the template
May 03 11:01:54 <tommorris>	done it
May 03 11:02:21 <sonia>	wow, fancy
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May 03 11:02:28 *	sonia boggles at all the flash stuff
May 03 11:02:42 <tommorris>	six articles waiting for peer review? fuck
May 03 11:02:51 *	tommorris actually needs to do some work
May 03 11:03:06 *	sonia could copyedit :p
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May 03 11:15:34 <Qcoder00>	Any bot authors aroundd?
May 03 11:16:02 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Unused_templates - Ideally this backlog could be cleared with a bot that auto-generated TfD requests
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May 03 11:37:52 <Peter-C>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwwN05Kb3E0
May 03 11:37:53 <Peter-C>	:D
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May 03 11:45:29 <Peter-C>	RAGE
May 03 11:48:49 <gde33>	how is [[CONSPIRACY THEORIES]] not [[weasle wording]]?
May 03 11:49:19 <Peter-C>	'cause I said so :|
May 03 11:49:35 <gde33>	it is a term used to troll topics
May 03 11:50:16 <Peter-C>	Also because (I *think*) a "conspiracy theory" is just a story that goes against the offical story
May 03 11:50:31 <gde33>	it isn't even remotely professional and shouldn't be in any encyclopedia
May 03 11:50:35 <Peter-C>	I guess you could just change it to "theory"
May 03 11:50:50 <gde33>	or "conspiracy"
May 03 11:50:58 <gde33>	depending on the context
May 03 11:51:03 <Peter-C>	Do you edit Wikipedia?
May 03 11:51:24 <gde33>	oh you are going to replace the topic with profiling? Are you some one like that?
May 03 11:51:44 <gde33>	lol
May 03 11:51:53 <Peter-C>	No, I just wanted to know if you *edit* Wikipedia
May 03 11:52:13 <Peter-C>	The answer will help me guide you
May 03 11:52:15 <gde33>	if i'm familiar with all the guidlines? yes I am
May 03 11:52:20 <Peter-C>	BE bold
May 03 11:52:45 <gde33>	ignore all the rules
May 03 11:52:48 <Peter-C>	^
May 03 11:52:56 <Peter-C>	If you have an issue with it, fix it :D
May 03 11:53:25 <gde33>	it seems the trolls have infiltrated the edit guidlines so there is little point.
May 03 11:53:48 <gde33>	I'm refering to the elaborately forum shopping skeptic groups.
May 03 11:54:31 <Peter-C>	Hmm... Well I have to go now, I have to get to school :/
May 03 11:54:37 <gde33>	have fun ;)
May 03 11:54:45 <Peter-C>	Feel free to stick around ^_^
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May 03 12:19:20 <Anna_Frodesiak>	does anyone know the cookies template. I forget.
May 03 12:19:38 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Or kittens. Either or.
May 03 12:21:25 <Anna_Frodesiak>	monkeys?
May 03 12:21:26 <Theo10011>	{{subst:Cookie|message=''message''}} ?
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May 03 12:21:37 <Anna_Frodesiak>	ah thanks theo!
May 03 12:21:51 <Theo10011>	np.
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May 03 12:42:04 <Ironholds>	Peter-C, a quiz for you
May 03 12:42:12 <Ironholds>	two questions, lets see if you can get this right
May 03 12:42:20 <Ironholds>	anyone else can join in if they wish
May 03 12:42:37 <Ironholds>	1) if I carry expired rifle ammunition in my suitcase, will the TSA confiscate it?
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May 03 12:46:47 <Theo10011>	Depends if you're white.
May 03 12:47:17 <Ironholds>	wrong
May 03 12:47:30 <mabdul>	lol
May 03 12:47:31 <Ironholds>	I currently have a set of expired AR-15 rounds in London that are testament to them not giving a fuck
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May 03 12:47:37 <Ironholds>	they did, however, feel up my hair
May 03 12:47:43 <Theo10011>	holy shit.
May 03 12:47:46 <Ironholds>	searching for hidden compartments, I assume
May 03 12:47:48 <Ironholds>	I feel violated
May 03 12:47:56 <Theo10011>	you carried AR-15 rounds back from NY.
May 03 12:48:14 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: expired, honey :P
May 03 12:48:27 <Ironholds>	just expired rounds that probably coated my entire bag in GSR. And nobody. noticed.
May 03 12:48:28 <Theo10011>	I stand by my statement, you have to be white.
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May 03 12:50:05 <Theo10011>	WTF are you doing with expired AR-15 rounds in London, I thought UK had strict Gun and Ammunition control laws.
May 03 12:50:11 <Theo10011>	unlike the US.
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May 03 12:51:21 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: they do. You see my point about gross stupidity on the part of border control?
May 03 12:51:25 <Ironholds>	and again, expired. EXPIRED.
May 03 12:51:36 <Ironholds>	the only way I could hurt you with them is if I threw them really hard at your head
May 03 12:51:55 <foks>	Ironholds, it's because you're a British white male
May 03 12:51:58 <foks>	easy
May 03 12:52:26 <foks>	Why would a British white student take arms into his own country(?)
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May 03 12:52:32 <foks>	But yes, stupidity
May 03 12:52:35 <Ironholds>	foks: what, they think I'll go "unhand my musketballs, you brigand!" and beat them with an ivory cane?
May 03 12:52:44 <Ironholds>	foks: read what you just said again
May 03 12:52:50 <Ironholds>	about British students wanting guns
May 03 12:52:52 <Ironholds>	then headdesk
May 03 12:52:57 <Ironholds>	:P
May 03 12:53:14 <foks>	Read the (?) at the end, indicating sarcasm
May 03 12:53:23 <Ironholds>	ooh, that's what it indicates? Fail.
May 03 12:53:27 <foks>	:P
May 03 12:53:43 <foks>	<3
May 03 12:53:45 *	Ironholds snorts, having had an amusing mental image
May 03 12:53:50 <Ironholds>	"what's the purpose of your visit?"
May 03 12:54:01 <Ironholds>	"I want to buy some guns so I can SHOOT UP THE DEFICIT-SUCKING GOVERNMENT"
May 03 12:54:07 <Ironholds>	"..welcome to America, son"
May 03 12:54:09 <foks>	:D
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May 03 12:56:40 <Ironholds>	foks: also, http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=9294138184493326603&q=osama+bin+laden+near+abbottabad&hl=en&view=feature&mcsrc=google_reviews&num=10&start=0&ie=UTF8&ll=34.189117,73.238377&spn=0,0&t=h&z=18
May 03 12:56:42 <Ironholds>	look at the reviews
May 03 12:57:03 <foks>	ahahah!
May 03 12:57:35 <foks>	trolling at its finest
May 03 12:57:35 <Ironholds>	the internet is so wonderful sometimes
May 03 12:57:49 <Ironholds>	"We were very surprised to see that they were just plain rude to us. They did not like westerners and were visibly upset when we landed our choppers"
May 03 12:57:58 <foks>	Wait, they did what to your hair?
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May 03 12:58:36 <Ironholds>	they molested it
May 03 12:58:43 <Ironholds>	well, they shoved their hands inside it
May 03 12:58:51 <Ironholds>	presumably to check I wasn't using it to smuggle stuff
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May 03 12:58:55 <Ironholds>	it was bloody weird.
May 03 12:59:01 <foks>	...like what
May 03 12:59:10 <foks>	Granted I don't know how long your hair is now
May 03 12:59:46 <Ironholds>	I don't know
May 03 12:59:50 <Ironholds>	expired AR-15 ammo, maybe
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May 03 13:12:05 <gde33>	I was wondering how is [[CONSPIRACY THEORIES]] not [[weasle wording]]?
May 03 13:12:25 <gde33>	have the cake and eat it to?
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May 03 13:23:52 <AzaToth>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#RENAME_ARTICLE:_Martyrdom_of_Osama_Bin_Laden ← LOL
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May 03 13:24:10 <Herodotus>	Cute.
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May 03 13:24:36 <Herodotus>	"Many of the new members of Parliament from the New Democrats in Quebec are little known and inexperienced and, in some cases, did not even campaign. Several of them are university students." The Tea Party should have adopted this strategy instead of race-baiting the Mexicans and... whatever Christine O'Donnell's "I'm not a witch" ad was.
May 03 13:25:08 <AzaToth>	Ironholds: "Beautiful view! Awesome life like firefight performance in the middle of the night, very realistic! Drawbacks include the smell of burning garbage, no phone, no internet, no booze on the room service menu and no sausage or bacon on the breakfast buffet. Amenities include a private helipad, gun range, and 18 foot security walls to keep you safe from the infidels! Room discounted if there are massive blood stains! " ツ
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May 03 13:26:23 <foks>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fox&diff=cur#interview_request
May 03 13:26:26 <foks>	DDDDD:
May 03 13:27:14 <Fluffernutter>	ooo, the girls all want 9to study) you
May 03 13:27:50 <foks>	:P
May 03 13:29:02 <foks>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13269677
May 03 13:29:04 <foks>	HAH
May 03 13:29:07 <foks>	IN YR FACE
May 03 13:29:22 <foks>	Ah, Chris Huhne.
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May 03 13:40:14 <Herodotus>	foks: Proportional makes more sense.
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May 03 13:41:29 <Herodotus>	<snerk> Proportional representation is how Hitler got elected.
May 03 13:41:53 <AzaToth>	Headbomb: godwin
May 03 13:41:57 <AzaToth>	Herodotus: *
May 03 13:42:00 <AzaToth>	blody tab
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May 03 13:53:01 *	Fluffernutter is catching up on the noticeboards...did BasketofPuppies really, REALLY stomp his foot and tell Casliber to stop being such a dramahwhore?
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May 03 13:54:33 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: and Bahamut fully protected an article he had been edit-warring over to stop a single user reverting things based on legal issues
May 03 13:54:55 *	Fluffernutter smirks
May 03 13:55:33 <Fluffernutter>	i can
May 03 13:55:43 <Fluffernutter>	t wait for BoP's next flameout
May 03 13:55:51 <Fluffernutter>	they're always so interesting
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May 03 14:45:23 <ZT>	I think that we should impose a system similar to DYK on AFD. If someone wants to start an AfD, he should provide to feedback to at least one AfD with no comments. What do you think?
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May 03 15:25:11 <Logan_>	Hey Ironholds.
May 03 15:25:31 <gde33>	I had an interesting idea for AFD.
May 03 15:26:26 <gde33>	when the article is nominated for deletion it is moved (including history) to one of the KEEP voters user space. Then a link is provided on the deleted page.
May 03 15:26:50 <gde33>	While the article futher matures users can add additonal deletion votes.
May 03 15:27:09 <Fluffernutter>	voting keep doesn't require the voter to take responsibility for the article
May 03 15:27:15 <Fluffernutter>	and i don't really think it should
May 03 15:27:32 <gde33>	We shoulddn't make the article inaccessible.
May 03 15:27:48 <Fluffernutter>	it's not inaccessible while it's being AfD'd
May 03 15:27:49 <gde33>	this makes it way to easy to just delete articles for nonsensical reasons
May 03 15:28:10 <Fluffernutter>	after an AfD closes as delete, it will be inaccessible. But not while the voting is going on.
May 03 15:28:24 <gde33>	It may be moved to a userspace right?
May 03 15:28:46 <gde33>	this should include the edit history so that more than just the mutilated deleted version is kept
May 03 15:28:59 <gde33>	then potential editors should be able to find the article.
May 03 15:29:06 <Fluffernutter>	i don't think i understand what you mean
May 03 15:29:09 <gde33>	unless it is total nonsense ofc
May 03 15:29:13 <Fluffernutter>	"mutilated deleted version"?
May 03 15:29:18 <gde33>	then it may still be deleted from the userspace
May 03 15:29:42 <gde33>	yes, oldest trick in the book. Before nominating an article for deletion you first delete most of it's content.
May 03 15:29:44 <Fluffernutter>	so wait, you are arguing that instead of articles being deleted, they should just be moved out of mainspace?
May 03 15:30:06 <gde33>	if the topic allows for this yes
May 03 15:30:17 <Fluffernutter>	that's a pretty big proposal to make
May 03 15:30:25 <gde33>	secrecy is nonsense
May 03 15:30:42 <Fumika>	If that happens, someone should request it moved to their userspace, not just have it be forced into it because they nom it.
May 03 15:30:48 <gde33>	trolls can sucessfully cover all their wrongdoings in the current system while the content is lost!
May 03 15:31:04 <Fluffernutter>	i mean, generally if you userify an article that's problematic, you're expected to, you know, fix it. Just userifying it to keep it from being deleted, however, is going to not go over very well
May 03 15:31:05 <gde33>	I'm not saying it should be forced, it should be the default decision
May 03 15:31:17 <gde33>	if you vote KEEP then you should feel some obligation to actually finish it
May 03 15:31:23 <Fluffernutter>	yeah that's not the case
May 03 15:31:37 <Fluffernutter>	if you vote KEEP, you are saying that you think the article meets our policies/guidelines
May 03 15:31:46 <Fluffernutter>	not that you are volunteering to work on it
May 03 15:31:54 <gde33>	yes, but others want to get rid of it
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May 03 15:32:06 <Fumika>	Because they feel is doesn't comply with policy
May 03 15:32:16 <gde33>	it shouldn't require effort to preserve the content
May 03 15:32:19 <Fumika>	If it just had issues they'd template spam it.
May 03 15:32:49 <gde33>	Fumika: most of the votes have nothing to do with the policy, there are utterly idiotic AFD's
May 03 15:33:09 <Fluffernutter>	so it sounds like you just have a bone to pick with how AfD functions
May 03 15:33:27 <gde33>	ehhhh it doesn't just sound that way. The AFD system doesn't work.
May 03 15:33:33 <gde33>	We can do better
May 03 15:34:03 <Fluffernutter>	yeah, but you can't step into an already-running process and start assigning people jobs they have no obligation to do
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May 03 15:34:14 <gde33>	The part where successfull trolling is complemented by deleting the evidence is not constructive
May 03 15:34:24 <Fluffernutter>	who's trolling?
May 03 15:34:45 <Fumika>	And the evidence is still visible to users with the appropriate rights.
May 03 15:34:56 <gde33>	right, but they have better things to do
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May 03 15:35:29 <Headbomb>	we need to have some regex filters or something
May 03 15:35:30 <Fluffernutter>	gde33, who is it that you believe is trolling in the way AfD currently works?
May 03 15:35:39 <closedmouth>	:)
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May 03 15:35:57 <Despatche>	what is sasl anyway
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May 03 15:36:07 <gde33>	tempting but I'm not going to give examples. I blame the AFD process for facilitating this behavior.
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May 03 15:36:34 <oona>	"off topic" :D
May 03 15:36:35 <Fluffernutter>	no, i don't mean names, gde33. I just mean that it sounds like you're extremely unhappy with one side of the keep/delete divide, but i can't figure out which it is
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May 03 15:36:36 <gde33>	It allows users who have nothing constructive to contribute to stalk and troll productive editors.
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May 03 15:36:39 <Despatche>	I like how he pings himself
May 03 15:36:39 <closedmouth>	thanks
May 03 15:36:45 <oona>	that's kind of an understatement
May 03 15:37:45 <Lara>	What's with the spam of the bullshit message?
May 03 15:38:00 <Fluffernutter>	been going on for months, Lara
May 03 15:38:01 <Fumika>	I guess someone wanted to spam.
May 03 15:38:04 <Lara>	Ah.
May 03 15:38:20 <Lara>	I blissfully avoided it by not idling in here.
May 03 15:38:46 <Lara>	So many wastes of carbon, dude.
May 03 15:38:48 <Lara>	So many.
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May 03 15:39:04 <Lara>	Hot.
May 03 15:39:04 <gde33>	if you really need an example, lets take the skeptic groups who elaboratly forum shop in order to erradicate everything they don't like.
May 03 15:39:48 <gde33>	truth is not a rule for inclusion but AFD has you believe otherwise
May 03 15:39:58 <Fluffernutter>	so you feel things are being deleted that ought not to be? (as opposed to feeling that too many people are voting keep without reason, which is what it initially sounded like you thought)
May 03 15:40:19 <gde33>	yes, and I don't have to provide examples because the artiles are not visible to me.
May 03 15:40:40 <closedmouth>	oh, how convenient
May 03 15:40:57 <gde33>	lol, NO that is the only problem I have with the process
May 03 15:41:11 <Fluffernutter>	gde33, you can often ask an admin to userify a deleted article for you if you want to continue to work on it
May 03 15:42:02 <gde33>	yes, but the deletionists start by deleting paragraphs and questioning everything added while reverting it in a kind of fake consensus.
May 03 15:42:28 <gde33>	the userfy article doesn't contain the article history.
May 03 15:42:58 <gde33>	At least I havent seen one like that
May 03 15:43:25 <Fluffernutter>	hm. i don't know about the technical limitations. i would have assumed that userification preserves page history
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May 03 15:43:50 <gde33>	That was my idea ;)
May 03 15:43:55 <matthewrbowker>	Fluffernutter: Yes, as it is a restore and then a move, I think.
May 03 15:44:07 <gde33>	it could be done I'm sure
May 03 15:44:08 <Fluffernutter>	yeah, that makes sense matthewrbowker
May 03 15:44:31 <gde33>	but then you don't have the red link with the "this article was deleted bla bla"?
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May 03 15:45:06 <Qcoder00>	Anyone care to check {{UK-LEG}} for me ?
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May 03 15:45:17 <Qcoder00>	I think it now covers most of the intended usages
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May 03 15:52:40 <Ironholds>	Delta: ears burning?
May 03 15:52:48 <Ironholds>	;p
May 03 15:52:51 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 03 15:54:06 <Delta>	Ironholds: getting sick of the idiots
May 03 15:54:56 <Ironholds>	Delta: he's a particularly headdesky case, yes
May 03 15:54:58 <Ironholds>	hence the ANI thread
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May 03 15:58:06 <Fluffernutter>	there seems to be an epidemic of IDHT lately
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May 03 15:58:36 <Ironholds>	IDHT?
May 03 15:58:43 <Fluffernutter>	I didn't hear that
May 03 15:58:44 <matthewrbowker>	I didn't hear that.
May 03 15:59:09 <Ironholds>	pardon?
May 03 15:59:25 *	Fluffernutter laughs
May 03 15:59:26 <matthewrbowker>	http://enwp.org/WP:IDHT
May 03 15:59:53 <matthewrbowker>	damnit lag...
May 03 15:59:54 <Fluffernutter>	I was saying that there is an epidemic of editors very determinedly "not hearing" when others tell them they're being utter wankstains
May 03 16:01:49 <Qcoder00>	Admin please
May 03 16:02:11 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Db-c1 - BOLD Edit, but it needs reformatting
May 03 16:02:36 <Tatsujin>	http://rt.com/news/wikileaks-revelations-assange-interview/
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May 03 16:03:36 <Qcoder00>	I'm suprised the UK authorities let Assange talk to RT , given that at times it sounds like the modern day Radio Moscow...
May 03 16:03:39 <Qcoder00>	:(
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May 03 16:06:01 <BarkingFish>	afternoon guys. Are oversighters assigned by project, or can an oversighter oversight anything anywhere?
May 03 16:06:37 <Theo10011>	by project as far as I know.
May 03 16:06:46 <Theo10011>	Stewards can oversight any project.
May 03 16:06:47 <BarkingFish>	damn
May 03 16:06:51 <Qcoder00>	Aren't there some Global oversighters?
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May 03 16:07:09 <Prodego>	they are called stewards
May 03 16:07:12 <Qcoder00>	what's the problem BarkingFish
May 03 16:07:13 <Theo10011>	Global sysops and rollbackers are the most common.
May 03 16:07:29 <BarkingFish>	I need to raise one, we've had someone leave some personal info on one of the sites I'm on and don't know whether we have any oversighters attached.
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May 03 16:07:45 <PM|AFK>	Stewards can't oversight on projects which have local oses
May 03 16:07:52 <Prodego>	if you go to Special:ListUsers
May 03 16:07:55 <Prodego>	it will tell you
May 03 16:07:58 <BarkingFish>	ok
May 03 16:08:00 <Prodego>	PM|AFK: it depends what, actually
May 03 16:08:19 <Prodego>	but generally they shouldn't be
May 03 16:09:17 <Delta>	Prodego: why do I always attract the crazies?
May 03 16:09:57 <Prodego>	Delta: probably because people the image guidelines are overly restrictive and that's annoying
May 03 16:10:03 <BarkingFish>	we do have local OS, 3 of them. Whether they're on or not is a different matter :)
May 03 16:10:14 <Qcoder00>	Hi Delta
May 03 16:10:29 <PM|AFK>	Mailing them would be a good idea
May 03 16:10:30 <Qcoder00>	Delta: Are you allowed to seek BAG approval at the moment?
May 03 16:10:34 <Theo10011>	BarkingFish mail them.
May 03 16:10:49 <Theo10011>	if it's an urgent matter, stewards can prob. help.
May 03 16:10:50 <Delta>	Qcoder00: what do you mean?
May 03 16:10:57 <Qcoder00>	Delta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Empty_categories - Could be quickly cleared by a bot
May 03 16:11:33 <Delta>	Qcoder00: bots shouldnt blindly tag those
May 03 16:11:34 <Qcoder00>	Given your previous history with bots I felt it was only fair to check if you still under mentoring
May 03 16:11:43 <Delta>	Qcoder00: some are empty on purpose
May 03 16:11:50 <Qcoder00>	Treu
May 03 16:12:00 <Qcoder00>	And I suspect in mnually tagging, some might get contested
May 03 16:12:32 <Qcoder00>	Hmm
May 03 16:12:42 <Delta>	Qcoder00: I dont have time for that but someone in #wikipedia-bag should be able to give you a hand if you still think its a good idea
May 03 16:12:51 <Qcoder00>	See my recent edit to the C1-CSD template
May 03 16:13:13 <Qcoder00>	I made a bold edit that says if you find it on a category to consider 'populating' the cateogry and removing it
May 03 16:14:06 <Tatsujin>	Qcoder00: RT is good for everything that doesn't have to do with russian internal affairs, for that you'll have to stick to other sources ;)
May 03 16:14:18 <Tatsujin>	I think RT is trying to clone Al Jazeera
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May 03 16:15:30 <Qcoder00>	Fluffernutter:  Hi
May 03 16:15:35 <Fluffernutter>	hi
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May 03 17:05:28 <mihaifireball>	DARTHSIDIOUS2 ?
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May 03 17:05:57 <LauraHale>	Is that derp?
May 03 17:06:10 <Fluffernutter>	don't think so
May 03 17:07:13 <LauraHale>	The name sounds tasty... like dark tasty chocolate.
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May 03 17:08:11 <ZT>	dark chocolate is never tasty ;/
May 03 17:08:44 <KFP>	LauraHale: [[Darth Sidious]]...
May 03 17:09:06 <LauraHale>	I love dark chocolate.  Not a fan of milk.
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May 03 17:15:48 <Lara>	Delta: You alright?
May 03 17:16:03 <Delta>	Lara: Im fine, laughing my ass off
May 03 17:16:07 <Lara>	Good.
May 03 17:16:09 <ZT>	[[Amphetamines and Friendly Fire Incidents]] wouldn't that be better if it was renamed to Drug use in the US military?
May 03 17:16:47 <Lara>	Delta: No more edit-warring, you. And talk page messages!
May 03 17:16:47 <Delta>	Lara: I new this guy didnt know NFC but Im shocked at his behavior now
May 03 17:16:59 <Delta>	Lara: those dont work
May 03 17:17:07 <Lara>	I was surprised he's already been educated by BlackKite.
May 03 17:17:17 <Lara>	But they cover your ass!
May 03 17:17:34 <Lara>	"Hey, I posted a message explaining why they were removed." Oh, so you did.... well then. <-- that's how it should go.
May 03 17:18:05 <Lara>	That way they can't bitch that you removed images without discussion.
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May 03 17:18:52 <methecooldude>	!link
May 03 17:19:09 <Lara>	Link to what?
May 03 17:19:19 <ZT>	everything!
May 03 17:19:22 <methecooldude>	Wrong channel :P
May 03 17:19:39 <Delta>	Lara: see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banknotes_of_the_New_Zealand_dollar and its talk page
May 03 17:20:04 <Delta>	note was left about removal on april 21st
May 03 17:20:20 <Lara>	Lots of tables, single image. That needs to be fixed.
May 03 17:20:20 <Delta>	Still not a comment even after the edit war
May 03 17:20:30 <Delta>	Lara: its been fixed
May 03 17:20:38 <Delta>	in regards to NFC
May 03 17:20:43 <Lara>	No, I mean those columns need to go.
May 03 17:20:52 <Lara>	But yea, see. Talk message thus asses covered.
May 03 17:21:20 <Delta>	and that did nothing
May 03 17:21:57 <Lara>	The images are still removed.
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May 03 17:23:29 <Lara>	The point is, if people want to fight, you have that to point to.
May 03 17:23:49 <Lara>	If they want to call you for edit-warring, you have "I am exempt as your edits violate policy, as explained on the talk page."
May 03 17:24:04 <Delta>	Lara: well Im off to eat see you in a bit
May 03 17:24:10 <Lara>	Otherwise they can claim ignorance and then drama ensues. Wastes time.
May 03 17:24:11 <Lara>	k
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May 03 18:07:09 <AzaToth>	fyi, here is the script I made to convert inline define references to list defined references on [[Death of Osama bin Laden]]: https://gist.github.com/ec7220609b5449cc4023
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May 03 18:07:58 <Logan_>	AzaToth: I think that already exists
May 03 18:08:19 <Qcoder00>	Experienced contributor requested
May 03 18:08:21 <AzaToth>	Logan_: havn't found any
May 03 18:08:28 <Logan_>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cyde/Ref_converter
May 03 18:08:35 <Logan_>	is that different?
May 03 18:08:38 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unforgiving_Tour is showing up in a template catagory
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May 03 18:08:49 <Qcoder00>	But the relevant part of the template is tagged noinclude
May 03 18:08:53 <AzaToth>	Logan_: that's not the same thing
May 03 18:09:07 *	Douche huggles AzaToth 
May 03 18:09:17 <AzaToth>	Logan_: unless that one also moves <ref/>:s into <references/>
May 03 18:09:32 <Logan_>	Qcoder00: fixed
May 03 18:09:37 <AzaToth>	using LDR makes the wikitext soo much easier to actually read
May 03 18:09:42 <Qcoder00>	Logan_: How?
May 03 18:09:48 <Logan_>	Qcoder00: the category was on the page :P
May 03 18:10:07 <Logan_>	plus, that navbox shouldn't be substed
May 03 18:10:10 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Template_categories_containing_articles BTW
May 03 18:10:31 <AzaToth>	Logan_: you understand?
May 03 18:10:36 <Logan_>	AzaToth: yes
May 03 18:10:41 <AzaToth>	[[WP:LDR]]
May 03 18:11:04 <AzaToth>	which imo should be guildeline to use always instead of IDR
May 03 18:11:29 <AzaToth>	IDR makes tagsoup
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May 03 18:11:38 <AzaToth>	Logan_: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden&diff=427261585&oldid=427261402
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May 03 18:12:25 <Logan_>	AzaToth: maybe VP to make it the officially recommended format?
May 03 18:12:36 <AzaToth>	I've thought about that
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May 03 18:15:56 <Kingpin13>	Huh? There's a bot request at VP to get a bot to change references to use names, btw.... I think, anyway
May 03 18:17:23 <AzaToth>	Kingpin13: ah
May 03 18:17:30 <AzaToth>	linky?
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May 03 18:18:22 <Kingpin13>	somewhere... I'll see if I can find it, maybe it was in an archive
May 03 18:18:33 <AzaToth>	ok
May 03 18:19:19 <Kingpin13>	Ah, I'm thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Bot_to_reduce_duplicate_references but maybe that's slightly different from what you were talking about
May 03 18:19:40 <AzaToth>	*slightly* ツ
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May 03 18:20:47 <AzaToth>	Kingpin13: I'm talking about to not define the content of the references inline, i.e. where the reference is made, but instead define it in <references/>, which results in highlt more readable wikitext when there are many references
May 03 18:21:17 <AzaToth>	Kingpin13: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(footnotes)#List-defined_references
May 03 18:21:44 <Kingpin13>	Uh huh, weird, I always thought you couldn't use a named reference before it was defined in the wiki-text
May 03 18:21:56 <AzaToth>	now in MOS, LDR are under "Advanced", imo, it should be prefered
May 03 18:22:04 <AzaToth>	Kingpin13: LDR was introduced 2009 :-P
May 03 18:22:14 <Kingpin13>	ah, maybe that's why :D
May 03 18:22:19 <AzaToth>	"As of September 2009, references may be defined within <references> </references> markup or with {{reflist}} using |refs= and invoked within the content. This can help separate large reftags with long cite entries from the ordinary text, making it easier to read and to edit."
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May 03 18:22:57 <Kingpin13>	looks pretty neat, but good luck getting the rest of the community to agree ;)
May 03 18:23:09 <AzaToth>	Kingpin13: why would they disagree?
May 03 18:23:14 <AzaToth>	they like tagsoup?
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May 03 18:26:13 <AzaToth>	Kingpin13: ever tried to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama&action=edit&section=2 ? ツ
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May 03 18:27:40 <Fae>	Note, open discussion with the WM-UK board is running on #wikimedia-uk until 7pm BST :)
May 03 18:28:21 <Qcoder00>	Any admins around?
May 03 18:28:38 <Qcoder00>	I'd like a user blocked from sending junk mail via Wikipedia.
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May 03 18:30:17 <Qcoder00>	[[User:Cooldenny]]'s just sent me something that  looks like junk mail - but could be a genuine survey
May 03 18:30:56 <Qcoder00>	The e-mail asks me to go to an off-wiki survey on Google docs...
May 03 18:31:04 <Qcoder00>	which I feel is bit suspect?
May 03 18:32:01 <Qcoder00>	Any admins care to comment?
May 03 18:32:29 <Kingpin13>	"ugh, not this again"
May 03 18:32:31 <Kingpin13>	you can quote me on that =p
May 03 18:32:41 <Thehelpfulone>	Qcoder00: look at thie guy's talk page
May 03 18:32:44 <Thehelpfulone>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cooldenny#Has_survey_spam_been_approved_by_the_community.3F
May 03 18:32:47 <Thehelpfulone>	etc
May 03 18:32:59 <Qcoder00>	OK
May 03 18:33:28 <ZT>	also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Invitation_to_a_Survey_for_a_Study_on_Motivation_to_Contribute_to_Wikipedia
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May 03 18:34:06 <Qcoder00>	Unless I get a clear , Yeah it's approaved , I'll be contacting the listed university to complain
May 03 18:34:33 <Theo10011>	Just ignore.
May 03 18:34:54 <Qcoder00>	I do NOT ignore spammers
May 03 18:35:09 <Theo10011>	I saw he was asking vandals to take part in the research.
May 03 18:35:09 <Qcoder00>	I make sure they feel the consequences of thier actions :)
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May 03 18:35:54 <Qcoder00>	At ther very least they should be blocked from sending out more junk
May 03 18:35:57 <Qcoder00>	*the
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May 03 18:37:19 <Theo10011>	oh noes, look out ED pills and penis-enlargement device marketers.
May 03 18:37:40 <Theo10011>	Qcoder00 will make you feel the consequences.
May 03 18:38:02 <Qcoder00>	Theo10011:   I've got spammers shut down before  :O
May 03 18:39:04 <Theo10011>	heh, more power to you, it's considerably more attention than I would be willing to give to it.
May 03 18:39:19 <Theo10011>	BTW
May 03 18:39:21 <Theo10011>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research/Projects/Motivation_to_Contribute_to_Wikipedia,_a_Collective_Work
May 03 18:39:37 <Theo10011>	that page^ directs to a google survey too, is that the link you got?
May 03 18:40:01 <Qcoder00>	I don't click suspect links
May 03 18:40:19 <Theo10011>	heh
May 03 18:40:45 <Qcoder00>	If they want to do a surevey there are  MediaWiki extensions that allow for secure voting/questionaires
May 03 18:41:01 <Fluffernutter>	the horrid english doesn't really help them look legit
May 03 18:41:02 <Qcoder00>	(Like got used for the license change poll?)
May 03 18:41:57 <Qcoder00>	Fluffernutter : At least it's not '  I <> former sysop at Nigeran Wikipedia need your assistance...'  XD
May 03 18:42:05 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 03 18:44:00 <Qcoder00>	Or an add for  Pupae porn... ;)
May 03 18:44:31 <Qcoder00>	(Commons has some image of insect pupae IIRC... )
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May 03 18:45:33 <Qcoder00>	I mean some people have enough confusion without havign to see insects 'in transition'  XD
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May 03 18:47:30 <Theo10011>	Fluffernutter the listed email address on the meta page links to a .kr provider, that might explain the horrid english.
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May 03 18:51:32 <Qcoder00>	Fluffernutter: I can't make intelligent jokes here?
May 03 18:51:35 <Fluffernutter>	huh?
May 03 18:51:56 <Qcoder00>	Ypu sighed?
May 03 18:52:10 <Qcoder00>	maybe I'm paranoid expecting an inquistion to show up every time.....
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May 03 18:52:55 <Fluffernutter>	oh, i wasn't sighing at you
May 03 18:53:00 <Fluffernutter>	it was a general "fml" sigh
May 03 18:53:00 <Qcoder00>	That's ok
May 03 18:53:05 <Qcoder00>	fml?
May 03 18:53:14 <Fluffernutter>	"fuck my life"
May 03 18:53:30 <Qcoder00>	Ah
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May 03 18:54:12 <Qcoder00>	Another funny I heard.. On other networks  'female' users will get harrased for ASL and stats....
May 03 18:57:51 <Qcoder00>	here on freenode , people don't ask for ASL,   they ask for Compiler /IDE/ Distro instaed... and the stats are usally figures for compilining speed....
May 03 18:57:52 <Qcoder00>	*compiling
May 03 18:57:54 <Qcoder00>	I mean typists talk about 40wpm  which means something quite different on freenode ;)
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May 03 18:57:55 <Qcoder00>	40 words (per millisecond) if the compiler is good ;)
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May 03 18:59:55 <Fenix2>	g'morning
May 03 18:59:55 <Qcoder00>	It's afternoon here
May 03 18:59:55 <Fenix2>	it's morning somewhere
May 03 18:59:59 <Fenix2>	like in Hawaii
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May 03 19:02:02 <geniice>	hmm I wounder what wikipedia's growth speed is in words per second
May 03 19:02:33 <geniice>	meanwhile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_in_volumes is comming along well
May 03 19:02:43 <Qcoder00>	It was once claimed in the internet age that you had a new document published every 8 mins
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May 03 19:03:54 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPages
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May 03 19:07:30 <guillom>	err, someone want to look at that? I don't think an role in *one* episode of Star Trek warrants a link to Memory Alpha, but I don't have time to follow-up on the edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeffrey_Dean_Morgan&curid=4998900&diff=427269292&oldid=426741780
May 03 19:07:37 <guillom>	a role*
May 03 19:07:39 <AzaToth>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Inline_defined_references_versus_list_defined_references ← posted now ツ
May 03 19:07:59 <guillom>	And there's quite a bit of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cbbkr
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May 03 19:19:41 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 03 19:19:59 *	Dragonfly6-7 pokes at Hedgehog456 with a sharp stick.
May 03 19:20:01 <Hedgehog456>	I was.... away
May 03 19:20:14 <Hedgehog456>	For two reasons
May 03 19:20:15 <derp>	:o
May 03 19:20:21 <derp>	pooping and shitting?
May 03 19:20:30 <Hedgehog456>	1) Writing an article and 2) Getting distracted by a forum somewhere
May 03 19:21:35 <Hedgehog456>	Mostly 2
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May 03 19:23:40 *	Fluffernutter pets kitteh
May 03 19:23:45 *	Dragonfly6-7 is encatted
May 03 19:23:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	for real
May 03 19:24:11 <Hedgehog456>	what does that mean again?
May 03 19:24:51 <Dragonfly6-7>	to be encatted?
May 03 19:25:10 <Fluffernutter>	keep kitteh on lap, not on keyboard
May 03 19:25:16 <Hedgehog456>	yes
May 03 19:25:21 <Dragonfly6-7>	Hedgehog456 - what do think it means?
May 03 19:25:25 <Dragonfly6-7>	compare 'encrusted'
May 03 19:25:25 <Hedgehog456>	has a cat?
May 03 19:25:35 <Fluffernutter>	it means he has a cat and is currently wearing it
May 03 19:25:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	not just 'has' a cat
May 03 19:25:36 <Hedgehog456>	is covered in cat?
May 03 19:25:37 <Dragonfly6-7>	yes
May 03 19:25:46 <derp>	Fluffernutter, you allergic to kitteh?
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May 03 19:26:09 <Hedgehog456>	I <3 my puppeh
May 03 19:26:55 <Hedgehog456>	She is cute
May 03 19:27:02 <Fluffernutter>	derp, yeah. I'm allergic to just about everything except dogs
May 03 19:27:15 <KFP>	Hedgehog456: Don't tell me you wrote an article about your puppy?
May 03 19:27:18 <Hedgehog456>	I'm allergic to pollen
May 03 19:27:22 <Hedgehog456>	KFP: No
May 03 19:27:29 <Hedgehog456>	The article is nowhere near finished
May 03 19:27:34 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 03 19:27:41 <Hedgehog456>	And it's not about my puppeh :P
May 03 19:27:46 <TBloemink>	no new votes for my gr request. meh.
May 03 19:27:51 *	derp used to be allergic until the doctor found out the right cocktail for me.
May 03 19:27:54 <Hedgehog456>	TBloemink: link
May 03 19:27:56 <TBloemink>	wanna bet it's about your puppeh Hedgehog456
May 03 19:28:08 <Hedgehog456>	derp: Molotov cocktail?
May 03 19:28:11 <TBloemink>	[[m:Steward requests/Global permissions]] I guess
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May 03 19:28:45 <Hedgehog456>	TBloemink: okay. if it's about my puppeh, i work, clearing both the reward board and bounty board. if it's not, you do it.
May 03 19:28:55 <TBloemink>	no thanks :P
May 03 19:29:06 <Hedgehog456>	you get rewards :P
May 03 19:29:06 <TBloemink>	its not about your puppeh anymore
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May 03 19:29:23 <Hedgehog456>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DogInKitchen.JPG
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May 03 19:29:29 <Hedgehog456>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DoginKitchen002.JPG
May 03 19:29:36 <Hedgehog456>	You must squee
May 03 19:29:47 <Fluffernutter>	i am still finding it hard to believe she doesn't have any corgi in her
May 03 19:29:48 <TBloemink>	cool puppeh
May 03 19:30:05 <Hedgehog456>	Fluffernutter: both her parents were pure JRTs
May 03 19:30:20 <Hedgehog456>	TBloemink: I'll deliver your compliment to her :D
May 03 19:30:33 <TBloemink>	in what form?
May 03 19:30:42 <LauraHale>	Fluffernutter: I might be able to leave New Zealand today!
May 03 19:30:45 <TBloemink>	some dog food?
May 03 19:30:48 <Fluffernutter>	yay LauraHale!
May 03 19:30:52 *	LauraHale huggles Qantas and watch the board for her gate
May 03 19:30:57 <Hedgehog456>	" TBloemink oogawooga eee-weee gave ooga you ooohh youcutepuppeh a compliment squeee oosagoodgirl "
May 03 19:31:01 <Fluffernutter>	haha
May 03 19:31:08 <derp>	Hedgehog456, medications
May 03 19:31:11 <TBloemink>	LauraHale: you're flying Qantas? What type of plane?
May 03 19:31:17 <derp>	i take 3 different medications in the summer.
May 03 19:31:27 <Hedgehog456>	derp: To pollen?
May 03 19:31:36 <LauraHale>	TBloemink: Don't know.  Aereolineas Argentinas put us on this
May 03 19:31:46 <LauraHale>	Never flying them again
May 03 19:31:54 <TBloemink>	oh wait, from NZ to Sydney is probably a 737 with personal screens exact the same on the A380
May 03 19:31:55 <TBloemink>	those are coowl
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May 03 19:32:00 <derp>	Hedgehog456, ragweed
May 03 19:32:03 <TBloemink>	or an a330
May 03 19:32:07 <TBloemink>	depends on your flight
May 03 19:32:10 <Hedgehog456>	derp: What's that?
May 03 19:32:28 <Hedgehog456>	oh
May 03 19:32:28 <derp>	a bad herb
May 03 19:32:30 <Hedgehog456>	a plant
May 03 19:32:59 <derp>	Each plant is reputed to be able to produce about a billion grains of pollen over a season
May 03 19:33:12 *	LauraHale is flying from Auckland to Sydney
May 03 19:33:12 <Hedgehog456>	derp: Hmm have you tried antihistamine pills?
May 03 19:33:16 <TBloemink>	LauraHale: I can check, but it depends on the destination, Sydney or Melbourne
May 03 19:33:18 <TBloemink>	ah
May 03 19:33:31 <LauraHale>	8am flight
May 03 19:33:33 <TBloemink>	an argentinas flight was cancelled today
May 03 19:33:43 <TBloemink>	tomorrow?
May 03 19:33:43 <LauraHale>	This was last night.
May 03 19:33:49 <derp>	Hedgehog456, that's what i'm onj
May 03 19:33:55 <TBloemink>	oh wait
May 03 19:33:56 <Hedgehog456>	three types?
May 03 19:33:56 <derp>	pescription grade reactine.
May 03 19:34:00 <Fenix2>	Hedgehog456: I used to be allergic to pollen
May 03 19:34:03 <Hedgehog456>	i only take ASDA ones
May 03 19:34:12 <Hedgehog456>	Fenix2: what cured you?
May 03 19:34:15 <LauraHale>	Flight for AR was canceled yesterday morning.  Either the toilet was broken or there were securitty issues.  AR was awful communication wise.
May 03 19:34:21 *	derp hugs LauraHale
May 03 19:34:30 <Fenix2>	Hedgehog456: I ate the stuff and that took care of it
May 03 19:34:32 <TBloemink>	Ok, then it is May 4 obviously
May 03 19:34:42 <TBloemink>	http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByFlight.do?id=224130650&airlineCode=AR&flightNumber=1182&departureDate=2011-05-03
May 03 19:34:42 <Hedgehog456>	Fenix2: the stuff?
May 03 19:34:48 <Hedgehog456>	you ate pollen?
May 03 19:34:55 <Fenix2>	Hedgehog456: Birch flowerings
May 03 19:35:03 <LauraHale>	I'm a time traveler from the future. :)
May 03 19:35:04 <Hedgehog456>	hmm
May 03 19:36:00 <Fenix2>	Hedgehog456: I thought my method would be strongly cautioned against by doctors but at least richardcavell said that the method is sane
May 03 19:36:02 <LauraHale>	AR is awful. :(
May 03 19:36:13 <LauraHale>	But yay! back home to Aus!
May 03 19:36:16 <TBloemink>	LauraHale: it is QF 142, scheduled departure 8:00 AM, from terminal I
May 03 19:36:20 <LauraHale>	Gping to rent a car.
May 03 19:36:20 <Hedgehog456>	Fenix2: who's he?
May 03 19:36:23 <LauraHale>	Yep. :D
May 03 19:36:30 <Fenix2>	Hedgehog456: a doctor that sometimes hangs in here
May 03 19:36:32 <TBloemink>	it is an 737-800H, which has personal entertainment screens as big as on the A380
May 03 19:36:32 *	LauraHale is starting the the departure board in the terminal
May 03 19:36:41 <LauraHale>	NICE. :D
May 03 19:36:43 <TBloemink>	which is very cool
May 03 19:36:51 <LauraHale>	Then I can put my laptop in the overhead bin.
May 03 19:36:59 <TBloemink>	for 3 hours (I had a 737-400 from AKL to SYD, which has overhead screens)
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May 03 19:37:11 <LauraHale>	Ah :)
May 03 19:37:20 <TBloemink>	qantas isn't bad, especially their a380 rocks, with a self service bar in the back
May 03 19:37:26 <LauraHale>	Well the AR flight was awful for the hour we sat on the plane and did nothing.
May 03 19:37:34 *	TBloemink likes emirates better though, they fly the A380 from auckland to sydney
May 03 19:37:48 <LauraHale>	I've done emirates to Auckland I think.
May 03 19:38:12 <TBloemink>	On a very very super-duper big plane with 2 stories?
May 03 19:38:15 <LauraHale>	Or maybe it was etihad.  I flew from Melbourne the last time.
May 03 19:38:30 <Fluffernutter>	hm, who here speaks british english? Hedgehog456, you do, right?
May 03 19:38:37 <Hedgehog456>	yep
May 03 19:38:40 <LauraHale>	Two story plane yes.
May 03 19:38:44 <Hedgehog456>	Fluffernutter: Proud Brit
May 03 19:38:55 <Hedgehog456>	why?
May 03 19:39:12 <TBloemink>	like this one: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Emirates_A380_2.JPG
May 03 19:39:14 <TBloemink>	?
May 03 19:39:29 <Fluffernutter>	Hedgehog456: if someone had a "seizure" in briteng, did they have a [[Epileptic seizure]] or a [[Stroke]]?
May 03 19:39:45 <TBloemink>	LauraHale: awesome, then you have flown on the A380
May 03 19:40:01 <LauraHale>	:D
May 03 19:40:12 <Hedgehog456>	Usually seizure is applied to mean an epileptic seizure, while a stroke is known as a stroke
May 03 19:40:14 <LauraHale>	I've also done Pacific Blue to Auckland.
May 03 19:40:17 <TBloemink>	Emirates' a380 is very cool, has a shower in first class XD
May 03 19:40:19 <Fluffernutter>	hum
May 03 19:40:25 <LauraHale>	This is my third from Aussie trip to New Zealand.
May 03 19:40:31 <TBloemink>	I was on economy class btw
May 03 19:40:44 <Hedgehog456>	Fluffernutter: mm, why?
May 03 19:41:01 *	LauraHale always flies cheap. :) It is how I got stuck here.
May 03 19:41:01 <TBloemink>	but that entertainment, wow, I wasn't bored for the whole 6 hours on that plane, especially the tail camera is an awesome feature
May 03 19:41:07 <LauraHale>	On that note, turning off my computer.  Later!
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May 03 19:41:27 <Fluffernutter>	oh, i'm cleaning up Ironhold's latest article. He mentioned to me something about the guy having had strokes, but in the article and sources the word is "seizure." So i'm trying to figure out what to wl it to
May 03 19:42:00 <Fluffernutter>	it would appear that he misspoke
May 03 19:42:02 <TBloemink>	that's this one btw, from auckland to sydney: http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByFlight.do?id=224235057&airlineCode=EK&flightNumber=413&departureDate=2011-05-04
May 03 19:42:32 <Hedgehog456>	Fluffernutter: is the source a British source?
May 03 19:42:36 <Fluffernutter>	Antiguan
May 03 19:42:46 <Fluffernutter>	which i am assuming is closer to your english than mine
May 03 19:43:05 <Fluffernutter>	anyway, i checked another source which referred to his body shaking as he fell
May 03 19:43:09 <Fluffernutter>	so that'd be a seizure and not a stroke
May 03 19:43:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	Fluffernutter - well, careful.
May 03 19:43:20 <Dragonfly6-7>	Fluffernutter - what epoch was this?
May 03 19:43:23 <Fluffernutter>	modern
May 03 19:43:28 <Dragonfly6-7>	define 'modern'
May 03 19:43:31 <Fluffernutter>	[[Vere Bird, Jr.]]
May 03 19:43:32 <Dragonfly6-7>	twentieth century?
May 03 19:43:33 <Dragonfly6-7>	okay
May 03 19:44:11 <Dragonfly6-7>	..... yes, definitely a seizure
May 03 19:44:26 <Dragonfly6-7>	all you had to do was say he was still alive, by the way
May 03 19:45:11 <Fluffernutter>	that would have been too easy :P
May 03 19:45:34 <geniice>	Fluffernutter whats the drama you were tweeting about?
May 03 19:45:57 *	Fluffernutter squints at geniice. You read my tweets?
May 03 19:46:04 <geniice>	sometimes
May 03 19:46:22 <Fluffernutter>	I was talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Bahamut0013_using_admin_tools_as_an_involved_user
May 03 19:46:33 <Fluffernutter>	(I didn't know anyone who didn't know me irl read me)
May 03 19:46:46 <foks>	I read them!
May 03 19:46:48 <foks>	):
May 03 19:46:57 <Fluffernutter>	you know me irl, foksy
May 03 19:46:59 <Fluffernutter>	relatively speaking
May 03 19:47:31 <geniice>	oh betacommand
May 03 19:47:46 <geniice>	I seem to recall I unblocked him once
May 03 19:49:14 <geniice>	eh it's not the first time we've had experienced users get in a mess over copyright
May 03 19:50:03 <Guerillero>	MickMacNee has the right idea
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May 03 19:53:11 <Fluffernutter>	i couldn't wade through MMN's tl;dr
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May 03 19:54:31 <Guerillero>	it was tl;dr
May 03 19:54:40 <Fluffernutter>	paragraphs would have helped
May 03 19:54:47 <Guerillero>	but a 2 second skim brought up some jems
May 03 19:54:48 <Fluffernutter>	but my brain just tunes out walls o'texrt
May 03 19:56:23 <Guerillero>	to have on each thread opened here a random article for improvement atatched to the thread and anyone wanting to comment in the thread here would first have to make an improvement edit to the random nominated article
May 03 19:56:33 <Guerillero>	Thats going on my user page
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May 03 20:01:58 <geniice>	vote yes to AV because the "no" side are prats
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May 03 20:05:33 <MuZemike>	lol, http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/epic-fail-photos-probably-bad-news-video-placement-fail.jpg
May 03 20:08:08 <Hedgehog456>	haja
May 03 20:08:10 <Hedgehog456>	haha
May 03 20:08:13 <Hedgehog456>	*haha
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May 03 20:12:45 <MuZemike>	How come this user only got a {{uw-vand1}} when he's been around for quite a while? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cunnety#May_2011
May 03 20:13:35 <MuZemike>	Those Hugglers 9_9
May 03 20:13:41 <geniice>	because his previous edits don't appear to have been vandalism
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May 03 20:17:29 <Hedgehog456>	He should know, geniice
May 03 20:17:35 <Hedgehog456>	I agree with MuZemike
May 03 20:18:17 <Hedgehog456>	But Hugglers don't have the time to check that :P
May 03 20:18:40 <MuZemike>	Hitting that "Q" button doesn't help much in situations like this.
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May 03 20:18:45 <Guerillero>	whats wrong with people who use higgle
May 03 20:18:50 <Guerillero>	huggle*
May 03 20:19:38 <MuZemike>	I have nothing against Huggle, it's that sometimes the over-mechanical way of the software sometimes go against common sense.
May 03 20:19:43 <foks>	^
May 03 20:19:47 <Hedgehog456>	Guerillero: I don't use Higgle. Tell me what it's like
May 03 20:20:04 <Guerillero>	:|
May 03 20:20:09 <foks>	Huggle is good for 90% of vandalism, just stuff like that slips through
May 03 20:20:40 *	MuZemike used to do a bit of Huggling himself when he first got rollback
May 03 20:21:11 <Hedgehog456>	Does it work on Linux? If not I'll have to do without some Higgle magic
May 03 20:21:31 <MuZemike>	Doesn't work with WINE?
May 03 20:21:41 <Qcoder00>	Right
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May 03 20:22:04 <Hedgehog456>	MuZemike: It does, just looks ugly
May 03 20:22:07 <Qcoder00>	Anyone got objections to an attempt at clearing unused template backlog by submitting a VAST number of TFD's?
May 03 20:22:23 <Qcoder00>	Bearing in mind this is the infamous Sfan00_IMG talking
May 03 20:22:51 <Fluffernutter>	people often object to mass XfDs
May 03 20:23:19 <foks>	I CAN'T GET WINE TO WORK
May 03 20:23:21 <foks>	):
May 03 20:23:25 <MuZemike>	People often object to mass anything.
May 03 20:23:27 <foks>	(Then again I don't have Linux.)
May 03 20:23:36 <Fluffernutter>	people often object to just about anything, actually
May 03 20:23:55 <Qcoder00>	Fluffnutter: Some people get upset when people hold mass debates on forums online
May 03 20:24:03 <Qcoder00>	(Sorry folks :( )
May 03 20:24:14 <foks>	No prob-- oh.
May 03 20:24:21 <foks>	*rimshot*
May 03 20:24:23 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 03 20:24:31 <Prodego>	Qcoder00: go for it
May 03 20:24:33 *	Fluffernutter shakes fist, will give foks something to be sorry about
May 03 20:24:38 <foks>	:D
May 03 20:24:45 <Hedgehog456>	Qcoder00: Damn, does this mean I'll have to close my forum down?
May 03 20:24:49 <Prodego>	unless you think you can just delete them all
May 03 20:24:56 <Hedgehog456>	It hasn't even opened yet!
May 03 20:25:00 <Qcoder00>	Prodego:  Unused templates
May 03 20:25:09 <Qcoder00>	There isn't a CSD for unused template
May 03 20:25:15 <Qcoder00>	So they have to go for TfD
May 03 20:25:25 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Unused_templates
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May 03 20:26:48 <Guerillero>	there are a few of them that are subst templates
May 03 20:27:21 <ZT>	can I start a massive AfD for most of the articles of this category [[Category:1913 films]]?
May 03 20:27:39 <Guerillero>	no
May 03 20:27:44 <Guerillero>	well yes
May 03 20:27:53 <Qcoder00>	ZT: On what bais?
May 03 20:27:55 <Fluffernutter>	but no
May 03 20:27:58 <Guerillero>	but I doubt it would go over well
May 03 20:28:05 <Fluffernutter>	^
May 03 20:28:08 <Fluffernutter>	it never does
May 03 20:28:21 <Qcoder00>	Guerillero:  I am checking carefully and not tagging some of them
May 03 20:28:47 <Prodego>	Qcoder00: mm hmm of course they 'have' to
May 03 20:29:26 <Prodego>	will there be more complaining if you just delete them or if you tfd them. Choose whichever one minimizes that.
May 03 20:29:31 <Hedgehog456>	ZT: Meh
May 03 20:29:36 <Prodego>	it'll depend how unused they are
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May 03 20:30:10 <ZT>	most of them aren't notable and it'd take me too long to AfD them one-by-one.
May 03 20:30:31 <Guerillero>	I bet there are books about most of them
May 03 20:31:04 <Hedgehog456>	I'm not bothered
May 03 20:31:10 <Guerillero>	I wonder If I can find the full length films of most of them
May 03 20:31:24 <Guerillero>	PD-US 1923 works
May 03 20:31:48 <ZT>	ofc you can on archives.org probably but what would happen if I started one large 200-article AfD nom?
May 03 20:32:25 <Qcoder00>	I prefer TfD
May 03 20:32:32 <Qcoder00>	At least there's then a disscussion
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May 03 20:33:23 <Guerillero>	TfD is fun. Its normally not contentious
May 03 20:33:44 <ZT>	isn't TfD just about templates?
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May 03 20:34:31 <Guerillero>	yes
May 03 20:34:43 <Guerillero>	and 90% of them are unused
May 03 20:35:08 <Guerillero>	or used only once
May 03 20:36:21 <Guerillero>	ZT: did you see the huge churches AfD?
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May 03 20:36:43 <MuZemike>	Yeah, really serving the purpose of the encyclopedia. </sarcasm>
May 03 20:36:56 <ZT>	Btw from what I've checked so far we should probably delete about 500.000 articles or even more and afterwards make NN guidelines stricter.
May 03 20:37:25 <Fluffernutter>	hoo boy, them's fightin' words
May 03 20:37:41 <Guerillero>	what mike?
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May 03 20:38:12 <Qcoder00>	ZT:  Only if you start to hive some of the less notable ones to Wikia's
May 03 20:38:27 <Qcoder00>	(LIke minor obscure railway halts only the resident  trainspotter knows about ...)
May 03 20:38:40 <Guerillero>	ZT: If you can get them to kill all of the high schools and towns with 50 people let me know
May 03 20:38:46 <Guerillero>	I will throw a party
May 03 20:38:59 <MuZemike>	Guerillero: Was referring to all the useless templates out there.
May 03 20:39:12 <Guerillero>	*coughonirccough*
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May 03 20:39:25 <ZT>	well yeah wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not some kind of directory for all the unknown one-line people/bands/albums/whatever subjects
May 03 20:39:44 <MuZemike>	Anyways, if you go to the strategy wiki, there are people who think that even deleting an article such as [[Nigger baseball]] is "harming the encyclopedia.
May 03 20:40:09 <Guerillero>	I am on outreach
May 03 20:40:11 <MuZemike>	Or [[Jorge loves Patty Escuela]]
May 03 20:40:17 <Guerillero>	but I have yet to visit stratgy
May 03 20:40:21 <topaz>	this is weird: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Higher_education_bubble&action=history
May 03 20:40:25 <topaz>	the last two edits.
May 03 20:40:36 <MuZemike>	Or [[Gay ass shit]]
May 03 20:40:37 <topaz>	a few hours apart, both from brand new accounts
May 03 20:40:54 <topaz>	both with perfect citation style.
May 03 20:41:23 <topaz>	I can't see any clear promotional stuff going on in the edits but it's bothersome.
May 03 20:41:27 <Prodego>	could be some sort of project
May 03 20:41:37 <topaz>	yeah, that occurred to me. Class project or what have you.
May 03 20:41:40 *	Guerillero goes to visit the wiki
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May 03 20:42:30 <ZT>	MuZemike: did you see that ridiculous list of guests at prince William and Kate Middleton's marriage article? That didn't get deleted ***just*** because of the fanboyism
May 03 20:42:32 <MuZemike>	Or [[S@rey S@vy]]
May 03 20:42:35 <Qcoder00>	Prodego: Please check Sfan00_IMG's recent contribs
May 03 20:42:46 <Qcoder00>	I need feedback on  what I am reffering to TfD
May 03 20:43:03 <MuZemike>	Where's that WP:SLOBBERINGFANBOY essay TenPoundHammer said he was going to write?
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May 03 20:43:14 <Qcoder00>	And basicly as , more agressive, less agressive, STOP!!,
May 03 20:43:17 <BarkingFish>	did that list actually get nailed then?
May 03 20:43:22 <Qcoder00>	sort of feedback
May 03 20:43:24 <Prodego>	yes I see them
May 03 20:43:47 <Headbomb>	speaking of feedback, i need to be fed
May 03 20:43:57 <Headbomb>	which leaves the question.. what to eat...
May 03 20:44:18 <Guerillero>	TPH's essays are great
May 03 20:44:24 <Fenix2>	ZT: one royal couple wedded, 24 opposition supporters shot by police in Syria ... this fo
May 03 20:44:32 <Fluffernutter>	Headbomb: i have been having fantasies about a big pot of pasta and tomato sauce when i get home tonight. This is how I know I ate out way too much with IH
May 03 20:44:37 <Guerillero>	his mass deletions of everything are not
May 03 20:44:43 <Fenix2>	.. this concludes what happened on Apr 29, Friday
May 03 20:45:06 <Headbomb>	you want to fuck a pot of pasta?
May 03 20:45:10 <Headbomb>	suit yourself
May 03 20:45:10 <Qcoder00>	Guerillero:  You do know who Sfan00_IMG is?
May 03 20:45:29 <Headbomb>	but pasta does sound fucking nice
May 03 20:45:29 <Guerillero>	'no
May 03 20:45:34 <Fluffernutter>	hm, you didn't mock the part i predicted. way to be creative.
May 03 20:45:36 <Headbomb>	and i got the best pasta sauce in the world
May 03 20:45:40 <Fenix2>	o.0 hehehe
May 03 20:45:47 <BarkingFish>	oh for fucks sake.  Bloody fanboys.  The wedding is notable, notability is not inherited, and some of the people at that wedding I doubt many will have heard of.
May 03 20:45:49 <BarkingFish>	It's bollocks :)
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May 03 20:46:01 <thrashout>	Is it true wikipedia originally failed on it's first launch? :?
May 03 20:46:04 <BarkingFish>	I smell a DR.
May 03 20:46:06 <Headbomb>	so pasta it is
May 03 20:46:10 <Fluffernutter>	yay pasta
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May 03 20:46:50 <Guerillero>	Qcoder00: should I?
May 03 20:46:59 <Qcoder00>	ROFL
May 03 20:47:19 *	Guerillero yawns
May 03 20:47:43 <Fenix2>	srsly ppl c'mon
May 03 20:48:21 <Fluffernutter>	what's your problem, Fenix2?
May 03 20:48:30 <Fenix2>	otoh hehehe does he know.. WHO?!!?
May 03 20:48:32 <Guerillero>	this would involve me giving a fuck about the inclusionist-exclsionist divide I think
May 03 20:49:01 <ZT>	that wiki-ad about the 3mil+ articles is really annoying. Just because many people write articles about unknown myspace bands, it doesn't mean that it's something we should be proud of.
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May 03 20:49:30 <Fluffernutter>	Guerillero: never do anything that requires you to give a fuck
May 03 20:50:08 <Guerillero>	sounds good fluff
May 03 20:50:19 *	Fluffernutter nods firmly
May 03 20:50:51 <Fenix2>	Fluffernutter: this .. "[22:45]	Qcoder00	Guerillero: You do know who Sfan00_IMG is?2
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May 03 20:53:50 <Guerillero>	ZT: this band only played 12 gigs and put out 4 songs on a small label http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_of_Alert&oldid=55718344
May 03 20:54:23 <FT2>	anyone skilled at article layout, float, etc?  Got a pain in the neck layout problem
May 03 20:54:24 <Guerillero>	but three books have long sections about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Alert
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May 03 20:57:13 <Guerillero>	Fenix2: the archives say he has done some good files work
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May 03 20:57:43 <Fenix2>	Guerillero: he's having you on... Qcoder00 _is_ SFan01_IMG
May 03 20:57:59 <Fenix2>	or whatever his wikiname is
May 03 20:58:00 <Qcoder00>	Sfan00_IMG
May 03 20:58:06 <Qcoder00>	Guerillero:  LOL
May 03 20:58:16 <Qcoder00>	You havent' looked far enough back then
May 03 20:58:28 <ZT>	Guerillero: there aren't any long sections, and as far as I can tell they're used as sources for the members/disbandment etc. and getting mentioned three times in few (semi)-tertiary specific books is nowhere near being notable for inclusion. In fact if you nomed that I'd be the first to say "Delete"
May 03 20:58:37 <Qcoder00>	6 Trips to ANI , an RFC/U And at least 3 near-bans
May 03 20:58:46 <Qcoder00>	All for being 'too-effcient' ;)
May 03 20:58:55 <Guerillero>	fun
May 03 20:59:26 <SpitfireWP>	Next they'll be saying you're failing to get the point.
May 03 20:59:31 *	SpitfireWP shakes his head woefully.
May 03 20:59:39 <PeterSymonds>	Haha.
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May 03 21:00:13 <Qcoder00>	SpitfireWP:  In relation to?
May 03 21:00:38 <SpitfireWP>	Qcoder00, wait, are you carrying on the joke, or...? >_>
May 03 21:01:05 <PeterSymonds>	I don't think Qcoder00 does jokes.
May 03 21:01:06 <Qcoder00>	Who says I was joking?
May 03 21:01:12 <PeterSymonds>	Well, not ones we understand.
May 03 21:01:13 <Qcoder00>	PeterSymonds : I do
May 03 21:01:15 <SpitfireWP>	Heh.
May 03 21:02:05 <Qcoder00>	But the underdeveloped level of your puny earthling comprehension of funny can't comprehend the complexity of our vastly more developed wit...
May 03 21:02:14 <geniice>	forrest fires? in britian?
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May 03 21:02:21 <Qcoder00>	geniice: Yep
May 03 21:02:23 <Qcoder00>	:(
May 03 21:03:02 <Qcoder00>	Cue bad jokes from the Aussies about ' You call  THAT a WILDFIRE?' ;)
May 03 21:03:17 <Qcoder00>	Too soon?
May 03 21:03:50 <PeterSymonds>	Any chanops?
May 03 21:04:05 <Fluffernutter>	er, aren't you one?
May 03 21:04:25 <PeterSymonds>	Never mind.
May 03 21:04:30 <SpitfireWP>	lol.
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May 03 21:06:28 <Qcoder00>	BTW I am expecting something to break soon , given the number of TfD requests I am generating
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May 03 21:12:20 <Guer|civ>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2011_May_3#Template:Citizen_corps
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May 03 21:16:12 <Gfoley4>	any wikipedians in the Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington area?
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May 03 21:16:50 <Qcoder00>	Guer|civ:  Why mention that here?
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May 03 21:18:12 <Guer|civ>	you could have just T3ed it
May 03 21:18:27 <Glass_Arm>	Qcoder00: Those people might have relevant information to the asker
May 03 21:18:35 <Glass_Arm>	which works better than Google
May 03 21:18:50 <Qcoder00>	TFD means there is a dbate
May 03 21:19:03 <Qcoder00>	*debate
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May 03 21:41:41 <Peter-C>	https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226853_10150174376789190_241481734189_6619073_7898830_n.jpg
May 03 21:42:29 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 03 21:42:32 <MuZemike>	IMO, if you're going to do a "deletion spree", you got to split it up and pace yourself.
May 03 21:43:02 <Glass_Arm>	Deletion spree sounds like vandalism
May 03 21:43:26 <MuZemike>	If you think getting rid of junk is vandalism, but I don't buy into that.
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May 03 21:43:32 *	Fluff|sleep is now known as Fluffernutter
May 03 21:43:42 *	derp showers Hedgehog456 with smiles ☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺
May 03 21:44:04 *	Hedgehog456 goggles at the Unicode
May 03 21:44:09 <Hedgehog456>	or whatever
May 03 21:44:13 <Hedgehog456>	special characters
May 03 21:44:34 *	Barras is now known as Ranon
May 03 21:44:37 <Gfoley4>	Fluffernutter in da house
May 03 21:44:46 <Gfoley4>	o/
May 03 21:45:02 <Fluffernutter>	hi
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May 03 21:49:50 <ZT>	[[Persepolis F.C. 6–0 Taj Tehran F.C.]] {{facepalm}}
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May 03 21:50:01 <geniice>	Peter-C err thats so it can be read in the rear view mirror
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May 03 21:51:42 <KFP>	ZT: Oh my.
May 03 21:52:36 *	Fluffernutter throws Peter-C at the wall
May 03 21:52:46 <ZT>	KFP: ...and because there's no proper CSD tag I'll have to either AfD or PROD that.
May 03 21:52:59 *	Hedgehog456 catches Peter-C
May 03 21:53:14 <MuZemike>	Wow, a football match from 1973.
May 03 21:53:19 *	Hedgehog456 gives Peter-C back to Fluffernutter and encourages her to throw a bit harder
May 03 21:53:55 *	Hedgehog456 wipes the blood marks off the wall and measures the terminal velocity
May 03 21:54:10 *	Fluffernutter re-throws
May 03 21:54:14 *	Hedgehog456 congratulates Fluffernutter on a fantastic new throwing record
May 03 21:54:26 *	Hedgehog456 reassembles the P_eter-C
May 03 21:54:43 <ZT>	we should add event notability on CSD A7 to make dealing with these articles easier
May 03 21:55:09 <Gfoley4>	nah
May 03 21:55:16 <Gfoley4>	wait, event?
May 03 21:56:02 <ZT>	Gfoley4: I can't CSD that, because there is no CSD tag about it, so I'll AfD/PROD it
May 03 21:56:28 <Gfoley4>	but, what do you mean by event?
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May 03 21:57:51 <DespatcheOW>	I love wikipedia
May 03 21:58:20 <ZT>	matches, brawls, murders, protests and anything that can qualify as a "happening"
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May 03 22:00:19 <Gfoley4>	ah
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May 03 22:04:31 <ZT>	...or even lists of guests of marriages of people that happen to be part of the royalty *ahem* ;)
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May 03 22:10:56 <Hedgehog456>	Bye
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May 03 22:41:15 <Fluffernutter>	ow
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May 03 22:41:22 <Fluffernutter>	boiling water hurts when it splashes
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May 03 22:43:17 *	MacMed doesn't splash :D
May 03 22:44:27 <matthewrbowker>	Fluffernutter: Don't do that, it hurts.
May 03 22:44:47 <Fluffernutter>	that's very helpful to note, thank you
May 03 22:44:58 *	Fluffernutter is having an uncoordinated day
May 03 22:45:14 <Fluffernutter>	every time i go to stir my pasta, i end up flinging boiling water around
May 03 22:45:48 <geniice>	don't worry spashes of boiling water don't generaly do significant damage and can be ignored
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May 03 22:46:12 <Fluffernutter>	well, the finger i burned kind fo disagrees with the "can be ignored" part
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May 03 22:46:56 <matthewrbowker>	Just wait a few hours :P
May 03 22:48:22 <geniice>	Huggle n.
May 03 22:48:24 <geniice>	    Rollback that has washed down the crack-cocaine with a Red Bull.
May 03 22:48:41 <Fluffernutter>	...?
May 03 22:48:44 <Dragonfly6-7>	Fluffernutter - you didn't burn it. You scalded it.
May 03 22:48:50 <Dragonfly6-7>	There's a significant medical difference.
May 03 22:48:58 <Fluffernutter>	yes, dear
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May 03 22:49:38 <geniice>	"Pain, even agony, is no more than information before the senses, data fed to the computer of the mind. The lesson is simple: you have received the information, now act on it. Take control of the input and you shall become master of the output. "
May 03 22:49:40 <geniice>	Sheng-Ji Yang
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May 03 22:50:24 <geniice>	Fluffernutter  defintion for huggle on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiSpeak
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May 03 22:51:12 <MacMed>	does "File:102318.1010.A.jpg" qualify for R3 CSD
May 03 22:51:42 <geniice>	MacMed>	yes
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May 03 22:52:00 <MuZemike>	Make sure all redirects are fixed before deleting it, though.
May 03 22:52:18 *	MacMed is not admin :D just taggin'
May 03 22:53:06 <Peter-C>	MACMED
May 03 22:53:34 <MacMed>	sup peta
May 03 22:53:58 <Thehelpfulone>	[[File:102318.1010.A.jpg]]
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May 03 22:54:31 <MacMed>	!link
May 03 22:54:34 <MacMed>	awh
May 03 22:54:39 <Thehelpfulone>	heh
May 03 22:54:40 <Fluffernutter>	no bots here
May 03 22:54:51 *	Peter-C glomps MacMed
May 03 22:54:57 <Peter-C>	Fluffernutter - GUESS THAT
May 03 22:54:59 <Peter-C>	*WHAT
May 03 22:55:04 <Thehelpfulone>	deleted
May 03 22:55:05 <Thehelpfulone>	:)
May 03 22:55:05 *	MacMed super-glomps Peter-C 
May 03 22:55:06 *	FAdmArcher is now known as FAdmArcher|food
May 03 22:55:15 <Peter-C>	A AOL company wants to post my blog :D
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May 03 22:55:18 <MacMed>	thanks. you really are helpful ;) heh
May 03 22:55:18 <Peter-C>	*blog posts
May 03 22:55:20 <MacMed>	thats cool peter
May 03 22:55:20 <MuZemike>	while you're at it, get the rest of 'em at [[User:Chzz/dsc]].
May 03 22:55:22 <Peter-C>	I know! :D
May 03 22:55:27 <Peter-C>	patch.com
May 03 22:55:28 <Fluffernutter>	post them where, in what context, and how much will they pay you?
May 03 22:55:29 <Peter-C>	But still
May 03 22:55:31 <Peter-C>	it's something
May 03 22:55:40 <Peter-C>	Erm... it's free...
May 03 22:55:46 <Peter-C>	And I will get a lot of PR :D
May 03 22:55:49 <MuZemike>	Or reupload to Commons if free and delete here.
May 03 22:56:07 <Fluffernutter>	and what will you do with that PR?
May 03 22:56:20 <Peter-C>	Get people to vist my site!
May 03 22:56:22 <Peter-C>	Duh
May 03 22:56:31 <Peter-C>	And I will make a revolution
May 03 22:56:35 <Peter-C>	VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
May 03 22:56:44 <Fluffernutter>	why do you want people to visit your site? i mean, ad impressions? do you want a book deal? do you just like people knowing your name?
May 03 22:56:46 *	Peter-C tosses MacMed in a soldier uniform
May 03 22:57:00 <Peter-C>	So people read what I write! :D
May 03 22:57:12 <MacMed>	hmmm. odd. =D
May 03 22:57:15 <Peter-C>	MacMed is my secretary!
May 03 22:57:26 <MacMed>	can i be admiral?
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May 03 22:57:30 <Peter-C>	NO
May 03 22:57:36 <Peter-C>	GET BACK TO WORK SECRETARY
May 03 22:58:03 *	Jeske_Couriano becomes Peter-C's personal secretary
May 03 22:58:09 <MacMed>	http://arch.413chan.net/okay-face-%28n1299530375611%29.jpg
May 03 22:58:20 <MacMed>	Peter-C: what's the link to your blog again
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May 03 22:58:31 *	Peter-C makes Jeske_Couriano a slave in the desert
May 03 22:58:40 <Peter-C>	MacMed - http://www.petercoti.com
May 03 22:58:41 <geniice>	hmm not only are their only two women in this pic but we only have an article on one of them
May 03 22:58:43 <geniice>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Obama_and_Biden_await_updates_on_bin_Laden.jpg
May 03 22:59:25 <Peter-C>	geniice - Hillary Clinton does not look like Hillary Clinton
May 03 22:59:51 <geniice>	Audrey Tomason does however look like Audrey Tomason
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May 03 23:00:24 <Peter-C>	Who the fuck is she?
May 03 23:01:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	Audrey Tomason.
May 03 23:01:12 <Mitchazenia>	Language Peter
May 03 23:01:20 <geniice>	National Security Advisor to the Vice President;
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May 03 23:02:28 <geniice>	wikipedia hasn't heard of her though
May 03 23:02:36 <Peter-C>	^
May 03 23:02:53 <MacMed>	Thehelpfulone: there's so many of those files!
May 03 23:02:57 <Peter-C>	Dude, why did Biden get "Most Infulentual Person of the Year"?
May 03 23:03:28 <Peter-C>	That is as crazy as giving a drunk that title
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May 03 23:04:19 <Thehelpfulone>	hmm
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May 03 23:04:37 <Thehelpfulone>	but they need redirecting or moving to a better name if relevant first.
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May 03 23:05:26 <MacMed>	Most of them are just redirects. I'm going through and changing the links in articles to avoid redirect then tagging with CSD.
May 03 23:06:01 <Thehelpfulone>	ok
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May 03 23:16:56 <MuZemike>	His harem of wives
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May 03 23:17:43 <derp>	hey MuZemike
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May 03 23:20:01 <Fluffernutter>	!ops
May 03 23:20:18 <foks>	Ops were pinged
May 03 23:20:18 <Logan_>	Sigh...
May 03 23:20:20 <Sir48>	that imbecile again
May 03 23:20:29 <Irish_Eddy>	ha, they don't fool me anymore :-)
May 03 23:20:35 <Logan_>	foks: Why is AntiSpamMeta down?
May 03 23:20:52 <foks>	Couldn't tell you.
May 03 23:20:54 <Despatche>	wow, he just keeps trying
May 03 23:20:56 *	Dodgilicious idly wonders what SASL is
May 03 23:21:00 <Resfirestar>	Irish_Eddy, how do you tell if a ping is spam? O_o
May 03 23:21:01 <Despatche>	at least he got his full message out this time
May 03 23:21:12 <Despatche>	dodglicious: simple and secure layer or something like that
May 03 23:21:21 <Jeske_Couriano>	+r please, ops
May 03 23:21:28 <Despatche>	*authentification
May 03 23:21:33 <Despatche>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Authentication_and_Security_Layer
May 03 23:21:39 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to SpitfireWP
May 03 23:21:40 *	Resfirestar thought you already needed SASL, but w/e
May 03 23:21:42 *	SpitfireWP sets ban on *!*@89.165.73.206
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May 03 23:21:53 <foks>	+r, as well?
May 03 23:21:58 *	ChanServ removes channel operator status from SpitfireWP
May 03 23:21:59 <foks>	Ah.
May 03 23:21:59 <foks>	Okay.
May 03 23:21:59 <Despatche>	why not
May 03 23:22:00 *	SpitfireWP shrugs.
May 03 23:22:00 <Despatche>	oh
May 03 23:22:01 <Despatche>	yeah
May 03 23:22:05 <SpitfireWP>	Normally we set it just after they stop :P
May 03 23:25:59 <Irish_Eddy>	Because I checked the message out earlier, Resfirestar. Only to get told by people in several channels that is was SPAM!
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May 03 23:26:35 <Resfirestar>	oh, the message
May 03 23:26:36 <OlEnglish>	he's been saying that SASL thing for months now
May 03 23:26:39 <OlEnglish>	still hasn't happened
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May 03 23:26:46 <Resfirestar>	I thought you meant the annoying ping >.<
May 03 23:28:07 <Lara>	If such a message were real, it would be sent as a global notice by a freenode staffer.
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May 03 23:29:12 <SpitfireWP>	Lara, huh?
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May 03 23:29:28 <SpitfireWP>	I thought freenode staff always spammed channels with messages when they were making major changes.
May 03 23:29:36 <Lara>	As a global notice.
May 03 23:29:47 <SpitfireWP>	And then klined themselves. >_>
May 03 23:29:53 *	SpitfireWP shrugs. Learn something new everyday. 
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May 03 23:33:17 *	derp has the same script that the spammers use.
May 03 23:33:37 <matthewrbowker>	O.O Should we be scared.
May 03 23:33:40 <matthewrbowker>	*scared?
May 03 23:33:43 <derp>	nope.
May 03 23:33:50 <derp>	i use it on other networks ;)
May 03 23:33:56 <matthewrbowker>	heh, good :)
May 03 23:35:43 <Fluffernutter>	you should make a policy of always looking at derp with suspicion
May 03 23:38:34 <DarkoNeko>	('' )
May 03 23:39:30 <Despatche>	is stern pinball really the only pinball manufacturer left
May 03 23:39:34 <Despatche>	that seems so sad
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May 03 23:39:58 <Fluffernutter>	http://d1ihe8iurr5ss7.cloudfront.net/animals/fullsize/s86a3134968m7737461.jpg
May 03 23:40:00 <Fluffernutter>	awwwww
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May 03 23:40:28 <Despatche>	a lot of the big arcade operations are still going, yet pinball is almost completely dead
May 03 23:40:41 <matthewrbowker>	:(
May 03 23:40:43 <Despatche>	fluffernutter: I'm scared stiff
May 03 23:40:48 *	matthewrbowker loves pinball.
May 03 23:40:56 <Fluffernutter>	of adorable greyhounds??
May 03 23:41:23 <Despatche>	matthewrbowker: the thing is that they're a little like CAVE; a lot of old-time devs work for them now
May 03 23:41:35 <Despatche>	stern is not just the last pinball manu., but the most important
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May 03 23:43:04 <Despatche>	I remember hearing about the avatar pinball
May 03 23:43:47 <Despatche>	apparently lotr was good enough to get a limited edition some years later
May 03 23:44:38 <Despatche>	"Ritchie earned the license to make a Superman-pinball based on the Superman comic book, but in the final stages of production of the table, he received an offer from Williams Electronics, a major pinball company, that Ritchie couldn't refuse."
May 03 23:44:38 <Despatche>	ahahahahahahahaha
May 03 23:44:46 <Despatche>	never remove that
May 03 23:44:48 <Despatche>	don't do it
May 03 23:44:49 <Despatche>	please
May 03 23:45:30 <matthewrbowker>	Interesting.
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May 03 23:54:27 <Tatsujin>	heh http://chillingeffects.org/N/69542
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May 03 23:55:30 <Fluffernutter>	aren't our music clips generally fair-use?
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May 03 23:58:26 <mindspillage>	Fluffernutter: IIRC that one was unpublished and leaked; unpublished material has a much higher bar to be defensible that way.
May 03 23:58:32 <Fluffernutter>	ahh
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May 04 00:12:45 <geniice>	it appear to be back
May 04 00:12:48 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Deeper_Understanding.ogg
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May 04 00:18:17 <geniice>	"at one point there were 17 layers between the chief executive and the lowest employee"
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May 04 00:22:55 <MuZemike>	Ugh, http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/88798058-4fbe-4f9e-969f-856565d9fb6d.jpg
May 04 00:23:33 <foks>	wait, I've lost connection ain't i
May 04 00:23:53 <foks>	balls.
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May 04 00:24:25 <Cassie>	MuZemike: Just a little...
May 04 00:24:46 <MuZemike>	hey Cassie!
May 04 00:24:56 <Cassie>	MuZemike: Hello!
May 04 00:25:09 <MuZemike>	Oh, wow: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/epic-fail-photos-probably-bad-news-drunken-voyage-fail.jpg
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May 04 00:26:23 <MuZemike>	Sez volumes bout dem Britenz.
May 04 00:26:34 <Dragonfly6-7>	well, about the drunk ones
May 04 00:26:46 <Fluffernutter>	are there non-drunk ones?
May 04 00:26:49 <Fluffernutter>	well no, i take that back
May 04 00:26:54 <MuZemike>	I was about to say
May 04 00:27:02 <Fluffernutter>	i had a remarkably hard time getting ironholds even the slightest bit drunk
May 04 00:27:13 <MuZemike>	Oh wait, that's Ireland.
May 04 00:27:14 <Fluffernutter>	everclear-soaked cherries didn't even make him flinch
May 04 00:27:54 <Cassie>	MuZemike: I thought Ireland and Britain were the same thing!
May 04 00:28:10 <MuZemike>	That's according to Britain, isn't it?
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May 04 00:28:42 <Cassie>	;)
May 04 00:29:27 <MuZemike>	Heh, still news about that PS network shutdown.
May 04 00:30:11 <MuZemike>	Didn't think it was that big a deal, but then again, I don't own a PS3 nor spend scores of hours a week playing online games.
May 04 00:31:41 <foks>	I own a PS3 and have three brother that use(d) PSN regularly
May 04 00:31:45 <foks>	all I can say is: bring it up pronto plz
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May 04 00:31:50 <Fluffernutter>	you have three brothers?
May 04 00:32:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	Yes. He killed and ate the other two.
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May 04 00:32:07 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 04 00:32:28 <MuZemike>	So who brought the network down? Hackers? Anonymous online anarchist groups (like Anonymous)? /b/?
May 04 00:32:31 <foks>	yes
May 04 00:32:31 <foks>	all younger
May 04 00:32:42 <Dragonfly6-7>	because he killed and ate the older ones
May 04 00:33:19 <foks>	The 13-year-old's now finished MW2 twice, MW once and Homefront 3 times
May 04 00:33:34 <foks>	Woooow lag
May 04 00:33:35 <MuZemike>	Why does Fox News say "Usama" while most everyone else say "Osama"?
May 04 00:33:48 <foks>	Fox is stupid?
May 04 00:33:51 <foks>	:D
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May 04 00:34:06 <MuZemike>	Yes, I know. You are stupid.
May 04 00:34:08 <zscout370>	MuZemike: preference. I know we have Usama as an alternate spelling
May 04 00:34:13 <foks>	):
May 04 00:34:22 <MuZemike>	Perhaps to prevent confusion between "Obama" and "Osama"?
May 04 00:34:53 <foks>	http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkju9oThvK1qa4ff3o1_500.jpg
May 04 00:34:58 <MuZemike>	I mean, I'm not readily aware of an alternate spelling, but it's certainly plausible.
May 04 00:34:58 <foks>	lol
May 04 00:35:05 <MuZemike>	It's like "Romania" vs "Rumania".
May 04 00:35:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	go watch [[Being Osama]]
May 04 00:42:07 <foks>	oh for the love of
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May 04 01:55:29 <Gfoley4>	this is /not/ the way to respond to personal attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:This_lousy_T-shirt#173.238.221.157
May 04 01:56:09 <matthewrbowker>	>.>
May 04 01:56:17 <BarkingFish>	0.0
May 04 01:56:26 <BarkingFish>	and I thought *I* had a temper
May 04 01:56:29 <BarkingFish>	>:)
May 04 01:56:47 <Gfoley4>	edit summary: "173.238.221.157 is a psychotic BITCH."
May 04 01:56:50 <Gfoley4>	:|
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May 04 01:57:34 <BarkingFish>	Gfoley4: Isn't there something somewhere about responding to a personal attack isn't in itself, a personal attack?
May 04 01:57:44 <OlEnglish>	lol someone should make a youtube vid of all the thousands of times newscasters mistake obama/osama and vice versa
May 04 01:57:46 <BarkingFish>	I'd kick that straight out of the window.
May 04 01:58:47 <BarkingFish>	OlEnglish: Not only newscasters. I recorded the audio wikinews article on his death, and I had to restart the bloody thing 18 times cause I kept calling him Obama bin Laden...
May 04 01:59:20 <BarkingFish>	and referring to Barack Obama as Barack Osama doesn't help either :)
May 04 02:00:02 <BarkingFish>	There was actually a very good joke I had texted to me earlier today, as you usually get when someone dies like this, Michael Jackson, etc...
May 04 02:00:47 <BarkingFish>	"Obama Bin Laden is dead.  Killed by American Forces.  President Bush Failed, President Clinton failed.  President Obama succeeded."
May 04 02:01:15 <BarkingFish>	"Moral of the tale: If you want someone topped off in another country, hire President Obama"
May 04 02:02:14 <quanticle>	BarkingFish: http://yfrog.com/h0mix6j
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May 04 02:08:06 <Irish_Eddy>	*grin*
May 04 02:08:28 <Irish_Eddy>	That gives me a mighty good idea, BarkingFish :-)
May 04 02:09:04 <BarkingFish>	quanticle: Excellent.
May 04 02:09:08 <BarkingFish>	I like that.
May 04 02:09:28 <geniice>	Clinton was unlucky
May 04 02:10:00 <Irish_Eddy>	Any experts here? I'm looking for a restaurant template including Michelin stars.
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May 04 02:11:34 <geniice>	Irish_Eddy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Restaurant
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May 04 02:13:41 <Irish_Eddy>	Hmmm, overlooked the field "rating"
May 04 02:14:31 <geniice>	Irish_Eddy see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Fat_Duck&action=edit for an example
May 04 02:15:39 <Irish_Eddy>	Ah, thanks! That answers also my second question!
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May 04 02:31:57 <Peter-C>	Fluff|sleep >:(
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May 04 02:45:15 *	Peter-C pokes BarkingFish
May 04 02:45:20 <Peter-C>	Gfoley4 - around?
May 04 02:45:31 <Gfoley4>	yo
May 04 02:45:33 <BarkingFish>	morning Peter-C :)
May 04 02:47:17 <Peter-C>	Evening BarkingFish :P
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May 04 02:51:15 <Peter-C>	BarkingFish - the only thing sexier than you is my website :)
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May 04 02:51:43 <BarkingFish>	0.0
May 04 02:51:50 <BarkingFish>	now I KNOW you need glasses
May 04 02:53:12 <Gfoley4>	ha
May 04 02:53:53 <Peter-C>	:P
May 04 02:56:57 <BarkingFish>	Specsavers are expecting you 1030 sharp tomorrow morning. Don't be late :)
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May 04 03:00:24 <geniice>	hmm fun some thing the remains are of fortified manor house known as St Andrew's castle while others think they are just a wall
May 04 03:00:56 <Peter-C>	Anyone here good with typography?
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May 04 03:06:25 <quanticle>	Peter-C: Helvetica or bust
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May 04 03:07:47 <OlEnglish>	scoooooores
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May 04 03:17:33 <quanticle>	OlEnglish: How's day 1 under the new Harper government?
May 04 03:19:50 <OlEnglish>	fine i guess
May 04 03:20:11 <OlEnglish>	Canadians are more interested in hockey now
May 04 03:20:15 <OlEnglish>	:)
May 04 03:20:50 <Anna_Frodesiak>	hi OE
May 04 03:21:27 <Peter-C>	A woman's sexuality can be measured by her bra cup
May 04 03:21:54 <Anna_Frodesiak>	hi OlEnglish
May 04 03:22:15 <OlEnglish>	hi!
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May 04 03:22:23 <Anna_Frodesiak>	how's vancouver today?
May 04 03:23:07 <OlEnglish>	we're watching the game :)
May 04 03:23:16 <OlEnglish>	vancouver and nashville
May 04 03:23:21 <OlEnglish>	1-1
May 04 03:23:27 <OlEnglish>	2nd period
May 04 03:23:30 <Anna_Frodesiak>	If you were an animal, what food would you like?
May 04 03:23:36 <Gfoley4>	Peter-C: how u know?
May 04 03:23:36 <quanticle>	Peter-C: Dunno about that.
May 04 03:24:12 <Anna_Frodesiak>	OlEnglish?  If you were an animal, what food would you like?
May 04 03:24:37 <OlEnglish>	it depends what animal i was
May 04 03:24:45 <OlEnglish>	if i was an eagle, i'd like mice
May 04 03:24:58 <Anna_Frodesiak>	OlEnglish you are an imposter. You failed to answer the secret question
May 04 03:25:00 <OlEnglish>	if i were to be an animal i'd be an eagle
May 04 03:25:06 <Anna_Frodesiak>	OlEnglish would know the answer
May 04 03:25:15 <OlEnglish>	omg! totally forgot about that
May 04 03:25:20 <OlEnglish>	your email :)
May 04 03:25:23 <Anna_Frodesiak>	So what's the answer
May 04 03:25:25 <Anna_Frodesiak>	?
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May 04 03:25:33 <OlEnglish>	mouse?
May 04 03:25:36 <quanticle>	Anna_Frodesiak: Probably whatever food said animal eats in its natural habitat. Humans are unique in that our physiologies and tools give us the ability to consume a large variety of food. Most animals don't have the luxury of choice.
May 04 03:25:44 <OlEnglish>	i dunno i gotta go check my email now haha
May 04 03:25:50 <Anna_Frodesiak>	You "/whois OlEnglish" to Irvine California.
May 04 03:25:55 <Anna_Frodesiak>	You are an imposter.
May 04 03:26:01 <OlEnglish>	no no.. that's just the server!
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May 04 03:26:10 <OlEnglish>	the IRC server is in irvine!
May 04 03:26:11 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Okay, so what's the food?
May 04 03:26:20 <OlEnglish>	hrm hold on...
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May 04 03:26:27 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Ok. I'm waiting.
May 04 03:26:34 <derp>	What's wrong?
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May 04 03:27:18 <OlEnglish>	rabbits
May 04 03:27:23 <OlEnglish>	happy? :)
May 04 03:27:35 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Yes. :)
May 04 03:27:39 <OlEnglish>	i just got your reply btw
May 04 03:27:45 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Buy where's your +?
May 04 03:28:01 <OlEnglish>	but ya.. that irvine thing.. that's not where i'm from.. and my + is only in the help channel.. #wikipedia-en-help
May 04 03:28:22 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Ok. It's really you. :)
May 04 03:28:26 <OlEnglish>	yes
May 04 03:28:36 <Anna_Frodesiak>	back to the hockey game....
May 04 03:28:40 <OlEnglish>	heh thanks
May 04 03:28:47 <Anna_Frodesiak>	no prob
May 04 03:28:56 <Peter-C>	My website is sexy
May 04 03:29:17 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Your website is chat roulette
May 04 03:29:24 <Peter-C>	o.o
May 04 03:29:33 <Peter-C>	Troll?
May 04 03:29:37 <Anna_Frodesiak>	me?
May 04 03:29:42 <Peter-C>	Yes
May 04 03:29:44 <Anna_Frodesiak>	I'm Anna
May 04 03:29:56 <Peter-C>	Are you sure?
May 04 03:30:01 <Anna_Frodesiak>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anna_Frodesiak
May 04 03:30:06 <Peter-C>	You seem more like a Jessica
May 04 03:30:07 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Yes. Very.
May 04 03:30:11 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Ha ha
May 04 03:30:51 <Peter-C>	WTF
May 04 03:30:59 <Peter-C>	HOW MANY HOURS WERE SACRIFICED?!
May 04 03:31:09 <Peter-C>	la_pianista
May 04 03:31:15 <Peter-C>	LOOK AT HER USER PAGE
May 04 03:31:28 <la_pianista>	...quoi ?
May 04 03:31:33 <Peter-C>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anna_Frodesiak
May 04 03:31:48 <Anna_Frodesiak>	sacrificed?
May 04 03:32:11 <Peter-C>	How many hours of hard labor were put into making that user page?
May 04 03:32:15 <Anna_Frodesiak>	I just added a drawing once in a while. Easy peasy.
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May 04 03:32:42 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Hard labour? Nah. I make those little drawings once in a while. They take about 30 seconds each.
May 04 03:32:44 <Peter-C>	o.o
May 04 03:32:55 <Anna_Frodesiak>	I like drawing.
May 04 03:32:57 <Peter-C>	I mean the linking
May 04 03:33:01 <Peter-C>	The linking must have been hard
May 04 03:33:18 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Oh. That was with a program someone suggested. 10 minutes, no kidding.
May 04 03:33:29 <Peter-C>	o.o
May 04 03:33:31 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Want the link. It's drag and drop. No typing numbers.
May 04 03:34:45 <Peter-C>	too lazy
May 04 03:34:51 <Peter-C>	I need to get sleep anyway
May 04 03:34:54 <Peter-C>	GOOD NIGHT WORLD!
May 04 03:34:54 <Peter-C>	:D
May 04 03:34:55 <Anna_Frodesiak>	fine by me
May 04 03:34:58 <Anna_Frodesiak>	nitey nite
May 04 03:35:06 *	Peter-C drags la_pianista to his bedroom
May 04 03:35:08 <Peter-C>	night! :d
May 04 03:35:18 <la_pianista>	:|
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May 04 03:36:36 <Guerillero>	stats and I are not friends
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May 04 03:40:47 <derp>	oh hey Ironholds
May 04 03:40:53 <derp>	How was the trip back home
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May 04 03:40:59 <Ironholds>	fucking awful
May 04 03:41:04 <Ironholds>	I had to write myself a note
May 04 03:41:13 <derp>	good
May 04 03:41:28 <Ironholds>	"Dear oliver. When stomach lurches upwards, plane is going down. When stomach lurches downwards, plane is going up"
May 04 03:41:48 <Ironholds>	"do not get these confused, or you will spend takeoff having a small heart attack and going 'why are we dropping out of the sky?!'"
May 04 03:41:59 <derp>	heh
May 04 03:42:03 <derp>	And did you enjoy USA?
May 04 03:42:56 <Ironholds>	Eh, it was alright
May 04 03:43:03 <Ironholds>	company was shite, though :p
May 04 03:43:07 <derp>	:P
May 04 03:43:24 <derp>	While you were gone, canada elected a majoritarily conservative governement
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May 04 03:46:26 <Ironholds>	I saw
May 04 03:46:40 <Ironholds>	on the plus side, the Bloc Quebecois got fucking massacred
May 04 03:46:55 <derp>	I know
May 04 03:46:57 <derp>	Oh
May 04 03:47:04 <derp>	Ignatieff also resigned.
May 04 03:47:37 <derp>	libreal party leader
May 04 03:47:48 <Ironholds>	awesome!
May 04 03:47:55 <Ironholds>	maybe now they can get someone with a spinal cord
May 04 03:48:04 <derp>	and there are talks of the elected liberals that they will probably merge with the NDP
May 04 03:48:10 <Ironholds>	it takes a special kind of stupid to get a hung parliament and *not* achieve voting reform out of it
May 04 03:48:24 *	Brian_S takes out Ironholds's spinal cord
May 04 03:48:26 <Brian_S>	j/k
May 04 03:48:40 <Ironholds>	you're not strong enough to carry it
May 04 03:49:05 <Brian_S>	lol
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May 04 03:50:05 <topaz>	saaaaaad wiki
May 04 03:50:05 *	derp huggles Brian_S tightly.
May 04 03:51:08 <slakr>	you don't... have the spine to carry it
May 04 03:51:10 *	slakr snickers
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May 04 04:00:20 <The_Thing>	http://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/05/03/1523241/Robotic-Tongue-Lets-You-French-Kiss-Over-The-Internet
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May 04 04:30:48 <Schroeder>	so I'm not sure it's possible to be a Christian and believe in a god at the same time...
May 04 04:32:44 <Ironholds>	because?
May 04 04:33:23 <Schroeder>	well, think about what the Christ taught
May 04 04:33:28 <Schroeder>	to love and serve all men, right?
May 04 04:35:30 <Ironholds>	allegedly
May 04 04:35:55 <Ironholds>	wait, to serve and love
May 04 04:35:58 <Ironholds>	does this mean Jesus was a bottom?
May 04 04:36:07 <Ironholds>	man, I always thought he'd be a top
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May 04 04:39:35 <MickWithoutGlass>	Ello!
May 04 04:39:57 <MickWithoutGlass>	One time, I had a dream where I became the youngest admin on Wikipedia
May 04 04:40:55 <Ironholds>	MickWithoutGlass: unless you're eight, that's impossible
May 04 04:41:02 <MickWithoutGlass>	Aw
May 04 04:41:05 <MickWithoutGlass>	:(
May 04 04:41:40 <MickWithoutGlass>	How old is the youngest admin, and what is their username? I want to talk to them on their userpage
May 04 04:42:59 <MickWithoutGlass>	How old?
May 04 04:43:49 <MickWithoutGlass>	Seriously
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May 04 04:45:19 <geniice>	no one keeps that kind of statistics
May 04 04:46:49 <MickWithoutGlass>	Darn
May 04 04:46:50 <MickWithoutGlass>	But I want to know
May 04 04:47:58 <MickWithoutGlass>	Wanna know who DragonflySixtySeven reminds me of?
May 04 04:50:16 <Ironholds>	an engorged penis
May 04 04:50:34 <Ironholds>	MickWithoutGlass: Keegan is an admin, and he just celebrated his ninth birthdayt
May 04 04:50:36 <Ironholds>	*try him
May 04 04:50:42 <MickWithoutGlass>	DARN
May 04 04:51:04 <MickWithoutGlass>	DragonFlySixtySeven reminds me of Nevel Papperman
May 04 04:51:28 <MickWithoutGlass>	Well, would I be able to be Wikipedia's youngest FEMALE admin or not?
May 04 04:51:34 *	MickWithoutGlass hopes Ironholds says yes
May 04 04:51:46 <ThrashOut>	not
May 04 04:51:58 <Ironholds>	MickWithoutGlass: that'd also be Keegan
May 04 04:52:06 <Ironholds>	transgender, see
May 04 04:52:13 <MickWithoutGlass>	Darnit
May 04 04:53:20 <MickWithoutGlass>	Crud
May 04 04:53:28 <MickWithoutGlass>	My dream
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May 04 04:53:30 <MickWithoutGlass>	will never come true
May 04 04:53:37 *	Glass_Soul is now known as Glass_Arm
May 04 04:53:38 <MickWithoutGlass>	It was such a good dream!
May 04 04:54:56 <Glass_Arm>	Mick you don't have a glass appendage?
May 04 04:55:01 <MickWithoutGlass>	I don't
May 04 04:55:12 <MickWithoutGlass>	But I do have synesthesia
May 04 04:56:10 <MickWithoutGlass>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia
May 04 04:58:11 <MickWithoutGlass>	I am editing my userpage
May 04 04:58:45 <Glass_Arm>	You're wired different.
May 04 04:59:26 <ThrashOut>	Built in syntax highlighting.
May 04 04:59:30 <ThrashOut>	nice <3
May 04 05:00:07 <geniice>	hmm some castles don't leave much to see
May 04 05:00:08 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ashley_Castle_-_geograph.org.uk_-_752532.jpg
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May 04 05:01:15 <MickWithoutGlass>	I finished editing it
May 04 05:02:16 *	Lyrithya is now known as Sockadelic
May 04 05:04:06 <MickWithoutGlass>	Today is my four month anniversary
May 04 05:04:26 *	Glass_Arm claps slowly
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May 04 05:06:22 <MickWithoutGlass>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MickWithoutGlasses
May 04 05:06:38 <MickWithoutGlass>	!8ball Will I become an admin someday?
May 04 05:07:49 <MickWithoutGlass>	Apparently not >:D
May 04 05:07:54 <MickWithoutGlass>	#TDWIKI
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May 04 05:10:08 <Glass_Arm>	!8ball Will I ever stop wasting my time?
May 04 05:10:14 <MickWithoutGlass>	cookies
May 04 05:10:19 <MickWithoutGlass>	>:D
May 04 05:10:24 <Glass_Arm>	LIES
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May 04 05:12:13 <MickWithoutGlass>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MbWBhjGdLM
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May 04 05:12:59 <killiondude>	not clicking
May 04 05:13:16 <geniice>	people loosing interes rather quickly
May 04 05:13:18 <geniice>	http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Osama_bin_Laden
May 04 05:13:37 <MickWithoutGlass>	My name isn't Mick
May 04 05:13:58 <Glass_Arm>	Sorry, Glass
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May 04 05:42:39 <Sven_Manguard>	Hey all.
May 04 05:42:45 <Sven_Manguard>	Headbomb you around?
May 04 05:43:18 <Headbomb|Laptop>	Sven_Manguard: maybe?
May 04 05:43:38 <Sven_Manguard>	I need your AWB know how
May 04 05:44:09 <Sven_Manguard>	is there a way to get it to search all articles for instances of "(pictured)" so I can go through them and remove the 99% that are bad?
May 04 05:44:46 <Headbomb|Laptop>	like you want so search all articles with "(pictured)" in them?
May 04 05:45:05 <Headbomb|Laptop>	yeah, there's the database scanner
May 04 05:45:25 <Sven_Manguard>	okay
May 04 05:45:27 <Headbomb|Laptop>	you need to download a data dump, then you can scan it for any piece of text you feel like
May 04 05:45:34 <Sven_Manguard>	tommorow I'm going to want to set that up
May 04 05:45:39 <Headbomb|Laptop>	the dumps are ~6GB to download
May 04 05:45:48 <Headbomb|Laptop>	and ~27GB when extracted
May 04 05:46:05 <Sven_Manguard>	what about only the article namespace?
May 04 05:46:18 <Headbomb|Laptop>	same download
May 04 05:46:33 <Sven_Manguard>	is there a better way?
May 04 05:46:41 <Headbomb|Laptop>	not that i'm aware
May 04 05:46:49 <Headbomb|Laptop>	http://dumps.wikimedia.org/backup-index.html
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May 04 05:47:02 <Headbomb|Laptop>	if you wait a day or two, you'll have the newest batch
May 04 05:47:16 <Headbomb|Laptop>	if not, then it's going to be about a month old
May 04 05:47:41 <Sven_Manguard>	err
May 04 05:47:42 <Sven_Manguard>	hmm
May 04 05:48:39 <Headbomb|Laptop>	this is the file you want http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20110405/enwiki-20110405-pages-articles.xml.bz2
May 04 05:48:54 <Headbomb|Laptop>	that's 6.7 gigs, so don't try to open it with your browser
May 04 05:51:30 <Headbomb|Laptop>	i'd suggest downloading it overnight
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May 04 05:53:43 <Keegan>	Ironholds: I'm 12, fyi
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May 04 05:56:22 <Ironholds>	Keegan: they see me trollin'/in -en
May 04 05:56:52 <Keegan>	Who is they?
May 04 05:56:56 *	Keegan asks from his tower
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May 04 05:57:24 <Keegan>	Built from sheets and couch cushions.  It's hard to build a proper tower when you're 12.
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May 04 06:06:04 <Ironholds>	Keegan: there was some guy who came in trolling
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May 04 06:10:26 <Keegan>	I saw
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May 04 06:12:48 <MuZemike>	Oops: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/b8ddccda-d8c1-4739-bc53-4c7884bb11dd.jpg
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May 04 06:22:47 <The_Thing>	XD
May 04 06:23:59 <MuZemike>	http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/481f4838-2a3e-4e37-807f-bd64b92fe571.jpg
May 04 06:24:25 <MuZemike>	This looks like Chicago: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/068b6023-e343-4275-b06d-90621950aa7e.jpg
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May 04 06:27:54 <MuZemike>	F***ing women, they're cruel, cruel people.
May 04 06:30:33 <slakr>	indeed
May 04 06:30:43 <killiondude>	people are cruel people
May 04 06:30:46 <killiondude>	SEXIST.
May 04 06:30:53 <slakr>	and they fooled the male world into thinking they're oppressed
May 04 06:31:38 <slakr>	consider: women aren't required to show their boobs at beaches and swimming pools--men do.
May 04 06:31:58 <slakr>	men are *expected* to show their boobs.
May 04 06:32:33 <slakr>	exploitation.
May 04 06:32:45 <slakr>	women get to wear makeup to make them more sexually attractive
May 04 06:32:53 <slakr>	men are forbidden from doing so
May 04 06:33:01 <Andrevan>	our boobs don't do anything cool though
May 04 06:33:15 <Andrevan>	like feed babies or turn on sex partners
May 04 06:33:15 <slakr>	true--even more reason we should be able to hide them away
May 04 06:33:27 <Andrevan>	nah we don't hide useless things, only really important ones
May 04 06:33:27 <slakr>	and that second part is a lie
May 04 06:33:34 <Andrevan>	alright I mean
May 04 06:33:36 <slakr>	a good chest on a male *does* turn on sex partners.
May 04 06:33:40 <Andrevan>	I haven't met any girl that liked my nipples
May 04 06:33:56 <slakr>	guys don't like nipples--they like boobs.
May 04 06:34:01 <slakr>	same goes with girls.
May 04 06:34:07 <Andrevan>	the nipples are a pretty important part of it
May 04 06:34:10 <slakr>	except they like *lack* of boobs--they like pecs
May 04 06:34:12 <Andrevan>	and they're also the part that is usually hidden
May 04 06:34:31 <slakr>	they also aren't even expected to work during the day
May 04 06:34:34 <slakr>	males are.
May 04 06:34:48 <Andrevan>	haha wait what are we talking about
May 04 06:34:51 <slakr>	heh
May 04 06:35:07 <slakr>	how women are oppressing men, but fooling men into thinking it's the opposite
May 04 06:35:12 <slakr>	:P :P
May 04 06:35:15 <Andrevan>	oh yeah totally oppressing us
May 04 06:35:21 <Andrevan>	like the otehr day I bought this chick a drink at the bar
May 04 06:35:26 <Andrevan>	fucking oppression dog
May 04 06:35:34 <slakr>	exactly! they get shit *FOR FREE*
May 04 06:35:45 <slakr>	women don't buy men drinks, now do they?
May 04 06:35:52 <Andrevan>	not yet
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May 04 06:35:54 <Andrevan>	wish they would do
May 04 06:35:55 <slakr>	"OMG I'm being repressed!" :P
May 04 06:36:02 <Andrevan>	*though
May 04 06:36:19 <Andrevan>	ugh, 2 all nighters in the last 4 days
May 04 06:36:24 <slakr>	:P
May 04 06:36:26 <Andrevan>	my brain is starting to disintegrate
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May 04 06:53:18 <MuZemike>	Women are conniving assholes, it's apparently in their blood.
May 04 06:53:52 <Prodego>	enooooooough
May 04 06:57:02 <ummeegge>	Good morning at all
May 04 07:00:01 <MuZemike>	It's never morning here
May 04 07:00:38 <ummeegge>	But here always :-)
May 04 07:00:57 <MuZemike>	What did I just say?
May 04 07:02:12 <closedmouth>	go to bed, mike
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May 04 07:08:28 <MuZemike>	Before I go to bed: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=427360674&rcid=439956551
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May 04 07:22:44 <Herodotus>	You people.
May 04 07:23:28 <closedmouth>	are
May 04 07:23:41 <killiondude>	disturbia
May 04 07:24:47 <Herodotus>	No, I don't think the situation warranted the dignity of a verb.
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May 04 07:25:09 <closedmouth>	pigs
May 04 07:27:35 <Theo10011>	are
May 04 07:27:44 <Herodotus>	Racists.
May 04 07:28:05 <Theo10011>	too?
May 04 07:28:38 <Herodotus>	True.
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May 04 08:21:29 <Ironholds>	sonia: you want to know how ridiculous airport security has now got in the US? They felt up my hair to check I had no contraband hidden in it.
May 04 08:21:40 <sonia>	...really? huh.
May 04 08:21:50 <sonia>	now if they tried that with mine they'd never get their hands out :P
May 04 08:22:01 <Ironholds>	well, I didn't expect them to escape from mine either
May 04 08:22:12 <Ironholds>	it's big enough to have become sentient in its own right now
May 04 08:22:20 <sonia>	heh.
May 04 08:22:28 <Ironholds>	it's got Swiss citizenship and occasionally goes out when I'm asleep
May 04 08:22:35 <Ironholds>	the opera, the theatre - it's a high-swingin' guy.
May 04 08:22:36 <Jeske_Couriano>	Candy Bullets! — A CZ-75-B 9mm pistol in a partially transparent package. Package was stylised with several graphics depicting smiling persons being shot, labelled in English in stereotypical "New Yorker" slang. The rounds in the magazine were found to be made of a substance similar to rock candy, though completely functional as normal ammunition.
May 04 08:22:38 *	sonia smiles
May 04 08:22:47 <Jeske_Couriano>	Object was "tested" on D-27644, in the foot. Besides the pain and trauma normally included in bullet wounds, subject also noted a heavy taste and scent of peppermint, which persisted for several hours. The munition dissolved in the subject's bloodstream, negating the need to remove it surgically.
May 04 08:22:51 <Ironholds>	sonia: you know the best bit?
May 04 08:22:56 <sonia>	Ironholds: hm?
May 04 08:23:03 <Ironholds>	the expired AR-15 ammunition in my luggage? They let that through
May 04 08:23:20 <sonia>	somewhat hypocritical, methinks
May 04 08:23:21 <Ironholds>	but my hair? Now THERE is a risk
May 04 08:23:27 <Ironholds>	well, the bigger question is "did they even see it?"
May 04 08:23:43 <sonia>	oh dear :P
May 04 08:23:43 <Ironholds>	because if not, there's obviously something gone wrong somewhere
May 04 08:23:45 <Jeske_Couriano>	How does ammo expire? Does the blackpowder degrade to where it can't reliably fire?
May 04 08:24:04 <Ironholds>	Jeske_Couriano: it gets fired, which raises a second question, i.e. that they obviously didn't check my luggage for say, traces of explosives or GRS
May 04 08:24:27 <Ironholds>	so all you have to do if you want to get a bomb on a plane is apparently stick it in the same bag as your nice DSLR
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May 04 08:24:51 <sonia>	Ironholds:  as opposed to in your hair, I see
May 04 08:25:05 <Ironholds>	exactly
May 04 08:25:34 *	sonia throws her car out the window
May 04 08:26:05 <Jeske_Couriano>	...
May 04 08:27:06 <sonia>	Jeske_Couriano: metaphorically, that is; repair costs are astronomical and I'm supposed to be at a meeting but instead I'm waiting for the nice folk to come and work out what's wrong
May 04 08:27:12 <Jeske_Couriano>	Why is it whemever I come to this entry I have to go WTF harder than I do anywhere else on the site?
May 04 08:27:17 <Ironholds>	sonia: you drive? I sort of generally assume you're about 12
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May 04 08:27:32 <sonia>	Ironholds: ffs, I'm at university
May 04 08:27:36 <Ironholds>	mainly because I mentally group you in with la_pianist
May 04 08:27:38 <Ironholds>	*a
May 04 08:27:46 <Ironholds>	"eh, curly hair, cute, plays a musical instrument"
May 04 08:27:49 <sonia>	she's... also at uni
May 04 08:27:59 <Ironholds>	she is, yes. But she's young and stuff.
May 04 08:28:03 <Jeske_Couriano>	"Uncle Slaanesh's Candy N*****s. Packaging in a mix of Latin and Sumerian; front of package refers to candy as Uncle Slaanesh's, all other sides to Auntie Slaanesh's. Package contained gummi candy in the vague shape of human t***s, with a slight meaty flavor, heavily sweetened.""
May 04 08:28:04 <Ironholds>	I never claimed it was LOGICAL
May 04 08:28:08 <sonia>	that she is, yes, very much so
May 04 08:28:19 <Jeske_Couriano>	"Chewy to the point of inedibility. Package interior contained winning mail-in coupon for a free Warhammer 40,000 "Warcooks of Auntie Slaanesh" model set. Dr. Hooper expressed interest in keeping coupon and attempting to redeem it; request was denied."
May 04 08:28:49 <sonia>	Jeske_Couriano: what the hell are you reading?
May 04 08:29:00 <Jeske_Couriano>	sonia) http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/experiment-log-261-ad-de
May 04 08:29:07 <Ironholds>	I was about to say, sounds like SCP
May 04 08:29:31 <Jeske_Couriano>	Is there actually such an army as "Warcooks of Slaanesh"?
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May 04 08:33:45 <Jeske_Couriano>	Is there such an army in WH40K?
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May 04 08:36:15 <Ironholds>	not afaik
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May 04 08:36:43 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Like
May 04 08:36:49 <killiondude>	for your (ab)using pleaseure
May 04 08:36:52 <killiondude>	pleasure
May 04 08:36:56 <killiondude>	SPAM IT AROUND.
May 04 08:36:58 <sonia>	:D
May 04 08:37:02 <sonia>	I needed that.
May 04 08:38:18 <Jeske_Couriano>	""Pizza in a Cup", Pepperoni Shrimp Alfredo flavor, with image of Steve Martin from his performance in "The Jerk" on the front. Packaging trilingual, English, Klingon, and Pig Latin. Taste was "unusual, but not bad.""
May 04 08:38:26 <Jeske_Couriano>	"Product cooked somewhat unevenly in microwave; bottom of cup was still cold afterward. After examining the package, Dr. Hooper joked that SCP-261 was "just mocking him now.""
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May 04 08:42:12 <sonia>	Jeske_Couriano: that's hardly the oddest page on the site, but it is rather interesting; haven't come across it before
May 04 08:42:34 <Jeske_Couriano>	sonia) It's linked directly on SCP-261's page
May 04 08:44:26 <Qcoder00>	Good Morning Ms Sonia
May 04 08:44:31 *	Qcoder00 curtsies
May 04 08:44:40 *	sonia smiles, bows to Qcoder00
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May 04 09:02:41 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Harej/Forever
May 04 09:02:45 <killiondude>	never forget
May 04 09:06:15 <guillom>	WIKIPEDIA FOREVER.
May 04 09:06:42 <killiondude>	guillom: please see link above!
May 04 09:06:43 *	Fae_away is now known as Fae
May 04 09:06:46 <killiondude>	above the above
May 04 09:07:01 <guillom>	OMG
May 04 09:07:02 <guillom>	WANT
May 04 09:07:17 <guillom>	I've done that manually a few times.
May 04 09:07:30 <killiondude>	:-D
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May 04 09:09:11 <guillom>	Ah, no, what I did was similar to the first version of that template (i.e. "X likes this")
May 04 09:09:30 <killiondude>	I uploaded Facebook's thumb.
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May 04 09:12:34 <killiondude>	It still needs some fixing. It's good enough for now.
May 04 09:12:36 <killiondude>	ENJOY.
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May 04 09:15:58 <Qcoder00>	Anyonw with AWB ?
May 04 09:16:11 <Qcoder00>	Simple search and replace  {{pd-chem}} with {{PD-chem
May 04 09:16:13 <Qcoder00>	}}
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May 04 09:21:18 <SpitfireWP>	Why?
May 04 09:25:02 <Qcoder00>	Allows use of a single template inline with other PD templates
May 04 09:25:20 <Qcoder00>	And allows the {{Pd-chem}} and {{pd-chem}} redirects to be deprecated
May 04 09:26:49 <SpitfireWP>	Qcoder00, do you have AWB?
May 04 09:26:54 <Qcoder00>	No
May 04 09:27:10 <SpitfireWP>	Why?
May 04 09:27:17 <Qcoder00>	AWB will not run with my older hardware/browser
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May 04 09:44:14 <Qcoder00>	OH and a quick question
May 04 09:44:22 <Qcoder00>	Any TeX perts around?
May 04 09:44:53 <Qcoder00>	Like there is a way to do math formulae in TeX inside Wiki pages isn't there also a way to do chemical structures?
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May 04 09:45:20 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Manganese(II)_Nitrate_Diagram.JPG for example could be done in TeX IIRC
May 04 09:46:02 <Withoutaname>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SchuminWeb is redirecting several AfD'ed articles en masse. Is there consensus for this?
May 04 09:46:44 <closedmouth>	of course
May 04 09:46:51 <closedmouth>	(cur | prev) 21:48, 30 October 2010 Wifione (talk | contribs | block) (1,938 bytes) (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Killing Time (Justin Richards novel) closed as merge to The Invisible Detective) (undo)
May 04 09:48:36 <Withoutaname>	I'm not too sure if the content was merged though
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May 04 09:49:26 <Withoutaname>	and he forgets the {{R from merge}} template
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May 04 09:52:04 <LUUWDA-WIW13>	Hey, what are the books found at 802.11 on the [[Dewey Decimal System]]?
May 04 09:52:26 <Ironholds>	no idea, I'm afraid
May 04 09:57:29 <barts1a>	802 is Misc. Literature
May 04 09:57:42 <barts1a>	unsure of the .11 though
May 04 09:57:50 <barts1a>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification
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May 04 10:10:50 <sonia>	LauraHale :)
May 04 10:10:55 <LauraHale>	sonia. :D
May 04 10:10:59 <LauraHale>	Back in AU
May 04 10:11:05 <LauraHale>	You didn't get hit by the tornado?
May 04 10:11:12 <barts1a>	Welcome back!
May 04 10:11:13 <sonia>	heh, I did as a matter of fact
May 04 10:11:18 *	sonia hugs LauraHale
May 04 10:11:25 <LauraHale>	:(
May 04 10:11:29 *	LauraHale huggles sonia
May 04 10:11:42 <LauraHale>	On a good news note, you're not one of the two dead.
May 04 10:12:32 <sonia>	yep.
May 04 10:13:02 <sonia>	I also got hit by a forklift truck, which ended up being a good thing because it meant I wasn't on a bus in the direct path of the tornado.
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May 04 10:14:27 <LauraHale>	holy crap
May 04 10:14:44 <barts1a>	I can remember one time when my schoolbus got stuck as 2 large trees blew over in front of and behind the bus while it was stopped
May 04 10:14:58 <barts1a>	the students didn't get until about midday
May 04 10:15:20 <barts1a>	I wasn't on it (thank god) but didn't go due to trees blocking the driveway
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May 04 10:20:00 <TBloemink>	Ah, LauraHale, how was your flight?
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May 04 10:21:46 <Morphypnos>	Hello !
May 04 10:21:51 <TBloemink>	hello
May 04 10:22:07 <Morphypnos>	I come from fr.Wikipédia.
May 04 10:22:17 <TBloemink>	I'd love to fly qantas again, had a great experience with them, but it's a little expensive
May 04 10:22:34 <barts1a>	Yeah. Qantas is a GREAT airline to fly with
May 04 10:23:18 <Morphypnos>	Do you know " Marine byzantine " ?
May 04 10:23:30 <barts1a>	They are (one of the) pride(s) of Australia
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May 04 10:23:51 <Morphypnos>	Someone speak french, here ?
May 04 10:23:55 <Morphypnos>	:)
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May 04 10:24:19 <TBloemink>	the only - was the food on the SYD-AKL leg, breakfast
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May 04 10:24:32 <sonia>	I spoke French once upon a time.
May 04 10:24:34 <TBloemink>	I didn't like it at all
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May 04 10:26:17 <Morphypnos>	Do you know " Byzantine nay " ?
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May 04 10:26:40 <LauraHale>	Qantas is not bad.
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May 04 10:27:02 <Morphypnos>	Who has it written ?
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May 04 10:28:55 <Morphypnos>	Why God everyvody don't care ?
May 04 10:29:43 <Morphypnos>	Quelqu'un peut-il me renseigner ?
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May 04 10:32:27 <Morphypnos>	D'accord. Au plaisir de vous revoir.
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May 04 10:34:43 <closedmouth>	wat
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May 04 10:42:39 <OlEnglish>	osamabinobamaladenbarack?
May 04 10:43:08 *	sonia hugs OlEnglish
May 04 10:43:15 <OlEnglish>	hugs!
May 04 10:43:27 *	Ironholds wanders in, sighs
May 04 10:43:34 <Ironholds>	I went to the shops and spent 40 quid
May 04 10:43:38 <Ironholds>	stupid fucking new stationers
May 04 10:43:39 <sonia>	on...?
May 04 10:43:44 <Ironholds>	er, lesse
May 04 10:43:47 *	Ironholds opens bag
May 04 10:43:59 <Ironholds>	3 cans of coke, some nice watermarked paper, a new pen and a pack of cowboy killers
May 04 10:44:09 <sonia>	cowboy wha?
May 04 10:44:19 <Ironholds>	smokes. Smokes ;p
May 04 10:44:25 <Ironholds>	which I will quit in June.
May 04 10:44:32 <Ironholds>	specifically on 2 June
May 04 10:44:45 *	sonia looks at Ironholds strangely, shrugs
May 04 10:44:59 <Ironholds>	on 2 June I am hopefully on a plane for 12 hours
May 04 10:45:04 <Ironholds>	and as such it's a good time to go into cold turkey
May 04 10:45:08 <OlEnglish>	the key is to keep your hands and your mouth occupied
May 04 10:45:21 <OlEnglish>	so chew lots of gum (doesn't have to be nicotine gum) and use the keyboard alot
May 04 10:45:30 <Ironholds>	agreed
May 04 10:45:33 <OlEnglish>	or just have lots of oral sex :)
May 04 10:45:45 <Ironholds>	that'd work if only I wasn't hideously ugly
May 04 10:46:05 <sonia>	you're not hideously ugly :p
May 04 10:46:23 <Ironholds>	there are, afaik, two women in the world who think that
May 04 10:46:23 <OlEnglish>	ugly people have oral sex too?
May 04 10:46:31 <Ironholds>	excluding the one who dumped me
May 04 10:46:37 <Ironholds>	and the other one who I had a..thing? with.
May 04 10:47:05 <Ironholds>	but anyway, thanks ;p
May 04 10:47:31 <OlEnglish>	i'm only marginally ugly
May 04 10:47:43 <Ironholds>	you're on the internet! Impossible
May 04 10:47:56 <Ironholds>	the only attractive people on the internet are FBI agents
May 04 10:48:16 <sonia>	Ironholds: the FBI sure got a lot of DD-cup female agents then
May 04 10:48:31 <Ironholds>	sonia: well, you'd know
May 04 10:48:38 *	Ironholds glares at sonia suspiciously
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May 04 10:48:53 *	sonia whistles innocently, sidles behind OlEnglish
May 04 10:49:44 *	OlEnglish assumes the position
May 04 10:49:57 <OlEnglish>	you may arrest me now maam
May 04 10:50:22 <Peter-C>	Ironholds!
May 04 10:50:26 *	Peter-C glomps Ironholds
May 04 10:50:26 <Ironholds>	Peter-C?
May 04 10:50:29 <sonia>	you're getting arrested by a four-ten female? :p
May 04 10:50:30 <Ironholds>	don't touch me
May 04 10:50:38 *	Peter-C unglomps Ironholds
May 04 10:50:40 <Ironholds>	that applies to sonia too
May 04 10:50:44 <Ironholds>	I don't want to be arrested
May 04 10:50:47 <OlEnglish>	i thought you were a dd-cup fbi agent?
May 04 10:50:49 <Ironholds>	I know what they do to people like me in prison
May 04 10:50:56 <Ironholds>	OlEnglish: that doesn't preclude her being a midget
May 04 10:50:59 <Peter-C>	Cut their hair?
May 04 10:51:15 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: ...in a manner of speaking, yes. I get bits cut off.
May 04 10:51:21 <Peter-C>	o.o
May 04 10:51:38 *	sonia touches Ironholds.
May 04 10:51:46 *	Peter-C dials 999
May 04 10:51:50 <Ironholds>	sonia: as long as you're not arresting me
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May 04 10:52:21 <sonia>	but my handcuffs are currently on OlEnglish so I can't, Ironholds
May 04 10:52:40 <Peter-C>	What does OlEnglish think about it?
May 04 10:52:46 <OlEnglish>	am i detained?
May 04 10:52:50 *	OlEnglish runs away
May 04 10:53:03 <Peter-C>	Someone here has the right to remain sexy!
May 04 10:53:38 <OlEnglish>	ya
May 04 10:53:38 <Ironholds>	it's sure as hell not you
May 04 10:53:45 <OlEnglish>	i'm a prisoner of love..
May 04 10:53:49 <OlEnglish>	a fugitive of your heart
May 04 10:53:55 <Peter-C>	sonia - tackle him and strip search him for any dangerous weapons
May 04 10:53:59 *	Brian_S arrests OlEnglish and puts him on Ironholds
May 04 10:54:01 <OlEnglish>	what other cliches are there
May 04 10:54:12 <Ironholds>	sonia: remember to search his hair
May 04 10:54:17 <Ironholds>	he might be hiding AR-15 ammo in there
May 04 10:54:22 <sonia>	Peter-C: if you're so keen you can do the strip-searching
May 04 10:54:31 *	sonia handcuffs Peter-C to Ironholds
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May 04 10:55:24 <Peter-C>	O_O
May 04 10:55:28 <Peter-C>	OH GOD NO
May 04 10:55:35 *	Peter-C knaws off his arm
May 04 10:56:48 <sonia>	gnaws, even?
May 04 10:57:27 <OlEnglish>	naw
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May 04 11:08:34 <Peter-C>	I just saw Hitler in bed with the Queen of England
May 04 11:11:23 <Peter-C>	No comment?
May 04 11:12:03 <sonia>	for you, that's par for the course
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May 04 11:13:02 <Fenix2>	g'morning
May 04 11:13:16 <SpitfireWP>	Morning Juxo.
May 04 11:13:29 <Chris_G>	Peter-C, who's bed were they in?
May 04 11:13:57 <Ironholds>	the Pope's, obviously
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May 04 11:15:54 <Peter-C>	No, they were having a four some with the new royal couple
May 04 11:16:02 <Peter-C>	*sum
May 04 11:16:57 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: makes sense
May 04 11:17:02 <Chris_G>	and what exactly were you doing there?
May 04 11:17:03 <Ironholds>	hitler invaded kate's lebensraum, eh? eh? NO.
May 04 11:17:06 <sonia>	incest, necrophilia, etc
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May 04 11:18:14 <Peter-C>	Chris_G - I watched The Daily Show with Jon Stewart
May 04 11:19:16 <Ironholds>	ew. daily show.
May 04 11:19:26 <Ironholds>	they insult god on a daily basis. I refuse to watch that progrma
May 04 11:19:27 <Ironholds>	*program
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May 04 11:25:29 <barts1a>	hence the name... the daily show
May 04 11:25:54 <sonia>	hmm.
May 04 11:26:04 <sonia>	16-year-old self-outed. Are they young enough to warrant revdel?
May 04 11:26:16 <Ironholds>	good question, no idea
May 04 11:26:17 <barts1a>	I think so
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May 04 11:26:30 <sonia>	I tend to react less quickly if it's just name/age, and above 16, but better safe than sorry perhaps
May 04 11:26:37 <sonia>	if it's under 13 it goes to OS
May 04 11:26:39 <barts1a>	technically anyone under 18/21 is still legally considered a child
May 04 11:26:52 <sonia>	here in NZ they decided to go with 20 for some unknown reason
May 04 11:26:53 <Chris_G>	they're old enough to know better, depends on how much info they're giving
May 04 11:27:28 <TBloemink>	any administrator willing to block [[User talk:67.70.153.125]] their ability to edit their talk page?
May 04 11:27:31 <TBloemink>	much appreciated
May 04 11:28:55 <barts1a>	wow... someone hates the power rangers
May 04 11:29:09 <Chris_G>	TBloemink, i've semi-protected the talkpage for 3 days
May 04 11:29:40 <Chris_G>	don't really want to disable talkpage access for an entire month, since the IP is probably dynamic
May 04 11:30:09 <barts1a>	semi-ing is really the same as disabling access isn't it?
May 04 11:30:14 <TBloemink>	Yes, that's a temporary solution which works as well as blocking the talk page
May 04 11:30:33 <TBloemink>	other thing is that other IP's can edit the talk page when the IP is talkpage-blocked
May 04 11:30:38 <barts1a>	18:28, 4 May 2011 Closedmouth (talk | contribs) changed block settings for 67.70.153.125 (talk) with an expiry time of 2011-06-04T05:40:39Z (anon. only, account creation blocked, cannot edit own talk page) ‎ (Revoking talk page access: inappropriate use of user talk page while blocked
May 04 11:30:59 <barts1a>	looks like access was revoked anyway
May 04 11:31:22 <Chris_G>	 10:28, May 4, 2011 Chris G (talk | contribs | block) m (9,204 bytes) (Protected User talk:67.70.153.125: abuse ([edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 10:28, 7 May 2011 (UTC)) [move=autoconfirmed] (expires 10:28, 7 May 2011 (UTC))))
May 04 11:31:27 <Chris_G>	heh, we did it at the same time
May 04 11:32:13 <Peter-C>	Ironholds - my website is sexier than yours :)
May 04 11:32:14 <barts1a>	so both types of IP talk page denial were done at once. Wow... Synchronized blocking really IS the next Olympic sport (!)
May 04 11:32:29 <barts1a>	AFK
May 04 11:32:47 <closedmouth>	oh, woops
May 04 11:33:14 <Chris_G>	barts1a, nah, you end up with block conflicts
May 04 11:33:28 <sonia>	Chris_G: sometimes they just don't go through
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May 04 11:38:06 <Peter-C>	YAY
May 04 11:38:31 <Peter-C>	My website is the 4,215,268th most viewed website in the world :D
May 04 11:38:44 <Peter-C>	635,443rd in the US :D
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May 04 11:39:22 *	Peter-C glomps LauraHale
May 04 11:39:29 <TBloemink>	website about?
May 04 11:39:35 <Mitchazenia>	:|
May 04 11:39:38 *	LauraHale counter glomps Peter-C
May 04 11:39:40 <TBloemink>	LauraHale: how was your flight?
May 04 11:39:54 <LauraHale>	TBloemink: It was fine. :)
May 04 11:39:59 *	Peter-C tosses the book "Human Sexual Response" at LauraHale
May 04 11:40:02 <LauraHale>	Qantas got me to Australia.
May 04 11:40:03 <TBloemink>	did you have those personal screens?
May 04 11:40:06 <Peter-C>	TBloemink - ME :D
May 04 11:40:14 <Peter-C>	Me, me, me
May 04 11:40:17 <LauraHale>	TBloemink: Yes, and was happy to know that in advance. :D
May 04 11:40:34 <TBloemink>	:) I read about those screens, are really cool
May 04 11:40:41 *	TBloemink had those in their A380
May 04 11:40:47 *	LauraHale hides books from Peter-C
May 04 11:40:51 <Peter-C>	:(
May 04 11:41:39 *	LauraHale gives books back to Peter-C
May 04 11:42:06 <TBloemink>	oh, the 737 screens are not the same as the a380's screens
May 04 11:42:21 <TBloemink>	although they are the same huge type, the a380 has 1000 cd's, the 737 200
May 04 11:42:46 <Peter-C>	:D
May 04 11:42:48 *	Peter-C glomps LauraHale
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May 04 11:46:06 <Mitchazenia>	YOU KILLED HER
May 04 11:46:08 <Mitchazenia>	:P
May 04 11:46:24 *	Mitchazenia slaps Peter-C in the face
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May 04 11:48:37 <Peter-C>	The weirdest thing happened to me
May 04 11:48:41 <Peter-C>	I was walking
May 04 11:49:01 <Peter-C>	Then a nice lady came up to me and said, "You look lonely, want company?"
May 04 11:49:06 <Peter-C>	And she was all nice
May 04 11:49:09 <Peter-C>	so I said yes
May 04 11:49:15 <Peter-C>	Then she wanted money
May 04 11:49:17 <Peter-C>	WTF?
May 04 11:49:46 <Peter-C>	Mitchazenia some girls are weird
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May 04 11:50:07 <Mitchazenia>	:|
May 04 11:50:17 <Peter-C>	I KNOW RIGHT
May 04 11:50:17 <Peter-C>	!
May 04 11:50:33 <Mitchazenia>	No, that's to you for bringing it up
May 04 11:50:34 <Mitchazenia>	:p
May 04 11:51:07 <Peter-C>	>_>
May 04 11:51:21 <Peter-C>	Mitchazenia - you are never going to get Sue Gardener!
May 04 11:51:27 *	Peter-C slaps Mitchazenia and runs
May 04 11:51:40 *	Mitchazenia kicks Peter in the balls
May 04 11:51:45 <Mitchazenia>	if you have any
May 04 11:51:54 <Peter-C>	Peter-C down! Peter-C down!
May 04 11:52:03 *	Peter-C falls over in pain
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May 04 11:52:16 <Peter-C>	We have a Peter-C down
May 04 11:54:54 *	Mitchazenia handcuffs Peter to a fire hydrant popular with dogs
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May 04 11:55:37 <Mitchazenia>	at 6:54 am?
May 04 11:55:50 <Mitchazenia>	I don't even leave for campus until 7:15
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May 04 12:26:16 <Qcoder00>	ROFL - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sfan00_IMG#TFD
May 04 12:26:50 <Qcoder00>	Once again someone is complaining because someone has the balls to actually 'massacre' refer a list of unused stuff
May 04 12:27:19 <Qcoder00>	If people are  prone to moan when people have the balls to try and cleanup stuff it's no wonder people leave the project
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May 04 12:52:37 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#T4:_Unused_template
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May 04 12:55:19 <Delta>	any admins around?
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May 04 12:56:54 <Qcoder00>	Hi Delta
May 04 12:57:10 <Qcoder00>	I need your feedback on something
May 04 12:57:27 <Qcoder00>	Apparently mass refferal of Unused templates to TfD is seen as a BAD THINF
May 04 12:57:35 <Delta>	Qcoder00: how should I tag an image with conflicting licenses?
May 04 12:57:38 <Qcoder00>	And I've been told to conisder using a CSD method
May 04 12:57:56 <Qcoder00>	Delta:   Wasn't there a {{Conficted license}} tag?
May 04 12:58:23 <Qcoder00>	Or if it was more obviously incompatible {{di-conflicited-license}}
May 04 12:58:27 <Qcoder00>	IIRC
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May 04 13:12:01 <Ironholds>	Email pruning = not fun
May 04 13:12:18 <Ironholds>	"you have 39 new emails! Also, about 60 with asterisks next to them to indicate you should probably reply at some stage"
May 04 13:12:33 <Ironholds>	Gmail: because your blood pressure just isn't high enough
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May 04 13:13:01 <Qcoder00>	At least you don't get junk mail on GMail
May 04 13:13:09 <Qcoder00>	(Unlike some OTHER notable brands)
May 04 13:13:18 <Ironholds>	no, I still get junk mail
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May 04 13:14:38 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds:  You may be interested to know that {{UK-LEG}} was recently improved
May 04 13:15:07 <Qcoder00>	I'm still intending someone develop a much fuller and flexible version in it's sandbox though
May 04 13:15:32 <Qcoder00>	In time , I intend to replace all the OPSI/HMSO links in article space with {{UK-LEG}} transculsions
May 04 13:15:49 <Qcoder00>	In most cases it's not a difficult conversion
May 04 13:15:55 <Qcoder00>	The SLD links will take longer
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May 04 13:27:36 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: this is the third time you have told me that
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May 04 14:24:11 <Qcoder00>	Afternoon
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May 04 14:24:30 <Fluffernutter>	hi Qcoder00
May 04 14:24:40 <Qcoder00>	is there a tag for - THis image seems not to be sourced but I don't want to CSD it because it was uploaded a while ago?
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May 04 14:36:45 <Qcoder00>	Admin requested
May 04 14:41:35 <zscout370>	Qcoder00: yes
May 04 14:41:51 <Qcoder00>	See Talk page for Information
May 04 14:41:59 <Qcoder00>	{{Information}} template
May 04 14:42:44 <Qcoder00>	Also I've forgotten the tag to put on templates to say don't delete  because there are designed to be subst
May 04 14:43:17 <zscout370>	not fully awake to edit that template, but I have it watchlisted so if no one got around to it, I can do it later
May 04 14:43:36 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Add-author-I is designed to be subst on User_Talk: pages and I's like to ensure it gets tagged properly
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May 04 14:47:17 <zscout370>	understood
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May 04 14:51:07 <Qcoder00>	I'd also appreciate someone tidying up the documenation ,
May 04 14:51:33 <Qcoder00>	I'm having a look at the templates I've created to see if some need documentation adding as well
May 04 14:53:30 <zscout370>	if I didn't only have 4 hours of sleep and finals, I would have taken care of it my friend :D
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May 04 15:11:46 <topaz>	  /win 3
May 04 15:12:43 *	Fluffernutter blinks
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May 04 15:19:14 <Delta>	topaz: FAIL
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May 04 15:22:57 <topaz>	no, win!
May 04 15:22:59 <topaz>	can't you read?
May 04 15:23:00 <topaz>	sheesh.
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May 04 15:26:03 <Qcoder00>	Hi
May 04 15:26:10 <Qcoder00>	Anyone here good at documenting stuff?
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May 04 15:43:09 <Mike5>	vandal only account/hoaxer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Carter2012
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May 04 15:46:04 <eptalon>	heyas
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May 04 15:58:18 <ZT>	[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James William Middleton]] fanboyism and total disregard for the policy at its worst :(
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May 04 16:01:14 <SMasters>	Can anyone tell me when the Formula One season runs (months)?
May 04 16:02:19 <Fluffernutter>	i think i have ADD. this is ridiculous
May 04 16:02:58 <zenner>	http://www.formula1.com/
May 04 16:03:04 <zenner>	sure it's on there somewhere, SMasters
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May 04 16:03:30 <ZT>	SMasters: about 8 months
May 04 16:03:39 <zenner>	Monnaco coming up, but I'll be at the Indy 500 over in Lot2 watching it on the jumbotron :P
May 04 16:03:57 <SMasters>	Thanks ZT, from what month to what month?
May 04 16:04:10 <zenner>	the Indy 500 = IMS for the Indy 500
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May 04 16:04:34 <zenner>	http://www.formula1.com/races/calendar.html
May 04 16:04:39 <zenner>	march - nov
May 04 16:04:51 <SMasters>	Thanks!
May 04 16:05:14 <SMasters>	I'm preparing my interview for the Signpost for WP F1 :)
May 04 16:05:27 <ZT>	cool
May 04 16:06:15 <ZT>	so if I wanted to start one huge 200-article AfD how am I supposed to start that nom?
May 04 16:06:17 <zenner>	sad F1 isn't taken seriously in the US and hence we don't get a race anymore
May 04 16:06:38 <zenner>	the Indianapolis race a few years ago, with the tire debacle, gave F1 a huge blackeye here
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May 04 16:07:54 <zenner>	isn't the only time tires have been a problem at Indy either. That track is tough with that surface they have on it. Even NASCAR had an embarrassing race there
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May 04 16:12:54 <Ironholds>	fething internet
May 04 16:13:31 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris wants you, Irish_Eddy
May 04 16:13:37 <Fluffernutter>	er, Ironholds
May 04 16:14:00 <Irish_Eddy>	Where, what?
May 04 16:14:09 <Fluffernutter>	sorry, i didn't mean to ping you
May 04 16:14:13 <tommorris>	Irish_Eddy: Fluffernutter tab-completed you by mistake
May 04 16:14:28 *	tommorris suggests it may be down to one-handed typing ;-)
May 04 16:14:46 *	Irish_Eddy tickles flutternutter in revenge...
May 04 16:15:03 *	Fluffernutter raises a snobbish eyebrow at tommorris
May 04 16:15:16 <tommorris>	oh yeah, funny WP related story for y'all
May 04 16:15:45 <tommorris>	last week, when I was staying in the Netherlands, the day before we leave, someone decides to vandalise some WP articles
May 04 16:16:24 <tommorris>	I, of course, knew that they were going to do this, so had added the IP address to my unofficial secret blacklist of people who I check up on
May 04 16:16:33 <zenner>	did you have to stay an extra day and fix them?
May 04 16:16:36 <tommorris>	I wake up early, see three vandalism edits and rollback them
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May 04 16:16:54 <tommorris>	they wake up, come up for breakfast, and I'm like "Vandalising the wiki is naughty!"
May 04 16:17:05 <tommorris>	lulz lulz lulz they got caught
May 04 16:17:06 <tommorris>	but then
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May 04 16:17:30 <tommorris>	a while later they say that since one of the edits was about me, me rollbacking it was an infringement of the COI guidelines and that they could get me banned
May 04 16:17:43 <topaz>	it.... what?
May 04 16:17:45 <tommorris>	I then shout "DON'T YOU TRY AND WIKILAWYER ME. I WILL WIN."
May 04 16:17:46 <SMasters>	You have a secret blacklist - :)
May 04 16:17:49 <Fluffernutter>	and these are...friends of yours?
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May 04 16:18:12 <Ironholds>	tommorris: why were you in dutchstroopawfeland?
May 04 16:18:20 <Qcoder00>	Smasters: Just be glad it's not a Super Secret Double Blacklist... ;)
May 04 16:18:31 <SMasters>	:)
May 04 16:18:39 <tommorris>	Ironholds: we were escaping the royal wedding by drinking lots of beer, hacking and falling in canals
May 04 16:18:41 <zenner>	tommorris, sounds like you fed the troll by giving him attention
May 04 16:18:51 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I escaped by going 3,000 miles away
May 04 16:18:56 <Ironholds>	and it STILL wasn't fucking enough
May 04 16:19:03 <tommorris>	late at night, after a few bears, I did infringe on [[WP:BEANS]] a few times
May 04 16:19:06 <Ironholds>	next time I'm just going to shoot the happy couple a week before. So much more reasonable.
May 04 16:19:08 <tommorris>	beers rather
May 04 16:19:28 *	Ironholds giggles at bears, having pictured tommorris being waterboarded by grizzlies for his Internal Wikipedia Sekrets
May 04 16:19:32 <Fluffernutter>	ffs, Ironholds, you're the one who was obsessively replaying a youtube video about it. You lost your standing to whine about the wedding
May 04 16:19:39 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: it was a PARODY video
May 04 16:19:46 <SMasters>	Maybe the happy weed they smoke made them do it
May 04 16:19:48 <Fluffernutter>	it was ABOUT THE WEDDING
May 04 16:19:50 <Ironholds>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=65g20v3PzoM
May 04 16:19:59 <tommorris>	my only connection with the royal wedding was approving a few pending changes about it on en Wikinews
May 04 16:20:13 <tommorris>	and then getting into a fucking big argument about whether wikinews should have covered the royal wedding
May 04 16:20:15 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I was in the US, so cue overcoverage
May 04 16:20:26 *	Fluffernutter snorts
May 04 16:20:27 <tommorris>	yep, well, in NL, they had Queensday
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May 04 16:20:51 <tommorris>	and Queensday is like the royal wedding, but with loads more beer and loads more weed
May 04 16:21:09 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: you didn't look up from your article writing and wikipedian-chatting the entire two weeks, how coul dyou possibly have overloaded on the wedding anyway?
May 04 16:21:19 <tommorris>	and lots of dutch hip-hop, which is not a good thing
May 04 16:21:39 <Irish_Eddy>	You were in Amsterdam with Queensday?
May 04 16:21:41 <tommorris>	yes
May 04 16:21:49 <tommorris>	it was mental mental radio rentals
May 04 16:21:58 <tommorris>	or something
May 04 16:22:11 <Despatche>	is the rumor that the US cared way more about this wedding than the UK true
May 04 16:22:19 <tommorris>	quite possibly
May 04 16:22:25 <Ironholds>	Despatche: no idea, given that I wasn't in both at the same time, that being physically impossible
May 04 16:22:35 <Ironholds>	I can verify that the US were definitely mental about it
May 04 16:22:36 <ThrashOut>	is it?
May 04 16:22:46 <Irish_Eddy>	as read the article correct about the quarter of a million people decended on Amsterdam by public transport alone...
May 04 16:22:55 <Ironholds>	ThrashOut: actually, I can think of two locations in which I'd be in both nations at once
May 04 16:22:56 <tommorris>	I wasn't in either, but from reports, the US actually got very excited about it
May 04 16:23:04 <Ironholds>	but standing with one foot in the embassy and one foot in the host nation doesn't really count
May 04 16:23:05 <ThrashOut>	:)
May 04 16:23:23 <tommorris>	surely at the airport?
May 04 16:24:11 <tommorris>	Irish_Eddy: not sure about that
May 04 16:24:37 <tommorris>	Irish_Eddy: you could drive to the outside of Amsterdam and then park up and walk in
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May 04 16:24:54 <Irish_Eddy>	as a wannabee Irish-man of Dutch origin, for sure I know that :-)
May 04 16:24:57 <Viktor12345>	e;o
May 04 16:25:13 <Ironholds>	tommorris: why the airport?
May 04 16:25:18 <Viktor12345>	down south any 1
May 04 16:25:45 <SMasters>	Well, CNN flew all their stars to London to blanket cover the wedding.
May 04 16:25:45 <Viktor12345>	watz up here
May 04 16:25:49 <tommorris>	Ironholds: I'm not sure. Seems like after you've shown your passport, there's probably barmy legal situations
May 04 16:26:00 <Ironholds>	tommorris: no, the legal situation is fairly clear
May 04 16:26:04 <Ironholds>	it only changes once you get in the air
May 04 16:26:14 <SMasters>	AC was forced to eat a bacon butty.
May 04 16:26:16 <Ironholds>	except for the purposes of executing wills, where the Hague Convention on Private Law is pretty clear
May 04 16:26:25 <Ironholds>	(why do I know this?)
May 04 16:26:43 <Irish_Eddy>	Don't know, please tell!
May 04 16:26:44 <Ironholds>	technically I think it's the *fifth* convention
May 04 16:26:45 <tommorris>	SMasters: Bacon butty? Amateurs. If you really want to gross Americans out, give them Marmite.
May 04 16:26:58 <Ironholds>	Irish_Eddy: well, the fifth convention is on the execution of wills
May 04 16:27:15 <Ironholds>	which is something international law, for obvious reasons, had to deal with
May 04 16:27:34 <Ironholds>	anyway, one of the clauses (I think it's section 2 subsections 1-3) covers the execution of wills in airspace
May 04 16:27:44 <tommorris>	someone did tell me that they think they've come up with a simple test that can be used to determine Britishness, to replace the current Citizenship exam:
May 04 16:27:57 <tommorris>	sing the first few bars of the Eastenders theme tune
May 04 16:27:59 <SMasters>	I love Marmite! But then, I'm not American. :)
May 04 16:28:35 <tommorris>	I didn't want to say "YouTube" to him and refute his theory
May 04 16:28:46 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I've got a better citizenship test
May 04 16:28:52 <Ironholds>	"is the sun normally right?"
May 04 16:29:02 <tommorris>	Fuck no.
May 04 16:29:04 <tommorris>	It's a newspaper.
May 04 16:29:07 <tommorris>	It's published in Britain.
May 04 16:29:11 <tommorris>	Ergo, it's not normally right.
May 04 16:29:50 <Irish_Eddy>	it is pulp fiction
May 04 16:30:00 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Non-free_physical_media_image -Anyone know where this should categorise to?
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May 04 16:30:17 <Qcoder00>	Currently it categorises to album covers which isn't accurate in all cases
May 04 16:30:36 <SMasters>	The Sun is written for a 9-year-old to read, preferably in 2 paragraphs or less.
May 04 16:30:44 <Qcoder00>	A 9 Year old?
May 04 16:30:56 <tommorris>	that's about right
May 04 16:31:04 <Irish_Eddy>	Wikth the Page 3 girlas
May 04 16:31:15 <Irish_Eddy>	with the Page 3 girls?
May 04 16:31:29 <Qcoder00>	I think Page3 is a BAD thing
May 04 16:31:49 <tommorris>	if you can forgive the misogyny, the Sun provides a perfect example of the difference between sense and reference: it is written by cunts for twats.
May 04 16:31:57 <Qcoder00>	Porn should be in 'controlled' publications NOT general newspapers
May 04 16:32:12 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  What about other tabloids?
May 04 16:32:36 <tommorris>	but, but, however will I know how to vote unless a topless woman tells me her sophisticated and well-considered political opinions in a thought bubble?
May 04 16:32:37 <Irish_Eddy>	more boobies then brains?
May 04 16:33:07 <SMasters>	Yes, the vocabulary is written for a 9-year-old
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May 04 16:33:19 <Ironholds_>	fuck this, switched to laptop
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May 04 16:33:35 <Irish_Eddy>	Officially it isn't porn. What is shows it the same you can see of girls on a sunny day at the beach.
May 04 16:33:37 *	Fluffernutter flipped back to this window just in time to see "more boobies than brains"
May 04 16:34:14 <Irish_Eddy>	It doesn't show much respect.
May 04 16:34:18 <SMasters>	The Sun was, and probably still is, the most profitable English language newspaper in the world, according the the Guiness Book of Records.
May 04 16:34:30 <SMasters>	Sadly
May 04 16:34:43 <tommorris>	The Sun newspaper: making Simple English Wikinews redundant since 1963
May 04 16:34:52 <Ironholds>	SMasters: and this is why I hate democracies
May 04 16:35:00 <Ironholds>	it involves giving sun readers the vote
May 04 16:35:25 <tommorris>	want another reason to think Voting is Evil? tomorrow, when the idiots of this country will probably retain our utterly broken voting system
May 04 16:35:47 <Ironholds>	tommorris: looks like it. There's only one thing sustaining me
May 04 16:35:58 <Ironholds>	the fact that Northampton will undoubtedly vote in favour
May 04 16:36:11 <Ironholds>	because if they don't, I will pick the first 10 no-voters to identify themselves to me
May 04 16:36:24 <Ironholds>	and I will hang them from the guildhall via meathooks through their shoulder muscles
May 04 16:36:25 <SMasters>	That's why China cannot be a democracy. Not yet anyway.
May 04 16:36:28 <tommorris>	let me guess: you've smuggled a potent neurotoxin from a secret US government laboratory and release it in the constituency with the largest no vote.
May 04 16:36:28 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 04 16:36:40 *	Fluffernutter backs away from Ironholds
May 04 16:36:49 <tommorris>	no wait, if they are voting no, the last thing they need is MORE neural degeneration
May 04 16:36:56 <Ironholds>	tommorris: no, but I could ANNOUNCE I'd done that and then cower every constituency into voting yes
May 04 16:36:58 <Ironholds>	that'd be nice
May 04 16:37:37 <Irish_Eddy>	I thought Rotten Boroughs were disenfranchised?
May 04 16:37:52 <tommorris>	The argument for AV: it leads to fairer elections where the will of the people gets better represented than the current system.
May 04 16:38:07 <Ironholds>	Irish_Eddy: yes, in 1831
May 04 16:38:08 <tommorris>	The argument against AV: you are too stupid to write "1, 2, 3" on a voting form rather than "X".
May 04 16:38:11 <Ironholds>	*2
May 04 16:38:20 <Ironholds>	tommorris: to be fair, I do kind of see their point
May 04 16:38:27 <Irish_Eddy>	but is seems some are still rotten...
May 04 16:38:28 <Ironholds>	I'm a former campaigns manager
May 04 16:38:30 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: sounds persuasive if the british populace is anything like the american
May 04 16:38:41 <Ironholds>	I've met the public, I've spoken to them about what they want, what they feel and what they support
May 04 16:38:43 <tommorris>	yes, if you are stupid enough to not be able to rank candidates on a ballot form, you are probably stupid enough to be voting no to AV
May 04 16:38:53 <Ironholds>	I've argued, debated, convinced and chatted to them
May 04 16:38:55 <Ironholds>	I know these people
May 04 16:39:02 <Ironholds>	and quite frankly, I want to shoot every last fucking one of them
May 04 16:39:15 <tommorris>	"Nobody eNobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of - Thinkexist ...
May 04 16:39:20 <tommorris>	gah I hate you Linux
May 04 16:39:25 <Ironholds>	the greatest argument against democracy is five minutes with the average voter, they say
May 04 16:39:39 <tommorris>	“Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."
May 04 16:39:42 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds: But where are you going to get the guns to shoot them?
May 04 16:39:43 <Ironholds>	this makes rather a depressing thought when you realise that some economics studies put 95 percent of the electorate below the average.
May 04 16:39:45 <tommorris>	the 'American' in that sentence is redundant
May 04 16:39:53 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: I am actually going to apply for a license
May 04 16:39:55 <Ironholds>	in..one month.
May 04 16:40:06 <Qcoder00>	You can still get gun licenses?
May 04 16:40:08 <Ironholds>	because in one month I'll know if I have to move or not
May 04 16:40:10 <tommorris>	yes, shotgun
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May 04 16:40:16 <Ironholds>	I was thinking rifle, but sure
May 04 16:40:35 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: speaking of, heard anything about the interview date?
May 04 16:40:38 <Qcoder00>	Rabbits getting bad in Southampton or wherever it is you are?
May 04 16:40:40 <Irish_Eddy>	England should move to the Irish system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote
May 04 16:40:44 <tommorris>	the people who really piss me off are the "I'm going to vote no to AV to 'punish the LibDems'"
May 04 16:40:47 <tommorris>	SRSLY?
May 04 16:40:59 <tommorris>	I mean, throw the baby out with the bathwater while you are at it
May 04 16:41:27 *	Qcoder00 isn't an expert on UK Gun laws, but thought when applying you had to state WHY you needed one...
May 04 16:41:31 <tommorris>	also, Citizendium are trying to decide whether or not to use FPTP... ;-)
May 04 16:41:32 *	mindspillage despairs at the US too--these people look old enough to vote: http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2011/05/who-is-osama-bin-laden/ 
May 04 16:41:52 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  What voting system does Wikipedia use?
May 04 16:41:58 *	Fluffernutter stares at mindspillage
May 04 16:42:03 <tommorris>	ideally, no voting system
May 04 16:42:07 *	Fluffernutter hides under the table, sobbing quietly
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May 04 16:42:14 <tommorris>	Wikipedia uses the "Voting is Evil" voting system
May 04 16:42:21 <Ironholds>	tommorris: as in, for formal elections?
May 04 16:42:24 <Ironholds>	sorry, Qcoder00?
May 04 16:42:25 <tommorris>	yep
May 04 16:42:33 <tommorris>	for the Management Council elections
May 04 16:42:36 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: formally we use FPTP, I think
May 04 16:42:39 <Ironholds>	tommorris: har
May 04 16:42:41 <tommorris>	thankfully, they didn't decide to draft me
May 04 16:42:43 <wctaiwan>	wait, doesn't the community "vote" for arbitration committee members?
May 04 16:43:08 <Qcoder00>	Yes, but Jimbo can 'technically' ignore the results...
May 04 16:43:15 <Qcoder00>	but doesn't
May 04 16:43:17 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: no, he can't.
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May 04 16:43:23 <Fluffernutter>	he did at least once in the past, iirc
May 04 16:43:32 <Ironholds>	the updated arbitration policy makes clear that he can fuck off in that regard
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May 04 16:43:37 <Fluffernutter>	in the sense of adding extra sports to fill with people who weren't elected
May 04 16:43:42 <wctaiwan>	Is it Jimbo? or [position] of Wikipedia Foundation?
May 04 16:43:47 <Ironholds>	wctaiwan: Jimbo.
May 04 16:43:52 <wctaiwan>	:|
May 04 16:43:54 <Ironholds>	but again, he's not going to have that role any longer
May 04 16:43:57 <tommorris>	ooh, weird, I've never seen this page before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:
May 04 16:44:02 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds:  Oh right, Wikipedia doesn't have  Founder perogative to over-rule elections then?
May 04 16:44:29 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: not any more, no
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May 04 16:44:35 <tommorris>	Ironholds: do go on? Jimbo is being ousted?
May 04 16:44:37 <Fluffernutter>	can i get a second opinion on whether this removal should be let to stand: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Strychnine_poisoning&curid=10228607&diff=427422229&oldid=426335654
May 04 16:44:42 <Ironholds>	tommorris: from his AC role
May 04 16:44:48 <Ironholds>	not from anything else (if he actually did anything else)
May 04 16:45:16 <Ironholds>	mindspillage: one fist. two fist.
May 04 16:45:34 <Qcoder00>	Well I suppose it's inveitable that over time a  figure like Jimbo has to yield to 'constitutional' change within an organisation..
May 04 16:45:37 <Fluffernutter>	red fist blue fist?
May 04 16:45:52 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: more "he's a prick and the current AC hate him"
May 04 16:46:01 <wctaiwan>	Fluffernutter: What was the rationale provided? The content seems fairly okay to me
May 04 16:46:15 <wctaiwan>	Oh wait, never mind
May 04 16:46:16 <wctaiwan>	saw it
May 04 16:46:18 <Fluffernutter>	yeah
May 04 16:46:31 <tommorris>	an orderly transition from monarchy to self-governance?
May 04 16:46:41 *	tommorris orgasms at the thought
May 04 16:46:46 <Fluffernutter>	whoa now
May 04 16:46:51 <tommorris>	oh, wait, we are talking about WP?
May 04 16:46:53 *	Fluffernutter hands tommorris a tissue, inches away
May 04 16:47:02 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  I think Jimbo's still a 'figurehead' for a lot of things on English Wikipedia at least
May 04 16:47:09 <SMasters>	Fluffernutter there's broken ref tags on that article
May 04 16:47:18 *	tommorris thought we were discussing the country he resides in
May 04 16:47:20 <wctaiwan>	Fluffernutter: The information isn't very useful but I don't see why it shouldn't be there in particular?
May 04 16:47:28 <Qcoder00>	Like the Arbcom elections , although as Ironholds points out that's changing
May 04 16:47:31 <wctaiwan>	the "wikipedia is not censored" stuff and all that.
May 04 16:47:58 *	tommorris has getting rid of Prince Charles as a higher item on his agenda than getting rid of Jimbo
May 04 16:48:20 <wctaiwan>	perhaps remove the information on baiting and the redundant "either through accidental ingestion or intentional poisoning"
May 04 16:48:37 *	Fluffernutter reverts edit
May 04 16:49:20 <tommorris>	oh man, Google have changed it so that the Instant function doesn't autocomplete mean things
May 04 16:49:24 <tommorris>	like if I type in
May 04 16:49:30 <tommorris>	Kelvin MacKenzie is a
May 04 16:49:34 <tommorris>	it doesn't suggest "twat"
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May 04 16:50:24 <Ironholds>	aw :(
May 04 16:50:26 <Ironholds>	but he IS
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May 04 16:51:02 *	Fluffernutter finds the pronunciation of "twat", at least in briteng, a continual surprise
May 04 16:51:18 <Fluffernutter>	i expect to hear "twaht" and instead hear "twaet"
May 04 16:51:53 <Ironholds>	you pronounce it "tweht", so fuck you
May 04 16:51:54 <SMasters>	tommorris When I type james middleton it suggests "drunk"
May 04 16:52:10 <tommorris>	ah, that's okay
May 04 16:52:25 <Fluffernutter>	i don't think i've ever spoken the word at all, Ironholds
May 04 16:52:42 <Ironholds>	hah
May 04 16:52:51 <Ironholds>	someone's protecting the page I was edit-warring over so only sysops can edit it
May 04 16:53:00 <Ironholds>	it's like fucking groundhog day
May 04 16:53:01 <SMasters>	There were complaints because after the Royal Wedding, Google was suggesting "james middleton gay" lol
May 04 16:53:03 <Ironholds>	only this time, they're not involved
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May 04 16:53:26 <Qcoder00>	tommoris: have your tried asking Google about Chiropractors? XD
May 04 16:53:47 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: why were you edit-warring?
May 04 16:53:48 <tommorris>	chiropractors are not doctors
May 04 16:53:51 <tommorris>	chiropractors are quacks
May 04 16:54:05 <Irish_Eddy>	I have removed the last sentence of strynine. That was almost a manual
May 04 16:54:07 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Your evidence for that ?
May 04 16:54:13 <tommorris>	Qcoder00: Google
May 04 16:54:17 <Tothwolf>	the ones with dials and lights gadgets tend to be
May 04 16:54:21 <Irish_Eddy>	what to use to kill adog.
May 04 16:54:22 <geniice>	hmm on balance I suspect this article would have been better if the author has read the wikipedia article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-13277022
May 04 16:54:23 <Fluffernutter>	Qcoder00: science
May 04 16:54:30 <tommorris>	reminds me of http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
May 04 16:54:36 <closedmouth>	chiropratic is not based on science
May 04 16:54:56 <Qcoder00>	closedmouth:   You can afford 300,000 UKP to say that? XD
May 04 16:55:06 <closedmouth>	you said that last time
May 04 16:55:36 <Fluffernutter>	Ah, the United Kingdom, where speaking the truth about pseudoscience gets you sued by whiny bitches
May 04 16:55:42 <wctaiwan>	Irish_Eddy: I liked your edit summary :P
May 04 16:55:53 <tommorris>	Fluffernutter: yes, but if you phrase it right, you can get away with it
May 04 16:56:03 <Irish_Eddy>	:-)
May 04 16:56:08 <tommorris>	like if you call them shit-eating halfwits, that's fair comment
May 04 16:56:43 <geniice>	tommorris i can provide peer reviewed scientific data that it works as well as a placebo
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May 04 16:57:07 <tommorris>	geniice: feel free to e-mail them then ;-)
May 04 16:57:18 <geniice>	http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12668794?dopt=Abstract
May 04 16:57:49 <Ironholds>	geniice: "non-medicine works almost as well as non-medicine which doesn't work as well as actual medicine" is your argument, then
May 04 16:58:02 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 04 16:58:06 <Irish_Eddy>	you mean that chiropractic treatment works just as good as sugar cubes in disguise?
May 04 16:58:15 <Fluffernutter>	tastes worse, though
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May 04 16:58:36 <tommorris>	there is some evidence that spinal manipulation is good for lower back problems
May 04 16:58:46 <geniice>	Ironholds non-medicine is statisticaly indistinguishable from sugar pills (it's chemicaly indistinguishable in most cases as well)
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May 04 16:59:05 <geniice>	also sugar pills are cheaper
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May 04 16:59:28 <tommorris>	there is not good evidence that spinal manipulation works well for, oh, eczema.
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May 04 17:00:13 <Irish_Eddy>	That is abit of a strange argument.
May 04 17:00:38 <Irish_Eddy>	There is also no prove that antibiotics help against a bloody nose.
May 04 17:01:04 <Ironholds>	tommorris: it does, actually
May 04 17:01:07 <Irish_Eddy>	the common bloody nose, al least
May 04 17:01:17 <Ironholds>	if they grab your spine in both hands, wrench, and fuck it up, eczema is no longer your issue!
May 04 17:01:40 <Irish_Eddy>	*grin*
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May 04 17:02:21 <Irish_Eddy>	This is a case of "the cure is worse then the disease" :-)
May 04 17:02:24 <Tothwolf>	zomg...thats the last time i say something bad about a quack chiropractor...one must've just used a "mind ray" to lock up my irc computer ;P
May 04 17:02:39 <Fluffernutter>	i have ezcema and asthma, and my mother used to take me to a chiropractor. He fixed neither issue.
May 04 17:02:49 <Fluffernutter>	but he sure made a lot of money off us
May 04 17:02:53 <Theo10011>	heh
May 04 17:03:04 <Theo10011>	didn't know you could massage asthma away.
May 04 17:03:07 <tommorris>	Ironholds: just reading article from last year about Lord Phillips' suggestion that there should be a new 'honest comment' defence for libel/defamation to replace 'fair comment'. Thoughts?
May 04 17:03:39 *	tommorris wishes there was a hell so chiropractors who treat infants could go there.
May 04 17:03:56 <SMasters>	I have ezcema and I've never heard that a chiro can fix that. And I'm not about to waste my money trying it.
May 04 17:04:09 <Irish_Eddy>	But strange enough a a "magnetician" (do you call it like that?) manged to cure my sister from spastic intestins, what no medical doctor could do.
May 04 17:04:12 <Fluffernutter>	some of them, in my experience, mean well and just haven't thought throught the fact that there's no evidence that whst they do is useful
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May 04 17:04:17 <tommorris>	certain chiropractors believe that they can treat ANYTHING
May 04 17:04:23 *	geniice loves the way english libel laws are currently set up to incentivise killing anyone you libel
May 04 17:04:41 <Fluffernutter>	SMasters: the only thing that works on my eczema is heavy steroids and/or ointments with FDa black-box "this is going to give you cancer in a few years" warnings
May 04 17:04:50 <Theo10011>	Isn't it just glorified masseuses.
May 04 17:05:06 <geniice>	tommorris well given the history of chiropractory they are at least being consistent
May 04 17:05:09 <tommorris>	no, chiropractic is more than just a massage
May 04 17:05:29 <tommorris>	spinal readjustment with a potential for really fucking up your back.
May 04 17:05:51 *	Fluffernutter nods
May 04 17:05:52 <tommorris>	basically, once you start hearing *CRAAAACK* it has stopped being massage
May 04 17:06:09 <Theo10011>	so can a bad massage.
May 04 17:06:26 <geniice>	tommorris look on the plus side. At least these have died out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Perkins_tractors_science_museum.jpg
May 04 17:06:28 <SMasters>	Fluffernutter: If mine gets very bad, I need to take antihistamines. I try to avoid the steroids but sometime I need to use it as well. :(
May 04 17:06:40 <SMasters>	*sometimes*
May 04 17:06:50 <geniice>	hmm need to go back to the science museum and get a better photo of those
May 04 17:07:21 <Fluffernutter>	SMasters: i'm on a steady diet of antihistimines as it is to keep breathing through the pollen
May 04 17:07:35 *	Fluffernutter is a biological disaster
May 04 17:08:18 *	tommorris feels less bad about his large feet and frequent dental fillings
May 04 17:08:22 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter, I need some advice
May 04 17:08:24 <SMasters>	Unfortunately, it's mostly genetics
May 04 17:08:31 <Ironholds>	you are probably the worst person to ask about this
May 04 17:08:31 <Fluffernutter>	bout what, Ironholds?
May 04 17:08:39 <Fluffernutter>	and yet you're about to ask me
May 04 17:09:03 <Ironholds>	I am hanging out with Beth in a couple of weeks. We are getting horribly drunk and she has jokingly said she'll "wear a low cut top and offer a couple of pulls to make up for acting like a dick"
May 04 17:09:08 <Ironholds>	worth pursuing, at least for canoodling?
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May 04 17:09:29 <geniice>	eh whats the worse that can happen
May 04 17:09:38 <Fluffernutter>	well, if you get canoodling are you going to think she's offering more and then be hurt again?
May 04 17:10:40 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: I would point out a certain two-week long period with no strings attached which highlights the fact that that is not my only setting ;p
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May 04 17:11:40 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: the girl you spent that two weeks with was emphatically not Beth and was, in fact, someone you stressed that you weren't interested in. As opposed to a girl you asked out and then felt like crap after she rejected you.
May 04 17:12:38 <Ironholds>	well, yes
May 04 17:12:43 <Ironholds>	but to be fair I was at the time unmedicated
May 04 17:12:53 <Ironholds>	and also y'know getting over the whole "repeatedly fucked over" thing
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May 04 17:22:49 <The_Thing>	Well, I'm an idiot...
May 04 17:23:01 <The_Thing>	Someone stole my laptop bag from my unlocked car last night.
May 04 17:23:14 <tommorris>	with laptop inside?
May 04 17:23:17 <The_Thing>	But, that's almost all that they took, was the bag itself.
May 04 17:24:07 <The_Thing>	They took just about everything out of it... my laptop, the charger, my schoolwork and books... everything but my external drive, they took out of the bag, laid it on the seat, then just took off with the bag, and presumably the drive.
May 04 17:24:34 <The_Thing>	It's one of the most unusual thefts I have ever encountered.
May 04 17:24:51 <BarkingFish>	anything vitally important on the drive?  State secrets, nuclear bunker plans, tax returns, credit card info?
May 04 17:24:52 <Theo10011>	heh maybe they just needed the bag.
May 04 17:24:58 <The_Thing>	No
May 04 17:25:01 <Theo10011>	or hated your laptop.
May 04 17:25:37 <SMasters>	You were lucky! Remember to lock your car.
May 04 17:25:53 <The_Thing>	In fact I make it a point not to keep any kind of financial info on my portable stuff... at least I'm fairly sure I do...
May 04 17:25:57 <BarkingFish>	I suppose that's one thing to be thankful for, at least they didn't nick your lappy.
May 04 17:26:16 <The_Thing>	Either way, I don't have a credit card, so... nothing for them in that department :P
May 04 17:26:42 <BarkingFish>	And if the hard drive was the only thing besides the bag that they took, that's less expense in the replacement department.
May 04 17:26:46 <The_Thing>	And, at the very least, all of my multimedia is backed up at another location...
May 04 17:27:07 <BarkingFish>	SMasters: I think he's probably worked that out now :)
May 04 17:27:15 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sfan00_IMG#Stop_it.21
May 04 17:27:20 <SMasters>	:)
May 04 17:27:24 <Qcoder00>	Some people dont assume good-faith
May 04 17:27:25 <BarkingFish>	No point shutting the door after the horse has gone
May 04 17:27:27 <Qcoder00>	:(
May 04 17:27:30 <The_Thing>	The only things I really would have most, are some PDF e-books, my most recent schoolwork, which is printed out anyways, and a lot of my pictures...
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May 04 17:27:37 <The_Thing>	lost*
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May 04 17:27:51 <Qcoder00>	Since when is self-nomming stuff you created  a bad thing if you aren't sure they would be CSD worthy?
May 04 17:28:15 <The_Thing>	SMasters: Well, I live close to what has been ranked as the safest city in the entire US.
May 04 17:28:35 <BarkingFish>	The_Thing: Maybe you should move *into* it?
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May 04 17:28:39 <The_Thing>	A lot of people here all but leave the keys in their cars overnight...
May 04 17:28:48 <The_Thing>	lol
May 04 17:29:27 <Theo10011>	what kinda place is that?
May 04 17:30:01 <Qcoder00>	Any admins in?
May 04 17:30:04 <BarkingFish>	The_Thing: Most people round here and near to where I used to live wouldn't leave a Garden gnome out for the night :)
May 04 17:30:06 <Qcoder00>	I need an opinion
May 04 17:30:13 <The_Thing>	heh
May 04 17:30:20 <The_Thing>	Yeah, the yards around here are pretty insecure
May 04 17:30:52 <The_Thing>	Lots of people have open garages, open back yards, open sheds.... we do lock our houses up at, and when we're away, though :P
May 04 17:31:05 <BarkingFish>	There's a place in Cambridge, about 12 miles from where I used to live, in Little Thetford, Cambridgeshire, called "The Arbury Estate".  It's nigh on the most crime ridden estate in Cambridgeshire.
May 04 17:31:24 <tommorris>	here's an idea: cover a garden gnome in anthrax and leave it out
May 04 17:31:31 <The_Thing>	O_O
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May 04 17:31:50 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Cheery fellow aren't you?
May 04 17:32:00 <tommorris>	yes, it'd be hilarious
May 04 17:32:13 <Qcoder00>	BarkingFish:  It like Blackbird Leas in Oxford?
May 04 17:32:14 <The_Thing>	I was thinking of just leaving another one of my empty laptop bags in the unlocked car as bait, and setting up a hidden camera in there.
May 04 17:32:14 <BarkingFish>	A friend of mine parked his car when he got home from work at night, woke up the next morning and it was a shell. The doors, windows, wheels, hood cover and the entire contents of the car had been taken in 6 hours flat.
May 04 17:32:15 *	MuZemike had a person shot a couple of building down a couple of weeks ago over here
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May 04 17:32:50 <The_Thing>	Or maybe it's one of the neighbor's trying to teach me a lesson or something :P
May 04 17:33:06 <BarkingFish>	Qcoder00: Blackbird Leas is paradise, mate.  Move onto the arbury, and unless you screw it down, glue it down, or nail it down, it WILL go missing.
May 04 17:33:19 <Qcoder00>	BarkingFish: : hmm
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May 04 17:33:54 <The_Thing>	I even had a Windows XP installation disc in that bag, key and all, but they left it there.
May 04 17:33:59 <Qcoder00>	There was talk about putting secure fencing around one sink-estate in the US
May 04 17:34:05 <Qcoder00>	And putting Cameras in
May 04 17:34:09 <Qcoder00>	and Wardens
May 04 17:34:15 <The_Thing>	I'd be willing to bet that they just wanted the bag, and didn't realize that the drive was in there
May 04 17:34:53 <BarkingFish>	Having cameras wouldn't help Qcoder00 - thieves have stolen them before too.  Right from off the front walls of people's houses
May 04 17:34:58 <BarkingFish>	cable and all
May 04 17:35:01 <The_Thing>	lol
May 04 17:35:09 <Qcoder00>	BarkingFish:  Yes but these weren't normal camera
May 04 17:35:46 <Qcoder00>	These where full on  'BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU' camera
May 04 17:35:51 <Qcoder00>	*were
May 04 17:36:06 <The_Thing>	Well, if whoever did it decides to return the bag and drive, I probably wouldn't press charges or any of that nonsense...
May 04 17:36:20 <BarkingFish>	oh you mean the pole mounted dome cams, stuff like that, Qcoder00?
May 04 17:36:23 <The_Thing>	Unless they damaged any of them..
May 04 17:37:06 <Qcoder00>	The_Thing:  A friend of mine how used to work for some bit of GEC, used to let people in his local know that his laptop had 'work' stuff on it...
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May 04 17:37:39 <Qcoder00>	.. apparently the local thieves in his part of the world  didn't want to get caught with super-secret stuff and so let him alone allegedly
May 04 17:37:47 <The_Thing>	lol
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May 04 17:38:51 <Qcoder00>	Of course,  HE did have problems when an Irish pen-friend tried to leave an alarm clock 'in a package' as a gift for him...
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May 04 17:39:27 <SMasters>	I'm logging off. Catch you all later.
May 04 17:39:46 <Irish_Eddy>	*grin*
May 04 17:39:57 <The_Thing>	Just one more motivation to build myself a home automation system, with cameras :P
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May 04 17:40:21 <Irish_Eddy>	My mother was once a suspect for smugling drugs to Ireland by mail.
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May 04 17:41:49 <Irish_Eddy>	Turned out that she had taken "herb bags" (for soup) out of the box to fit in the package to my sister. Those bags were rather smelly, so the drugs dog started pointing :-)
May 04 17:42:36 <Irish_Eddy>	When the Gardai notified my sister, she allowed them to open the package and exeming the contents. The next they it arrived :-)
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May 04 17:45:21 <Douche>	hell-o!
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May 04 17:47:40 <tommorris>	*cough*. Not that I'm at all experienced in these matters, but apparently, there are ways of getting plausible deniability if you are trying to smuggle drugs by post
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May 04 17:48:11 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Commands_and_structure_of_the_InAF - This needs formatting  :(
May 04 17:48:13 <tommorris>	not mailing them from Amsterdam for one thing
May 04 17:48:56 <mys_721tx>	Hello everyone, could somebody tell me the url of the vote eligibility check tool on toolserver?
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May 04 17:49:15 <Ironholds>	tommorris: travelling to Zeeland and sticking them in a postbox from there? :p
May 04 17:49:52 <tommorris>	theoretically speaking, Belgium, of course.
May 04 17:49:58 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to eir
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May 04 17:50:21 <Ironholds>	tommorris: in a chocolate box, marked as a gift?
May 04 17:50:38 <tommorris>	nah, take some old bank statements over with you
May 04 17:50:54 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Air_Command,_Indian_Air_Force#External_links - Template menioned is used here
May 04 17:51:52 <Theo10011>	that template doesn't look right.
May 04 17:53:34 <Logan_>	mys_721tx: For POTY?
May 04 17:53:55 <Qcoder00>	Theo10011 : yeah
May 04 17:54:21 <mys_721tx>	Logan_: I got that one, but I remembered there is another one for the steward elections
May 04 17:54:47 <Logan_>	mys_721tx: They're all in the "Event" dropdown on this page: http://toolserver.org/~pathoschild/accounteligibility/
May 04 17:55:02 <mys_721tx>	Logan_: Thank you :)
May 04 17:55:13 <Logan_>	You're welcome :)
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May 04 17:59:19 <derp|work>	hey Ironholds
May 04 17:59:40 <Ironholds>	hey cunt
May 04 18:00:29 <derp|work>	sup asshole
May 04 18:01:13 <Fluffernutter>	sup wankstains
May 04 18:01:42 <derp|work>	hey Fluffernutter <3
May 04 18:02:00 *	Fluffernutter snuggles derp|work
May 04 18:02:07 *	derp|work suggles Fluffernutter 
May 04 18:02:14 *	derp|work kicks Ironholds in them ballsé
May 04 18:02:14 <derp|work>	balls.
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May 04 18:04:59 <TBloemink>	lets see if I was eligible to nominate myself for the steward elections
May 04 18:05:08 <TBloemink>	don't think it works
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May 04 18:08:49 <Qcoder00>	Hmm
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May 04 18:08:51 <KimiNewt>	late evening lads
May 04 18:09:52 <Qcoder00>	I must have had  bad day yetserday
May 04 18:10:12 <Qcoder00>	I am finding some Templates I perhaps shouldn't have TfD'd :(
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May 04 18:11:45 <derp|work>	Ironholds: voting yes on what
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May 04 18:34:31 <Jeske_Couriano>	!admin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.86.62.176 Revoke talk page - he's blanking the text and replacing with personal attacks
May 04 18:35:28 <Jeske_Couriano>	Danke, Killion
May 04 18:35:32 <killiondude>	np
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May 04 18:41:58 <DQ|school>	UAA is backloged
May 04 18:42:16 <Fluff|work>	sorry to hear that
May 04 18:42:36 <PeterSymonds>	Heh.
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May 04 18:46:24 <petan>	UAA is what
May 04 18:46:35 <petan>	I have troubles with shortcuts :)
May 04 18:46:40 <Fluff|work>	usernames for administrator attention
May 04 18:46:43 <petan>	ah
May 04 18:46:45 <petan>	this
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May 04 18:48:04 <killiondude>	is
May 04 18:48:05 <killiondude>	SPARTA
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May 04 18:48:30 <killiondude>	o;
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May 04 18:48:39 <StevenW>	Does it work to put an ordered list in a table?
May 04 18:49:15 <killiondude>	You can make a table non-sortable (to keep an ordered list static).
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May 04 18:52:02 <StevenW>	Thanks killion
May 04 18:52:02 <MuZemike>	Kids
May 04 18:52:02 <killiondude>	No problem.
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May 04 18:52:02 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bye_Bye_Birdie#Song_list
May 04 18:52:02 <killiondude>	MuZemike is about to break out into song.
May 04 18:52:02 <Fluff|work>	?
May 04 18:52:17 <Fluff|work>	he don't know what's wrong with these kids today
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May 04 18:52:40 <Fluff|work>	kids
May 04 18:52:51 <killiondude>	:)
May 04 18:53:37 *	Fluff|work bows, can probably sing about 90% of that musical with no hints
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May 04 18:53:50 <Fluff|work>	pheer my theater geekery
May 04 18:54:00 <killiondude>	I used to know it all. I played in the pit orchestra.
May 04 18:54:47 <Fluff|work>	that was the only show in high school that i acted in ("acted", hah, i was a random background person) instead of played in the orchestra for
May 04 18:56:42 <killiondude>	heh
May 04 18:59:11 <MuZemike>	Eeeeew: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/epic-fail-photos-odd-stain-fail.jpg
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May 04 19:12:18 <derp|work>	heh
May 04 19:12:28 <derp|work>	i asked a 419 spammer to send me his ID
May 04 19:12:36 <derp|work>	i mean, he sent me a fucking death certificate
May 04 19:12:48 <derp|work>	diploma and security certificate looks shooped.
May 04 19:12:49 <Fluff|work>	...
May 04 19:12:59 <Fluff|work>	he sent you "his" death certificate?
May 04 19:13:08 <Fluff|work>	ZOMG NIGERIANS ARE ZOMBIES
May 04 19:13:33 <derp|work>	I'll upload
May 04 19:14:51 <derp|work>	http://twitpic.com/4tcpdf
May 04 19:15:31 <Fluff|work>	"Death...but not for you."
May 04 19:16:11 <derp|work>	looks shooped too.
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May 04 19:17:21 <derp|work>	http://twitpic.com/4tcqcl
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May 04 19:22:07 <Tatsujin>	http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/a_monster_of_our_own_creation_20110504/
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May 04 19:27:09 <petan>	Fluff|work what your cloak is huh wasn't it wikipedia before?
May 04 19:27:21 <Fluff|work>	yeah this nick isn't reg'd
May 04 19:27:25 <Fluff|work>	i forgot to switch
May 04 19:27:25 <petan>	ah
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May 04 19:27:43 <killiondude>	you can log in under any nick
May 04 19:27:51 <killiondude>	/ns identify Fluffernutter <password>
May 04 19:27:54 *	Theo10011_ is now known as Theo10011
May 04 19:28:22 <Fluffernutter>	yeah i know how to identify
May 04 19:28:29 <Fluffernutter>	i just never bothered to group Fluff|work
May 04 19:28:44 <killiondude>	i was just saying you don't have to group it :-P
May 04 19:29:11 <petan>	neverending story about nickserv ;O
May 04 19:29:32 <Fluffernutter>	oh i see what you meant
May 04 19:29:36 <Fluffernutter>	i dn't know i could do that
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May 04 19:29:58 *	petan slaps nickserv for not being easy
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May 04 19:30:36 <petan>	I hope I will not get rejected next time I sign up :D
May 04 19:31:05 <petan>	nickserv is evil you know...
May 04 19:31:06 <killiondude>	where?
May 04 19:31:09 <petan>	here
May 04 19:31:19 <killiondude>	oh, sign in?
May 04 19:31:22 <killiondude>	O_o
May 04 19:31:28 <petan>	yes
May 04 19:31:29 <petan>	sorry
May 04 19:31:35 <petan>	I meant sign in
May 04 19:31:35 <killiondude>	I don't usually have issues with nickserv
May 04 19:31:39 <petan>	neither I do
May 04 19:31:55 <killiondude>	ChanServ is a cruel and fickle mistress, however.
May 04 19:32:12 <killiondude>	I see ChanServ as a female and NickServ as her brother.
May 04 19:32:44 <Theo10011>	what about MemoServ
May 04 19:32:50 <petan>	and operserv surely is grandmother
May 04 19:32:54 <petan>	:D
May 04 19:32:58 <killiondude>	MemoServ is their serf.
May 04 19:33:14 <Herodotus>	MemoServ is the illegitimate child killiondude pretends doesn't exist, considering his inbox is always full.
May 04 19:33:37 <killiondude>	haha, I just read a new one
May 04 19:33:39 <killiondude>	http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=9294138184493326603&dtab=2&sll=34.16928,73.24252&sspn=0.05,0.05&ie=UTF8&ll=34.17121,73.239048&spn=0,0&z=17
May 04 19:33:40 <geniice>	Moe anthropomorphism chanserv doesn't throw up anything useful on google images
May 04 19:34:01 <killiondude>	Keegan had a good URL for ChanServ
May 04 19:34:07 <killiondude>	He showed me a few years ago.
May 04 19:34:29 <ThrashOut>	hmm :? keegan isn't a girl?
May 04 19:34:32 <ThrashOut>	:O
May 04 19:34:47 <Herodotus>	"1 person rated it best ever"
May 04 19:34:55 <derp|work>	killiondude: remember the memoserv spam i used to do :P
May 04 19:34:55 <Theo10011>	heh
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May 04 19:35:49 <killiondude>	derp, no
May 04 19:35:51 <derp|work>	:o killiondude
May 04 19:35:53 <geniice>	the good news is that "ChanServ rule 34" doesn't throw much of significance either
May 04 19:36:22 <geniice>	hmm http://wackypedia.wikia.com/wiki/ChanServ
May 04 19:37:52 <derp|work>	hmm
May 04 19:37:56 <derp|work>	geniice: use ED
May 04 19:37:57 <derp|work>	:)
May 04 19:38:06 <geniice>	wait what?
May 04 19:38:16 <derp|work>	ED is still alive
May 04 19:38:16 <derp|work>	:)
May 04 19:39:56 <topaz>	now we only want it gone.
May 04 19:40:28 <killiondude>	it lost its former glory and scary fan base
May 04 19:40:32 <killiondude>	now it's just dumb people
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May 04 19:40:42 <killiondude>	s/fan base/user base/
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May 04 19:43:40 <derp|work>	killiondude: www.encyclopediadramatica.ch
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May 04 19:43:50 <killiondude>	I've seen.
May 04 19:43:57 <killiondude>	I saw the day or two after it was live.
May 04 19:44:25 <derp|work>	it's mostly a dump of all pages.
May 04 19:44:47 <Tothwolf>	more like a copyvio with no edit history
May 04 19:47:03 <Herodotus>	You pride yourself on your troll cred.
May 04 19:47:53 <derp|work>	heh
May 04 19:48:04 <derp|work>	ex-troll cred.
May 04 19:50:34 <Thehelpfulone>	it's back? o.o
May 04 19:50:51 *	Fluffernutter didn't do it
May 04 19:51:10 <Theo10011>	It's getting back to its old glory.
May 04 19:51:23 <killiondude>	It will never.
May 04 19:51:45 <Theo10011>	half the trolls are already back and hard at work.
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May 04 19:54:53 <Theo10011>	Stupid router Herodotus, I'll prob. be disconnected again.
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May 04 19:58:43 <derp|work>	iOS 4.3.3is out
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May 04 20:05:22 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah, I just got my income tax refund
May 04 20:05:25 <Dragonfly6-7>	$1500
May 04 20:05:54 <Fluffernutter>	yay money
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May 04 20:06:15 <Fluffernutter>	i got mine last month and for the first time in recent history spent it rather than saved it
May 04 20:06:19 <Fluffernutter>	and no wi feel like crao
May 04 20:06:50 <Dragonfly6-7>	feel, look, and smell
May 04 20:07:03 <Fluffernutter>	thank you dear, i love you too
May 04 20:08:28 <Hedgehog456>	Trying to teach children how to use IRC is like trying to kill Superman... fifty-two times... in two seconds.
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May 04 20:09:25 <Hedgehog456>	I've gave up and just chucked in a tiny integrated web IRC client and passed it off as a chatroom.
May 04 20:09:55 <killiondude>	I don't know if children should be encouraged to use IRC.
May 04 20:10:00 <killiondude>	But to each his own!
May 04 20:10:09 <Fluffernutter>	why are we teaching ghildren to irc?
May 04 20:10:20 <Tothwolf>	children should not use irc
May 04 20:10:36 <Hedgehog456>	I was going to restrict them to a channel they made.
May 04 20:10:40 <Hedgehog456>	*i
May 04 20:10:44 <Hedgehog456>	I made it.
May 04 20:10:45 <geniice>	most people in this rome I suspect are younger than IRC
May 04 20:10:48 <geniice>	room
May 04 20:11:08 <Hedgehog456>	They were bemoaning the loss of their integrated chatbox on their website.
May 04 20:11:20 <Hedgehog456>	IRC was the only viable alternative.
May 04 20:11:43 <Fluffernutter>	where did you acquire these children?
May 04 20:11:50 <killiondude>	well,
May 04 20:11:58 <Hedgehog456>	Fluffernutter: a website they run.
May 04 20:12:06 <Fluffernutter>	"they"?
May 04 20:12:10 <Hedgehog456>	I become a moderator, then an admin.
May 04 20:12:16 <Hedgehog456>	*became
May 04 20:12:41 <Hedgehog456>	Fluffernutter: there is a large group of them.
May 04 20:13:05 <Fluffernutter>	"they"
May 04 20:13:20 <Fluffernutter>	this does not tell us where you acquired a group of children to moderate
May 04 20:13:44 <Hedgehog456>	Why do you want to know?
May 04 20:13:53 <Hedgehog456>	Do you want to locate these children?
May 04 20:14:06 <Hedgehog456>	I do not know their whereabouts.
May 04 20:14:13 <Hedgehog456>	Nor their names.
May 04 20:14:23 <Fluffernutter>	you do not strike me as the type to volunteer ad an educator
May 04 20:14:31 <Fluffernutter>	so i am curious about why you have gathered children
May 04 20:14:39 <Hedgehog456>	I never.
May 04 20:14:44 <Hedgehog456>	They gathered me.
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May 04 20:16:34 <Hedgehog456>	For your information, I'm not an adult.
May 04 20:16:52 <killiondude>	#gamechanger
May 04 20:16:55 <Fluffernutter>	lawl
May 04 20:17:21 <Fluffernutter>	that was kind of my point, Hedgehog456. It's a bit like the lunatics running the asylum to put you in charge of kids
May 04 20:17:56 <Hedgehog456>	They put me in a position of trust. I feel kind of helpless.
May 04 20:18:14 <Hedgehog456>	I stumbled across their website when on another forum.
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May 04 20:18:59 <Tothwolf>	"sorry, but i can't help you, i'm too busy with my own website"
May 04 20:19:26 <Hedgehog456>	Who said that?
May 04 20:19:48 <Herodotus>	She.
May 04 20:20:02 <Hedgehog456>	I see.
May 04 20:20:27 *	derp|work snuggles Hedgehog456 
May 04 20:20:38 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 04 20:20:48 <Fluffernutter>	so "that's what she said"?
May 04 20:21:05 *	derp|work snuggles Fluffernutter 
May 04 20:21:26 *	Fluffernutter feeds Hedgehog456 to derp|work
May 04 20:21:36 *	Hedgehog456 screams
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May 04 20:22:29 *	derp|work regurgitates
May 04 20:22:55 <derp|work>	Michael Douglas is in town
May 04 20:23:01 <killiondude>	alert the press
May 04 20:23:05 <killiondude>	THIS IS WHAT WE'VE TRAINED FOR
May 04 20:23:11 <Fluffernutter>	do we have to?
May 04 20:23:29 <Fluffernutter>	i mean, can't one of you just go wash my dishes, instead, if you're looking for a dangerous mission?
May 04 20:24:05 <Tothwolf>	depends on how many you want unbroken
May 04 20:24:08 <derp|work>	he's here on charitable purposes.
May 04 20:24:40 <Fluffernutter>	Tothwolf, prefer breakage of less than 2
May 04 20:24:52 <Tothwolf>	heh goodluckwiththat :P
May 04 20:25:16 <Fluffernutter>	well, half of what's dirty is pots
May 04 20:25:21 <Fluffernutter>	which are rather hard to break
May 04 20:25:50 <Tothwolf>	depends on what you clean em with ;)
May 04 20:25:58 <derp|work>	bbl
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May 04 20:33:13 <LFThis>	Ok, wiktionary is asleep so I must ask here.
May 04 20:34:13 <Fluffernutter>	asleep?
May 04 20:34:18 <LFThis>	no one speaks
May 04 20:34:25 <killiondude>	their irc channel is usually dead, yes
May 04 20:34:38 <LFThis>	and only a mass-ping seems to wake them up anymore.
May 04 20:35:36 <LFThis>	So, the phrase [[wt:time waits for no one]] is of varying meanings by context. What did "mad scientist" mean in this one?: http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/4720630
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May 04 20:40:08 <LFThis>	LFThis, Fluffernutter and killiondude, so what does he mean by "time waits for no one" in this context?: http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/4720630
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May 04 20:41:23 <killiondude>	There's only one definition.
May 04 20:41:29 <killiondude>	on that wiktionary page
May 04 20:41:34 <LFThis>	there was more than one on wt.
May 04 20:41:40 <killiondude>	Nope.
May 04 20:41:43 <LFThis>	but what's the one for this context?
May 04 20:42:19 <killiondude>	In general it just means "action is necessary as soon as possible"
May 04 20:42:40 <killiondude>	I don't see how the poster on that link you gave is meant to be taken seriously.
May 04 20:44:39 <Doh5678>	Can people help here: http://simpsons.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
May 04 20:44:39 <LFThis>	you mean the asker.
May 04 20:44:39 <LFThis>	right?
May 04 20:44:39 <LFThis>	Why did he think action was needed asap, killiondude?
May 04 20:45:12 <killiondude>	I don't mean the asker because the asker never wrote "time waits for no one"
May 04 20:45:20 <killiondude>	LFThis: I think it was a [[non sequitor]]
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May 04 20:45:28 <Fluffernutter>	[[non sequitur]]
May 04 20:45:34 <killiondude>	ty
May 04 20:45:53 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur
May 04 20:46:18 <LFThis>	Well, the question asks about a particular situation, so I wondered whether it followed correctly or not.
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May 04 20:47:27 <killiondude>	Yeah, I'm going to say it was random or they don't know what the phrase means.
May 04 20:47:45 <Hedgehog456>	spam coming; my dog is around
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May 04 20:48:03 <Fluffernutter>	mabe stop letting her walk on the keyboard
May 04 20:48:20 <Hedgehog456>	she loves spamming though
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May 04 20:59:46 <Hedgehog456>	Hahahaha
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May 04 21:15:54 <Headbomb>	"The setup could also be read as an allegory of/justification for Dubya's invasion of Iraq"
May 04 21:15:56 <Headbomb>	from a review of Hobo with a Shotgun
May 04 21:16:01 <Headbomb>	fucking morons
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May 04 21:26:18 <Jeske_Couriano>	http://fatpita.net/?i=5987 Someone on FurNet pulled this up (SFW)
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May 04 21:30:11 <zscout370>	any Liverpool FC fans here?
May 04 21:30:39 <Douche>	No.
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May 04 21:30:43 <Douche>	Rain rain go away...
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May 04 21:31:10 <zscout370>	I was looking to find supporters for possible image replacements on a sister wikipedia project
May 04 21:31:12 <Fluffernutter>	geeze Douche, you're such a Douche
May 04 21:31:19 <Fluffernutter>	now get back in the kitchen and make me some noms
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May 04 21:33:29 <Gfoley4>	"some noms"
May 04 21:33:33 <Gfoley4>	o_O
May 04 21:33:33 *	Peter-C licks people
May 04 21:33:44 *	Fluffernutter smites Peter-C
May 04 21:34:24 <Peter-C>	I broke a door in school today
May 04 21:34:30 <Fluffernutter>	how
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May 04 21:35:04 <Gfoley4>	^
May 04 21:36:59 <Peter-C>	I pushed it open too fast
May 04 21:37:12 <Peter-C>	And part of the mechanical mechonisim fell off
May 04 21:37:19 <PeterSymonds>	mechanism
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May 04 21:37:59 <Fluffernutter>	coordination win
May 04 21:38:33 *	Fluffernutter whines
May 04 21:39:15 <Gfoley4>	Peter-C is clumsy
May 04 21:39:15 <Gfoley4>	>:)
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May 04 21:40:27 <Fluffernutter>	gah i need to pay my rent
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May 04 21:42:16 <Gfoley4>	I love it when the NRHP misspells things on the register
May 04 21:42:20 <Gfoley4>	9_9
May 04 21:42:28 <PeterSymonds>	The whatnow?
May 04 21:43:23 <Gfoley4>	NRHP = National Register of Historic places
May 04 21:43:36 <PeterSymonds>	Oh right.
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May 04 21:44:54 <Fluffernutter>	hm. i should stop at the store tonight and get a roast of some sort
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May 04 21:45:59 <Gfoley4>	fast food.
May 04 21:46:05 <SilverSpoon>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zeibura/Archivebox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jcmcburney/California_University_Silicon_Valley
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May 04 21:46:20 <Douche>	Fluffernutter: I'M not home
May 04 21:46:20 <Douche>	:P
May 04 21:46:25 <Douche>	I'm at the bus station
May 04 21:46:26 <Douche>	:P
May 04 21:46:36 <Fluffernutter>	Douche: well, fix that
May 04 21:46:38 *	Douche spanks Peter-C 
May 04 21:46:42 *	Fluffernutter stomps foot
May 04 21:46:49 <Gfoley4>	wifi at the bus station? :O
May 04 21:46:49 <Douche>	the bus leaves in 13 minutes.
May 04 21:47:02 <Douche>	Gfoley4: well, they have paid internet terminals INSIDE
May 04 21:47:10 <Gfoley4>	ah
May 04 21:47:14 <Douche>	and a asian guy is offering a net café with 1$ for 10 minutes
May 04 21:47:26 <Gfoley4>	"no thanks"
May 04 21:47:29 <Gfoley4>	:P
May 04 21:48:16 <Douche>	and just next to it is a university with a large commercial cafeteria with a Quiznos and other specialities including Thai
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May 04 21:48:16 <Douche>	and guess what
May 04 21:48:16 <Douche>	the cafeteria has a open wifi
May 04 21:48:16 <Douche>	:D
May 04 21:48:16 <Gfoley4>	:D
May 04 21:48:19 <Douche>	It's running authpuppy.
May 04 21:49:12 <Douche>	Wich is a software for routers for ifi auth
May 04 21:49:15 <Douche>	wifi auth
May 04 21:49:19 <Douche>	it's free and open source.
May 04 21:49:27 <Douche>	it works perfect with openwrt
May 04 21:49:27 *	Fluffernutter wants to go home
May 04 21:49:40 <Douche>	me too
May 04 21:49:40 <Douche>	So i'll go home :)
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May 04 21:49:41 <Douche>	bus leaves at 5 PM
May 04 21:49:41 <topaz>	me too.
May 04 21:49:42 <Douche>	:)
May 04 21:49:45 <topaz>	not likely though.
May 04 21:49:54 <Douche>	And fuck, the smells here make me hungry :P
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May 04 21:50:20 *	Fluffernutter can't go until like 5:10. Because i slept late as shit today.
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May 04 21:50:27 <Douche>	pizza, sandwich & pastries counter, lebanese cooking and grill, salad bar, sushi place and a Quiznos
May 04 21:50:28 <Douche>	:)
May 04 21:50:35 <Douche>	oh
May 04 21:50:47 <Douche>	and a Valentine wich is a upscale McDonalds that offers goddamn elicious fries.
May 04 21:50:50 <Douche>	delicious
May 04 21:50:59 <Gfoley4>	=D
May 04 21:51:01 <Douche>	Anyways
May 04 21:51:03 <Douche>	imma head out
May 04 21:51:04 <BarkingFish>	No Subway?
May 04 21:51:06 <Douche>	,3
May 04 21:51:10 <Hedgehog456>	Byebye
May 04 21:51:16 <Hedgehog456>	My derpy :P
May 04 21:51:19 <BarkingFish>	damn. I'd go hungry :)
May 04 21:51:21 <Douche>	BarkingFish: there is one but in the bus station hall
May 04 21:51:26 <BarkingFish>	ah
May 04 21:51:28 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Douche tightly
May 04 21:51:33 <Douche>	along with a tim hortons express
May 04 21:51:40 *	Douche huggles Hedgehog456 tightly back.
May 04 21:51:58 *	Douche gives Fluffernutter some thai :)
May 04 21:52:05 <Douche>	see you at 17:55 :)
May 04 21:52:08 <Douche>	or earlier :)
May 04 21:52:10 <Fluffernutter>	nom
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May 04 21:54:15 <Gfoley4>	wait, Derp is coming to NY/NJ?
May 04 21:55:04 <Fluffernutter>	not now
May 04 21:55:15 <Fluffernutter>	but he is in june, i think
May 04 21:55:43 <Fluffernutter>	oh you meant because he said "see you"?
May 04 21:55:45 <Fluffernutter>	nah
May 04 21:55:55 <MuZemike>	New Jersey?
May 04 21:57:15 <MuZemike>	Or as we like to say around here "Berrrrrrrwyn???"
May 04 21:57:46 <Jeske_Couriano>	MuZemike, how many people drink how much booze to get that drunk in your hometown?
May 04 21:59:13 <MuZemike>	not as much as most places in Wisconsin, I'll tell you that.
May 04 21:59:13 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 04 22:01:42 <Hedgehog456>	Bye
May 04 22:01:42 <MuZemike>	Coincidentally, I just got back with an old friend who lives in Berwyn.
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May 04 22:01:48 <Andrevan>	I'll be living in NY in 2 weeks in perpetuity
May 04 22:02:19 <Fluffernutter>	orly
May 04 22:02:35 *	Fluffernutter points to [[WP:Meetup/NYC]]
May 04 22:03:12 <MuZemike>	Did you folks find a better place than that Greek restaurant this last meetup?
May 04 22:03:18 <Fluffernutter>	no
May 04 22:03:48 <Fluffernutter>	and the next person who looks at me like i should find another venue is going to find my laptop shoved up their ass, becasue my last attempt was *worse* than the greek restaurant
May 04 22:04:12 <MuZemike>	I didn't say "you", I said "you folks"
May 04 22:04:12 <Gfoley4>	;o
May 04 22:04:13 *	slakr perks up
May 04 22:04:17 <slakr>	maybe you should find another venue!
May 04 22:04:23 <MuZemike>	i.e. "y'all"
May 04 22:04:23 *	slakr snickers darkly
May 04 22:04:28 <MuZemike>	"euch" in German
May 04 22:04:41 *	Fluffernutter shoves Peter-C up slakr's ass
May 04 22:04:51 <slakr>	bait 'n' switched!
May 04 22:04:55 <slakr>	I wanted the laptop!
May 04 22:04:59 <MuZemike>	The restaurant was OK, just no wifi or plugins.
May 04 22:05:02 <Gfoley4>	Fluffernutter's laptop = Peter-C?
May 04 22:05:08 <Fluffernutter>	i make it a policy to never give men what they want
May 04 22:05:21 <Gfoley4>	={
May 04 22:05:21 <MuZemike>	I had to plug in my laptop near the kitchen to recharge while we had our break.
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May 04 22:08:51 <AfDguy>	meh
May 04 22:08:56 <AfDguy>	hmm
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May 04 22:11:00 <AfDguy>	if I had my choice of users 2 be admins, I'd choose...Alpha Quadrant, DeltaQuad, Chzz, Fang Ali, Mono, Worm That Turned, Tbhotch, SMasters, and Guoguo12. Oh, and ThatPeskyCommoner, once she gets more experience.
May 04 22:11:21 <Mono>	Yo.
May 04 22:11:22 <Mono>	I quit.
May 04 22:11:52 <AfDguy>	oh
May 04 22:11:56 <DeltaQuad>	glad to here my name in that pile :)
May 04 22:11:56 <AfDguy>	hmm
May 04 22:12:01 <AfDguy>	one less.
May 04 22:12:16 <AfDguy>	though I'd take forever to write all those nominations :)
May 04 22:12:19 <Tatsujin>	http://www.archiveteam.org/archives/media/The%20Spendiferous%20Story%20of%20Archive%20Team%20-%20Jason%20Scott%20-%20PDA2011.mp3
May 04 22:12:50 <AfDguy>	I think I missed a few in that list
May 04 22:12:52 <AfDguy>	but oh well
May 04 22:14:06 <MuZemike>	One down, a whole bunch to go.
May 04 22:14:56 <Peter-C>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/050817-N-3488C-028.jpg fail in 3-2-1
May 04 22:15:05 <Mono>	AfDguy: write one for me and if it passes, I'll come back
May 04 22:15:07 <Mono>	:)
May 04 22:15:16 <AfDguy>	hmm
May 04 22:15:40 <AfDguy>	...but you have to come back first otherwise I expect a lot of people to oppose for 'inactivity'
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May 04 22:15:52 <AfDguy>	...and continuing that list
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May 04 22:16:25 <Mono>	Come on.
May 04 22:16:30 <AfDguy>	+GiantSnowman, 28bytes, The High Fin Sperm Whale, Ling.Nut, Alansohn, Addihockey10, Silver seren, WikiCopter, MC10, Marcus Qwertyus, ArcAngel
May 04 22:16:31 <Mono>	;)
May 04 22:16:36 <AfDguy>	...
May 04 22:16:39 <Thehelpfulone>	that's a lot of people o.o
May 04 22:16:39 <Mono>	If it fails, I'll have to leave again.
May 04 22:16:52 <AfDguy>	WP:TROPHY
May 04 22:17:24 <MuZemike>	Oooh, speaking of trophy, quarterfinals for the WikiCup has started.
May 04 22:17:39 <AfDguy>	Yeah
May 04 22:17:47 <AfDguy>	WormTT missed by a pint
May 04 22:17:50 <AfDguy>	*point
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May 04 22:18:49 <Thehelpfulone>	MuZemike: are you competing?
May 04 22:18:52 <AfDguy>	...add Slon02 and Snottywong and Ctjf83 to that list
May 04 22:18:54 <AfDguy>	um yes
May 04 22:19:00 <MuZemike>	Yep, still in it.
May 04 22:19:00 <AfDguy>	I got eliminated
May 04 22:19:02 <AfDguy>	but whatever
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May 04 22:19:27 <AfDguy>	I check it about every 2 hours for new point updates (!)
May 04 22:19:36 <AfDguy>	strange
May 04 22:19:42 <AfDguy>	all these reconfirmations
May 04 22:19:44 <AfDguy>	suddenlt
May 04 22:19:54 <MuZemike>	I'd oppose a few of the users AfDguy pointed out above, but I won't go into detail as to why on this channel.
May 04 22:20:19 <Thehelpfulone>	who's likely to win?
May 04 22:20:25 <AfDguy>	some have long block logs, some don't have content, some are contivertial, some don't have a cool head.
May 04 22:20:31 <MuZemike>	I think Casliber has a good chance to take it.
May 04 22:20:41 <AfDguy>	or Hurricanehink.
May 04 22:20:47 <AfDguy>	gogogo Hurricanehink
May 04 22:20:54 <MuZemike>	And Cas is in my pool, also.
May 04 22:21:00 <AfDguy>	he's got an FAC & 2 GAs waiting
May 04 22:21:13 <AfDguy>	good luck, Cas has a ton of content work.
May 04 22:21:16 <MuZemike>	Hopefully soon I'll have 3 GANs in the hopper.
May 04 22:21:21 <AfDguy>	:O
May 04 22:21:31 <AfDguy>	too bad The Bushranger got eliminated.
May 04 22:22:11 <AfDguy>	hmm
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May 04 22:22:34 <AfDguy>	as for bureaucrats
May 04 22:23:13 <MuZemike>	Bureaucrats?
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May 04 22:23:23 <AfDguy>	WereSpielChequers, HJ Mitchell (in 3 months-I don't like that RfA of his), and maybe Cas
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May 04 22:23:39 <MuZemike>	Do we need bureaucrats?
May 04 22:23:46 <MuZemike>	*more bureaucrats
May 04 22:23:47 <AfDguy>	.....
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May 04 22:23:57 <MuZemike>	I mean, they don't do much in the first place.
May 04 22:24:25 <MuZemike>	Andrevan is going to kick my ass for saying that.
May 04 22:24:35 <Andrevan>	we don't do much
May 04 22:25:00 <Andrevan>	I'm not even gonna close that reconformation
May 04 22:25:11 <Andrevan>	I don't feel like crushing anyone's spirit
May 04 22:25:27 <MuZemike>	I mean, that's probably why we haven't had a (successful?) RFB in over a year; there's just not a current need for more crats IMO.
May 04 22:25:44 <AfDguy>	meeeeeeeeeh
May 04 22:26:03 <AfDguy>	xeno inactive, MBainsz@law school, EVula less active
May 04 22:26:05 <AfDguy>	hmm
May 04 22:26:13 <AfDguy>	add Wackywace 2 the admin list
May 04 22:26:27 <BarkingFish>	0.0
May 04 22:26:59 <BarkingFish>	you'd put Wackywace on the admin list???!!!1111eleven?
May 04 22:27:14 <BarkingFish>	I know a good psychiatrist who'd help you get over that :)
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May 04 22:27:45 <topaz>	FBI interrogator says cookies more effective than torture: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/273350
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May 04 22:29:28 <AfDguy>	BarkingFish: when I say "admin list", I mean the users I think I should be admins: Alpha Quadrant, DeltaQuad, Chzz, Fang Ali, Worm That Turned, Tbhotch, SMasters, Guoguo12, GiantSnowman, 28bytes, The High Fin Sperm Whale, Ling.Nut, Alansohn, Addihockey10, Silver seren, WikiCopter, MC10, Marcus Qwertyus, ArcAngel, Slon02, Snottywond, and Ctjf83
May 04 22:29:42 <PeterSymonds>	What do you care; you're banned.
May 04 22:30:01 <BarkingFish>	yeah, and when I say "see a psychiatrist", it applies to the thought you wanted to put Wackywace on that list
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May 04 22:41:09 <Lyndon1504>	Evening
May 04 22:41:11 <Lyndon1504>	Anyone able to quickly assist me in editing a list, i'm having trouble and don't know why
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May 04 22:55:24 <Courcelles>	Lyndon1504, Perhaps, what list?
May 04 22:57:19 <Lyndon1504>	I was actually doing a bit of, erm, light reading on List_of_murderers_by_number_of_victims
May 04 22:57:29 <Thehelpfulone>	who made the "contest speed deletion" button?
May 04 22:57:32 <Lyndon1504>	and when sorting by date, its not sorting properly
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May 04 22:57:48 <Thehelpfulone>	 because loads of users who add to the talk page have ... this page should not be deleted because ~~~~ then reason
May 04 22:58:07 <Thehelpfulone>	if a <--INSERT YOUR REASON AFTER THIS MESSAGE --> could be added, perhaps it would be better?
May 04 22:58:21 <Lyndon1504>	im attempting to fix it by going through and putting {{dts|YYYY|MM|DD}} but that doesn't sort properly
May 04 22:58:33 <Courcelles>	Date sorting is the hardest one :)
May 04 22:59:10 <Lyndon1504>	I'm not a big wikipedia editor, I just saw it all wrong and wanted to help
May 04 22:59:14 <Lyndon1504>	but it seems my efforts are in vain!
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May 04 22:59:26 <Thehelpfulone>	why's that Lyndon1504 ?
May 04 22:59:59 <Lyndon1504>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murderers_by_number_of_victims is not sorting properly
May 04 23:00:05 <Lyndon1504>	by date**
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May 04 23:07:40 <topaz>	I think it's sorting as accurately as it can based on the contents of the date field.
May 04 23:09:10 <topaz>	are you talking about the 1935 and 1983 murders appearing at the top?  I think WP thinks those are negative numbers.
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May 04 23:10:22 <Lyndon1504>	No I figured them out (in my preview at least)
May 04 23:10:40 <Lyndon1504>	but when I sort it, the {{dts||YYYY}} sort fine
May 04 23:10:45 <Lyndon1504>	its when there are months and days infront
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May 04 23:11:04 <topaz>	those seem to be sorting correctly for me
May 04 23:11:07 *	Peter-C beats up Justin_Bieber
May 04 23:11:10 <Peter-C>	DIE MOTHERFUCKER
May 04 23:11:23 <Lyndon1504>	-_- if its a browser issue i'm going to hit something
May 04 23:11:30 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 04 23:11:36 *	Peter-C slashs Justin_Bieber
May 04 23:11:38 <Peter-C>	DIE
May 04 23:11:40 <Peter-C>	DIE DIE DIE
May 04 23:11:44 <Peter-C>	:D
May 04 23:11:46 <Fluffernutter>	down, boy
May 04 23:12:12 *	Peter-C growls
May 04 23:12:46 <Fluffernutter>	your point would be more believable if you weren't humping his leg
May 04 23:13:02 <topaz>	e.g. "Walter Seifert" ("June 11, 1964") gets sorted in between "1964 to 1973" and "1965 to 1977"
May 04 23:13:51 <Sir48>	dates to be sorted should be in the format yyyymmdd
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May 04 23:14:26 <topaz>	Sir48: the table is using {{dts}}
May 04 23:14:50 <Sir48>	I don't think that is being applied in a sort
May 04 23:15:27 <Sir48>	{{dts}} is a parser function
May 04 23:15:38 <topaz>	my empirical evidence disagrees with you.
May 04 23:15:47 *	Peter-C freaks out
May 04 23:15:51 <Peter-C>	Fluffernutter - I'm worried
May 04 23:15:56 <Fluffernutter>	about?
May 04 23:16:09 <Peter-C>	I am watching a movie and the paramedics c-spine imobilization...
May 04 23:16:22 <Peter-C>	THEY ACTUALLY PROPERLY C-SPINE IMOBILIZED??!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
May 04 23:16:26 <Peter-C>	THAT IS SUPER ORGASMIC!
May 04 23:16:42 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 04 23:16:44 *	Peter-C jumps around all giddy
May 04 23:16:44 <Fluffernutter>	you need new porn
May 04 23:18:45 <Gfoley4>	o;
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May 04 23:19:56 <Sir48>	anyway, topaz: i get: 1. June 2, 2010 2. 1790-1840 3. April 2007
May 04 23:20:07 <Peter-C>	Fluffernutter - has IH left your bedroom yet?
May 04 23:20:08 <Lyndon1504>	If i format Derrick Bird's date to {{dts|2010|Jun|2}} it should appear at the top if date is sorted inverse chronologically, right?
May 04 23:20:13 <Fluffernutter>	yes
May 04 23:20:16 <Peter-C>	:O
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May 04 23:20:18 <topaz>	Sir48: freaky.
May 04 23:20:21 <Peter-C>	MacMed :D
May 04 23:20:23 *	Peter-C glomps MacMed
May 04 23:20:26 <MacMed>	hai peter
May 04 23:20:27 <Gfoley4>	macMed :D
May 04 23:20:34 <MacMed>	hey gfoley, hows it going?
May 04 23:20:40 *	Peter-C punts Gfoley4
May 04 23:20:40 <Gfoley4>	fine, u?
May 04 23:20:42 <Peter-C>	HE'S MINE
May 04 23:20:43 <Gfoley4>	:|
May 04 23:20:43 <Peter-C>	MINE!
May 04 23:20:46 <Gfoley4>	no
May 04 23:20:48 <Gfoley4>	bitch
May 04 23:20:49 *	Peter-C kidnaps MacMed
May 04 23:20:54 <Gfoley4>	>:(
May 04 23:20:58 *	MacMed escapes
May 04 23:21:07 *	Peter-C kills MacMed dead
May 04 23:21:14 <MacMed>	sorry Peter, Gfoley wields the mighty banhammer
May 04 23:21:14 <Gfoley4>	noooo
May 04 23:21:21 <MacMed>	i can't give that up
May 04 23:21:26 *	MacMed speaks as a ghost, of course
May 04 23:21:38 <Peter-C>	:(
May 04 23:21:44 *	Peter-C licks Gfoley4
May 04 23:21:54 <Gfoley4>	no moar
May 04 23:21:57 <Fluffernutter>	ick
May 04 23:21:57 <Gfoley4>	>:|
May 04 23:22:06 <MacMed>	Fluffernutter is just jealous
May 04 23:22:11 <Peter-C>	^
May 04 23:22:15 <Fluffernutter>	of what?
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May 04 23:22:46 <Peter-C>	MY GOOD LOOKS
May 04 23:22:48 <Peter-C>	:D
May 04 23:22:49 <MacMed>	our love
May 04 23:22:51 <Fluffernutter>	yeah no
May 04 23:22:57 <MacMed>	Peter-C: lets be realistic...
May 04 23:23:26 <MacMed>	my fave database report
May 04 23:23:29 <topaz>	Sir48: I get the same.  On the other hand #2 and #3 in that list use {{dts|1790-1840}} and {{dts|2007-2008}}, which I don't think is an acceptable syntax
May 04 23:23:37 <MacMed>	"Articles containing bullshit template parameters"
May 04 23:25:10 <Glass_Soul>	What
May 04 23:25:13 <Glass_Soul>	what good looks
May 04 23:25:21 <Glass_Soul>	Articles look good
May 04 23:25:30 <topaz>	Sir48: try reloading, it should sort correctly now
May 04 23:25:30 <MacMed>	Gfoley4: how do I request file moves
May 04 23:25:38 <Glass_Soul>	and I give them good looks, too
May 04 23:25:40 <Gfoley4>	ask me
May 04 23:25:42 <Gfoley4>	>:)
May 04 23:26:45 <Sir48>	topaz: a problem with  - 1935 and -1983
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May 04 23:27:00 <Sir48>	the two first entries
May 04 23:27:18 <topaz>	Sir48: those entries don't even use {{dts}}.
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May 04 23:28:07 <topaz>	Lyndon1504: use this change for guidance: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_murderers_by_number_of_victims&action=historysubmit&diff=427482983&oldid=425330430
May 04 23:28:14 <Lyndon1504>	Sir48 and topaz: the one with -1983 should be from 1977 and 1983 i think, so whats the best way to write the dts syntax? "{{dts|1977} to 1983"?
May 04 23:28:25 <topaz>	Lyndon1504: that seems to be the preferred method
May 04 23:28:40 <topaz>	at least, based on how other entries in that table are written
May 04 23:28:43 <Sir48>	there is also a problem with : March 1994 to April 28, 2004
May 04 23:28:59 <Sir48>	maybe a syntax error also
May 04 23:29:18 <topaz>	I have to go but I encourage you all to continue debugging the table :-=_
May 04 23:29:20 <topaz>	:-)
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May 04 23:30:22 <Lyndon1504>	I will do, cheers for the help topaz
May 04 23:30:23 <Sir48>	thx, topaz :)
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May 04 23:32:40 <Lyndon1504>	Sir48 I see one here formatted as  {{dts|2010|06|02}} and through reading the list it appears to be the latest one, but it isn't at the top of the list
May 04 23:32:43 <Lyndon1504>	is it for you?
May 04 23:34:56 <Sir48>	my top is 2007
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May 04 23:35:11 <slakr>	http://www.cnn.com/2011/SPORT/05/04/ncaa.bcs/index.html?hpt=T2 <--- ah yes, because *that's* what's important to investigate--football.
May 04 23:35:13 <Lyndon1504>	search Derrick Bird, he is June 2 2010
May 04 23:35:22 <Lyndon1504>	it seems formatted correctly enough to me
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May 04 23:38:27 <Sir48>	Matti Saari  has not been formatted, Lyndon1504
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May 04 23:40:02 <Lyndon1504>	if i change the formatting, it should work correctly if i preview it, right?
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May 04 23:40:36 <Fluffernutter>	Dragonfly6-7, y u so abusive
May 04 23:40:46 <Sir48>	lyndon1504: I suppose so
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May 04 23:41:58 <Lyndon1504>	sir48 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_murderers_by_number_of_victims&diff=427484743&oldid=427482983
May 04 23:42:11 <Gfoley4>	Fluffernutter, why u so stupid
May 04 23:42:12 <Lyndon1504>	sir48 yet i see no difference in the date sorted list :S
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May 04 23:42:37 <Fluffernutter>	Gfoley4, maintaining terrible taste in men takes a lot out of a girl
May 04 23:42:44 <Gfoley4>	haha
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May 04 23:48:24 <Sir48>	Lyndonn: The abbreviation is sep  - not sept
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May 04 23:48:48 <Sir48>	Lyndon1504 it is
May 04 23:48:49 <MuZemike>	lol @ the bottom of ANI
May 04 23:48:53 <MuZemike>	"You did add spam. I can't help but be amused by this. This is like saying, "I'm not trying to advertise for Coca-Cola, I just want to start a discussion about the refreshing beverage that is sure to quench your thirst, which has been enjoyed by many generations all over the world and can now be purchased at a reduced price at Wal-Mart and other leading retailers, for a limited time.""
May 04 23:49:29 <Sir48>	MuZemike: Good one :)
May 04 23:49:52 <ThrashOut>	lol
May 04 23:49:54 <ThrashOut>	:))
May 04 23:49:55 *	MuZemike has to use that in the future
May 04 23:51:02 <Lyndon1504>	sir48 not for me, must be an browser issue?
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May 04 23:51:37 <Sir48>	Lyndon1504: I'm looking at the examples for the template: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Dts
May 04 23:51:57 <Dragonfly6-7>	MuZemike - diff please?
May 04 23:51:58 <Lyndon1504>	sir48 i've been following that to the letter
May 04 23:52:17 <MuZemike>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=427485170&oldid=427484782
May 04 23:52:33 <Glass_Arm>	#team935
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May 04 23:52:40 <Glass_Arm>	woops
May 04 23:52:44 <MuZemike>	Still wouldn't convince me to buy Coke.
May 04 23:52:54 <Sir48>	Lyndon1504: You wrote Sept instead of sep as in the example :)
May 04 23:53:12 <Glass_Arm>	Sept is better than Sep
May 04 23:53:14 <MuZemike>	Replace the cola with "Pepsi", and you may convince me.
May 04 23:53:18 <Sir48>	otherwise, try to enter 09 instead
May 04 23:53:47 <Sir48>	Glass-Arm: In template dts?
May 04 23:53:53 <foks>	eww pepsi
May 04 23:54:36 <Glass_Arm>	Sir48: Oh right
May 04 23:55:26 <Sir48>	Glass_Arm: I think it only accepts 3-letter abbreviations
May 04 23:55:37 <Glass_Arm>	You're right
May 04 23:55:38 <Glass_Arm>	my bad
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May 04 23:55:55 <Glass_Arm>	i just hang around here because this channel is interesting
May 04 23:56:02 <Lyndon1504>	my mistake Sir48
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May 04 23:56:40 <Sir48>	no problem - it ain't easy :)
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May 04 23:56:58 <Lyndon1504>	Sir48: "Expression error: Unrecognised word "sep" didnt seem to work much better.. i'll try 09 like you said
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May 04 23:59:38 <Lyndon1504>	sir48 I wrote it perfectly as per the template, it outputs fine, but doesn't sort
May 04 23:59:41 <Lyndon1504>	I think I give up
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May 05 00:06:01 <Sir48>	Lyndon1504: If you are in edit mode, I don't think you can change sort order at the same time
May 05 00:06:19 <Justin_Bieber>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM
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May 05 00:22:35 <Delta>	why do people bitch about me not explaining things when I linked to a full description of my actions in the edit summary?
May 05 00:22:53 <barts1a>	People like to bitch about things.
May 05 00:22:56 <Fluffernutter>	possibly because they'd rather you use the talk page?
May 05 00:23:06 <barts1a>	^
May 05 00:23:55 <Dragonfly6-7>	Delta - 'cause they're dumbshits?
May 05 00:24:24 <Delta>	Dragonfly6-7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%CE%94#Image_removals_from_articles
May 05 00:24:59 <Delta>	they ask two questions that are literally almost identical to the essay I asked them to read multiple times
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May 05 00:28:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	see previous answer
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May 05 00:43:26 *	Fluffernutter sighs
May 05 00:44:00 <Fluffernutter>	i hate pollen
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May 05 00:45:00 <slakr>	on a microscopic scale, it's like being screwed by a male flower--in your nose.
May 05 00:45:20 <Gfoley4>	O:
May 05 00:45:39 <Fluffernutter>	...yes. I do not, in fact, like being screwed in the nose, by anyone/thing
May 05 00:46:22 <slakr>	Nature: Raping your nose, because you screwed her over.(tm)
May 05 00:49:23 *	Jeni has quit (Quit: I win!)
May 05 00:49:50 *	Fluffernutter didn't!
May 05 00:49:58 <Fluffernutter>	i mean sure i killed those spiders...
May 05 00:50:03 <Fluffernutter>	and trampled that grass...
May 05 00:50:08 <Fluffernutter>	BUT THOSE WERE SELF-DEFENSE
May 05 00:50:13 <slakr>	mmmmhmmm
May 05 00:50:18 <slakr>	and what about that house you live in?
May 05 00:50:24 <Fluffernutter>	<_<
May 05 00:50:30 <slakr>	did the space for that magically come from nowhere? and the building materials?
May 05 00:50:40 <slakr>	:P
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May 05 00:50:55 <Fluffernutter>	allow me to divert attention from myself by pointing out that twice, i asked ironholds to kill spiders for me, and twice, he was too much of a pussy to get near them
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May 05 00:51:38 <ThrashOut>	did you kill them for him?
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May 05 00:51:43 <Fluffernutter>	one escaped me
May 05 00:51:44 <Guerillero>	why couldn't you kill them?
May 05 00:51:45 <Fluffernutter>	the other i killed
May 05 00:52:00 <ThrashOut>	so, there is a lose spider on your premises :O
May 05 00:52:03 <Fluffernutter>	i could, but i'm the freaking arachnophobic in this relationship, dammit. he claimed to be willing to squish!
May 05 00:52:07 <slakr>	it is, in part, true about nature raping your nose... in response to slashing down plant life, we're, in the long run, artificially selecting for high-pollen-output plants, as it'll be more advantageous for them to spread more seed a further distance.
May 05 00:52:08 <BarkingFish>	Fluffernutter: Home made flamethrower does the job.
May 05 00:52:09 <ThrashOut>	Make sure you sleep with your mouth closed
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May 05 00:52:28 <BarkingFish>	One cigarette lighter + bottle of cheap aftershave = chargrilled arachnid
May 05 00:52:39 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 05 00:53:15 <Doc_glasgow>	I have written an article on Kate Middleton's dog [[Otto Middleton]]
May 05 00:53:30 <foks>	Oh dear.
May 05 00:53:34 <BarkingFish>	I get the cheapo "£1.49 for a shedload" aftershave, and just nuke spiders with it. It's a spray on thing, so it works great. Just spray it through the lighter flame.
May 05 00:53:39 <Fluffernutter>	...whut
May 05 00:53:39 <Guerillero>	wtf
May 05 00:53:48 <Fluffernutter>	bahaha
May 05 00:54:04 <Fluffernutter>	BarkingFish, see, i am not big on burning down my apartment
May 05 00:54:07 <BarkingFish>	You get like a 2 or 3ft long flame
May 05 00:54:11 <BarkingFish>	Nor am I.
May 05 00:54:30 *	dungodung|away is now known as dungodung
May 05 00:54:35 <foks>	Family: Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (husband)  • Michael Middleton (father) • Carole Middleton (mother) • Pippa Middleton (sister) • James Middleton (brother) • Charles, Prince of Wales (father-in-law) • Diana, Princess of Wales (mother-in-law) • Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall (stepmother-in-law) • Prince Harry of Wales (brother-in-law)  • Otto Middleton (dog)
May 05 00:54:37 <BarkingFish>	I just localise it, and only use it on surfaces that aren't gonna ignite on the briefest contact with a flame
May 05 00:54:42 <derp>	:o
May 05 00:54:46 <BarkingFish>	bathroom tiles, etc
May 05 00:55:01 <derp>	the Canadian Army has been called in Quebec
May 05 00:55:06 <Fluffernutter>	foks: are you betraying your...um...genus? (is it genus?)
May 05 00:55:22 <BarkingFish>	for everything else, there's my splat.  A 2ft length of wood with a square of double thickness upholstery leather nailed to it :)
May 05 00:55:25 *	Glass_Soul is now known as Glass_Uterus
May 05 00:55:29 <foks>	Fluffernutter, :D
May 05 00:55:45 <Fluffernutter>	ewww skunk
May 05 00:55:47 <Fluffernutter>	the fuck
May 05 00:56:31 <foks>	why has nobody speedied [[Otto Middleton]] yet ):
May 05 00:56:34 *	Fluffernutter did not know we had entire articles entirely about the wedding gowns of Princesses Kate and Diana
May 05 00:56:37 <Fluffernutter>	it's at AfD, foks
May 05 00:56:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	foks - 'cause it was created by Doc Glasgow
May 05 00:56:54 <Dragonfly6-7>	Fluffernutter - did you know that our article on [[Pippa Middleton]] has a section about her buttocks?
May 05 00:57:09 <Gfoley4>	o:
May 05 00:57:15 <Fluffernutter>	does not, Dragonfly6-7
May 05 00:57:47 <derp>	hmm.. Ottava might come back on IRC.
May 05 00:57:57 *	Glass_Uterus is now known as Glass_Dong
May 05 00:58:02 <Fluffernutter>	derp, i thought he was staying awya until he finished his dissertation thingie
May 05 00:58:12 <Peter-C>	"But Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) disagreed with Mr. Obama's decision. He said the purpose of sending U.S. forces into the compound, rather than bombing it from the air, had been to obtain proof of bin Laden's death"
May 05 00:58:13 <Sir48>	who writes Buckingham and asks politely to have the gowns donated to wikisource :)
May 05 00:58:14 <Peter-C>	NO
May 05 00:58:20 *	derp declares Peter-C a ☣☣BIOHAZARD!☣☣
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May 05 00:58:30 <Peter-C>	What is Sen. Graham smoking?!
May 05 00:58:34 <Fluffernutter>	your hair
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May 05 00:58:52 <derp>	his coon hair.
May 05 00:58:58 *	Glass_Dong is now known as Glass_Arm
May 05 00:58:58 <Peter-C>	The reason why we didn't bomb the compound is because all the evidence that said Osama was there was circumstancial
May 05 00:59:30 <Peter-C>	It would have REALLY sucked if we bombed a very protective family instead of getting Osama
May 05 00:59:38 *	Fluffernutter bombs Peter-C
May 05 01:00:20 <Fluffernutter>	Is Kate Middleton now titled Princess, or just Duchess, etc?
May 05 01:00:43 <BarkingFish>	She is Princess Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
May 05 01:00:56 <foks>	Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
May 05 01:00:59 <foks>	ye.
May 05 01:01:06 <foks>	+Princess but w/e
May 05 01:01:17 <Fluffernutter>	how come her article doesn't have "Princess" in the title? I mean, I'm assuming this was heavily discussed, i just don't feel like reading to find out
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May 05 01:01:42 <Dragonfly6-7>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pippa_Middleton&oldid=426987102
May 05 01:01:48 <Dragonfly6-7>	Her fame is partially due to public admiration for her buttocks.[3][4][5]
May 05 01:01:55 <foks>	three whole references.
May 05 01:01:57 <Fluffernutter>	well, she does have a nice ass
May 05 01:01:58 <foks>	:D
May 05 01:02:02 <Gfoley4>	:D
May 05 01:02:38 <Mitchazenia>	:|
May 05 01:02:44 <Fluffernutter>	no?
May 05 01:02:46 <Doc_glasgow>	they are trying to delete my article, bloody deletionist vandals
May 05 01:02:50 <Fluffernutter>	hah
May 05 01:02:56 <Gfoley4>	;o
May 05 01:03:03 <Doc_glasgow>	I have flagged it for rescue
May 05 01:03:10 <slakr>	what article?
May 05 01:03:11 <Doc_glasgow>	[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Otto Middleton]]
May 05 01:03:12 <Mitchazenia>	It suprises me a bit that Fluffernutter of all people said that
May 05 01:03:14 <Fluffernutter>	Otto
May 05 01:03:18 *	Fluffernutter grins
May 05 01:03:22 <Mitchazenia>	I'd expect that out of Peter
May 05 01:03:25 <Fluffernutter>	I like to scare people every now and then, Mitchazenia
May 05 01:03:38 <slakr>	who's otto middleton?
May 05 01:03:42 <Fluffernutter>	Kate's dog
May 05 01:03:42 <slakr>	a fucking dog?
May 05 01:03:42 <Glass_Arm>	BOO!
May 05 01:03:45 <slakr>	you're kidding me
May 05 01:03:48 *	Fluffernutter grins
May 05 01:03:50 <Gfoley4>	yay, Derrick Rose wins MVP
May 05 01:03:52 <Glass_Arm>	slakr: NOPE
May 05 01:04:01 <foks>	Scott, you really should know better
May 05 01:04:03 <foks>	sigh
May 05 01:04:11 <Fluffernutter>	who's scott?
May 05 01:04:15 <slakr>	Doc_glasgow: you can't seriously expect people to think that some princess's dog is encyclopedic.
May 05 01:04:17 <Doc_glasgow>	me
May 05 01:04:26 <slakr>	I mean
May 05 01:04:29 <slakr>	I think highly of my cat
May 05 01:04:34 <Glass_Arm>	slakr: Yes you can
May 05 01:04:39 <foks>	and rob as well oh for the love of fuck
May 05 01:04:41 <Fluffernutter>	my dog needs an article. he won races!
May 05 01:04:49 <Gfoley4>	rly?
May 05 01:04:49 <Doc_glasgow>	slakr: it has more coverage than her brother - but actually look, the dog has had a lot ofcoverage
May 05 01:04:50 <slakr>	but if some tools started worshipping it
May 05 01:04:51 <Fluffernutter>	rly
May 05 01:05:00 <slakr>	so what? nobody cares about the dog.
May 05 01:05:12 <Gfoley4>	Strong keep - IT is so super notable i am wetting myself - easily hurdles the grass cutting trivia of GNG minimal triavia level - keep keep I love it. Off2riorob (talk) 23:47, 4 May 2011 (UTC) lolwut
May 05 01:05:18 *	Glass_Arm inhales
May 05 01:05:20 <slakr>	:P
May 05 01:05:22 *	Glass_Arm exhales
May 05 01:05:26 *	Glass_Arm inhales
May 05 01:05:29 <foks>	(I THINK THEY'RE MAYBE TAKING THE PISS)
May 05 01:05:29 <Fluffernutter>	is James Middleton the one who has naked photos?
May 05 01:05:29 *	Glass_Arm exhales
May 05 01:05:29 <slakr>	Glass_Arm: enough.
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May 05 01:05:34 <Gfoley4>	^
May 05 01:05:42 <foks>	Just maybe.
May 05 01:05:43 <slakr>	you already did it before, too, and I ignored it.
May 05 01:05:51 <Glass_Arm>	I CAN'T JUST STOP BREATHING
May 05 01:05:57 <slakr>	yes, you can.
May 05 01:05:57 <Fluffernutter>	TRY
May 05 01:06:07 <Fluffernutter>	I have a pillow i can smother you with, if it helps
May 05 01:06:08 *	Glass_Arm holds breath
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May 05 01:06:22 *	slakr rolls his eyes
May 05 01:06:22 <Fluffernutter>	that went well
May 05 01:06:22 <Gfoley4>	;D
May 05 01:06:26 <slakr>	normally I have to kick them
May 05 01:06:28 <slakr>	that was easy.
May 05 01:06:38 *	Gfoley4 is now known as GF4|DerrickRose
May 05 01:06:40 *	slakr chuckles
May 05 01:06:41 <Fluffernutter>	who is he?
May 05 01:06:45 <Peter-C>	WTF
May 05 01:06:45 <slakr>	I forgot
May 05 01:06:51 <slakr>	I recognize the host, tho
May 05 01:06:52 <GF4|DerrickRose>	NBA MVP
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May 05 01:07:11 <slakr>	it's someone who's stirred up stuff before.
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May 05 01:07:18 <Fluffernutter>	yeeeah
May 05 01:07:19 <Peter-C>	Aparently the Spaish *army* found a pirate boat and the pirates surrenered to the Royal Navy
May 05 01:07:37 <slakr>	I suppose if he keeps up, I can always get his phone service disconnected due to abuse. :P
May 05 01:07:38 <Peter-C>	I have no idea which is more suprising, Spain having an army or someone surrendering to the brits xD
May 05 01:07:58 <Glass_Arm>	Both
May 05 01:07:59 <Peter-C>	^
May 05 01:08:11 *	foks ignores the blatant racism
May 05 01:08:11 <Fluffernutter>	Peter-C: you've heard of the Armada, yes?
May 05 01:08:11 *	CKtravel_ is now known as CKtravel
May 05 01:08:19 <foks>	and complete ignorance, it seems
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May 05 01:08:29 *	Fluffernutter pets foks, offers him some Jack
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May 05 01:08:45 <Glass_Arm>	Fluffernutter: The epic failure
May 05 01:08:46 <foks>	thanks.
May 05 01:09:12 <Peter-C>	foks - >_>
May 05 01:09:14 *	Glass_Arm hits foks, offers him nothing
May 05 01:09:17 <Peter-C>	The US beat the lobster backs!
May 05 01:09:18 <Fluffernutter>	getting younger men drunk, one of my pleasures in life :P
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May 05 01:09:29 *	Glass_Arm shatters his glass arm
May 05 01:09:41 <Glass_Arm>	kinky
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May 05 01:09:45 <GF4|DerrickRose>	Fluffernutter: what happens after you get them drunk?
May 05 01:09:48 *	foks punches Glass_Arm so hard they have to stick a toothbrush up their arse to clean their teeth.
May 05 01:10:15 <Fluffernutter>	GF4|DerrickRose: incriminating photographs
May 05 01:10:19 <Glass_Arm>	kinky
May 05 01:10:32 <GF4|DerrickRose>	 Fluffernutter is a rebel
May 05 01:10:37 <GF4|DerrickRose>	^_^
May 05 01:10:43 <Glass_Arm>	^_^ ^_^ ^_^
May 05 01:10:54 *	Peter-C licks foks
May 05 01:10:56 <Fluffernutter>	ew
May 05 01:10:59 *	GF4|DerrickRose is now known as Derrick_Rose
May 05 01:11:02 <Glass_Arm>	wha-
May 05 01:11:05 <Fluffernutter>	hands off, Peter-C. he's mine :P
May 05 01:11:05 <Glass_Arm>	kinky
May 05 01:11:22 <Glass_Arm>	no?
May 05 01:11:23 <Glass_Arm>	ok
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May 05 01:11:37 <Fluffernutter>	hm. i've never seen Die Hard
May 05 01:11:44 <Fluffernutter>	is this something i need to remedy?
May 05 01:11:45 <Derrick_Rose>	now /ban Glass_Arm!*@*
May 05 01:12:12 <Derrick_Rose>	Fluffernutter: yes
May 05 01:12:15 <Derrick_Rose>	do it now
May 05 01:12:24 *	Fluffernutter has also never seen Blade Runner
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May 05 01:16:56 <Guerillero>	:o
May 05 01:17:03 <Guerillero>	its a classic
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May 05 01:17:38 <Fluffernutter>	everyone i tell about this reacts with horror
May 05 01:17:46 <Fluffernutter>	but no one's managed to show it to me yet
May 05 01:18:05 <Fluffernutter>	dammit i'm sick of wheezing
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May 05 01:21:06 <geniice>	Blade Runner probably not important as it was because the aesthetic has been reused so widely
May 05 01:21:16 <foks>	I've not heard of it
May 05 01:21:24 <Fluffernutter>	i've read the article about the novel it's based on
May 05 01:21:24 <geniice>	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CyberpunkWithAChanceOfRain
May 05 01:21:27 <Fluffernutter>	i figure that's partial credit
May 05 01:21:38 <foks>	unless that's that wesley snipes flick
May 05 01:22:04 <geniice>	do androids dream of electric sheep? I've read it but the dirrector didn't (well not the second half anyway)
May 05 01:22:07 <Fluffernutter>	[[Blade Runner]]
May 05 01:22:20 <Fluffernutter>	based on a Dick novel
May 05 01:23:09 <Fluffernutter>	ironholds was going to make me watch it last weekend but then we ran out of time. So presumably he will continue to despair of me.
May 05 01:23:15 <geniice>	do androids dream of electric sheep
May 05 01:23:36 <geniice>	heh bits of cyberpunk haven't aged too well
May 05 01:23:42 <geniice>	"The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel"
May 05 01:23:45 <geniice>	err blue?
May 05 01:25:08 <Fluffernutter>	...how old are you, geniice?
May 05 01:25:23 <Fluffernutter>	i mean, my tv tuned to a dead channel is still mottled grey
May 05 01:25:28 <Fluffernutter>	maybe it's different in europe?
May 05 01:25:37 <geniice>	quite old enough to have seen a lot of mottled grey TVs
May 05 01:25:51 <geniice>	but the next generation? not going to see much of that
May 05 01:25:55 <Doc_glasgow>	ah, I remember the days
May 05 01:26:08 <Fluffernutter>	is blue a thing now?
May 05 01:26:10 *	Guerillero feels very young
May 05 01:26:15 <geniice>	Fluffernutter digital TV yes
May 05 01:26:21 <Fluffernutter>	Guerillero: can you legally drink alcohol in the USA?
May 05 01:26:26 <Guerillero>	nope
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May 05 01:26:35 <Fluffernutter>	then yeah, you're young :P
May 05 01:26:51 <Doc_glasgow>	what the US still has prohibition?
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May 05 01:27:01 <Fluffernutter>	no, the US has a drinking age of 21
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May 05 01:27:19 <Doc_glasgow>	I thought you were inferring geniice was old enough to recall prohibition
May 05 01:27:51 <Fluffernutter>	*implying
May 05 01:27:53 <Doc_glasgow>	if we introduced a 21 year rule, most of the pubs round here would close
May 05 01:27:56 <Fluffernutter>	and no
May 05 01:28:11 <derp>	Ugh
May 05 01:28:13 <geniice>	<Doc_glasgow we clearly go to different trpes of pubs
May 05 01:28:18 <derp>	i have apps that i want to remove on my macbook pro but i can't
May 05 01:28:26 <Doc_glasgow>	geniice: I didn't say I went to them
May 05 01:28:29 <Fluffernutter>	suck to be you, derp
May 05 01:28:36 <derp>	iknowrite
May 05 01:28:40 <Mono>	derp: from the app store?
May 05 01:28:43 <derp>	yes
May 05 01:28:47 <Mono>	Hmm.
May 05 01:28:47 <derp>	VirtualDJ
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May 05 01:28:55 <derp>	I tried AppZapper but it didn't work.
May 05 01:29:21 <Mono>	Have you tried a) looking in the App Store for a delete button b) Dragging it to the trash or c) Getting support from Apple
May 05 01:29:22 <Mono>	?
May 05 01:29:28 <derp>	meh
May 05 01:29:31 <derp>	I'll just reformat
May 05 01:29:31 <derp>	:)
May 05 01:29:34 <derp>	fixes everything
May 05 01:29:34 <derp>	lol
May 05 01:29:43 *	Fluffernutter reformats derp
May 05 01:29:43 <Mono>	*just* reformat
May 05 01:30:13 <Mono>	derp: http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-do-what-the-mac-app-store-doesnt-uninstall-apps/
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May 05 01:30:43 <derp>	ty Mono à3
May 05 01:30:56 <Mono>	that was my number b
May 05 01:31:31 *	matthewrbowker is now known as MRB[away]
May 05 01:31:37 <Mono>	but derp, I don't think it will really matter if there's stuff scattered around
May 05 01:31:43 <derp>	yeah
May 05 01:31:44 <derp>	meh
May 05 01:31:46 <derp>	ty anyways
May 05 01:32:55 <Fluffernutter>	zomg snape is the bad guy
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May 05 01:34:10 <Peter-C>	ZOMG FLUFFERNUTTER IS ACTUALLY A GIRL
May 05 01:34:14 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 05 01:34:36 <Fluffernutter>	would you like me to put you in contact with ironholds, sweetie? he can verify whether I'm a girl or not...
May 05 01:34:57 <Peter-C>	Yes please :D
May 05 01:35:16 <Fluffernutter>	unfortunately he is not currently availalb
May 05 01:35:22 <Fluffernutter>	but i'll let him know you have questions
May 05 01:36:17 <Guerillero>	:o
May 05 01:36:24 *	Fluffernutter grins
May 05 01:36:43 <Fluffernutter>	actually i think he has his first final tomorrow
May 05 01:36:52 <Fluffernutter>	so you may not want to pester him for the next few weeks
May 05 01:37:07 <Peter-C>	:(
May 05 01:37:38 <Fluffernutter>	:D
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May 05 01:39:12 *	derp downloads ubuntu.
May 05 01:39:41 <Peter-C>	s/ubuntu/porn
May 05 01:39:57 <derp>	stfu virgin boy.
May 05 01:40:22 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 05 01:40:41 <Guerillero>	low blow
May 05 01:40:54 <derp>	very.
May 05 01:41:03 <Fluffernutter>	but it worked
May 05 01:41:09 <derp>	Isee that
May 05 01:41:49 *	Guerillero continues to jam to bright eyes
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May 05 01:44:12 <geniice>	and this is what I've been working on most of this evening
May 05 01:44:14 <geniice>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fort_nelsonmap_traced_from_old_OS.svg
May 05 01:44:55 <Guerillero>	wow
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May 05 01:45:59 <geniice>	problem is all I had to work from was a 6 inch to the mile OS map
May 05 01:46:23 <geniice>	going to use it to create a better version of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geni/map
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May 05 01:49:22 <Peter-C>	Someone recomend me a good book on current events
May 05 01:49:23 <Peter-C>	NAOW
May 05 01:49:49 <Dragonfly6-7>	No.
May 05 01:49:59 <Peter-C>	Later?
May 05 01:50:49 <Dragonfly6-7>	Matybe
May 05 01:50:53 <Dragonfly6-7>	if you're good and patrol newpages.
May 05 01:51:17 <Fluffernutter>	no
May 05 01:51:19 <geniice>	Peter-C "flat earth news"
May 05 01:52:19 <Fluffernutter>	Peter-C: "Final Jeopardy" by Stephen Baker
May 05 01:52:22 <Doc_glasgow>	"Death of Osama bin Laden merchandising" how sick?
May 05 01:52:26 <foks>	[01:49]	Peter-C	Someone recomend me a good book on current events
May 05 01:52:34 <foks>	^ a newspaper
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May 05 01:52:54 <geniice>	Doc_glasgow why? there was massive amounts of death of nelson  merchandising back in the day
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May 05 01:53:09 <Doc_glasgow>	oh, noes I have to vote today
May 05 01:53:20 <Fluffernutter>	in glasgow?
May 05 01:53:24 <Doc_glasgow>	geniice: I don't think it was celebrating his death
May 05 01:53:29 <geniice>	vote yes for AV because they don't want you to
May 05 01:53:45 <foks>	I have to voite today too.
May 05 01:53:53 <foks>	First time voiters represent
May 05 01:53:56 <Fluffernutter>	aw
May 05 01:53:57 <foks>	...
May 05 01:53:58 <Doc_glasgow>	geniice: I intend to rank my preferences in order on the referendum
May 05 01:53:58 <foks>	vote
May 05 01:53:59 *	Fluffernutter pets the baby foks
May 05 01:54:01 <foks>	VOTE
May 05 01:54:04 <foks>	not i.
May 05 01:54:06 <foks>	):
May 05 01:54:09 <foks>	Doc_glasgow, haha
May 05 01:54:16 <foks>	[ 1 ] Yes
May 05 01:54:19 <foks>	[ 2 ] No
May 05 01:54:21 <foks>	:D
May 05 01:54:25 <geniice>	100% of troy prats what you to vote no on AV
May 05 01:54:29 <geniice>	tory
May 05 01:54:45 <Doc_glasgow>	Yes, I will put a 1 in the yes box and a 2 in the no, or perhaps the other order
May 05 01:55:25 <foks>	sweet
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May 05 01:55:36 <Doc_glasgow>	geniice: I live in Glasgow. 100% of Labour party timeservers are urging me to vote no to AV
May 05 01:55:53 <Doc_glasgow>	because they all want to keep their safe seats
May 05 01:56:08 <Doc_glasgow>	and I say "screw em"
May 05 01:56:30 <foks>	:D
May 05 01:56:30 <Fluffernutter>	isn't that basically glaswegians' view of the world?
May 05 01:56:39 <Doc_glasgow>	so I will vote no, to please the tories and annoy labour
May 05 01:56:42 <foks>	I live in Aberdeen, where we're also Labour
May 05 01:56:58 <foks>	Well, Labour and SNP sort of mix into one ugly pot.
May 05 01:56:59 <geniice>	opinion polls say it's going to be a no vote
May 05 01:57:08 <foks>	It's bound to be no
May 05 01:57:11 <Doc_glasgow>	geniice: yup,
May 05 01:57:13 <foks>	old folk hate change
May 05 01:57:16 <foks>	simple
May 05 01:57:26 <foks>	Britain is mostly old folk
May 05 01:57:31 <Doc_glasgow>	It will be no, and the only consolation is that we shit on Clegg
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May 05 01:57:48 <foks>	or stab him
May 05 01:58:02 <geniice>	foks so what you are saying is we should abolish the NHS then hold the vote again
May 05 01:58:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	Doc_glasgow - would you join #wikipedia-en-help, please.
May 05 01:58:10 *	foks is a strong Lib Dem fan but is seriously reconsidering
May 05 01:58:17 <Doc_glasgow>	Dragonfly6-7: no, I'd rather not
May 05 01:58:26 *	Fluffernutter is finally starting to get the hang of metric political parties
May 05 01:58:43 <Guerillero>	hehe
May 05 01:58:54 <Doc_glasgow>	foks: if we get PR, then we are all libdems in perpetuity. We just let Clegg pick the PM
May 05 01:58:56 <foks>	geniice, ?
May 05 01:59:01 <Fluffernutter>	Tories = Conservatives = rich white assholes; Labour = liberals = nice rich white assholes; libdem = green party = everyone hates you
May 05 01:59:18 <foks>	libdem does not = greens ahaha
May 05 01:59:26 <Fluffernutter>	i mean in the sense of everyone hating you
May 05 01:59:28 <Fluffernutter>	not in the sense of policy
May 05 01:59:30 <Doc_glasgow>	Labour are not rich white assholes here
May 05 01:59:47 <foks>	Labour are the tabloids of the Scottish government
May 05 01:59:48 <Guerillero>	all my friends were lib dems
May 05 01:59:57 <foks>	well
May 05 01:59:58 <Guerillero>	now they are not
May 05 01:59:59 <Fluffernutter>	Doc_glasgow: do you have any pols that aren't rich white men? really?
May 05 01:59:59 <foks>	Maybe SNP are
May 05 02:00:11 <geniice>	Fluffernutter labour are a bit of a mix
May 05 02:00:17 <Doc_glasgow>	Labour = Catholics, trade-union timeservers and people who hate education (because they don't have any)
May 05 02:00:17 *	Fluffernutter is sleeping with a libdem. I still don't really know what that means, though.
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May 05 02:00:40 <geniice>	Fluffernutter Labour still have some old union people in their ranks
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May 05 02:00:44 <Doc_glasgow>	Fluffernutter: stay away from Lembic Opic, really
May 05 02:00:49 <Fluffernutter>	Lem...what?
May 05 02:01:00 <foks>	hahahaha
May 05 02:01:05 <foks>	I love you, Doc_glasgow
May 05 02:01:12 <geniice>	Opic wants to run for london mayor. I think he'd fit right in
May 05 02:01:17 <foks>	not in the sexual way.
May 05 02:01:19 <foks>	of course.
May 05 02:01:26 *	foks is tired.
May 05 02:01:36 <Herodotus>	Not that there's anything wrong with that.
May 05 02:01:42 <Fluffernutter>	from liking men in nonsexual ways?
May 05 02:01:48 <Fluffernutter>	you shoudl try liking them in sexual ways
May 05 02:01:51 <Fluffernutter>	it's even more tirin
May 05 02:01:52 <Fluffernutter>	g
May 05 02:01:57 <foks>	:3
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May 05 02:02:10 <Doc_glasgow>	oh, ffs, why do we always have to do that "not that I'm homophobic" bit
May 05 02:02:12 *	Fluffernutter trollfaces
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May 05 02:02:20 <Fluffernutter>	who did that, Doc_glasgow?
May 05 02:02:28 <Fluffernutter>	oh, foks did
May 05 02:02:29 <Doc_glasgow>	Herodotus	Not that there's anything wrong with that.
May 05 02:02:30 *	Fluffernutter smirks
May 05 02:02:34 <Fluffernutter>	...wow
May 05 02:02:40 <Fluffernutter>	foks != Herodotus. My apologies, foksy
May 05 02:02:50 <Dragonfly6-7>	Doc_glasgow -  look, I can't torment the guy for you.
May 05 02:02:51 <Herodotus>	You're better off blaming him.
May 05 02:03:12 <foks>	whaaaa
May 05 02:03:38 *	Fluffernutter offers apologetic Reese's Pieces
May 05 02:03:43 *	Headbomb (~chatzilla@Wikipedia/Headbomb) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 05 02:04:02 *	wctaiwan nicks said Pieces and wanders off
May 05 02:04:09 <Fluffernutter>	aw
May 05 02:04:10 <Fluffernutter>	that's rude
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May 05 02:04:18 <foks>	Reese's what
May 05 02:04:19 <foks>	);
May 05 02:04:22 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 05 02:04:30 *	Avruch (~Avruch@65.183.156.126) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 05 02:04:30 <Fluffernutter>	please tell me you have Reese's Pieces there
May 05 02:04:32 *	Avruch has quit (Changing host)
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May 05 02:04:39 <foks>	Those things I keep getting pictures of?
May 05 02:04:40 <foks>	no
May 05 02:04:43 *	Mikemoral is now known as mikemoral|afk
May 05 02:04:43 <foks>	we don't.
May 05 02:04:46 <Fluffernutter>	DEAR GOD
May 05 02:04:52 <Fluffernutter>	[[Reese's Pieces]]
May 05 02:04:54 *	barts1a (~barts1a@CPE-60-230-203-235.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au) has joined #wikipedia-en
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May 05 02:05:16 <barts1a>	WP:USERNAME/WP:COI vio? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RecreationalBoardSports
May 05 02:05:17 <Fluffernutter>	except mine are easter-themed and the size of cadbury mini-eggs
May 05 02:05:43 <foks>	Peanut butter?!
May 05 02:05:46 <foks>	ewwww
May 05 02:05:57 <Doc_glasgow>	Ha, I like this "This is the point when the USA realises that Osama made 7 horcruxes"
May 05 02:06:04 <Dragonfly6-7>	Doc_glasgow - okay, I've pointed him to AN/I
May 05 02:06:49 *	Headbomb|Laptop has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
May 05 02:06:59 <foks>	Doc_glasgow, I prefer "It's amazing what the Americans can do when the PlayStation Network is down"
May 05 02:07:10 <Doc_glasgow>	ha
May 05 02:07:22 <barts1a>	LOL! That is good
May 05 02:07:35 <Fluffernutter>	is there a warning template for "misleading edit summary"?
May 05 02:07:49 <barts1a>	umm... I think so...
May 05 02:07:51 <Doc_glasgow>	foks: meanwhile in the UK, we were all too busy staring at Pippa Middleton's buttocks
May 05 02:08:06 <foks>	Obviously.
May 05 02:08:18 <foks>	And Otto Middleton.
May 05 02:08:26 <Fluffernutter>	fucking hell, i need a refill for my asthma inhaler
May 05 02:08:29 *	enhydra has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
May 05 02:08:47 <barts1a>	it ALWAYS needs refilling at the WORST possible time!
May 05 02:09:08 <Fluffernutter>	mine just always needs refilling, period, because i use it so rarely
May 05 02:09:12 <Fluffernutter>	but this month has been hell
May 05 02:09:23 <Doc_glasgow>	Fluffernutter: ask your libdem, don't they believe in healthcare that's free and infinite
May 05 02:09:29 <barts1a>	it happens... I'm an ashmatic myself
May 05 02:09:38 <Fluffernutter>	Doc_glasgow: my libdem is not in contact atm
May 05 02:09:49 <barts1a>	Are you using a preventative inhaler such as Seritide?
May 05 02:10:00 <barts1a>	*Seretide
May 05 02:10:23 *	foks NP: "Kirov Factory" - Balto (October's Road, 0)
May 05 02:10:30 *	dungodung is now known as dungodung|sleep
May 05 02:11:00 <Fluffernutter>	[[albuterol]] for rescue, barts1a. [[Montelukast]] for maintenance.
May 05 02:11:01 *	Headbomb|Laptop (~Headbomb@Wikipedia/Headbomb) has joined #wikipedia-en
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May 05 02:12:07 <Doc_glasgow>	meh, I hear nicotine helps too
May 05 02:12:20 <Fluffernutter>	that seems unlikely
May 05 02:12:33 <barts1a>	^
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May 05 02:12:35 <Doc_glasgow>	so does a libdem manifesto commitment
May 05 02:13:14 <barts1a>	I use the same for rescue (It's called Ventolin here) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seretide for maintenance
May 05 02:13:20 <Fluffernutter>	the only thing i know of nicotine being a good treatment for is ulcerative colitis. Other than that, it just gives you cancer
May 05 02:13:33 *	Doc_glasgow is trying to decide whether to vote Tory or George Galloway for the Scottish Parliament tomorrow
May 05 02:13:49 <Fluffernutter>	ah, i used that for a bit, barts1a, but it kept giving me thrush
May 05 02:13:59 <barts1a>	dang...
May 05 02:14:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	anyone *else* want to go on -en-help  please
May 05 02:14:57 <Fluffernutter>	no
May 05 02:15:25 <Dragonfly6-7>	some guy is bitching about Doc_glasgow
May 05 02:15:34 <barts1a>	ugh...
May 05 02:15:38 <Fluffernutter>	people who didn't do it: me
May 05 02:15:45 <barts1a>	^
May 05 02:15:49 <Doc_glasgow>	Dragonfly6-7: ignore him, he's probably my brother in law
May 05 02:15:53 <Fluffernutter>	lol
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May 05 02:17:07 <Fluffernutter>	la_pianista
May 05 02:17:09 <Fluffernutter>	i love you@
May 05 02:17:11 *	Fluffernutter hugs
May 05 02:17:44 <wctaiwan>	[[File:MandM_Times_Square.JPG]] creepy picture is creepy
May 05 02:17:58 <Fluffernutter>	he's watching you, wctaiwan
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May 05 02:18:36 <barts1a>	M&M's ARE a popular candy
May 05 02:18:42 *	Fluffernutter nods
May 05 02:18:46 <wctaiwan>	they're pretty good.
May 05 02:18:54 <barts1a>	Very much so
May 05 02:18:54 <Fluffernutter>	there is a M&M (Hershey?) store in Times Square, i believe
May 05 02:18:57 <wctaiwan>	too sweet, but eh, what isn't
May 05 02:19:06 <wctaiwan>	that's the one Fluffernutter
May 05 02:19:09 <wctaiwan>	see file name :P
May 05 02:19:14 *	Fluffernutter nods
May 05 02:19:19 *	Fluffernutter avoids Times Square
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May 05 02:19:44 <wctaiwan>	also, M&M's are a Mars product, not Hershey's
May 05 02:19:56 *	MuZemike (~MuZemike@wikimedia/MuZemike) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 05 02:19:57 <Fluffernutter>	yeah, that
May 05 02:20:01 <wctaiwan>	Hershey*
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May 05 02:20:58 *	Peter-C licks his lover
May 05 02:21:04 <Peter-C>	s/lover/la_pianista
May 05 02:21:06 <Peter-C>	:D
May 05 02:21:06 <la_pianista>	Fluffernutter:
May 05 02:21:08 <la_pianista>	I love you
May 05 02:21:15 *	la_pianista hugs
May 05 02:21:15 <la_pianista>	Peter-C
May 05 02:21:15 <la_pianista>	I don't love you
May 05 02:21:16 *	la_pianista does not hug
May 05 02:21:16 <Peter-C>	D:
May 05 02:21:16 <Fluffernutter>	:D
May 05 02:21:18 <wctaiwan>	XD
May 05 02:21:19 *	Fluffernutter is loved more!
May 05 02:21:21 <wctaiwan>	XDDDDDD
May 05 02:21:26 *	barts1a chews on some Extra chewing gum
May 05 02:21:27 *	Fluffernutter offers la_pianista Reese's Pieces
May 05 02:21:30 <wctaiwan>	la_pianista: I laughed. Thanks.
May 05 02:21:30 <Peter-C>	wctaiwan loves me!
May 05 02:21:32 <la_pianista>	!
May 05 02:21:33 *	la_pianista takes
May 05 02:21:43 <wctaiwan>	I do not.
May 05 02:21:57 *	Peter-C hugs wctaiwan
May 05 02:21:57 *	la_pianista pet pets wctaiwan
May 05 02:22:01 <Fluffernutter>	that's my girl
May 05 02:22:08 *	wctaiwan looks at Peter-C as if he is a freak
May 05 02:22:09 *	wctaiwan edges away
May 05 02:22:12 <barts1a>	Welcome to #wikipedia-en!
May 05 02:22:46 <Fluffernutter>	he is a freak. he's Peter-C.
May 05 02:23:07 <Peter-C>	:D
May 05 02:23:14 *	Peter-C steals all the towels
May 05 02:23:15 <Peter-C>	MINE
May 05 02:23:30 *	Fluffernutter has lots of towels
May 05 02:23:46 <Fluffernutter>	because i had lots of guests
May 05 02:23:55 <Fluffernutter>	but surprisingly few of them cleaned themselves
May 05 02:24:10 <barts1a>	TMI man...
May 05 02:24:23 *	Fluffernutter is not aman
May 05 02:24:24 <Dragonfly6-7>	Fluffernutter - did they use toilet paper?
May 05 02:24:29 <Fluffernutter>	Dragonfly6-7: yes, lots of that
May 05 02:24:32 <Fluffernutter>	just not so many towels
May 05 02:24:35 <Derrick_Rose>	did Ironholds clean his towels, Fluffernutter?
May 05 02:24:41 <Fluffernutter>	well, james_f brought his own towel
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May 05 02:25:14 <Fluffernutter>	Derrick_Rose: i don't have a washing machine. All his dirty towels are in my hamper waiting to be washed this weekend at my parents' house
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May 05 02:25:28 <Derrick_Rose>	:(
May 05 02:25:30 <Peter-C>	Ironholds is a perv! :D
May 05 02:26:05 <Fluffernutter>	...well i mean he is, but what do his towels have to do with that?
May 05 02:26:21 <MuZemike>	Aw, crap, the Bulls game is on.
May 05 02:26:41 <MuZemike>	Derrick_Rose: Get back on the court you lazy fucktard!
May 05 02:26:46 <Derrick_Rose>	:P
May 05 02:26:47 *	Peter-C licks la_pianista's face in fromt of Fluffernutter
May 05 02:26:53 <Peter-C>	Oh hey there Fluffernutter, didn't see you
May 05 02:26:54 <Derrick_Rose>	it's halftime
May 05 02:26:56 *	Fluffernutter tears out Peter-C's tongue
May 05 02:27:00 *	Peter-C licks la_pianista's nose
May 05 02:27:06 <Fluffernutter>	you get off my girl, bitch
May 05 02:27:07 <la_pianista>	9.9
May 05 02:27:10 <Peter-C>	O_O
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May 05 02:27:15 <Derrick_Rose>	O_O
May 05 02:27:31 <Prodego>	alright now you guys are starting to annoy me
May 05 02:27:31 <la_pianista>	:3
May 05 02:27:45 <la_pianista>	only starting?
May 05 02:27:47 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 05 02:27:55 *	Fluffernutter watches Prodego rouse from his laze
May 05 02:28:05 <slakr>	shhh dad's home
May 05 02:28:17 *	slakr stares at Prodego in fear
May 05 02:28:19 <Fluffernutter>	awww, mom!
May 05 02:29:13 *	Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|sleep
May 05 02:29:19 <Peter-C>	Fluff|sleep :D
May 05 02:29:20 <Peter-C>	GOOD
May 05 02:29:25 <Peter-C>	la_pianista - your moms gone!
May 05 02:29:31 <Derrick_Rose>	*mom;s
May 05 02:29:32 *	Peter-C eats la_pianista's eye
May 05 02:29:32 <Fluff|sleep>	dude, i'm going to be watching
May 05 02:29:37 <Peter-C>	O_O
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May 05 02:29:39 <Fluff|sleep>	if i see you bother her, i'm coming for you
May 05 02:29:45 <Peter-C>	HOLY FUCK MRS PIANISTA
May 05 02:29:45 <Derrick_Rose>	O_O
May 05 02:29:49 <Glass_Soul>	Well
May 05 02:29:57 <Glass_Soul>	I joined at an awkward moment
May 05 02:30:09 <wctaiwan>	this is all very entertaining, but I must be going
May 05 02:30:30 <la_pianista>	o/
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May 05 02:30:33 <Glass_Soul>	and kinky?
May 05 02:30:50 <wctaiwan>	perhaps.
May 05 02:30:52 <wctaiwan>	o/
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May 05 02:42:05 <Peter-C>	My friend is an idiot
May 05 02:42:15 <Peter-C>	She can have two guys, one for sex and one for mind and she won't do it
May 05 02:42:18 <Peter-C>	SHE IS AN IDIOT
May 05 02:42:27 <Peter-C>	MacMed - do you see my issue with that?
May 05 02:42:30 <Peter-C>	She doesn't >_>
May 05 02:42:38 <Mitchazenia>	:|
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May 05 02:42:48 <Mitchazenia>	This is not Dr. Phil Peter
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May 05 02:43:22 <MacMed>	Peter-C: maybe she doesn't want people thinking she's a slut? :P
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May 05 02:44:51 *	Derrick_Rose force snuggles Peter-C with la_pianista 
May 05 02:45:25 <Peter-C>	MacMed - that is the best part about it
May 05 02:45:28 <la_pianista>	D:
May 05 02:45:39 <Peter-C>	One lives in my town, the other lives in a town 50 miles away
May 05 02:45:51 <MacMed>	do they know about each other?
May 05 02:45:51 <Derrick_Rose>	is the former you? :p
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May 05 02:46:50 <Mono>	Now I know why radio stations are failing
May 05 02:47:12 <Mono>	The slutty songs are getting to me.
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May 05 02:48:54 <Mono>	Ooh...advertising
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May 05 02:49:14 <barts1a>	mmm.... adblock
May 05 02:49:21 *	mikemoral|afk is now known as mikemoral
May 05 02:49:54 <Mono>	barts1a: ON THE RADIO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
May 05 02:50:08 <barts1a>	not on the radio... on the internet
May 05 02:50:20 <barts1a>	if it DID exist for radio and TV I would buy it
May 05 02:50:52 <Mono>	Radio adds are really annoying.
May 05 02:51:02 <Mono>	TV ads can be really good.
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May 05 02:51:29 <Derrick_Rose>	for some reason, there are no ads on the station that I listen to
May 05 02:51:36 *	Mono is now known as Mono[Radio]
May 05 02:51:36 <Derrick_Rose>	I stream it thru iTunes
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May 05 02:51:45 <Mono[Radio]>	ah
May 05 02:51:51 <Mono[Radio]>	lemme try that
May 05 02:51:51 <Nieuclty>	Mono and barts1a, watch [[Minority Report]] and see holographic 3D ads call you out by name. Until then, you haven't scraped the tip of the iceberg.
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May 05 02:52:23 <barts1a>	Mono[Radio] TV ads are usually made to be SHOUTING RIGHT INTO YOUR FACE!
May 05 02:52:24 <NA_0>	someone edited my userpage...
May 05 02:52:29 <Mono[Radio]>	Yeah.
May 05 02:52:44 <barts1a>	that alone discourages me from them
May 05 02:53:11 <Nieuclty>	So if that happens to me, and I'm able to interact with them like people, then I'll tell those ads how I feel about them.
May 05 02:53:16 <barts1a>	that AND they PURPOSLY reduce the dynamic range of ads making them APPEAR louder despite having the same decibal level
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May 05 02:57:00 <Mono[Radio]>	Come on, Apple.
May 05 02:57:06 <Mono[Radio]>	I want my iPad. Now.
May 05 02:57:20 <barts1a>	iPad 2 you mean?
May 05 02:57:36 <Mono[Radio]>	yeah
May 05 02:57:41 *	Mono[Radio] is now known as mono
May 05 02:57:51 <mono>	it's supposed to come the 13th
May 05 02:58:26 <mono>	they sent me the cover before the device; it's sitting next to me
May 05 02:58:29 <barts1a>	I like that they've finally put a dual-core proc into the damn thing
May 05 02:58:42 <barts1a>	well... the cover is clever too\
May 05 02:59:46 <mono>	It works well with my fridge.
May 05 02:59:52 <mono>	But about nothing else.
May 05 03:00:04 <geniice>	!american
May 05 03:00:17 <mono>	geniice: ?
May 05 03:00:28 <geniice>	I need an american
May 05 03:00:58 <mono>	aye
May 05 03:01:05 <matthewrbowker>	geniice: Yes, American here.
May 05 03:01:13 <geniice>	matthewrbowker pm?
May 05 03:01:23 <matthewrbowker>	Sure.
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May 05 03:05:07 <ctjf83>	no one responded on WP:HD, so...== Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0  ==  Does this license [[:File:Blackhawk Hotel in Davenport, Iowa.jpg|like here]], allow for "commercial reuse with modification"? I'm wondering, cause I always look for images to use on a Google search, and the image linked in the last sentence, doesn't come up on a [http://www.google.com/search?as_q=blackhawk+hotel&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1920&bih=965&tbm=
May 05 03:05:25 <Gfoley4>	looking
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May 05 03:05:37 <ctjf83>	thanks
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May 05 03:07:25 <Gfoley4>	hm, I think
May 05 03:07:37 <Gfoley4>	it's CC-BY-SA after all
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May 05 03:07:59 <Gfoley4>	on another note, how is the flooding in Davenport/ the quad cities?
May 05 03:08:05 <geniice>	ctjf83 err yes thats what CC-BY-SA does
May 05 03:08:35 <ctjf83>	it's nearly gone here, thank goodness
May 05 03:08:46 <ctjf83>	so, y  does it not come up on a google search?
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May 05 03:09:11 <Gfoley4>	ask google
May 05 03:09:13 <Gfoley4>	idk
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May 05 03:09:38 <ctjf83>	o, lol
May 05 03:09:50 <ctjf83>	is there a good program i can use to search for free files
May 05 03:11:14 <Gfoley4>	you can try flickr
May 05 03:11:28 <Gfoley4>	there a lot, er.. some, on there
May 05 03:11:34 <geniice>	ctjf83 try http://www.loc.gov/pictures/
May 05 03:12:05 <ctjf83>	ok, thanks guys/gals
May 05 03:12:26 <Guerillero>	CC has a search program
May 05 03:12:37 <Guerillero>	that finds creative commons images
May 05 03:12:53 <Guerillero>	that can be used commercially
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May 05 03:13:27 <geniice>	ctjf83 mostly though I take pics myself
May 05 03:13:41 <Guerillero>	http://search.creativecommons.org/
May 05 03:13:43 <ctjf83>	i do, if it is local, lol
May 05 03:14:16 <geniice>	ctjf83 or there is always the commons search engine http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search
May 05 03:14:44 <ctjf83>	ok, i like all those, thanks
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May 05 03:16:23 <slakr>	lol the spammers/trojaners are getting desperate
May 05 03:16:23 <ctjf83>	Gfoley4, we are only 1 foot over flood stage, instead of nearly 6
May 05 03:16:26 <slakr>	"Sir/Madam,we have logged your IP-address on more than 40 illegal Websites Important: Please answer our questions!The list of questions are attached."
May 05 03:16:31 <slakr>	sent from the "FBI"
May 05 03:16:48 <slakr>	naturally, the attached file is a zip, most likely with a trojan in it
May 05 03:16:59 <Gfoley4>	ctjf83: that's good
May 05 03:17:06 <Gfoley4>	I live an hour from the quad cities
May 05 03:17:09 <barts1a>	Ugh... the FBI scam is up there with the Nigerian fortune as the oldest in the book
May 05 03:17:12 <ctjf83>	very, pain in the ass to go anywhere downtown when it is  hight
May 05 03:17:16 <ctjf83>	oh ya? cool!
May 05 03:17:33 <slakr>	"Running this trojan in linux is not supported."
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May 05 03:17:39 <slakr>	damn.
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May 05 03:18:01 <ctjf83>	oh, B-burg, cool
May 05 03:18:05 <ctjf83>	*G burg
May 05 03:18:06 <Prodego>	running anything in linux is not supported
May 05 03:18:07 <geniice>	slakr see if you can get it to run under wine
May 05 03:18:31 <geniice>	Prodego mediawiki supports linux
May 05 03:18:51 <Prodego>	well technically PHP supports linux
May 05 03:18:52 <slakr>	heh
May 05 03:19:13 <slakr>	well I mean, I've got an xp vm that I exclusively use for testing sketchy things
May 05 03:19:40 <slakr>	it's actually fun to take a snapshot
May 05 03:19:47 <slakr>	then open trojans in a sandbox
May 05 03:20:08 <slakr>	then instead of spending time cleaning them like you'd ahve to do on a physical box
May 05 03:20:21 <slakr>	just revert the snapshot
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May 05 03:21:34 <IceCas>	quick offhand question. Does anybody know the name of the newspaper that has outrageously fake or hoaxy news stories/headlines?
May 05 03:21:58 <slakr>	fox news?
May 05 03:22:01 <IceCas>	I mean like "I WAS ABDUCTED BY ALIENS" or "BIGFOOT SPOTTED AT CALVERT COUNTY GOLF COURSE"
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May 05 03:22:16 <IceCas>	loll i knew someone would make a fox news joke
May 05 03:22:17 <IceCas>	lol
May 05 03:22:17 <Ironholds>	IceCas: National Inquirer, The Sun, take your pick
May 05 03:22:20 <slakr>	national inquirer
May 05 03:22:20 <IceCas>	but no
May 05 03:22:22 <slakr>	yep
May 05 03:22:25 <IceCas>	no no no
May 05 03:22:29 <slakr>	it varies by country
May 05 03:22:38 <IceCas>	it's a black and white newspaper in america usually found in supermarkets
May 05 03:22:50 <slakr>	the onion?
May 05 03:22:53 <IceCas>	i ran across the article once on Wikipedia but forgot the name I havent seen it in years
May 05 03:22:55 <IceCas>	nope
May 05 03:23:01 <slakr>	then no clue
May 05 03:23:10 <slakr>	it'd be a tabloid
May 05 03:23:16 <IceCas>	it was briefly mentioned or caricurtured in Men In Black
May 05 03:23:19 <slakr>	so you could try finding a list of tabloids
May 05 03:23:23 <IceCas>	tit's tabloid like
May 05 03:23:47 <IceCas>	it's*
May 05 03:24:18 <Guerillero>	world news weekly
May 05 03:24:20 <IceCas>	i'll see if i can find it under that and post it
May 05 03:24:22 <IceCas>	yes
May 05 03:24:23 <IceCas>	that is it
May 05 03:24:27 <IceCas>	im sure
May 05 03:24:37 <IceCas>	lemme check real quick tho
May 05 03:24:37 <slakr>	sweet
May 05 03:24:42 <slakr>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid#Supermarket_tabloid
May 05 03:24:48 <slakr>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid#North_America
May 05 03:24:53 <slakr>	those will rattle off names
May 05 03:24:59 <IceCas>	Guerillero, that is spot on
May 05 03:25:01 <IceCas>	Thanks
May 05 03:25:22 <IceCas>	I was googling World News and Weekend News earlier
May 05 03:26:01 <IceCas>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_World_News
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May 05 03:42:30 <Gfoley4>	WTF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Speedy_deletion_of_a_photo
May 05 03:44:10 <MuZemike>	Tell him he's welcome in the United States anytime.
May 05 03:44:49 <Gfoley4>	:)
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May 05 03:46:48 <geniice>	Gfoley4 the bits of canda that understand this new fangled internet thing aparently really hate harper.
May 05 03:47:16 <Gfoley4>	I guess so
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May 05 03:56:19 <Guerillero>	lol
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May 05 03:58:16 <geniice>	Hilary Lloyd harnesses the moving image using video projections and film monitors. She combines the urban environment with small-scale human scenes such as waiters working in a cafe or, as in this case, details of the male anatomy.
May 05 03:58:40 <geniice>	or as it's better known the commons image upload feed
May 05 03:58:48 <barts1a>	LOL!
May 05 03:58:52 *	slakr rimshots
May 05 03:59:21 <geniice>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13283000
May 05 04:00:08 <geniice>	hmm we should try entering the commons image upload feed someone
May 05 04:00:10 <geniice>	sometime
May 05 04:00:34 <topaz>	I object. [[commons:Special:NewFiles]] doesn't contain even one penis at the moment.
May 05 04:00:48 <topaz>	someone is bogarting the cock.
May 05 04:01:50 *	mikemoral is now known as mikemoral|afk
May 05 04:01:57 <geniice>	a phrase probably unique in human history
May 05 04:02:48 <topaz>	the night is young.
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May 05 04:07:38 <geniice>	oh dear.  http://forums.questioningaids.com/showthread.php?p=52900
May 05 04:08:07 <Courcelles>	Penis?  No.  Copyright violations?  Several
May 05 04:09:49 <Guerillero>	thats an off thread
May 05 04:09:53 <Guerillero>	odd*
May 05 04:11:52 <geniice>	well thats AIDs denialism for you. They are very odd people
May 05 04:12:21 <MuZemike>	Don't get me started with that whack.
May 05 04:12:39 <Guerillero>	they debunked peer reviewed sources
May 05 04:12:43 <Guerillero>	lulz
May 05 04:13:34 <MuZemike>	See [[User:KBlott]]
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May 05 04:26:25 <geniice>	and thats pretty much it http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_surviving_veterans_of_World_War_I&diff=427512007&oldid=425632343
May 05 04:26:58 <matthewrbowker>	:(
May 05 04:27:17 <Guerillero>	wow
May 05 04:27:39 <Guerillero>	I have my great gradfather's medals
May 05 04:28:27 <Guerillero>	what becomes of the article when it reaches zero?
May 05 04:29:14 <geniice>	probably redirect to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_last_surviving_World_War_I_veterans_by_country
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May 05 04:36:30 <geniice>	Guerillero it's been discussed on and off for years but eh unless someone does a sweep of british and colonial care homes and turns up some other veterans it looks like we may finaly have to face up to the issue
May 05 04:36:47 <MuZemike>	Oh, fuck the Lakers and your celebrity courtside.
May 05 04:37:21 <geniice>	okeeeey slight change of tone there
May 05 04:37:31 <Guerillero>	slight?
May 05 04:38:57 <Guerillero>	SarekOfVulcan has run into a nasty suprise
May 05 04:39:26 <geniice>	huh?
May 05 04:40:31 <geniice>	oh RFA
May 05 04:40:35 <Guerillero>	yes
May 05 04:41:12 <geniice>	not a fan of reconfirmations
May 05 04:43:01 <Guerillero>	There are beter uses of time
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May 05 04:55:31 <Loki>	!admin
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May 05 04:55:49 <Loki>	XD
May 05 04:55:51 *	Prodego sets mode +r #wikipedia-en
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May 05 04:55:52 <Loki>	kline
May 05 04:55:58 <barts1a>	holy shit... was that a service announcement?
May 05 04:56:05 <matthewrbowker>	Loki: It's the ops that deal with channel spam, not the admins.  Just fyi...
May 05 04:56:06 <Avruch>	apparently not
May 05 04:56:09 <Avruch>	or he wouldn't be klined
May 05 04:56:15 <Courcelles>	What the hell?
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May 05 04:56:22 <matthewrbowker>	barts1a: No, Freenode would use an official means of communication.
May 05 04:56:33 <MuZemike>	I'm an admin, and I'm not an op.
May 05 04:56:36 <Avruch>	like an actual notice
May 05 04:56:44 <Avruch>	Prodego, how'd you kline with just op ;p
May 05 04:56:57 <SpitfireWP>	Avruch, someone else did. Or a bot.
May 05 04:57:05 <Avruch>	ah
May 05 04:57:10 <Prodego>	I'm just that awesome, clearly
May 05 04:57:18 <SpitfireWP>	Hi, by the way, Nathan.
May 05 04:57:20 <Avruch>	thought maybe Prodego had been promoted IRCop ;p
May 05 04:57:25 <Avruch>	hiya SpitfireWP ;-)
May 05 04:57:26 <Loki>	matthewrbowker: Figured all the admins were ops as well
May 05 04:57:33 <SpitfireWP>	Loki, nope.
May 05 04:57:33 <Prodego>	heh, no
May 05 04:57:35 <matthewrbowker>	Prodego just looks at the spam and it disappears.
May 05 04:57:44 <barts1a>	there is a seperate ! ops command
May 05 04:57:46 <Ironholds>	Loki: If that was true, I'd be an op
May 05 04:57:52 <barts1a>	EMERGENCY USE ONLY!
May 05 04:57:57 <Ironholds>	and since Peter-C is still here, we can assume that that is not the case
May 05 04:58:21 <matthewrbowker>	Ironholds: Good point.
May 05 04:59:37 <Loki>	barts1a: no need to yell.
May 05 05:02:25 <Guerillero>	Is this even allowed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretentious
May 05 05:03:30 <barts1a>	It's not offending anybody
May 05 05:05:46 <Guerillero>	true
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May 05 05:20:44 <Courcelles>	Not only is it allowed, it's often the final state of NOTDICT violations that went away only with great difficulty.
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May 05 05:33:06 <Ironholds>	I have a kindle! Life sucks.
May 05 05:33:29 <Ironholds>	it's sods law that I get a kindle packed with free russian literature just before exam season
May 05 05:34:01 <matthewrbowker>	Is this website all right as a source? http://www.reverbnation.com/
May 05 05:34:47 <barts1a>	no. Anyone could register as an "artist"
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May 05 05:35:49 <matthewrbowker>	barts1a: Thanks :)
May 05 05:35:56 <barts1a>	no worries
May 05 05:36:18 <barts1a>	but yeah; self-published sites like that are usually a no-go
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May 05 05:51:21 <matthewrbowker>	Any admins/checkusers that can join us in #wikipedia-en-accounts for a minute?  We may have a sock situation.
May 05 05:51:42 <killiondude>	MuZemike.
May 05 05:52:09 <MuZemike>	We have a sock on that channel?
May 05 05:52:22 <matthewrbowker>	No, in the account request system.
May 05 05:53:13 <killiondude>	There's a "geek" character on a show on tv right now with "Derp" written on his shirt
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May 05 05:54:54 <closedmouth>	yay, IE9 is now a default update
May 05 05:55:46 <Crimedog>	Courcelles: One of your "1 voters" from last year is at REFUND. I was going to send him to your talk page but maybe you can take a look at it here
May 05 05:55:48 <Crimedog>	Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Robert_McCool
May 05 05:56:05 <killiondude>	I saw that IE9 supports border-radius
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May 05 06:38:30 <killiondude>	moop.
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May 05 06:38:47 <Meepsheep>	what is mooop?
May 05 06:38:51 <Meepsheep>	*moop
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May 05 06:51:57 <killiondude>	Salut.
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May 05 07:04:32 <Anna_Frodesiak>	I can't find the answer to this question:
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May 05 07:05:08 <Anna_Frodesiak>	In an AfD, can the initial reason stated at the top be refactored or modified after editors begin adding keeps or deletes?
May 05 07:05:51 <killiondude>	Sure. You might want to make it apparent that it is changed.
May 05 07:05:51 <closedmouth>	i'm sure it can be added to
May 05 07:07:46 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Fair enough. Thank you.
May 05 07:07:55 <Courcelles>	Yes, Anna... the nom can even be stricken entirely
May 05 07:08:01 <closedmouth>	use <s>
May 05 07:08:21 <Courcelles>	(If someone else has voted delete, it can't be closed as nom withdrawn, but the nominator can change their vote like any other user)
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May 05 07:09:06 <sonia>	yeah, <s> is possibly the best idea, not modifying or refactoring original comment
May 05 07:09:24 <sonia>	for transparency's sake.
May 05 07:10:55 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Thank you. Just to let you know, I'm referring to the initial statement made by the nominator.
May 05 07:11:09 *	sonia nods
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May 05 07:13:40 <LUUWDA>	HEY! Who here drives a Bentley?
May 05 07:13:52 <Anna_Frodesiak>	What colour?
May 05 07:13:52 <LUUWDA>	To anyone familiar with it, is this ad real?: http://www.google.com/search?q=bentley+ad&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=843&bih=1054
May 05 07:13:54 <Meepsheep>	Me
May 05 07:14:08 <LUUWDA>	##cars says it was.
May 05 07:14:20 <Anna_Frodesiak>	Am I getting towed???!
May 05 07:14:24 <LUUWDA>	So why doesn't [[Bentley]] have a ==Controversy== section that goes over this ad.
May 05 07:14:32 <killiondude>	Anna_Frodesiak: heh.
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May 05 07:15:16 <killiondude>	LUUWDA: We only provide what third parties say and we also don't want "undue" weight in any specific section.
May 05 07:15:33 <killiondude>	So, in the scope of the entire Bentley history, do you think there should be a section devoted to this?
May 05 07:15:38 <LUUWDA>	And [[Snopes]] doesn't say a darn thing about it.
May 05 07:15:40 <Meepsheep>	I think so
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May 05 07:16:23 *	LUUWDA still doesn't know if that ad was true or photoshopped.
May 05 07:16:34 <killiondude>	ah.
May 05 07:16:36 <killiondude>	Idk.
May 05 07:16:48 <Meepsheep>	I don't think it is photoshopped
May 05 07:17:03 <LUUWDA>	Meepsheep: There must be some article on WP that mentions it then.
May 05 07:17:12 <Meepsheep>	let me see
May 05 07:17:13 <closedmouth>	ignore meepsheep
May 05 07:17:15 <LUUWDA>	And would you back it up with a source removing all doubt?
May 05 07:17:31 <Meepsheep>	PM me
May 05 07:18:34 <LUUWDA>	no, post here. I don't want to see a shocksite.
May 05 07:18:46 <Meepsheep>	???
May 05 07:19:16 <closedmouth>	why would he need to PM you?
May 05 07:19:25 <Meepsheep>	so we can discuss this
May 05 07:19:54 <killiondude>	sounds legit guys
May 05 07:20:10 <LUUWDA>	to trick me?
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May 05 07:32:16 <Meepsheep>	We have resolved the bentley issue
May 05 07:32:43 <killiondude>	amicably?
May 05 07:32:51 <killiondude>	what was the body count
May 05 07:33:45 <Meepsheep>	0
May 05 07:34:18 <closedmouth>	n
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May 05 07:37:41 <Meepsheep>	so, what else is happening on the glorious wikipedia?
May 05 07:39:51 <killiondude>	www.enwp.org/Special:RecentChanges
May 05 07:39:51 <TBloemink>	not much I think
May 05 07:39:52 <Meepsheep>	this edit looks suspicious (diff | hist) . . Bobby Rondinelli‎; 06:37 . . (+3) . . 98.14.101.35 (talk)
May 05 07:39:52 <killiondude>	tell me more
May 05 07:39:52 <Meepsheep>	well, it's an IP edit
May 05 07:39:52 <Meepsheep>	everyone knows IP's are always up to no good
May 05 07:39:52 <closedmouth>	that's true
May 05 07:40:00 <killiondude>	yes, i know
May 05 07:40:00 <Meepsheep>	look, another one! (diff | hist) . . PB&J Otter‎; 06:39 . . (+242) . . 125.237.48.46 (talk)
May 05 07:40:27 <closedmouth>	you should report this to the wikimedia foundation
May 05 07:40:36 <Meepsheep>	and I will
May 05 07:40:36 <killiondude>	at the very least to the local authorities
May 05 07:40:36 <closedmouth>	IPs are making edits?
May 05 07:40:42 <Meepsheep>	but I must first read the article
May 05 07:40:46 <closedmouth>	outrageous
May 05 07:40:48 <Meepsheep>	because I think I remember this show
May 05 07:41:22 <killiondude>	If you are 15 that is likely.
May 05 07:41:57 <Meepsheep>	no, i just recognized the title
May 05 07:43:02 <Meepsheep>	yeah, so does the purple one count as a furry? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/PBJOtter.jpg
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May 05 07:43:56 <closedmouth>	it has fur
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May 05 07:44:08 <Meepsheep>	but do you get an exception for it?
May 05 07:44:16 <Meepsheep>	like crystal?
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May 05 07:44:47 <closedmouth>	the hell are you talking about
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May 05 07:48:19 <Meepsheep>	wait
May 05 07:48:29 <Meepsheep>	why is wikipedia using wikia as a source?
May 05 07:48:44 <Ironholds>	it is?!
May 05 07:48:51 <Meepsheep>	yep
May 05 07:48:56 <sonia>	...
May 05 07:49:07 <Meepsheep>	this is like the blind leading the blind
May 05 07:49:14 <Ironholds>	that's the second stupidest thing I've seen today
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May 05 07:49:42 <sonia>	Ironholds: the first being?
May 05 07:50:44 <Ironholds>	how much I'd have to pay to get a hooker willing to look at me and not scream
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May 05 07:51:59 <Meepsheep>	Why? Do you look like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Jimmy_Wales_Fundraiser_Appeal_edit.jpg
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May 05 07:52:33 <Ironholds>	actually, Jimbo gets massive amounts of pussy thrown his way
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May 05 07:53:15 <Meepsheep>	and then he leaves them via TOW
May 05 07:53:26 <Ironholds>	but no - imagine an unholy combination of Che Guevara, Duane Dibbley and an active warzone, with none of the associated gentility and pleasantness
May 05 07:53:57 <Meepsheep>	so you look like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/RockyDennis.JPG
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May 05 07:55:54 <sonia>	Ironholds: you look fine, shut up kthx
May 05 07:56:39 <Meepsheep>	you don't know what he looks like
May 05 07:56:39 <Ironholds>	Meepsheep: bigger nose and more hair
May 05 07:57:01 <Meepsheep>	ok
May 05 07:57:11 <Meepsheep>	so now we know what he looks like
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May 05 07:58:02 <killiondude>	the more you know
May 05 07:58:11 <sonia>	Meepsheep: I do, as a matter of fact
May 05 07:59:10 <Meepsheep>	Ironholds, with that description I must ask, are you among the wikipedia stoners?
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May 05 07:59:58 <Ironholds>	Meepsheep: the wikipedia stoners?
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May 05 08:00:22 <Meepsheep>	stoners that have nothing better to do than edit wikipedia and get high
May 05 08:00:29 <Ironholds>	I have only ever edited under the influence of sexy women
May 05 08:00:36 <Ironholds>	and never under the influence of drugs
May 05 08:00:47 <Ironholds>	(and no - I'm just finishing off my law degree. In like, 3 hours, actually)
May 05 08:01:07 <Meepsheep>	So you have never used illegal drugs?
May 05 08:01:25 <Meepsheep>	And you are not in the ranks of HighInBC and Bongwarrior?
May 05 08:01:32 <Ironholds>	I have used prescription medication, which is technically illegal in some circumstances
May 05 08:01:34 <Ironholds>	but that's it
May 05 08:02:06 <Meepsheep>	So you have abused prescription medication?
May 05 08:02:15 <Ironholds>	I never abused it!
May 05 08:02:21 <Ironholds>	look at the way it was dressed! It was asking for it.
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May 05 08:02:35 <killiondude>	sbm
May 05 08:02:44 <Ironholds>	sbm?
May 05 08:03:23 <killiondude>	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sbm&defid=5203151
May 05 08:03:45 <killiondude>	TheMoreYouKnow™
May 05 08:03:53 <Ironholds>	oh god, you're on urban dictionary?
May 05 08:03:54 <Ironholds>	sadact
May 05 08:03:57 <Meepsheep>	so wikipedia users make vanity entries on UD
May 05 08:04:25 <killiondude>	so irc users postulate random absurdities
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May 05 08:04:43 <killiondude>	#shocking
May 05 08:05:05 <Meepsheep>	I'm just saying
May 05 08:05:13 <killiondude>	and I wasn't?
May 05 08:05:15 <Meepsheep>	that is in fact a vanity entry
May 05 08:05:18 <killiondude>	How existential.
May 05 08:05:23 <Meepsheep>	which is discouraged on TOW
May 05 08:05:31 <Meepsheep>	but of course that is UD
May 05 08:05:37 <Meepsheep>	which also discourages those
May 05 08:05:48 <Ironholds>	OMG, TLA
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May 05 08:06:15 <killiondude>	IKR
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May 05 08:07:59 <Meepsheep>	btw Ironholds, is it okay if I quote you?
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May 05 08:08:10 <Ironholds>	where and in what context?
May 05 08:08:19 <Meepsheep>	here http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Jimbo_Wales#Jumbo_Penis
May 05 08:08:52 <Ironholds>	naw, I'm good
May 05 08:08:57 <Ironholds>	I really don't need him to hate me right now
May 05 08:09:05 <Meepsheep>	Jimbo?
May 05 08:09:11 <killiondude>	we are on a three strike system with Meepsheep in #wikipedia-en now
May 05 08:09:13 <killiondude>	that was strike one
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May 05 08:09:23 <Ironholds>	killiondude: three strikes? really?
May 05 08:09:27 <Meepsheep>	why did I get a strike?
May 05 08:09:29 <killiondude>	well,
May 05 08:09:30 <Ironholds>	he's just quoted me without permission
May 05 08:09:32 <killiondude>	I was going to clarify
May 05 08:09:41 <killiondude>	the next strike can count as 2 AND 3
May 05 08:09:46 <Ironholds>	works for me
May 05 08:09:58 <Meepsheep>	but why was that last one a strike?
May 05 08:10:08 <Ironholds>	Meepsheep: because I applied for a job at the WMF and even though his role is merely titular (emphasis on "tit") I could do with not pissing everyone off
May 05 08:10:13 <killiondude>	You posted a log publicly before asking permission.
May 05 08:10:17 <Meepsheep>	and why am i on this system in the first place?
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May 05 08:11:06 <Ironholds>	Meepsheep: good question
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May 05 08:11:23 <Meepsheep>	killiondude, why am i on a three strike system?
May 05 08:11:41 <killiondude>	I was waiting for an Ironholds answer.
May 05 08:11:44 <killiondude>	Is one not forthcoming?
May 05 08:12:25 <Ironholds>	killiondude: about what?
May 05 08:12:33 <Ironholds>	oh, you want me to rip him a new one?
May 05 08:12:55 <killiondude>	well I thought that's where you were heading!
May 05 08:12:59 <killiondude>	But you seem to be in a good mood.
May 05 08:13:00 <Ironholds>	oh, sure
May 05 08:13:01 <Ironholds>	hang on
May 05 08:13:05 *	Ironholds scratches head, thinks a bit
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May 05 08:13:25 <Meepsheep>	so this is all because i published that quote?
May 05 08:14:29 <Ironholds>	okay, Meepsheep, you're on this system because *ahem* "you're a lifeless, soulless, dickless, witless, spineless individual who makes up for his own lack of social life or integrity by treating the ridicule of others as the first port of call in correspondence, thereby ensuring that you remain a corpulent unwanted cancer on the scrotum of humanity"
May 05 08:14:43 <Ironholds>	killiondude, good enough? I'm not really with it today - I've spent the last 48 hours happy.
May 05 08:14:49 <Ironholds>	I think it's just jetlag and sleep deprivation
May 05 08:15:30 <killiondude>	Oh, did you just get back?
May 05 08:15:36 <Meepsheep>	can i have permission to publish that quote?
May 05 08:15:37 <killiondude>	How long did you stay in the US? O_O
May 05 08:16:12 <Ironholds>	killiondude: two weeks
May 05 08:16:23 <killiondude>	that's a considerable amount of time
May 05 08:16:28 <Ironholds>	I then went from westchester to JFK to London to Northampton in one burst
May 05 08:16:34 <Ironholds>	which took about 30 hours
May 05 08:16:43 <Ironholds>	and so my sleep cycle is knackered
May 05 08:17:02 <Meepsheep>	Ironholds, you didn't answer my question
May 05 08:17:15 <LauraHale>	Ironholds: Feel your pain.
May 05 08:17:20 *	LauraHale huggles Ironholds
May 05 08:17:30 <Meepsheep>	I need a huggle
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May 05 08:17:45 *	sonia huggles LauraHale huggling Ironholds
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May 05 08:17:55 <killiondude>	if you need a huggle you don't really need one
May 05 08:18:14 <killiondude>	it's like attention
May 05 08:19:13 <Meepsheep>	but isn't attention necessary for a healthy life?
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May 05 08:19:30 <Meepsheep>	even the occasional unneeded attention?
May 05 08:19:31 <sonia>	aye, but those who seek it most are those who have enough
May 05 08:19:35 <Ironholds>	and yet you spend all your time getting attention for a clearly unhealthy life. curious.
May 05 08:19:38 <Ironholds>	sonia: eh, depends
May 05 08:19:50 <sonia>	Ironholds: huge generalization, obv
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May 05 08:19:59 <sonia>	based on the likes of people like my sister
May 05 08:20:08 <Ironholds>	I'm sure your sister is lovely
May 05 08:20:15 <Meepsheep>	She hot?
May 05 08:20:16 <sonia>	she's gorgeous
May 05 08:20:25 <sonia>	and very articulate
May 05 08:20:28 <sonia>	which is the problem :p
May 05 08:20:39 <Meepsheep>	But is she hot?
May 05 08:21:22 <Ironholds>	Meepsheep: if she is, she'd never be interested in you
May 05 08:21:33 <Meepsheep>	most likely not
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May 05 08:21:58 <Meepsheep>	but I am simply trying to inquire if she is immensely physically attractive =
May 05 08:22:08 <Meepsheep>	disregard that "="
May 05 08:22:19 <killiondude>	done
May 05 08:22:30 <Meepsheep>	done with what?
May 05 08:22:34 <Ironholds>	I hate the ICC
May 05 08:22:37 <closedmouth>	your mother
May 05 08:22:40 <killiondude>	I disregarded it.
May 05 08:22:41 <Ironholds>	why do they have to be so useless
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May 05 08:23:15 <sonia>	well, I'm her sister; if I found her irresistibly sexy there might be a slight problem
May 05 08:23:21 <sonia>	especially since she's straight
May 05 08:23:33 <Meepsheep>	sonia, but would I find her attractive?
May 05 08:23:43 <Herodotus>	We've been asking that of closedmouth for a while. Both the hot question and the useless one.
May 05 08:23:58 <Ironholds>	Meepsheep: different strokes for different folks. Sonia can't exactly define someone via your beliefs.
May 05 08:24:17 <sonia>	you probably hook up with toothless hookers, Meepsheep, so I don't think she's your type
May 05 08:24:20 <closedmouth>	http://www.break.com/usercontent/2011/5/3/midget-wrestling-bloopers-2054178
May 05 08:24:39 <Ironholds>	sonia: that's mean!
May 05 08:24:42 <Ironholds>	hookers have standards too
May 05 08:24:48 <Meepsheep>	sonia, if that is true, then I would find her very attractive
May 05 08:24:54 <Meepsheep>	compared to hookers
May 05 08:25:08 <Ironholds>	oh NEAT!
May 05 08:25:10 <Ironholds>	:D
May 05 08:25:13 <Ironholds>	look at today's FA
May 05 08:25:25 <sonia>	heh
May 05 08:25:40 <Ironholds>	I wrote that in 4 days, got it to GA before it hit DYK
May 05 08:25:49 <Meepsheep>	well, meepsheep signing off
May 05 08:25:49 <Ironholds>	and then FA 5 days later
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May 05 08:26:08 <Ironholds>	start-drafting-to-FA-class in 17 days ent bad
May 05 08:26:16 <killiondude>	http://tinyurl.com/5uam8lq
May 05 08:26:18 <killiondude>	http://stuffistolefromtheinternet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/raising-the-dan.jpg
May 05 08:26:21 <killiondude>	I hate my settings.
May 05 08:27:02 *	LauraHale huggles sonia
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May 05 08:30:55 <sonia>	:)
May 05 08:31:26 <Ironholds>	everyone gets huggles but me
May 05 08:31:29 *	Ironholds pulls out his harmonica
May 05 08:32:33 <LauraHale>	mIRC, unlike chatzilla, doesn't put all references to me handily where I can find them.
May 05 08:32:37 *	sonia snorgles the Ironholds
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May 05 08:34:15 <Ironholds>	what is a snorgle?
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May 05 08:34:33 <killiondude>	a pokemon
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May 05 08:36:09 <sonia>	Ironholds: it's a mildly aggressive snuggle
May 05 08:36:16 <Ironholds>	why aggressive?
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May 05 08:36:23 <Ironholds>	what have I ever done to you but give you legal advice? :(
May 05 08:36:53 <sonia>	because you seemed like the kind of person to appreciate slightly violent snuggling
May 05 08:38:32 <Ironholds>	...you've been talking to my ex, haven't you? ;p
May 05 08:39:16 *	sonia neither confirms nor denies this.
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May 05 08:40:00 <Ironholds>	well, if you have, tell her she's a bitch and I hope she gets cat AIDS
May 05 08:41:16 <Ironholds>	and if you have not, avoid her
May 05 08:41:24 <Ironholds>	she's a despicable human being, and that's ME saying that
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May 05 08:45:41 <Ironholds>	sonia: what?
May 05 08:46:37 <Ironholds>	sonia: we dated for five years, from the age of 15. High-school sweethearts, as it were. Then I found out she'd spent those five years cheating on me, lying to me, being jealous of my female friends without ever telling me anything, the whole kit and kaboodle. And I was the one left fucked up. I think I'm fairly justified to wish harm upon her.
May 05 08:46:47 <sonia>	...wow.
May 05 08:47:38 <Ironholds>	and when I say "lying to me"
May 05 08:47:58 <Ironholds>	I mean "when things went bad, she assured me that we'd try our best to fix stuff, then spent 5 months planning how to dump me without saying a word"
May 05 08:48:25 <Ironholds>	it finally came to a head when we were out on a date one day and I went "things are getting better, right?" and she turned to me and went "yup. You know I'm still dumping you, right?"
May 05 08:48:29 <sonia>	that... really sucks.
May 05 08:48:44 <Ironholds>	tiny bit
May 05 08:48:59 <Ironholds>	suprisingly enough, the list of people I trust in the world numbers 3
May 05 08:49:12 <Ironholds>	and the list of people I respect, 7. She kinda screwed me over.
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May 05 08:52:01 <Ironholds>	but hey, water under the bridge
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May 05 10:18:36 <Pesky>	Good grief! All this activity in …… silence ……. lol!
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May 05 10:20:24 *	sonia hugs Pesky.
May 05 10:20:59 *	Pesky does manic wolfly greeting, furry paws around neck, face-wash, waggy tail, etc.
May 05 10:21:20 <sonia>	yaay :)
May 05 10:21:33 *	Pesky is possibly most overtly-friendly wold in all of creation
May 05 10:21:39 <Pesky>	wolf
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May 05 10:22:02 *	Pesky is also su[pposed to be working on de-clutting mother's kitchen ……
May 05 10:22:08 <Pesky>	cluttERing
May 05 10:22:19 <sonia>	Pesky: saw a young woman walking a dog down the road today, looks a lot like a miniature wolf, do you know what breed that might be?
May 05 10:22:35 <Pesky>	Most likely something like a malamute cross-bred
May 05 10:22:54 <Pesky>	I wanted to cross my GSD-type bitch with a malamute or husky, to get pseudo-wolves
May 05 10:23:04 <Pesky>	… but she had to be spayed
May 05 10:23:55 <Pesky>	Sonia: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sugexp=gsih&xhr=t&q=malamute&cp=5&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1652&bih=835
May 05 10:23:58 <Theo10011>	I imagine Huskys are a handful.
May 05 10:24:06 <sonia>	awwwwwww
May 05 10:24:08 *	sonia wants one
May 05 10:24:18 *	sonia is sadly allergic
May 05 10:24:50 <Pesky>	Sonia: you can get desensitised - apparently works pretty well
May 05 10:25:11 <Pesky>	Theo10011: Huskies are OK, but they have to have some real /work/ to do; and their recall is not the best!
May 05 10:25:47 <Pesky>	A real working Husky is tremendously loyal, but you really do have to be a strong pack-leader or you lose their respect
May 05 10:26:11 *	Pesky has to go back to clearing kitchen  now …. back in a bit
May 05 10:26:15 <sonia>	:)
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May 05 11:14:27 <sonia>	anyone have access to back-copies of the Guardian, from c. 1995?
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May 05 11:15:49 <SuchALife>	hello
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May 05 11:38:47 <Qcoder00>	Is it possible to get a list of page that use {{Non-free use rationale}} directly?
May 05 11:39:07 <Qcoder00>	The what links here for the template seems to include pages using various higher level fur
May 05 11:39:15 <Qcoder00>	as well as the direct entires
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May 05 12:06:23 <Pesky>	Qcoder00: I reckon everyone's either asleep of doesn't know the answer - I fall into the latter category :o)
May 05 12:06:32 <Pesky>	or
May 05 12:06:48 <Qcoder00>	Good Morning
May 05 12:06:58 *	Qcoder00 curtsies
May 05 12:07:00 <Qcoder00>	;)
May 05 12:07:02 <Pesky>	�Just turned noon here
May 05 12:07:26 <Qcoder00>	So it did
May 05 12:07:28 <Qcoder00>	Sorry
May 05 12:07:30 <Qcoder00>	:(
May 05 12:07:41 <Pesky>	No probs - still feels like morning, anyway
May 05 12:08:27 <Pesky>	I have to try and rescue a baby tree … the water doesn;t deem to be getting into the root ball.  Poor tree!
May 05 12:09:13 <Pesky>	So I shall plunge a fork into the root ball ……
May 05 12:09:26 <Pesky>	… and leave it slow-soaking for a while
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May 05 12:43:00 <Anna_Frodesiak>	can an AfD nominator make multiple comments (i don't mean responses to comments) among the keep/delete rows?
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May 05 12:54:36 <mabdul>	jea, you can
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May 05 13:57:17 <SirShill>	Hello. I need to ask advice on another editor. I'm feeling harassed by him. It seems to me that this editor is following my edits, just to mark anything I've done with afd. This editor is convinced I am someone else, he vents it to me and on discussion pages. I've also noted that he accuses other users of being the same person. What can I do?
May 05 13:58:20 <Qcoder00>	Tell them to calm down?
May 05 13:58:32 <Qcoder00>	But I'm assuming you've already tried that
May 05 13:58:39 <SirShill>	I did that in Feb. He keeps coming back like a boomerang :)
May 05 14:02:55 <SirShill>	Can I ask someone to checkuser me? Would that help maybe? It's getting very annoying. I mainly hang around design subjects where I can help, but if everything I do is reverted just because it's me doing it then it seems pointless to put the effort in.
May 05 14:03:53 <Qcoder00>	You can request a checkuser to prove you are not the user they claim you are .
May 05 14:04:27 <SirShill>	Great. I thought only admins could do that.
May 05 14:05:58 <SirShill>	Thanks Qcoder00
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May 05 14:06:36 <Qcoder00>	Well you have to request an admin to make the request on your behalf but....
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May 05 14:08:42 <closedmouth>	uh, no, you can't do that
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May 05 14:08:51 <closedmouth>	we don't use checkuser to prove innocence
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May 05 14:13:17 <Qcoder00>	Oh :(
May 05 14:13:20 <Qcoder00>	Sorry
May 05 14:13:35 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: mainly because it's...improbable.
May 05 14:14:01 <Qcoder00>	SirShill: Perhaps you should encourage the person that keeps reverting you to explain why?
May 05 14:14:10 <Ironholds>	think of checkuser as rolling a set of dice. You can put probabiity on certain results, but you can't ever rule *out* any
May 05 14:14:23 <Irish_Eddy>	goed, ik ga weer onderduiken op #cvn-wp-en en #wikipedia-en
May 05 14:15:32 <Qcoder00>	Irish_Eddy: So , how goes the day>
May 05 14:15:33 <Qcoder00>	?
May 05 14:15:59 <Irish_Eddy>	nat too bad
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May 05 14:22:29 <Qcoder00>	Where in the Republic are you?
May 05 14:22:50 <Qcoder00>	Because I was wondering if anyone had taken pictures of peat working railways...
May 05 14:22:52 <Qcoder00>	?
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May 05 14:23:41 <Anna_Frodesiak>	mabdul: thanks
May 05 14:25:35 *	Pesky wakes from snooze ...
May 05 14:25:50 <Pesky>	… thinks: should be mowing the lawn!
May 05 14:26:07 <mabdul>	you're welcome
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May 05 14:30:36 <Hedgehog456>	Hi
May 05 14:30:42 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Pesky tightly
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May 05 14:31:19 <Theo10011>	Good luck OlEnglish, I have no idea what she wants.
May 05 14:31:41 <OlEnglish>	i'm trying..
May 05 14:31:42 <Irish_Eddy>	County Clare
May 05 14:32:33 <Irish_Eddy>	loads of peat around here, but no trains.
May 05 14:33:19 <Irish_Eddy>	But I do have a picture of peat eroding away by the see!
May 05 14:33:50 <Pesky>	Irish_Eddy: you must get some really good peat-bog / wetland plants out there
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May 05 14:36:09 <Irish_Eddy>	nothing to complain indeed :-)
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May 05 15:03:10 <Fenix2>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_Galactica
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May 05 15:11:55 <Fenix2>	*tshirp tshirp tshirp*
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May 05 15:14:49 <closedmouth>	they're  very annoying
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May 05 15:15:23 <Fenix2>	*tshirp tshirp tshirp*
May 05 15:17:11 <Fenix2>	Kerry live. Impressive speech. watch. nao.
May 05 15:17:47 <Fenix2>	Kerry is chairman ? how wai?
May 05 15:18:07 <Theo10011>	Kerry who?
May 05 15:18:12 <Fenix2>	John Kerry
May 05 15:18:16 <Fenix2>	Sen. John Kerry
May 05 15:18:22 <Fenix2>	anyways.. it ended already
May 05 15:18:44 <Fenix2>	Theo10011: The democratic runner in the 2004 elections
May 05 15:18:52 <Theo10011>	meh
May 05 15:19:03 <closedmouth>	the flip-flopper
May 05 15:19:09 <Theo10011>	He hasn't given an impressive speech...........ever.
May 05 15:19:26 <Fenix2>	Back in 2004 I said in #wikipedia that "Clinton 2008" and look it happened
May 05 15:20:01 <closedmouth>	it sure did
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May 05 15:20:54 <Fenix2>	now I say in 2014 Obama has 2 years to implement his changes/improvements with the majority of both houses in Democrat control mmm
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May 05 15:21:02 <Fenix2>	Obama wins 2012
May 05 15:21:08 <Fenix2>	Democrats win 2014
May 05 15:21:20 <Fenix2>	== two years to do his thing
May 05 15:21:43 <Fenix2>	Obama wins is certain
May 05 15:22:03 <Ironholds>	Fenix2, we don't care what you think
May 05 15:22:07 <Fenix2>	Democrats winning in the mid-seasonals not so certain
May 05 15:22:30 <Fenix2>	Ironholds: what do you think about them americans kill Osama dead ?
May 05 15:22:45 <closedmouth>	they sure did
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May 05 15:22:52 <pakaran>	!oversight
May 05 15:22:58 <Ironholds>	Fenix2: I think engaging with you is a waste of time
May 05 15:23:12 <Fenix2>	Does it invoke anything in your hollow, fragile being ?
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May 05 15:23:43 <Theo10011_>	hehe
May 05 15:23:51 <Fenix2>	I mean you're not invulnerable but you usually over cynicize all and every thing Ironholds but inside there's a real human heart
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May 05 15:24:51 <Ironholds>	Fenix2: I'm perfectly aware of my personality
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May 05 15:25:41 <Ironholds>	and no - it involves the fact that you're a drugged-up, mentally unstable soapboxer with poor english-language skills, the common sense of a lemming and all the charisma and sound judgment of a sackful of aborted monkey foetuses.
May 05 15:25:58 <Fenix2>	hehehe P-;
May 05 15:25:58 <Ironholds>	who constantly, endlessly talks, regardless of how often he's told to shut up.
May 05 15:26:29 <Ironholds>	and that's why I'm not engaging with you. Because the day I find you to be a human being worth paying attention to is the day I shove a gun in my mouth and spray a cobain rainbow over the nearest hard surface.
May 05 15:26:41 <Hedgehog456>	harsh.
May 05 15:26:49 <Hedgehog456>	very harsh.
May 05 15:27:11 <Hedgehog456>	in fact, so harsh that...
May 05 15:27:20 *	Hedgehog456 removes brand new trout from case
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May 05 15:27:24 <Herodotus>	The re-use of grave plots in Germany is very common. You or your family rent the plot for a period of 20 to 25 years (the time period varies from state to state). When this time period is up, church or civil authorities approach your family or next of kin concerning a rental renewal. If you have no next of kin, they can’t be found or your relatives elect not to renew the rental, the
May 05 15:27:24 <Herodotus>	plot is reallocated and re-used.
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May 05 15:28:17 <topaz>	that's why we need to go to composting.
May 05 15:28:26 <Hedgehog456>	hmm, why did that sound relevant?
May 05 15:29:25 <Herodotus>	topaz: Yes, apparently they were on the recycling bandwagon before it was cool.
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May 05 15:34:32 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sfan00_IMG#Better_source_request_for_File:Dorothea_Lange_pledge_of_allegiance.jpg - Honestly
May 05 15:34:52 <Qcoder00>	Why is it some people get so annoyed when asked for sourcing?
May 05 15:35:10 <Qcoder00>	If it's a notable image, the sourcing should be easy to find for the uploader
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May 05 15:37:34 <Fenix2>	Ironholds: you're elitist, cynicicst and considered a depressant
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May 05 15:38:44 <Fenix2>	I aim to educate when I edit the 'pedia, not confuse the reader
May 05 15:39:01 <Fenix2>	I'm proper and just and having an another G&T
May 05 15:39:10 <MuZemike>	Awww, but he had such great references...
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May 05 16:07:13 <Haggerlicious>	He.llo
May 05 16:08:23 <Hedgehog456>	Bon.jour
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May 05 16:09:37 <Fenix2>	hola
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May 05 16:13:35 <Fluffernutter>	probably best not to talk to people named Hagger[anything], guys
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May 05 16:14:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	ever
May 05 16:14:14 <[Pmlineditor]>	./nick Pmhagger
May 05 16:14:40 <[Pmlineditor]>	Also, I hate getting pinged by random things :\
May 05 16:15:07 <Fluffernutter>	maybe set your pinger to not ping you on random things?
May 05 16:16:51 <closedmouth>	that was derp
May 05 16:16:59 <closedmouth>	zalgo
May 05 16:17:11 <Fluffernutter>	might have been. might not have been.
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May 05 16:17:21 <closedmouth>	no, it was
May 05 16:17:43 <closedmouth>	montreal IP
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May 05 16:25:39 <Logan_>	Ironholds: you there?
May 05 16:25:45 <Ironholds>	maybe
May 05 16:25:54 <Logan_>	I'm thinking of RFC/U'ing a sysop
May 05 16:26:07 <Logan_>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG
May 05 16:26:19 <Ironholds>	why?
May 05 16:26:32 <Logan_>	He has deleted multiple articles under A7 when they made a claim of importance/significance, and, when people question him, he just says, "Take it to deletion review."
May 05 16:26:54 <Ironholds>	..
May 05 16:26:59 <Ironholds>	okay, give me 20 minutes to get food
May 05 16:27:07 <Ironholds>	and then I will use my Epic Contacts to get the WMF to shout at him
May 05 16:27:13 <Logan_>	heh
May 05 16:27:14 <Ironholds>	okay? :p
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May 05 16:27:29 <Dragonfly6-7>	well, hm
May 05 16:27:30 <Dragonfly6-7>	which ones?
May 05 16:27:33 <Dragonfly6-7>	which articles?
May 05 16:28:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	that "Mob Fandango" thing is "not yet notable"
May 05 16:28:09 <Fluffernutter>	"I am uninterested in having discussions about CSD'd items. Take it to deletion review."
May 05 16:28:14 <Fluffernutter>	awesome
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May 05 16:29:09 <Fluffernutter>	what bug is up the admincorps's ass this week?
May 05 16:29:28 <topaz>	wow man.
May 05 16:29:53 <Logan_>	Dragonfly6-7: ...
May 05 16:30:15 <Hedgehog456>	Fluffernutter: a large, poisonous hornet
May 05 16:30:51 <Logan_>	Ironholds: yes, sure
May 05 16:30:59 <Logan_>	better than an RFC/U?
May 05 16:31:29 <Fluffernutter>	yes, by all means let's do this in an opaque manner rather than a transparent one. surely that's best practice.
May 05 16:31:34 *	Fluffernutter snorts
May 05 16:31:45 <Logan_>	oh, he responded to my decline
May 05 16:31:51 <Logan_>	"Thanks. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:26, 5 May 2011 (UTC)"
May 05 16:31:54 <Logan_>	how nice
May 05 16:32:20 <Logan_>	the exact attitude that I would expect from a sysop /s
May 05 16:32:25 <Dragonfly6-7>	when I delete an article and someone complains, I do try to explain to them
May 05 16:32:37 <Logan_>	Dragonfly6-7: that's good
May 05 16:33:01 <Logan_>	Fluffernutter: haha
May 05 16:33:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	sometimes the explanation is along the lines of "fuck you, I thought I blocked you for that garbage"
May 05 16:33:21 <Dragonfly6-7>	but I do try to explain.
May 05 16:33:51 <Ironholds>	all of you batten down
May 05 16:33:54 *	Logan_ sheds non-sysop tears
May 05 16:33:55 <Ironholds>	I'm going to the chinese takeaway
May 05 16:33:59 <Ironholds>	and then he shall be in trouble
May 05 16:34:09 <Ironholds>	actually, fuck it, I'll poke my Sekret Contactz now
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May 05 16:34:40 <Logan_>	that's the spirit :P
May 05 16:35:35 <Fluffernutter>	seriously, this can't just be handled in an open manner...why?
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May 05 16:35:49 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: short sighted, you are
May 05 16:35:53 <Ironholds>	Logan_: much better
May 05 16:36:06 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: you know how i feel about your behind-the-scenes wrangling
May 05 16:36:06 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: it will be handled in an open manner
May 05 16:36:19 <Logan_>	Ironholds: how so?
May 05 16:36:26 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter; it's not behind the scenes. If the WMF person feels there is a problem, he will talk to them - in a personal, not professional, capacity.
May 05 16:36:46 <Ironholds>	Logan_: RFC/Us with no record of formal dispute resolution beforehand piss everyone off and quickly get shelved
May 05 16:36:58 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: and the reason we need to get thw WMF to swoop down about this, rather than just using regular dispute resolution?
May 05 16:37:10 <Hedgehog456>	^
May 05 16:37:12 <Logan_>	^
May 05 16:37:14 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: again, it's not the WMF, it's a person who happens to work for them
May 05 16:37:24 <Ironholds>	and off the top of my head, "because regular dispute resolution is broken"
May 05 16:37:25 <Hedgehog456>	WMF is bad for you when not taken in moderation.
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May 05 16:37:50 <Logan_>	I opposed SarekOfVulcan's re-RfA :P
May 05 16:37:54 <Fluffernutter>	To the man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. We don't need to bring the foundation in every time someone's an idiot, even if you do have them on speed dial.
May 05 16:38:03 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: again, not the foundation
May 05 16:38:12 <Ironholds>	an admin in their personal capacity who happens to work for the foundation
May 05 16:38:18 <Ironholds>	and you're massively missing the point
May 05 16:38:32 <Logan_>	Ironholds: I'm surprised that you haven't opposed HJ Mitchell's :P
May 05 16:38:43 <Ironholds>	Logan_: based on off-wiki evidence? I'd get thumped in the face
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May 05 16:38:47 <Logan_>	I believe you said that you disliked him in the past
May 05 16:38:52 <Ironholds>	although I might post an awkward question
May 05 16:38:52 <Hedgehog456>	"Sekret Contactz" So much for fairness and transparency.
May 05 16:38:59 <Fluffernutter>	no, i'm really not. you're saying that DR doesn't work, so you're going to short-circuit it with the zomgspeshulperson, because hey, you can
May 05 16:39:03 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: I will poke him, he will do everything aboveboard
May 05 16:39:10 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: I more meant the hammer, nail analogy
May 05 16:39:17 <Logan_>	the TenPoundHammer?
May 05 16:39:34 <Ironholds>	flipping off newbies and acting like a dick is, cumulatively, a nail-class problem
May 05 16:39:41 <Ironholds>	Logan_: no, I like HJ
May 05 16:39:45 <Ironholds>	I just don't trust him
May 05 16:39:49 <Logan_>	ah
May 05 16:39:49 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: you're claiming that you don't think you're using your foundation contacts way more than you need to, just because you have them?
May 05 16:40:08 <Hedgehog456>	Logan_: The TenPoundHammer drives the Nail into the WillyOnWheels :D
May 05 16:40:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	I'll talk to him
May 05 16:40:16 <Logan_>	Hedgehog456: omai :P
May 05 16:40:28 <Logan_>	Dragonfly6-7: on his talk page, por favor
May 05 16:40:31 <Logan_>	I'd like to see his response
May 05 16:40:32 <Hedgehog456>	Must have been painful for ol' Willy
May 05 16:40:33 <Dragonfly6-7>	yes
May 05 16:40:42 <Logan_>	probably just "Thanks"
May 05 16:40:46 <ErrantX>	From the looks of it the Dorman article wouldn't have survived an AFD (meh...) but it wasn't A7 material
May 05 16:40:51 <ErrantX>	by a long stretch
May 05 16:40:58 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: I'm claiming that in this situation, the foundation should be in the loop, that he's not acting *as* a foundation contact, and that everything other than me sending him an email going "hey, look at this" is transparent
May 05 16:40:59 <Logan_>	ErrantX: but of course
May 05 16:41:16 <Logan_>	ErrantX: but articles lacking notability and not necessarily importance/significance do not belong in [[CAT:CSD]]
May 05 16:41:17 <Ironholds>	and if you think that sending someone an email isn't as transparent as on-wiki practise you haven't been around for ong enough
May 05 16:41:54 <wctaiwan>	Ironholds: But one can argue that the only reason the person in question would listen to your contact and not say, you yourself, is because they, ah, happen to work at WMF.
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May 05 16:42:01 <Fluffernutter>	ok, and why is this event important enough to need the foundation in the loop?
May 05 16:42:17 <ErrantX>	Logan, am agreeing :)
May 05 16:42:24 <Fluffernutter>	because it involves CSD and thus, potentially, newbs?
May 05 16:42:36 <wctaiwan>	If they choose to talk to the person personally, as you think they might, it's not going to be out in the open.
May 05 16:42:38 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: because it definitely involves CSD?
May 05 16:42:42 <Ironholds>	wctaiwan: it always is, deary
May 05 16:42:47 <Ironholds>	a message dropped on their talkpage
May 05 16:43:25 <Fluffernutter>	so anything that involves CSD now needs foundation involvement?
May 05 16:43:29 <Logan_>	ErrantX: right :)
May 05 16:43:58 <Logan_>	Fluffernutter: should I respond to him with "You're welcome." ?
May 05 16:44:04 <Logan_>	:P
May 05 16:44:12 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: not at all, but keeping the foundation in the loop of admins-who-may-be-a-problem is always advantageous
May 05 16:44:16 <Ironholds>	as said, it's a cumulative nail problem
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May 05 16:44:56 <Fluffernutter>	Logan_: Well if you left it up to me, I'd say that you should respond, "Ok, thanks for clarifying your position. I have opened an RfC on you [here]." But apparently these days we just wag our willies and call the foundation, instead.
May 05 16:45:23 <Logan_>	ffs
May 05 16:45:35 <Logan_>	he deleted an article that he previously deleted as a speedy with the G4 criterion
May 05 16:45:40 <Logan_>	does he know anything about CSD?
May 05 16:45:45 <wctaiwan>	Ironholds: if the sole purpose is to keep the foundation in the loop, why not just RfC and also contact that sekrit contact of yours?
May 05 16:46:28 <Ironholds>	wctaiwan: because as said, RfC is a dead end
May 05 16:46:36 <Ironholds>	scroll up ;p
May 05 16:46:54 <Ironholds>	I'll probably just handle it myself when I get back from the shops
May 05 16:47:18 <Ironholds>	which will be further away the more you people keep distracting me with interesting conversation ;p
May 05 16:47:19 <OlEnglish>	logan: who?
May 05 16:47:34 <Logan_>	OlEnglish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG
May 05 16:47:49 <Logan_>	i.e. the subject of this entire discussion :P
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May 05 16:49:33 <Ironholds>	Logan_: dropping him a note. Where's the G4 page?
May 05 16:50:03 <Logan_>	Ironholds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG#On_Deletion_of_Ignacio_Valenti_Lacroix
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May 05 16:53:07 <Fluffernutter>	ugh it's freezing in here
May 05 16:53:22 <Ironholds>	ta, Logan_
May 05 16:53:27 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: cue frigid joke
May 05 16:53:32 <Fluffernutter>	fuck off
May 05 16:53:33 <Logan_>	Ironholds: np
May 05 16:53:46 <Logan_>	I just think that such things shouldn't go unnoticed
May 05 16:53:53 <Dragonfly6-7>	Left him a message
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May 05 16:54:26 <Logan_>	Dragonfly6-7: he responded quite uncivilly
May 05 16:54:35 <Logan_>	"Generally, yes"
May 05 16:54:43 <Logan_>	I haven't seen him be nice to a person asking about a deletion once
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May 05 16:58:00 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah wait
May 05 16:58:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	he said
May 05 16:58:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	"Generally, yes, BUT i was aware that this particular user was already uncivil"
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May 05 17:26:02 <duggthe>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/United_States_Capitol_-_west_front.jpg
May 05 17:26:07 <duggthe>	That is one bigass building.
May 05 17:26:54 <Dragonfly6-7>	a big Ass-Building, yes
May 05 17:27:15 *	Fluffernutter takes Dragonfly6-7's hyphen, beats him with it
May 05 17:27:49 <wctaiwan>	O_o
May 05 17:27:53 <wctaiwan>	what violence, oh my
May 05 17:28:01 <Fluffernutter>	i'm a violent sort of person
May 05 17:28:38 <wctaiwan>	http://xkcd.com/37/
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May 05 17:29:59 *	Fluffernutter beats wctaiwan with Dragonfly6-7's hyphen
May 05 17:30:16 <wctaiwan>	ow ow ow it hurts stop stop ow no please stop ow OW
May 05 17:30:19 <wctaiwan>	>_>
May 05 17:30:22 *	Fluffernutter stops
May 05 17:30:27 <wctaiwan>	Thank you.
May 05 17:30:34 <Fluffernutter>	i have popcorn
May 05 17:30:57 <wctaiwan>	usually when you mention a snack item, I steal it. Noticed the pattern yet? :P
May 05 17:31:12 <Fluffernutter>	popcorn has magic powers
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May 05 17:32:04 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: your talk page contains some rather comedic treasure.
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May 05 17:32:46 <Fluffernutter>	anyone speak italian beyond the few words that I do?
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May 05 17:35:04 <Dragonfly6-7>	wctaiwan - quite a lot, yes
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May 05 17:45:56 <Tatsujin>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LastPass has been hacked , change your password kids.
May 05 17:46:05 <Fluffernutter>	WHT
May 05 17:46:15 <Fluffernutter>	link?
May 05 17:49:08 <Fluffernutter>	it's not asking me to change my password; just can't communicate with server
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May 05 17:54:11 <Tatsujin>	http://thenextweb.com/apps/2011/05/05/lastpass-potentially-hacked-users-urged-to-change-master-passwords/
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May 05 18:02:27 <Ironholds>	I return
May 05 18:02:55 *	Jeske_Couriano welcomes Ironholds by doing absolutely nothing but laying on the couch
May 05 18:03:06 <Douche>	and now go away Ironholds.
May 05 18:03:30 <Fluffernutter>	popcorn's gone, Ironholds. You missed out.
May 05 18:03:55 <Douche>	Fluffernutter: <3
May 05 18:03:58 <Douche>	i went to the toy shop
May 05 18:03:59 <Douche>	:P
May 05 18:04:00 <Fluffernutter>	Douche <3
May 05 18:04:07 <Douche>	and it wasn't a sex toy :P
May 05 18:04:27 <Douche>	I bought a Airzooka :P
May 05 18:04:35 *	tommorris has supplies of microwave popcorn
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May 05 18:04:49 <tommorris>	although it is buttery rather than salty
May 05 18:05:45 *	tommorris should probably go vote
May 05 18:05:56 <Ironholds>	tommorris: don't bother
May 05 18:05:58 <Ironholds>	we're going to lose. horribly.
May 05 18:06:06 <Ironholds>	(if we lose by one vote, feel free to punch me)
May 05 18:06:18 <tommorris>	yeah, but I want to tell the tories to fuck off
May 05 18:06:24 <tommorris>	at a local level
May 05 18:06:35 <Douche>	Ironholds: you're voting yes or what
May 05 18:06:36 <Douche>	:)
May 05 18:06:55 <tommorris>	a teacher at my old school is running as a tory
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May 05 18:07:19 <tommorris>	goddamn, they all suck
May 05 18:07:22 <Douche>	Ah ok
May 05 18:07:43 *	tommorris will be voting yes to AV
May 05 18:07:46 <tommorris>	because
May 05 18:07:52 *	tommorris is not a mouth-breathing moron
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May 05 18:08:27 <Guerillero>	what is the big deal about AV
May 05 18:08:43 <tommorris>	it sucks less than FPTP
May 05 18:08:47 <Guerillero>	what party?
May 05 18:08:52 <Jeske_Couriano>	Asshole
May 05 18:08:56 <tommorris>	but it has the distinct downside of not letting the tories win
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May 05 18:09:05 <tommorris>	and so must be opposed
May 05 18:09:24 <tommorris>	basically the no2av campaign's argument works something like this:
May 05 18:09:45 <tommorris>	You, the voter, are a fucking moron. You are too stupid to be able to work out how to write 1, 2, 3 next to names rather than putting an X.
May 05 18:09:51 <tommorris>	To protect you from your own stupidity, vote No.
May 05 18:10:12 <Ironholds>	tommorris: amusingly if the no campaign wins, they will have kinda proven their point about the voters being incredibly stupid
May 05 18:10:25 <tommorris>	yep
May 05 18:10:39 <tommorris>	the other arguments:
May 05 18:10:48 <tommorris>	Vote no to AV because it'll annoy the Liberal Democrats.
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May 05 18:11:02 <tommorris>	And, hey, some cricketers think AV is a bad idea.
May 05 18:11:06 <tommorris>	That's basically it.
May 05 18:11:12 <Guerillero>	the lib dems had good intentions
May 05 18:11:19 <Ironholds>	you forgot "vote no, because it turns out referendums cost money"
May 05 18:11:26 <tommorris>	Oh, and a few extravagant lies and logical fallacies
May 05 18:11:28 <Ironholds>	which is great until you realise that, uhm. the referendum's kinda already happening
May 05 18:11:38 <tommorris>	did you see Tim Gowers' take on that?
May 05 18:11:41 <Ironholds>	voting no will not alter the cost. It'll just make the cost POINTLESS
May 05 18:11:42 <Ironholds>	no?
May 05 18:12:18 <tommorris>	"imagine that a group of friends want to go to the cinema. Some people want to see Avatar, which is the film showing in a single-screen cinema just round the corner. But others are not so sure, so they suggest catching a bus to a large multiplex cinema where there are three films that look promising, one of which is Avatar. This plan is agreed upon, and when they are at the multiplex a discussion ensues about which film to watch. The Avata
May 05 18:12:49 <Dragonfly6-7>	the problem with this metaphor is that people don't need to see the same film
May 05 18:13:17 <Jeske_Couriano>	Did I service this alright? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dribblingscribe#Jason_Dormon
May 05 18:14:22 <Ironholds>	Dragonfly6-7: fine, better example
May 05 18:14:44 <Ironholds>	as to why FPTP is wrong
May 05 18:15:01 <Ironholds>	there are 9 of you. 1 goes to the shops. 2 of you vote to buy smarties, 2 of you vote to buy skittles, 2 vote to buy chocolate bars, 3 vote to make you all eat big bags of shit
May 05 18:15:14 <Ironholds>	6 of you are anti-shit, but hey! Enjoy your faecal chundering
May 05 18:15:48 <Ironholds>	om nom nom poo
May 05 18:16:35 <Guerillero>	ok then...
May 05 18:17:04 <Fluffernutter>	..
May 05 18:17:13 <Ironholds>	and that's why AV is broken
May 05 18:17:25 <Dragonfly6-7>	I remember seeing that there's a mathematical proof of all possible electoral systems being broken
May 05 18:17:25 <Ironholds>	because big bags of shit scream WE HAVE A DEMOCRATIC MANDATE and force themselves down our throats
May 05 18:17:30 <Dragonfly6-7>	or something like that
May 05 18:17:36 <Ironholds>	Dragonfly6-7: of course, fool
May 05 18:17:41 <Ironholds>	but some are more broken than others
May 05 18:17:51 <Ironholds>	personally I think my voting system is perfect
May 05 18:17:59 <Dragonfly6-7>	You get the vote.
May 05 18:18:02 <Dragonfly6-7>	and that's it.
May 05 18:18:03 <Dragonfly6-7>	yes?
May 05 18:18:05 <Theo10011>	Its all shits and giggles until Ironholds shows up.
May 05 18:18:06 <Ironholds>	correct
May 05 18:18:11 <Dragonfly6-7>	that's the Vetinari system
May 05 18:18:13 <Ironholds>	stable government, 100 percent of votes taken into account
May 05 18:18:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	"One Man, One Vote. I am the One Man."
May 05 18:18:41 <Jeske_Couriano>	"Bill of Rights? Who needs a Bill of Rights?! I'm Bill, and I'm right!"
May 05 18:20:57 <Dragonfly6-7>	okay, fuckit. I've just restored [[Jason Dormon]].
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May 05 18:23:45 <tommorris>	I'd vote for any electoral reform more likely to make parties like [[Church of the Militant Elvis Party]].
May 05 18:23:59 <Jeske_Couriano>	Dragonfly) Bum deletion?
May 05 18:26:19 <tommorris>	wow, the Monster Raving Looney Party actually got seats on a town council in Ashburton, Devon
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May 05 18:28:02 <Guerillero>	why the hell do people vote for [[Church of the Militant Elvis Party]] ?
May 05 18:28:45 <Dragonfly6-7>	Jeske_Couriano - read it.
May 05 18:29:29 <Jeske_Couriano>	One sec, busy at [[WT:User page]] dealing with flack over the N0rp MfD a month or two back
May 05 18:32:10 <Jeske_Couriano>	...That's one of the better sourced articles I've seen as of late.
May 05 18:33:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	Jeske_Couriano - although, check the earliest versions
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May 05 18:33:56 <Jeske_Couriano>	Sheesh
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May 05 19:03:46 <Fluffernutter>	ooh, rerun of the SG-1 pilot
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May 05 19:05:17 <nobody1>	hi, there is a big infobox in a (little) article. It is always open. How can I "hide" the infobox?
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May 05 19:06:23 <nobody1>	!ops  hi, there is a big infobox in a (little) article. It is always open. How can I "hide" the infobox?
May 05 19:09:14 <Guerillero>	umm
May 05 19:11:02 <StevenW>	Hiding infoboxes is not really built into them
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May 05 19:23:14 *	derp tacklehugs Hedgehog456
May 05 19:23:21 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 05 19:23:38 <Hedgehog456>	I have an online community to nurture and love!
May 05 19:24:01 <derp>	:o
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May 05 19:25:24 <Hedgehog456>	I would like to invite you all to...
May 05 19:25:33 *	Hedgehog456 unveils curtain
May 05 19:25:35 *	Hedgehog456 gasps
May 05 19:25:41 <Hedgehog456>	It has been stolen!
May 05 19:25:46 <Hedgehog456>	:P
May 05 19:25:55 *	Hedgehog456 dials 999-SCOOBY-999
May 05 19:27:19 <BarkingFish>	the Mystery machine turns up. Shaggy is heading on 70, Fred's a skeleton, Scooby got put down last month and Velma and Daphne look like a pair of washed up madame's.
May 05 19:28:37 <Hedgehog456>	Urgh, wrong era!
May 05 19:28:44 *	Hedgehog456 dials 555-SCOOBY-555
May 05 19:29:23 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 05 19:29:34 <Hedgehog456>	I LOL'ed at that
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May 05 19:34:41 <Fluffernutter>	ewww
May 05 19:34:50 *	Fluffernutter throws derp against the wall
May 05 19:34:53 *	derp is at work :P
May 05 19:35:31 *	Fluffernutter couldn't get herself out of bed this morning and is working from home
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May 05 19:37:01 *	Hedgehog456 wants to invite everyone to his website
May 05 19:39:03 <Hedgehog456>	Anyone listening?
May 05 19:39:19 <Hedgehog456>	Anyone there?
May 05 19:39:50 <Dragonfly6-7>	Blah
May 05 19:39:56 <Dragonfly6-7>	your website is bad and you are bad
May 05 19:40:16 <Hedgehog456>	;(
May 05 19:40:25 <Hedgehog456>	You haven't even seen it yet
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May 05 19:40:55 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: !
May 05 19:40:59 <Hedgehog456>	Wait a sec
May 05 19:41:05 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Pesky tightly
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May 05 19:42:15 *	Hedgehog456 defenestrates Dragonfly6-7
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May 05 19:56:17 <geniice>	salutations and raise a glass of Mead to wikipedia
May 05 19:57:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	404
May 05 19:57:41 <Dragonfly6-7>	Mead not found
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May 05 19:58:10 <Hedgehog456>	403
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May 05 19:58:24 <Hedgehog456>	It's MY wine cellar!
May 05 19:59:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's your own fault for having a cask of Amontillado and a wheelbarrow full of bricks
May 05 19:59:21 *	Fluffernutter calls Hedgehog456's parents to see if they know he's boozing
May 05 19:59:24 <Fluffernutter>	lol Dragonfly6-7
May 05 19:59:38 <Hedgehog456>	I don't drink
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May 05 19:59:58 <Hedgehog456>	I just sell it to politicians
May 05 20:00:15 <Hedgehog456>	Joking :P
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May 05 20:04:51 <ZT>	[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James William Middleton]] aka Return of Wikipedia. Apparently the deletes are slowly becoming more and more and the usual fanboyism has been reduced to comments like "Keep he'll be notable in the future"
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May 05 20:06:37 <ZT>	Dragonfly6-7: could you delete [[Hard Time for Hardcore Porn]]?
May 05 20:06:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	.......... awww?
May 05 20:07:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's SO WONDERFULLY NOTABLE!
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May 05 20:07:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh wait, that's not what I thought it was
May 05 20:07:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	yeah
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May 05 20:08:37 <Dragonfly6-7>	Gone.
May 05 20:09:10 <Hedgehog456>	Publish it to Deletionpedia.
May 05 20:09:13 <Hedgehog456>	:P
May 05 20:10:24 <Guerillero>	lol
May 05 20:10:44 <Logan_>	Ironholds: how did it go?
May 05 20:11:46 <ZT>	[[Parallel Backbone]] why do we have a tag that allows essays about class projects to remain undeleted?
May 05 20:12:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	We don't.
May 05 20:12:42 <Dragonfly6-7>	wait, let me check
May 05 20:13:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	okay
May 05 20:13:14 <ZT>	[[Template:New user article LSU]]
May 05 20:13:31 <Dragonfly6-7>	leave her a message explaining that you've moved it into her userspace
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May 05 20:13:33 <Dragonfly6-7>	with no redirect
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May 05 20:14:46 <Jeske_Couriano>	"[Jon309] I confess this account is also mine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dahliarose So you can tag the account to Random account 39949472."
May 05 20:14:57 <Jeske_Couriano>	Just appeared in #wikipedia-en-help
May 05 20:14:59 <geniice>	zee problem is royalty is one area where notability is inherited
May 05 20:15:21 <ZT>	James Middleton isn't even a member of the royal family
May 05 20:15:25 <tommorris>	"Notability isn't inherited!"
May 05 20:15:29 <tommorris>	"Oh yes it is!"
May 05 20:15:37 *	tommorris has voted
May 05 20:15:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	Jeske_Couriano - could be someone fucking around
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May 05 20:16:35 <geniice>	tommorris	indeed so have I. Yes to AV because I always vote for the losing side
May 05 20:17:06 <tommorris>	there were only two candidates in my area running for district council.
May 05 20:17:10 <tommorris>	finally a race where FPTP works!
May 05 20:17:28 *	tommorris voted yes to AV and for the Labour candidate rather than Conservative
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May 05 20:18:14 <geniice>	we had three candidates. I have no idea what any of them stood for and don't greatly care
May 05 20:19:01 <ZT>	[[Bao Qi]] simply unacceptable* the user is too bored to even write half a sentence so he asks from the community to translate his article
May 05 20:19:02 *	tommorris doesn't vote for Tories on principle so simply expressed them as a second preference by not putting an 'X' next to the Tory's name
May 05 20:19:11 <foks>	boom
May 05 20:19:18 *	foks is now known as foks|vaek
May 05 20:19:45 <foks|vaek>	Wait, England had their council elections yes?
May 05 20:19:50 <tommorris>	yes
May 05 20:19:54 <foks|vaek>	We had our MSP elections
May 05 20:19:58 <foks|vaek>	My first ever vote
May 05 20:19:59 <Guerillero>	Is Choyoo????hí:Seb az86556's post sarcasm? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Otto_Middleton
May 05 20:20:00 <foks|vaek>	:3
May 05 20:20:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	ZT - well, honestly, there's fuck-all that can be written about such a five-year-old child.
May 05 20:21:03 <Dragonfly6-7>	I made it into a redirect
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May 05 20:23:26 <tommorris>	oh man, "the level of debate on the alternative vote has been about the same level as you have with your dog when training it to shit outside" - John Oliver
May 05 20:23:52 <foks|vaek>	hahahaha
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May 05 20:24:50 <tommorris>	"the debate has been scummier than an ill-attended pond" - John Oliver
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May 05 20:29:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	hello, Doh5678
May 05 20:29:53 <geniice>	we had a debate?
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May 05 20:30:04 <geniice>	hitler would have opposed AV
May 05 20:30:27 <geniice>	stalin always spoke fondly of the FPTP system
May 05 20:30:42 <tommorris>	didn't you see Cameron's "AV isn't British!" posters. That qualifies as debate, even from an Eton boy.
May 05 20:30:46 <geniice>	Mao was more terrified of AV than anything else
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May 05 20:31:26 <geniice>	North korea uses the FPTP system (true actualy)
May 05 20:31:49 <geniice>	tommorris no I didn't see them
May 05 20:32:01 <tommorris>	the winning argument is: the Conservative Party used a form of AV to select Cameron, so he could campaign against AV. Fail.
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May 05 20:32:53 <geniice>	the wikimedia foundation regards AV as too symplustic
May 05 20:33:07 <geniice>	simplistic
May 05 20:33:26 <tommorris>	AfD and RfA uses a form of deliberative democracy, which is actually preferable in some ways
May 05 20:33:46 <geniice>	it doesn't scale
May 05 20:33:55 <geniice>	no when we hold actualy elections we tend to use the Schulze method
May 05 20:34:01 <geniice>	at foundation level
May 05 20:34:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	geniice - North Korea uses the "First Past The Post Gets Shot" system
May 05 20:34:25 <geniice>	Dragonfly6-7 there are three political parties in north korea
May 05 20:34:35 <tommorris>	ooh, havent heard of the Schulze method
May 05 20:34:37 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method
May 05 20:34:39 <tommorris>	it uses directed graphs! yay!
May 05 20:34:56 <geniice>	err it's how we elect board memebers
May 05 20:35:20 *	tommorris goes and explains graph theory to the No2AVers, watches their brains explode and frees Britain from the tyranny of idiots.
May 05 20:36:03 <geniice>	wikipedia even has voting method nerds
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May 05 20:36:55 <geniice>	on an intellectual level I can understand the appeal of trying to find the perfect voting system but I'm going to leave the heavy lifting to other people
May 05 20:37:04 *	Dragonfly6-7 squints
May 05 20:37:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	I could have sworn you said "the heavy killing"
May 05 20:37:17 <Dragonfly6-7>	geniice - re: political parties in north korea:
May 05 20:37:20 <Dragonfly6-7>	HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
May 05 20:37:48 <geniice>	hey we have articles on them
May 05 20:38:49 <Dragonfly6-7>	o minor political parties exist but are legally bound to accept the ruling role of the WPK.[3] Elections occur only in single-candidate races where the candidate has been selected by the WPK beforehand
May 05 20:39:01 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chondoist_Chongu_Party
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May 05 20:39:42 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Social_Democratic_Party
May 05 20:40:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	It conducts no activities except for those directed by the government and takes no independent positions on any political matters
May 05 20:40:23 <Dragonfly6-7>	the party remains under the control of the Workers Party of Korea.[2]
May 05 20:40:36 <geniice>	indeed
May 05 20:40:50 <geniice>	and yet we have 13 articles on elections in north korea
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May 05 20:41:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	well, yes. They do have a parliament.
May 05 20:41:32 <geniice>	most blatent abuse of Infobox Election ever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_parliamentary_election,_2009
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May 05 20:43:03 <alyxuk>	hahaha
May 05 20:43:06 <alyxuk>	thats so good, geniice
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May 05 20:44:01 <ctjf83>	where is the page about not putting awards won by people in the lead?
May 05 20:44:08 <ZT>	as if there is a Korean Social Democratic Party...
May 05 20:44:17 <Logan_>	Fluffernutter: that sysop is in a lot of fecal matter, for the lack of a better euphemism
May 05 20:44:42 <alyxuk>	i find it bizarre they actually bother having an election..
May 05 20:44:49 <Fluffernutter>	what, because Philippe descended?
May 05 20:45:24 <Fluffernutter>	philippe doesn't have any actual power over him unless he wants to get hissownself in shit
May 05 20:45:24 <Logan_>	yeah
May 05 20:45:52 <Logan_>	also, Ponyo attacked him for an A7
May 05 20:46:15 <Logan_>	same with SarekOfVulcan
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May 05 20:49:43 <tommorris>	what the fuck is going on at RfA?
May 05 20:50:12 *	Fluffernutter looks
May 05 20:50:21 <Fluffernutter>	I see the same two RFAs that have been up all wek
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May 05 20:50:24 <tommorris>	SarekOfVulcan and HJ Mitchell re-running
May 05 20:50:29 <tommorris>	I hadn't looked for a while
May 05 20:50:31 <Fluffernutter>	recomfirmation RFAs
May 05 20:50:34 <Fluffernutter>	they happen
May 05 20:51:05 <tommorris>	meh. I should probably vote for HJ. Every interaction I've had with him has been positive.
May 05 20:51:14 <Fluffernutter>	hm, the pendulum has swung against SoV since last time i checked the page
May 05 20:51:33 <tommorris>	heh. one of the neutrals on HJ's:
May 05 20:51:40 <tommorris>	"Redirect to User talk:HJ Mitchell."
May 05 20:51:49 <Guerillero>	SOV is getting burnt
May 05 20:52:29 <Fluffernutter>	i'm finding it interesting to see the "cowboy admin" attitude actually getting smacked fown
May 05 20:52:30 <Fluffernutter>	*down
May 05 20:53:22 <Guerillero>	thats the term I used...
May 05 20:53:24 <LauraHale>	tommorris: The dash thing?
May 05 20:53:56 <foks>	"blocking editors I perceived (occasionally inaccurately) as disruptiv"
May 05 20:53:57 <LauraHale>	The vote appeared to be "Figure it out dudes as this will be awful if you really push for it."
May 05 20:53:58 <foks>	+e
May 05 20:54:21 <Fluffernutter>	i am actually kind of encouraged by this. *If* more admins would do reconfirmations *and* the voters could largely stay neutral regarding "waah he's a poopyhead"...reconfirmations could work
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May 05 20:54:57 <LauraHale>	Oh, RfA is not request for arbitrtation.
May 05 20:55:14 <LauraHale>	Blah.  So confused.
May 05 20:55:15 <tommorris>	that makes sense
May 05 20:55:29 <tommorris>	sorry, I was thinking: there's an admin being reconfirmed for issues related to dashes?! ;-)
May 05 20:55:36 <Fluffernutter>	heh
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May 05 20:56:37 <tommorris>	hmm, not sure what I think about reconfirmations
May 05 20:56:53 <tommorris>	a better process for desysopping or a formalisation of reconfirmation might be better
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May 05 20:57:13 <Fluffernutter>	there are a lot of ways they could go wrong. I'm pleasantly surprised that so far, these mostly haven't
May 05 20:57:50 <geniice>	Fluffernutter however I have no plans on doing a reconfirmation this size of hell starting to sell bulk shipments of liquid helium
May 05 20:58:23 <Fluffernutter>	geniice: and that's why reconfirmations haven't "taken" so far
May 05 20:59:02 <Fluffernutter>	a combination of (perfectly valid) "admins who take correct, controversial action will get stomped," and (less valid) "nuh-UH, you can't make me!"
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May 05 21:02:09 <geniice>	oh it's not the big controversial action. It's the nitpicking to death
May 05 21:02:36 <geniice>	although I have to say there is nothing like running as a former admin to make sure no one looks at your edit history too closely
May 05 21:03:15 <derp>	Okay
May 05 21:03:15 <derp>	work is done!
May 05 21:03:16 <derp>	yay!
May 05 21:04:11 <derp>	Commute time <3
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May 05 21:16:47 <Fluffernutter>	Logan_: hee, did you see his replies just now?
May 05 21:17:03 *	Logan_ looks
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May 05 21:17:36 <Logan_>	what an asshole
May 05 21:17:59 <Fluffernutter>	this isn't going to end well, but at least it will provide amusement for those of us watching from the sidelines
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May 05 21:18:07 <Logan_>	ffs
May 05 21:18:21 <Logan_>	somebody asked him about an A7, and he said, "Please read the notability guides."
May 05 21:18:26 <Logan_>	he's an idiot.  seriously.
May 05 21:18:33 <DespatcheOW>	wha
May 05 21:18:40 <foks>	?
May 05 21:18:45 <thrashout>	My fav wiki rule is "ignore all rules" <3
May 05 21:18:53 <DespatcheOW>	^
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May 05 21:19:16 <Fluffernutter>	people whose favorite rule is IAR seem to end up in hot water fairly often
May 05 21:19:27 <foks>	my fav wiki rule is "overlink" lol
May 05 21:19:33 *	Qcoder00 is now known as Guest67428
May 05 21:19:33 <thrashout>	lol Fluffernutter, very true :">
May 05 21:19:38 <Guest67428>	Why is it some people have an 'attitutde PROBLEM' when it comes to image sourcing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GiacomoReturned#File_source_problem_with_File:Hannah_de_Rothschild.jpg
May 05 21:19:43 <Guest67428>	Image has no source
May 05 21:19:45 <Logan_>	Fluffernutter: I think his favorite rule is IAC
May 05 21:19:47 <Guest67428>	Gets tagged
May 05 21:19:50 <Logan_>	"Ignore all civility"
May 05 21:19:53 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 05 21:19:56 <Guest67428>	User that tagged it gets called a retard
May 05 21:20:14 <DespatcheOW>	what
May 05 21:20:14 <Guest67428>	for Folloeing policy
May 05 21:20:18 <Guest67428>	*for following polocy
May 05 21:20:19 <Fluffernutter>	Logan_: he has a point that he's not being actively abusive to other editors. He's just agressively not getting it.
May 05 21:20:21 <Guest67428>	*policy
May 05 21:20:27 <Fluffernutter>	Giano? Is that you?
May 05 21:20:42 <Guest67428>	It's me Sfan00_IMG
May 05 21:20:45 <Logan_>	Guest67428: that really shouldn't have been a no source
May 05 21:20:49 <Logan_>	plus, identify
May 05 21:21:04 <Guest67428>	LOgan_: Read the file description page
May 05 21:21:08 <Guest67428>	It did not have a source
May 05 21:21:11 *	Logan_ already did
May 05 21:21:23 <Logan_>	it's a 120-year-old photograph
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May 05 21:21:31 <thrashout>	reductio ad hitlerum
May 05 21:21:34 <Logan_>	it doesn't really need a source
May 05 21:21:34 <thrashout>	:))
May 05 21:21:45 <foks>	I always picture Giano as Jabba the Hut
May 05 21:21:49 <Logan_>	heh
May 05 21:21:50 <thrashout>	heh
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May 05 21:22:03 <Guest43191>	Logan_:  So it's acceptable to have unsourced images merleey because they are obviously PD by age?
May 05 21:22:03 <foks>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GiacomoReturned#for_your_amusement only compounds this
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May 05 21:22:20 <Osama_Win_Laden>	ALALALALALALALALALALALALA
May 05 21:22:24 <Logan_>	!ops
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May 05 21:22:41 <Fluffernutter>	ooookay then
May 05 21:22:41 <foks>	Is that not Glass_Arm etc
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May 05 21:22:51 <Osama_Win_Laden>	Of course itzs glass arm
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May 05 21:23:05 <Fluffernutter>	ffs
May 05 21:23:07 *	kibble is too fast for slakr.
May 05 21:23:07 <Qcoder00>	Logan: OK So you think ALL old PD images should not be tagged as no source?
May 05 21:23:08 *	slakr was pwned
May 05 21:23:10 <Logan_>	kibble: danke
May 05 21:23:13 <TBloemink>	lol kibble, how did you do that so fast?
May 05 21:23:13 <kibble>	np
May 05 21:23:22 *	Fluffernutter pwns slakr
May 05 21:23:22 <kibble>	TBloemink, script. :-)
May 05 21:23:23 <Qcoder00>	Logan_: Just so that it's clear?
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May 05 21:23:27 <TBloemink>	ah, mirc
May 05 21:23:28 <TBloemink>	?
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May 05 21:23:34 <DespatcheOW>	merk
May 05 21:23:41 <DespatcheOW>	gonna just pronounce it like that from now on
May 05 21:23:46 <kibble>	TBloemink, nope, xchat.
May 05 21:23:48 <Logan_>	Qcoder00: why would I want all old PD images tagged as no source?  that completely goes against what I just said
May 05 21:23:51 <DespatcheOW>	yes!
May 05 21:23:54 <DespatcheOW>	a blow for xchat
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May 05 21:23:59 <Narodnik>	[[Special:Contributions/Guest005]] ...ok then.
May 05 21:24:01 <Fluffernutter>	does anyone actually say "em-I-R-C," Despatche?
May 05 21:24:08 <DespatcheOW>	uh
May 05 21:24:10 <DespatcheOW>	lots of people
May 05 21:24:15 <Fluffernutter>	hum. that seems like a waste of speech energy
May 05 21:24:16 <Qcoder00>	Logan_:  Read what I actually said
May 05 21:24:16 <topaz>	I do, but I try not to say it at all
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May 05 21:24:21 <kibble>	Fluffernutter, I say it like em-I-R-C.
May 05 21:24:24 <Logan_>	"OK So you think ALL old PD images should not be tagged as no source?"
May 05 21:24:32 <DespatcheOW>	of course it'd be better to just say "ecks-chat" but no
May 05 21:24:32 <Logan_>	wait, damn
May 05 21:24:38 <Logan_>	double-negative fail
May 05 21:24:38 <slakr>	"merk"
May 05 21:24:39 <Fluffernutter>	kibble: but...it's so much less effort to say "mirc"
May 05 21:24:45 <topaz>	my father insists on pronouncing "URL" as "earl".  makes me twitch uncontrollably.
May 05 21:24:52 <slakr>	like one of the lesser known irc clients, pirch ("perk")
May 05 21:25:03 <thrashout>	lol
May 05 21:25:11 <kibble>	I also hate "aim" instead of "A-I-M".
May 05 21:25:11 <DespatcheOW>	never heard of that
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May 05 21:25:18 <Krimpet>	Eye are ess ess eye.
May 05 21:25:18 <Logan_>	Qcoder00: not when they're obviously PD
May 05 21:25:21 <Fluffernutter>	kibble: i can agree with that one. It's definitely a-i-m.
May 05 21:25:22 <Giano_II>	hello
May 05 21:25:24 <DespatcheOW>	never thought of earl, always thought of aim
May 05 21:25:24 <Giano_II>	I am Giano
May 05 21:25:25 <TenPoundHammer>	anyone wanna take a look at an AFD for me?
May 05 21:25:29 <slakr>	but yeah, I call it "em eye arrr see" depending on the mood :P
May 05 21:25:40 <Qcoder00>	But without the sourcing how can you be sure they are PD?
May 05 21:25:45 <DespatcheOW>	aim is just subconcious, and it might have even been intended
May 05 21:25:49 <DespatcheOW>	sorry :S
May 05 21:25:52 <TenPoundHammer>	anyone wanna take a look at an AFD for me? I  think the nominator is assuming bad faith.
May 05 21:25:59 <TenPoundHammer>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Laura_Bryna_%282nd_nomination%29
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May 05 21:26:11 <Krimpet>	And the proper term is AOL® Instant Messenger℠.
May 05 21:26:16 <Qcoder00>	I also get annoyed when people can't even seem to comprimise by adding a simple Source= Old photogrpah - true sourcing unknown
May 05 21:26:18 <TenPoundHammer>	Anyone? Hello?
May 05 21:26:18 <Headbomb|Laptop>	PSA: J-Pop and K-Pop are blights on humanity
May 05 21:26:33 <Krimpet>	Not ™, mind you; ℠.
May 05 21:26:38 <TenPoundHammer>	LISTEN TO ME DAMN IT.
May 05 21:26:41 <foks>	Why hasn't Off2riorob been indef'd yet
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May 05 21:26:52 <jean65001>	hello
May 05 21:26:56 <Qcoder00>	It wouldn't be a problem is Commons wasn't so pedantic....
May 05 21:26:56 <Fluffernutter>	Krimpet: how do you pronounce ® ?
May 05 21:26:57 <slakr>	TenPoundHammer: if people don't want to respond to canvasses, then leave them alone :P
May 05 21:26:58 <Qcoder00>	*if
May 05 21:27:05 <jean65001>	!admin
May 05 21:27:08 <Gfoley4>	Fluffernutter: R
May 05 21:27:10 <Thehelpfulone>	jean65001: hi?
May 05 21:27:12 <slakr>	jean65001:  ?
May 05 21:27:13 <Gfoley4>	jean65001: ?
May 05 21:27:20 <jean65001>	need help
May 05 21:27:23 <Thehelpfulone>	what with?
May 05 21:27:27 <jean65001>	my ip is blosked
May 05 21:27:29 <Krimpet>	Fluffernutter, "Registered Trademark," of course.
May 05 21:27:30 <StevenW>	TenPoundHammer: I'd say it's probably going to be kept, so no need to talk about whether it's made in bad faith or not
May 05 21:27:31 <foks>	Elaboration would be nice
May 05 21:27:34 <jean65001>	blocked
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May 05 21:27:40 <jean65001>	but i have create an account
May 05 21:27:50 <DespatcheOW>	what is going on here anymore
May 05 21:28:07 <Logan_>	jean65001: congrats?
May 05 21:28:09 <slakr>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalBlockList/88.161.100.184
May 05 21:28:10 <foks>	i am 12 and what is this
May 05 21:28:13 <slakr>	it appears to be a tor exit node.
May 05 21:28:18 <Qcoder00>	Logan_:: Compromise - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hannah_de_Rothschild.jpg
May 05 21:28:25 <jean65001>	yes
May 05 21:28:29 <jean65001>	i had tor before
May 05 21:28:34 <jean65001>	but i had stopped
May 05 21:28:39 <KimiNewt>	you "had" her?
May 05 21:28:44 <jean65001>	and now i have an account
May 05 21:28:48 <jean65001>	wiki
May 05 21:28:53 <slakr>	the best thing is to contact the blocking admin
May 05 21:28:55 <slakr>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao
May 05 21:28:59 <Logan_>	jean65001: again, what is your point?
May 05 21:29:06 <jean65001>	but the problem is that is not connect
May 05 21:29:11 <jean65001>	he is afk
May 05 21:29:19 <jean65001>	yesterday a french admin has unblock me
May 05 21:29:28 <jean65001>	but only for fr wiki not for en wiki
May 05 21:29:33 <Qcoder00>	Logan_: Also if a long term contributor can;t cope with a simple sourcing request....
May 05 21:29:46 <Qcoder00>	.. It make me wonder about other things on the project :(
May 05 21:29:48 <Logan_>	Qcoder00: DTTR
May 05 21:30:12 <Qcoder00>	The regulars should know better ;)
May 05 21:30:12 <Gfoley4>	nou
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May 05 21:30:18 <Qcoder00>	But point considered
May 05 21:30:21 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: your mom
May 05 21:30:28 <Fluffernutter>	i feel the love
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May 05 21:30:40 <Logan_>	Fluffernutter: always
May 05 21:30:42 <Thehelpfulone>	are you sure you were unblocked on fr wiki?
May 05 21:30:53 <Thehelpfulone>	http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Journal&type=gblblock&page=User%3A88.161.100.184&month=-1 -> doesn't seem to be unblocked?
May 05 21:30:53 <jean65001>	logan?
May 05 21:30:58 <Logan_>	jean65001?
May 05 21:31:02 <jean65001>	you are admin?
May 05 21:31:04 <Logan_>	I wish
May 05 21:31:16 <Gfoley4>	jean65001: there are many in the room, yes
May 05 21:31:16 <jean65001>	who is admin here???
May 05 21:31:17 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eustachy_Stanislaw_Sanguszko_(1842-1903).jpg - Tagging this as no source - GOT a source added :)
May 05 21:31:28 <jean65001>	i need an admin
May 05 21:31:37 <Logan_>	jean65001: /join #wikipedia-en-unblock
May 05 21:31:38 <Gfoley4>	*sigh*
May 05 21:31:43 <Logan_>	that is the channel for unblocking requests
May 05 21:31:56 <Krimpet>	He needs a steward. It's a global block.
May 05 21:32:07 <jean65001>	ok but i dont know hot to make it?? for join?
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May 05 21:32:23 <Fluffernutter>	hm. Should I put on clothes and go to Burger King, put on clothes and go to McDonalds, or stay in my pajamas and continue to whine about having no food?
May 05 21:32:31 <TenPoundHammer>	heh
May 05 21:33:09 <Logan_>	jean65001: click #wikipedia-en-unblock
May 05 21:33:24 <TenPoundHammer>	Foks: Posted to ANI.
May 05 21:33:24 <Gfoley4>	jean65001: is ther
May 05 21:33:29 <Gfoley4>	e
May 05 21:33:32 <Qcoder00>	Anyone here read Cyrillic script?
May 05 21:33:36 <TenPoundHammer>	no
May 05 21:33:48 <Fluffernutter>	no
May 05 21:33:53 <Qcoder00>	http://www.sergekot.com/podgorcy/ - It might help resolve the sourcing on another image?
May 05 21:33:59 <Logan_>	TenPoundHammer: omai
May 05 21:34:38 <TenPoundHammer>	foks,poke
May 05 21:34:39 <Logan_>	for some reason I thought that Off2riorob already had his AfD privileges revoked
May 05 21:34:57 *	FAdmArcher|away is now known as FAdmArcher
May 05 21:35:28 <foks>	TenPoundHammer, what?
May 05 21:35:33 <foks>	I heard you the first time
May 05 21:35:34 <foks>	:P
May 05 21:35:41 <DespatcheOW>	Fluffernutter: today I'm going to ignore the third option and flip a coin for the other two, haha
May 05 21:36:10 <Fluffernutter>	Despatche: Oh, or I could put on clothes and go to Wendy's. My life is very difficult, with these decisions.
May 05 21:36:40 <DespatcheOW>	some sort of :V spam goes here
May 05 21:36:47 <TenPoundHammer>	we need a wendy's around here.
May 05 21:36:58 <geniice>	Fluffernutter you could eat something other than fast food
May 05 21:37:01 <Qcoder00>	Logan_:  OK
May 05 21:37:09 <Fluffernutter>	geniice: i haven't got the energy to make anything for myself
May 05 21:37:11 <Qcoder00>	I've left a compromise wording and a {{bsr}}
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May 05 21:37:23 <Logan_>	how does {{bsr}} apply there?
May 05 21:37:28 <Qcoder00>	Do you want me to start checking other no-source images for a simmilar situation?
May 05 21:37:32 <Logan_>	it doesn't link to anything
May 05 21:37:55 <Qcoder00>	Logan_:  If you know of a tag that suggests the image needs better sourcing that isn't BSR , please suggest it?
May 05 21:37:57 <geniice>	Fluffernutter ah so Pot Noodle time
May 05 21:38:04 <Fluffernutter>	got none of that, geniice
May 05 21:38:10 <Fluffernutter>	I have some frozen leftovers but i don't want them
May 05 21:38:19 <Logan_>	Qcoder00: meh
May 05 21:38:26 <geniice>	well no they don't sell it in the US
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May 05 21:38:57 <Qcoder00>	Logan_: Can I speak to you in PM?
May 05 21:39:00 <Fluffernutter>	geniice: well, i was assuming you meant ramen and/or cup of noodles, which as i understand it are the american analog
May 05 21:39:01 <Qcoder00>	I need some help
May 05 21:39:09 <Logan_>	Qcoder00: sure
May 05 21:39:10 <geniice>	pretty much
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May 05 21:39:17 <Qcoder00>	Logan_: OK
May 05 21:39:49 <Fluffernutter>	i guess i could make hamburger helper. But really i want crappy meat, fake bacon, and greasy fries
May 05 21:40:56 *	MuZemike went to Jersey Mike's Subs for the first time today
May 05 21:41:04 <Gfoley4>	McDonalds is your place then, Fluffernutter =)
May 05 21:41:13 <geniice>	ah time to hit the local chippy
May 05 21:41:36 <Fluffernutter>	for some reason i want burger king instead
May 05 21:41:42 <Fluffernutter>	which, i never eat burger king
May 05 21:42:26 <DespatcheOW>	that's a good situation
May 05 21:43:00 <geniice>	hmm poor tom morris. Such a lonely twitter hashtag http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23yes2schulzemethod
May 05 21:43:05 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds made me eat there a few times while he was here, though, and it seems to have grown on me
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May 05 21:44:16 <DespatcheOW>	slightly related: #wp-en, tell me about you and mello yello
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May 05 21:44:22 <tommorris>	geniice: heheh
May 05 21:44:43 <Jeske_Couriano>	DespatcheOW) I'm Ooey Blooey
May 05 21:45:02 <tommorris>	to be fair, I'm only in favour of the Schulze method because it'd be funny to watch tabloid readers brains asplode when they try to understand directed graphs
May 05 21:45:21 <MuZemike>	Let my friend Ernest P. Worrell tell you about Mello Yello: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP0lwxjaOAE
May 05 21:45:28 <MuZemike>	*late friend
May 05 21:45:47 <geniice>	tommorris in fairness most wikipedians don't understand it either
May 05 21:45:57 *	tommorris stays on the scene, gets up, feels like being a sex machine
May 05 21:46:00 <TenPoundHammer>	Jeske_Couriano, you're what?
May 05 21:46:01 <MuZemike>	ArbCom election again?
May 05 21:46:17 <Logan_>	MuZemike: really?
May 05 21:46:18 <Logan_>	awesome
May 05 21:46:22 <geniice>	MuZemike no. We use the Schulze for board elections
May 05 21:46:30 <MuZemike>	Oh, that's right
May 05 21:47:11 <MuZemike>	Hell, us "wiki-peons" can't even understand what "consensus" means half the time, let alone "majority vote" or "Schulze method".
May 05 21:47:32 <tommorris>	It's simple. Consensus means you agree with me.
May 05 21:47:47 <Gfoley4>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:184.100.24.239 :|
May 05 21:48:04 <tommorris>	I'm watching the interview with James Brown drunk on TV
May 05 21:48:07 <MuZemike>	*sigh*
May 05 21:48:17 <MuZemike>	Not classy
May 05 21:48:29 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method#Example
May 05 21:48:30 <MuZemike>	[[User:Bobak]] OTOH, does it right
May 05 21:49:33 <MuZemike>	And if people can't (or in some cases won't) understand something, that is equivalent to a black box.
May 05 21:49:34 *	Ironholds has quit ()
May 05 21:49:48 <DespatcheOW>	e.g. EA Black Box
May 05 21:49:51 <DespatcheOW>	err
May 05 21:50:06 <MuZemike>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shareece_Wright&diff=prev&oldid=426689328
May 05 21:51:03 <MuZemike>	lol, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.167.157.226&diff=prev&oldid=411920232
May 05 21:51:36 <MuZemike>	Ah, here we go, "teh block": http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:204.169.21.130&diff=prev&oldid=411635977
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May 05 21:52:32 <Pakaran>	at some point, i'd be tempted to make a phone call or email to the school principal, identifying myself as a "senior administrator", and pointing out some of what their students have been doing on wikipedia
May 05 21:52:34 <Qcoder00>	Anyone have a Car combination tool to hand?
May 05 21:52:49 <tommorris>	Pakaran: I've done that before. It's quite amusing.
May 05 21:53:19 <Pakaran>	tommorris, did you get a reply?
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May 05 21:53:22 <tommorris>	I phoned
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May 05 21:53:23 <tommorris>	so yes
May 05 21:53:41 <Pakaran>	what did they say?
May 05 21:53:53 <tommorris>	result: a vandal got a telling off from the school principle for some vandalism which got revdelled
May 05 21:54:02 <Pakaran>	nice
May 05 21:54:11 <tommorris>	principal rather
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May 05 21:54:51 *	MuZemike knows a few school principals
May 05 21:54:53 <topaz>	well, or possibly he was blowing smoke up your ass. :-)
May 05 21:55:12 <TenPoundHammer>	odd place to blow smoke
May 05 21:55:30 <topaz>	is it sunshine that gets blown up one's ass?  I always get this wrong.
May 05 21:55:47 <Fluffernutter>	sunshine is hard to blow
May 05 21:56:02 <DespatcheOW>	this may be why I try not to edit wikipedia at school...
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May 05 21:56:03 <MuZemike>	Stupid Cubs fans: http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/9afe010c-99b3-4511-ac28-3c14d3c45b44.gif
May 05 21:56:21 <Pakaran>	[[tobacco smoke enema]]
May 05 21:56:29 <Pakaran>	it was an actual victorian medical treatment
May 05 21:56:45 <Pakaran>	apparently the stimulant effect could in some cases awaken people who fainted
May 05 21:57:07 <TenPoundHammer>	o.o
May 05 21:57:14 <TenPoundHammer>	and they stopped because people were getting ass cancer
May 05 21:57:17 <Fluffernutter>	haha
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May 05 21:57:20 <DespatcheOW>	hahaha
May 05 21:57:22 <tommorris>	wha?
May 05 21:57:44 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:
May 05 21:57:48 <Qcoder00>	Can I ask a question?
May 05 21:58:06 <Qcoder00>	Why is it some users get annoyed by a simple notification that an image is unsourced?
May 05 21:58:25 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GiacomoReturned#File_source_problem_with_File:Hannah_de_Rothschild.jpg
May 05 21:58:38 <Logan_>	you asked that alread
May 05 21:58:40 <Logan_>	y
May 05 21:58:46 <Qcoder00>	I am getting some nasty comments for following what I thought was policy
May 05 21:58:48 <DespatcheOW>	it should be obvious
May 05 21:59:00 *	tommorris is too busy to answer as he's watching videos of cracked out people on YouTube
May 05 21:59:06 <TenPoundHammer>	and I've got some dumbass who thinks that there's no way an artist can be notable unless they charted.
May 05 21:59:19 *	Fluffernutter takes away tommorris's crack
May 05 21:59:19 <Qcoder00>	If it's no policy that old image should not be tagged even if they lack a source, then please so say
May 05 21:59:23 <Qcoder00>	*now
May 05 21:59:36 <Qcoder00>	So I can start looking through what's tagged and detagging appropriately
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May 05 21:59:41 <DespatcheOW>	is it actually policy, though
May 05 21:59:42 <Qcoder00>	en-masse
May 05 21:59:44 <DespatcheOW>	I've not read it all
May 05 21:59:44 <MuZemike>	Speaking of cracked out: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/epic-fail-photos-probably-bad-news-he-was-crack-a-lackin.jpg
May 05 21:59:47 <DespatcheOW>	can you point it out
May 05 21:59:59 <DespatcheOW>	perhaps there's a specific clause for PD images somewhere
May 05 22:00:08 <Qcoder00>	DespatcheOW: My understanding was that ALL images, even ones tagged as PD needed to have a source
May 05 22:00:18 <DespatcheOW>	policy link?
May 05 22:00:38 <MuZemike>	It needs to be verified that it's PD at least.
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May 05 22:00:53 <Qcoder00>	DespatcheOW:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy
May 05 22:00:56 <Qcoder00>	for starters
May 05 22:01:03 <MuZemike>	If so, why is it not on Commons?
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May 05 22:01:14 <Qcoder00>	MuZemike: It was tagged as KeepLocal
May 05 22:01:24 <geniice>	More than half of parents do not think sex education should be taught to children in school from a young age, a survey suggests.
May 05 22:01:26 <geniice>	Of 1,700 parents of UK 5-11 year olds surveyed by the BabyChild website, 59% said they disagreed with the practice.
May 05 22:01:28 <DespatcheOW>	okay
May 05 22:01:29 <geniice>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-13292133
May 05 22:01:30 <Qcoder00>	And a duplicate does exist on Commons, also unsourced
May 05 22:01:33 <geniice>	oh dear
May 05 22:01:38 <MuZemike>	Why? So that no other wiki can use it?
May 05 22:01:40 <DespatcheOW>	you put down the public domain tag, poof
May 05 22:01:48 <DespatcheOW>	why are these people taking issue
May 05 22:02:03 <DespatcheOW>	there's anti, then there's this
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May 05 22:02:43 <Qcoder00>	DespatcheOW : There is a minority of users on Wikipedia, that apparently think that because an image has been untouched for a while and because it was uploaded by a  respected contirbutor
May 05 22:02:43 <DespatcheOW>	though that's obviously not the issue
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May 05 22:02:46 <DespatcheOW>	what did you do
May 05 22:02:56 <Qcoder00>	that somehow it should be considered more carefully than other uploads
May 05 22:03:15 <Qcoder00>	DepatcheOW, Tagged an image that was PD-Old for not having a source?
May 05 22:03:20 <Qcoder00>	(which it didn't)
May 05 22:03:27 <Qcoder00>	I then get yelled at
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May 05 22:03:36 <Qcoder00>	For not seeing that it was obviously PD
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May 05 22:03:45 <Qcoder00>	( Which was never in dispute)
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May 05 22:03:56 <Logan_>	!ops join/part spam
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May 05 22:04:14 <Logan_>	Thehelpfulone: fail :P
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May 05 22:04:32 <FAdmArcher>	*sigh*
May 05 22:04:36 <stwalkerster>	Thehelpfulone: might have been more appropriate to forwardban to ##fix_your_connection :P
May 05 22:04:45 <Logan_>	stwalkerster: that is definitely not a connection problem
May 05 22:04:48 <Qcoder00>	Is there some rule that  obvious PD-old is immune from sourcing requriements of image policy?
May 05 22:04:50 <Thehelpfulone>	oops the script failed :P
May 05 22:04:59 <Logan_>	stwalkerster: he was joining and leaving the channel on purpose
May 05 22:05:08 <Logan_>	that cannot be caused by a network problem
May 05 22:05:13 <FAdmArcher>	Thehelpfulone: actually hold on, that might be another spammer we had earlier
May 05 22:05:19 <Logan_>	FAdmArcher: it was
May 05 22:05:20 <Thehelpfulone>	ok
May 05 22:05:21 <Logan_>	Osama_Win_Laden
May 05 22:05:23 <Logan_>	he was quieted
May 05 22:05:24 <stwalkerster>	point, it was a JOIN/PART cycle, not a JOIN/QUIT cycle, my mistake :P
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May 05 22:05:27 <FAdmArcher>	ya ^^
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May 05 22:05:42 <Logan_>	Thehelpfulone: he's back
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May 05 22:05:55 <Logan_>	ban the nick too
May 05 22:06:03 <Logan_>	imo
May 05 22:06:15 <Hedgehog456>	Glass_(bodypart)!*@*
May 05 22:06:21 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usgreatseal.png - for example -  US Government Image  is all that can be said
May 05 22:06:28 <Logan_>	Qcoder00: drop it
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May 05 22:06:33 <Qcoder00>	Which isn't a 'useful' source for other people to verify
May 05 22:06:38 <DespatcheOW>	I don't even freaking know what's going on here... better for me to just ignore it
May 05 22:06:39 <Qcoder00>	Logan_: Why?
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May 05 22:06:55 <Qcoder00>	It;'s a polocy issue I'd like clarification on
May 05 22:06:57 <Logan_>	Qcoder00: because you're being annoying, and I already told you to stay away from no source tags
May 05 22:07:13 <Qcoder00>	Logan_: I'm sorry, but you don't control what can be dissuced here
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May 05 22:07:39 <Logan_>	*discussed
May 05 22:07:41 <Qcoder00>	And I'd liike to know why I am being actively denied from editing in good faith
May 05 22:07:56 <topaz>	Qcoder00: what goal are you trying to achieve?
May 05 22:08:12 <Qcoder00>	topaz: I am getting angry messages about having tagged an image for no source
May 05 22:08:34 <topaz>	right. What goal are you trying to achieve by the tagging you're doing?
May 05 22:08:50 <Qcoder00>	topaz: Trying to ensure that ll images meet image usage policy
May 05 22:08:59 <Qcoder00>	So that they can be moved to Commons  etc
May 05 22:09:24 <topaz>	what would happen if this image were not tagged?
May 05 22:09:48 <Qcoder00>	topaz:  It's unsoruced, so it doesn't meet image policy
May 05 22:09:54 <Qcoder00>	(and thus might get tagged by others)
May 05 22:10:19 <Qcoder00>	It was my understanding that images needed a source for verification
May 05 22:10:24 <topaz>	so it might stay on Wikipedia, or someone else might tag it for deletion (which would have the same effect as what you just did)
May 05 22:10:30 <FAdmArcher>	actually I have a better idea for that ban
May 05 22:10:38 <topaz>	how does it benefit the project to delete that image?
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May 05 22:10:44 <Qcoder00>	I got yelled at for tagging it because it was obivously PD
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May 05 22:10:58 <Qcoder00>	topaz: Hmm
May 05 22:11:06 <DespatcheOW>	what is pocketirc
May 05 22:11:15 <DespatcheOW>	oh pocketpc
May 05 22:11:18 <Qcoder00>	Having unsourced images around makes it harder for other users to be sure it's actually under the license concerned
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May 05 22:11:35 <topaz>	so what?
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May 05 22:11:46 <Qcoder00>	I'm not disputing the actual statuis... It's obvious that it's old
May 05 22:11:57 <topaz>	if another user actually has a concern about that image, they can always bring it up
May 05 22:12:15 <Qcoder00>	topaz:  True
May 05 22:12:19 *	Douche is inside the bus and tethering to his iPhone :)
May 05 22:12:24 <Logan_>	FAdmArcher: eh...
May 05 22:12:27 <topaz>	it seems as though you're tagging images in order to meet policy for the sake of policy, not because there's an actual issue
May 05 22:12:30 <Logan_>	there could be other users connecting with that client
May 05 22:12:40 <topaz>	and I'm suggesting that that doesn't benefit the project.
May 05 22:12:50 <Logan_>	FAdmArcher: and that client might have that as the default username
May 05 22:12:53 <Qcoder00>	But I don;t like the fact that I am once again being subjected to a form of 'active denial' of cleanup efforts because of a difference of opinion
May 05 22:13:01 <FAdmArcher>	Logan_: Yep, I think were good for now, I will leave it for a few hours only
May 05 22:13:06 <Logan_>	mmkay
May 05 22:13:10 <Qcoder00>	rather than because there an actual objection on mis-application
May 05 22:13:24 <topaz>	how about being discouraged from engaging in disruptive behavior?
May 05 22:13:35 <Qcoder00>	topaz:  Cleanup efforts are not dirsuptive
May 05 22:13:35 <topaz>	I think you're perilously close to [[WP:POINT]], frankly.
May 05 22:13:44 <topaz>	the way you follow them, they are.
May 05 22:13:58 <Qcoder00>	topaz: Then I would aks you to apologise for a false assumption
May 05 22:14:06 <DespatcheOW>	the venom was uncalled for but easily handled
May 05 22:14:07 <Qcoder00>	*ask
May 05 22:14:36 <Qcoder00>	topaz: I don't  randomly massacre tag
May 05 22:14:49 <Qcoder00>	And I've tried to be very careful in what I tag
May 05 22:15:13 <topaz>	then surely there is a simple explanation for tagging [[File:Hannah de Rothschild.jpg]]?
May 05 22:15:23 <Qcoder00>	topaz: It was unsourced
May 05 22:15:24 <topaz>	something other than "that's what policy says"?
May 05 22:15:29 <topaz>	right.
May 05 22:15:33 <topaz>	[[WP:POINT]]
May 05 22:15:46 <Qcoder00>	topaz: Application of policy is not POINT
May 05 22:15:57 <Qcoder00>	And you would agree that before it got tagged the image was unsourced?
May 05 22:16:08 <topaz>	sure.
May 05 22:16:10 <Qcoder00>	If you want to bring POINT into it?
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May 05 22:16:34 <topaz>	and moreover I'm saying that for that image, sourcing is at best a minor concern.
May 05 22:16:44 <MuZemike>	Remember? Maintaining the encyclopedia is disruptive.
May 05 22:16:51 <DespatcheOW>	^
May 05 22:17:12 <MuZemike>	Just like clearing backlog on Wikipedia is disruptive.
May 05 22:17:17 <Qcoder00>	I could start actively  replacing di-no sources with BSR's and  Broadly worded sources like  'US Government image' or  'Digital repropduction of public domain' work?
May 05 22:17:23 <Qcoder00>	If yu think that would be helpful?
May 05 22:17:53 <Qcoder00>	I dislike deletions
May 05 22:17:53 <topaz>	I don't know what BSR is.
May 05 22:17:57 <Qcoder00>	I really do
May 05 22:18:04 <Qcoder00>	BSR - {{Bsr}}
May 05 22:18:09 <Qcoder00>	Better source request?
May 05 22:18:14 <topaz>	thanks.
May 05 22:18:23 <Hedgehog456>	Bye
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May 05 22:18:48 <Qcoder00>	In fact I've said in the past that perhaps CSD's for images should be phased out and replaced with something more like FFD for all images
May 05 22:18:53 <Qcoder00>	Granted this might be more time consuming
May 05 22:19:04 <Qcoder00>	but it would avoid silly arguments
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May 05 22:19:38 <Qcoder00>	about application of policy for policy sake as a human would still be involved
May 05 22:20:12 <topaz>	humans are involved in CSD nominations and deletions too, they're just discouraged from thinking much about the issue
May 05 22:20:18 <Qcoder00>	IN any event images tagged as no-source don't get deleted for 7 days giving other contributors a chance to fix the issue
May 05 22:20:53 <Qcoder00>	And I've noted in the past that sometimes, having left less obvious tags , NOTHING happened, whereas  putting a CSD 'got something done'
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May 05 22:21:23 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usgreatseal.png - I've put to a comproimise wording
May 05 22:21:33 <Qcoder00>	Would you like me to continue in that vien?
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May 05 22:21:42 <topaz>	I'm just wondering if you're trying to do something that materially improves the encyclopedia with this, but your work doesn't seem to be motivated by anything but "because policy says so"
May 05 22:22:31 <Qcoder00>	topaz:  Are you saying I'm mis-applying policy?
May 05 22:22:51 <topaz>	I'm saying that you're missing the forest for the trees.
May 05 22:23:12 <topaz>	I'm saying that a touch of [[WP:IAR]] here might do you a world of good
May 05 22:23:25 <Qcoder00>	topaz: Hmm
May 05 22:23:56 <Qcoder00>	When I tagged a load of 'obviously PD' but confsuingly sourced for Comons, (which was why I was trying to get images cleaned up)
May 05 22:24:08 <Logan_>	slakr: you there?
May 05 22:24:15 <topaz>	it's not at all clear to me that PD images require source information. maybe they do (so that PD status can be clearly established). Maybe they don't. In really unambiguous cases like this, it seems clearly irrelevant.
May 05 22:24:24 <Qcoder00>	I got yelled at by people on Commons, for allowing images that didn't meet policy through to Commons
May 05 22:24:26 <topaz>	which makes me wonder why you continue pursuing it.
May 05 22:24:46 <Qcoder00>	If Commons wasn't at times so pedantic about stuff , there would be less rows
May 05 22:24:47 <topaz>	Qcoder00: I try not to engage people on Commons more than necessary.
May 05 22:25:03 <topaz>	now *that* we can agree on.
May 05 22:25:22 <Qcoder00>	There would also be less rows if ALL 'free' images were uploaded SOLELY to Commons
May 05 22:25:34 <Qcoder00>	So that there was ONE set of policy to deal with
May 05 22:25:38 <Qcoder00>	Instead of at least 5
May 05 22:26:06 <Qcoder00>	I'd also STRONGLY be inf avour of getting rid of KeepLocal
May 05 22:26:24 <Qcoder00>	Free image -> Commons,  Fair use -> Local
May 05 22:26:49 <DespatcheOW>	may as well post this for you
May 05 22:26:52 <DespatcheOW>	"A Man who has been brought up among Books, and is able to talk of nothing else, is what we call a Pedant. But, methinks, we should enlarge the Title, and give it to every one that does not know how to think out of his Profession and particular way of Life."
May 05 22:27:01 <Gfoley4>	Qcoder00: there was a recent TFD
May 05 22:27:06 <Gfoley4>	closed as keep
May 05 22:27:07 <Qcoder00>	and clarLink?
May 05 22:27:10 <Gfoley4>	I believe
May 05 22:27:13 <Qcoder00>	:(
May 05 22:27:15 <Qcoder00>	Hmm
May 05 22:27:16 <Qcoder00>	OK
May 05 22:27:18 <Qcoder00>	Right
May 05 22:27:30 <Qcoder00>	It's clear I'm not going to make progress
May 05 22:27:33 <Qcoder00>	So
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May 05 22:27:55 <Qcoder00>	Does anyone here want to review recent efforts at cleanup by Sfan00_IMG?
May 05 22:28:11 <Qcoder00>	Just to confirm i'm not actully  incomptent?
May 05 22:28:32 <MuZemike>	Or a bot?
May 05 22:28:42 <MuZemike>	Or an incompetent bot?
May 05 22:28:46 <Qcoder00>	LOL
May 05 22:28:53 <Qcoder00>	I'm not a bot
May 05 22:29:01 <Qcoder00>	Even if I seem to do a lot of editing ;)
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May 05 22:29:51 <Qcoder00>	Also I'd in some instance been using  {{add-author-I}} request to uploaders as opposed to doing no-source CSD's
May 05 22:30:02 <MuZemike>	What? Everyone else tends to think you're a bot :-p
May 05 22:30:28 <Qcoder00>	MuZemike:  I do sometimes use TWINKLE and FURME to 'help'
May 05 22:30:36 <Qcoder00>	but I am not a bot doing hispeed automatatic editing
May 05 22:31:16 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Photo-of-frozen-lake-in-winter.jpg  - Is an example of an image that would by some others get tagged as no-source , but I didn't
May 05 22:31:23 <Qcoder00>	because I wasn;t sure
May 05 22:31:43 <Qcoder00>	There are others like it, mainly from befroe 2005 or so when Image poliocy was less stringent
May 05 22:32:16 <Qcoder00>	Another question?  Is there a cut-off date for when current image policy doesn't apply?
May 05 22:32:25 <Qcoder00>	And when images can be trated less stringently?
May 05 22:33:07 <MuZemike>	Oh, then policy must be wrong, and we must go back to before 2005. </sarcasm>
May 05 22:33:57 <MuZemike>	Back when you could do whatever you wanted.
May 05 22:34:09 <geniice>	cleaning up the early stuff is an ongoing process
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May 05 22:34:28 <MuZemike>	Back to when it was OK to say that John Siegenthaler conspired to kill Kennedy.
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May 05 22:34:47 <Qcoder00>	geniice: Which I seem to get 'denied' from assisting with when I try to help ...
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May 05 22:35:13 <MuZemike>	Back when you could have a completely unsourced Featured Article.
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May 05 22:35:27 <Qcoder00>	Not actively banned, but denied due to intimidatory pressure from some contriobutorrs questioning my  ability, comptence, sanity etc...
May 05 22:35:34 <MuZemike>	...on some Pokemon that nobody would give two shits about.
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May 05 22:35:37 <Qcoder00>	Sometimes I wonder myself
May 05 22:35:43 <geniice>	Qcoder00 it's an area that needs to be handled with tact
May 05 22:35:51 <Qcoder00>	Which I've tried to do
May 05 22:36:00 <geniice>	you templated the regulars
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May 05 22:36:18 <Qcoder00>	geniice:  The regulars should know better XD
May 05 22:36:23 <Randomguy83>	yo.
May 05 22:36:26 <Qcoder00>	And should reposnde with good grace...
May 05 22:36:30 <Qcoder00>	but point taken
May 05 22:36:37 <Randomguy83>	er, shouldn't that be "respond"?
May 05 22:36:50 <Qcoder00>	Randomguy83:  My typing is not goog
May 05 22:36:52 <Qcoder00>	*good
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May 05 22:38:30 <Randomguy83>	ugh
May 05 22:38:36 <Randomguy83>	commons is confusing :S
May 05 22:38:39 <Qcoder00>	BTW  I'' go back to trying to add {{information}} and leave CSD's to other contributors for a bit?
May 05 22:39:21 <Qcoder00>	topaz, MuZemike  and others :  You are aware of {{add-author-I}} which can be subst on user talk pags?
May 05 22:39:23 <Qcoder00>	*pages
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May 05 22:39:51 <MuZemike>	wtf is [[User:Orangemarlin]]'s problem?
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May 05 22:40:13 <Qcoder00>	OK...
May 05 22:40:38 <Qcoder00>	Based on the disscussion I am considering not using CSD's for a week?
May 05 22:40:42 <Qcoder00>	That reasonable?
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May 05 22:41:14 <Gfoley4>	this? "I've got goofy admins who think they can block me for saying "fuck". I've got a couple of editors who hound and stalk me rather than actually doing work on the project, and file a weekly ANI or something because I reverted their useless POV edits. Your getting pissed because I might have fucked up your editing, well I probably deserved it. It takes a lot to insult me. Now if you said my citations were worthless....well, them's fighting w
May 05 22:41:14 <Gfoley4>	LOL. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 4:31 pm, Today (UTC−5)"
May 05 22:41:38 <Qcoder00>	Gfoley4: Combative style?
May 05 22:42:09 <Qcoder00>	I may not like the way people refer me to ANI, but I've not got that heated?
May 05 22:42:18 <Qcoder00>	(or have I?) :(
May 05 22:42:34 <Gfoley4>	nope
May 05 22:42:39 <Gfoley4>	=0
May 05 22:42:49 <Gfoley4>	* =)
May 05 22:43:22 <Qcoder00>	MuZemike: , Logan_ : Others?
May 05 22:43:39 <Qcoder00>	Can I make a request for an admin to wtach/mentor my edits?
May 05 22:43:49 <Qcoder00>	I am getting the impression I'm missing something again
May 05 22:43:51 <geniice>	not a good idea
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May 05 22:44:10 <Logan_>	I'm still not an admin
May 05 22:44:17 <Logan_>	hasn't changed in the last hour, IIRC
May 05 22:44:26 <Demiurge1000>	keep checking
May 05 22:44:30 <Qcoder00>	Logan_: Not an admin
May 05 22:44:31 <Logan_>	alright
May 05 22:44:32 <Qcoder00>	OK
May 05 22:44:36 <Logan_>	:P
May 05 22:44:39 <Qcoder00>	OK Admin or long term contributor?
May 05 22:45:13 <Qcoder00>	I mean long term contributors are just as good for watching other peoples decenst into Wiki-Insnaity? XD
May 05 22:46:34 *	Logan_ takes out some popcorn, enjoys the show.
May 05 22:47:05 <MuZemike>	Giano?
May 05 22:47:19 <Thehelpfulone>	anyone here good with regex?
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May 05 22:47:45 <Qcoder00>	MUZemike: I meant Safn00_IMG burning out by Policy drone ing
May 05 22:47:46 <Qcoder00>	;)
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May 05 22:48:11 <Logan_>	Thehelpfulone: /join #regex
May 05 22:48:23 <Qcoder00>	Right on a more positive note
May 05 22:48:27 <Thehelpfulone>	ooh
May 05 22:48:35 <Qcoder00>	Does anyone have objections to me adding {{information}} to images?
May 05 22:48:56 <Qcoder00>	I mean trying to add information rather than being delitionist isn't disruptive is it?
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May 05 22:50:31 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Herb_Brama.jpg - Is an obvious Commons candidate :)
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May 05 23:00:21 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GiacomoReturned#File_source_problem_with_File:Hannah_de_Rothschild.jpg -hmm
May 05 23:00:30 <Qcoder00>	I see what he's trying to say
May 05 23:00:37 <Qcoder00>	but it's a bit combative :(
May 05 23:00:55 <Qcoder00>	Anyway there seem to be some duplicate images around if anyone wants to try and cleanup?
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May 05 23:03:52 <Demiurge1000>	if User:MyPrecious was blocked for sockpuppetry in 2006, would it be a bad idea for a new user, now in 2011,  to call themselves User:My Precious?
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May 05 23:04:56 <Qcoder00>	OK POeople - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gianolibrad%27oro.gif  - Book cover?
May 05 23:05:04 <Qcoder00>	My thought is that's only text
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May 05 23:17:11 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buscotnorth.jpg - Why is this Keep L:ocal?
May 05 23:17:18 <Qcoder00>	It looks like it could be very useufl
May 05 23:18:07 <Qcoder00>	I personally think it time  policy was changed to EXPLICTY state that if you upload a 'free' image locally , it  WILL be moved to Comons if it meets the scope of that project
May 05 23:20:27 <geniice>	Qcoder00 not worth the hastle
May 05 23:20:39 <Qcoder00>	Well
May 05 23:20:53 <Qcoder00>	I might as well ignore that User's contributions then
May 05 23:21:05 <Qcoder00>	If they don't want to share :(
May 05 23:21:05 <geniice>	commons doesn't want to get into fights with other projects and one of the ways to do that is to allow people to keep stuff localy if they want
May 05 23:21:35 <geniice>	it's generaly only a hadful of oldtimers who object anyway so who cares
May 05 23:21:37 <foks>	Some people (like me) don't like commons
May 05 23:21:57 <foks>	judah judah-ah-ah
May 05 23:21:59 <Gfoley4>	foks is a rebel
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May 05 23:22:40 <geniice>	not liking commons is sooooo 2006
May 05 23:23:16 <Fluffernutter>	where the hell is my highlighter
May 05 23:23:24 <Qcoder00>	geniice: Unfortunatly it's frustrating when stuff locally can't be put on Commons,
May 05 23:23:36 <Qcoder00>	I thought the whols point of CC licences was that you could share
May 05 23:23:37 <Qcoder00>	;)
May 05 23:23:53 <Qcoder00>	The User concerned seems to have issues with Commons though :(
May 05 23:23:55 <geniice>	indeed it is but commons has ten million images
May 05 23:23:57 <MuZemike>	Exactly
May 05 23:24:25 <geniice>	a few thousand one way or the other doesn't matter
May 05 23:24:31 <MuZemike>	Let other projects use free images; don't hoard them just because you don't like Commons. To say the least, you're not impressing me.
May 05 23:24:48 <Qcoder00>	MUZemike: ?
May 05 23:24:53 <Qcoder00>	Now need to tell me
May 05 23:25:00 <Qcoder00>	Tell the user concerned ;)
May 05 23:25:12 <Qcoder00>	*No need
May 05 23:25:30 <geniice>	Giano doesn't like commons because he likes to think of himself as a big cheese and on commons he isn't
May 05 23:25:41 <Demiurge1000>	Telling Giano about it would be a great idea, he loves to hear from people (especially admins) who disagree with him :)
May 05 23:25:52 <Fluffernutter>	lawl
May 05 23:25:55 <Qcoder00>	That was satire?
May 05 23:26:03 <geniice>	irony
May 05 23:26:23 <Qcoder00>	Sarcasam? XD  Any more bids?
May 05 23:26:36 <Demiurge1000>	I think the word "sardonic" might come into it, but I'm not sure what the noun is from that...
May 05 23:26:49 <Qcoder00>	Any more bids
May 05 23:26:50 <Qcoder00>	?
May 05 23:26:53 <Qcoder00>	Going once....
May 05 23:27:08 <MuZemike>	Demiurge1000 is right, though.
May 05 23:27:27 <MuZemike>	some people won't listen to you simply because you 1) either know too much, 2) been around too far, or 3) is an admin.
May 05 23:27:36 <geniice>	I suspect the real reason Giano is getting pissed off is because the current generation don't care about him any more.
May 05 23:27:37 <MuZemike>	*are an admin
May 05 23:27:49 <Demiurge1000>	Giano writes so nicely though, sometimes I even enjoy reading him insulting *me*
May 05 23:28:24 <Qcoder00>	MuZemike:: On a side note one of Giano's recent comments caused me offence...
May 05 23:28:32 <geniice>	Qcoder00 yes he does that
May 05 23:28:35 <geniice>	ignore him
May 05 23:28:40 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 05 23:28:57 <Qcoder00>	I disliked the Cassonova comment given that   I have rather strong views about casual sex
May 05 23:30:15 <Qcoder00>	Of course Wikipedia is a broad church , and I realise people may hold other moral views ... :)
May 05 23:30:48 <Qcoder00>	'Free love' and 'FREE SEX' are completly different things though ....
May 05 23:31:19 <Qcoder00>	The world needs more GNU style 'Free Love' and less commericalised 'Free Sex'
May 05 23:32:16 <MuZemike>	We don't need anymore porn on WP or Commons.
May 05 23:33:04 <Qcoder00>	'Free Love'  is not synonmous with Porn...
May 05 23:33:28 <Qcoder00>	In fact most porn is a base exploitation  of weakness anyway
May 05 23:33:42 <Qcoder00>	(and most porn cannot be called 'Free' in the GNU sense)
May 05 23:33:46 <MuZemike>	Are you questioning the Powers That Be?
May 05 23:34:05 <Qcoder00>	No
May 05 23:34:12 <Qcoder00>	I was clarifying my argument
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May 05 23:34:31 <Qcoder00>	The fact that Porn is not withinin Commons scope is well known ;)
May 05 23:34:54 <Qcoder00>	However 'appropriate' erotic art  has a place in artistic commentary
May 05 23:35:09 <Qcoder00>	It's a complex subject :(
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May 05 23:36:58 <Qcoder00>	MUZemike: Busy at the moment?
May 05 23:37:15 <MuZemike>	Actually, a little
May 05 23:37:24 <Qcoder00>	Never mind
May 05 23:37:32 <Qcoder00>	I'm still looking for someone to check my contribs
May 05 23:37:38 <Qcoder00>	And my sanity level XD
May 05 23:37:44 <MuZemike>	I'm disrupting wikipedia by trying to clear another backlog right now.
May 05 23:38:15 <Qcoder00>	Which one?
May 05 23:38:36 <MuZemike>	Unassessed [[WP:VG]] articles
May 05 23:39:33 <Qcoder00>	Ah
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May 05 23:45:36 <geniice>	hmm and thats one dead candidate
May 05 23:46:19 <matthewrbowker>	geniice: <sarcasm> Wha'd you kill this time? </sarcasm>
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May 05 23:47:03 <geniice>	lib dem candidate for candidate for Westerhope, Newcastle aparently
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May 05 23:50:08 <MuZemike>	I think some citations are needed in this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz
May 05 23:50:49 <geniice>	tell him to stop staring at me first
May 05 23:51:21 <Tothwolf>	MuZemike: lol, at least that one is legit for a change
May 05 23:51:28 <Logan_>	heh, this is a pretty cool template: Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Non-free
May 05 23:51:31 <Logan_>	woops
May 05 23:51:33 <Logan_>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Hasty
May 05 23:51:36 <Tothwolf>	not some made up spoofed article :P
May 05 23:51:36 <Logan_>	that ^
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May 05 23:51:51 <MuZemike>	FWIW, I kind of doubt that he's worked as an intern for Google.
May 05 23:52:03 <Logan_>	every admin should use that template on A1s and A3s, imo
May 05 23:52:14 <geniice>	Logan_ as someone who has been known to zap stuff stright off the special:newpages errr no
May 05 23:52:14 <Logan_>	when they are tagged shortly after creation
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May 05 23:52:30 <Tothwolf>	MuZemike: google it
May 05 23:52:31 <MuZemike>	Not for each and every A1/A3 though
May 05 23:52:34 *	Logan_ glares at geniice
May 05 23:52:35 <Logan_>	:P
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May 05 23:52:55 <Logan_>	MuZemike: well, obviously AGFing to your best extent
May 05 23:53:02 <Logan_>	some articles you know won't be improved
May 05 23:53:30 <MuZemike>	AGF is not Dianetics. You need to assume that newcomers are from Planet Earth.
May 05 23:53:36 *	Zuzak decides that Nick Robinson == Cory Doctorow
May 05 23:53:56 <Jeske_Couriano>	No no, MuZemike...
May 05 23:54:03 <Jeske_Couriano>	AGF is not the Waaagh!
May 05 23:54:22 <Logan_>	Zuzak: I <3 Cory Doctorow
May 05 23:54:27 <Logan_>	have you read Little Brother?
May 05 23:55:00 <Zuzak>	Yep
May 05 23:55:20 *	Zuzak prefers Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, though
May 05 23:55:45 <Logan_>	good stuff
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May 06 00:01:07 <Tothwolf>	does User:Mnemnoch work for sony?
May 06 00:02:01 <Fluffernutter>	hmm. I need advice.
May 06 00:02:41 <Fluffernutter>	In a situation where a non-notable person is mentioned often in the context of a notable event which may be embarrassing to that person, is it best practice to not name them in the article if naming them isn't necessary? Or is that unnecessarily avoidant and I should just use the damn name?
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May 06 00:03:47 <geniice>	depends. have they taken out a super injunction
May 06 00:04:03 <Fluffernutter>	lol no, this is old skool drama
May 06 00:04:20 <geniice>	if not then unless you are aiming for FA status it depends how much you like them
May 06 00:04:37 <Tothwolf>	geniice: why would it matter?
May 06 00:05:05 <geniice>	because on a practical level you are free to name or not name them as you see fit
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May 06 00:06:23 <geniice>	I think we just upset the Nunney tourist information board
May 06 00:06:29 *	Peter-C slays CKtravel_ with an epee
May 06 00:06:54 <geniice>	http://twitter.com/#!/VisitNunney
May 06 00:07:08 <Mike5>	obvious copyvio.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ayman_Al-Zawahiri.jpg
May 06 00:07:51 <Tothwolf>	geniice: :P
May 06 00:16:15 *	Peter-C eats people
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May 06 00:17:36 <MuZemike>	And who says I template others too much: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:99.34.206.46&diff=427665592&oldid=427665327
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May 06 00:31:13 <Mike5>	and now a copyvio article
May 06 00:31:14 <Mike5>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growing_Up_bin_Laden
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May 06 00:35:53 <Dcoetzee>	Mike5: Deleting it...
May 06 00:37:44 <Demiurge1000>	Fluffernutter: Get a second opinion from off2riorob, I am sure he would disagree with geniice :)
May 06 00:37:52 <Fluffernutter>	lol
May 06 00:38:12 <Fluffernutter>	i'm finding it increasingly unwieldy to go nameless. I might finish writing the whole thing and then look back and see how awkwardly it reads
May 06 00:39:21 <Demiurge1000>	I was calmy looking at some WP:BLPN complaint one day, and thinking to myself, "well look here Mr Not Especially Notable Complainer, we can probably fix your article up or something, but if you keep complaining like this, any second now, Rob will be trying to just DELETE you"
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May 06 00:39:41 <geniice>	hmm http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/en  hmm first time I've had the ability to exclude candidates from the board elections by abusing my admin powers
May 06 00:39:51 <Demiurge1000>	ten seconds later, BANG, Rob comes in and proposes deleting the article to remove the BLP problem :)
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May 06 00:44:00 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&limit=500&offset=1000&target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.law.cornell.edu%2Fuscode%2Fhtml%2Fuscode17%2Fusc_sec_17_00000107----000-.html
May 06 00:44:07 <Qcoder00>	Anyone want to help do some FUR update?
May 06 00:44:18 <Dcoetzee>	Fluffernutter: Hi btw :-)
May 06 00:44:21 *	Dcoetzee hugs Fluffernutter
May 06 00:44:45 <Fluffernutter>	heya
May 06 00:45:10 <Qcoder00>	LOL
May 06 00:45:16 <Qcoder00>	When people upset me I get busy
May 06 00:45:17 <Qcoder00>	;)
May 06 00:45:32 <Qcoder00>	Don't make me angry or I'll blow a blood vessel :(
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May 06 01:10:36 <devo>	Lol the Marvel Studios article has two History sections. XD
May 06 01:10:52 <devo>	Must have had a lot of history.
May 06 01:13:36 <Fluffernutter>	hmmmmm
May 06 01:14:01 <Fluffernutter>	I can't use sources that have gone offline but that the author provided to me via email, right? In this case, notable blog posts about a controvery?
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May 06 01:15:57 <Courcelles>	Did you check the Wayback machine?
May 06 01:16:05 <Fluffernutter>	yeah, they're freaking NOWHERE
May 06 01:16:14 <Fluffernutter>	but let me look again, hjust to be sure
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May 06 01:16:50 <Dcoetzee>	Resfirestar: I should add you in SC2 :-P
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May 06 01:17:16 <Resfirestar>	not sc2, I pulled out the old starcraft while I wait for the money to buy SC2 :P
May 06 01:17:22 <Dcoetzee>	Oh heh
May 06 01:17:37 <Dcoetzee>	I've played a lot of old school SC but I suck on the multiplayer scene :-P
May 06 01:17:56 <Fluffernutter>	yeah i get a blank page when i try to wayback them
May 06 01:18:08 <Courcelles>	Fluff, could you get the author to put them back online long enough for you to grab a WebCite?
May 06 01:18:18 <Courcelles>	Good timing, they'd have to be up all of 20 minutes
May 06 01:18:25 <Fluffernutter>	ergh
May 06 01:18:36 <Fluffernutter>	i don't even know what that is
May 06 01:18:52 <Fluffernutter>	i have the URLs that they were at, but those are dead. I have the contents, but those are on my local HDD
May 06 01:19:04 <Fluffernutter>	i don't suppose i can cite using the dead URLs?
May 06 01:19:17 <Courcelles>	What was one of the URLs?
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May 06 01:19:40 <Fluffernutter>	pm'd
May 06 01:22:41 <Sam_Gold>	:)
May 06 01:22:57 <geniice>	blogs are not too good as a source
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May 06 01:23:44 <Sam_Gold>	yeah I see some weird sourcing, like articles about particular software, and then they site the forum from the software site.
May 06 01:23:49 <Sam_Gold>	That doesn't seem right :S
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May 06 01:24:04 <Sam_Gold>	cite*
May 06 01:24:08 <Logan_>	slakr: pingity ping ping
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May 06 01:52:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	hello, humans
May 06 01:52:53 *	Demiurge1000 is offended by that designation
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May 06 01:53:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	good morning , LauraHale
May 06 01:53:20 <Dragonfly6-7>	how goes the netball?
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May 06 01:54:01 <Demiurge1000>	more importantly, how goes the Tourist Landmark of the Resistance!
May 06 01:54:46 <LauraHale>	Dragonfly6-7: It goes okay?
May 06 01:55:03 <LauraHale>	Arrived back in AU and my laptop now has issues with the backlight
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May 06 02:08:47 <barts1a>	Could someone please WP:SNOW close this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Laura_Bryna_(2nd_nomination)#Laura_Bryna
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May 06 02:30:24 *	Fluffernutter haz a proud
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May 06 02:31:17 <LauraHale>	Fluffernutter has a proud what?
May 06 02:31:58 <Fluffernutter>	before (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kaycee_Nicole&oldid=416390909) and after (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kaycee_Nicole&oldid=427679600)
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May 06 02:34:14 <barts1a>	Fluffernutter; that is rather good!
May 06 02:34:39 <Fluffernutter>	why, thank you :D
May 06 02:35:57 <LauraHale>	Very nice article. :)
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May 06 02:48:54 <geniice>	the internet was so innocent once
May 06 02:49:06 <Fluffernutter>	and then it got porn?
May 06 02:49:29 *	barts1a rimshots
May 06 02:49:47 *	Fluffernutter bows
May 06 02:49:51 <geniice>	nah porn dates back to the usenet days at least
May 06 02:50:00 <Fluffernutter>	ascii porn :D
May 06 02:50:10 <barts1a>	The best kind!
May 06 02:50:27 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna
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May 06 02:50:43 <Mike_H>	Myra: Confucius say
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May 06 02:50:53 <Mike_H>	"If Lisa Bonet ate no basil, what did Tempestt Bledsoe eat?"
May 06 02:51:02 <Fluffernutter>	what sort of...experiments...are performed upon Lenna?
May 06 02:51:29 <topaz>	if --- what?
May 06 02:51:38 <Mike_H>	topaz: Exactly.
May 06 02:51:41 *	Mike_H meditates.
May 06 02:51:42 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 06 02:51:49 <barts1a>	it's just an image... probably used to test image-based porn filtering methods
May 06 02:51:58 <Fluffernutter>	wouldn't that be a koan, not a confucius-ism?
May 06 02:52:12 <Mike_H>	Fluffernutter: Don't question Confucius. He is wiser than you or I.
May 06 02:52:15 <geniice>	image compression expiriments
May 06 02:52:24 <geniice>	however porn has made is as far as the moon
May 06 02:52:26 <geniice>	http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a12/a12.cdrcuf08.jpg
May 06 02:53:00 <geniice>	several times
May 06 02:53:01 <Fluffernutter>	omai
May 06 02:53:02 <geniice>	http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a12/a12.cdrcuf15.jpg
May 06 02:53:07 <geniice>	http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a12/a12.lmpcuf08.jpg
May 06 02:53:13 <geniice>	http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a12/a12.lmpcuf14.jpg
May 06 02:53:14 <barts1a>	The russians wouldn't know about that sort of thing... http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-russians-sex-space.html
May 06 02:54:03 <geniice>	barts1a best anyone can tell there have been no cases of actual sex in space
May 06 02:54:39 <barts1a>	We don't really know everything that goes on up there do we?
May 06 02:54:43 <geniice>	Fluffernutter one of the things you realise when looking at the apollo missions was how much stuff they got away with
May 06 02:54:56 <Fluffernutter>	spaceships = boyzones for the longest time
May 06 02:55:11 <geniice>	barts1a we'd probably find out. There isn't much in the way of privacy on space stations
May 06 02:55:15 <topaz>	(one in ten! one in ten!)
May 06 02:55:22 <geniice>	Fluffernutter not that there is anything wrong with that
May 06 02:55:25 <geniice>	topaz ?
May 06 02:55:53 <Fluffernutter>	geniice: course there's something wrong with that. I mean boyzone in the sense of woman-exclusionary, not in the sense of mmm-sausage-party-everyone-take-off-your-pants
May 06 02:55:54 <barts1a>	Fluffernutter: They could just shut off the comms and be completely isolated
May 06 02:56:00 <topaz>	geniice: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/space-the-final/
May 06 02:56:02 <Mike_H>	if it were really one in ten, I would have gotten laid a lot more
May 06 02:56:04 <Mike_H>	ymmv
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May 06 02:56:24 <geniice>	Fluffernutter I was suggesting that if there had been space sex it had probably been homosexual
May 06 02:56:25 <topaz>	HAH
May 06 02:56:32 <topaz>	Mike_H++
May 06 02:56:46 <Fluffernutter>	geniice: "Space: just like prison, but with fewer guards!"
May 06 02:57:27 <Mike_H>	I don't know, a prison guard fantasy can be pretty hot
May 06 02:57:28 <geniice>	pretty much although a ship might have been a better comparison
May 06 02:57:58 <topaz>	with six- and twelve-month sessions up on the ISS, I would be astonished if there hadn't been some bumping and grinding, privacy or no.
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May 06 02:58:23 <Fluffernutter>	or just massive amounts of wanking
May 06 02:58:30 <Fluffernutter>	maybe they all get issues fleshlights
May 06 02:58:33 <Fluffernutter>	*issued
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May 06 02:59:03 <Guerillero>	lol
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May 06 02:59:55 <Mike_H>	Delta Work, is that you?
May 06 02:59:56 <Mike_H>	You bitch!
May 06 03:00:00 <Fluffernutter>	!
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May 06 03:00:22 <geniice>	topaz if there is no one is talking about it
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May 06 03:01:44 <geniice>	Fluffernutter going for a DYK?
May 06 03:01:48 <Fluffernutter>	yep
May 06 03:01:54 <Fluffernutter>	maybe a GA if it holds up in the next few days
May 06 03:01:55 <Mike_H>	oh, cool, Maury is on
May 06 03:02:04 <Mike_H>	"You Cheated With Your Stepdad...Am I Your Baby's Father?"
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May 06 03:03:12 <geniice>	some people have complicated lives
May 06 03:04:00 <geniice>	wait UKIP are running in northern island? Well thats progress I suppose
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May 06 03:10:08 *	derp throws a hamburger at Fluffernutter
May 06 03:10:15 *	Fluffernutter catches, noms
May 06 03:10:35 <derp>	It had mushrooms :P
May 06 03:10:41 <Fluffernutter>	eww
May 06 03:10:43 *	Fluffernutter spits it out
May 06 03:10:48 *	Fluffernutter doesn't eat fungus
May 06 03:11:04 *	derp went to the market and bought dried mushrooms :)
May 06 03:11:25 <Gfoley4>	derp is a fungus
May 06 03:11:29 <derp>	Gfoley4 <3
May 06 03:11:31 <Gfoley4>	don't eat him
May 06 03:11:32 <Gfoley4>	<3
May 06 03:11:38 <Gfoley4>	:D
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May 06 03:11:40 *	Fluffernutter also doesn't eat gay men
May 06 03:11:51 <Sam_Gold>	taste bad?
May 06 03:11:54 <derp>	You do miss oliver don't you...
May 06 03:12:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	he's my nephew
May 06 03:12:30 <Gfoley4>	:O
May 06 03:12:35 <Fluffernutter>	?
May 06 03:12:42 <derp>	you miss ironholds :P
May 06 03:12:58 <Fluffernutter>	no, i was "?"ing the "he's my nephew"
May 06 03:13:06 <derp>	oh
May 06 03:13:07 <derp>	:P
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May 06 03:13:23 <Mike_H>	derp: my mother was at the mall with me today and we were talking about how clothes were nicer in the old days
May 06 03:13:33 <Mike_H>	and then she had to show me photos of her being crowned Jacksonville Shriner Debutante Queen
May 06 03:13:39 <Mike_H>	Should I have just not responded to her :P
May 06 03:13:46 <derp>	:P
May 06 03:13:48 <derp>	nah
May 06 03:13:48 <derp>	:P
May 06 03:14:02 *	derp hugs Mike_H and steals all his ciggies.
May 06 03:14:07 <Mike_H>	derp: it didn't help that I lost her in a store and I described her and used her age
May 06 03:14:10 <Mike_H>	she was mortified
May 06 03:14:40 <Mike_H>	I was telling the store clerk "have you seen this lady, olive skin tone, green eyes, black hair mixed with gray, around 5'4", 60 years old"
May 06 03:14:47 <Mike_H>	and my mother was like YOU TOLD THE LADY MY AGE?!
May 06 03:15:32 <derp>	heh
May 06 03:16:52 <geniice>	Mike_H eh you just need to present it properly
May 06 03:17:22 <geniice>	rather than 60 years old you say "too young to remember the civil war"
May 06 03:17:25 <Mike_H>	geniice: Apparently it didn't even matter, because she did actually serve my mother and it took her like four times thinking about it before she told me where she was
May 06 03:17:29 <Mike_H>	because she didn't believe she was 60.
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May 06 03:26:29 <Logan_>	Crimedog: ping
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May 06 03:29:06 <quanticle>	What's up, wikipedians?
May 06 03:30:55 <Dragonfly6-7>	Very little.
May 06 03:30:58 <Fluffernutter>	^
May 06 03:31:04 <barts1a>	^^
May 06 03:31:04 <Fluffernutter>	Dragonfly6-7, did you go admire my article handiwork?
May 06 03:34:00 <geniice>	this will not end well
May 06 03:34:02 <geniice>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13267205
May 06 03:34:23 <geniice>	holiest well in islam has 3 times the legal limit of arsnic
May 06 03:34:32 <Fluffernutter>	oh dear
May 06 03:35:11 <geniice>	hmm the have been rumors of a simular issue in jordan
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May 06 03:36:26 <geniice>	Supprised no one spotted it before . pretty easy to pick up with ICP-AES
May 06 03:36:34 <geniice>	not to expensive either
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May 06 03:38:01 <Logan_>	Gfoley4[AFK]: you there?
May 06 03:38:17 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	yes, about to do homework...
May 06 03:38:25 <Logan_>	look at [[WP:AFDO]]
May 06 03:38:33 <Logan_>	somebody nominated about 100 articles in one day
May 06 03:38:49 *	slakr was pingged
May 06 03:38:57 *	Fluffernutter didn't do it, slakr
May 06 03:39:02 <Logan_>	slakr: why?
May 06 03:39:08 <slakr>	you did it
May 06 03:39:12 <slakr>	(Logan_)
May 06 03:39:18 <Logan_>	oh, earlier
May 06 03:39:26 <Logan_>	I wanted your opinion on whether or not something was a log bot
May 06 03:39:32 <Logan_>	but it/he/she left anyway
May 06 03:39:41 <geniice>	oh I see whats happened
May 06 03:39:49 <Fluffernutter>	Logan_: oh, is that the playmates?
May 06 03:39:49 <slakr>	anyone can be a log bot.
May 06 03:39:53 <Logan_>	Fluffernutter: yep
May 06 03:39:55 <slakr>	they're like commies.
May 06 03:39:59 <Fluffernutter>	wasn't that on ANI recently?
May 06 03:40:00 <slakr>	:P
May 06 03:40:03 <Logan_>	yes
May 06 03:40:07 <Sam_Gold>	yeah some clients have logging on by default
May 06 03:40:08 <Logan_>	I'm relisting so many
May 06 03:40:12 <Sam_Gold>	:(
May 06 03:40:24 <geniice>	Looking at it I suspect they've increased the rate of withdrawal from the well that has increased the amount of asenic being washed from the rocks
May 06 03:40:54 <slakr>	as I've said numerous times before, we don't/can't actually prohibit logging
May 06 03:41:02 *	derp has quit ()
May 06 03:41:09 <slakr>	or someone running a log bot
May 06 03:41:21 <Logan_>	geniice: the playmates?
May 06 03:41:27 *	Fluffernutter logs. But only for my own reference.
May 06 03:41:38 <slakr>	the point of the rule is to prohibit irc discussion for being used as wiki discussion
May 06 03:41:41 <geniice>	Logan_ no this  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13267205
May 06 03:41:48 <slakr>	for / from
May 06 03:41:50 <Logan_>	oh :P
May 06 03:44:28 <Guerillero>	Fluffernutter: would you be willing to provide a second opinion on the prose of a GAN?
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May 06 03:45:03 <Fluffernutter>	Guerillero: er. Well. I'm generally happy to provide prose second opinions, but i have zero experience with checking things against GA criteria
May 06 03:45:24 <geniice>	this paper is kinda sad http://faculty.ksu.edu.sa/khounganian/Interns%20Seminar/Zamzam-waterpublicationarticle.pdf
May 06 03:45:43 <Guerillero>	Fluff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_Foundation_Program#MFP_Accountability_Reports_for_low-performing_schools
May 06 03:45:55 <Guerillero>	* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_Foundation_Program
May 06 03:46:17 <Fluffernutter>	do you need it tonight, or can i put it off until tomorrow?
May 06 03:46:32 <Guerillero>	It still has 4 days left on it
May 06 03:47:57 <Fluffernutter>	i'll do it tomorrow, then
May 06 03:48:06 <Guerillero>	ok :)
May 06 03:48:08 <Fluffernutter>	poke me about it if you're online tomorrow
May 06 03:48:42 <slakr>	[21:47:05] <)RCMonBot> [21:46] acc      create           Projectilevomiter     <--- lol, glad he's come to terms with that.
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May 06 03:50:03 <geniice>	someone created a series of DYK articles about /Ottoman taxes/?
May 06 03:50:33 <Fluffernutter>	darn ottomans and their grasping ways
May 06 03:51:42 *	boulevardier (~boulevard@wikipedia/boulevardier) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 03:54:44 <geniice>	that Tekalif-i orfiye, Resm-i çift, Rav akçesi, Nüzül, İspençe, Avariz, Adet-i ağnam, Resm-i arusane, Tuz resmi, Resm-i bennâk, Bedl-i askeri, Gümrük resmi, Sursat, Müskirat resmi, Temettu, Adet-i deştbani, Damga resmi, Resm-i mücerred, Öşür, Ihtisab, Resm-i donum and Tapu resmi were Ottoman taxes, whilst Muafiyet were exemptions, and Emins were tax collectors?
May 06 03:54:55 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 06 03:55:07 <Logan_>	O_O
May 06 03:55:34 <geniice>	Bobrayner we salute you but frankly you frighten us a bit
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May 06 03:56:03 <Guerillero>	umm
May 06 03:56:10 <Guerillero>	is that too long?
May 06 03:56:18 <Fluffernutter>	that's...tl'dr
May 06 03:56:52 <Guerillero>	well yes
May 06 03:57:01 <Guerillero>	but DYK has a set charter limit
May 06 03:57:05 <geniice>	Fluffernutter it's one sentence
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May 06 03:57:17 <Guerillero>	I think its 200 or something
May 06 03:57:28 <geniice>	does watson know that? I didn't think so
May 06 03:57:30 <Fluffernutter>	geniice: doesn't really matter. I read the first three words and went "fuck this shit"
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May 06 03:58:26 <Fluffernutter>	argh. what's the tool to monitor number of hits on an article?
May 06 03:58:42 <geniice>	http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/User:Bobrayner
May 06 03:58:51 <Guerillero>	where is the hook?
May 06 03:58:52 <Fluffernutter>	thc
May 06 03:58:53 <geniice>	replace User:Bobrayner with the article name
May 06 03:58:54 <Fluffernutter>	*thx
May 06 03:58:58 <Guerillero>	its not on T:TDYK
May 06 03:59:04 <geniice>	Guerillero botten of DTK
May 06 03:59:20 <Guerillero>	ok
May 06 03:59:29 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T:DYK at the end
May 06 03:59:53 <geniice>	Fluffernutter or go into the page history and click page view statistics
May 06 04:00:05 <Guerillero>	I think that thats a new record
May 06 04:00:14 <Fluffernutter>	oh hey, i never noticed that link was there, geniice
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May 06 04:01:36 <geniice>	Guerillero not sure. Do we record the record somewhere
May 06 04:03:14 <geniice>	Labour has taken control of Hull City Council from the Lib Dems.
May 06 04:03:19 <geniice>	poor labour
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May 06 04:05:41 <Guerillero>	I think there is a list
May 06 04:05:48 *	Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|sleep
May 06 04:07:06 <Guerillero>	Can I reject a DYK based on the fact that the article relies on what appears to be a SPS?
May 06 04:07:17 <Meepsheep>	yes
May 06 04:08:31 <Demiurge1000>	yes (second opinion)
May 06 04:08:41 <Demiurge1000>	Meepsheep: Aren't you some sort of troll creature?
May 06 04:08:46 <Meepsheep>	nope
May 06 04:08:48 *	Guerillero ignores the person blocked for trolling en-wikipedia
May 06 04:09:01 <Demiurge1000>	Oh, that would be a yes, then. Sorry, didn't read up.
May 06 04:09:18 <Guerillero>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Meepsheep
May 06 04:09:39 <Demiurge1000>	Guerillo: All DYK articles should have at least a basic substantiation in secondary sources
May 06 04:09:47 <Meepsheep>	Can't you guys at least put one of those sockpuppeteer templates on that page, I hate seeing the redlink
May 06 04:09:50 <Demiurge1000>	if it's primary-only then it's bullshit
May 06 04:10:01 <Logan_>	!ops Meepsheep is back - please re-ban the link for a longer period of time
May 06 04:10:04 <Guerillero>	This looks like a blog http://www.activetravellaos.com/country/?p=66
May 06 04:10:05 <Demiurge1000>	although, take it gently. Discuss it with the nominator :)
May 06 04:10:16 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	him, trade Votto for Quention and Berkman
May 06 04:10:20 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	?
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May 06 04:10:25 <topaz>	so I got a SMS phishing attempt tonight
May 06 04:10:27 <Logan_>	*nick
May 06 04:10:28 <slakr>	is he trolling?
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May 06 04:10:32 <Logan_>	slakr: yes
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May 06 04:10:34 <slakr>	how?
May 06 04:10:35 <Meepsheep>	Logan_, what have I done to deserve a ban?
May 06 04:10:44 <topaz>	did you know how HARD it is to report an attempted credit card phish?
May 06 04:10:45 <Logan_>	<Guerillero> Can I reject a DYK based on the fact that the article relies on what appears to be a SPS?
May 06 04:10:46 <Logan_>	<Meepsheep> yes
May 06 04:10:46 <topaz>	jeez.
May 06 04:10:51 <Logan_>	<Meepsheep> Can't you guys at least put one of those sockpuppeteer templates on that page, I hate seeing the redlink
May 06 04:11:02 <Meepsheep>	I am just saying that the red link annoys me
May 06 04:11:11 *	slakr rolls his eyes
May 06 04:11:11 <Logan_>	slakr: he's trolling, in essence
May 06 04:11:25 <Meepsheep>	I am not trolling the channel
May 06 04:11:34 <Meepsheep>	That's what I was banned from wikipedia for
May 06 04:11:37 <Logan_>	My name isn't Logan
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May 06 04:11:40 <Logan_>	oh wait
May 06 04:11:49 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	9_9
May 06 04:11:58 <Meepsheep>	and I come in here to prove that I am ready to be unblocked
May 06 04:12:24 <Sam_Gold>	what has changed :??
May 06 04:12:30 <Meepsheep>	a lot
May 06 04:12:31 <Guerillero>	wer't you the one who changed that template a few days ago?
May 06 04:12:45 <slakr>	if you're wanting to be unblocked, #wikipedia-en-unblock is the place to ask
May 06 04:12:53 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	Meepsheep: I had fun blocking that sock =)
May 06 04:13:09 <Herodotus>	Meepsheep: As a general rule, people who are blocked to the point of needing to come on IRC are not ready to be unblocked. The more times they show up on IRC while still blocked, the more likely the permablock was warranted.
May 06 04:13:23 <matthewrbowker>	What is the single of criteria?  Criterium?
May 06 04:13:28 <Meepsheep>	Guerillero, are you referring to this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#URGENT_Template:Hansard-contribs
May 06 04:13:58 <Stroopwafel>	hi I want to usurp a .en wiki account into my sul, where should I go?
May 06 04:14:12 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	sec
May 06 04:14:21 <Guerillero>	oui
May 06 04:14:34 <Logan_>	matthewrbowker: criterion
May 06 04:14:37 <Logan_>	duh :P
May 06 04:14:49 <Logan_>	Stroopwafel: http://enwp.org/WP:USURP
May 06 04:14:53 <matthewrbowker>	Logan_: Thanks :)
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May 06 04:15:00 <Logan_>	matthewrbowker: no problemo
May 06 04:15:07 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	Stroopwafel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations
May 06 04:15:24 <Stroopwafel>	Thanks!
May 06 04:15:27 <Herodotus>	Logan_: Oh no you didn't.
May 06 04:15:32 <Logan_>	Gfoley4[AFK]: taking too long fail :P
May 06 04:15:33 *	Stroopwafel reads
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May 06 04:15:41 <Logan_>	Herodotus: Did I?
May 06 04:15:50 <Herodotus>	Logan_: You did.
May 06 04:15:52 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	shuttup, I couldn't remember the shortcut
May 06 04:15:57 <Logan_>	Oh yes I did.
May 06 04:16:02 <Logan_>	Did you?
May 06 04:16:11 <Herodotus>	I would never.
May 06 04:16:17 <Herodotus>	How dare you even suggest such a thing?
May 06 04:16:24 <Logan_>	Who would?
May 06 04:16:29 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	???
May 06 04:16:31 <Herodotus>	slakr, probably.
May 06 04:16:33 <Logan_>	¿¿¿
May 06 04:16:45 <Logan_>	Herodotus: More like Fluffernutter, in my opinion.
May 06 04:16:47 <slakr>	?
May 06 04:16:53 <Logan_>	¿
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May 06 04:16:59 *	slakr is confuzzled
May 06 04:17:07 *	Logan_ likes truffles.
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May 06 04:17:27 <Myra>	Logan_: Behave, please.
May 06 04:17:35 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	^
May 06 04:17:40 *	Gfoley4[AFK] is now known as Gfoley4
May 06 04:17:41 *	slakr preps the tranq dart
May 06 04:17:45 <Logan_>	heh
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May 06 04:18:02 <Herodotus>	For the record, "no problemo" is all I was referring to. :-)
May 06 04:18:06 <Gfoley4>	slakr: aka, /quiet?
May 06 04:18:08 <Gfoley4>	;)
May 06 04:19:54 <Mike_H>	Myra: Te quiero, mami.
May 06 04:20:01 *	Myra snuggles Mike_H.
May 06 04:20:04 <Mike_H>	:>
May 06 04:20:27 <Meepsheep>	can you snuggle me?
May 06 04:20:54 <Myra>	No.
May 06 04:21:03 <Meepsheep>	and why not?
May 06 04:21:27 <Krimpet>	He'd be locked up. Age of consent and all.
May 06 04:21:45 *	Prodego is now known as elapse
May 06 04:21:47 <Meepsheep>	but they are e-snuggles
May 06 04:22:10 <Krimpet>	Doesn't matter!
May 06 04:22:24 <slakr>	party van.
May 06 04:23:03 <Myra>	More party, less van.
May 06 04:23:34 <Logan_>	what's a party without a van?
May 06 04:24:38 <Meepsheep>	party van ceases to amuse me
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May 06 04:25:12 <Logan_>	an ancient Greek philosopher once said, "I like to party, but I need my van to maintain a strong sense of pathos."
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May 06 04:25:25 <Logan_>	it's true - I conjured it during REM last night
May 06 04:25:56 <matthewrbowker>	Logan_: {{citation needed}}
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May 06 04:26:17 <Logan_>	matthewrbowker: you forgot the date parameter :P
May 06 04:26:23 <Logan_>	poor SmackBot
May 06 04:26:26 <matthewrbowker>	darn...
May 06 04:28:23 <Mike_H>	A citation is never needed. It's called living.
May 06 04:28:32 <matthewrbowker>	Logan_: How about {{citation needed |date=January 10BC}} ?
May 06 04:28:38 <Logan_>	especially when the statements are from me
May 06 04:28:44 <Logan_>	since I am automatically verifiable and reliable
May 06 04:29:20 <Mike_H>	tru.
May 06 04:31:12 <Logan_>	Myra: How much do confident ganders sell for, anyway?
May 06 04:31:20 <Gfoley4>	name that announcer: "You can put in on the board..... YES!"
May 06 04:31:27 <Gfoley4>	*it
May 06 04:31:32 <Logan_>	(as opposed to those cowardly, inbred geese)
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May 06 04:35:03 <Myra>	/clear
May 06 04:35:13 <Logan_>	:P
May 06 04:35:18 <Logan_>	I see how it is
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May 06 04:35:54 <Myra>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Broken_section_anchors
May 06 04:37:17 *	Logan_ throws some more bullshit template parameters at Myra 
May 06 04:38:00 <Logan_>	I didn't know that the sysops were so lax about DBR names :P
May 06 04:38:10 <Logan_>	but, then again, you do pretty much run DBR
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May 06 05:04:09 <geniice>	if you can see this vid check out the 4:10 mark
May 06 05:04:10 <geniice>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mj67
May 06 05:04:48 <geniice>	forget drug smuggling  the new line is zamzam waet smuggling
May 06 05:05:19 <Meepsheep>	drug smuggling you say?
May 06 05:09:06 <geniice>	Meepsheep so last year
May 06 05:09:21 <geniice>	zamzam water smuggling is the new in thing
May 06 05:10:06 <Meepsheep>	i see
May 06 05:11:53 <geniice>	hmm will you look at that http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Zamzam_Well
May 06 05:12:52 <Meepsheep>	that's how it works
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May 06 05:42:18 <Ironholds>	I just got an email from my land law lecturer telling me she hates me
May 06 05:42:23 <Ironholds>	university is fun!
May 06 05:42:50 <Meepsheep>	And what reason does she have for hating you?
May 06 05:43:10 <Ironholds>	I submitted a first-class essay a day late, and so she has to cap it at a 2:2
May 06 05:43:19 <Ironholds>	this is apparently "utterly infuriating"
May 06 05:43:34 <Meepsheep>	sounds like a bitch
May 06 05:43:40 <Ironholds>	naw, she's awesomely snarky
May 06 05:43:56 <Ironholds>	we feud publicly and regularly, but always in good faith
May 06 05:44:10 <Ironholds>	which as my insurance law lecturer will tell you, is incredibly important
May 06 05:44:13 <Meepsheep>	then again, most people who have been in positions of authority for extended periods of time are
May 06 05:46:10 *	JustinBieber (~Bor@unaffiliated/leona) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 05:46:21 <JustinBieber>	hi
May 06 05:46:29 <Ironholds>	Meepsheep: you seem to be confusing assholery with a sense of humour
May 06 05:46:35 <Herodotus>	JustinBieber: No.
May 06 05:46:40 <Ironholds>	we're British. The snark becomes ingrained after a few years.
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May 06 05:46:55 <Meepsheep>	Ironholds, not for all
May 06 05:47:30 <Ironholds>	for the good ones
May 06 05:47:33 <JustinBieber>	no?
May 06 05:47:49 <Meepsheep>	true
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May 06 05:49:06 <JustinBieber>	how do you become an admin?
May 06 05:49:16 <Shirik>	you start out by not having a crappy name
May 06 05:49:18 <Ironholds>	with great difficulty and zen
May 06 05:49:30 <Ironholds>	Shirik: leona is a long-term troll. Ignore it.
May 06 05:49:36 <Shirik>	oh
May 06 05:49:44 <Shirik>	I've kinda been ignoring the IRC world for the past few months
May 06 05:50:15 <Ironholds>	I'd noticed ;p
May 06 05:50:20 <Meepsheep>	JustinBieber, so what are your views on Wikipeida?
May 06 05:50:47 <mono>	!ops troll
May 06 05:50:48 <JustinBieber>	Last time I came in here, I was very respectful and civil if I recall.
May 06 05:51:06 <Bejinhan>	Meepsheep.needs.a.ban
May 06 05:51:18 <Ironholds>	Bejinhan: he's on his last strike, I believe
May 06 05:51:23 <JustinBieber>	My views?
May 06 05:51:27 <Meepsheep>	JustinBieber, that is good as I am also a respectful e-citizen
May 06 05:51:31 <Bejinhan>	JustinBieber: just ignore him.
May 06 05:51:37 <Bejinhan>	Ironholds: i hope
May 06 05:51:40 <Meepsheep>	and Ironholds, I am only on my first strike
May 06 05:51:42 <mono>	Can everyone just shut up?
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May 06 05:51:59 <JustinBieber>	No.
May 06 05:52:02 <mono>	Meepsheep: you're now on your third, because "I said so"
May 06 05:52:10 <Meepsheep>	mono, we are simply having a conversation
May 06 05:52:14 <Herodotus>	The gang's all here. Now all we need is BLACK_MAN.
May 06 05:52:33 <JustinBieber>	lolwut wth
May 06 05:52:35 <Meepsheep>	BLACK_MAN :D
May 06 05:52:40 <JustinBieber>	Nice nick -_-
May 06 05:53:26 *	Bejinhan is now known as Bejinhan|noping
May 06 05:53:44 <Meepsheep>	so JustinBieber, shall we discuss en-wikipedia related issues?
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May 06 05:54:30 <JustinBieber>	No thanks. I prefer to be silent atm.
May 06 05:54:38 <Meepsheep>	very well then
May 06 05:55:04 <Matthewedwards>	OMG!!! Justin Bieber!!!! Aaaaaaahhhh!!!!111111111one
May 06 05:56:26 <JustinBieber>	Hm.
May 06 05:56:42 <matthewrbowker>	Matthewedwards: Calm down.  (s)he hasn't started singing, yet.
May 06 05:57:04 <JustinBieber>	Now either that was an exclamation of fear or excitement.
May 06 05:57:04 <Matthewedwards>	baby baby baby oh!
May 06 05:57:21 <Matthewedwards>	lol, fear
May 06 05:57:31 *	matthewrbowker pulls out earplugs and hands them out.
May 06 05:57:31 *	Jwoww is now known as Hermione
May 06 05:57:33 <JustinBieber>	Weird if you hate me, you know the words to the song....
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May 06 05:57:54 <JustinBieber>	Sure you're not a closet-belieber?
May 06 05:57:57 <Matthewedwards>	my son is a belieber
May 06 05:58:00 <Matthewedwards>	he's 7
May 06 05:58:18 <Meepsheep>	Is he curious?
May 06 05:58:19 <Matthewedwards>	I know the words...
May 06 05:58:22 *	Matthewedwards shrugs
May 06 05:58:29 <JustinBieber>	that must be painful for you.
May 06 05:58:40 <JustinBieber>	to have to endure my voice.
May 06 05:58:47 <Matthewedwards>	curious? To what? Painful, yes :)
May 06 05:58:54 <Meepsheep>	Is it a disappointment Matthewedwards?
May 06 05:59:01 <Meepsheep>	Knowing that your son will never reproduce
May 06 05:59:08 <Meepsheep>	and carry out your family name
May 06 05:59:21 <JustinBieber>	So now we're being homophobic?
May 06 05:59:27 <Matthewedwards>	he's 7 you dick
May 06 05:59:37 <Meepsheep>	I am just asking a question
May 06 05:59:42 <Matthewedwards>	and no, it wouldn't bother me one bit if he turned out to be gay
May 06 05:59:49 <Matthewedwards>	I'd be more bothered if he decided to be a cop
May 06 05:59:59 <Meepsheep>	So you are against the police force?
May 06 06:00:12 <Meepsheep>	Those who protect you and your family?
May 06 06:00:14 <Matthewedwards>	certainly the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department
May 06 06:00:21 <Matthewedwards>	they protect shit
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May 06 06:00:36 <Meepsheep>	I get it
May 06 06:00:37 <Matthewedwards>	they ticket for broken taillights, loud exhausts, tassels hanging from rear view mirrors
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May 06 06:00:53 <Hermione>	i like breasts.
May 06 06:01:05 <Matthewedwards>	otherwise they don't do much
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May 06 06:01:09 <Meepsheep>	As well as tracking down murderers, rapists, etc
May 06 06:01:09 <JustinBieber>	Meepsheep: Why are you against homosexuality?
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May 06 06:01:17 <Meepsheep>	JustinBieber, I am not
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May 06 06:01:23 <Matthewedwards>	park their bikes outside Arco stations and eat AMPM burgers
May 06 06:01:32 <Meepsheep>	I am simply asking Matthew what his views on it and his family are
May 06 06:01:59 <JustinBieber>	Well stating that a young child will not reproduce if he listens to Justin Bieber is stating otherwise......
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May 06 06:02:22 <Meepsheep>	Because it is an early sign of homosexual behavior
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May 06 06:03:15 <matthewrbowker>	...that was wrong on so many levels.
May 06 06:03:29 <Meepsheep>	how so?
May 06 06:05:19 <matthewrbowker>	Let's see: Homosexuality, 7 year old boys reproducing, et cetra.
May 06 06:05:34 <catspjs01>	homosexuality is not wrong...
May 06 06:05:47 <Meepsheep>	I never said that
May 06 06:06:07 <catspjs01>	but matthewrbowker just did
May 06 06:06:15 <Meepsheep>	yes he did
May 06 06:06:18 <matthewrbowker>	catspjs01: When associated with 7 year old boys it is :P
May 06 06:06:50 <catspjs01>	I disagree
May 06 06:06:57 <Meepsheep>	but it is the boy's lifestyle choice
May 06 06:07:14 <matthewrbowker>	Hmmm...OK, I concede.
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May 06 06:08:09 <Matthewedwards>	lol, a 7 year old liking Justin Bieber, I'm pretty sure, is not an early sign of homosexuality
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May 06 06:08:44 <Mike_H>	Matthewedwards: I debated whether or not to buy my 88-year-old grandmother a Justin Bieber poster for Mother's Day
May 06 06:08:44 <Meepsheep>	but this is a 7 year old boy
May 06 06:08:45 <matthewrbowker>	If anything, it gives him a talking point with girls (have you seen the size of beiber's female fanbase)
May 06 06:08:45 <Mike_H>	for the lulz
May 06 06:08:52 <Matthewedwards>	I doubt he's even seen what Bieber really looks like considering we don't have TV and we don't let him on the internet
May 06 06:08:56 <catspjs01>	yeah, it really isn't a sign. There are plenty of people who like Justin Bieber who aren't homosexual and plenty who hate him who are
May 06 06:09:22 <Meepsheep>	catspjs01, then good for the gay community for disliking him
May 06 06:09:33 <Matthewedwards>	lol@ Mike_H
May 06 06:09:39 <Mike_H>	I don't think it's a gay thing
May 06 06:09:53 <Mike_H>	because I'd like to think gay people dislike singers with no talent
May 06 06:09:54 <Mike_H>	but then again
May 06 06:09:56 <Matthewedwards>	no, it's pretty much a anybody-over-13 thing
May 06 06:09:57 <Mike_H>	they like Cazwell
May 06 06:09:58 <Mike_H>	so...
May 06 06:10:00 <catspjs01>	Meepsheep: I'm not saying it's a general dislikyness. I'm bi and I can't stand him
May 06 06:10:09 <Meepsheep>	Mike_H, but it could be an early sign for a young boy
May 06 06:10:20 <Mike_H>	if the young boy likes Cazwell, I would be more disturbed
May 06 06:10:29 *	matthewrbowker thinks it all comes down to someone's taste in music, to be honest.
May 06 06:10:31 <Matthewedwards>	meepsheep, you should stop trolling, or trying to troll
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May 06 06:10:51 <Mike_H>	matthewrbowker: lol, "taste" in "music"
May 06 06:10:57 <Meepsheep>	Matthewedwards, I am not. I am engaging in a discussion
May 06 06:11:01 <Mike_H>	that's like admitting that Captain and Tennille were musical geniuses
May 06 06:11:16 <catspjs01>	I think matthewrbowker is correct
May 06 06:11:22 <Mike_H>	and that the Grammy should have went to
May 06 06:11:31 <Mike_H>	SKY ROCKETS IN FLIGHT
May 06 06:11:35 <Mike_H>	AFTERNOON DELIGHT
May 06 06:12:08 <Matthewedwards>	not really. You're saying a young boy, my young boy, is going to turn out gay because he heard Baby Baby Baby and Somebody to Love on the radio a few times and I went out and bought the album for him
May 06 06:12:18 <Matthewedwards>	and you're waiting to get a rise
May 06 06:12:27 <Kafkaesque>	Freddy Mercury makes everyone gay.
May 06 06:12:32 <Mike_H>	I don't know how this conversation started btw.
May 06 06:12:59 <matthewrbowker>	Matthewedwards: I agree, that does seem to be profiling... and kinda mean.
May 06 06:13:02 <catspjs01>	Kafkaesque: how is that a validated statement?
May 06 06:13:04 <Mike_H>	Kafkaesque: Lies. After all, he said fat-bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round.
May 06 06:13:07 <Krimpet>	Well, you're talking about a kid who posed as Justin Bieber online and posted all the contact info of the girls that contacted him. Sounds like a troll to me. :p
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May 06 06:13:25 <Kafkaesque>	catspjs01: Not entirely sure what you mean by that.
May 06 06:13:33 <Mike_H>	Krimpet: Fat-bottomed girls
May 06 06:13:36 <Mike_H>	you make the rockin' world go round.
May 06 06:13:43 <Kafkaesque>	Mike_H: Fine, maybe he makes everyone bi. ;)
May 06 06:13:51 <catspjs01>	Kafkaesque: evidence for how Freddy Mercury makes people gay
May 06 06:13:52 <Kafkaesque>	Bi and BBW.
May 06 06:14:02 <Mike_H>	lol evidence
May 06 06:14:04 <Mike_H>	wtf is this, Judge Judy
May 06 06:14:05 <Kafkaesque>	catspjs01: There isn't evidence, it's a joke.
May 06 06:14:08 <Krimpet>	Mike_H, such a naughty nanny!
May 06 06:14:13 <Mike_H>	Krimpet: <3
May 06 06:14:20 <catspjs01>	Kafkaesque: My bad, read it wrong. Continue :P
May 06 06:14:22 <Matthewedwards>	I <3 that show!
May 06 06:14:28 <Mike_H>	Matthewedwards: MADAM
May 06 06:14:30 <Mike_H>	I AM SPEAKING
May 06 06:14:44 <Matthewedwards>	put your listening ears on!
May 06 06:14:57 <Matthewedwards>	"Um" is not an answer!
May 06 06:14:59 <Mike_H>	I AM SMARTER THAN YOU ON YOUR BEST DAY THAN I AM ON MY WORST DAY!
May 06 06:15:10 <Kafkaesque>	"Continue"? I'll stick to my random and irreverent interjections that go no where and add nothing.
May 06 06:15:22 <catspjs01>	Kafkaesque: Exactly. I approve
May 06 06:15:25 <Matthewedwards>	Don't look over there! The answer isn't on the ceiling! Look at me!
May 06 06:15:33 <catspjs01>	(not, of course, that that matters at all)
May 06 06:15:36 <Matthewedwards>	Mike_H I also like People's Court :/
May 06 06:15:47 <Mike_H>	Matthewedwards: I'm giving you 30 seconds to plead your case. Start...now.
May 06 06:15:53 <Matthewedwards>	"Stick a fork in me I'm done!"
May 06 06:16:02 <Matthewedwards>	"Ching ching, let the cash register ring!"
May 06 06:16:06 <Mike_H>	Matthewedwards: Did you see the clip where Judge Milian went spicy mami on this one defendant
May 06 06:16:21 <Mike_H>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJnA_mt_UA
May 06 06:16:36 <Matthewedwards>	no, we haven't had TV in months and I can't find it on any torrents, public or private
May 06 06:16:52 <Matthewedwards>	or Usenet :(
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May 06 06:28:33 <OdaMari>	Anyone?
May 06 06:28:43 <Matthewedwards>	yo
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May 06 06:28:57 *	matthewrbowker waves to OdaMari.
May 06 06:29:35 <OdaMari>	I have a question about ref.
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May 06 06:30:35 <matthewrbowker>	OdaMari: Go ahead and ask, we're listening :)
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May 06 06:30:46 <OdaMari>	s it OK to use this
May 06 06:30:49 <OdaMari>	http://www.animalstamps.com/akita.htm
May 06 06:30:50 <OdaMari>	as a ref?
May 06 06:30:51 <OdaMari>	this is the edit
May 06 06:30:53 <OdaMari>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Akita&diff=427618100&oldid=427608643#cite_ref-stamps_11-0
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May 06 06:32:12 <OdaMari>	The page says "Buy! Buy! Buy!"
May 06 06:32:14 <OdaMari>	The page is not appropriate as EL. So I thought it should not be used as ref too.
May 06 06:32:15 <OdaMari>	 
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May 06 06:40:39 <Shirik>	does anyone here know russian? Google translate translated something to "fuck you would still LULLABY SUPPLY!" and I really want to know what it's supposed to say now
May 06 06:40:55 <Matthewedwards>	OdaMari, what exactly on the page is being used as the reference?
May 06 06:41:14 <Matthewedwards>	Shirik, go to #wikipedia-ru they speak English in there, somewhat
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May 06 06:43:22 <OdaMari>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Akita#Akitas_Elsewhere
May 06 06:43:24 <OdaMari>	the last sentense of Akitas Elsewhere section.
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May 06 06:46:23 <Shirik>	holy crap
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May 06 06:46:38 <Shirik>	Sony just bought a $1 million per person identity theft insurance policy
May 06 06:46:54 <matthewrbowker>	O.O
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May 06 06:46:59 <Matthewedwards>	ah. I would say it's not a RS. Looks like a fansite.
May 06 06:47:27 <Matthewedwards>	[[Stanley Gibbons]] produce books about what stamps have been released in different countries. Those would be RSes
May 06 06:47:29 <Ktr101>	Matthewedwards: supposedly they are about to be hacked again
May 06 06:47:29 <Shirik>	http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/05/a-letter-from-howard-stringer/
May 06 06:47:43 <Matthewedwards>	huh? Who?
May 06 06:50:24 <OdaMari>	it's appropriate to replace the EL with "citation needed"?
May 06 06:51:06 <Ktr101>	oh, thought you were talking about the sony thing Matthewedwards
May 06 06:51:18 <Matthewedwards>	ah, no
May 06 06:52:55 <Matthewedwards>	OdaMari: leave a message on the talk page.. check back in about a week. If it's still there, remove it and tag the sentence with {{cn}} or {{fact}} whatever
May 06 06:54:11 <OdaMari>	OK.. Thank you. Have a good day!
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May 06 07:29:05 <Headbomb|Laptop>	I AM GALBATOR THE MIGHTY
May 06 07:29:09 <Headbomb|Laptop>	BOW BEFORE ME!
May 06 07:29:53 <closedmouth>	nah
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May 06 07:33:48 <MuZemike>	Wow
May 06 07:33:54 *	Courcelles (~chatzilla@wikipedia/courcelles) has left #wikipedia-en
May 06 07:34:05 <MuZemike>	And I thought I was the drunk one
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May 06 07:38:02 <Headbomb|Laptop>	not drunk
May 06 07:38:06 <Headbomb|Laptop>	possessed by a demon
May 06 07:38:10 <Headbomb|Laptop>	not the same hting
May 06 07:38:12 <Headbomb|Laptop>	thing
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May 06 07:39:04 <Ironholds>	I hate essays
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May 06 07:40:41 <MuZemike>	Well, there goes WP:HAMMER
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May 06 07:41:09 <closedmouth>	where did it go
May 06 07:41:10 <Headbomb|Laptop>	stupid laptop
May 06 07:41:16 <Headbomb|Laptop>	what did it miss?
May 06 07:41:24 <killiondude>	down the WP:DRAIN
May 06 07:41:59 <Headbomb|Laptop>	great, now there's a WP:HAMMER in my WP:SOUP
May 06 07:42:09 <MuZemike>	Just like [[WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT]], when those who can read into others' minds what they *really* think about an article which they want to keep but don't really give two shits about.
May 06 07:42:48 <MuZemike>	i.e. "I don't think this is true" is interpreted as "I don't like it".
May 06 07:43:42 <Headbomb|Laptop>	most epic IDONTLIKE i saw was for our [[particle]] article
May 06 07:43:51 <Headbomb|Laptop>	weirdest deletion discussion in the world
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May 06 07:44:33 <Headbomb|Laptop>	yes, you read that right, someone wanted to delete the article on particles
May 06 07:45:37 <Headbomb|Laptop>	said it was not notable/verifiable/covered in reliable sources
May 06 07:46:02 <MuZemike>	"Strongest possible keep and rescue. The nomination is a prime example of a bad idea, reckless, and a sign of why our Civilization is slouching towards Jerusalem."
May 06 07:46:14 <MuZemike>	That admin needs to take a wikibreak.
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May 06 07:48:11 <MuZemike>	Of course, some have absolutely no knowledge about something but instead !vote to "keep" per political motivations (same with "delete").
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May 06 07:48:43 <MuZemike>	Obviously, this was not the case, but there are others in which this would apply.
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May 06 07:49:47 <LauraHale>	Does anyone have an example of a good fair use rationale?
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May 06 07:50:11 <MuZemike>	Images in many articles in [[WP:VG/FA]]
May 06 07:51:24 <MuZemike>	About 95% of the images in that project are non-free and require a fair-use rationale.
May 06 07:52:15 <Headbomb|Laptop>	LauraHale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Charmed-dia-w.png
May 06 07:52:51 <LauraHale>	Headbomb: Thank you.
May 06 07:53:28 <MuZemike>	Shouldn't there be a license there or something? (not that it can't be easily added if there if one)
May 06 07:54:15 <killiondude>	Yes, that seems to be missing a license template.
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May 06 07:54:49 <MuZemike>	Yeah, but there should be one out there, though.
May 06 07:56:05 <closedmouth>	LauraHale: what kind of image is it for? because there are lots of boilerplates for logos and book covers and such
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May 06 07:58:08 <Ironholds>	*sigh*
May 06 07:58:22 <Ironholds>	tonight I can write articles. finally.
May 06 07:58:58 <Bejinhan>	this discussion is making causing me to o.O http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GoodDay#Pippa_Middleton
May 06 07:59:23 <Bejinhan>	*causing
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May 06 08:01:19 <LauraHale>	Ironholds: Congrats? :)
May 06 08:01:45 <MuZemike>	FWIW, this thing with Jack Merridew is making causing me to o_0
May 06 08:02:23 <Bejinhan>	MuZemike: :P
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May 06 08:03:00 <MuZemike>	But then again, anything that involves "party votes" (i.e. voting strictly across inclusionist or deletionist lines) also makes me o_0
May 06 08:03:50 <MuZemike>	And it makes me want to get several beers and drown myself, honestly.
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May 06 08:07:55 <WhatIfReally>	Were there any female classical music composers?????
May 06 08:08:18 <WhatIfReally>	A lot of us would wish to throw Rebecca Black back to [[1811]] and STRAND her there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP887IpQL00
May 06 08:08:47 <closedmouth>	is that a serious question?
May 06 08:08:49 *	MuZemike requests consensus to go to the bathroom
May 06 08:09:00 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Women_classical_composers
May 06 08:09:01 <WhatIfReally>	She'd be considered a resounding child prodigy, and out-meme Beethoven...
May 06 08:09:05 <closedmouth>	or are you just spamming your shitty youtube video
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May 06 08:09:26 <WhatIfReally>	lol no spam; I was blown away by the classicalized rendition of her hated song.
May 06 08:10:21 <WhatIfReally>	killiondude: No recognized names. WHich one's most famous?
May 06 08:10:35 <killiondude>	no idea.
May 06 08:11:01 <WhatIfReally>	Even though Mozart was known as a resounding prodigy, he'd be taken for granted if he was around as a kid today, like Bieber & Black.
May 06 08:12:06 <WhatIfReally>	And if Bieber was thrown back 200 years, this would be it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5YkFJJLALo&feature=channel_video_title
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May 06 08:13:08 <WhatIfReally>	lol, you just got rickrolled...
May 06 08:13:52 <WhatIfReally>	here, for real now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4025NW_g_Gs
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May 06 08:14:36 <killiondude>	i am really interested in all these youtube videos
May 06 08:14:42 <killiondude>	i have clicked them all
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May 06 08:19:05 <closedmouth>	he's being sarcastic, i think
May 06 08:19:17 <closedmouth>	killiondude: are you being sarcastic? i can't tell
May 06 08:19:58 <killiondude>	why would i be sarcastic to this nice fellow
May 06 08:20:05 <killiondude>	banish the thought
May 06 08:20:34 <closedmouth>	holdin back the yeeeears
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May 06 08:24:22 <Headbomb|Laptop>	"Every team in Major League Baseball uses Baseball Rubbing Mud to rub their balls in before their pitchers use them in games.[2]"
May 06 08:24:24 <Headbomb|Laptop>	lmao
May 06 08:24:47 <kisuke>	... well thats definatly a double entendre...
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May 06 08:29:58 <Headbomb|Laptop>	"In 2005, the remains of the ball were used by the restaurant in a pasta sauce. While no part of the ball itself was in the sauce, the ball was boiled and the steam captured, distilled, and added to the final concoction."
May 06 08:30:00 <Headbomb|Laptop>	WTF
May 06 08:30:24 <closedmouth>	v_v
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May 06 08:31:14 <TBloemink>	great
May 06 08:31:16 <TBloemink>	oh
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May 06 08:32:19 <LauraHale>	Is the Republican debate worth watching?
May 06 08:32:39 <closedmouth>	hell no
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May 06 08:33:12 <LauraHale>	Good to know.
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May 06 08:33:53 <closedmouth>	just watch the daily show/colbert for the highlights
May 06 08:36:07 <kisuke>	*shudder* politics
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May 06 08:39:37 <WhatIfReally>	Headbomb|Laptop: Is that "lucky" mud? Or does it give functional value?
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May 06 08:42:42 <Headbomb|Laptop>	WhatIfReally: i'm no expert, but the article seems to say it's to give the ball a grip, and remove some of the shine
May 06 08:42:59 <WhatIfReally>	Headbomb|Laptop: Why not keep the shine?
May 06 08:43:11 <Headbomb|Laptop>	glare, i would assume
May 06 08:43:21 <kisuke>	WhatIfReally: make the ball marginally harder to see
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May 06 08:43:25 <closedmouth>	wind resistance
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May 06 08:43:47 <closedmouth>	well, not wind, obviously
May 06 08:44:53 <killiondude>	closedmouth broke wind
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May 06 09:01:14 <RudyValencia>	Why is the "Yorkie" candy bar "not for girls"?
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May 06 09:02:48 <closedmouth>	something chauvinistic
May 06 09:03:34 <foks>	RudyValencia, long-time ad campaign
May 06 09:04:28 <RudyValencia>	does it have something in it to keep girls from eating it?
May 06 09:04:42 <foks>	No.
May 06 09:04:50 <foks>	It's just tougher than a Dairy Milk.
May 06 09:04:52 <foks>	:D
May 06 09:04:55 <RudyValencia>	Okay.
May 06 09:05:13 <RudyValencia>	And Dairy Milk is like a Hershey bar in the US?
May 06 09:05:16 <foks>	It was targeted at men
May 06 09:05:20 <foks>	...huh
May 06 09:05:28 *	foks googles Hershey
May 06 09:05:48 <RudyValencia>	http://hersheys.com
May 06 09:05:49 <foks>	...Yeah
May 06 09:05:54 <foks>	I think so
May 06 09:05:55 <RudyValencia>	ok
May 06 09:06:00 <foks>	It's by Cadbury
May 06 09:06:33 <RudyValencia>	ah
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May 06 09:06:53 <Pesky>	Hi hoooooo!
May 06 09:06:56 <foks>	o/
May 06 09:07:00 <Pesky>	[cue music]
May 06 09:07:01 <RudyValencia>	I see, so it's just a more robust candy bar so they claim "it's not for girls", but girls can eat it if they so choose. okay.
May 06 09:07:37 <Pesky>	Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to [forbidden word] we go ….
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May 06 09:08:57 <foks>	RudyValencia, yes. It's an ad campaign.
May 06 09:09:08 <Pesky>	Yorkie?
May 06 09:09:10 <foks>	It's just a gimmick
May 06 09:09:12 <foks>	Yeah.
May 06 09:09:19 <RudyValencia>	oh
May 06 09:09:23 <foks>	Yorkies are lovely though
May 06 09:09:24 <foks>	:3
May 06 09:09:28 <Pesky>	Too trye!
May 06 09:09:30 <Pesky>	true
May 06 09:09:32 <foks>	Not so much now they're lighter
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May 06 09:09:45 <Pesky>	I wish they'd invent a really dark chocolate Yorkie
May 06 09:09:51 <RudyValencia>	the 'military' version in rations says "not for civvies" :P
May 06 09:11:42 <foks>	Pesky, that would be, like, the most expensive sweet in the world
May 06 09:11:43 <Pesky>	Tremendous energy source if you're doing hard physical work all day
May 06 09:12:25 <Pesky>	I'm sure there'd be some more expensive 'luxury' chocolatiers' confection somewhere
May 06 09:12:40 <RudyValencia>	hehe I love chocolate
May 06 09:12:54 <Pesky>	Chocolate is brain food
May 06 09:13:20 <Pesky>	Theobromine + caffeine = good stuff
May 06 09:14:20 <Pesky>	Does anyone remember Irish Coffee Chocolate (in the kinda dusky pink coloured wrapper)
May 06 09:15:15 <Pesky>	… made with real Irish whiskey … mmmmmmmmm
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May 06 09:25:15 <RudyValencia>	Theobromine would not be good for my chihuahuas
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May 06 09:44:44 <Pesky>	RudyValencia: This is why chocolate is toxic to canines
May 06 09:45:11 <Pesky>	… and chocolate is a 'banned substance' for competition horses
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May 06 09:46:57 <Hedgehog456>	My dog loves chocolate
May 06 09:47:05 <Hedgehog456>	And I'm pretty sure she isn't dead
May 06 09:47:34 <Pesky>	Some canines tolerate it better than others; 'toxic' also doesn't always mean 'fatal' (though it can be)
May 06 09:47:52 <Pesky>	Alcohol is toxic …  but not usually fatal
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May 06 09:57:23 <Hedgehog456>	if (family['dog'].isDead = true) { me.action['mourn']; }
May 06 09:58:02 <Hedgehog456>	else { me.action['hug'](family['dog']) }
May 06 09:58:24 <Hedgehog456>	:P
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May 06 09:58:39 *	killiondude blinks.
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May 06 09:59:56 <wctaiwan>	Hedgehog456: you're always going to be mourning. Check your code.
May 06 10:00:19 <wctaiwan>	also, what language is that? It's C-derived and has associative arrays, but what is it
May 06 10:00:38 <Pesky>	My younger son's puppy is really cute - he was playing with out big GSD-type yesterday
May 06 10:00:46 <Pesky>	… he's about knee high on her!
May 06 10:01:00 <killiondude>	love that dog
May 06 10:01:09 <Pesky>	Which one?
May 06 10:01:12 <killiondude>	python?
May 06 10:01:17 <killiondude>	[[Love That Dog]]
May 06 10:01:21 <Pesky>	Oh, OK
May 06 10:01:46 <killiondude>	Huh. I didn't realize Creech wrote that.
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May 06 10:02:49 <Hedgehog456>	It's a completely made up language
May 06 10:03:53 <Hedgehog456>	that basically bans everyone from this channel :D
May 06 10:04:29 <Hedgehog456>	wctaiwan: The code is fine
May 06 10:05:09 <wctaiwan>	doesn't look like python killiondude, python is strictly typed
May 06 10:05:29 <wctaiwan>	wait no, wrong.
May 06 10:05:42 <wctaiwan>	not strictly / strongly typed. That spacing thingy
May 06 10:06:18 <wctaiwan>	Hedgehog456: how do you differentiate between assignment and equality check?
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May 06 10:06:59 <Hedgehog456>	wctaiwan: That'll be for Version 2
May 06 10:07:04 <wctaiwan>	-_-
May 06 10:07:08 <Hedgehog456>	:P
May 06 10:07:12 <Hedgehog456>	I forgot that
May 06 10:07:28 <Hedgehog456>	Just throw check() around the thing you need to check
May 06 10:07:37 <Hedgehog456>	and set() around things you need to set
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May 06 10:12:17 <wctaiwan>	Hedgehog456: I'm sorry, but have you ever seen a language like that? No? Because that's just impractical.
May 06 10:12:34 <Hedgehog456>	:P
May 06 10:12:42 <Hedgehog456>	'twas a joke language
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May 06 10:46:10 <Qcoder00>	Morning?
May 06 10:46:19 <Qcoder00>	Any objections to updgrading old FUR's?
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May 06 10:54:44 <Qcoder00>	Morning
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May 06 11:08:45 <Qcoder00>	Hi
May 06 11:08:49 <Qcoder00>	techie question
May 06 11:09:06 <Qcoder00>	Is there a shortform template param that puts your user name into a page?
May 06 11:09:17 <Qcoder00>	like {{PAGENAME}} does for page names?
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May 06 11:11:51 <barts1a>	~~~~
May 06 11:11:54 <mabdul>	lol
May 06 11:12:29 <Qcoder00>	barts1a:  See - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Add-author-I&action=edit
May 06 11:12:57 <Qcoder00>	I am trying to put in a recomended form that users can use in conjunction with a subst of {{usernameexpand}}
May 06 11:13:24 *	barts1a wonders why 
May 06 11:13:30 <barts1a>	AARG!
May 06 11:13:37 *	LFThis (46b3a973@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.179.169.115) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 11:13:39 <LFThis>	HELLO?
May 06 11:13:46 *	barts1a wonders why Qcoder doesn't just use ~~~~
May 06 11:13:55 <Qcoder00>	barts1a:  because I wasn;t sure how to code it
May 06 11:13:56 <barts1a>	LFThis. Hello to you too
May 06 11:13:56 <Qcoder00>	;)
May 06 11:14:18 <Qcoder00>	If you know a way to achieve what you think i am trying to do , go to it :)
May 06 11:14:36 <LFThis>	I am looking for a story that involves a child who, through a "spell" (or something to that effect), no longer ages, hence stays a child. (But keeps learning.) S/he lives through many decades. What stories fit that description?
May 06 11:14:38 <barts1a>	There is already a way. ~~~~
May 06 11:14:49 <barts1a>	Peter Pan\
May 06 11:14:51 <Qcoder00>	barts1a:  Yes, but that signs...
May 06 11:14:53 <LFThis>	I'd love to read what a child would be like if s/he was 110 but still looked 10.
May 06 11:14:54 <barts1a>	*Peter Pan
May 06 11:15:07 <barts1a>	that's the closest I know
May 06 11:15:08 <Qcoder00>	barts1a: All I need is the user name , NOT the date
May 06 11:15:08 <LFThis>	barts1a: Sorry, but is there a sequel book that takes place in modern times?
May 06 11:15:16 <LFThis>	Is PP a series?
May 06 11:15:18 <barts1a>	not AFAIK
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May 06 11:15:28 <Qcoder00>	LFThis:  There are some 'sequels' to Peter Pan'
May 06 11:15:35 <Qcoder00>	but it's not a series
May 06 11:15:39 <LFThis>	I knew that he didn't *wanna* grow up but did he succeed in not (physically) growing up?
May 06 11:15:42 <ftwtf>	http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/06/us-binladen-pakistan-photos-idUSTRE7450G720110506 <-- What's the deal with this?  Is it just me, or is there no 'module to the left' to be found?
May 06 11:15:47 <ftwtf>	it says to see th epics using the module on the left but i can't find one.
May 06 11:16:10 <oona>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_immortals
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May 06 11:17:43 <LFThis>	(there's gotta be something more modern than Pan.)
May 06 11:17:49 <wctaiwan>	ftwtf: at least reuters has the dignity to say they bought the pictures outright.
May 06 11:18:02 <barts1a>	http://www.orbiter-forum.com/gallery/data/573/fail.jpg
May 06 11:19:12 <LFThis>	Ah, I found [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] but I wish there was a film form of it. At least it takes place in an era of motorized transport.
May 06 11:19:42 <LFThis>	Now if only I could find an audio version of this book; an e-book or some electronic form. (I hate hoarding paper in my 1-bedroom.)
May 06 11:20:09 <barts1a>	LFThis maybe head to #books or something?
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May 06 11:21:34 <LFThis>	only 4 in there, including me, Barras[away]
May 06 11:21:41 <LFThis>	barts1a even
May 06 11:22:04 <ftwtf>	yeah, but i can't find the pictures, whether they admit to having bought them or not.
May 06 11:22:18 <ftwtf>	how do you view/access them at all, wctaiwan?
May 06 11:22:32 <wctaiwan>	ftwtf: Can't see them either.
May 06 11:22:36 <Barras[away]>	?
May 06 11:23:23 <ftwtf>	wctaiwan: that's weird.
May 06 11:23:30 <wctaiwan>	yeah
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May 06 11:26:30 <Hedgehog456>	Compiler error: 'Barras' is not a valid class, please create class. Wrong type of array input in class Barras (exist = no)
May 06 11:26:52 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 06 11:27:01 <Hedgehog456>	wctaiwan: Why I agree with you
May 06 11:27:14 <wctaiwan>	what?
May 06 11:27:42 <Hedgehog456>	The language I made was rubbish :D
May 06 11:27:51 <wctaiwan>	lol
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May 06 11:28:39 <alyxuk>	[11:15:47] <ftwtf> it says to see th epics using the module on the left but i can't find one. << Same.
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May 06 11:29:05 <alyxuk>	just checked source code
May 06 11:29:08 <alyxuk>	the module IS in there....
May 06 11:30:09 <alyxuk>	or not
May 06 11:30:59 <wctaiwan>	maybe one needs to be logged in?
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May 06 11:32:08 <wctaiwan>	rotten daisies and poopy bunnies, oh joy
May 06 11:32:13 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 06 11:32:23 <Hedgehog456>	They're fresh
May 06 11:32:31 <wctaiwan>	what, the poop?
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May 06 12:25:17 <Ironholds>	foks, I've worked out how to murder prince charles and get away with it
May 06 12:25:30 <Fluff|sleep>	...
May 06 12:25:40 <Ironholds>	he believes in homeopathy. I drown him
May 06 12:25:45 <foks>	Sweet
May 06 12:25:50 <foks>	Need help?
May 06 12:25:52 <foks>	:3
May 06 12:25:55 <Ironholds>	now, either he's right, in which case he's not dead because all the water is now prince charles
May 06 12:26:21 <Ironholds>	or he's wrong, in which case he can't be the heir to the throne, representative-of-god-divine-right-always-correct-so-on, and thus murdering him isn't treason
May 06 12:26:36 <Hedgehog456>	But it's still murder
May 06 12:27:18 <foks>	Oh Ironholds.
May 06 12:27:50 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: irrelevant
May 06 12:27:50 <Hedgehog456>	Actually, it isn't ;-)
May 06 12:27:56 <Ironholds>	oh?
May 06 12:28:03 <Hedgehog456>	Your reasoning is correct
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May 06 12:28:12 <Hedgehog456>	If he is right, he has become the water
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May 06 12:28:44 <Hedgehog456>	Apart from all his mental functions failing, he is still alive :D
May 06 12:28:47 <Ironholds>	but not-guilty-of-treason != not-guilty-of-murder ;p
May 06 12:29:22 <Hedgehog456>	Yes, but the Queen won't be happy
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May 06 12:34:09 <Hedgehog456>	X=-D
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May 06 12:55:23 <Ironholds>	hahah, I love b3ta
May 06 12:55:30 <Ironholds>	"worst relationship"
May 06 12:55:40 <Ironholds>	"I dated a wizard and the bitch ran off with my spellbook!"
May 06 12:55:44 <Ironholds>	"all the magic was gone :("
May 06 12:58:19 <Theo10011>	meh
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May 06 12:59:51 <alyxuk>	lol
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May 06 13:26:15 <tommorris>	any chance of an admin userfying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_people_who_dedicate_their_work_to_the_public_domain for me? I'd like to read it. ;-)
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May 06 13:34:52 <foks>	tommorris, I can email it?
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May 06 13:38:01 <tommorris>	foks: yep, that'd be great
May 06 13:38:07 <tommorris>	tom@tommorris.org
May 06 13:38:18 *	Fluffernutter quickly stalks & spams
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May 06 13:38:39 <Fluffernutter>	didn't your mama every tell you not to share your email address with strangers, young man?
May 06 13:39:45 <foks>	There's not much to the article to be fair
May 06 13:39:46 <foks>	But that's it sent
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May 06 13:40:31 <tommorris>	meh
May 06 13:40:37 <tommorris>	thanks foks
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May 06 13:40:46 <foks>	tommorris, not at all
May 06 13:41:02 *	Pesky returns from replanting jungles in kitchen and bathroom
May 06 13:41:04 <foks>	Wish I'd taken my iPod to charge.
May 06 13:41:08 <foks>	):
May 06 13:41:12 <tommorris>	oh bollocks. Two entries? That sucks.
May 06 13:41:26 <foks>	Also, I should probably get foxwiki-at-hotmail.com or something
May 06 13:41:32 <foks>	arsed though
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May 06 13:41:59 <tommorris>	I should probably start pointing people towards wikimedia@tommorris.org instead
May 06 13:42:06 *	tommorris loves having his own domain name
May 06 13:42:30 *	tommorris gets back to writing "Khan Academy is an iPad-shitting unicorn"
May 06 13:42:49 <foks>	I have my own domain
May 06 13:42:53 <foks>	I have about five or six
May 06 13:43:00 <foks>	But I don't have mailboxes for them :P
May 06 13:43:01 *	Fluffernutter has none
May 06 13:43:07 <Pesky>	hmmmm … mother is just trying to work out why dogs can't give blood to people, even though they can be blood donors for other dogs ...
May 06 13:43:12 <foks>	joe@fox.so would be awesome though
May 06 13:43:25 <foks>	Pesky, *pet pet*
May 06 13:43:32 <Pesky>	… the joys of early dementia ….
May 06 13:43:47 <foks>	):
May 06 13:43:49 *	Pesky greets foks with wolfy licky waggy-tail greeting
May 06 13:43:59 <foks>	:3
May 06 13:44:30 *	Pesky notices that Ironholds is hiding behind a piece of furniture ….. I shall wait … we wolves are good at that ...
May 06 13:44:43 <Bejinhan>	Ironholds is a...?
May 06 13:44:53 <foks>	cock
May 06 13:44:55 <foks>	<3
May 06 13:44:59 <Pesky>	nonono ….. Pesky wolf, Ironholds plaything :o)
May 06 13:45:59 <Fluffernutter>	lol
May 06 13:46:00 <Pesky>	fluffy hairy plaything …..
May 06 13:46:14 <Fluffernutter>	hey foks/tommorris, how did the elections play out?
May 06 13:46:24 <foks>	The Scottish ones? Not well.
May 06 13:46:31 <foks>	The English ones? No idea.
May 06 13:47:06 *	Ironholds returns
May 06 13:47:11 <Pesky>	yaaay!
May 06 13:47:15 <Pesky>	Wheeeeeeee!
May 06 13:47:22 <Ironholds>	english ones = bad
May 06 13:47:31 *	Pesky does flying across-room leapy tackle-hung on Ironholds
May 06 13:47:46 <Pesky>	licky licky nibbly-flear-hunt lick lick lick
May 06 13:47:56 <foks>	The fucking nationalists have a majority now
May 06 13:47:56 *	Pesky washes Ironholds  ears and eyes
May 06 13:47:59 *	tommorris feels slightly disturbed
May 06 13:48:01 <Bejinhan>	but the tories and lib dems are still in power, aren't they?
May 06 13:48:07 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris, as well you should
May 06 13:48:15 <foks>	The English elections were purely for councils
May 06 13:48:19 <foks>	Bejinhan, ^
May 06 13:48:23 *	Pesky has Ironholds pinned to floor, forepaws on hair ……
May 06 13:48:31 <Hedgehog456>	...
May 06 13:48:40 <Bejinhan>	Pesky is an unusual grandmother
May 06 13:48:43 <Bejinhan>	:D
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May 06 13:48:44 <foks>	The Scottish ones, however, were for the devolved government.
May 06 13:48:51 *	Pesky is a were human
May 06 13:49:05 <Hedgehog456>	Yes, now please get into the van.
May 06 13:49:06 <Bejinhan>	foks: that means the national government isn't affected?
May 06 13:49:14 <Pesky>	Ironholds: , have you  not noticed you have a large wold lying on your chest, gazing affectionately into your eyes?
May 06 13:49:18 <Pesky>	*wolf
May 06 13:49:36 <foks>	Bejinhan, the United Kingdom one is not, but it properly gauged public opinion of the coalition
May 06 13:49:38 <Hedgehog456>	Whenever you do that he /dies/
May 06 13:49:53 <Pesky>	no, he doesn't die ….
May 06 13:50:03 <Hedgehog456>	He vanishes
May 06 13:50:04 <Pesky>	He is just overwhelmed with it all
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May 06 13:50:10 <Hedgehog456>	I imagine so
May 06 13:50:18 <Bejinhan>	foks: ah i see
May 06 13:50:26 <Pesky>	No, he loves it really.  Ironholds  /likes/ intelligent, dominant females , hur hur hur
May 06 13:50:39 <foks>	The Scottish government, Bejinhan, was decided completely
May 06 13:50:41 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: :-D
May 06 13:50:46 <foks>	And it's a majority for the SNP.
May 06 13:50:54 <Ironholds>	Pesky: affectionately?
May 06 13:50:55 <Bejinhan>	foks: was there a change of government?
May 06 13:50:55 <Ironholds>	BAD TOUCH
May 06 13:50:58 <Pesky>	yes
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May 06 13:51:01 <Ironholds>	my heart already belongs to someone else
May 06 13:51:05 <Pesky>	licklicklick
May 06 13:51:08 <Ironholds>	and when I find out who she is, I'm THERE dammit.
May 06 13:51:21 <Pesky>	I don;'t mind sharing you
May 06 13:51:23 <foks>	Bejinhan, SNP had a minority, now a majority
May 06 13:51:40 *	Fluffernutter grins, hugs Pesky
May 06 13:51:48 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: I stole your heart on the 5th April. I then sold it at auction. Don't you remember? Haven't you got logs? :D
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May 06 13:51:58 <Bejinhan>	foks: oh okay. so a change in government. interesting.
May 06 13:52:00 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: go marvel at [[Kaycee Nicole]]
May 06 13:52:00 *	Pesky transfers manic wolfly greeting to Fluffernutter  and lets Ironholds get back up off floor
May 06 13:52:01 <Hedgehog456>	Luckily I bought the heart back.
May 06 13:52:23 <Hedgehog456>	It was all a trick to escape the collapse of Lloyds TSB. Which never happened.
May 06 13:52:24 *	Fluffernutter misses her dog; will settle for a manic wolf in the meantime
May 06 13:52:35 *	Hedgehog456 gives Ironholds his heart back
May 06 13:52:47 <Qcoder00>	Hmm
May 06 13:52:49 <Pesky>	Fluffernutter: gets face thoroughly wasjed by said wolf
May 06 13:52:51 <Qcoder00>	Afternoon
May 06 13:53:03 *	Pesky sneaks up and grabs Ironholds  heart while he isn;t looking
May 06 13:53:07 *	Qcoder00 curtsies for Pesky and Fluffernutter
May 06 13:53:17 *	Pesky hugs Qcoder00 
May 06 13:53:38 <Qcoder00>	Probably will not be on IRC much soon
May 06 13:53:51 <Qcoder00>	Garden needs major flamethrower action
May 06 13:53:51 *	Pesky will hide Ironholds ' heart in den ……
May 06 13:53:55 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: http://www.enciclopedia.com.pt/images/lobo_iberico.jpg
May 06 13:54:10 <Pesky>	Ahhhh, Iberian wolves are gorgeous
May 06 13:54:31 <foks>	Wolves wouldn't think twice about ripping your face off.
May 06 13:54:40 <foks>	I'm not getting why people are so attached ):
May 06 13:54:53 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: saw it
May 06 13:55:10 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I'm not getting shared, dammit
May 06 13:55:10 <Pesky>	Wolves will accept anyone who fits into the pack
May 06 13:55:18 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  yes, you are
May 06 13:55:20 <Ironholds>	I will find a woman who loves and respects me and I will settle down with her, and only her
May 06 13:55:27 <Ironholds>	not for long, mind you, because glaucoma is curable
May 06 13:55:32 <Pesky>	But what will you do until then?
May 06 13:55:35 <Ironholds>	but I'm sure I'll be happy for a bit
May 06 13:55:45 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I'm 20 and for some reason weird women like me
May 06 13:55:53 *	Fluffernutter snorts
May 06 13:55:56 <Ironholds>	have massive amounts of emotionless sex with people I don't respect, of course
May 06 13:56:01 <Fluffernutter>	i'm sure you'll grow out of it
May 06 13:56:08 <Pesky>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Raven_Greeting.jpg = Pesky-type wolf
May 06 13:56:57 <Pesky>	Jeeze, that means you are younger than my youngest offspring …. fortunately age is irrelevat.  ?Within limits.
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May 06 13:57:33 <Pesky>	Sex without affection is not worth it
May 06 13:58:17 <Qcoder00>	I was saying there needs to be more 'free' (GNU sense) love than  yet more 'FREE SEX !! XXX ' :(
May 06 13:58:25 <Pesky>	Fluffernutter: I'm sure he's lying ……
May 06 13:58:39 <Fluffernutter>	about women liking him?
May 06 13:58:54 <Pesky>	no, about the massive amounts of emotionless sex
May 06 13:59:04 <tommorris>	Affectionless sex seems like a perfectly pleasant way of passing one's time. Makes a break from editing Wikipedia.
May 06 13:59:18 <Pesky>	But you have to be able to laugh with each other ….
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May 06 13:59:33 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: there's a difference, in my mind, between loveless sex (fine) and affectionless sex (awkward)
May 06 13:59:35 <Qcoder00>	Emotionless sex is bad
May 06 13:59:37 <Pesky>	It's good to be friends, at least
May 06 13:59:52 <Qcoder00>	Without emotion , you loose the meaning
May 06 13:59:57 <Pesky>	Sex-with-genuine-affection is so much better
May 06 14:00:04 <foks>	"loose"
May 06 14:00:22 <Fluffernutter>	sex doesn't have to have meaning every time, Qcoder00
May 06 14:00:34 <Pesky>	Emotionless sex, you might just as well have an inflatable
May 06 14:00:56 <Hedgehog456>	if (people['random-woman']['beautiful']['remotely'] = true) { me['action']['sex'](people['random-woman']) }
May 06 14:01:01 <Pesky>	.. they don;t nag, or expect much from you.  And they nver want to chat after sex
May 06 14:01:01 <Qcoder00>	Given the way some MEN treat thier sexual partners, perhaps they'd be better WITH an inflatable....
May 06 14:01:07 <Fluffernutter>	well, with emotionless sex, you're a lot less likely to be invested in whether your partner has a good time. which can tend to make things awkward
May 06 14:01:08 <Hedgehog456>	emotionless sex, in some cases ^^^
May 06 14:01:15 <Pesky>	Have you heard Tim Minchin on that one?
May 06 14:01:21 <Qcoder00>	.. I mean you don't have to hide the bruising on an inflatable....
May 06 14:01:21 <Ironholds>	Pesky: inflatable you? :p
May 06 14:01:26 <Hedgehog456>	the if... then statement
May 06 14:01:26 <Pesky>	Yup, that's the one!
May 06 14:01:30 <Pesky>	Brill!
May 06 14:01:37 <Fluffernutter>	inflatable wolf sex doll
May 06 14:01:38 <Fluffernutter>	?
May 06 14:01:45 <Qcoder00>	:O
May 06 14:01:45 <Hedgehog456>	...:P
May 06 14:02:00 <Qcoder00>	Fluffernutter:  If you can get inflatable sheep....
May 06 14:02:05 <Fluffernutter>	lol
May 06 14:02:35 <Ironholds>	aanyway
May 06 14:02:37 <Pesky>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6raVzrbqrM
May 06 14:02:46 <Ironholds>	emotionless sex is fine
May 06 14:02:47 <tommorris>	oh god, I've just Googled [ inflatable sheep sex doll ]
May 06 14:02:47 <Qcoder00>	And from a linquistic point of view , a 'wolf' used to be a term for a predatory male....
May 06 14:02:54 <Ironholds>	as long as both parties know what it is
May 06 14:02:56 <Qcoder00>	*linquistic
May 06 14:03:00 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: did it not occur to you that that might not be great?
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May 06 14:03:02 <tommorris>	http://www.bachelorettepartydolls.com/inflatable-sheep-doll.html
May 06 14:03:04 <Ironholds>	and I don't end up with a girl screwing me three times and deciding she loves me and then fleein
May 06 14:03:06 <Ironholds>	*g
May 06 14:03:08 <Qcoder00>	*linguistic even
May 06 14:03:19 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: The CIA will come for you
May 06 14:03:25 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: now, now. you can hardly draw a trend from that happening once.
May 06 14:03:26 <tommorris>	I should have bought one of those in Amsterdam. Would have been a great way to smuggle weed. ;-)
May 06 14:03:34 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  :O
May 06 14:03:39 <Pesky>	Ironholds: you just need to find the right sex-buddy
May 06 14:03:43 <tommorris>	customs would never look inside an inflatable sheep sex doll
May 06 14:03:43 <Qcoder00>	You are not seriously considering that?
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May 06 14:03:49 <tommorris>	heh
May 06 14:03:50 <Qcoder00>	Oh really?
May 06 14:04:05 <Ironholds>	Pesky: unfortunately I'm stuck in a perpetual dichotomy
May 06 14:04:07 <tommorris>	except, you know, if you are stupid enough to talk about it on a public IRC channel first. ;-)
May 06 14:04:12 <Qcoder00>	UK Customs have been rumoured to look absolutely anywehere
May 06 14:04:12 <Pesky>	Have you tried Vaseline
May 06 14:04:17 <Ironholds>	Pesky: touche
May 06 14:04:20 <Pesky>	lol
May 06 14:04:24 *	tommorris has no intention of smuggling controlled substances in to the United Kingdom, let alone in a sex doll.
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May 06 14:04:46 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: they felt up Ironholds's hair, what makes you think they won't grope your sheep
May 06 14:04:53 <Qcoder00>	Pesky:  If you don't use Vaseline, don't be suprised if you and your girlfriend somke after a heavy session ;)
May 06 14:04:58 <Qcoder00>	*smoke
May 06 14:05:10 <tommorris>	Wikipedia sez: "Some inflatable sex dolls are made in the form of animals, most notably sheep and cows. These dolls are more of a joke gift or party novelty, and are often not suitable for sexual use."
May 06 14:05:12 <Logan_>	Fluffernutter: o/
May 06 14:05:15 <tommorris>	[[Sex doll]]
May 06 14:05:19 <Fluffernutter>	heya Logan_
May 06 14:05:41 <Pesky>	ID Millenium is much better than Vaseline
May 06 14:05:51 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:   Customs (in the UK) have found drugs in all manner of unusal places, including bras, corsets, platform shoes... Dildos ....
May 06 14:06:09 <tommorris>	kinky - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LeKayRing.jpg
May 06 14:06:24 <Fluffernutter>	Qcoder00, i'm a bit afraid to ask how you know this
May 06 14:06:31 <Ironholds>	this channel got really really weird
May 06 14:06:34 <Pesky>	Qcoder00: I don;t have girlfriends ...
May 06 14:06:45 <Pesky>	.../got/ really weird?
May 06 14:06:48 <Fluffernutter>	^
May 06 14:06:58 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: afaik Pesky is female and straight
May 06 14:06:58 <Qcoder00>	Fluffernutter:   There used to be a musuem about smuggling in Polpero
May 06 14:07:01 <Ironholds>	and really old
May 06 14:07:04 <Ironholds>	:P
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May 06 14:07:24 <Pesky>	… also really flexible.  And very  strong :p
May 06 14:07:26 <Qcoder00>	Pesky: I was making a general joke ;)
May 06 14:07:33 <Qcoder00>	It wasn't intened to imply anything
May 06 14:07:52 <Pesky>	I don't mind harmless implications
May 06 14:07:53 *	Fluffernutter doesn't really want to know any more about Pesky's flexibility, thx
May 06 14:08:07 <Pesky>	[[Ehlers Danlos Syndrome]]
May 06 14:08:10 <Ironholds>	I assume she's making a wolf-related comment
May 06 14:08:18 <Pesky>	See above
May 06 14:08:39 <Pesky>	I was spawned down at the murky end of the gene pool, where the sharks hang out
May 06 14:08:50 <Pesky>	Homozygous, too
May 06 14:09:04 *	Qcoder00 tries to think of Red Riding Hood joke here but can't
May 06 14:09:49 <Pesky>	EDS people who don't give in to it, and stay really active, develop incredibly strong muscles to accommodate for naff joints
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May 06 14:10:02 *	tommorris has just been informed (thanks Wikipedia!) that you can see Grigori Rasputin's penis on display in St Petersburg.
May 06 14:10:08 <Pesky>	How nice
May 06 14:10:26 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  how much do you weigh?
May 06 14:10:31 <Pesky>	(approx will do)
May 06 14:10:32 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: insert joke about Rasputing being *hard* (hurf durf) to kill here
May 06 14:10:34 <Ironholds>	Pesky: eight and a half stone
May 06 14:10:42 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky, are you plotting the disposal of his body?
May 06 14:10:48 <Pesky>	I could pick you up and carry you up a flight of stairs, no trouble
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May 06 14:10:56 <tommorris>	nah, just a good ol' fashioned hanging.
May 06 14:11:06 <Pesky>	No, just the strength thing
May 06 14:11:12 <Fluffernutter>	he's quite easy to toss around, Pesky. But he punches hard if he gets a chance.
May 06 14:11:12 <Qcoder00>	Fluffnutter:  The New Forest isn't Epping forest...
May 06 14:11:23 <Pesky>	so don't give him a chance ...
May 06 14:11:32 <Qcoder00>	Although I'm sure the New Forest has patch where you could hide stuff
May 06 14:11:39 <Pesky>	Deep bogs
May 06 14:11:44 <Pesky>	Handy ...
May 06 14:12:03 <Pesky>	Not that I would want to dispose of an Ironholds
May 06 14:12:08 <tommorris>	urgh, I so need to finish writing my own reference
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May 06 14:13:22 <Pesky>	DYK that a wolf pack is more likely to accept a non-threatening human as an honorary pack member than they are to attack? (can't remember source)
May 06 14:13:31 <Fluffernutter>	gah, i have too many tabs open. Every time i get distracted from one, i forget what i was doing and return to a different one
May 06 14:14:18 <Pesky>	I would love to have the freedom to 'join' a wolf pack for a year or so
May 06 14:14:25 <Qcoder00>	Fluffernutter:  Hmm, Wasn't pack accpetance part of the reasons for cannine domestication?
May 06 14:14:50 <Pesky>	Humans and canines can learn each others' body language quite easuly
May 06 14:15:26 <Pesky>	Feline BL is harder, coz it's a bit counter-intuitive
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May 06 14:16:02 <Pesky>	cig brk
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May 06 14:17:52 <foks>	A lot of Lib Dem deposits are being lost up here
May 06 14:18:14 <Fluffernutter>	deposits?
May 06 14:18:25 <tommorris>	Fluffernutter: when you run for election in Britain, you have to pay a deposit
May 06 14:18:33 <foks>	MSP/MP candidates have to pay a deposit of £500 to stand
May 06 14:18:36 <tommorris>	and if you don't get a certain perecentage of the vote, you lose the deposit
May 06 14:18:43 <tommorris>	I thought it was £750 for MPs
May 06 14:18:44 <foks>	They get it back unless they get less than 5%
May 06 14:18:49 <Fluffernutter>	...huh. that's...odd.
May 06 14:18:50 <foks>	Well, whatevr
May 06 14:19:03 <foks>	It's to prevent stupid parties from standing
May 06 14:19:05 <Hedgehog456>	 spam alert; dog onknee
May 06 14:19:09 <foks>	Well, to discourage them
May 06 14:19:10 <Fluffernutter>	seems very libertarian. "You can't afford to pay for office? No can haz office!"
May 06 14:19:17 <tommorris>	well, yes and no
May 06 14:19:17 <foks>	Not really
May 06 14:19:22 <tommorris>	you have to have some way of determining ballot access
May 06 14:19:32 <foks>	It's to prevent every man and his dog standing
May 06 14:19:52 <Fluffernutter>	i think over here we do that with petitions
May 06 14:19:58 <tommorris>	it didn't a mate of mine standing during the last General Election: http://www.madcapntom.co.uk/
May 06 14:20:08 <foks>	Also, you get the deposit back
May 06 14:20:19 <foks>	Unless you get less than 5% of the vote
May 06 14:20:23 <foks>	So it's fair enough
May 06 14:20:31 <foks>	Although a lot of LibDems... well, aren't
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May 06 14:20:59 <foks>	That's a REALLY nice site tommorris
May 06 14:21:00 <tommorris>	as I said, in my area, it was only Tory and Labour, despite the fact that in the generals, LibDems always come second
May 06 14:21:01 *	Pesky going to dig garden … back later ….
May 06 14:21:01 <foks>	:D
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May 06 14:21:16 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: shut up
May 06 14:21:25 <Fluffernutter>	pardon?
May 06 14:21:32 <foks>	"He has policies. He has experience. He has a duck on his head."
May 06 14:21:32 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: when you understand what "libertarian" means you can make jokes about it
May 06 14:21:33 <tommorris>	for UK elections, you still need to get people to nominate you - but it's only ten people for council elections
May 06 14:21:35 <foks>	hahaha
May 06 14:21:44 <foks>	ah
May 06 14:21:51 <foks>	Interesting
May 06 14:21:51 <Fluffernutter>	i'm sorry, i didn't realize i was making a joke at all. here i thought i was having, you know, a conversation.
May 06 14:22:01 *	Pesky still her
May 06 14:22:03 <foks>	We had a neo-nazi standing in Aberdeen Central
May 06 14:22:08 <Fluffernutter>	now kindly fuck off if you can't converse like a normal human
May 06 14:22:09 <Pesky>	Fluffernutter: threaten to spank him next time
May 06 14:22:12 <foks>	He got 201 votes
May 06 14:22:19 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: "seems very libertarian. "You can't afford to pay for office? No can haz office!""
May 06 14:22:33 <Ironholds>	I'm assuming that's a joke because the alternative is that you were being thick as pig shit
May 06 14:22:34 <foks>	Oh Ironholds get a grip plz
May 06 14:22:43 <Hedgehog456>	Isn't 'conservative' a better word?
May 06 14:22:43 <tommorris>	libertarian means more than one thing.
May 06 14:22:58 *	tommorris prefers "Ayn Rand cultist"
May 06 14:22:59 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: no, conservativism and libertarianism are distinct philosophies
May 06 14:23:06 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: I know
May 06 14:23:09 <Ironholds>	and objectivism is also a different philosophy
May 06 14:23:12 <tommorris>	or indeed "free market nutjob"
May 06 14:23:23 <Hedgehog456>	I just think conservative would be more suited to the joke
May 06 14:24:07 <foks>	Can we not calm down and carry the fuck on plesae
May 06 14:24:09 <foks>	:3
May 06 14:24:22 <Qcoder00>	Please do not swear foks
May 06 14:24:25 <Fluffernutter>	apparently fucking not, since we're not allowed to talk unless we use the terms Ironholds approves
May 06 14:24:30 <foks>	fuck that
May 06 14:24:37 *	Qcoder00 cries
May 06 14:24:41 <Hedgehog456>	fuck censorship
May 06 14:24:47 <foks>	fuck fucking
May 06 14:24:52 *	Hedgehog456 comforts Qcoder00 
May 06 14:25:02 <foks>	SNP have a majority, now official
May 06 14:25:04 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: I've explained thirty goddamn times why you don't understand what libertarian means
May 06 14:25:12 <foks>	With their last win in Clackmannanshire
May 06 14:25:13 <Ironholds>	this is after I spent an hour explaining what a free market was
May 06 14:25:18 <Hedgehog456>	"Libertarianism is a political philosophy that upholds individual liberty, especially freedom of expression and action.[1] Libertarianism includes diverse beliefs and organizations—all advocate either the minimization or the elimination of the state, and the goal of maximizing individual liberty and freedom."
May 06 14:25:23 <Ironholds>	and half an hour explaining the distinctions between keynes and Hayek
May 06 14:25:27 <Qcoder00>	foks : SNP have a majority?
May 06 14:25:32 <Hedgehog456>	How the fuck is that anything to do with paying a deposit?
May 06 14:25:37 <Ironholds>	if you haven't got it so far then you're being deliberately ignorant.
May 06 14:25:38 <foks>	Qcoder00, that's what I said, yes.
May 06 14:25:40 <foks>	:)
May 06 14:25:56 <Qcoder00>	That means in a few months time they'll be all-mighty bust up between the MSP and the Tory Westminster govt
May 06 14:26:13 <Qcoder00>	because the SNP is more like Old-Labour policy wise
May 06 14:26:16 <Hedgehog456>	I think Tories would be more in to restricting MPs to those who can pay.
May 06 14:26:18 <foks>	Qcoder00, it means that in the next three years we'll have an expensive referendum on independence
May 06 14:26:26 <Hedgehog456>	Not the libertarians.
May 06 14:26:32 <foks>	Where we'll discover that folk don't want it
May 06 14:26:56 <tommorris>	yeah, leaving the UK would be a really dumb for Scotland
May 06 14:26:59 <tommorris>	just sayin'
May 06 14:27:02 <foks>	Lib Dem supporters seem to be switching to the SNP for some reason
May 06 14:27:14 <Ironholds>	foks: makes sense, after a fashion
May 06 14:27:18 <foks>	Not me, I switched to Labour
May 06 14:27:23 <foks>	For this vote
May 06 14:27:31 <foks>	Since it was an SNP target
May 06 14:27:31 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Well apart from the small matter that No-one in England would want a Trident base
May 06 14:27:38 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: hence why I was going "please try to avoid talking about stuff you're ignorant of"
May 06 14:27:55 <Qcoder00>	And that an Independent Scotland would NOT want a 'foriegn' nuke on it's territory
May 06 14:28:17 <foks>	an Independent Scotland is NOT A GOOD IDEA
May 06 14:28:24 <foks>	 -- a Scot
May 06 14:28:29 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: ah. I agree.
May 06 14:28:49 <foks>	SNP just won Kirkcaldy
May 06 14:29:01 <Fluffernutter>	Wait I'm sorry, what? Now we can't participate in conversations unless we pass your exam?
May 06 14:29:03 <foks>	That's 66
May 06 14:29:25 <Fluffernutter>	ifyou want to moderate who can discuss things, go make your own room to do it in
May 06 14:29:50 <foks>	Oh calm down both of you
May 06 14:30:24 <Fluffernutter>	i was perfectly calm until he started calling me stupid and telling me i'm not allowed to fucking talk
May 06 14:30:39 *	foks sighs
May 06 14:30:46 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: because you were acting stupidly
May 06 14:30:54 <foks>	SHUT UP.
May 06 14:30:57 <foks>	fucking HELL
May 06 14:31:14 <foks>	Ironholds, you are the single most annoying knobend on the planet when you act like this
May 06 14:31:52 <foks>	In other news, SNP's website is down
May 06 14:32:40 <Ironholds>	foks: and you're an annoying northern unt
May 06 14:32:42 <Ironholds>	*c
May 06 14:32:44 <Ironholds>	are we done?
May 06 14:33:00 <foks>	are you done, you mean?
May 06 14:33:04 <tommorris>	on the sex toys thing, enjoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jigsaw_Squirting
May 06 14:33:57 <foks>	...is that a dildo mounted on an electric sander?
May 06 14:34:01 <Ironholds>	no.
May 06 14:34:15 <Ironholds>	strangely enough
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May 06 14:34:22 <Ironholds>	it's mounted on a jigsaw
May 06 14:34:27 <Ironholds>	which would explain why it's called the jigsaw
May 06 14:34:36 <foks>	what's a jigsaw
May 06 14:34:49 <foks>	Oh
May 06 14:34:56 <Ironholds>	it's an electric saw used for cutting wood into delicate curved shapes
May 06 14:35:06 <Ironholds>	like puzzle pieces, hence the name that the puzzles later developed
May 06 14:35:13 <foks>	Think I usually call that a bayonet saw
May 06 14:35:21 <foks>	Not that I use one.
May 06 14:35:25 *	foks shrugs
May 06 14:36:07 <Fluffernutter>	suuure foks. let's not tell them about the one you keep under your bed for...special occasions :P
May 06 14:36:14 <foks>	A saw?
May 06 14:36:15 <foks>	:D
May 06 14:36:41 *	tommorris keeps a power drill for use during sex, but it just has a drillbit on the end, not a dildo.
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May 06 14:36:53 *	tommorris wonders why people keep running away from him screaming about him being a complete maniac.
May 06 14:36:59 <foks>	):
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May 06 14:37:34 <tommorris>	one day I'll have one of those "famous serial killer" shows, and they'll be calling me "power drill Tommy" or something
May 06 14:37:41 <tommorris>	that'd be hilariou
May 06 14:37:41 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 06 14:37:49 <Fluffernutter>	it's bad form to actually kill your sex partners
May 06 14:37:58 <Ironholds>	or alternately good form
May 06 14:38:04 <Ironholds>	if you do it with a knife, bad
May 06 14:38:05 <tommorris>	I knew there was *something*
May 06 14:38:09 <Ironholds>	but death-by-overexercise is kinda impressive
May 06 14:39:05 <Fluffernutter>	it's bad form to render them dead through any method. mostly because it's terribly inefficient. you have to expend all the time and effort to find a new one if you kill
May 06 14:39:16 <tommorris>	oh no you don't
May 06 14:39:32 <tommorris>	that shows a distinct lack of imagination
May 06 14:39:33 <Fluffernutter>	necrophiliacs are a different issue
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May 06 14:41:09 <Fluffernutter>	hah. apparently there are now rumors of bin laden's body washing up on various beaches
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May 06 14:41:48 *	tommorris pictures a small child running back along the beach shouting "Mummy! There's a dead terorrist in my sandcastle!"
May 06 14:42:06 <Fluffernutter>	hey, if giant squids wash up, why not bogeyman terrorists
May 06 14:42:18 <Fluffernutter>	(is the plural of squid "squid" or "squids"?)
May 06 14:43:44 <foks>	either
May 06 14:44:01 <foks>	according to the New Oxford American Dictionary
May 06 14:44:19 <Fluffernutter>	you're so useful :D
May 06 14:45:04 <tommorris>	wow, there are still people saying bin Laden is still alive, despite a statement from al Qaeda saying he's dead
May 06 14:45:27 <foks>	:P
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May 06 14:45:35 <foks>	Fluffernutter, *bow*
May 06 14:45:40 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: isn't there some theory that no matter how outlandish a belief is, 20-30% of people will buy into it?
May 06 14:45:55 <tommorris>	quite probably
May 06 14:46:02 <tommorris>	but there might be some logical problems with that
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May 06 14:47:01 <juxonrails>	hallo!
May 06 14:47:30 <tommorris>	like if 20% of people believe A, and 20% of people believe B, and 20% believe C, 20% D, 20% E, 20% F, and all of them are incompatible with all others, that means some subset of them will have contradictory beliefs
May 06 14:48:04 <tommorris>	of course, if you are a birther or an Osama bin Laden death denier or whatever, contradiction is less of a problem than it is for an epistemologist.
May 06 14:48:26 <Fluffernutter>	cognitive dissonance ftw
May 06 14:48:26 <tommorris>	"Keep your government hands off my Medicaid!" etc.
May 06 14:48:27 <juxonrails>	wtf is an epistemologist ?
May 06 14:48:35 <tommorris>	someone who studies epistemology
May 06 14:49:00 <tommorris>	the branch of philosophy which deals with what people know or believe they know
May 06 14:49:25 <juxonrails>	sry my ignorance
May 06 14:49:59 <juxonrails>	stupid of me to ask ... [[epistemology]] will get my ignorance re this thing sortend
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May 06 14:51:28 <tommorris>	It does an okay job.
May 06 14:51:33 <Ironholds>	tommorris: which led to an interesting debate I had earlier today (and the reason for my foul mood)
May 06 14:51:38 <Ironholds>	what constitutes original thought?
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May 06 14:52:23 <tommorris>	I'd go for a virtue-based definition
May 06 14:53:13 <tommorris>	you are having an original thought if you, having acted in an epistemically virtuous way to learn about a subject X, believe that your idea P has not been discussed in relevant subject X before.
May 06 14:53:17 <tommorris>	or something along that kind of line
May 06 14:53:34 <Ironholds>	agreed
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May 06 14:54:00 <Ironholds>	so, the synthesis of material in an aristotelian fashion from the works of others, in ignorance of additional work covering your synthesis, is original?
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May 06 14:54:25 <tommorris>	it could potentially be so
May 06 14:54:35 <Ironholds>	potentially?
May 06 14:54:36 <juxonrails>	tommorris: so how does epistemology differ from ontology ?
May 06 14:54:51 <tommorris>	juxonrails: ontology covers what there is, epistemology covers beliefs and knowledge.
May 06 14:54:54 <Ironholds>	juxonrails: ontology is the study of existence
May 06 14:55:10 <Ironholds>	so ontology is "this is a rock. We will understand the nature of this rock"
May 06 14:55:24 <Ironholds>	epistemology is "what is understanding? What does that constitute? Can one truly understand a rock?"
May 06 14:55:54 <tommorris>	so, on the synthesis question: it depends on the nature of the synthesis.
May 06 14:56:06 <tommorris>	some synthesis is original, other synthesis is not.
May 06 14:56:17 <Ironholds>	okay, so, for example
May 06 14:56:31 <tommorris>	you'd probably have to qualify it with regards to some basic and unanalaysable form of obviousness
May 06 14:56:42 <Ironholds>	darn
May 06 14:57:02 <Ironholds>	you're a fucking philosopher
May 06 14:57:08 <Ironholds>	nothing is unanalysable! :p
May 06 14:57:24 <tommorris>	it is unalaysable if you say it is unalaysable!! ;-)
May 06 14:57:30 <Ironholds>	Sorry, this came about because one of my university lecturers was kind enough to tell me earlier that in 3 years she's never heard me say anything original
May 06 14:57:40 <Ironholds>	it put me in rather a foul mood and I started arguing with her about it
May 06 14:58:00 *	tommorris questions whether the word "kind" in your statement is meant in jest
May 06 14:58:08 <Ironholds>	tiny bit
May 06 14:58:22 <Ironholds>	indeed, she told me I only repeated the thoughts of others and needed to stop passing them off as my own
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May 06 14:58:59 <juxonrails>	hiya wctaiwan
May 06 14:59:04 <Ironholds>	to which I replied that true original thought is impossible to make with certainty, that what I was doing followed the aristotelian method and constituted original thought, and that since I have the self esteem of a brick and no intention of passing things off, really the fault was with her interpretation
May 06 14:59:15 <wctaiwan>	hey juxonrails
May 06 14:59:29 <Ironholds>	so I apologised, quite deeply, for her being unable to understand me.
May 06 14:59:42 <tommorris>	yes, I'd say that the idea of completely original thought is an insanely high demand.
May 06 14:59:49 <Ironholds>	no, I'd say it's impossible
May 06 15:00:07 <Ironholds>	in that we can't say with certainty something has never been thought up
May 06 15:00:07 <tommorris>	Hmm. Not sure if it is impossible
May 06 15:00:16 <Ironholds>	it depends what we're defining "original thought" as, though
May 06 15:00:23 <Ironholds>	or "thought" for that matter
May 06 15:00:32 <tommorris>	you could imagine a situation where original thought is possible: if you literally were the first person in the first educated society to discover some scientific idea
May 06 15:00:53 <Ironholds>	tommorris: prove it's the first educated society and that space-aliens didn't come up with it 3,000 years before.
May 06 15:01:08 <tommorris>	hence my appeal to a virtue-based epistemology
May 06 15:01:14 <juxonrails>	mmm G&T & riding on a train mmm
May 06 15:01:15 <Ironholds>	of course
May 06 15:01:24 <Ironholds>	I mean, theoretically there is definitely such a thing as "true" originality
May 06 15:01:36 <Ironholds>	we know there is one really really old race of space aliens who were first
May 06 15:01:44 <tommorris>	you can't be absolutely sure that it's an original thought, but you can't be absolutely sure it's a thought at all, or that you aren't from the planet Zargon or that you aren't a brain in a vat
May 06 15:01:46 <juxonrails>	irc always feels better when done over 100km/h
May 06 15:01:47 <Ironholds>	we just can't prove which ones. Or that they exist. Or did exist.
May 06 15:01:57 <Ironholds>	tommorris: don't go all solipsistic on me
May 06 15:02:22 <tommorris>	I'd say it is deductively true that someone has had an original thought
May 06 15:02:34 <jps>	half of all people are original, and the other half form a behaviorial probability distribution
May 06 15:03:01 <tommorris>	Ironholds: you, accusing me of solipsism? ;-)
May 06 15:03:16 <jps>	but anyone interacting with a university lecture at the level of being told they are unoriginal is necessarily original
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May 06 15:03:43 <Ironholds>	jps: explain? :p
May 06 15:03:50 <jps>	unless it was a sociology lecture.  People get told they are unoriginal in sociology all the time
May 06 15:03:54 <tommorris>	ah, okay, reads up, you agree
May 06 15:03:57 <wctaiwan>	jps: unless they plagiarise.
May 06 15:04:06 <Ironholds>	jps: it was a commercial law lecture
May 06 15:04:10 <tommorris>	you can't know you are being original: sure.
May 06 15:04:30 <Ironholds>	I was theorising that the doctrine of estoppel is closely linked to privity - sort of the inverse
May 06 15:04:56 <Ironholds>	tommorris: yes, but the brain-in-a-vat problem bores me. I worked out the answer a long time ago.
May 06 15:05:04 <wctaiwan>	I was working on a group project today. According to the guy responsible for putting everything together, one of the group members sent in an essay with hyperlinks still attached from the copied sources.
May 06 15:05:18 <wctaiwan>	//sidetrack sorry
May 06 15:05:28 <jps>	it's like fermions and bosons.  The humans with even quantum charge are one, and odd quantum charge are the other.  The fermions are forced to be original by the Pauli exclusion principle, and the bosons just go about their daily lives in the grasp of an agregatable probability distribution function.
May 06 15:05:31 <Ironholds>	tommorris: the solution (feel free to write a paper on it) is "who the fuck cares? It's 2pm, lets go to the pub already"
May 06 15:05:35 <foks>	Worst photoshop ever http://yfrog.com/z/hsvx7ruj
May 06 15:05:49 <tommorris>	Ironholds: that's basically Hume's answer
May 06 15:05:58 <jps>	However that analogy doesn't hold up because each individual's situation is geographically unique at least, so everyone is original
May 06 15:06:01 <juxonrails>	I once thought I had an original tought... it was that in order to be happy one must 1) work 2) love 3) avoid envy of any kind or quality and then my therapeut told me that some feller named Sigmund Freud had come to this conclusion 80 years ago ;)
May 06 15:06:05 <Ironholds>	tommorris: that was Hume's answer to a lot of things
May 06 15:06:07 <juxonrails>	he added that the modern psychology professionals add "grieving what you have to grieve" to the formula of happiness
May 06 15:06:20 <Ironholds>	juxonrails: actually, most modern shrinks reject freud
May 06 15:06:23 <Fluffernutter>	lol foks. pinhead ftw
May 06 15:06:24 <Ironholds>	but he's very important philosophically
May 06 15:06:40 <foks>	Fluffernutter, :P
May 06 15:06:50 <KimiNewt>	your mother is important philosophically
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May 06 15:07:18 *	wctaiwan looks at Ironholds 
May 06 15:07:20 <juxonrails>	Ironholds: maybe it is so that sexuality derives from the rest and not that everything else derives from sexuality
May 06 15:07:25 <Ironholds>	KimiNewt: signs I'm a nerd - my first reaction was "neat, both our clauses had the same number of characters!"
May 06 15:07:28 <tommorris>	okay on brains in vats, when I last thought about it, I came to the conclusion that Putnam's argument seemed pretty good. But I can't say more than that because the problem is actually not very interesting.
May 06 15:07:29 <wctaiwan>	really? because they still taught us his theories in high school.
May 06 15:07:54 <wctaiwan>	Ironholds: There is no valid reason except if you're using a purely command line IRC client to use a monospace font for IRC.
May 06 15:08:04 <wctaiwan>	on the other hand if you counted the characters...
May 06 15:08:12 <tommorris>	wctaiwan: how about "I prefer monospace fonts"?
May 06 15:08:20 <tommorris>	That seems like a pretty good reason.
May 06 15:08:35 <wctaiwan>	tommorris: It's an invalid preference, which brings into question your ability to make intelligent choices.
May 06 15:08:42 <KimiNewt>	It's not, Ironholds
May 06 15:08:43 <tommorris>	that said, I use a purely command line IRC client
May 06 15:08:44 <foks>	...not really
May 06 15:08:47 <jps>	Ironholds, I hope you get accurate elections at 4pm, but I guess you won't know for sure until 10pm
May 06 15:08:47 <wctaiwan>	(kidding, of course)
May 06 15:09:02 <Ironholds>	jps: I'll find out as soon as it happens, I've got tickets to the counts
May 06 15:09:12 <KimiNewt>	Your line is 39 characters
May 06 15:09:13 <KimiNewt>	Mine is 40
May 06 15:09:24 <Ironholds>	KimiNewt: it lines up on my screen
May 06 15:09:29 <wctaiwan>	tommorris: in seriousness, of course it's a preference. But the benefits offered by monospace fonts don't really exhibit themselves on IRC, so eh.
May 06 15:09:37 <KimiNewt>	because it doesn't count the apostrophe
May 06 15:09:48 <tommorris>	wctaiwan: you don't know about all the secret ASCII pr0n channels I hang out on!
May 06 15:09:58 <wctaiwan>	ahahaha, okay, fair enough :P
May 06 15:09:59 <KimiNewt>	anyway - I used python to check it -- outnerded
May 06 15:10:40 <tommorris>	you know about `wc` right?
May 06 15:10:54 <wctaiwan>	not really, why?
May 06 15:11:10 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris, you have sekrit ascii porn and you're *not sharing*?!
May 06 15:11:11 <wctaiwan>	you mean the fact that it's in my handle or the fact that it stands for water closet or what?
May 06 15:11:20 <jps>	Is http://yesvsno.co.uk/ still illegal in UK now that the polls have closed?
May 06 15:11:22 <tommorris>	no, that was for KimiNewt
May 06 15:11:26 <tommorris>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wc_(Unix)
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May 06 15:11:34 <wctaiwan>	word count?
May 06 15:11:37 <wctaiwan>	just a guess.
May 06 15:11:39 <tommorris>	yep
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May 06 15:11:47 <tommorris>	Python is overkill for that kind of thing
May 06 15:12:02 <tommorris>	cat | wc -m
May 06 15:12:10 <foks>	jps, illegal?
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May 06 15:12:29 <KimiNewt>	tomorris
May 06 15:12:32 <KimiNewt>	I know it
May 06 15:12:36 <KimiNewt>	but I'm not using linux atm
May 06 15:12:36 <jps>	no exit polls are allowed in the UK until some point of time probably established by someone in the 1500s
May 06 15:13:20 <foks>	That's not an exit poll?
May 06 15:13:28 <foks>	That's a colloection of mentions on Twitter
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May 06 15:13:30 <foks>	:P
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May 06 15:13:54 <KimiNewt>	always have terrible latency on this goddamn server for some reason
May 06 15:14:18 <wctaiwan>	change your server then.. Freenode has plenty.
May 06 15:14:52 <jps>	I wonder what the tweet-to-vote relationship will be; I think it will be much closer
May 06 15:16:19 <foks>	The voting population are likely to not use Twitter
May 06 15:16:28 <foks>	As much of them will be middle-aged etc
May 06 15:16:46 <foks>	(not that they don't use twitter, just are far less likely to)
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May 06 15:17:33 <wctaiwan>	I don't get why people put up with the 140 character limit.. How many people still post from cellphones? How many people actually follow others on cellphones?
May 06 15:19:05 <Tatsujin>	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/06/java_based_malware/
May 06 15:21:05 <topaz>	wctaiwan: even more than ever, only -- ironically -- now they're mostly not using SMS to do it.
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May 06 15:21:13 <topaz>	now they're all using smartphones with TCP/IP over 3G.
May 06 15:21:24 <wctaiwan>	right.
May 06 15:21:44 <wctaiwan>	I mean, I get the purpose of a reasonable limit. but 140 characters isn't very reasonable at all...
May 06 15:22:02 <topaz>	actually, not exactly -- there are still a lot of people in developing countries who have cellphones but no smartphones
May 06 15:22:37 <wctaiwan>	on twitter?
May 06 15:22:54 <wctaiwan>	I thought the number only worked in US and a few other countries...
May 06 15:23:29 <juxonrails>	wctaiwan: you can send SMS to the UK number from countries that haven't got their own
May 06 15:23:44 <wctaiwan>	oh.
May 06 15:23:56 <juxonrails>	I use the SMS if I'm too lazy to fire up browser on my phone
May 06 15:24:04 <jps>	wctaiwan: see the "Technology" section on http://i.imgur.com/GReJW.jpg
May 06 15:24:16 <juxonrails>	I don't tweet that much.. mostly my monthly clean up attempts of my flat
May 06 15:24:31 <jps>	Mobile adoption 8% in 2000, up to 76% in 2010 globally
May 06 15:25:47 <jps>	People killed in natural disasters: 17,000 in 2000 up to 260,000 in 2010
May 06 15:26:18 <juxonrails>	hmm stats..
May 06 15:26:19 <wctaiwan>	jps: 8 per 100 people != 8%
May 06 15:26:23 <foks>	Also, 140 characters is perfectly reasonable
May 06 15:26:24 <wctaiwan>	a lot of people have multiple cellphones.
May 06 15:26:30 <jps>	lol that chart is back from when oil was $65/bbl
May 06 15:26:45 <jps>	what % is 8 per 100?
May 06 15:27:01 <wctaiwan>	No it isn't foks. Many times I've had to purposefully shorten my message to make it fit. Something like min(a paragraph, 100 words) would be much better.
May 06 15:27:02 <juxonrails>	April 29th 2011 - One couple married in UK - 24 innocent opposition supporter protestors murdered in Syria
May 06 15:27:23 <Fluffernutter>	you can't set the min to "a paragraph." That's completely undefined.
May 06 15:27:24 <juxonrails>	that concludes the going-ons review of April 29th
May 06 15:27:38 <jps>	but more than 95% of the cellphones are probably owned by people with one
May 06 15:27:40 <wctaiwan>	sorry Fluffernutter, just tried to save some typing :P
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May 06 15:28:17 <Fluffernutter>	and word count, for that matter, is also much more difficult to define than character count. Different programs count words differently.
May 06 15:28:21 <wctaiwan>	not really jps. A significant minority of people here have two. And also some people still have separate phones for work and personal use.
May 06 15:28:39 <wctaiwan>	the accuracy of the algorithm doesn't matter Fluffernutter as long as there is one.
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May 06 15:28:51 <juxonrails>	Fluffernutter: I thought wc was the standard
May 06 15:28:54 <Fluffernutter>	wctaiwan, true enough. as long as it's internally consistent it could be used.
May 06 15:29:29 <wctaiwan>	also, maybe 100 words is too many, something like 50, perhaps
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May 06 15:30:31 <BenutzerConny>	Do you know a wiki project, where you can write your own biography? With POC etc.
May 06 15:30:46 <foks>	wctaiwan, if you think 140 characters is unreasonable for Twitter, you're using the wrong service
May 06 15:31:47 <juxonrails>	I'm expecting the third contestant to appear for social media like it did for OSes
May 06 15:31:49 <wctaiwan>	foks: Sure. The point I'm trying to make is not that Twitter is somehow more stupid than I am, but that I don't see why people are willing to put up with a 140 char limit despite the original purpose being to keep it cellphone friendly.
May 06 15:31:52 <juxonrails>	something distributed..
May 06 15:31:55 <wctaiwan>	I barely use it.
May 06 15:32:05 <foks>	People don't "put up with it"
May 06 15:32:12 <foks>	That's the gimmick of twitter
May 06 15:32:32 <foks>	You can't take off the limit, that would completely change the site into something completely unusale
May 06 15:32:39 <wctaiwan>	don't take it off
May 06 15:32:40 <foks>	* unusable
May 06 15:32:43 <wctaiwan>	make it somewhat larger
May 06 15:32:46 <foks>	Why?
May 06 15:32:48 <wctaiwan>	microblogging should never be blogging
May 06 15:32:49 <foks>	Where's the point?
May 06 15:32:53 <foks>	It's not blogging
May 06 15:32:54 <wctaiwan>	but it should allow me to finish a goddang sentence.
May 06 15:32:57 <foks>	If you want to blog, blog
May 06 15:33:09 <wctaiwan>	I don't. I want to write a sentence without being forced to use txtspk
May 06 15:33:14 <foks>	If you want to post quick status things / links, microblog.
May 06 15:33:26 <foks>	I use sentences on Twitter all the fucking time
May 06 15:33:27 <juxonrails>	wctaiwan: without using ?
May 06 15:33:38 <wctaiwan>	sure juxonrails
May 06 15:34:03 <juxonrails>	wctaiwan: sure 'k I read that as "don't want" sry my bad
May 06 15:34:44 <juxonrails>	wctaiwan: why it's 140 and not 160 is what really puzzles me
May 06 15:35:03 <wctaiwan>	140 because that's the maximum length of SMS plus what twitter adds to a message
May 06 15:35:05 <wctaiwan>	IIRC.
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May 06 15:36:11 <topaz>	http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/05/invented-text-messaging.html
May 06 15:36:18 <foks>	Max length of SMS is 160 so
May 06 15:36:18 <topaz>	"To avoid the need for splitting cellular text messages into multiple parts, the creators of Twitter capped the length of a tweet at 140 characters, keeping the extra 20 for the user's unique address."
May 06 15:36:30 <foks>	ah.
May 06 15:36:36 <foks>	But 140 is a nice limit.
May 06 15:36:38 <foks>	:)
May 06 15:36:51 <juxonrails>	topaz: but twitter doesn't deliver msgs to SMS or does it ?
May 06 15:36:58 <wctaiwan>	it does
May 06 15:36:59 <juxonrails>	*via SMS
May 06 15:37:04 <juxonrails>	it does ?
May 06 15:37:09 <topaz>	if you want it to.
May 06 15:37:13 <topaz>	I can't imagine wanting to.
May 06 15:37:13 <wctaiwan>	can't you follow people on SMS?
May 06 15:37:18 <jps>	sadly, the UK will probably still keep vote splitting http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/may/04/av-poll-indicates-defeat-yes-campaign
May 06 15:37:57 *	Pesky just got back in … it's way too hot to dig in gardens ….
May 06 15:38:12 <Pesky>	Ironholds: original thought - most likely to occur in a dream
May 06 15:38:19 <juxonrails>	haha.. I pay 8€ /mnth for 1 mbit/s 3G but only 4€ for up to 15 mbit/s 3G on another operator
May 06 15:38:36 <Pesky>	Conscious mind out of the way, other 90% free to go off on a trip
May 06 15:38:36 <juxonrails>	I never expected flat-rate mobile broadband to go this low this fast
May 06 15:38:53 <foks>	Clegg's killed the Yes campaign.
May 06 15:38:57 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I haven't had a dream in...4 months.
May 06 15:39:03 <Ironholds>	and before that, about 10 years
May 06 15:39:07 <Pesky>	You probably have - just not one you can remember
May 06 15:39:20 <wctaiwan>	Pesky: also showers.
May 06 15:39:23 <Ironholds>	I can only remember one
May 06 15:39:26 <Pesky>	There's a cute 'dream-logger' gadget you can get
May 06 15:39:29 <Ironholds>	and if it's representative, I'm glad of that
May 06 15:39:33 <juxonrails>	Ironholds: you should get on Seroquel if you have problems dreaming
May 06 15:39:36 <Pesky>	(only logs that you have dreamed)
May 06 15:39:45 <juxonrails>	it makes the dreams so vivid and lifelike
May 06 15:39:50 <jps>	Maybe the Labor-Lib.Dem coalition will put AV back on the ballot if buyers' remorse sets in
May 06 15:39:56 <juxonrails>	( Quetianipine )
May 06 15:40:03 <Pesky>	Dinky mincrowires attacehd to eyelids detect REM sleep and log time and duration
May 06 15:40:09 <wctaiwan>	sounds vaguely illegal.
May 06 15:40:37 <Pesky>	…. upgrade means you can programme it to wake you up after 75% of your average dream-time ...
May 06 15:40:38 <juxonrails>	wctaiwan: illegal is teh best !
May 06 15:40:42 <Pesky>	then you can remember the dream
May 06 15:41:04 <Ironholds>	juxonrails: I dated a girl for five years. She broke my heart. We broke up.
May 06 15:41:07 <Pesky>	Amytryptilline can make people get some odd dreams
May 06 15:41:25 <Ironholds>	the one dream I had was where everything was my fault, but it was okay, and we could get together again, because she forgave me. And THEN I woke up.
May 06 15:41:36 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  hearts get over it.  Sure, they get scar tissue, but they do return to functionality
May 06 15:41:38 <wctaiwan>	Thanks for sharing.
May 06 15:41:44 <Ironholds>	if that's representative, i'm fucking glad my subconcious isn't allowed out of the box more often
May 06 15:41:57 <Ironholds>	wctaiwan: it was to point out why me getting vivid and more memorable dreams is probably bad :p
May 06 15:42:03 <Pesky>	You can task your subcon to dream on certain issues
May 06 15:42:04 <Ironholds>	I mean, I hate humanity now
May 06 15:42:05 <wctaiwan>	lol.
May 06 15:42:11 <Ironholds>	Pesky: oh, lucid dreaming, yeah
May 06 15:42:14 <Pesky>	now?
May 06 15:42:21 <Ironholds>	that's not what I'm referring to, I can already do that.
May 06 15:42:26 <Ironholds>	I meant proper, unprompted dreams
May 06 15:42:26 <wctaiwan>	isn't it difficult for adults to lucid dream? per WP.
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May 06 15:42:39 <Pesky>	Not just lucid dreaming, but you can actually use NLP stuff to task it to do which kind of dreaming you want while your asleep
May 06 15:42:48 <Ironholds>	wctaiwan: I did it a couple of months ago - it's best in that little warm half-woken-up-stage you get some mornings
May 06 15:43:00 <Pesky>	But  I haven't yet found a waqy of getting it to subtract undesirables, just to add more fun stuff
May 06 15:43:20 <Ironholds>	wikipedia informs me that this is a waking-induced lucid dream
May 06 15:43:44 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  if you can do lucid dreaming as you're going to sleep, rather than waking, you may carry it streaight into REM sleep and continue / adapt it
May 06 15:43:59 <jps>	Ironholds: you are still pining after the lecturer who told you you weren't original?
May 06 15:44:15 <Pesky>	Of course, if you do a lot of lucid dreaming, it may reduce your need for sleep-dreaming
May 06 15:44:29 <Ironholds>	jps: har
May 06 15:44:48 <Ironholds>	Pesky: no, I mean I wake up in that half-awake stage between sleep and awarenes
May 06 15:44:48 <Ironholds>	*s
May 06 15:44:51 <Pesky>	Just ask what thier most recent truly original thought was.  That should stump 'em.
May 06 15:44:56 <Ironholds>	and then fall back into unconscious dreaming while lucid
May 06 15:44:58 <jps>	was that the same person from the dream?
May 06 15:45:03 <Ironholds>	jps...no.
May 06 15:45:13 <Pesky>	Yes; start it while you're going to sleep , not waking up.
May 06 15:45:16 <Ironholds>	mind you, it normally ends badly
May 06 15:45:23 <Pesky>	Then let it wander
May 06 15:45:35 <Pesky>	What's the scariest thing in your dreams (lucid or not)?
May 06 15:45:37 <Ironholds>	I end up dreaming about what I want to dream about and then OH SHIT WITCHES HAVE TURNED UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO STAB ME
May 06 15:45:55 <Ironholds>	and then I find out I've got sleep paralysis and end up mentally clawing my way out
May 06 15:46:24 <Pesky>	But if you're half awake, and slightly aware, you can just grap whichever fantasy weapon of choice ….. and get rid of them .WfD - witches for deletion
May 06 15:46:39 <Ironholds>	hah
May 06 15:46:41 <Ironholds>	I wish
May 06 15:46:42 <juxonrails>	end terminus bbl
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May 06 15:46:53 <Ironholds>	no, it starts off with me aware I'm dreaming and in control
May 06 15:46:56 <Pesky>	Learn the 'grab fantasy weapon' technique.  Sorts most dream-scaries
May 06 15:47:02 <Ironholds>	and then it moves into aware I'm dreaming and not in control
May 06 15:47:11 <Pesky>	so just take control again
May 06 15:47:13 <jps>	the scariest thing in my dreams is that corporations take over run by artificial intelligence and the humans die off, leaving simply arbitrage against numbers which don't represent anything until the power fails
May 06 15:47:14 <Ironholds>	(although reading the wikipedia article is actually really helpful)
May 06 15:47:29 <Pesky>	jps - do you actaully dream that stuff?
May 06 15:47:30 <Ironholds>	(like, I had no idea sleep paralysis and the twirling-falling-feeling was a general thing)
May 06 15:47:48 <Pesky>	Falling off you r branch is like …… ancient …. truly ancient
May 06 15:47:56 <Pesky>	survival technique pre-dating homo erectus
May 06 15:48:07 <jps>	I did have a corporations-related nightmare, but it didn't have the AI in it.  But how could they keep going without people if they didn't have AIs running them?
May 06 15:48:16 <Pesky>	Chimps?
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May 06 15:48:50 <jps>	Corporations will take over and employ chimpanzees as cheap labor and lay off all the humans?
May 06 15:48:51 <Hedgehog456>	My dreams can be said to be representative of something
May 06 15:48:55 <Pesky>	It's called "falling" asleep becaue of that jolt thing, Ironholds
May 06 15:49:09 <Ironholds>	Pesky: oh no, that's just the muscle twitch
May 06 15:49:16 <Pesky>	not 'just'
May 06 15:49:29 <Ironholds>	I meant the bit where I head into a lucid dream and feel like I'm in an elevator with broken brakes
May 06 15:49:30 <Pesky>	The falling thing is different
May 06 15:49:32 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky: [[Hypnic jerk]]
May 06 15:49:38 <Pesky>	kinda, yes
May 06 15:50:00 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  could be switchover from mostly-awake to mostl;y-asleep
May 06 15:50:08 <jps>	You know what Freud would say about being tormented by witches who want to stab you, don't you, Ironholds?
May 06 15:50:14 <Pesky>	nononono
May 06 15:50:17 <Ironholds>	jps: probably that I feel bad about the size of my cock
May 06 15:50:21 <Ironholds>	that was his answer to most things
May 06 15:50:25 <BarkingFish>	Could also be [[Myoclonic jerk]]
May 06 15:50:32 <Ironholds>	"it's probably penis envy; everything else can be sorted by coke and hookers"
May 06 15:50:33 <Fluffernutter>	jps: given that he recently called me a succubus, i think you're on to something
May 06 15:50:35 <jps>	no way, that's not it at all
May 06 15:50:35 <Pesky>	No, it's a 'being gay  ut closeted and also likes dominant females' thing
May 06 15:50:38 <Ironholds>	BarkingFish: that's what I was thinking of, sure
May 06 15:50:39 <Hedgehog456>	I hate it when I'm in a doughnut that turns into a car that drives into a school with no children while being chased by giant bats
May 06 15:50:50 <Ironholds>	Pesky: you got 2 out of 3
May 06 15:50:56 <Pesky>	lol
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May 06 15:51:07 <Hedgehog456>	That's happened twice to me
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May 06 15:51:14 <Hedgehog456>	And I'm serious
May 06 15:51:14 <jps>	if you dream about witches wanting to stab you, Freud would say you are repressing your sexuality in order to conform to social mores
May 06 15:51:34 <Pesky>	How about Bi and uncloseted but seriously likes dominant females but kinda wishes they were male ...
May 06 15:51:38 <jps>	the only way to make the witches go away is to start dating
May 06 15:51:43 <Ironholds>	Pesky: now you have 3 out of 4
May 06 15:51:52 <Ironholds>	jps: I'm perfectly fine with my sexuality, thanks
May 06 15:52:04 <BarkingFish>	The myoclonic jerk is a leftover reaction from tree dwelling animals. The sensation of them falling from their perch or wherever they're sleeping is designed to wake them, to prevent their injury.
May 06 15:52:16 <Pesky>	Yay! That's what I said eariler
May 06 15:52:31 <Pesky>	It's a 'remember to check you're not actually going to fall out of your nest' thing
May 06 15:52:44 <BarkingFish>	Same in humans, you feel like you're falling, and your body jerks you awake just in case you actually *are*.
May 06 15:53:07 <Pesky>	d'you know what the 'monster under the bed' is, BarkingFish?
May 06 15:53:19 <Pesky>	(I do, btw)
May 06 15:53:31 <Pesky>	… and the bogeyman in the wardrobe
May 06 15:53:33 <BarkingFish>	if there's a monster under mine, it's bloody thin. I sleep on a futon :)
May 06 15:53:33 <Hedgehog456>	I also hate it when I'm in a haunted mansion with Fred Flintstone, Scooby Doo and some random guy I've never met before and I walk out a door, end up in a park next to a building, and am killed by a rollercoaster going over the roof of the building and crashing
May 06 15:53:51 <BarkingFish>	iirc it's a predator reflex, Pesky
May 06 15:54:05 <Hedgehog456>	Is that a leftover reaction from something?
May 06 15:54:07 <Pesky>	No, the 'scared to put foot out in case something grabs it', or 'can;t sleep if hands are trailing over edge of mattress' one ..
May 06 15:54:19 <Fluffernutter>	you guys have strange dreams
May 06 15:54:25 <Pesky>	Yes, it's the 'climbing predator' (big constrictor) one
May 06 15:54:42 <jps>	Pesky: if it were a wish, it wouldn't be freighting.  A freighting dream represents unresolved id-superego conflict
May 06 15:54:50 <Pesky>	And the bogey in the wardrobe in the ambush-predator (leopard or similar)
May 06 15:54:52 <jps>	freightening*
May 06 15:54:54 <Fluffernutter>	i have...geek dreams. My most recent one that i remember involved a friend of mine contacting me on google talk to tell me that he won the lottery. I distinctly remember it being gtalk.
May 06 15:54:59 <jps>	lol spelling checker
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May 06 15:55:27 <BarkingFish>	I know the one leftover from hearing noises you'd normally miss when you're asleep, I think it's similar. Your hearing becomes more sensitive as you doze off, so you hear something which is coming to get you :)
May 06 15:55:34 <Pesky>	Best geek dream I ever had was one that just stopped right in the middle … succeeded by an info box which said "Application unknown has unexpectedly quit"
May 06 15:55:43 <Hedgehog456>	Also when for some reason I'm back to primary school, maybe a teacher or something, and I'm climbing up a strange, crude wooden construction, when a huge tsunami comes out of someone's garden, then a child murders someone, and then God turns up and explains everything as "quantum"
May 06 15:55:44 <BarkingFish>	0.o
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May 06 15:55:45 <jps>	Fluffernutter: was it text only, audio, or a/v?
May 06 15:55:50 <Fluffernutter>	lol Pesky
May 06 15:55:52 <BarkingFish>	your dreams blue screen???
May 06 15:55:54 <Fluffernutter>	jps: text only
May 06 15:56:08 <Pesky>	Well, not blue, but kina (Mac-person)
May 06 15:56:13 *	Fluffernutter also dreams about games she plays too often and about repetetive tasks she does at work
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May 06 15:57:28 <Hedgehog456>	I had a dream where the CIA were trying to kill me and I walked into a glass house but then an egg exploded and I was seriously injured, and I was taken away to Egyptian mythology, where I killed two gods before finding out it was an MMORPG and everyone killing me
May 06 15:58:34 <Fluffernutter>	you need to lay off the sauce, Hedgehog456
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May 06 15:58:46 <Hedgehog456>	I think it was because I was playing an MMORPG and reading conspiracy theories too often
May 06 15:59:20 <Hedgehog456>	My dreams are weird
May 06 15:59:33 <Fluffernutter>	clearly
May 06 15:59:45 <Hedgehog456>	I can remember another one
May 06 15:59:45 <Alley^Away>	makin' page "Paranoid_is_not_a_song_but_what_I_am"? :P
May 06 16:00:08 <Pesky>	Scariest thing in my dreams is always me :o(
May 06 16:00:47 <Alley^Away>	on-topic, what's the 'max age' / 'life expectancy' on discussions on WP?
May 06 16:00:59 <Pesky>	Depends on the subject
May 06 16:01:18 <Fluffernutter>	and the venue
May 06 16:01:21 <Alley^Away>	hehe only fear strange voices in your head when they speak in tongues you don't know ;)
May 06 16:01:29 <Fluffernutter>	and whether any controversial people get involved in it
May 06 16:01:37 <Alley^Away>	'k
May 06 16:01:39 <BarkingFish>	Alley^Away: You could ask how long a piece of string is :)  It's dependant on what's being spoken about, sometimes days, sometimes a month or three.
May 06 16:02:06 <BarkingFish>	the flagged revisions thing has been going 6 months or more now I think.
May 06 16:02:13 <jps>	I have a dream that some day I will not be a controversial person
May 06 16:02:21 <Alley^Away>	was just readin' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gangsta%27s_Paradise_%28song%29 - and seriously, the whole discussion about where what belongs seems to have been settled years ago :)
May 06 16:02:34 <Fluffernutter>	BarkingFish: Brad just said that he's closing it tonight
May 06 16:02:43 <Alley^Away>	uhm sry, no idea about flagged revisions ;)
May 06 16:02:53 <Pesky>	Where have you been? lol!
May 06 16:02:57 <BarkingFish>	Fluffernutter: finally :)
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May 06 16:03:20 <Alley^Away>	if that was for me, mostly on the danish pages hehe
May 06 16:03:22 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: closing what?
May 06 16:03:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[European Air Racing Championship]] - this needs something, and I'm not in the mood to figure out exactly what
May 06 16:03:30 <Pesky>	PC/FR
May 06 16:03:37 <Ironholds>	BarkingFish: a piece of string is twice as long as half its length. sorted.
May 06 16:03:44 <BarkingFish>	:)
May 06 16:04:00 <Pesky>	12.5 inches
May 06 16:04:00 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah, a lede. Anyone feel like trying to give that one a lede?
May 06 16:04:22 <Pesky>	Some piece of string, somewhere, has to be 12.5 inches.  So "a" piece of string is that.
May 06 16:04:52 <Pesky>	When is string cord?  And whn is cord rope?
May 06 16:05:02 *	Alley^Away recalculates to a proper measurement
May 06 16:05:11 <Pesky>	More interesting question si "Why is a piece of string?"
May 06 16:05:30 <Alley^Away>	'cause else guitars would be darn boring
May 06 16:05:32 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky: define "is" :P
May 06 16:05:39 <Pesky>	How long is a piece of string theory?
May 06 16:05:55 <Pesky>	is = in a state of being
May 06 16:06:02 *	Alley^Away wonders where to find the infinity sign on a keybaord
May 06 16:06:16 <Fluffernutter>	Alley^Away: turn it sideways and hit the "8" key
May 06 16:06:35 <Pesky>	Or use a symbols font
May 06 16:06:39 <tommorris>	Alley^Away: it depends on the OS
May 06 16:06:49 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[Funky Taurus]]
May 06 16:06:53 <tommorris>	the easiest way? Go to [[Infinity]] and copy the symbol to the clipboard
May 06 16:06:57 <Dragonfly6-7>	Pesky - how long is a chinese man ?
May 06 16:07:06 <Pesky>	dunno
May 06 16:07:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	or, rather
May 06 16:07:12 <Pesky>	but not 12.5 inches
May 06 16:07:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	How Long is a Chinese man.
May 06 16:07:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	hello, How Long
May 06 16:07:23 <Alley^Away>	tommorris: I'd hope the ascii code was the same no matter... but then again
May 06 16:07:37 <Pesky>	.. cousin og Wun Hung Lo?
May 06 16:07:46 <tommorris>	it's not in ASCII
May 06 16:07:58 <tommorris>	it's U+221E in Unicode
May 06 16:08:14 <Alley^Away>	¦
May 06 16:08:17 <Alley^Away>	hm
May 06 16:08:17 <jps>	Dragonfly6-7: compare to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneider_Trophy#Revived_race
May 06 16:08:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	jps - I'm doing too many things at once. Can you handle it?
May 06 16:08:40 *	Pesky gonna go mow the lawn … back later
May 06 16:08:41 <Alley^Away>	also kinda depends on irc charset and server I guess :P
May 06 16:08:56 <tommorris>	on Windows, Alt+236
May 06 16:09:01 <Grzechooo>	ý
May 06 16:09:03 <Alley^Away>	ý
May 06 16:09:26 <TBloemink>	ý
May 06 16:09:28 <Grzechooo>	∞
May 06 16:09:32 <Alley^Away>	nah, not under default - thats more kinda iso-8859-1
May 06 16:09:33 <Grzechooo>	ALT+08734
May 06 16:09:43 <Alley^Away>	͂
May 06 16:09:50 <Grzechooo>	hmm
May 06 16:09:50 <TBloemink>	☼
May 06 16:09:52 <jps>	Dragonfly6-7: sorry, redirecting fraud articles used to be fun, but now it's above my nonpay grade
May 06 16:09:53 <Alley^Away>	∞
May 06 16:09:55 <Alley^Away>	ah
May 06 16:10:03 <tommorris>	wow, Windows is weird
May 06 16:10:05 <TBloemink>	♫
May 06 16:10:06 <Grzechooo>	I just put 221E in calc and converted to decimals
May 06 16:10:07 <Alley^Away>	indeed
May 06 16:10:20 <tommorris>	I type AltGr+2 and it rotates my laptop screen round to portrait
May 06 16:10:24 <Grzechooo>	added 0 in front of it and boom, it works for me
May 06 16:10:25 <Alley^Away>	then again, mac is weirder
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May 06 16:10:54 <tommorris>	The Mac is perfectly sensible
May 06 16:11:06 <wctaiwan>	tommorris: careful there..
May 06 16:11:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	jps - wait, would you say that's a fake?
May 06 16:11:08 <tommorris>	I mean, yes, it has Command, Control and Option
May 06 16:11:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	or does it just need a new lede?
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May 06 16:11:39 <tommorris>	And Option has the word "Alt" on the keyboard, while Command has a weird squiggly symbol
May 06 16:11:45 <tommorris>	but, trust me, it makes sense! ;-)
May 06 16:11:55 <wctaiwan>	tommorris: there's an interesting story behind that symbol.
May 06 16:12:02 <jps>	I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Air_Racing_Championship is a fabrication intended as humor by a writer at the 14th grade level
May 06 16:12:11 <wctaiwan>	14th grade?
May 06 16:12:18 <jps>	college sophmore?
May 06 16:12:21 <jps>	sophomore*
May 06 16:12:34 <wctaiwan>	oh.
May 06 16:12:40 <wctaiwan>	does someone want to CSD that or should I?
May 06 16:12:56 <jps>	I would prod it gently from a cellphone
May 06 16:13:14 <jps>	if I thought it wouldn't give my location data away....
May 06 16:13:40 <Dragonfly6-7>	jps - okay, I'm missing the reason why it's a joke?
May 06 16:13:53 <wctaiwan>	wait um, yeah, it looks legitimate
May 06 16:14:03 <wctaiwan>	since there is an article on air racing
May 06 16:14:08 <wctaiwan>	which does date back to 1908
May 06 16:14:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	jps - explain please.
May 06 16:14:15 <wctaiwan>	unless that too is a hoax
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May 06 16:14:37 <jps>	it's not listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Aero_Club#Air_races
May 06 16:14:38 <tommorris>	there's some potential 3RR violations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1982_World_Snooker_Championship&action=history - see also http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User+talk%3aArmbrust&diff=427758065&oldid=427757233
May 06 16:15:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	jps - 'not listed on wikipedia' doesn't necessarily mean 'not real'
May 06 16:15:14 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: no google result either
May 06 16:15:29 <jps>	yeah I googled it too.  If it's a real race the MI6 doesn't want anyone to know about it
May 06 16:15:51 <wctaiwan>	there are mentions
May 06 16:16:00 <wctaiwan>	but at the very least the organisation does not have a website
May 06 16:16:26 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah, thank you
May 06 16:16:33 *	Dragonfly6-7 deletes as 'unverifiable'
May 06 16:17:00 *	[Pmlineditor] is now known as PM|AFK
May 06 16:18:10 *	tommorris has gone from 'Yeoman Editor' to 'Experienced Editor'
May 06 16:18:28 *	Dragonfly6-7 doesn't keep track of that stuff
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May 06 16:18:44 *	Fluffernutter didn't think anyone actually used those badge things
May 06 16:19:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	some people do
May 06 16:19:11 <tommorris>	it's just a bit of fun
May 06 16:19:11 <Fluffernutter>	buti mean...why?
May 06 16:19:32 <topaz>	they're cute?
May 06 16:19:42 <topaz>	I like the names.
May 06 16:19:48 <tommorris>	same reason people enjoy Wikipe-tan
May 06 16:19:55 <topaz>	"a Grand Tutnum of the Encyclopedia!"
May 06 16:19:55 <tommorris>	actually, NOT the same reason people enjoy Wikipe-tan
May 06 16:20:33 <Fluffernutter>	usually the only time i see them being used is someone bludgeoning someone else. "Well, clearly you don't know what you're talking about. Whereas *I* am an Experienced Editor. Now stop doing something I don't like."
May 06 16:20:56 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: wait, so people like the badges because they're freeware wank material involving children in short skirts?
May 06 16:21:51 <tommorris>	they are for both
May 06 16:22:15 <tommorris>	masturbating to child porn and being an insufferable jerk. that's the Wiki Way.
May 06 16:22:31 <Fluffernutter>	well, certainly one of those two
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May 06 16:24:44 <Dragonfly6-7>	QUOTE MINE
May 06 16:24:50 <wctaiwan>	oh crap Dragonfly6-7
May 06 16:25:04 <wctaiwan>	can you undelete that article and put up a no sources tag instead?
May 06 16:25:14 <wctaiwan>	digging deeper it looks like it does exist, just not very well documented
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May 06 16:25:18 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah!
May 06 16:25:22 <Ironholds>	tommorris: guess where I am on the tutnum scale?
May 06 16:25:23 <wctaiwan>	see http://www.airraceuk.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=55
May 06 16:25:24 <Dragonfly6-7>	I'll undelete it and YOU add sources
May 06 16:25:24 <Dragonfly6-7>	got it?
May 06 16:25:32 <wctaiwan>	:/ I might not be able to
May 06 16:25:37 <jps>	Dragonfly6-7: I wish you would have prodded [[European Air Racing Championship]] instead of deleting it so quickly, it would be fun to look at the history and see who worked on it
May 06 16:25:40 <wctaiwan>	it's not well documented, like I said.
May 06 16:26:14 <wctaiwan>	and that piece was not encyclopaedic, either, best I could do would be to replace it with a stub
May 06 16:26:15 *	Herodotus gives Fluffernutter an ever-meaningful barnstar.
May 06 16:26:22 *	Fluffernutter blinks
May 06 16:26:23 <Dragonfly6-7>	would you say "not an article" ?
May 06 16:26:41 <Fluffernutter>	is it the Bitter Old Whiner's Barnstar? (does that exist? it should!)
May 06 16:27:08 <Ironholds>	Apparently I'm an Illustrious Looshpah
May 06 16:27:16 <Ironholds>	that sounds like I'm used for soaping out scrotums
May 06 16:27:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	"sounds like" ?
May 06 16:27:44 <Ironholds>	shut up
May 06 16:27:44 <Fluffernutter>	snerk
May 06 16:28:06 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: I don't think it's notable enough, personally (it looks like an event held by a regional club with a big name), but it *may* warrant a prod or an afd discussion instead of outright deletion.
May 06 16:28:07 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: you, it looks like, qualify as a Lustless Windbag
May 06 16:28:09 <Ironholds>	which is similar
May 06 16:28:14 <wctaiwan>	I'm sorry about the hasty CSD suggestion.
May 06 16:28:34 *	Fluffernutter plonks
May 06 16:28:38 <jps>	prod is always preferable to deletion, except in cases of malice, isn't it?
May 06 16:28:45 *	Dragonfly6-7 shrugs
May 06 16:28:59 <Dragonfly6-7>	If I restore it, I expect you to AfD it
May 06 16:29:00 <Dragonfly6-7>	got that?
May 06 16:29:04 <jps>	well think about it in terms of http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/05/02/neweditorwarnings/ in this case
May 06 16:29:09 <wctaiwan>	Okay, fair deal.
May 06 16:29:14 <tommorris>	Ironholds: Most Perfect Tutnum
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May 06 16:30:05 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I am pretty perfect
May 06 16:31:13 <topaz>	huh, I hadn't seen anyone using those silly badges to attack each other. That's pretty tacky.
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May 06 16:31:21 <jps>	there is always room for improvement
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May 06 16:32:08 <Fluffernutter>	topaz: it's possible that most people use them for happy recognition, but just that no one really mentions them in conversation onwiki unless they're using them as a dick measure
May 06 16:32:19 <topaz>	*nod*
May 06 16:34:14 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: should I sit here and wait for you to restore that article so that I can nominate it at AfD? Or is that further down your todo list and I should do something else first?
May 06 16:35:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	just a moment
May 06 16:35:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	doing that now
May 06 16:35:30 <wctaiwan>	okay.
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May 06 16:36:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	okay, restored
May 06 16:37:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	wctaiwan - go ahead
May 06 16:37:21 <wctaiwan>	Okay, thanks.
May 06 16:37:47 <Fluffernutter>	what's the code for making a reflist have two columns?
May 06 16:38:09 <jps>	lols @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Boot
May 06 16:38:38 <wctaiwan>	guy's site is funny too jps
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May 06 16:39:06 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: it's horribly complex
May 06 16:39:11 <jps>	wow http://www.geoffreyboot4mhk.org/achievements.html
May 06 16:39:11 <Ironholds>	{{reflist|2}}
May 06 16:39:17 <Ironholds>	guess how you make it display 3?
May 06 16:41:46 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: why is it showing as afd3?
May 06 16:41:58 <tommorris>	I should vote for the guy because he has a Guinness World Record? SRSLY?
May 06 16:42:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	sorry?
May 06 16:42:13 <jps>	maybe he has influence with the Isle of Man parliament and has had them pass a certificate congratulating him on winning a race that doesn't seem to exist anywhere else
May 06 16:42:30 <wctaiwan>	The preloaded tag says afd3 despite that there doesn't seem to be prior nominations.
May 06 16:42:31 <Dragonfly6-7>	wctaiwan - I have no idea what you mean?
May 06 16:42:37 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah
May 06 16:42:38 *	Dragonfly6-7 shrugs
May 06 16:42:44 <Dragonfly6-7>	maybe you typed it wrong?
May 06 16:42:46 <wctaiwan>	wait oh
May 06 16:42:49 <wctaiwan>	Never mind >_>
May 06 16:42:49 <wctaiwan>	sorry
May 06 16:43:03 <wctaiwan>	I misunderstood. I thought afd3 indicates that it's the 3rd nomination
May 06 16:43:26 <jps>	"He was created a Freeman of the City of London and Liveryman of the Guild of Air Pilots and Navigators." what does that even mean?
May 06 16:43:57 <wctaiwan>	freeman of the city of london = can herd sheep over london bridge
May 06 16:43:59 <wctaiwan>	I think.
May 06 16:44:02 <tommorris>	yep
May 06 16:44:10 <Ironholds>	jps; they're honourary positions
May 06 16:44:26 <wctaiwan>	I wonder if that has ever been on DYK.
May 06 16:44:31 *	tommorris wants whatever position it is that lets him legally throw piles of horse manure at investment bankers.
May 06 16:44:35 <wctaiwan>	it's one of the hilariously odd stuff
May 06 16:44:35 <Ironholds>	the Guild of Air Pilots and Navigators is the official and honourary guild for those bloody sky-drivers
May 06 16:44:43 <Ironholds>	tommorris: civil servant?
May 06 16:45:03 *	Fluffernutter mentally casts tommorris in the next American Psycho film
May 06 16:45:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	now I know how far you'd go / to be the next freak show, american psycho / cover of a magazine / patron saint to troubled teens / wish i'd never heard your name
May 06 16:45:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	([[Treble Charger]])
May 06 16:47:20 <tommorris>	"There are a number of rights traditionally but apocryphally associated with Freemen.the right to drive sheep and cattle over London Bridge; to a silken rope, if hanged; to carry a naked sword in public; or that if the City of London Police finds a freeman drunk and incapable, they will bundle him or her into a taxi and send them home rather than throw them into a cell. While sheep have occasionally been driven over London Bridge on specia
May 06 16:47:26 <TBloemink>	weird nazi-style user-page vandalism on my user page
May 06 16:47:44 <TBloemink>	lets bring in the userbox: This userpage has been vandalized ... times
May 06 16:47:54 <jps>	it is possible that the Isle of Man Parliament has instituted a European Air Racing Championship, but I think trying to live vicariously through a manufactured biography and achievements is either more likely or much the same kind of thing
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May 06 16:55:14 <jps>	because of the Isle of Man's unique folklore, I'm unable to verify the authenticity of anything associated with it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkan_Sonney
May 06 16:55:50 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: Done, for what it's worth.
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May 06 17:05:55 *	Fluffernutter piles on and hugs derp too
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May 06 17:07:06 <tommorris>	holy moley, the AFC backlog is large
May 06 17:07:12 <tommorris>	156 articles!
May 06 17:07:19 *	Hedgehog456 pulls tommorris in
May 06 17:07:35 <tommorris>	a writhing heap?
May 06 17:07:37 <tommorris>	kinky.
May 06 17:07:52 <Hedgehog456>	:(
May 06 17:08:02 *	Hedgehog456 destroys tommorris with cosmic fire
May 06 17:08:18 *	Fluffernutter backs out of heap. I'm not that kind of girl!
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May 06 17:08:47 <Despatche>	http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/cell_phone_in_microwave.gif
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May 06 17:09:57 <Hedgehog456>	ew.
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May 06 17:11:10 <Leef5>	appreciate some advice - if anyone has the time.  in particular with dealing with a pov pusher (ownership, wikilawyering, civility) you name it ;)
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May 06 17:29:30 <Pesky>	Well there's an unholy silence!
May 06 17:29:45 <Pesky>	And I'm not your gal on this - don;t know half enough!
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May 06 17:30:12 <Hedgehog456>	AV, AV, AV, AV!
May 06 17:30:30 <Pesky>	Insects are not having a good time with me today ….
May 06 17:30:55 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: AV!
May 06 17:31:03 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 06 17:31:50 <Pesky>	AV?
May 06 17:32:00 <Pesky>	Really?
May 06 17:32:36 <Pesky>	… I accidentally disturbed a bumble-bee nest this morning; and seriously-on-purpose destroyed a wasps nest this afternoon
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May 06 17:33:24 <Hedgehog456>	AV isn't faring well atm.
May 06 17:33:33 <Pesky>	Neither are the waps
May 06 17:33:36 <Pesky>	wasps
May 06 17:33:46 <Pesky>	… which are a little closer to home
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May 06 17:34:43 <geniice>	hmm http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Candidates/en no women and only 3 beards
May 06 17:35:58 <Theo10011>	some of those are good candidates.
May 06 17:36:38 <Theo10011>	surprised not a lot of people from the active english wikipedia community run for the board.
May 06 17:36:57 <Ironholds>	Theo10011, they do
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May 06 17:37:03 <Ironholds>	geniice, I know of at least one woman running
May 06 17:37:13 <Ironholds>	how about you both cease judgment until the nominations close, eh?
May 06 17:37:17 <WhiteWriter>	People, what about this?
May 06 17:37:21 <Theo10011>	ya, at least one.
May 06 17:37:24 <WhiteWriter>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Davidshabulafia
May 06 17:37:26 <WhiteWriter>	What we do with this situations.
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May 06 17:38:06 <WhiteWriter>	WP:COI
May 06 17:38:07 <WhiteWriter>	?
May 06 17:38:15 <Theo10011>	idk
May 06 17:38:21 <Theo10011>	tag it for notability, I guess.
May 06 17:38:45 <WhiteWriter>	But what about user Davidshabulafia, who edited same page
May 06 17:38:57 <geniice>	Theo10011 it probably helps if board memebers speak at least two languages which disqualifies a far chunk (although far from all) of the en community
May 06 17:38:58 <WhiteWriter>	what is wiki rule regarding this
May 06 17:39:37 <Pesky>	I'd say probably ok for notability, after an ultra-quick look.
May 06 17:39:58 <Theo10011>	I understand that geniice, but in my opinion that is beginning to hurt the situation.
May 06 17:40:23 <Theo10011>	considering the fact that the english Wikipedia is the largest project, there's not enough representation on the board.
May 06 17:40:25 <geniice>	Theo10011 en already gets far more attention than any other project
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May 06 17:41:10 <Theo10011>	It does, but the board should have a healthy mix from the largest community as well.
May 06 17:41:25 <geniice>	hmm a good DYK "that an extremophile bacterium, Paracoccus denitrificans, has been found to grow even under 400,000 times Earth's gravity, a fact having implications on the feasibility of panspermia?"
May 06 17:41:45 <geniice>	What I want to know is what train of thought leads people to think of testing that
May 06 17:41:46 <Pesky>	I saw that one in the queue - looked v. intersting
May 06 17:42:11 <Pesky>	There's a lot of interest in extremophilics
May 06 17:43:11 <Theo10011>	ya they've been found in places where life was never expected to be.
May 06 17:43:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	panspermia is just a hypothesis
May 06 17:43:50 <geniice>	yes but when you think about testing extremophiles you usualy think about conditions actualy found on earth (heat cold pressure radiation etc)
May 06 17:44:02 <Theo10011>	the research does have a lot of implication on astrobiology.
May 06 17:45:27 <Pesky>	Testers think of /everything/
May 06 17:45:33 <Pesky>	It's the kind of minds they have
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May 06 17:48:45 <geniice>	I really doubt if anyone has tested bacteria for growing when exposed to high levels of scandium
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May 06 17:50:27 <geniice>	oh and aparently no one tested Zam Zam holy water for arsenic untill very recently
May 06 17:50:56 <geniice>	Theo10011 what that life might be able to survive the gravity effects of a supernova?
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May 06 17:51:43 <Pesky>	I think more that there is likely to be life in places that we hadn't previously considered to be 'capable of sustaioning life'
May 06 17:54:39 <Theo10011>	geniice exobiology would cover a larger field than just that, there's already been theories about life growing on one of jupiters moon.
May 06 17:54:45 <Theo10011>	or a stray asteroid.
May 06 17:55:03 <geniice>	yes but 400,000g? I don't think we are going to reclassify neutron stars as "capable of sustaining life"
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May 06 17:55:21 <Theo10011>	heh
May 06 17:55:35 <Pesky>	But … supose they are?
May 06 17:55:48 <Pesky>	Just for the sake of supposing ...
May 06 17:55:50 <Theo10011>	not every asteroid has to be affected by Supernova.
May 06 17:56:05 <Theo10011>	its just extreme of space that they have to survive.
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May 06 17:56:33 <geniice>	Theo10011 I'm not saying it isn't useful but I'm trying to get my head around the thought process to get there. I mean 400Kg is what we use to seperate the bits of backteria after we've mashed them up
May 06 17:57:22 <Theo10011>	400 Kg?
May 06 17:57:25 <Pesky>	Is that how they discovered it?
May 06 17:58:02 <Pesky>	(kilo-gravs)
May 06 17:59:42 <Theo10011>	hmm I know Kilogram and Kilogauss, never heard of Kilo-gravs.
May 06 18:00:00 <Pesky>	prob not the 'correct' name, but gets the idea across
May 06 18:01:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	4*10^5 g
May 06 18:01:43 <Ironholds>	Kilo-gravs
May 06 18:01:50 <Ironholds>	they measure out thousandths of gravy
May 06 18:01:55 <Pesky>	Thass wot I sed!
May 06 18:02:23 <Pesky>	oh - so what measures thousandzzzzz
May 06 18:02:54 <Pesky>	and - are you sure?
May 06 18:03:08 <Ironholds>	Pesky: how do you ensure the death of a computer?
May 06 18:03:10 <Ironholds>	with killer bites
May 06 18:03:20 <Pesky>	Or a terminal illness
May 06 18:03:29 <Pesky>	:o)
May 06 18:04:17 <Ironholds>	sigh
May 06 18:05:03 <Pesky>	Why the long face?
May 06 18:06:12 <Ironholds>	I'm secretly a horse
May 06 18:06:43 <Dragonfly6-7>	that explains the odor
May 06 18:06:44 <MuZemike>	Of course, of course
May 06 18:06:57 <Qcoder00>	Me is worried
May 06 18:07:12 <Qcoder00>	I did at least 300 image updates today :(
May 06 18:07:31 <Qcoder00>	Perhaps I should ask for 'pusedo' bot status?
May 06 18:07:36 <Qcoder00>	XD
May 06 18:07:48 <Pesky>	Thinks of risqé things to say about horses ……
May 06 18:08:11 <Ironholds>	stop it, or I'll think you're flirting with me ;p
May 06 18:08:14 <Pesky>	I am (actually) a "horse whisperer"
May 06 18:08:22 <Ironholds>	bugger, the AV referendum really has shitted
May 06 18:08:36 <Pesky>	Horrible name, that
May 06 18:08:47 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds: ? I'd been trying to avoid the AV results
May 06 18:08:50 <Pesky>	They should have come up with a better thing than that
May 06 18:09:06 <Qcoder00>	I assume the AV result is not going the way the Lib Dems expected?
May 06 18:09:19 <tommorris>	Ironholds: I'm getting angry about it here - http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Comments:UK_holds_referendum_on_voting_system
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May 06 18:09:31 <Pesky>	The No campaign were spreading a lot more stuff abou than the Yes-men
May 06 18:10:03 <tommorris>	also, this is quite a funny undeletion reqeust - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3aRequests+for+undeletion&diff=427766877&oldid=427722671
May 06 18:10:18 <tommorris>	"my wife would get a kick out of it"
May 06 18:10:31 <Qcoder00>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13309581 - Hmm hardly suprising someone would try to blame Anonymous for a cyber attack
May 06 18:11:16 *	tommorris may start using "my {family member} would get a kick out of it" in sexuality-related AfDs
May 06 18:11:26 <Fluffernutter>	lol tommorris
May 06 18:11:35 <Pesky>	lol
May 06 18:11:42 <tommorris>	"I'm sexualy attracted to _____" so needs to go on the bad arguments at AfD page
May 06 18:11:48 <tommorris>	...and bad arguments at RfA page tbh
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May 06 18:12:06 <Pesky>	but ideally with the double -L
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May 06 18:12:40 <Jamietw>	Is there a Meta-Wiki IRC Channel?
May 06 18:12:43 *	tommorris bamez hus RSI 4 his sh1t typing
May 06 18:13:17 <Pesky>	I just blame the paws - they're not designed for it
May 06 18:13:26 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: what about "[Keep/oppose]. The other side is made up of pigfuckers"?
May 06 18:13:29 <geniice>	Jamietw #wikimedia would probably be the closest
May 06 18:13:35 <Jamietw>	Thanks
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May 06 18:14:12 <geniice>	tommorris pippa middleton AFD?
May 06 18:14:37 <Fluffernutter>	it would be worse if it was otto middleton
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May 06 18:16:54 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I got three people being complimentary about my appearance at my RfA
May 06 18:17:08 <Ironholds>	it made me feel uncomfortable and violated
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May 06 18:17:15 <Pesky>	haha
May 06 18:17:36 <Theo10011>	Jamietw #wikimedia-stewards is the closest meta channel.
May 06 18:17:48 <Theo10011>	Nothing ever happens in #wikimedia.
May 06 18:17:50 <Pesky>	I reckon you look like Charles II
May 06 18:18:00 <Pesky>	All you need is the right costume, and the hat
May 06 18:18:09 <Ironholds>	one did compliment my quote "lusciously flowing hair"
May 06 18:18:23 <Pesky>	luscious … now there's a good word
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May 06 18:18:45 <Pesky>	Did you stand by the fan and do that whole 'hair blowing in the wind' thing?
May 06 18:18:53 <Ironholds>	no, that doesn't work with me
May 06 18:19:11 <Pesky>	?
May 06 18:19:11 <Ironholds>	it sort of hits me in the face and I end up looking like the dog from the magic roundabout
May 06 18:19:17 <Pesky>	Dougal!
May 06 18:19:31 <Pesky>	The idea is that you have your face towards the fan, dear ...
May 06 18:19:46 <Pesky>	… not away from it
May 06 18:19:47 *	Fluffernutter snickers
May 06 18:19:58 <Ironholds>	for the wind to be strong enough to actually pull my (annoyingly thick) hair back in a sort of impressive flowy thing behind me which demands a greatsword and a leather greatcoat, it has to be strong enough that I need to close my eyes
May 06 18:20:08 <Ironholds>	which invariably leads to me falling over stuff, kinda ruining the whole thing
May 06 18:20:28 <Ironholds>	or in one occasion, running into a lamppost
May 06 18:20:38 <Pesky>	Noooo, you have to stand still, with that wossname word which I can't remember look on your face (accoutns for the screwed up eyes)
May 06 18:20:48 <Fluffernutter>	enigmatic?
May 06 18:20:52 <Pesky>	no
May 06 18:20:52 <geniice>	see glasses solve that problem
May 06 18:21:08 <Pesky>	Greatsword and leather greatcoat don;t really go
May 06 18:21:29 <Pesky>	Greatsword and mysterious black cape goes
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May 06 18:21:52 <Pesky>	And long leather boots with turned-over tops
May 06 18:22:07 <Pesky>	Aha!  Highwayman's mask - that would get over the eye thing
May 06 18:22:24 <Ironholds>	Pesky: the greatsword would, obviously, be in my hand
May 06 18:22:30 <Pesky>	Well, yes
May 06 18:22:35 <Ironholds>	swinging in a louche and yet deadly fashion as I walked
May 06 18:22:42 <Ironholds>	the leather boots are a must
May 06 18:22:43 <Pesky>	minced
May 06 18:23:18 <Ironholds>	and a fedora
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May 06 18:23:24 <Pesky>	And you have to do that throw-the-sword-spinning-into-the-air-and-then-(carefully)-catch-it thing, too
May 06 18:23:26 <geniice>	if the backsword was good enough for George Silver it's good enough for anyone else
May 06 18:23:28 <Ironholds>	basically I'm saying Harry Dresden but without the sex appeal thing
May 06 18:23:31 <Pesky>	No, not a fedora.  Wrong look
May 06 18:23:44 <Pesky>	Sex appeal - please give generously, kind of thing?
May 06 18:23:45 <Theo10011>	Is Ironholds cross-dressing?
May 06 18:23:53 <Dragonfly6-7>	when isn't he
May 06 18:23:58 <Pesky>	No, it's the highwayman look
May 06 18:24:14 <Pesky>	Tricorne would do OK
May 06 18:24:24 <Theo10011>	really? highwaymen wear fedoras?
May 06 18:24:24 <Ironholds>	eh, I was thinking http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Yumi68/HarryDresden.jpg
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May 06 18:24:39 <Ironholds>	but really, dressing me up is the ol' lipstick on a pig problem
May 06 18:24:55 <Pesky>	Not a bad pic, on the whole
May 06 18:25:06 <Fluffernutter>	you could work a fedora, i think, Ironholds
May 06 18:25:12 <Pesky>	I wouldn't mind dressing you up as Charles II
May 06 18:25:20 <Pesky>	Cloak and tricorne
May 06 18:25:27 <Pesky>	and unicorn
May 06 18:25:28 <Ironholds>	and the tights, and shoes with tiny tiny buckles
May 06 18:25:34 <Ironholds>	I'd make a good Charles II
May 06 18:25:37 <Pesky>	not tights, dear, /hose/
May 06 18:25:43 <Ironholds>	although at some point if I actually get a career I need to cut all my hair off
May 06 18:25:46 <Ironholds>	it won't fit under my wig
May 06 18:25:49 <Pesky>	Why?
May 06 18:25:50 <Ironholds>	I know this because, yes, I tried
May 06 18:26:19 <Pesky>	Any career which requires you to be other than yourself is the wrong career fo you
May 06 18:26:27 <Pesky>	That's philosophy
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May 06 18:26:37 <Ironholds>	yes, there is a minor problem
May 06 18:26:47 <Ironholds>	which is that there is no career for lazy misanthropic sociopaths
May 06 18:26:51 <Pesky>	So don;t go playing with monirs ...
May 06 18:26:53 <Ironholds>	I mean, I could maybe be a serial killer
May 06 18:26:55 <Pesky>	minors
May 06 18:26:58 <Ironholds>	but I'd probably get bored and turn myself in
May 06 18:27:15 <Ironholds>	or just forget to sleep because I was writing a wikipedia article all night, and then end up dozing off at the scene of the crime
May 06 18:27:24 <Pesky>	Take a sledgehammer to a packet of Weetabix instead - most people wouldn't know the difference
May 06 18:27:27 <Headbomb>	holy tits, apparently Ahmadinejad is considering resignation
May 06 18:27:30 <Headbomb>	http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/05/201156113955925329.html
May 06 18:27:42 <Theo10011>	on the plus side, they might let you edit from the prison.
May 06 18:27:46 <Ironholds>	Pesky: that's also not a career
May 06 18:27:52 <geniice>	Headbomb there's been some internal conflict going on in iran for a while
May 06 18:27:52 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: that'd make CU results damned interesting
May 06 18:28:03 <Theo10011>	heh
May 06 18:28:36 <Headbomb>	geniice: i know, but usually it seemed to be of the "i might as well be king so fuck you all"
May 06 18:28:43 <Pesky>	You're far too much of a free spirit ever to settle happily into a p[rison - so better avoid that route
May 06 18:28:48 <geniice>	Headbomb my guess is the clerics and the revolutionary guard are getting worried about the basij
May 06 18:28:56 <Ironholds>	I'm not really a free spirit
May 06 18:29:03 <Ironholds>	I mean, it's not like I actively dislike order
May 06 18:29:09 <Ironholds>	I just can't be arsed to follow it
May 06 18:29:14 <Pesky>	That's not what a free spirit is
May 06 18:29:29 <Pesky>	Free spirits can like order, so long as the order isn't oppression
May 06 18:29:32 <Headbomb>	probably has to do with Khamenei being a dickweed
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May 06 18:29:52 <jps>	woah http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/flooding-before-after_2011-05-04
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May 06 18:30:08 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I'm a hipster by default
May 06 18:30:11 <geniice>	Headbomb he is but he's diffifult to remove. He's maged to build a power base within the revolutionary guard see
May 06 18:30:20 <Ironholds>	it's "I'd like, TOTALLY GET INVOLVED IN YOUR MAINSTREAM EVENT, only I can't be arsed"
May 06 18:30:42 <Ironholds>	there is unfortunately no career which involves "be paid to write Wikipedia articles and pleasure Felicia Day"
May 06 18:30:42 <Pesky>	Funny how many intelligent people feel like that about so many things
May 06 18:31:02 <Pesky>	the cba thing
May 06 18:31:06 <geniice>	well not the second one no
May 06 18:31:36 <Pesky>	Somewhere out there is the absolute ideal career
May 06 18:31:44 <Headbomb>	also, lol @ Mashaei and others arrested have been accused of invoking djinns [spirits].
May 06 18:31:48 <Ironholds>	which someone more intelligent than me will take
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May 06 18:31:55 <Pesky>	How about becoming a best selling  writer?
May 06 18:32:07 <Ironholds>	Pesky: yeah, I can't write fiction and I'm not qualified to write non-fiction
May 06 18:32:15 <Pesky>	Or even a just-about-getting by-enough writer?
May 06 18:32:16 <Ironholds>	I am halfway through writing one work of fiction
May 06 18:32:20 <Ironholds>	which mindspillage assures me is not terrible
May 06 18:32:28 <Pesky>	How do you know (and what makes you think) you can't write fiction?
May 06 18:32:40 <Ironholds>	because I used to try and it was awful ;p
May 06 18:32:45 <Pesky>	I am nearly half way through book 3 of a fantasy trilogy
May 06 18:33:02 <Pesky>	Maybe you just weren;t trying the right kind of fiction for you
May 06 18:33:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	what's the trilogy?
May 06 18:33:41 <Pesky>	'not published yet' is what it's called !
May 06 18:33:52 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 06 18:33:53 <Ironholds>	Pesky: the one thing I've ever tried to write which was any good was basically "here is a year of my life with heavy exaggeration", which isn't really fiction
May 06 18:34:00 <Pesky>	Writing is the easy part.  Finding an agent is really hard
May 06 18:34:17 <Ironholds>	and I can't imagine a right kind of fiction
May 06 18:34:37 <Pesky>	How about historic detective thrillers with legal background
May 06 18:34:41 <Ironholds>	now, if one of the major newspapers had a job called "write a column each day that skewers someone and then drenches them in bile", THAT I would do
May 06 18:34:57 <Ironholds>	Pesky: eh. na.
May 06 18:35:01 <Pesky>	why not?
May 06 18:35:02 <Theo10011>	I think you can write crime fiction.
May 06 18:35:08 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: because?
May 06 18:35:23 <Theo10011>	idk tap into that rage of yours.
May 06 18:35:27 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I don't like victorian history, victorian legal history or thrillers
May 06 18:35:29 <geniice>	Ironholds>	richard littlejohn isn't letting go of that job any time soon
May 06 18:35:35 <Ironholds>	geniice: hah. touche.
May 06 18:35:41 <Ironholds>	one day his bile duct will just explode
May 06 18:35:55 <Pesky>	Write about the life of a serial killer - what drives him / her to it, how they plan their series, how they make it almost impossible to tie them down . etc. etc.
May 06 18:35:56 <Dragonfly6-7>	"not a man who works as a cunt"
May 06 18:36:05 <Theo10011>	oooh like Dexter.
May 06 18:36:11 <geniice>	Pesky been done
May 06 18:36:13 <Pesky>	But go for not-Victorian, then!
May 06 18:36:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	or "I Am Not A Serial Killer"
May 06 18:36:30 <geniice>	Pesky been done. See Brother Cadfael
May 06 18:36:37 <Pesky>	geniice: but can always be done again.  Different killer, different thriller
May 06 18:36:54 <Pesky>	Yes, I like Cadfael. And also Jecks, and all the rest
May 06 18:36:55 <Ironholds>	Pesky: you don't really get detectives before the 18th and 19th enturies
May 06 18:37:03 <Hedgehog456>	yay
May 06 18:37:07 <Ironholds>	and I can't see it being very interesting
May 06 18:37:07 <geniice>	Pesky historical detective fiction is popular at the moment since it gets you around pesky problems like DNA testing
May 06 18:37:12 <Fluffernutter>	there's very little that's new in fiction. the differences, and the good and bad, come with the person who turns it into a story
May 06 18:37:16 <Pesky>	This is /fiction/ ……. yes?  So you can make them up.  That's the joy of fiction./
May 06 18:37:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	have you read the Lord Darcy novels?
May 06 18:37:21 <Hedgehog456>	the swear word hiding feature on my website doesn't block Scunthorpe
May 06 18:37:31 <Pesky>	Not Darcy, no
May 06 18:37:32 <tommorris>	sigh. I do wish vandals would stop inserting personal information. having to tell revdel and oversight about stuff is boring
May 06 18:37:35 <Ironholds>	Pesky: some day I shall show people the deliberately vomit-inducing slash fiction I wrote
May 06 18:37:38 <Ironholds>	how does that work? :p
May 06 18:37:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	Pesky - by Randall Garrett
May 06 18:37:40 <geniice>	Ironholds actualy some of the Brother Cadfael stuff isn't bad if very predictiable
May 06 18:37:55 <Ironholds>	geniice: not saying it's bad, just that I couldn't write it
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May 06 18:38:00 <Pesky>	The background is excellent
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May 06 18:38:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh, or Lawrence Block's "Bernie Rhodenbarr" novels, about a burglar who solves crimes
May 06 18:38:09 <Pesky>	The WImsey onses are very good
May 06 18:38:23 <Pesky>	Iron I bet you could write it.
May 06 18:38:27 <Ironholds>	doubt it
May 06 18:38:27 <OlEnglish>	hi all
May 06 18:38:32 <Dragonfly6-7>	he *has* to solve the crime, because if he doesn't, he's the most likely suspect
May 06 18:38:40 <Ironholds>	I'd try to write something deliberately bad for my own sick sense of amusement
May 06 18:38:40 <geniice>	Ironholds been done http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom#.22Girls_.28Scream.29_Aloud.22
May 06 18:38:46 <Dragonfly6-7>	and because he's a burglar, he has no problem with sneaking onto the crime scene and planting fake evidence
May 06 18:38:50 <Pesky>	Various deceased family members of mine wrote detective fiction as a sideline
May 06 18:38:58 <Theo10011>	Also, isn't publishing a dying business?
May 06 18:39:07 <Pesky>	Kind of.
May 06 18:39:14 <Dragonfly6-7>	all businesses are dying
May 06 18:39:18 <geniice>	Theo10011 it's unclear
May 06 18:39:19 <Ironholds>	about a sociopathic lawyer who deliberately commits crimes, frames others and then defends them to provide him with some sort of challenge
May 06 18:39:25 <Pesky>	But people still like paper books.  You can't really curl up under the covers comfortably with a computer
May 06 18:39:33 <Fluffernutter>	traditional, paper-and-pencil-based publishing is on a bit of a downswing
May 06 18:39:37 <Ironholds>	Pesky: the sexbot 3000 say different
May 06 18:39:40 <Theo10011>	Pesky: Kindle :)
May 06 18:39:40 <Ironholds>	*s
May 06 18:39:52 <geniice>	Pesky let me know when ctrl-F works on a book
May 06 18:40:00 <Pesky>	lol
May 06 18:40:01 <geniice>	ctrl-f rather
May 06 18:40:14 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  - I didn;t get the comment - brain-dead atm
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May 06 18:40:37 <Pesky>	… oh, OK, just got there ...
May 06 18:40:50 <Pesky>	I want a publisher.
May 06 18:40:56 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I know one!
May 06 18:41:02 <Ironholds>	his name's Mike
May 06 18:41:12 <Pesky>	Yes, but I bet they're "not taking on any new authors at present"
May 06 18:41:15 <Hedgehog456>	The Ironholds Sombre Literature Company
May 06 18:41:24 <Ironholds>	naw, they're pretty reasonable - he's got thousands of authors for his firm
May 06 18:41:33 <Ironholds>	I've even got the business card around here, hang on
May 06 18:41:40 <Ironholds>	yeah, it says "Mike Rosoft, Publisher"
May 06 18:41:43 <Ironholds>	that's what you wanted?
May 06 18:41:53 <Hedgehog456>	"IRONHOLDS - PUBLISH YOUR SOMBRE BOOKS HERE"
May 06 18:42:08 <Pesky>	Every publisher I;ve contacted says "we only take works via literary agents", and every literary agent says : "not taking on any new authors at present"
May 06 18:42:10 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456:
May 06 18:42:14 <Ironholds>	eck
May 06 18:42:28 <Ironholds>	I was going to say "I only accept volumes which are big enough to be used as offensive weaponry"
May 06 18:42:34 <Pesky>	haha
May 06 18:42:37 <Hedgehog456>	Haha
May 06 18:42:44 *	Tothwolf holds up a UNIX manual
May 06 18:42:45 <Ironholds>	"or to prop up my table, and don't expect to get paid for that, it's just a bit uneven"
May 06 18:42:47 *	Hedgehog456 updates the actual real business card
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May 06 18:42:53 <Pesky>	Ironholds, when I see you, you deserve to be spanked ….
May 06 18:42:54 <Dragonfly6-7>	Pesky - have you tried publishing short fiction first?
May 06 18:42:58 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: I said offensive weapon, not "banned under the geneva conventions as OTT"
May 06 18:43:05 <Pesky>	Short fiction's boring
May 06 18:43:08 <Ironholds>	Pesky: deserve? What did I do that was so wonderful?
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May 06 18:43:14 <Tothwolf>	Ironholds: you are no fun :P
May 06 18:43:19 <Pesky>	The Mike Rosoft thing
May 06 18:43:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	Pesky - but it gets you known.
May 06 18:43:27 <Ironholds>	I was quite proud of that
May 06 18:43:34 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: just like UNIX, then ;p
May 06 18:43:37 <Pesky>	Yes, it was good.  Graony, but good
May 06 18:43:39 *	Hedgehog456 holds up a UNIX Programmer's Manual - With Commentary
May 06 18:43:40 <Pesky>	groany
May 06 18:43:52 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky: you realize he has a thing for being spanked by grandmothers, right?
May 06 18:43:57 <Hedgehog456>	Even worse
May 06 18:43:59 <Pesky>	I did wonder ..
May 06 18:44:04 <killiondude>	> Al-Qaida confirmed the killing of Osama bin Laden Friday
May 06 18:44:05 <killiondude>	OSAMA IS STILL ALIVE WITH ELVIS AND TUPAC
May 06 18:44:12 <Pesky>	And Shergar
May 06 18:44:14 <Dragonfly6-7>	Fluffernutter-  who?
May 06 18:44:19 <Tothwolf>	killiondude: living on mars
May 06 18:44:38 <killiondude>	I wouldn't doubt it.
May 06 18:44:39 <Hedgehog456>	Tothwolf: with bunnies and Richard Nixon as their pets
May 06 18:44:40 <killiondude>	They are sneaky like that.
May 06 18:45:08 <Theo10011>	killiondude so biggie smalls is really dead.
May 06 18:45:53 <killiondude>	Banish the thought.
May 06 18:46:56 <Ironholds>	yes, I do love the old people
May 06 18:47:14 <Ironholds>	just when you think that blowjobs can't get better than a woman with 60 years of experience, they pop out their dentures
May 06 18:47:17 <Pesky>	I don't feel old, that's the troublew
May 06 18:48:15 <Pesky>	Apart from all the damaged joints ...
May 06 18:48:25 <Pesky>	But my teeth at least are still my own!
May 06 18:48:37 <Pesky>	(and sharp)
May 06 18:48:47 <Pesky>	cig brk
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May 06 18:49:18 <Ironholds>	mine aren't! I stole them
May 06 18:49:49 <tommorris>	Pesky: eww. Stop.
May 06 18:50:02 <tommorris>	oh, wait
May 06 18:50:04 <tommorris>	sorry
May 06 18:50:04 <tommorris>	misread
May 06 18:50:08 <tommorris>	Ironholds: Double eww. Stop. Now.
May 06 18:50:14 <Fluffernutter>	lawl
May 06 18:50:48 <Hedgehog456>	Or we release the Fenix from the ashes.
May 06 18:51:23 <geniice>	eh you see worse as a commons admin
May 06 18:51:43 <Ironholds>	tommorris: let me tell you..they don't START with white hair
May 06 18:51:45 *	Ironholds leers
May 06 18:52:48 *	Hedgehog456 raises the fenix from the ashes
May 06 18:53:12 <Ironholds>	oh FUCK
May 06 18:53:16 <Ironholds>	we lost chesterfield
May 06 18:53:25 <tommorris>	for some reason, I've been writing stubs for Citizendium this afternoon while vandal patrolling on enwp
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May 06 18:53:58 <Hedgehog456>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13297573 Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-
May 06 18:54:05 <Pesky>	Ironholds - no more comments about age until you can beat me at this game:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tree_climbing_in_the_New_Forest.png
May 06 18:54:21 <Tothwolf>	tommorris: copy/paste? ;)
May 06 18:54:26 <Pesky>	… and yes, that is actually me in that tree
May 06 18:54:27 *	Tothwolf chuckles
May 06 18:54:29 <Jeske_Couriano>	Anyone here familiar with Wikisource?
May 06 18:55:25 <tommorris>	Jeske_Couriano: a little bit
May 06 18:55:56 <Jeske_Couriano>	tommorris) There's someone in #wikipedia-en-help who needs some assistance with it
May 06 18:56:04 <Ironholds>	Pesky: taking out-of-focus pictures or climbing trees?
May 06 18:56:11 <Pesky>	In the tree
May 06 18:56:23 <Ironholds>	woman, when I was nine I was sent to a boarding school surrounded by forest
May 06 18:56:33 <Dragonfly6-7>	and your'e still there
May 06 18:56:34 <Ironholds>	the choices were sports or hiding in the woods
May 06 18:56:35 <Pesky>	Takes a lot of middle-body (OK, yes, and upper body, and lower body) strength to do that
May 06 18:56:39 <Ironholds>	I hate sports
May 06 18:56:41 <killiondude>	Sherrwood Forest?
May 06 18:56:45 <Ironholds>	I'm pretty good at tree-climbing
May 06 18:56:50 <Ironholds>	killiondude: sure, if it'll shut yu up
May 06 18:56:51 <Ironholds>	*o
May 06 18:57:05 <killiondude>	The United Kingdom is just a fairytale land.
May 06 18:57:09 <Pesky>	I am /excellent/ at tree-climbing
May 06 18:57:14 <Ironholds>	Pesky: you can't be
May 06 18:57:20 <Pesky>	Why not?
May 06 18:57:30 <Ironholds>	because you said that picture was your own work, in which case you must have been taking the picture, and not taking the tree
May 06 18:57:33 <Pesky>	I spent a large proportion of my childhook in trees
May 06 18:57:40 <Pesky>	OH's work counts as mine
May 06 18:57:42 <Ironholds>	unless you're telling me you've violated copyright law and I should delete that image? :p
May 06 18:57:44 <Ironholds>	OH?
May 06 18:57:50 <Pesky>	And vice-versa (private agreement we have)
May 06 18:57:55 <Pesky>	Other half
May 06 18:58:08 <Ironholds>	ahh
May 06 18:58:16 *	Ironholds snorts
May 06 18:58:33 <Ironholds>	my mind jumped to "private agreement means 'if he doesn't do what you say you cut a bit of him off in his sleep', right?"
May 06 18:58:46 <Pesky>	He would of course be perfectly happy to put that in writing if anyone questioned it
May 06 18:59:00 <Pesky>	Noooooo! I wouldn't do that to him!
May 06 18:59:12 <Ironholds>	you could taxidermy it and use it as a coatrack
May 06 18:59:18 <Pesky>	Mainly because he must be the only person on earth who can actually handle living with me3
May 06 18:59:25 <Ironholds>	he'd still be living with you
May 06 18:59:27 <Tothwolf>	bad Ironholds! bad!
May 06 18:59:30 <Ironholds>	it just wouldn't be a "he" any more
May 06 18:59:42 <Fluffernutter>	depends on what bits need to be present to count as a he
May 06 18:59:43 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: it's actually a very cunning plan
May 06 18:59:46 <Pesky>	He is  very unusual
May 06 19:00:03 <Pesky>	And there are certain bits of him that I would miss if they got amputated
May 06 19:00:03 <Ironholds>	I figure if I can only have every man in the world's penis removed, women will have no choice but to sleep with me
May 06 19:00:15 <Tothwolf>	Pesky: Ironholds fell out of a few too many trees in his younger years
May 06 19:00:19 <Pesky>	Ummmmm … no, lots of choices!
May 06 19:00:24 <Ironholds>	of course, faced with that dilemma, I predict most women would probably become voluntary lesbians
May 06 19:00:26 *	DQ|school is now known as [DeltaQuad]
May 06 19:00:34 <Ironholds>	or just head down to ann summers
May 06 19:00:36 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: they sell vibrators for a reason, you know
May 06 19:00:46 <Ironholds>	or hey, the nunneries always need more people
May 06 19:00:50 <geniice>	hmmm how much damage would this actualy do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_mm_Kolibri
May 06 19:00:57 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: I fell out of precisely the right number of tree
May 06 19:00:58 <Ironholds>	*s
May 06 19:01:11 <mindspillage>	precisely the right number for what?
May 06 19:01:16 <Pesky>	I haven't fallen out of any, I don;t think - I'm good at holding on
May 06 19:01:29 <Pesky>	And very flexible, so easy to chuck a leg around a bracnh and hang on
May 06 19:01:48 <mindspillage>	I've never fallen out of a tree. Fallen on plenty of other things though, including perfectly stationary floors.
May 06 19:01:51 <Pesky>	EDS has its uses
May 06 19:01:57 <Ironholds>	mindspillage: the right amount of brain damage
May 06 19:02:00 <Fluffernutter>	mindspillage: precisely the right number to render him the...him...that we see today
May 06 19:02:01 <Ironholds>	and yes, you fall over lots
May 06 19:02:22 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ironholds - you should read "Y, the Last Man"
May 06 19:02:27 <Tothwolf>	geniice: enough
May 06 19:02:30 <Pesky>	Stupid thing is that most of my more majhor injuries have resulted from really stupid things
May 06 19:02:34 <Ironholds>	geniice: very little, but I can think of a way to make it very, very deadly
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May 06 19:02:47 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[Y: the Last Man]]
May 06 19:02:55 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I've never broken a bone, been stung by a bee or wasp, or done any of the other things that people are meant to fear
May 06 19:02:59 <geniice>	ricin pellet?
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May 06 19:03:02 *	mindspillage has only a minor case of serious brain damage.
May 06 19:03:03 <Ironholds>	I iz immortal. or something.
May 06 19:03:21 <Ironholds>	mindspillage: I've told you, brain damage is not verbally-transmitted
May 06 19:03:27 *	Fluffernutter will do her best to remedy that next time she gets her hands on you, Ironholds. My shoulder is still sore from where you punched me.
May 06 19:03:34 <Ironholds>	talking to me might make your brain hurt, but that doesn't mean it's damaged
May 06 19:03:44 <Pesky>	I have seriously pranged cartilages in both knees (both fixed now by the clever surgeons) - not from playing rugby, tree-climbing, horse-falling-off, or anything like that ...
May 06 19:03:51 <Tothwolf>	geniice: [[Kinetic energy]]
May 06 19:04:00 <Ironholds>	geniice: no; a stronger charge and it'd be perfect for short-range shots to the head
May 06 19:04:02 <Pesky>	left knee I pranges by attempting to see what was stuck to the bottom of my sock ...
May 06 19:04:14 <Ironholds>	the reason .22 bullets are particularly effective at that is precisely because of their small size
May 06 19:04:29 <Ironholds>	penetrate the skull, not enough power to go out the other side, pings around and turns their brain into rasberry preserve.
May 06 19:04:41 <Pesky>	Yup .22 up into brain stem through nape of neck - always a nice clean one
May 06 19:04:43 <Dragonfly6-7>	mmm, raspberry
May 06 19:05:00 <Ironholds>	Pesky: in the days of yore I fired .22 rifles
May 06 19:05:08 <Pesky>	Me, too!
May 06 19:05:15 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter, did we fire a .22 weapon at your father's place, or was that one of the broken ones?
May 06 19:05:17 <Ironholds>	Pesky: rifles or handguns?
May 06 19:05:17 <Pesky>	I was in the school rifle club
May 06 19:05:21 <Pesky>	Rifles
May 06 19:05:22 <Fluffernutter>	no, we fired the 22
May 06 19:05:56 <Ironholds>	Pesky; was it by any chance a Lee Enfield?
May 06 19:05:59 <Tothwolf>	meh
May 06 19:06:00 <Pesky>	I was actually wuite good … but of course that was whole decades before you were born
May 06 19:06:06 <Pesky>	rofl
May 06 19:06:15 <Tothwolf>	varmint guns...
May 06 19:06:16 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky: just about everything was decades before he was born
May 06 19:06:25 <Ironholds>	the standard rifle for school shooting clubs seems to be the No. 4 Lee Enfield rechambered for .22
May 06 19:06:28 <Pesky>	Tell you what - I can actually, really, truly make flint arrow heads, if you want ...
May 06 19:06:36 <Ironholds>	which is neat, because that's what I used to fire
May 06 19:06:36 <Pesky>	never know when that might come in handy ..
May 06 19:06:45 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I can make massive aerial flaming dragons. HAH.
May 06 19:06:57 <Ironholds>	admittedly the one and only time I did it I ended up embedding a stanley knife through one of my knuckles
May 06 19:07:09 <Pesky>	i can do spear heads and hand axes, but I find serrated-edge blades really boring to try
May 06 19:07:20 <Ironholds>	you scare me
May 06 19:07:28 <Pesky>	So which breed of dragon dud you use?
May 06 19:07:34 <Hedgehog456>	^^
May 06 19:07:34 <Ironholds>	dragon dud?
May 06 19:07:36 <Pesky>	Why would that scare you?
May 06 19:07:42 <Pesky>	did
May 06 19:07:55 <Ironholds>	Pesky: because I'm waiting for the "and I have 30 sociopathic hyper-flexible grandchildren I have taught EVERYTHING I KNOW"
May 06 19:08:10 <Ironholds>	and breed, it was made of wicker, wax paper and fish glue
May 06 19:08:10 <Pesky>	hahahahaha! No, just five grandchildren at the last count
May 06 19:08:24 <Ironholds>	we cut and built it ourselves, set fire to it and launched it off the bell tower
May 06 19:08:30 <Ironholds>	the cutting bit was the problem
May 06 19:08:31 <Pesky>	fun!
May 06 19:08:35 <Ironholds>	mind you, I was 10
May 06 19:08:44 <Pesky>	Just last week, then, yes?
May 06 19:09:06 <Ironholds>	shut it, grandma
May 06 19:09:15 <Ironholds>	don't you have some canned prunes to be tucking into?
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May 06 19:09:20 <Pesky>	Quiet, infant, or I shall come and SPANK YOU
May 06 19:09:26 <Ironholds>	that's now illegal
May 06 19:09:28 <killiondude>	heh.
May 06 19:09:31 <Pesky>	So?
May 06 19:09:40 <Fluffernutter>	hah
May 06 19:09:45 <Ironholds>	..point
May 06 19:09:49 <Pesky>	You'd love it, anyway
May 06 19:10:18 <Fluffernutter>	ack spider on my desk
May 06 19:10:18 <Dragonfly6-7>	go do something useful on Wikipedia
May 06 19:10:19 <Fluffernutter>	wtf
May 06 19:10:36 <Jeske_Couriano>	!admin User talk:Fuckyouagain needs whacked for username
May 06 19:10:38 *	Fumika has quit (Quit: bai)
May 06 19:10:49 <Jeske_Couriano>	He's beginning to vandalize.
May 06 19:10:58 <Barras>	already locked
May 06 19:10:59 <Pesky>	Fluffernutter: in straight unarmed combat, human vs. spider, guess who usually wins?
May 06 19:11:05 *	Hedgehog456 admits defeat to Pesky 
May 06 19:11:13 <Jeske_Couriano>	((And if he's blocked, I apologize, but MrFishBot is not in the usual monitoring channel))
May 06 19:11:18 *	Pesky hugs Hedgehog456 
May 06 19:11:27 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Pesky tightly
May 06 19:11:36 <Ironholds>	Pesky: not really
May 06 19:11:40 *	Hedgehog456 activates Code X
May 06 19:11:51 <Pesky>	I bet you would
May 06 19:12:38 <Quentinv57>	Hello. Is there any enwiki sysop here ?
May 06 19:12:55 <geniice>	several
May 06 19:13:08 <Theo10011>	Hey Quentinv57
May 06 19:13:10 <Hedgehog456>	slave['evilslave']['action']['patronise'](#wikipedia.en['admin']):
May 06 19:13:17 <Theo10011>	take your pick.
May 06 19:13:26 <Quentinv57>	hello Theo10011 :)
May 06 19:13:49 <killiondude>	More noise.
May 06 19:14:06 <Ironholds>	Pesky: doubt it
May 06 19:14:09 <Quentinv57>	That's about the website http://uggs-n-rugs.com, which globally hits a spam-blacklist regex
May 06 19:14:15 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky: I usually *win*, but not without psychological scarring
May 06 19:14:46 <Quentinv57>	Somebody has requested it to be whitelisted, for page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uggs-N-Rugs
May 06 19:14:56 <Hedgehog456>	if (freenode['channels']['#wikipedia-en']['users']['Hedgehog456']['mode']['op'] = false) {me.action['murder'](freenode['channels']['#wikipedia-en']['admin'])}
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May 06 19:15:06 <Hedgehog456>	Evil world domination, yay!
May 06 19:16:01 *	Pesky off to feed parent - back soon
May 06 19:16:05 <Quentinv57>	so I would request local sysops to add "uggs-n-rugs\.com" at the end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist
May 06 19:16:25 <Quentinv57>	can anyone handle it, please ?
May 06 19:16:36 <Theo10011>	Killiondude?
May 06 19:17:34 <Jeske_Couriano>	!admin http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Jerrette12346 needs a block - 6+ unique legitimate filter hits and only edits are vandalism
May 06 19:18:27 <OlEnglish>	jeske: why not try rfa?
May 06 19:18:41 <killiondude>	he is an admin
May 06 19:18:42 <foks>	He's been an admin before
May 06 19:18:50 <Hedgehog456>	if (freenode['channels']['#wikipedia-en']['mode'] != irc['mode']("+b *!*@*")) {freenode['channels']['#wikipedia-en']['action']['mode'](irc['mode']("+b *!*@*"))}
May 06 19:18:52 <killiondude>	Theo10011?
May 06 19:18:59 <OlEnglish>	he got desysoped?
May 06 19:19:01 <killiondude>	Hedgehog456: MORE.
May 06 19:19:06 <Theo10011>	Quentinv57 had a request.
May 06 19:19:18 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, can you help me ?
May 06 19:19:23 <Fluffernutter>	Hedgehog456, would you stop that?
May 06 19:19:31 <Hedgehog456>	Okay
May 06 19:19:49 <Hedgehog456>	I was going to finish it off with a punchline, but... ah well
May 06 19:19:59 <killiondude>	oh, let me see
May 06 19:20:18 <killiondude>	what is at uggs n rugs?
May 06 19:20:21 <killiondude>	O_o
May 06 19:20:49 <Hedgehog456>	Blofeld.
May 06 19:20:52 <Theo10011>	Ugg boots.
May 06 19:20:59 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, that's just about inserting an external link on this page, I think
May 06 19:21:06 <Hedgehog456>	It's his latest world domination plan.
May 06 19:21:11 <Jeske_Couriano>	OlEnglish) Yeah, I got deopped.
May 06 19:21:18 <OlEnglish>	oh
May 06 19:21:26 <Theo10011>	they have their own entry on en.wp for contesting ugg trademark.
May 06 19:21:28 <jps>	Cambridge was 54.3% pro-AV sigh
May 06 19:21:28 <Jeske_Couriano>	I'm not an admin, as killiondude thinks.
May 06 19:21:31 <OlEnglish>	Jeske_Couriano: do you think you'd pass if you tried again?
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May 06 19:21:44 <Jeske_Couriano>	OlEnglish) I'm not trying again until PC is buried.
May 06 19:21:51 <OlEnglish>	ah yes
May 06 19:21:54 <Hedgehog456>	I'd pass anyone who came through it these days.
May 06 19:21:58 *	Fluffernutter doubts that anyone who threw away the bits in a hissy fit would pass
May 06 19:22:04 <killiondude>	You're an admin that doesn't want the tools.
May 06 19:22:08 <OlEnglish>	apparantly New York Brad is going to be closing the RFC tonight
May 06 19:22:14 <killiondude>	You can pick them back up at any time you wish!
May 06 19:22:16 <OlEnglish>	the RFC on Pending Changes
May 06 19:22:32 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, Theo10011 : so what bout it ?
May 06 19:22:36 <Quentinv57>	about
May 06 19:22:42 <killiondude>	Quentinv57: You think? Are you asking for someone else? I'm just a little confused.
May 06 19:22:46 <killiondude>	Why would this be blacklisted?
May 06 19:22:55 <Jeske_Couriano>	killiondude) No, I can't.
May 06 19:23:02 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, no, it is blacklisted and I want this to be whitelisted
May 06 19:23:09 <Jeske_Couriano>	The deop specifically precludes that.
May 06 19:23:10 <Fluffernutter>	Jeske_Couriano, did you resign under a cloud?
May 06 19:23:15 *	Jeske_Couriano nods
May 06 19:23:21 <Fluffernutter>	what'd you do?
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May 06 19:23:41 <Jeske_Couriano>	I'd sooner not talk about it.
May 06 19:23:46 <killiondude>	Well, Adam Cuerdan throws hissy fits all the time on Commons. I think he's still an admin there!
May 06 19:24:02 <Fluffernutter>	commons adminship is, from what i hear, a bit...strange
May 06 19:24:08 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, somebody requested unblacklisting on meta but it is a bit complicated, sb's noticed that it would be better to add it on local whitelist
May 06 19:24:18 <OlEnglish>	Fluffernutter: what do you mean?
May 06 19:24:18 <killiondude>	k, just a sec
May 06 19:24:27 <Theo10011>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist#uggs-n-rugs.com
May 06 19:24:43 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, thanks
May 06 19:24:58 <Fluffernutter>	OlEnglish: deoppings for not meeting quotas, etc
May 06 19:25:09 <OlEnglish>	ooh
May 06 19:25:19 <OlEnglish>	sounds.. medieval
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May 06 19:25:39 <Theo10011>	same as Meta.
May 06 19:25:39 <Fluffernutter>	this is all second-hands, so i coud be misinterpreting. but it sounds stressful
May 06 19:25:42 <Fluffernutter>	-s
May 06 19:26:30 <Pesky>	We have a mega-storm blowing in here!  Wheeee!
May 06 19:26:37 <foks>	We don't!
May 06 19:26:42 <foks>	We have the first sun of the day
May 06 19:26:48 <Fluffernutter>	they said we might get a storm here tonight
May 06 19:26:49 <foks>	take THAT weather
May 06 19:26:58 <Pesky>	Clouds have gone as dark as very dark things, wind has just picked up like mad ...
May 06 19:27:01 <OlEnglish>	wikisources has a pretty relaxed community atmosphere
May 06 19:27:03 *	Hedgehog456 defenestrates the channel
May 06 19:27:08 <foks>	Fluffernutter, I have written a chorus in Italian.
May 06 19:27:12 <OlEnglish>	wikinews can be stressful i hear
May 06 19:27:15 <Fluffernutter>	foks, ooh. share?
May 06 19:27:15 <foks>	heard it here first.
May 06 19:27:25 <foks>	sure, but it's BAD ITALIAN
May 06 19:27:30 <OlEnglish>	wiktionary has som over-protective admins
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May 06 19:27:41 <Fluffernutter>	foks: that's ok, my italian sucks anyway
May 06 19:27:43 <OlEnglish>	dunno nothin' bout Wikispecies..
May 06 19:27:53 <Hedgehog456>	foks: Like ~~~ Mafia, mafia, MAFIA, mafia! ~~~?
May 06 19:28:05 *	HSJ is now known as Hazard-SJ
May 06 19:28:05 <foks>	:D
May 06 19:28:09 <foks>	Not quite.
May 06 19:28:15 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 06 19:28:45 <Fluffernutter>	foks is secretly a scottish mafioso
May 06 19:28:52 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, thank you
May 06 19:29:02 <killiondude>	You're welcome.
May 06 19:29:13 <killiondude>	for foks sakes.
May 06 19:29:23 *	Fluffernutter gives killiondude a cookie
May 06 19:29:48 <foks>	Mia cara calma / Ci insegnato a tradirli / Vi dicemmo di non cura. // Mia genere amata / Ce la faremo fuori / E mostrarle ciò che siamo.
May 06 19:29:52 <tommorris>	nice. someone has just accused me of being an admin
May 06 19:29:53 <tommorris>	I get to increase the counter by 1
May 06 19:29:53 <tommorris>	that makes four times
May 06 19:30:05 <killiondude>	did you just post three lines in the same second?
May 06 19:30:16 <Fluffernutter>	he's talented like that
May 06 19:30:20 <foks>	I think he's lagging.
May 06 19:30:22 <Fluffernutter>	one-second man, you know
May 06 19:30:24 <foks>	Or you're lagging.
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May 06 19:30:41 <Hedgehog456>	He did<
May 06 19:30:42 <Hedgehog456>	Of course he did
May 06 19:30:42 <Hedgehog456>	I'm doing it now
May 06 19:31:19 <killiondude>	<QCoder00> I'm sorry but some of your comments have caused me upset
May 06 19:31:25 *	killiondude hugs Qcoder00.
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May 06 19:31:34 <Fluffernutter>	killiondude, what did you say to upset him?
May 06 19:31:38 <Qcoder00>	killiondude?
May 06 19:31:40 <Qcoder00>	Huh?
May 06 19:31:55 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Qcoder00 comfortingly
May 06 19:32:00 <killiondude>	really old quote
May 06 19:32:21 <Hedgehog456>	500 billion years old?
May 06 19:32:40 <Fluffernutter>	unlikely
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May 06 19:36:28 <ZT>	do we *really* need this trivia list [[Works of fiction set in 1976]]?
May 06 19:37:17 <killiondude>	each time you remove a piece of trivia from Wikipedia a baby dies.
May 06 19:37:33 <Jeske_Couriano>	ZT) Start killin' babies.
May 06 19:38:02 *	Fluffernutter looks at killiondude, heads to wikipedia to start removing trivia
May 06 19:38:03 <tommorris>	I'd suggest that someone start Trivipedia, a giant database of trivia so useless it doesn't need to be on WP.
May 06 19:38:13 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: seen Wikia lately?
May 06 19:38:14 <tommorris>	But then... I fear Wikipedia's content contributions would slump even further ;-)
May 06 19:38:30 <tommorris>	Citizendium, Wikinfo, Wikia: we need you!
May 06 19:38:52 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Give us you facts, you hudlled collections of information.... ;)
May 06 19:38:57 <Qcoder00>	*your facts
May 06 19:39:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	what about all the TV shows that were broadcast *in* 1976?
May 06 19:39:16 <Theo10011>	Wikia is getting good with Games wikis.
May 06 19:39:17 <tommorris>	that basically was the premise of Wikinfo, wasn't it?
May 06 19:39:33 <Dragonfly6-7>	I'm sure there were lots of episodes of "All My Children" that were set in 1976
May 06 19:39:35 <Doh5678>	Why just Wikia?
May 06 19:39:37 <tommorris>	or was it so people could be racist?
May 06 19:39:41 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh! Time Travel shows!
May 06 19:39:47 <tommorris>	and put Wikipe-tan on the home page
May 06 19:39:47 <Dragonfly6-7>	how many episodes of Quantum Leap were set in 1976?
May 06 19:40:09 <jps>	in the before version of http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/flooding-before-after_2011-05-04?page=3 why are some of the clouds light blue?
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May 06 19:42:02 <tommorris>	"Voting is a tool, so are voters"
May 06 19:42:59 <tommorris>	It's official: Britain is going to stick with our retarded and broken voting system
May 06 19:43:26 <killiondude>	voters are tolls
May 06 19:43:29 <killiondude>	tools, too
May 06 19:43:35 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: y'all are taking the whole emulating-america thing a bit too far
May 06 19:43:49 <killiondude>	you could be in australia where they fine you if you don't vote!
May 06 19:44:14 <jps>	I'm convinced that the demographic patterns will bring AV back on the UK ballot soon
May 06 19:44:45 <Krimpet>	Voters are like Toll House® cookies.
May 06 19:45:13 <Fluffernutter>	full of chips and nuts?
May 06 19:45:22 <jps>	Australians use AV
May 06 19:45:53 *	FAdmArcher is now known as FAdmArcher|away
May 06 19:45:58 <Doh5678>	My ward vote has just come in
May 06 19:46:37 <Doh5678>	Con, Lab, UKIP, Lib Dem, Eng Dem.
May 06 19:47:00 <Fluffernutter>	what's UKIP?
May 06 19:47:27 <Qcoder00>	UKIP are a load of right wingers that want to make the UK uncompetitive for ideological reasons
May 06 19:47:34 <Doh5678>	UK independence party
May 06 19:47:43 <killiondude>	ukip is like ikip
May 06 19:47:54 <Doh5678>	They beat the Lib Dems though
May 06 19:47:54 <Fluffernutter>	also, for that matter, what's EngDem's platform
May 06 19:47:55 <Qcoder00>	Any admins around?
May 06 19:47:58 <jps>	now Lib Dems will be forced to work within the Labour hegemony if they don't want to spoil their own elections, which does have advantages over being forced into a powerless coalition with austerity types
May 06 19:48:02 <Fluffernutter>	killiondude: that would be terrifying
May 06 19:48:10 <killiondude>	heh.
May 06 19:48:25 <Qcoder00>	Any admins,  AWB users or bot writers around?
May 06 19:48:30 <Fluffernutter>	whatever happened to ikip, anyway?
May 06 19:48:33 <Qcoder00>	I've got a little problem
May 06 19:48:38 <killiondude>	He ragequit, didn't he?
May 06 19:48:38 <Ironholds>	jps: my two candidates' wards just came in
May 06 19:48:53 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Okip
May 06 19:48:59 <Fluffernutter>	killiondude: i remember him scrambling his password, i think, but i don't remember the context
May 06 19:49:07 <Ironholds>	jsp: also, disagree - the lib dems are closer aligned to the tories than labour
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May 06 19:50:28 <jps>	one what issues?
May 06 19:50:33 <jps>	on* what
May 06 19:50:52 <Ironholds>	individual freedoms, the role of the state
May 06 19:50:54 <tommorris>	oh god, they've got Govetwat on TV
May 06 19:51:06 <tommorris>	I really want to punch Michael Gove
May 06 19:51:11 <Ironholds>	in the balls?
May 06 19:51:15 <tommorris>	go on Paddy Ashdown, give him a smack
May 06 19:51:16 <Ironholds>	with a knife?
May 06 19:51:25 <jps>	Labour supports more individual freedoms than Lib Dems?
May 06 19:51:41 <Fluffernutter>	does it count as punching if it involves a knife?
May 06 19:51:44 <Ironholds>	jps: eh?
May 06 19:51:53 <Ironholds>	jps: I said the lib dems and tories had more in common
May 06 19:51:59 <Ironholds>	not that the tories and labour had more in common ;p
May 06 19:52:22 <jps>	Which party do you think supports individual freedoms the most?
May 06 19:52:38 <Ironholds>	of the 3 main ones?
May 06 19:52:41 <jps>	yeah
May 06 19:52:49 <Ironholds>	well, that's difficult - define individual freedoms? Are we talking human rights or civil liberties?
May 06 19:53:13 <jps>	the way you meant it two minutes ago
May 06 19:53:21 <Ironholds>	the lib dems, in the context of positive rights
May 06 19:53:29 <Ironholds>	the tories tend to support negative freedoms to a stronger degree
May 06 19:53:58 <Qcoder00>	Anyone here good with Wikipedia technical stuff, or is this channel ##libdemsaredead at present?
May 06 19:54:15 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: #wikimedia-tech
May 06 19:54:22 <Ironholds>	go there and stop asking silly questions
May 06 19:54:27 *	tommorris now knows how it feels to be a sane American on the day after electing or re-electing George W Bush
May 06 19:54:36 <Qcoder00>	It's a specfically English Wikipedia matter
May 06 19:54:46 <Qcoder00>	And I don't call asking tech questions here silly
May 06 19:55:01 <killiondude>	Your questions are usually silly.
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May 06 19:55:02 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: you don't know how that feels unless you're currently in a screaming fight with two friends, crying, and drinking heavily, all at the same timer
May 06 19:55:13 <killiondude>	same timer!
May 06 19:55:16 <Qcoder00>	killiondude:  Not this time
May 06 19:55:28 *	Fluffernutter harrumphs, typos on killiondude's face
May 06 19:55:31 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: if it's technical, it's -tech
May 06 19:55:31 <Qcoder00>	I am wanting to know if it's possible to get a list of redirects in Image namespace
May 06 19:55:36 <killiondude>	Qcoder00: Don't ask to ask! Just ask your question and a helper will be right along to help you.
May 06 19:55:37 <Qcoder00>	So I can fix them up
May 06 19:55:50 <killiondude>	I think courcelles was working on such a list last night.
May 06 19:55:52 <Qcoder00>	killiondude: I just did
May 06 19:55:54 <Qcoder00>	:)
May 06 19:56:01 *	tommorris reckons we need an International Association for Solidarity Among Sane People.
May 06 19:56:09 *	Fluffernutter has dibs on courcelles next time he comes online. the rest of you can back right off.
May 06 19:56:11 <jps>	I would say the Lib Dems have been best, they want to decriminalize nonviolent crimes, depend on diplomacy instead of war, but the tories and labour have been in a tough-on-crime race to lock people up without charges for various lengths of time
May 06 19:56:11 <Ironholds>	tommorris: over 50 percent of votes have now been declared against, so, yeah
May 06 19:56:28 <Ironholds>	jps: again, it depends what you mean by "human rights"
May 06 19:56:31 <Ironholds>	or rather, "individual freedoms"
May 06 19:56:38 <Ironholds>	if you take a negative approach, the tories are your people
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May 06 19:56:45 <jps>	tommorris: move to Cambridge, that seems to be the best part of England at least as far as the Ph.D.s you send us
May 06 19:56:52 <Ironholds>	and there's no need to be mean - I quite like some tories
May 06 19:57:12 <Qcoder00>	jps: But you have to send people that steal cable to jail , otherwise EVRYBODY would - There has to be a a detterent
May 06 19:57:23 <jps>	what is the negative approach to human rights?
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May 06 19:57:42 <killiondude>	human lefts
May 06 19:58:10 <Ironholds>	jps: the so-called civil liberties approach; that we have the negative system of "whatever is not forbidden is permitted", and reform to increase freedoms should be nothing more than repealing the law which forbids [action
May 06 19:58:12 <Ironholds>	*]
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May 06 19:58:30 <killiondude>	oh my.
May 06 19:58:45 <Dusti>	Is anyone able to get http://www.coolcolorscosmetics.com/administrator to load for them?
May 06 19:59:07 <Ironholds>	the positive approach, on the other hand, is "human rights" - that rights should not simply exist as a legislative void but instead be actively recognised and, indeed, entrenched
May 06 19:59:22 <Ironholds>	Dusti: yup
May 06 19:59:26 <jps>	Do labour and the lib dems permit less of whatever isn't forbidden?
May 06 19:59:28 <Dusti>	:s
May 06 19:59:34 <Dusti>	damn, it must be my ISP then
May 06 19:59:49 <tommorris>	Hmm. Not sure I agree that human rights/civil liberties boils down to actively legislated vs. legislative void
May 06 20:00:07 <Ironholds>	tommorris: the names are rather symbolic, don't you think?
May 06 20:00:14 <Ironholds>	although I'd be interested to hear your perspective
May 06 20:00:32 <tommorris>	I mean, take the US civil liberties tradition: that's encoded by a form of legislation, albeit ultimate legislation - namely the constitution
May 06 20:00:50 <Ironholds>	jps: not at all, on the lib dem front - it's more an approach that simply *not illegallising* say, free speech, isn't enough. You have to actively legislate to protect it
May 06 20:01:18 <tommorris>	but if, say, next week, it were found that some important protection like freedom of religion or whatever were actually not part of the constitution, you can bet legislation would be introduced to encode it
May 06 20:01:43 <Ironholds>	which is a human rights approach
May 06 20:02:13 <tommorris>	but the concept of human rights seems to be about setting up positive liberties as well
May 06 20:02:15 <Ironholds>	tommorris: if you want to define it as a distinction between who gets access to the rights, the US is a poor example to pick
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May 06 20:02:42 <Ironholds>	actually I don't think they'd be able to get freedom of religion in these days
May 06 20:02:48 <jps>	it's the same all over the world:  oligarchs pay politicians to appeal to the conservative xenophobes and religious, and then demand tax cuts.  So what if little things like public higher education have to be jettisoned
May 06 20:02:59 <tommorris>	no, I'm saying that the concept of human rights is different from civil liberties in more ways than just deliberative or formal legal ways
May 06 20:03:10 <Ironholds>	tommorris: okay, define the two?
May 06 20:03:56 <tommorris>	I'd say that roughly civil liberties is negative liberties encoded by specifying areas where the government may not tread
May 06 20:04:07 <jps>	what legislation have the tories passed to protect free speech?
May 06 20:04:23 <Ironholds>	jps: that'd be positive freedoms, not negative ones. they like negative ones.
May 06 20:04:23 <tommorris>	wheras human rights is negative AND positive liberties in the Berlin sense, implemented in whatever way works
May 06 20:04:41 <jps>	are you serious?
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May 06 20:05:08 <Ironholds>	jps: although the draft bill in parliament at the moment, while not a PROTECTION, is a step forward
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May 06 20:05:15 <Ironholds>	tommorris: makes sense. Of course, the actual distinction is mainly of application
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May 06 20:05:59 <tommorris>	so, for instance, the ECHR Protocol 1 Article 2 right to education is something which makes no sense under a classic civil liberties system
May 06 20:06:00 <jps>	are you talking about strengthening the defense in libel cases?
May 06 20:07:00 <Ironholds>	jps: actually it doesn't really strengthen the defence effectively so much as it weakens the claimant
May 06 20:07:02 <Ironholds>	but yes
May 06 20:07:35 <jps>	Sure it does, tommorris, Bentham and the utilitarians would agree that the average person is more free when most people have the benefit of an education.  An uneducated person is measurably less free to engage in trade and commerce, gain employment, etc
May 06 20:07:37 <Ironholds>	the major changes don't add anything significant to the defence's position, but they severely limit the claimants. best way to do it, imo.
May 06 20:07:57 <tommorris>	ooh, have the libel reform changes been published?
May 06 20:08:03 <Ironholds>	tommorris: you didn't see it?
May 06 20:08:08 <tommorris>	nay
May 06 20:08:18 <Ironholds>	I wrote a blog post on it a while back, but to summarise - no more libel tourism, no automatic right to a jury
May 06 20:08:22 <Ironholds>	aaand that's..really about it.
May 06 20:08:26 <tommorris>	booo!
May 06 20:08:28 <tommorris>	that's not enough!
May 06 20:08:30 <Ironholds>	it didn't even reverse the burden of proof
May 06 20:08:32 <Ironholds>	seriously
May 06 20:08:48 *	tommorris adds "write angry letter to MP" to to-do list
May 06 20:08:49 <Ironholds>	oh, also, they changed the name of the honesty defence
May 06 20:08:53 *	FAdmArcher|away is now known as FAdmArcher
May 06 20:08:54 <ZT>	that's a so-called "approved article" of CZ http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Altmeyer what a joke
May 06 20:09:02 *	[DeltaQuad] is now known as DeltaQuad
May 06 20:09:02 <Ironholds>	tommorris: that reminds me to write to Ken Clarke
May 06 20:09:35 <tommorris>	ZT: the problem is nobody quite knows what approval on CZ means
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May 06 20:09:48 <tommorris>	It can mean either
May 06 20:09:54 <tommorris>	1. a bit like featured article status
May 06 20:09:56 <tommorris>	or
May 06 20:10:10 <tommorris>	2. there's nothing factually inaccurate about this article so we are sealing it at this point.
May 06 20:10:46 <tommorris>	the fact that nobody seemed able to grok this distinction is one of the main reasons I'm not very involved in CZ any more ;-)
May 06 20:11:06 <tommorris>	that and the fact that Homeopathy is an approved article
May 06 20:11:30 <Fluffernutter>	hah
May 06 20:11:44 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris, i want to see you tear it down from the inside and rebuild it as something functional
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May 06 20:12:01 <tommorris>	not gonna happen
May 06 20:12:11 <Fluffernutter>	but oh, it would be delicious to watch
May 06 20:12:20 <tommorris>	I've got a few pine cones I'll stick up my rectum before I go anywhere near Citizendim management
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May 06 20:12:36 <Fluffernutter>	hah
May 06 20:12:36 <ZT>	tommorris: Homeopathy can't be worse than http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Doom_(video_game)
May 06 20:12:38 *	Pesky bids all and sundry goodnight and slinks off to den
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May 06 20:13:02 <tommorris>	nah, that's alright
May 06 20:13:22 <tommorris>	it doesn't contain blatant factual inaccuracies introduced by a POV troll who had previously been banned from Wikipedia
May 06 20:13:48 <ZT>	hah
May 06 20:14:38 <Fluffernutter>	do our pseudoscience trolls come over to you guys often?
May 06 20:14:46 <tommorris>	all the fucking time
May 06 20:14:54 <Dragonfly6-7>	hm
May 06 20:14:58 <Dragonfly6-7>	do *we* have an article on Altmeyer?
May 06 20:15:21 <ZT>	yeah, but it has no photos
May 06 20:15:23 <tommorris>	to the point that someone on WP actually suggested at one point of *actively* referring pseudoscience cranks to CZ.
May 06 20:15:54 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 06 20:16:00 <Fluffernutter>	better CZ than us
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May 06 20:16:07 <tommorris>	which, by the way, if you want to destroy CZ, block a bunch of pseudoscience POV pushers and revert warriors, and tell them that CZ wants their contributions
May 06 20:16:14 <killiondude>	chatzilla?
May 06 20:16:18 <tommorris>	Citizendium
May 06 20:16:22 <killiondude>	ah.
May 06 20:16:34 <Fluffernutter>	killiondude, get a-blockin'
May 06 20:17:01 <killiondude>	o;
May 06 20:17:54 <ZT>	so when will CZ get shut down?
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May 06 20:18:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	when they run out of money
May 06 20:18:42 <Fluffernutter>	hm, can we send abd to CZ?
May 06 20:18:50 <Dragonfly6-7>	okay, [[file:Sdf.JPG]] - it's a woman on a bench in Paris. I have no idea why it's called  "SDF". Anyone?
May 06 20:19:31 <Fluffernutter>	[something something] femme, perhaps?
May 06 20:19:47 <tommorris>	running out of money: that'll probably be in September
May 06 20:20:10 <killiondude>	Scouts de France, a Scouting association in France ?
May 06 20:21:59 <topaz>	"sans domicile fixe"?
May 06 20:22:19 <tommorris>	[[WP:PORNBIO]]? (Reading ANI)
May 06 20:22:30 <topaz>	http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans_domicile_fixe
May 06 20:22:47 <topaz>	appears to be a French acronym for "homeless"
May 06 20:22:49 <killiondude>	she doesn't look homeless
May 06 20:22:53 <tommorris>	PORNBIO is snuggled in neatly between ENTERTAINER and POLITICIAN
May 06 20:23:05 <Fluffernutter>	"snuggled"
May 06 20:23:17 *	tommorris has been Huggling
May 06 20:23:22 <tommorris>	the term is infectious
May 06 20:23:50 <Fluffernutter>	you've been huggling and playing with PORNBIO, have you? perhaps it's time to see your doctor for some testing...
May 06 20:23:53 <ZT>	tommorris: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Donate
May 06 20:23:55 <Dragonfly6-7>	topaz - ah, very good
May 06 20:23:57 <topaz>	killiondude: the uploader supplied the file with the comment "sdf paris". when I google that term, I get a *lot* of pages about being homeless in Paris.
May 06 20:24:11 <killiondude>	Sure. But the person in the picture doesn't look homeless.
May 06 20:24:17 <topaz>	I'm not saying that the person in the photo is homeless, I'm saying I think that's what the person who uploaded it intended.
May 06 20:24:19 <killiondude>	They very well could be.
May 06 20:24:32 <tommorris>	ZT: ah, November
May 06 20:24:34 <tommorris>	that's good to know
May 06 20:24:37 <killiondude>	topaz: I'm not disagreeing with you!
May 06 20:24:48 <tommorris>	I can start backing it up again in October
May 06 20:24:52 <topaz>	:-)
May 06 20:25:31 <Fluffernutter>	does CZ have any content that we would actually want to absorb? and is it under a compatible license?
May 06 20:25:53 <tommorris>	not sure. yes.
May 06 20:26:17 <tommorris>	the stuff which is sourced from Wikipedia is GFDL while the home-grown stuff is CC BY-SA 3.0
May 06 20:26:31 <killiondude>	speaking of sans domicile, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRVeyvg2808
May 06 20:28:03 <Dragonfly6-7>	Fluffernutter-  well, their article on Altmeyer has some photos with sources that are good to pillage
May 06 20:28:49 <killiondude>	I think that's a Canadian production, if memory serves.
May 06 20:28:51 <ZT>	we can do better than that
May 06 20:29:18 <Dragonfly6-7>	ZT - sorry, you mean 'we can write better articles than Citizendium' , or...?
May 06 20:29:33 <tommorris>	Citizendium style is very different than WP.
May 06 20:29:48 <tommorris>	WP aims at being concise and sparse, while CZ tolerates wordiness more.
May 06 20:30:24 <ZT>	tommorris: yeah, but content(encyclopedic) value will always remain the same
May 06 20:30:45 <tommorris>	although as my main contribution to CZ is writing hundreds of very short stubs, it makes fuck all difference to me
May 06 20:31:13 <Fluffernutter>	yes, but hundreds!
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May 06 20:32:05 <tommorris>	Fluffernutter: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Tom_Morris/Archive_Page_List
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May 06 20:32:41 *	Fluffernutter has now created...i think four or five articles, if i count the one i rewrote last night
May 06 20:32:49 <Fluffernutter>	your wikidick, it is larger than mine :P
May 06 20:33:05 <Ironholds>	600
May 06 20:33:06 <Ironholds>	pwnd
May 06 20:33:22 <Tatsujin>	Wallstreet journal launches wikileaks comeptitor, "soo much better dudes!": "we reserve the right to disclose any information about you to law enforcement authorities or to a requesting third party, without notice,"
May 06 20:33:41 <ZT>	tommorris: how do they verify their users' rl identity?
May 06 20:33:47 <Ironholds>	getting the toolserver to query "how many articles has Ironholds written" is great fun
May 06 20:33:50 <Ironholds>	it breaks.
May 06 20:33:59 <tommorris>	ZT: you list social networking profiles and a human looks at them, usually within 24h
May 06 20:34:15 <tommorris>	ZT: when I signed up, I pointed to my blog and Flickr account
May 06 20:35:24 <tommorris>	they also used to be tied into a site called BeVerified, where you paid a small amount on a credit card to verify your identity (but they gave it free for Citizendium users or something)
May 06 20:35:35 <Fluffernutter>	that seems skanky
May 06 20:35:43 <tommorris>	nay, it was all legit
May 06 20:36:02 <tommorris>	you could use one of those adult verification sites ;-)
May 06 20:36:08 <Guerillero>	lol
May 06 20:36:59 <ZT>	tommorris: so it's *too* easy to circumvent their flickr/fb verification system
May 06 20:37:06 <Ironholds>	tommorris: there's an infamous band of preserve thieves in my town
May 06 20:37:09 <tommorris>	also, to be a sysop, you've gotta have a degree and be over 25
May 06 20:37:15 <Fluffernutter>	yeah you could totally game the social network method
May 06 20:37:30 <tommorris>	basically, I think the method was like:
May 06 20:37:45 <tommorris>	1. sign up with a real-world e-mail address (rather than a free one) from an employer or university etc
May 06 20:37:59 <tommorris>	or 2. point to a bunch of sites that establish your RL identity
May 06 20:38:00 <tommorris>	it was flexible
May 06 20:38:17 <tommorris>	basically there's just a big text field where you specify who you are with links or whatever
May 06 20:38:21 <geniice>	yeah I could kinda have problems with both
May 06 20:38:42 *	Fluffernutter wonders if i'm unusual in not really having a "real-world" email, other than the one tied to my job which will disappear when i move on
May 06 20:38:53 *	tommorris has an academic e-mail address
May 06 20:39:08 *	Hedgehog456 has GMail
May 06 20:39:11 <Hedgehog456>	:(
May 06 20:39:14 <Fluffernutter>	none of my schools let me keep an email address. or if they did, they hid it from me well
May 06 20:39:18 <Guerillero>	i have 5 emails
May 06 20:39:27 <Ironholds>	tommorris, you failed to pay attention to my setup line
May 06 20:39:29 <Hedgehog456>	I have 75.
May 06 20:39:30 *	Ironholds looks severe
May 06 20:39:38 <Fluffernutter>	i have like 6 gmails, plus a microsoft live and a yahoo
May 06 20:39:43 <Hedgehog456>	Beat that.
May 06 20:39:44 <Fluffernutter>	it's a bit unwieldy
May 06 20:39:55 <tommorris>	Ironholds: sorry for ruining your gag
May 06 20:40:00 <tommorris>	anyway, you going to pub on Sunday
May 06 20:40:10 <Ironholds>	tommorris: it's this sunday?
May 06 20:40:13 <tommorris>	think so
May 06 20:40:14 <Ironholds>	eh, may as well travel down if I can be arsed. sure.
May 06 20:40:21 <geniice>	there was a time when everyone and their dog ran their own email server. not these days
May 06 20:40:39 <Guerillero>	Hedgehog456: that many emains points to a troll
May 06 20:40:47 *	Dragonfly6-7 remembers reading the blog of the guy who owned DoNotReply.com
May 06 20:40:49 <tommorris>	those were the days when it was a serious pain in the ass to e-mail anyone because their mum had turned their server off to plug the iron in
May 06 20:40:55 <Ironholds>	thinking about it, naw, I won't bother
May 06 20:41:04 <Hedgehog456>	Guerillero: Nah, I just keep forgetting the passwords :P
May 06 20:41:05 <Fluffernutter>	lol tommorris
May 06 20:41:18 <Fluffernutter>	Hedgehog456: lastpass?
May 06 20:41:27 <Hedgehog456>	WTF is that?
May 06 20:41:38 <Fluffernutter>	password-management
May 06 20:41:41 <Fluffernutter>	in the cloud
May 06 20:41:47 <Hedgehog456>	Bleh
May 06 20:41:50 <Hedgehog456>	I've never needed it
May 06 20:41:58 <Fluffernutter>	remember one master password for it, it remembers all the rest for you
May 06 20:42:08 <tommorris>	Ironholds: James_F is attending, and WereSpiels isn't. ;-)
May 06 20:42:44 <Hedgehog456>	Fluffernutter: I'm honestly offended by this stuff!
May 06 20:42:51 <Fluffernutter>	Hedgehog456, huh?
May 06 20:42:53 <Hedgehog456>	:
May 06 20:42:55 <Hedgehog456>	:D
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May 06 20:43:28 <Hedgehog456>	*mutter* thinks it can insult me... damn master passwords... since when has the cloud helped me?..*mutter*
May 06 20:43:38 <Ironholds>	tommorris: yeah, I'm trying to avoid James at the moment, thanks.
May 06 20:43:41 <Fluffernutter>	um, right
May 06 20:43:55 <Ironholds>	that's why I'm not going ;p
May 06 20:44:25 <tommorris>	why's that?
May 06 20:44:32 <tommorris>	actually, I probably don't want to know, right?
May 06 20:44:51 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I respect him, which means when he insults me, it damn hurts
May 06 20:45:10 <Ironholds>	and my many *many* headshrink-worthy issues ensure I need no help in the "wanting to top myself" department
May 06 20:45:14 *	FAdmArcher is now known as FAdmArcher|away
May 06 20:45:36 *	DeltaQuad is now known as [DQ|work]
May 06 20:45:37 *	MuZemike (~MuZemike@wikimedia/MuZemike) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 20:45:50 *	Dragonfly6-7 cues up "Wounded" by Dan Warren
May 06 20:46:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	"nothing I did / nothing I failed to do / you were broken / when I got to you / you're / wounded / permanently"
May 06 20:46:19 <Theo10011>	Aww did James hurt your itto-wittle feelings?
May 06 20:46:29 <Hedgehog456>	Damn you channel guidelines
May 06 20:46:34 <Fluffernutter>	shut up, Theo10011
May 06 20:46:43 <Hedgehog456>	I was going to bring a singing bot in here :(
May 06 20:46:48 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: if I ever meet you, I'm going to break your nose
May 06 20:46:55 <Theo10011>	ouch.
May 06 20:47:02 <Ironholds>	that's not what you'll say at the time
May 06 20:47:08 <Hedgehog456>	He's serious.
May 06 20:47:09 <Theo10011>	heh
May 06 20:47:10 <Ironholds>	it'll be more a muffled "ewwch2
May 06 20:47:13 <Hedgehog456>	Trust me,
May 06 20:47:18 <Ironholds>	*"
May 06 20:47:25 <MuZemike>	We had a singing AFD in 2009's April Fools Day
May 06 20:47:26 <Theo10011>	ok ok.
May 06 20:47:39 <Hedgehog456>	Or "AAAAARRGGHHHHDAMMNNNNNHHHEEEELLLLPPPPPP"
May 06 20:47:53 <tommorris>	MuZemike: Link?
May 06 20:47:53 <ZT>	MuZemike: a "singing AFD"?
May 06 20:48:06 <Hedgehog456>	MuZemike: Link or ChanServ gets it.
May 06 20:48:10 <tommorris>	It'd be like Glee.
May 06 20:48:14 *	Hedgehog456 holds a knife to ChanServ
May 06 20:48:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	speaking of which, who wants to AfD that page about Fiction Set In 1976?
May 06 20:48:18 <Fluffernutter>	hah
May 06 20:48:23 <MuZemike>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Oscar_Mayer
May 06 20:48:25 *	Fluffernutter pictures a wikipedia-centered Glee episode
May 06 20:48:33 *	Hedgehog456 releases ChanServ
May 06 20:48:52 <tommorris>	"I just want to say... [bursts into song] Redirect and Merge!"
May 06 20:49:03 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh!
May 06 20:49:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	I just rememberd!
May 06 20:49:07 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I am the very model of a modern wikipedian
May 06 20:49:08 *	KimiNewt (~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-178-95.red.bezeqint.net) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 20:49:51 <Dragonfly6-7>	when I was on OTRS, this band sent us a link to their Wikipedia song, and I saved the mp3
May 06 20:50:04 <Dragonfly6-7>	who wants me to put it up for downloads?
May 06 20:50:08 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: Mop! Glorious mop! I love you 'cause you can block guys!
May 06 20:50:13 <Theo10011>	there's been a couple of "Wikipedia" songs.
May 06 20:50:34 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's by a band called "One Horse Shy"
May 06 20:50:41 <Hedgehog456>	Dragonfly6-7: Yes or ChanServ gets it.
May 06 20:50:49 *	Hedgehog456 holds ChanServ hostage again
May 06 20:50:58 <tommorris>	"Give him the mop! We will not give him the mop! Give him the mop! We will not give him the mop! Give me the mop! We will not give you the mop! Ah, No, no, no, no, no, no, no."
May 06 20:51:06 <tommorris>	-- RfA to the tune of Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody
May 06 20:51:07 *	Hedgehog456 forcefeeds chocolate to ChanServ
May 06 20:51:08 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds, i discovered recently that one of my current favorite songs features Regina Spektor and i didn't realize it
May 06 20:51:20 <Theo10011>	Step away from ChanServ very slowly.
May 06 20:51:38 *	Hedgehog456 pours molten chocolate into ChanServ
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May 06 20:51:52 <Theo10011>	noo
May 06 20:51:54 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: have a banana
May 06 20:51:57 *	Hedgehog456 tells the drunken ChanServ to AKICK all operators
May 06 20:52:48 *	Hedgehog456 commands OperServ to K-line alis or ChanServ gets it
May 06 20:53:06 *	MuZemike would say something about having a few beers, but he can't drink for a bit
May 06 20:53:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	"there is a force in the universe / an omnipotent source of endless worth / it is totally exciting and you'll never get bored / it is Wikipedia dot org"
May 06 20:54:19 <Theo10011>	Lies!
May 06 20:54:37 <ZT>	that's so corny
May 06 20:55:13 <MuZemike>	The Internet?
May 06 20:55:36 *	Laura|Sleeps is now known as LauraHale
May 06 20:55:57 <geniice>	zee wikipedis song featuring a Ukulele http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFxWhzJWJ4U
May 06 20:56:00 <tommorris>	I hereby pronounce that "Another One Bites The Dust" is the new official theme for [[WP:AFD]]
May 06 20:56:31 <MuZemike>	That was more appropriate for Bin Laden's death
May 06 20:56:53 <Narodnik>	http://linkypedia.inkdroid.org/
May 06 20:57:13 <ZT>	how about "Thunderstruck"?
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May 06 20:57:22 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: does each department need its own theme song?
May 06 20:57:22 <Theo10011>	"Still alive" by GlaDOS
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May 06 20:57:42 <tommorris>	Still Alive is the theme for the ARS
May 06 20:57:52 <MuZemike>	It's "Articles for *deletion*", not "Articles for *keeping*"
May 06 20:58:55 <tommorris>	Creep by Radiohead is Wikipe-tan's theme tune
May 06 20:59:12 <geniice>	There's a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
May 06 20:59:14 <geniice>	'Cause you know sometimes free has two meanings.
May 06 20:59:36 <MuZemike>	The Smithsonian just released the list of video games that will be displayed there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Video_Games
May 06 20:59:38 <geniice>	which is why Stairway To Heaven fits for IFD
May 06 20:59:40 <Theo10011>	Stairway !?
May 06 20:59:46 *	Doc_glasgow (~chatzilla@wikimedia/Doc-glasgow) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 20:59:48 <MuZemike>	No Stairway! Denied!
May 06 21:00:28 <tommorris>	the Molly Lewis song is pretty funny: all this because someone didn't leave her a nice Welcome template with a plate of cookies. Welcoming Committee, get on it!
May 06 21:00:36 <MuZemike>	C'mon folks, give me some acknowledgement you heard that quote before.
May 06 21:01:01 *	Doh5678 (5ec0b7d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.192.183.217) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 21:01:03 <Theo10011>	I'm still listening to Molly.
May 06 21:01:12 <MuZemike>	Wayne's World, people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD1KqbDdmuE
May 06 21:01:15 <Fluffernutter>	MuZemike: dunno where it's from, but it made me think of the scene in Wayne's-yeah
May 06 21:01:17 <geniice>	In a tree by the brook, there's a penguin who sings,
May 06 21:01:18 <Fluffernutter>	go me
May 06 21:01:19 <geniice>	Sometimes all of our edits are deleted.
May 06 21:01:55 <MuZemike>	Always cracks me up that the store manager knows the first two notes to Stairway.
May 06 21:02:13 <geniice>	so can we invite Molly Lewis to wikimania ?
May 06 21:02:23 <tommorris>	that sounds like a great idea
May 06 21:02:28 <Theo10011>	heh
May 06 21:02:30 <tommorris>	is Wikimania being streamed this year?
May 06 21:02:35 <Fluffernutter>	you can inivite whoever you want, as long as they pay their own way and registration, i'd imagine
May 06 21:02:38 <MuZemike>	If that game show Name That Tune was still around, he'd win easily.
May 06 21:02:44 <Theo10011>	don't know if she would be up for traveling to Israel.
May 06 21:02:46 <tommorris>	because if it isn't, Cee-Lo's Fuck You starts playing
May 06 21:02:59 <MuZemike>	Store Manager: "I can name that tune in 2 notes!"
May 06 21:03:49 <Theo10011>	So who's going to Wikimania this year?
May 06 21:03:51 <geniice>	Fluffernutter you appear to have created a bunch of lists of moths in north america http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/index.php?name=Fluffernutter&namespace=0&redirects=noredirects
May 06 21:03:58 <MuZemike>	Where is it again?
May 06 21:04:03 <Fluffernutter>	geniice, those were splits of a massively long article
May 06 21:04:08 <Theo10011>	Haifa
May 06 21:04:16 <MuZemike>	Probably not
May 06 21:04:18 *	Doh5678 wonders how far the apprentice candidates have to walk to actually get to the place where they need to go
May 06 21:04:27 <Theo10011>	Anyone else!?
May 06 21:04:28 <tommorris>	oh, is Apprentice UK starting?
May 06 21:04:30 <Fluffernutter>	same with the other set of like five or six near-identical articles that show up for me
May 06 21:05:17 <Doh5678>	Tuesday
May 06 21:05:28 <geniice>	Fluffernutter otherwise just 4 articles
May 06 21:05:35 <geniice>	so za you were correct
May 06 21:05:41 <tommorris>	Seriously. Do they not teach the point of analogies in schools these days?
May 06 21:05:59 <tommorris>	"You aren't seriously saying those things are the same"
May 06 21:06:28 <tommorris>	No, I'm using an ANALOGY. You know, to illustrate that since there are things with property X and Y but NOT Z, that your contention that all X's are Z's is false.
May 06 21:06:37 <tommorris>	fuck you Internet. go take a logic class.
May 06 21:07:14 <MuZemike>	Yeah, take that, you stupid Internet!
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May 06 21:08:48 <tommorris>	also, when did Glee become something they cover on CNN?
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May 06 21:09:00 <MuZemike>	Oh, joy, an email from UPS (which I don't have an account for)!
May 06 21:09:10 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: why is CNN talking about Glee? Don't tell me it's the homosexual agenda again
May 06 21:09:19 <MuZemike>	"Dear customer. The parcel was  sent your home address! And it will arrive within 5 business day. More  information  and  the  traching number  are attached   in document below!"
May 06 21:09:27 <topaz>	homosexual agenda? *perk*
May 06 21:09:31 <tommorris>	I was leaked a copy of the homosexual agenda:
May 06 21:09:37 <tommorris>	9:00 Being nice to people
May 06 21:09:40 <tommorris>	10:00 Love
May 06 21:09:47 <tommorris>	11:00 Happiness
May 06 21:09:54 <tommorris>	12:00 Companionship
May 06 21:09:55 <Fluffernutter>	topaz: Fox news recently did a segment talking about how Kurt being gay and accepted is just recruitment propaganda for teh ghey
May 06 21:10:10 <topaz>	Kurt?  oh, Glee, right.
May 06 21:10:25 <Ironholds>	tommorris: 13:00 Evian
May 06 21:10:26 <geniice>	Fluffernutter if that was the case they would make batman gay
May 06 21:10:37 <tommorris>	yes, because the kids watching Glee are COMPLETELY HETEROSEXUAL.
May 06 21:10:43 <Fluffernutter>	geniice batman is totally gay
May 06 21:10:51 <Theo10011>	lol
May 06 21:11:02 <Ironholds>	tommorris: some are
May 06 21:11:02 <Theo10011>	Adam west series was.
May 06 21:11:04 <Ironholds>	they're called girls
May 06 21:11:06 <geniice>	catwoman would beg to differ
May 06 21:11:18 *	Peter-C licks Ironholds
May 06 21:11:25 *	Tanvir is now known as bare|sleep
May 06 21:12:06 <geniice>	at the bottem of the barrel of wikipedia songs
May 06 21:12:08 <geniice>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Vv409r_2E
May 06 21:12:24 <tommorris>	Ironholds: that's fine, under Fox News logic, if they go lesbian, that's fine so long as they do videos for straight guys.
May 06 21:12:34 <tommorris>	it's only a problem if they join the roving lesbian biker gangs
May 06 21:12:41 *	Fluffernutter glares at tommorris
May 06 21:12:53 <Fluffernutter>	careful or my roving lesbian biker gang is going to show up at your door
May 06 21:13:00 <topaz>	wave your cane some more, baby.
May 06 21:13:11 <Qcoder00>	Lesbians on motorcycles?
May 06 21:13:14 *	Fluffernutter shakes her cane at topaz obligingly
May 06 21:13:17 <MuZemike>	Oops, http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/epic-fail-photos-frying-pan-fail.gif
May 06 21:13:27 <Theo10011>	geniice: that's just two drunk girls trying to rhyme.
May 06 21:13:39 <Qcoder00>	I thought lesbians rode pedal cycles and dunagrees ? XD
May 06 21:13:49 <tommorris>	the lesbian gangs thing explained: http://articles.sfgate.com/2007-07-12/news/17251322_1_lesbian-seven-lesbian-gangs-bill-o-reilly
May 06 21:13:49 <Qcoder00>	(Sorry old Britsh sterotype.... :( )
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May 06 21:15:20 <geniice>	I have to wounder how many guys would be prepared to admit being attacked by a lesbian gang
May 06 21:15:33 <Qcoder00>	Depends on how deviant they were?
May 06 21:15:34 <Theo10011>	lol I so would.
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May 06 21:17:24 <Dragonfly6-7>	and if they cut you
May 06 21:17:30 <Dragonfly6-7>	or used lit cigarettes on you
May 06 21:17:33 <Qcoder00>	I mean how many blokes would admit things got out of hand when the let thier partner tie them up?
May 06 21:17:33 <Dragonfly6-7>	or stole your wallet
May 06 21:17:43 <Qcoder00>	*they
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May 06 21:19:17 <KimiNewt>	cutting people, cigarettes and tying up partners
May 06 21:19:21 <KimiNewt>	what ever have I walked into
May 06 21:19:38 <Theo10011>	you missed lesbian biker gangs.
May 06 21:19:55 <topaz>	we all miss lesbian biker gangs.
May 06 21:20:11 <KimiNewt>	I've never met a lesbian biker gang
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May 06 21:21:01 <tommorris>	the Professor of New Testament studies at my university is a lesbian with a moustache who wears a lot of leather and lives in a caravan.
May 06 21:21:09 <Gfoley4>	:O
May 06 21:21:17 <tommorris>	despite all this, the Catholic Church still tolerate her teaching their trainees
May 06 21:21:24 <KimiNewt>	she also owns a penguin
May 06 21:21:29 <KimiNewt>	and is an aztec
May 06 21:21:37 <Ironholds>	tommorris: well, doesn't like cock. that's better than most of their bloody priests
May 06 21:21:48 <topaz>	yeah, what he said.
May 06 21:21:54 <KimiNewt>	and their non-bloody priests, too
May 06 21:22:09 <topaz>	maybe the local parish is coming to admit that she's an improvement over the status quo.
May 06 21:22:15 <Ironholds>	when I am Lord Protector of Earth there shall be no non-bloody priests
May 06 21:22:24 <KimiNewt>	I love the status quo
May 06 21:22:28 <Ironholds>	my timetable consists of the following
May 06 21:22:31 <Ironholds>	day 1: party
May 06 21:22:33 <KimiNewt>	Your title sounds stupid andI hate you
May 06 21:22:37 <Ironholds>	day 2: donate half the treasury to the WMF
May 06 21:22:42 <Ironholds>	day 3: keep the other half
May 06 21:22:45 <Ironholds>	day 4: resign
May 06 21:22:54 <KimiNewt>	are those weekly events
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May 06 21:23:01 <KimiNewt>	earth is probably in major debts
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May 06 21:23:32 <tommorris>	hold on, if I was supreme ruler of the universe, I'd at the very least persecute some religious minorities.
May 06 21:23:37 <Theo10011>	Ironholds: WMF or WMFUK?
May 06 21:23:44 <tommorris>	WMF
May 06 21:23:50 <tommorris>	I can read Ironholds mind on that one
May 06 21:23:51 <Hedgehog456>	http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/cell_phone_in_microwave.gif Eww
May 06 21:24:45 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: the WMF is not the blind leading the blind
May 06 21:24:49 <tommorris>	I'd pass a law making it murder for Jehovah's Witnesses to deny their kids blood transfusions and to be officially declared by the state to be Quite Stupid for doing so in the past.
May 06 21:24:50 <Ironholds>	it dreams of being that good
May 06 21:25:01 <Ironholds>	it is the deaf mutes leading the failed MBA students
May 06 21:25:11 <topaz>	yow.
May 06 21:25:18 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I also want to have all mime artists subject to ironic punishment
May 06 21:25:22 <Ironholds>	specifically, being drenched in acid
May 06 21:25:38 <tommorris>	You've got to lock them up in a real glass box before drenching them in acid
May 06 21:25:54 <Theo10011>	I'm still lol-ing over the WMF description.
May 06 21:26:02 <Ironholds>	tommorris: no, just the acid
May 06 21:26:09 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: sorry, WMUK
May 06 21:26:09 <tommorris>	no, that's a description of WMUK I think
May 06 21:26:12 <Ironholds>	the WMF is pretty good
May 06 21:26:15 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  You'd pass a law that made it a crime to deny your kids medical treatment ?
May 06 21:26:19 <Ironholds>	I mean, I have some issues with it
May 06 21:26:20 <Theo10011>	lol
May 06 21:26:22 <Theo10011>	even better
May 06 21:26:31 <Ironholds>	for example, why are all the attractive female employees not sleeping with me?
May 06 21:26:34 <Theo10011>	I'm all for persecuting mimes.
May 06 21:26:34 <Ironholds>	but other than that,e h
May 06 21:26:39 <tommorris>	Qcoder00: no, I'd make it a crime to deny kids medial treatment for fucking stupid reasons
May 06 21:26:49 <tommorris>	like "God doesn't want you to have a blood transfusion" - that's a stupid reason
May 06 21:27:16 <Hedgehog456>	or "I want you to /die/ and meet God in Heaven"
May 06 21:27:26 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: says the bible-thumper
May 06 21:27:41 <Qcoder00>	But don't people have a right to hold  faith based viewpoints?
May 06 21:27:48 <Hedgehog456>	^
May 06 21:27:53 <tommorris>	yes, but they don't have the right to kill their kids as a result of their idiotic ideas
May 06 21:27:58 <Qcoder00>	>> ##politics exists ...
May 06 21:27:59 *	Hedgehog456 bashes Ironholds with a Bible
May 06 21:28:11 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: yes, they do, but they don't have the right to make rational judgments for the health of other people based on them
May 06 21:28:12 <Hedgehog456>	##politics doesn't exist.
May 06 21:28:17 <Hedgehog456>	It's all a lie.
May 06 21:28:20 <tommorris>	Qcoder00: AIDS exists also, but I don't want it.
May 06 21:28:28 <Ironholds>	tommorris: they're about the same
May 06 21:28:44 <Ironholds>	##politics and AIDS are both horrific diseases which curtail your sex life and inevitably lead to death
May 06 21:29:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1263097742_ba7588e9fd.jpg
May 06 21:29:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	what is this ?
May 06 21:29:11 <Dragonfly6-7>	without looking
May 06 21:29:32 <Hedgehog456>	A decapitated Medieval crusader
May 06 21:29:34 <Qcoder00>	Is it Work-Safe?
May 06 21:29:36 <Hedgehog456>	A Hedgehog
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May 06 21:29:43 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's worksafe, yes
May 06 21:29:44 <KimiNewt>	a picture of barium
May 06 21:30:09 <KimiNewt>	in a very long catalogue of barium pictures
May 06 21:30:11 <Hedgehog456>	Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
May 06 21:30:13 <Qcoder00>	BTW I am suprised no-ones asked if WikiLeaks has the OBL  killing gloat pictures yet
May 06 21:30:14 <Ironholds>	jesus
May 06 21:30:26 <KimiNewt>	indexed in hexadecimal base
May 06 21:30:45 <Ironholds>	the headless corpse of richard nixon dressed in a french maid's uniform being daisy-chained by every surviving US presidential candidate.
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May 06 21:31:14 <Ironholds>	well, that killed things
May 06 21:31:20 <Ironholds>	my work here is done
May 06 21:31:20 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: You make me feel like I've died and gone to heaven.
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May 06 21:31:33 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: if heaven exists, I'm thankfully not going to it
May 06 21:31:37 <Ironholds>	so that's a big difference
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May 06 21:31:46 <Dragonfly6-7>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Crocodile-related_warning_signs
May 06 21:31:53 <Dragonfly6-7>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:III_Meeting_of_Fans_of_the_TV_series_%27M_jak_mi%C5%82o%C5%9B%C4%87%27_in_Gdynia_2009
May 06 21:32:30 <topaz>	WTF.
May 06 21:32:37 <Dragonfly6-7>	137 photos
May 06 21:32:53 <topaz>	just add that 1263097742_ba7588e9fd.jpg to that category.
May 06 21:32:55 <topaz>	no one will ever notice.
May 06 21:32:59 <killiondude>	Don't you dare try to say those are outside their project's scope.
May 06 21:33:07 <tommorris>	Crocodile-related warning sings < Bear-related warning signs
May 06 21:33:08 <killiondude>	they are pictures and are freely licensed!
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May 06 21:33:52 <Hedgehog456>	Without looking
May 06 21:33:58 <Hedgehog456>	Guess what this is
May 06 21:33:58 <Ironholds>	killiondude: I have some of those of your mother
May 06 21:33:59 <Hedgehog456>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ENC_8-0899.jpg
May 06 21:34:10 <tommorris>	you've all seen the best album cover ever designed, right? http://mlkshk.com/r/Q79
May 06 21:34:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	Hedgehog456 - a kitchen appliance
May 06 21:34:19 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: page899 of volume 8 of encarta?
May 06 21:34:31 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: Yes
May 06 21:34:34 <Ironholds>	or "an encyclopedia"?
May 06 21:34:40 <Ironholds>	the name kinda gave it away
May 06 21:35:07 <Hedgehog456>	What about this?
May 06 21:35:08 <Hedgehog456>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:12345.jpg
May 06 21:35:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	the numbers 12345?
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May 06 21:35:41 <Theo10011_>	wtf is that?
May 06 21:36:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's an actor
May 06 21:36:07 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ekimov
May 06 21:36:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	his name is Ekimov
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May 06 21:36:15 <Hedgehog456>	You looked ;(
May 06 21:36:28 *	Theo10011_ is now known as Theo10011
May 06 21:36:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	source - Family Album
May 06 21:36:45 <Hedgehog456>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5688.JPG
May 06 21:37:36 <Guerillero>	I wish I knew where to move them to
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May 06 21:38:45 <Dragonfly6-7>	Guerillero - for a while I was moving such files to better names, and then MGA73 decided he didn't like my pagemoves so he removed that userright
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May 06 21:38:58 <Theo10011>	Hey StevenW
May 06 21:39:08 <Ironholds>	hey StevenW
May 06 21:39:23 <StevenW>	Hey dudes
May 06 21:39:23 <Ironholds>	I am replying to your email tomorrow morning - I've had 3 exams or presentations in 2 days. Bit knackered ;p
May 06 21:39:30 <StevenW>	No worries.
May 06 21:39:31 <StevenW>	:)
May 06 21:39:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	without looking, what do you think  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:10000.png   is?
May 06 21:39:53 <topaz>	a crocodile-related warning sign!
May 06 21:39:54 <Ironholds>	the number 10,000?
May 06 21:40:02 <Ironholds>	10,000 pngs, whatever they are?
May 06 21:40:06 <tommorris>	Look, we get it, stick a {{rename media}} template on it and be done with it
May 06 21:40:14 <Dragonfly6-7>	it is in fact the number 10,000
May 06 21:40:17 <topaz>	a meeting of 10,000 fans of the TV series M jak micobd in Gdynia!
May 06 21:40:21 <StevenW>	what do you want it renamed to?
May 06 21:40:38 <Theo10011>	Category: random numbers that have nothing to do with the content.
May 06 21:41:22 <Theo10011>	StevenW its in a series of pics which have no relation to the file name.
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May 06 21:41:50 <geniice>	this promises to be interesting http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13317076
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May 06 21:42:12 <nonawno>	hai
May 06 21:42:20 <topaz>	very weird: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:10000.png shows the {{rename}} request, but http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Golden_number_10000.png does not.
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May 06 21:43:25 <topaz>	although now that I'm logged in neither page shows me the {{rename}}. whatever.  I'm so done with Commons flakiness.
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May 06 21:45:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[Solar_still#Steps]] - sigh
May 06 21:45:40 <Dragonfly6-7>	topaz - that's because I renamed 10000.png to Golden Number 10000.png
May 06 21:45:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	and MGA73 got pissed off at me for it, and removed my filemover rights
May 06 21:45:53 <KimiNewt>	you BASTARD
May 06 21:46:05 <Gayinthebutt>	you BASTARD
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May 06 21:47:12 <killiondude>	Gayinthebutt: who might you be?
May 06 21:47:22 <topaz>	Dragonfly6-7: what I find interesting is that Commons was showing me two different versions of the page depending on whether I looked at the canonical filename or the redirect.
May 06 21:47:28 <Gayinthebutt>	a BASTARD
May 06 21:47:35 <Gayinthebutt>	just a lurker really
May 06 21:47:38 <Gayinthebutt>	leave me be
May 06 21:47:47 *	Gayinthebutt claws
May 06 21:47:58 <KimiNewt>	offensive name
May 06 21:48:01 <petan>	Gayinthebutt: please be civil in here
May 06 21:48:13 <petan>	change of nick would do...
May 06 21:48:13 <KimiNewt>	so people are assuming you're a troll
May 06 21:48:30 <Gayinthebutt>	sorry but the other channel i am in-f
May 06 21:48:33 <Gayinthebutt>	eh
May 06 21:48:35 <Gayinthebutt>	fine
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May 06 21:48:45 <KimiNewt>	well
May 06 21:48:47 <KimiNewt>	that was civil.
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May 06 21:53:47 <KimiNewt>	man
May 06 21:53:53 <Fluffernutter>	woman
May 06 21:53:54 <KimiNewt>	languages that use different bases for counting
May 06 21:53:56 <KimiNewt>	such a weird concept
May 06 21:53:59 <KimiNewt>	yet cool
May 06 21:54:12 <killiondude>	alyxuk? is that you?
May 06 21:54:27 <alyxuk>	is what me
May 06 21:54:57 <geniice>	KimiNewt yeah these non hexadecimal bases systems are so wierd
May 06 21:55:08 <KimiNewt>	right
May 06 21:55:26 <KimiNewt>	apparently babylonians used base 60
May 06 21:55:49 <geniice>	so did the eygptians I think
May 06 21:55:55 <geniice>	There are only 10 types of people in the world those who understand ternary, those who don't, and those who mistake it for
May 06 21:55:59 <geniice>	biniary
May 06 21:56:13 <alyxuk>	Ironholds: i vote we kill all the no voters, you with me?
May 06 21:56:28 <geniice>	that would be excessive
May 06 21:56:35 <KimiNewt>	When I was in my course
May 06 21:56:37 <KimiNewt>	army course
May 06 21:56:44 <KimiNewt>	we'd have workouts twice a week
May 06 21:56:51 <Ironholds>	alyxuk: no
May 06 21:57:02 <KimiNewt>	and we did all our counting of things in hexa
May 06 21:57:14 <Ironholds>	just because I fundamentally refuse to engage in a killing spree which includes you as a perpetrator rather than a victim
May 06 21:57:15 <KimiNewt>	and sometimes in binary if there wasn't too much of it
May 06 21:57:22 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal
May 06 21:57:34 <KimiNewt>	Yes, that's the article I was looking at.
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May 06 22:02:31 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: aww. I wanted AV. We must avenge the Yes campaign.
May 06 22:02:31 <Gfoley4>	=)
May 06 22:02:33 <Fluffernutter>	oh, so i'm just an instrument to you people, eh?
May 06 22:02:41 *	Fluffernutter exacts a bloody snugglevenge
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May 06 22:02:47 <Gfoley4>	;o
May 06 22:03:09 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Fluffernutter tightly
May 06 22:03:36 *	LauraHale huggles Hedgehog456  and Fluffernutter
May 06 22:03:41 <LauraHale>	Good morning.
May 06 22:03:47 <LauraHale>	The sky has not fallen in the future.
May 06 22:03:57 *	Hedgehog456 huggles LauraHale tightly
May 06 22:04:00 <Hedgehog456>	Excellent...
May 06 22:04:04 <LauraHale>	:D
May 06 22:04:09 *	Hedgehog456 goes forward in time in his TARDIS
May 06 22:04:17 *	Hedgehog456 pushes the sky over
May 06 22:04:22 <LauraHale>	It may be chilly and you may not see any roos today.
May 06 22:04:23 *	Hedgehog456 returns
May 06 22:04:26 <LauraHale>	Or tomorrow depending on where you live
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May 06 22:04:38 <Hedgehog456>	http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/epic-fail-photos-frying-pan-fail.gif
May 06 22:04:42 <LauraHale>	No pushing over the sky.
May 06 22:04:47 <Hedgehog456>	http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/cell_phone_in_microwave.gif
May 06 22:05:02 <Hedgehog456>	Both safe for work ;)
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May 06 22:12:53 <Hedgehog456>	"Unexpected weight in baggage area. Please wait for assistance."
May 06 22:13:41 <PeterSymonds>	Sounds like self-service checkout.
May 06 22:13:56 <killiondude>	Your call is important to us, please hold.
May 06 22:14:56 <Hedgehog456>	"Requires identification."
May 06 22:15:30 <Hedgehog456>	"Checkout 4 requires assistance, assistance for Checkout 4, assistance for Checkout 4, assistance for Checkout 4."
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May 06 22:27:05 <Doh5678>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_Evil_For_Jail.  What CSD is this?
May 06 22:27:25 <MacMed>	A1: no context
May 06 22:27:30 <Hedgehog456>	CSD0
May 06 22:27:34 <Hedgehog456>	G0
May 06 22:27:42 <Hedgehog456>	It's already been deleted
May 06 22:27:45 <MacMed>	yep
May 06 22:28:22 <MacMed>	is there a page to see recently uploaded files
May 06 22:28:27 <Hedgehog456>	G0 aka GFail aka Hedgy's Law
May 06 22:28:54 <MacMed>	nm: found upload log
May 06 22:29:27 <Tatsujin>	http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/05/06/122233/A-25-PC-On-a-USB-Stick
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May 06 22:32:16 <Gfoley4>	MacMed: Special:NewFiles is better
May 06 22:32:25 <MacMed>	thanks gfoley
May 06 22:32:27 <Gfoley4>	=)
May 06 22:32:40 <MacMed>	<
May 06 22:32:41 <MacMed>	3
May 06 22:32:42 <KimiNewt>	That's cool Tatsujin
May 06 22:32:43 <MacMed>	fail
May 06 22:32:55 <KimiNewt>	but for "every child"
May 06 22:32:59 *	Ironholds has quit ()
May 06 22:33:04 <KimiNewt>	that's a bit odd, because while a keyboard is easy enough to get
May 06 22:33:10 <KimiNewt>	how about a monitor with an HDMI input
May 06 22:33:45 <KimiNewt>	and I don't see how that in particular would familiarise kids with programming and the like
May 06 22:33:50 <KimiNewt>	only because it runs linux?
May 06 22:34:58 <tommorris>	just did something very clever in Python, but had no idea how I did it. That's a recurring theme for me. ;-)
May 06 22:35:10 <KimiNewt>	That's because it's Python
May 06 22:35:18 <KimiNewt>	It's not very clever if you can't understand it
May 06 22:38:30 <Hedgehog456>	Python is weird
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May 06 22:38:42 <KimiNewt>	you mother is weird
May 06 22:38:58 <KimiNewt>	it's just english and some tabs
May 06 22:39:00 <Hedgehog456>	I'm not a mother
May 06 22:39:08 <Hedgehog456>	I'm clearly male
May 06 22:39:29 <Hedgehog456>	KimiNewt: If you think that... you've never truly tried to program a quiz in it
May 06 22:39:52 <Hedgehog456>	I remember that day vividly
May 06 22:40:10 <tommorris>	it all sort of works, but because I have no idea of the underlying logic of it.
May 06 22:40:33 <KimiNewt>	I've programmed things slightly more complex than quizes
May 06 22:40:40 <tommorris>	it is protecting me from my own brain ;-)
May 06 22:40:50 <tommorris>	this is probably a good thing
May 06 22:41:17 <tommorris>	enforced simplicity is a nice feeling
May 06 22:41:38 <tommorris>	it's just a bit weird to be using an iterator to turn an iterator into an iterator
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May 06 22:47:36 <geniice>	where there are tales of mob violence, looting and cats sporting opposition colours.
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May 06 22:50:27 <tommorris>	IRCers, if you are bored, there's a huge backlog on [[WP:AFC]]
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May 06 22:50:55 <Hedgehog456>	Tomorrow
May 06 22:51:04 <Hedgehog456>	I will become a Great Wikipedian
May 06 22:51:23 <Hedgehog456>	And proclaim 'FAB, GUYS' to the masses
May 06 22:51:32 <Hedgehog456>	And that is the word of the Hedgehog
May 06 22:54:25 <KimiNewt>	you're a bit of an idiot
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May 06 22:57:39 <Hedgehog456>	And if you believed that you'd believe anything
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May 06 22:59:50 <Hedgehog456>	Bye
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May 06 23:14:17 <lfaraone>	Is http://www.ksplice.com/images/ksplice-trans.png usable on Wikipedia under fair use, or is it non-copyrightable?
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May 06 23:16:03 <foks>	A friend has literally spelled a word "HALEPINGNOS"
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May 06 23:16:36 <foks>	lfaraone, I'd probably say non-copyrightable
May 06 23:17:13 <lfaraone>	mk. Otoh, I'm going to be interning there, so I proooobably don't want to post to commons with a note "ineligable for copyright".
May 06 23:17:25 <lfaraone>	foks: ^^ upon further reflection.
May 06 23:17:40 <foks>	...Come again?
May 06 23:17:50 <foks>	Oh, "otoh" = on the other hand?
May 06 23:18:07 <lfaraone>	right.
May 06 23:18:13 <foks>	and "interning" = gaining work experience
May 06 23:18:15 <foks>	COOL
May 06 23:18:44 <foks>	So, yeah, fair-use it.
May 06 23:18:46 <foks>	:3
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May 06 23:25:41 <milo_went>	i saw the article on the middleton dog was deleted.  OH THE HORROR.
May 06 23:26:12 <killiondude>	RIP.
May 06 23:27:14 <foks>	cool beans dood
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May 06 23:29:49 <darkoneko>	zzz
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May 06 23:32:02 <killiondude>	thehelpfulone ON WHEELS!
May 06 23:32:10 <Thehelpfulone>	:O
May 06 23:33:10 <killiondude>	have you, sir, ever been on wheels?
May 06 23:34:25 <Thehelpfulone>	I got blocked once because a script thought I was trying to HAGGER??? a page ;)
May 06 23:34:41 <PeterSymonds>	You probably were.
May 06 23:35:11 <Thehelpfulone>	slakr can vouch for me ;)
May 06 23:36:52 <geniice>	Brian David Josephson edits? damn
May 06 23:40:06 *	Randomguy83 (ad318c8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.49.140.141) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 23:40:15 <Randomguy83>	i liek cheese ;)
May 06 23:40:24 <Randomguy83>	damn.
May 06 23:40:41 <Randomguy83>	vandals seem to be sleeping right now
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May 06 23:40:57 <Gfoley4>	?
May 06 23:41:18 <Logan_>	¿
May 06 23:41:36 <Randomguy83>	¿existo?
May 06 23:41:48 <Logan_>	pienso que sí
May 06 23:42:04 <milo_went>	Is your TV gay?  inquriing minds want to know.
May 06 23:42:05 <milo_went>	http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/110426-is-tv-too-gay
May 06 23:42:50 <milo_went>	fox hating on fox.  fun fun fun fun.
May 06 23:43:29 <Narodnik>	there are now 3,631,170 articles on the English Wikipedia
May 06 23:43:41 <foks>	sweet stats
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May 06 23:45:34 <Randomguy83>	I wonder what'll be the 6,666,666th article
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May 06 23:45:51 <Dragonfly6-7>	wait, how gay is *too* gay?
May 06 23:47:00 <milo_went>	good question, dragon.  apparently 2 gay couples on a single show is TOO MUCH.
May 06 23:47:11 <milo_went>	moden family, one couple, must be OK.
May 06 23:47:12 <milo_went>	modern*
May 06 23:47:34 <Randomguy83>	someone just trolled my userpage with "ur GAY ur GAY ur GAY...etc"
May 06 23:47:42 <Randomguy83>	really
May 06 23:47:55 <milo_went>	glad to know 14 yr olds never change.
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May 06 23:48:03 *	Meepsheep (~meepmeep@c-98-245-197-226.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 23:48:10 <Randomguy83>	KICK HIM
May 06 23:48:15 <Randomguy83>	Meepsheep is ED Troll
May 06 23:48:23 <Meepsheep>	No I am not
May 06 23:48:27 <Randomguy83>	no?
May 06 23:48:33 <Randomguy83>	who are you then?
May 06 23:48:40 <Meepsheep>	Just a wikipedia editor
May 06 23:48:45 <Randomguy83>	...
May 06 23:48:51 <Randomguy83>	Zalgo?
May 06 23:49:02 <Randomguy83>	(shrugs)
May 06 23:49:03 <Meepsheep>	No
May 06 23:49:09 <Gfoley4>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Salvio_giuliano#Re:_Curiosity
May 06 23:49:11 <Gfoley4>	hmmm
May 06 23:49:25 <Meepsheep>	Randomguy83, why do you accuse me of such things?
May 06 23:49:31 <Gfoley4>	because it's true
May 06 23:49:32 <Gfoley4>	=)
May 06 23:49:37 <Meepsheep>	It is a lie
May 06 23:49:41 <milo_went>	i thought enc. dramatica grew up and is now trying to monetize itself.
May 06 23:49:44 <killiondude>	like cake
May 06 23:49:49 <Randomguy83>	still
May 06 23:49:51 <Meepsheep>	I don't know what "ED Troll" means
May 06 23:49:58 <Randomguy83>	...
May 06 23:50:02 <milo_went>	sure...
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May 06 23:50:13 <Randomguy83>	Encyclopedia Dramatica...
May 06 23:50:14 <killiondude>	erectile dysfunctional troll
May 06 23:50:19 <Randomguy83>	lol
May 06 23:50:24 <Meepsheep>	what is encyclopedia dramatica?
May 06 23:50:34 <killiondude>	cake.
May 06 23:50:42 <PeterSymonds>	:-)
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May 06 23:50:58 <Randomguy83>	encyclopedia disfunctiona is the disfunctional wiki.
May 06 23:51:11 <Meepsheep>	I thought you said it was called dramatica
May 06 23:51:23 <Randomguy83>	i know
May 06 23:51:29 <Randomguy83>	it's just...
May 06 23:51:31 <Meepsheep>	so why is it so bad?
May 06 23:51:33 <Randomguy83>	...a nasty place
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May 06 23:51:40 <Randomguy83>	pr0n
May 06 23:51:53 <Gfoley4>	ugh
May 06 23:51:54 <milo_went>	speaking of ED, funny OSL pic i saw was a dude at his computer typing "osama bin laden rule 34"
May 06 23:51:54 <Randomguy83>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_Dramatica
May 06 23:51:58 <Meepsheep>	oh
May 06 23:52:03 <Gfoley4>	DFTT, etc.
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May 06 23:52:35 <Meepsheep>	Doesn't seem like such a bad place
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May 06 23:52:50 <Randomguy83>	wait...
May 06 23:52:56 <Randomguy83>	they're banning JACK MERRIDEW>!
May 06 23:52:58 <Randomguy83>	?!
May 06 23:53:09 <milo_went>	wasn't jack already banned or something?
May 06 23:53:13 <Randomguy83>	no
May 06 23:53:22 <Randomguy83>	just some strict terms or something
May 06 23:53:26 <Randomguy83>	idk
May 06 23:53:52 <milo_went>	i believe he was editing under some IP recently doing whatever trolling he wanted to do, i saw somediscussoin on that
May 06 23:54:05 <Randomguy83>	incivility
May 06 23:54:14 <Randomguy83>	I'd oppose the ban anyway...
May 06 23:54:20 <Randomguy83>	⋙–Berean–Hunter—►
May 06 23:54:22 <Randomguy83>	oops
May 06 23:54:29 <Randomguy83>	meant to copy it elsewhere...
May 06 23:54:38 <Meepsheep>	I don't think that anyone should be banned
May 06 23:54:52 <milo_went>	obviously some people shouldbe banned.
May 06 23:54:53 <Randomguy83>	no?
May 06 23:54:59 <Randomguy83>	how about Zsfgseg
May 06 23:55:09 <milo_went>	like anyone that annoys me.
May 06 23:55:10 <Meepsheep>	milo_went, like who?
May 06 23:55:14 <Randomguy83>	the civil troll who outs people.
May 06 23:55:33 <milo_went>	total vandal accounts, for one obvious category.
May 06 23:55:48 <Meepsheep>	I don't think that vandals really have bad intentions
May 06 23:55:54 <Randomguy83>	hmm
May 06 23:55:57 <milo_went>	lol
May 06 23:56:12 <Meepsheep>	I think they are just misguided
May 06 23:56:20 <Randomguy83>	how about "good" users who make sock farms?
May 06 23:56:34 <Meepsheep>	Socks are acceptable
May 06 23:56:36 <milo_went>	their intentions are irrelevant when they insert the middle name of "cocksucker" into BLPS all over the place, for example.
May 06 23:56:37 <killiondude>	/clear
May 06 23:56:44 <Gfoley4>	^
May 06 23:56:46 <killiondude>	---------------------------------
May 06 23:56:48 <killiondude>	New topic
May 06 23:56:50 <killiondude>	---------------------------------
May 06 23:56:52 <killiondude>	hi
May 06 23:56:56 <Randomguy83>	...
May 06 23:56:57 <Gfoley4>	hey killiondude
May 06 23:56:57 <geniice>	okeeeeey
May 06 23:57:00 <Meepsheep>	hello
May 06 23:57:03 <milo_went>	Rebecca Black:  Yet antoher friday
May 06 23:57:04 <Logan_>	oh hey killiondude
May 06 23:57:27 <killiondude>	Gotta get down on Friday.
May 06 23:57:30 <killiondude>	&c.
May 06 23:57:53 <milo_went>	better than the Beatles.
May 06 23:57:53 <Randomguy83>	ugh
May 06 23:58:16 <Randomguy83>	Saturday, Fun, fun, fun, fun, a 100mph train ride to San Francisco while I do nothing
May 06 23:58:18 <milo_went>	and going back to my "is fox too gay" link, they are going to perform Friday on Glee.
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May 06 23:58:55 <Randomguy83>	lol
May 06 23:59:01 <Randomguy83>	#cheese
May 07 00:00:08 <geniice>	whats the move to commons template?
May 07 00:00:21 <Gfoley4>	{{move to commons}}
May 07 00:00:50 <Gfoley4>	or {{subst:mtc}}
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May 07 00:02:29 <milo_went>	and its saturday to some.   night all.
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May 07 00:03:55 <Meepsheep>	{{StripWhitespace}} :)
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May 07 00:09:21 <Meepsheep>	lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kwamikagami#Problem_with_Template:IPAsym
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May 07 00:09:59 <Guerillero>	!op can you please remove the troll
May 07 00:10:09 <Guerillero>	he is advertising his vandalism
May 07 00:10:11 <Meepsheep>	Who is the troll?
May 07 00:10:31 <Dragonfly6-7>	EAT BRAINS
May 07 00:10:41 <Thehelpfulone>	who?
May 07 00:10:44 <Guerillero>	that would be a zombie DF
May 07 00:10:47 <killiondude>	would the real troll please raise their hand
May 07 00:10:55 <foks|vaek>	Meepsheep
May 07 00:11:02 <Meepsheep>	what about me?
May 07 00:11:12 <killiondude>	Yes, well. We know they are a troll but they haven't done anything in here.
May 07 00:11:12 <foks|vaek>	!ops Give 'im a kick, would you?
May 07 00:11:22 <foks|vaek>	sigh
May 07 00:11:24 <killiondude>	Guerillero: That's not advertising vandalism. :|
May 07 00:11:31 <foks|vaek>	love the ops in here
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May 07 00:11:58 <killiondude>	Ask Prodego.
May 07 00:12:08 <Meepsheep>	don't ask him
May 07 00:12:12 <Meepsheep>	he feeds lies
May 07 00:12:15 <foks|vaek>	Why not? scared?
May 07 00:12:19 <foks|vaek>	fuck's sake
May 07 00:12:23 <Logan_>	foks|vaek: /ignore is an amazing command
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May 07 00:12:30 <Gfoley4>	rly?
May 07 00:12:49 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to killiondude
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May 07 00:12:52 *	killiondude has kicked Meepsheep from #wikipedia-en (Meepsheep)
May 07 00:12:55 <killiondude>	I read the wrong section.
May 07 00:12:57 *	ChanServ removes channel operator status from killiondude
May 07 00:13:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	can we ban him from the channel?
May 07 00:13:28 <killiondude>	I did.
May 07 00:13:29 <Gfoley4>	just did ^^
May 07 00:13:45 <foks|vaek>	sweet moves killiondude
May 07 00:13:55 <foks|vaek>	now to move on with life and such
May 07 00:14:01 <Prodego>	I mean, he'll be back
May 07 00:14:10 <Prodego>	so it won't accomplish a super lot
May 07 00:14:26 <Dragonfly6-7>	can we have him killed?
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May 07 00:14:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	I'm not talking about a kline
May 07 00:14:56 <Dragonfly6-7>	I'm talking about having him actually killed. Ending his life. Making him a total organ donor.
May 07 00:15:01 <killiondude>	I'm sure it's possible. The logistics and legality are questionable.
May 07 00:15:06 <foks|vaek>	lol
May 07 00:15:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh, the logistics are easy enough.
May 07 00:15:25 <Peter-C>	I will eat you all >:|
May 07 00:15:31 <killiondude>	#fat
May 07 00:15:46 <Peter-C>	:(
May 07 00:15:58 <Logan_>	killiondude: what about it?
May 07 00:16:31 <killiondude>	[[hashtags]] look like channel names on irc occasionally
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May 07 00:19:25 <KFP>	killiondude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE
May 07 00:21:16 <killiondude>	heh
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May 07 00:25:09 <Logan_>	SpitfireWP: :P
May 07 00:25:26 <Logan_>	killiondude: /join #fat
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May 07 00:26:43 <KFP>	>.>
May 07 00:26:47 <Logan_>	<.<
May 07 00:27:51 <killiondude>	obesity is a disease like alcoholism
May 07 00:27:54 <killiondude>	don't catch it
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May 07 00:28:38 <Logan_>	I am incapable of obesity no matter how much I eat :P
May 07 00:30:01 <Sunderland06>	Logan_: Are you trying to become obese? :p
May 07 00:30:10 <Logan_>	heh
May 07 00:30:15 <Logan_>	didn't mean to imply that
May 07 00:31:23 <Delta>	any admins around that want to pad their deletion counts?
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May 07 00:31:54 <Logan_>	does this look like a copyvio to anyone else? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alan_Irvine_After_Getting_The_Job.jpg
May 07 00:32:33 *	barts1a sniffs
May 07 00:32:33 <Courcelles>	Logan_, it stinks of one...
May 07 00:32:34 <barts1a>	smells like it
May 07 00:32:40 <MacMed>	Logan_: oui
May 07 00:33:02 <Logan_>	yo copyvio, imma let you finish, but PUF have one of the best deletion processes of all time
May 07 00:33:30 <barts1a>	that got old 2 years ago
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May 07 00:33:49 <Logan_>	so did you
May 07 00:33:55 <killiondude>	oh burn
May 07 00:34:07 <barts1a>	*yawn*... got anything GOOD?
May 07 00:34:13 <Logan_>	killiondude: :P
May 07 00:34:37 <Logan_>	barts1a: no, I'm not tired enough
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May 07 00:34:50 <Lyrithya>	What's a dab page?
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May 07 00:35:46 <barts1a>	Disambiguation page
May 07 00:35:47 <NuclearWarfare>	[[WP:DISAMBIG]]
May 07 00:35:55 <Lyrithya>	Oh, right. >.<
May 07 00:35:58 <NuclearWarfare>	Logan_: speedied
May 07 00:36:06 <Logan_>	NuclearWarfare: heh, I just PUFed it
May 07 00:36:11 <Logan_>	oops :P
May 07 00:36:31 *	Logan_ removes
May 07 00:36:42 <barts1a>	Are you kidding me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_May_6#6_May_2011
May 07 00:36:43 <Logan_>	but thanks NW
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May 07 00:39:02 <Gfoley4>	fantasy baseball advice, plz: Trade Votto for Berkman & Carlos Quentin ?
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May 07 00:42:43 <Gfoley4>	wtf
May 07 00:44:17 <Thehelpfulone>	Gfoley4: Gfoley4 has left wolfe.freenode.net (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
May 07 00:44:30 <Gfoley4>	:/
May 07 00:44:34 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: peer doesn't like you
May 07 00:44:40 <Logan_>	you'll have to accept that fact
May 07 00:44:58 <MacMed>	barts1a: that DRV is just silly
May 07 00:45:06 <barts1a>	IKR
May 07 00:45:57 <MacMed>	who is this scott mac person
May 07 00:46:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's Doc Glasgow
May 07 00:47:54 <MacMed>	oh he changed names?
May 07 00:48:11 <MacMed>	ps what's the template for lacking a fair use rationale
May 07 00:48:33 <Gfoley4>	use twinkle
May 07 00:48:40 <MacMed>	blah
May 07 00:48:42 <Gfoley4>	under "DI"
May 07 00:48:57 <MacMed>	i hate doing two when i've already edited :P
May 07 00:50:15 <Logan_>	MacMed: {{di-no fair use rationale|date=6 May 2011}}
May 07 00:50:34 <MacMed>	i already twinkled :p thanks though
May 07 00:51:01 <Logan_>	haha, np
May 07 00:51:05 *	Logan_ glares at Gfoley4 
May 07 00:51:12 <Gfoley4>	9-9
May 07 00:51:18 *	Logan_ throws a whale at Gfoley4 
May 07 00:51:20 *	Logan_ walks away
May 07 00:52:12 <MacMed>	walk away bitch
May 07 00:52:14 <MacMed>	:D
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May 07 00:55:41 <Logan_>	Excess Flood O_O
May 07 00:56:13 <barts1a>	dammit.... they opened the floodgates again...
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May 07 01:37:12 <GorillaWarfare>	¬.¬ Quiet around here...
May 07 01:37:19 *	derp farts.
May 07 01:37:32 *	barts1a derps
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May 07 01:40:03 <wctaiwan>	on the BlackBerry PlayBook: "Not useful as a computer; too light to serve as a doorstop."
May 07 01:42:12 <derp>	heh
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May 07 01:44:29 *	[DQ|work] is now known as DeltaQuad
May 07 01:48:10 <derp>	DeltaQuad, where do you work?
May 07 01:48:46 <DeltaQuad>	mcdonalds...maybe WMF this summer
May 07 01:48:55 <derp>	cool :)
May 07 01:48:58 <derp>	fry cook?
May 07 01:49:14 <DeltaQuad>	Grills are my specialty, but anything in back
May 07 01:49:47 <derp>	ah ok
May 07 01:49:52 *	derp works at Google Montreal
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May 07 01:50:15 <Jeske_Couriano>	I think Off2riorob has lost it.
May 07 01:50:27 <Jeske_Couriano>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Pending_changes/Request_for_Comment_February_2011#Closing_status
May 07 01:52:46 <Herodotus>	wctaiwan: That hasn't stopped people from gobbling up iPads.
May 07 01:53:30 <wctaiwan>	Herodotus: the person was talking about PlayBook in particular. I'm not interested in a tablet debate (right now :P), I just thought the condescending tone was hilarious.
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May 07 02:39:23 <Gfoley4>	I love it when you find a bunch of refs for an article :D
May 07 02:39:33 <Gfoley4>	even if you have to pay for it :(
May 07 02:39:43 <Glass_Arm>	agreed
May 07 02:39:55 <Glass_Arm>	i trust articles with several refs
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May 07 02:44:15 <Dcoetzee>	"Articles with several refs are trustworthy.<ref>Glass_Arm, IRC, 6 May 2011.</ref>"
May 07 02:45:08 <Gfoley4>	don't forget "#wikipedia-en"
May 07 02:45:09 <Gfoley4>	;)
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May 07 02:46:25 <KFP>	\o Dcoetzee. :)
May 07 02:46:32 *	Dcoetzee waves to KFP :-)
May 07 02:48:56 <sonia>	I don't get a wave? :P
May 07 02:49:14 *	Glass_Arm does not wave to sonia
May 07 02:49:32 <Peter-C>	Gfoley4 is my lover
May 07 02:49:37 *	Peter-C licks Gfoley4
May 07 02:49:45 *	Peter-C makes sonia jelous
May 07 02:49:53 <sonia>	o_O
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May 07 02:50:03 <sonia>	I'm happy to watch the fun :)
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May 07 02:53:13 <KFP>	o/ sonia.
May 07 02:53:40 *	sonia waves to KFP
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May 07 02:56:25 <geniice>	hmm man drinks his own homeopathic piss
May 07 02:56:27 <geniice>	http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2009/09/if-homeopathy-works-ill-drink-my-own.html
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May 07 03:03:04 <Gfoley4>	hi Peter-C
May 07 03:03:07 <Gfoley4>	<3
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May 07 03:32:16 <Sp33dyphil>	Hi everyone
May 07 03:32:23 <Sp33dyphil>	What time is it in the US?
May 07 03:32:36 <MacMed>	depends on where in the US
May 07 03:32:56 <Sp33dyphil>	NYC
May 07 03:33:19 <KFP>	Sp33dyphil: 22:33 on Friday.
May 07 03:33:57 <Sp33dyphil>	Oh, so Melbourne Australia is 14 hours ahead; it's 12:34
May 07 03:34:38 <Sp33dyphil>	Does someone mind reviewing an article currently at WP:GAN?
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May 07 03:38:39 <Sp33dyphil>	Anyone home?
May 07 03:39:06 <Sp33dyphil>	Why are there a whole list of logged-in users, but there's no activity?
May 07 03:39:20 *	sonia shrugs
May 07 03:39:26 <sonia>	because most of us are idle, doing other things but here
May 07 03:39:34 <Glass_Arm>	Sp33dyphil: you must be new here
May 07 03:39:43 *	MacMed is editing a random economics article
May 07 03:39:48 <MacMed>	and i'm a science guy
May 07 03:39:57 <Glass_Arm>	I'm useless
May 07 03:39:58 *	sonia is making an SVG of a PD-textlogo
May 07 03:40:01 <Sp33dyphil>	Yep - I spend most of my time editiing
May 07 03:40:33 <Glass_Arm>	I just idle here because i appreciate Wikipedia's goal
May 07 03:40:34 <Sp33dyphil>	Anyway, is anyone kind enough to review Neil Armstrong, which is currently at WP:GAN?
May 07 03:40:52 <Sp33dyphil>	Glass Arm: hehe
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May 07 03:41:11 <MacMed>	Sp33dyphil: how long has it been waiting? cause there is quite the backlog :P
May 07 03:41:29 <Sp33dyphil>	Four days, maybe
May 07 03:41:38 <Sp33dyphil>	Please prioritise
May 07 03:41:52 <Sp33dyphil>	Please review those that are older first
May 07 03:42:24 <MacMed>	it'll be a while Sp33dyphil. the oldest ones are almost 2 months
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May 07 03:42:53 <Sp33dyphil>	If you want, you can simply call my Phil
May 07 03:43:05 <Sp33dyphil>	No problem
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May 07 03:53:05 <LauraHale>	It is a beautiful afternoon.
May 07 03:53:11 *	sonia waves to LauraHale
May 07 03:53:23 *	LauraHale waves back to sonia
May 07 03:53:29 <LauraHale>	A new person to harrass!
May 07 03:53:35 <LauraHale>	How are you post tornado?
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May 07 03:53:59 <KFP>	LauraHale: It's 05:53 silly.
May 07 03:55:01 <LauraHale>	12:54pm on Saturday on Free Comic Book Day.
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May 07 03:56:07 <KFP>	LauraHale: (That was 5:53 am for you sill 12-hour clock people.)
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May 07 03:56:22 <sonia>	LauraHale: fine
May 07 03:57:01 <LauraHale>	KFP: Good time to be up. :)
May 07 03:57:14 <KFP>	._.
May 07 03:57:22 <LauraHale>	sonia: No new earthquakes, typhoons, tornados, mudslides, volcanos in New Zealand?
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May 07 03:57:57 <sonia>	LauraHale: nope; managed to accidentally get chemical burns (never pair me up with a similarly insane lab partner) but no big events
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May 07 03:59:08 <LauraHale>	...
May 07 03:59:14 <LauraHale>	chemical burns are not good.
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May 07 03:59:42 <LauraHale>	How will people like hedgehog huggles you if touching you damages you?
May 07 04:00:10 <sonia>	heh
May 07 04:00:23 <sonia>	touching me doesn't damage me overly; I'm just not sure the scarring will actually go away :p
May 07 04:01:08 <geniice>	sonia what were they from?
May 07 04:01:21 <sonia>	I don't actually know :p
May 07 04:01:27 <geniice>	what was the result?
May 07 04:01:52 <LauraHale>	Ouchies to scarring.
May 07 04:02:03 <sonia>	was heating unknown chemical w/ NaOH and it basically blew up
May 07 04:02:40 <geniice>	so heat and alkali burns
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May 07 04:02:54 <geniice>	harmless
May 07 04:02:57 <sonia>	woot
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May 07 04:03:36 <geniice>	heat burns will be pretty minor you would know what had burned you and the worse the NaOH will have does is convent some of you under skin fat into soap
May 07 04:03:50 <geniice>	and if it was in solution it is unlikely to have gone too deep
May 07 04:04:17 <geniice>	sonia you doing any biology?
May 07 04:04:22 <sonia>	nope
May 07 04:05:08 <geniice>	hmm then the most problematical chemical you are likely to face is silver nitrate. results in black blotches on the skin
May 07 04:05:22 <geniice>	they fade after a while though
May 07 04:05:28 <sonia>	that might be it, then
May 07 04:06:03 <geniice>	Can't see why you would have been heating that with NaOH
May 07 04:06:12 *	sonia has no idea
May 07 04:06:23 <sonia>	I walked in late and my partner was halfway through whatever we were meant to be doing
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May 07 04:06:31 *	geniice isn't the best of chemists and has a worry amount of experience of what happens if you get stuff on your hands
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May 07 04:07:02 <geniice>	strangely the worse was potassium chloride
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May 07 04:07:22 <sonia>	what happened there? :p
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May 07 04:07:56 <geniice>	spilled a solution of it onto my hand and I had a slight cut. potassium chloride really stimulates the nerves so it hurt a lot
May 07 04:08:48 <geniice>	other than that just ended up with some interesting colours
May 07 04:09:07 <sonia>	heh
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May 07 04:12:43 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh god, [[The MoonQuest]] - this is awful
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May 07 04:46:58 <MickWithoutGlass>	Well, I'm here
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May 07 04:48:01 <KFP>	So it seems.
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May 07 05:40:29 <sonia>	!$@#%#$%#$^
May 07 05:40:37 <LauraHale>	What now?
May 07 05:40:47 *	LauraHale offers sonia hot chocolate from Koko Black.
May 07 05:40:49 <sonia>	Inkscape crashed on me :p
May 07 05:41:31 <sonia>	and I lost a shitload of work
May 07 05:41:39 <KFP>	sonia: ...But of course you'd saved your chang... Oh.
May 07 05:41:43 <sonia>	:P
May 07 05:41:52 *	sonia really really should remember to do that more often
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May 07 05:56:25 <Teles>	evening
May 07 05:57:24 <Teles>	I have a problem with a word that exist on English but apparently doesn't exist on Portuguese... I wonder if I can ask help here
May 07 05:57:39 <Teles>	"outreach"
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May 07 06:00:05 <Teles>	is it similar to "proactive"?
May 07 06:00:43 <sonia>	hmm
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May 07 06:00:46 <sonia>	not really
May 07 06:00:52 <KFP>	Hello Teles. Depends a bit on context.
May 07 06:01:37 <Teles>	I know it is not :( ... but it is the closest I could get
May 07 06:02:01 <Teles>	this text is not good on portuguese version http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_2011_Update&uselang=en
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May 07 06:03:42 <KFP>	Teles: In this context "attempt to provide services beyond conventional limits" might be close.
May 07 06:03:50 <Teles>	"Increasing community awareness of these issues and supporting outreach efforts of individuals, groups and Chapters"
May 07 06:04:25 <Teles>	hmm
May 07 06:04:53 <KFP>	Teles: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/outreach   <-- See the last entry of the noun section.
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May 07 06:06:48 <KFP>	Teles: ...Or per Wiktionary: "The act or practice of visiting and providing the services (of a charity or other organization) to people who might not otherwise have access to those services."
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May 07 06:08:57 <Teles>	I'm trying to find a word that fits better...
May 07 06:10:17 <KFP>	Teles: ...For the English language page?
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May 07 06:11:01 <Teles>	to translate it to Portuguese version
May 07 06:12:05 <KFP>	Teles: There might not be a single word in Portuguese. I can't think of one in Finnish (my native language).
May 07 06:14:47 <Teles>	yeah... I think there isn't indeed :s
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May 07 06:16:19 <Teles>	thanks for helping, KFP :)
May 07 06:16:47 <KFP>	Teles: Languages are different. Not only in terms of vocabulary and grammar but also in some other ways.
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May 07 06:18:39 <Teles>	hmm... what is your point?
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May 07 06:19:32 <KFP>	Teles: Just that accurate translation is not always easy.
May 07 06:21:12 <Teles>	I see
May 07 06:26:12 <Teles>	that doesn't appear to be an easy case... the problem is that the current version is wrong and not only that phrase
May 07 06:27:04 <Teles>	somebody used a translator I guess...
May 07 06:28:14 <sonia>	oh dear, translators
May 07 06:28:19 <KFP>	Teles: Just to be clear, I don't know portuguese at all.
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May 07 06:29:11 <Headbomb>	BTW
May 07 06:29:13 <Headbomb>	i'm not drunk
May 07 06:29:15 <Headbomb>	not AT ALL
May 07 06:29:22 <Headbomb>	just to be clear
May 07 06:29:57 <KFP>	;|
May 07 06:30:54 <Teles>	I've just seen the Spanish version... is not correct either
May 07 06:31:02 <Headbomb>	it's OK
May 07 06:31:08 <Headbomb>	i'm not drunk in spanish too
May 07 06:32:47 <Teles>	I will get drunk and find the solution
May 07 06:33:10 <Headbomb>	that is a PHENOMENALLY GOOD IDEA
May 07 06:33:16 <Teles>	works with my homework
May 07 06:33:45 <Headbomb>	but a bigger question is...
May 07 06:33:51 <Headbomb>	should i eat my contacts?
May 07 06:34:26 <sonia>	depends if you mean contact lenses or human contacts
May 07 06:34:34 <Headbomb>	contact lenses
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May 07 06:36:33 <Teles>	thank god it's not human contact... there are two possible translations to "eating human contacts" on Portuguese... none of them are good
May 07 06:37:05 <Headbomb>	well human contacts would be awesome to eat if they were the female kind
May 07 06:37:26 <Headbomb>	but unfortunately, they aren't
May 07 06:38:36 <Headbomb>	i think i'll defer to wisdom and not eat my contacts
May 07 06:38:53 <Headbomb>	i'm pretty sure nothing would go wrong, but why take chances
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May 07 08:28:21 <Douche>	bad killiondude !
May 07 08:28:28 <killiondude>	who what where
May 07 08:28:31 *	Douche got back from the club
May 07 08:28:33 <Douche>	:P
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May 07 08:48:24 <Ironholds>	whelp, turns out that the no-to-AV campaigners were right
May 07 08:48:31 <Ironholds>	the British public really are fucking imbeciles
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May 07 08:49:40 <sonia>	Ironholds: ?
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May 07 08:50:37 <zscout370>	sonia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011
May 07 08:50:48 *	sonia clicks
May 07 08:51:00 <foks>	Ironholds, *pet pet*
May 07 08:51:20 *	MuZemike is tempted to redirect [[Facepalm]] to [[User:Jack Merridew]]
May 07 08:51:32 <sonia>	heh, MuZemike
May 07 08:51:45 <paradoxaz>	Hello ;)
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May 07 08:53:33 <Sp33dyphil>	Is anyone here free?
May 07 08:53:39 *	Pesky gives Sonia ecstatic licky wolfly greeting
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May 07 08:54:15 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil: I don't think any of us charge …… what did you want?
May 07 08:54:15 *	MuZemike doesn't know if he should say "hi" back
May 07 08:54:41 *	Pesky wags tail at MuZemike 
May 07 08:55:21 <Sp33dyphil>	You see, I'm in the WikiCup, and I'm wondering if anyone could review Neil Armstrong, which is at WP:GAN, at the very bottom
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May 07 08:55:48 <TBloemink>	Lol? my user page has been revdeld XD
May 07 08:55:55 <Pesky>	Errrrk …. I've only ever done one GAR so far, which was a bit deadline-stressy
May 07 08:55:57 *	sonia deletes TBloemink altogether
May 07 08:56:07 <Tyw7|mobile>	Hello
May 07 08:56:13 <TBloemink>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:TBloemink&diff=next&oldid=426853350
May 07 08:56:27 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil:  someone else is probably a better bet for you
May 07 08:56:40 <TBloemink>	was that annoying user yesterday, the same page was copied like 6 times on his user talk page
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May 07 08:56:48 <Sp33dyphil>	OK
May 07 08:57:02 <Pesky>	I am still very novicey at GAR
May 07 08:57:08 <TBloemink>	oh, that's not the only one
May 07 08:57:17 <Pesky>	But there are loads of good folks on here that would be good
May 07 08:57:28 *	sonia is not one of them, unfortunately
May 07 08:57:39 <Sp33dyphil>	It doesn't have to your prowess
May 07 08:57:44 <Sp33dyphil>	Give it another go
May 07 08:57:46 <Pesky>	Dcoetzee is a good reviewer
May 07 08:57:51 <Pesky>	Hey Dcoetzee
May 07 08:57:55 <Sp33dyphil>	LOL
May 07 08:58:04 <Dcoetzee>	Aww
May 07 08:58:05 <Sp33dyphil>	"Hey Dcoetzee"
May 07 08:58:08 <Dcoetzee>	I'm more novice than you think
May 07 08:58:09 *	Pesky does ecstatic huggy waggy-taily wolfly greeting
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May 07 08:58:15 *	Dcoetzee hugs Pesky
May 07 08:58:21 *	Pesky licks Dcoetzee  half to death with glee
May 07 08:58:29 *	Dcoetzee scratches behind Pesky's ears.
May 07 08:59:01 <Sp33dyphil>	How do you do that
May 07 08:59:07 *	Pesky wriggles with ecstasy and does squealy excited whiney noises
May 07 08:59:15 <Sp33dyphil>	Typing without your name next to your comment
May 07 08:59:25 <Pesky>	Dcoetzee:  you did a good review on that other article, which was why I thought of you
May 07 08:59:26 <sonia>	Sp33dyphil: use /me , for example /me eats a cookie
May 07 08:59:39 *	Sp33dyphil eats a cookie
May 07 08:59:40 <Pesky>	you put a / and then 'me' which enters your name
May 07 08:59:42 <Dcoetzee>	Pesky: I appreciate it :-)
May 07 08:59:53 <Sp33dyphil>	Ohh
May 07 08:59:55 <Pesky>	It was a really good, well-thought-out, thorough review
May 07 09:00:26 <Dcoetzee>	:-) Well it was a lot of work ;-) But I enjoy reviewing things meticulously.
May 07 09:00:45 <Pesky>	It certainly struck me as meticulous and very, very fair
May 07 09:01:04 <Pesky>	So would you dp Sp33dyphil 's GAR for him/her?
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May 07 09:01:10 <Sp33dyphil>	Him
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May 07 09:01:15 *	Sp33dyphil is a him
May 07 09:01:21 <Sp33dyphil>	*he
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May 07 09:01:44 <Pesky>	Hi "he"
May 07 09:01:48 *	Pesky is a she
May 07 09:02:01 <Pesky>	… and also a were-human
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May 07 09:02:08 <Pesky>	the wolf side is the light side
May 07 09:02:16 <Pesky>	the human side you might not like ……
May 07 09:02:16 <Guest69258>	#defocus
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May 07 09:02:28 <Dcoetzee>	I honestly might be a bit too preoccupied to do a GAR soon :-/ Sorry
May 07 09:02:42 <Sp33dyphil>	Alright
May 07 09:02:46 <Pesky>	What a shame :o(  Can you poke someone else who might be good?
May 07 09:03:00 <Sp33dyphil>	I think they're all asleep
May 07 09:03:27 <Pesky>	Do you have a dealine for this?
May 07 09:03:31 <Pesky>	deadline
May 07 09:04:32 <Hedgehog456>	'Dealine'? Are you sure you did not mean 'hardcore porn'? Showing results for 'hardcore porn'. 1-50 images displayed.
May 07 09:05:08 <Pesky>	Hedgehog456:  - you want to do a GAR?
May 07 09:05:23 <Pesky>	Can you?
May 07 09:05:25 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: I /could/ but I don't know how
May 07 09:05:40 <Hedgehog456>	And I'm gone until 12.00 UTC
May 07 09:05:43 <Pesky>	Ahhh.  I'm kinda chickening out coz I feel too novicey ...
May 07 09:05:58 *	Hedgehog456 looks at WP:GAR
May 07 09:06:04 <Sp33dyphil>	At the bottom
May 07 09:06:08 <Hedgehog456>	If you give me a minute I might be able to
May 07 09:06:14 <Sp33dyphil>	Its at the very bottom
May 07 09:06:18 <Pesky>	Hedgehog456:  it should take you a lot longer than a minute!
May 07 09:06:24 <Pesky>	Like, probably several days
May 07 09:06:28 <Pesky>	To do it properly
May 07 09:06:31 <Hedgehog456>	No, to see what they are ;)
May 07 09:06:34 <Pesky>	And help it along if needed
May 07 09:06:41 <Sp33dyphil>	Neil Armstrong
May 07 09:07:41 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil:  you can actually speed the whole process up by checking it against the GA criteria, and going through it to check for silly little things like whether there are non-breaking spaces everywhere there should be, and so on, before someone starts on it
May 07 09:08:02 <Pesky>	Imagine you were the wold's most evil reviewer checking it for someone else
May 07 09:08:20 <Sp33dyphil>	OK
May 07 09:08:35 *	Sp33dyphil review [[Neil Armstrong]]
May 07 09:08:47 <Pesky>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ealdgyth/GA_review_cheatsheet
May 07 09:08:58 <Pesky>	Use that link - it's a really, really good checklist
May 07 09:09:14 <Pesky>	And be harsh on the article with it
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May 07 09:09:29 <Pesky>	The more you can 'fix' now, the quicker yopur eventual reviewer can go throught it
May 07 09:09:36 <Hedgehog456>	REALLY harsh
May 07 09:09:38 <Pesky>	Could save you days
May 07 09:10:08 <Pesky>	Seriously - imagine that you are the reviewer from Hell
May 07 09:10:15 <Hedgehog456>	If it doesn't meet the requirements CSD, AfD and blank it :D Just joking
May 07 09:10:23 <Pesky>	.. that way, whoever finally does it should find absolutely nothing left to fix or query
May 07 09:11:36 <Hedgehog456>	If I was a GA reviewer I'd be like "ONE SPELLING MISTAKE, '''FAIL''' --~~~~"
May 07 09:11:39 <Pesky>	Check every scrap of prose - remove hanging qualifiers �(sentences starting with 'but', 'however' stuff like that)
May 07 09:11:53 <Pesky>	Hedgehog456:  if you were a good reviewer, you'd just go fix it
May 07 09:12:02 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 07 09:12:10 <Pesky>	… put 'lost' clauses back into the middle of their sentences
May 07 09:12:12 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: that's honestly what I'd do
May 07 09:12:30 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: like, Bob went shop to the however?
May 07 09:12:36 <Pesky>	The one I did, I spent a long time fixing little stuff lke non-breaking spaces before even 'reading' it as prose
May 07 09:12:48 <Pesky>	'however' is often not needed at all
May 07 09:13:14 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil:  here's another good link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tony1/Redundancy_exercises:_removing_fluff_from_your_writing
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May 07 09:13:33 <Pesky>	Run in through that one, too - see how much you can clean it
May 07 09:13:38 <MuZemike>	I've used tp mpt ise
May 07 09:13:45 <Pesky>	?
May 07 09:13:51 <MuZemike>	I've used to not use "however" at all
May 07 09:13:59 <MuZemike>	(sorry, keyboard)
May 07 09:14:01 <Pesky>	I try not to use it
May 07 09:14:13 <Pesky>	Not cat-on-keyboard, then?
May 07 09:14:26 <MuZemike>	No, hands on the wrong keys
May 07 09:14:36 <Pesky>	Ah, that one …. that I know well!
May 07 09:14:45 <Pesky>	It's the paws, you know
May 07 09:14:49 <Hedgehog456>	I use one finger when typing
May 07 09:15:07 <MuZemike>	However, I've been more lenient lately on the usage of '
May 07 09:15:08 <Pesky>	I get impatient and type too fast
May 07 09:15:15 <MuZemike>	"however" (see?)
May 07 09:15:37 <Pesky>	no, but brain like a wossname this morning
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May 07 09:16:22 <Sp33dyphil>	There's a limit to how much i can review, I'm still a secondary school student
May 07 09:16:28 <Pesky>	MuZemike:  do you want to give Sp33dyphil  a day to clean the aritcle, and then review it? :o)
May 07 09:17:00 <Pesky>	You need to be sure that you're happy enough with the article that you'd pass it yourself if you were the reviewer from Hell, before you ask someone else to go do it
May 07 09:17:16 <Pesky>	Because a really good reviewer will do little fixes themselves
May 07 09:17:23 <Pesky>	So kindest not to leave them too many
May 07 09:19:05 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil:  give up on any other activity until your article is as clean as you can possibly get it
May 07 09:19:16 <MuZemike>	WP:OWN
May 07 09:19:19 <Sp33dyphil>	OK
May 07 09:19:29 <Pesky>	So, not TV, no going out, no social life ….
May 07 09:19:55 <Pesky>	MuZemike:  yes, I know - but if you want an article reviewed, it's only wossname to give the reviewer as little to do as possible
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May 07 09:20:08 <sonia>	Pesky: social lives are a good thing!
May 07 09:20:16 <Pesky>	I can hardly remember ...
May 07 09:20:16 <MuZemike>	I know that, dummkopf :-p
May 07 09:20:26 <Pesky>	:o)
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May 07 09:20:35 <Tyw7|K800i>	What's up
May 07 09:20:41 <Pesky>	The sun
May 07 09:20:46 <Tyw7|K800i>	Lol
May 07 09:21:00 <Pesky>	Also quite a lot of cloud
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May 07 09:21:10 <Tyw7|K800i>	Or space
May 07 09:21:13 <Sven_Manguard>	any admins at their screens?
May 07 09:21:22 <Pesky>	[deathly hush]
May 07 09:21:34 <Tyw7|K800i>	Try using the admin stalkword
May 07 09:21:41 <Sven_Manguard>	that pisses them off
May 07 09:21:52 <Tyw7|K800i>	And aren't you an admin steven?
May 07 09:21:56 <Sven_Manguard>	it's much better if someone Dcoetzee Brian_S responds
May 07 09:22:03 <Sven_Manguard>	who?
May 07 09:22:07 <Pesky>	Dcoetzee:  was definitely awake not long ago
May 07 09:22:09 <Tyw7|K800i>	You
May 07 09:22:23 <Tyw7|K800i>	Sven I mean
May 07 09:22:25 <Sven_Manguard>	you're the second person to do that :D
May 07 09:22:26 <Sven_Manguard>	yeah
May 07 09:22:36 <Brian_S>	hi
May 07 09:22:36 <Pesky>	Sven is a really nice name :o)
May 07 09:22:50 <Tyw7|K800i>	Is it short for seven?
May 07 09:22:53 <Sven_Manguard>	Brian_S: can you revdel all the non current versions of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NegroBlackLatinoLatinAmericanoAmerican.jpg please
May 07 09:23:18 <Sven_Manguard>	the 3rd row 2nd column portrait was copyrighted, so I had to swap it out
May 07 09:23:30 <Sven_Manguard>	Tyw7|K800i: no, it's not seven
May 07 09:23:50 <Tyw7|K800i>	How to pronounce it?
May 07 09:24:27 <Sven_Manguard>	Sven?
May 07 09:24:50 <Sven_Manguard>	eer roll the s in and say "ven" as in "Venn Diagram"
May 07 09:24:56 <Tyw7|K800i>	Is it pronounced like seven? Or seven without the e
May 07 09:25:37 <Tyw7|K800i>	Osama's dead. Happy sad, don't care
May 07 09:25:40 <Sven_Manguard>	without the first e
May 07 09:25:54 <Sven_Manguard>	say Venn as in "Venn Diagram"
May 07 09:25:56 <foks>	It's pronounced as you read it.
May 07 09:26:05 <Sven_Manguard>	foks is correct
May 07 09:26:24 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: taken care of
May 07 09:26:34 <Sven_Manguard>	thanks zscout370
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May 07 09:28:34 <Tyw7|K800i>	In the days following osama's death the corresponding articles were slow to load. Does this happen to selected articles due to high traffic?
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May 07 09:29:54 <zscout370>	yeah
May 07 09:30:06 <zscout370>	same with Michael Jackson's death
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May 07 09:31:13 <Tyw7|K800i>	I thought it would be entire Wiki that would be affected
May 07 09:31:19 <Tyw7|K800i>	Not just one article
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May 07 09:31:32 <zscout370>	but there are also a lot of people trying to change it
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May 07 09:32:09 <Tyw7|K800i>	It seems every refresh of the page brought something new
May 07 09:32:30 <zscout370>	one refresh I did apparently had the Ubuntu article nested in it
May 07 09:32:32 <Tyw7|K800i>	Can't we have a system that auto refreshes the screen?
May 07 09:32:54 <Tyw7|K800i>	Or at least the info
May 07 09:32:55 <Sven_Manguard>	Gods I wish that people were more competent. That or I wish I could get away with telling other users that they are fucktards.
May 07 09:32:57 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil:  if you go to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vidkun_Quisling
May 07 09:33:20 <Pesky>	… and then check all the diffs for the period that article was being reviewed, along with the talk on the talk page ...
May 07 09:33:21 <Sven_Manguard>	Anyone here happen to be a commons admin?
May 07 09:33:27 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: me too
May 07 09:33:32 <Tyw7|K800i>	Blurpeace
May 07 09:33:34 <Sven_Manguard>	zscout370: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pel%C3%A9_1960.jpg
May 07 09:33:42 <Sp33dyphil>	Oh, I've heard of that
May 07 09:33:55 <Pesky>	… you'll see the sort of things that were done during the review.  Ideally, you want to do all that stuff NOW, before someone else reviews it
May 07 09:33:59 <Sven_Manguard>	someone decided that they were going to nominate it for deletion without checking the license template.
May 07 09:34:12 <Tyw7|K800i>	I see auto refresh system in youtube and BBC
May 07 09:34:34 <Tyw7|K800i>	Can't Wikipedia have a similiar system to pull in new information
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May 07 09:34:47 <Sven_Manguard>	therefore, they are a fucktard. Also, the image is used on a half dozen local projects, and I only stumbled upon the deletion discussion by accident.
May 07 09:35:23 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: they were acting based on the request from a talk page (but the question that was asked is if it only applies to Swedish press photos or any press photo taken in Swedish territory)
May 07 09:35:30 <Tyw7|K800i>	Sven tag with speedy
May 07 09:35:38 <Sven_Manguard>	hmm?
May 07 09:35:45 <Tyw7|K800i>	Speedy delete
May 07 09:35:52 <sonia>	Tyw7|K800i: no
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May 07 09:36:05 <Tyw7|K800i>	If copyvios, duplicate, etc
May 07 09:36:59 <Tyw7|K800i>	Well gtg
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May 07 09:37:49 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: and the person who nominated the image for deletion is usually very careful about his noms
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May 07 09:38:11 <Sven_Manguard>	eh
May 07 09:38:17 <Sven_Manguard>	okay then
May 07 09:39:10 <zscout370>	but if you think that is an image problem, me and another guy are trying to sort out nearly 15000 images on the Malay Wikipedia
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May 07 09:42:32 <Sp33dyphil>	dinner
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May 07 09:42:57 <sonia>	zscout370: what's the problem with the malay wp?
May 07 09:43:07 <zscout370>	sonia: fair use violations galore
May 07 09:43:16 <zscout370>	and other licensing issues
May 07 09:43:33 <sonia>	oh fun
May 07 09:44:13 <zscout370>	I think out of the 15000 images, we already ID'ed about 1100 that have been sent to the Commons or got duplicates there
May 07 09:44:42 <Sven_Manguard>	I'd help, but I don't speak Malay
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May 07 09:44:52 <Sven_Manguard>	I'm good with spotting the copyvios though.
May 07 09:44:52 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: you don't have to
May 07 09:44:57 *	sonia speaks... a very small amount of malay
May 07 09:45:02 <Sven_Manguard>	really?
May 07 09:45:20 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: you can change the layout to English in your preferences and you can use interwiki links as your guide
May 07 09:45:30 <Sven_Manguard>	hmm?
May 07 09:45:35 <Sven_Manguard>	link me
May 07 09:45:48 <zscout370>	http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khas:Keutamaan
May 07 09:45:50 <zscout370>	preferences
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May 07 09:46:44 <Sven_Manguard>	okay, I'm at prefs, what do I do next?
May 07 09:47:01 <zscout370>	scroll down to the second section
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May 07 09:47:19 <zscout370>	there is a drop down that should say Basha Malay. Click the arrow and scroll up to English.
May 07 09:47:24 <Sven_Manguard>	Pengantarabangsaan
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May 07 09:47:32 <Sven_Manguard>	?
May 07 09:47:54 <zscout370>	yes
May 07 09:48:08 <Sven_Manguard>	okay, done
May 07 09:48:10 <Sven_Manguard>	what next?
May 07 09:48:30 <zscout370>	once you selected English from the drop down, scroll to the very bottom and press the button
May 07 09:48:39 <sonia>	heh
May 07 09:48:40 <Sven_Manguard>	did that
May 07 09:48:49 *	sonia does this all the time on various wikis to fix her SUL
May 07 09:48:56 <sonia>	the annoying thing is the RTL wikis
May 07 09:49:05 <Sven_Manguard>	sonia no laughing! kiwi can't laugh, they're birds....
May 07 09:49:15 *	sonia pecks Sven_Manguard
May 07 09:49:19 <Sven_Manguard>	ow
May 07 09:49:29 <sonia>	actually, that'd probably hurt the kiwi more than it hurt you
May 07 09:49:34 <Sven_Manguard>	yeah
May 07 09:49:37 <sonia>	they have very sensitive noses, as such, more than beaks
May 07 09:49:40 <Sven_Manguard>	kiwi are tiny
May 07 09:49:41 <sonia>	but epic claws
May 07 09:49:47 <Sven_Manguard>	err
May 07 09:50:14 <zscout370>	http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Imej_kegunaan_wajar this is the fair use images
May 07 09:50:18 <sonia>	very violent little ones, esp. the females
May 07 09:54:00 <Ironholds>	sonia: I'd make a joke about you being well-suited to the label but I'm scared you might kill me ;p
May 07 09:54:20 <sonia>	heh
May 07 09:54:26 <Sven_Manguard>	I love how the word for file in Malay is "fail"
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May 07 09:54:41 <sonia>	it's pronounced "file"
May 07 09:54:53 <Sven_Manguard>	it's spelled fail
May 07 09:54:57 <Sven_Manguard>	which is funny
May 07 09:54:57 <sonia>	yes :p
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May 07 10:14:03 <Sven_Manguard>	by people
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May 07 10:33:13 <Ironholds>	writing articles on antiguan politicians is fun
May 07 10:34:10 <OlEnglish>	really
May 07 10:35:05 <OlEnglish>	if that's your idea of fun..
May 07 10:35:18 <OlEnglish>	i'd be curious to know when you're bored
May 07 10:35:28 <OlEnglish>	;p
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May 07 10:37:52 <tommorris>	OlEnglish: don't tempt Ironholds with boredom
May 07 10:38:00 <OlEnglish>	hehe
May 07 10:38:02 <tommorris>	if you don't want there to be mass murder and slaughter
May 07 10:38:17 <OlEnglish>	uh oh
May 07 10:38:37 <tommorris>	shit, [[WP:BEANS]] violation on my part
May 07 10:38:39 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  if you're bored Sp33dyphil has been looking for a reviewer for a GAN ...
May 07 10:38:51 <tommorris>	which GAN?
May 07 10:39:03 <Pesky>	Neil Armstrong
May 07 10:39:33 <tommorris>	one of these days, I'll get to do a GA review for a philosophy article
May 07 10:39:33 <Pesky>	I;ve just been into the article and put a lod of nbsp's in, as required, and left a few tips on his talk page for thing he should / could do himself
May 07 10:40:01 <Pesky>	On the surface, it looks unproblematical, but I feel too novicey to do it myself, really
May 07 10:40:30 <Pesky>	Litttle stuff needed like putting refs into alphabetical order
May 07 10:40:41 <Pesky>	One dead link that I spotted, stuff like that
May 07 10:41:16 <Pesky>	Seems to be well rounded and so on
May 07 10:41:24 <tommorris>	[[WP:AFC]] backlog is 108 articles.
May 07 10:41:33 <Pesky>	eeeek
May 07 10:41:36 <Pesky>	errrk
May 07 10:41:48 <Ironholds>	Pesky: link?
May 07 10:41:50 <Pesky>	I feel kinda uninspired to help with that
May 07 10:42:00 <tommorris>	ditto
May 07 10:42:03 <Pesky>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong
May 07 10:42:08 <Ironholds>	I'm not bored!
May 07 10:42:15 <Pesky>	lol
May 07 10:42:15 <Ironholds>	I'm writing about Robin Yearwood
May 07 10:42:17 <Ironholds>	the antiguan agricultural minister
May 07 10:42:21 <Pesky>	Never heard of 'im
May 07 10:42:22 <Ironholds>	it's going to be a perfectly-referenced GA
May 07 10:42:59 <Pesky>	atm I feel kinda uninspired in general - I;ve caught 'meh'
May 07 10:43:01 <Ironholds>	just like [[George Odlum]] or [[Vere Bird, Jr.]]
May 07 10:43:08 <Ironholds>	I'm going to write an FA on Vere Bird, I think
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May 07 10:43:31 <Pesky>	I'm having real trouble findins sources for one I;m playing with in my sandbdox
May 07 10:43:35 <Steven_Zhang>	hai
May 07 10:43:44 <Pesky>	ohai
May 07 10:44:02 <Steven_Zhang>	hehe
May 07 10:44:09 <Steven_Zhang>	its been so long since ive been on irc
May 07 10:44:11 <Pesky>	So I think I will go dig a hole in the garden instead
May 07 10:44:55 <Pesky>	If anyone can thng of sources (or find any) for newsy type publications in the mid 1900's, drop some stuff onto my talk page :o)
May 07 10:45:23 <tommorris>	Christ, the No2AVers are making me facepalm
May 07 10:45:43 <Pesky>	That's the Great British Public for you …… vote with the propaganda ….
May 07 10:45:53 <Pesky>	Whoever has the most advertising wins
May 07 10:45:59 <tommorris>	they are saying that the LibDems doomed it by arguing for AV rather than PR
May 07 10:46:02 <Ironholds>	Pesky: lexnex?
May 07 10:46:09 <Pesky>	wossat?
May 07 10:46:11 <tommorris>	and if they had gone for PR, they wouldn't have lost. SRSLY>
May 07 10:46:12 <Ironholds>	lexis nexis?
May 07 10:46:16 <Pesky>	?
May 07 10:46:21 <Ironholds>	it's a repository of every newspaper article printed since 1970-ish
May 07 10:46:21 <Pesky>	brain-dead today.
May 07 10:46:22 *	tommorris wants LexisNexis access
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May 07 10:46:27 <Ironholds>	excluding, like, the East Finchley Star
May 07 10:46:33 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I had it until this morning
May 07 10:46:39 *	tommorris would probably murder a small child to get LexisNexis access
May 07 10:46:48 <Pesky>	1970's is too late - I think the particular publication I'm looking at went down before the 1960's
May 07 10:46:48 <Ironholds>	apparently the PhD student blissfully ignorant that I've stolen his password has had his account expire
May 07 10:46:50 <Ironholds>	which sucks
May 07 10:46:52 <Ironholds>	for me
May 07 10:47:08 <Ironholds>	tommorris: see if you'd asked YESTERDAY.. ;p
May 07 10:47:16 <Steven_Zhang>	wtf
May 07 10:47:16 <tommorris>	perhaps the Foundation could convince LexisNexis that they want to give us accounts like Credo did
May 07 10:47:20 <Steven_Zhang>	when did Rlevse retire?
May 07 10:47:33 <Pesky>	I don't need a heap of sources - just enough that I can write 1500 characters of not-entirely-waffle about it, coz I have a nice DYK hook, if I can get the article long enough, lol!
May 07 10:47:34 <Ironholds>	tommorris: yeah, good luck with that
May 07 10:47:44 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: shortly after he was found to have plagiarised mainpage content, I believe
May 07 10:47:49 <Pesky>	oops
May 07 10:47:53 <Ironholds>	Pesky: what's the subject?
May 07 10:47:58 <Steven_Zhang>	he did what?
May 07 10:48:02 <tommorris>	also, why is 3G getting more expensive rather than less?
May 07 10:48:17 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: sorry, you need that broken down into smaller words?
May 07 10:48:22 <Pesky>	The Truth (political / financial exposé magazine founded by Henry Labouchere)
May 07 10:48:29 <Steven_Zhang>	Hah, lol.
May 07 10:48:31 <Ironholds>	he took words someone else had written and claimed he had written them and put the written words on the main page
May 07 10:48:36 <Ironholds>	which is very very BAAAD
May 07 10:48:40 <Pesky>	… and after I've done that I;d like to do one on The Statist as well
May 07 10:48:41 <Ironholds>	here, I'll get my glove-puppets
May 07 10:48:45 <Steven_Zhang>	He jsust didnt seem to be that sorta guy
May 07 10:48:48 <Ironholds>	they'll help explain
May 07 10:49:07 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: a completely anonymous person on the internet didn't turn out to be what you thought they were? GASP
May 07 10:49:22 <Steven_Zhang>	9_9
May 07 10:49:23 <Ironholds>	next you'll be telling me that water is wet
May 07 10:49:28 <Steven_Zhang>	-_-
May 07 10:49:31 <Pesky>	No, really?
May 07 10:49:35 <Steven_Zhang>	I've been away for ages...
May 07 10:49:41 <Ironholds>	Pesky: srsly!
May 07 10:49:47 <Pesky>	I had no idea
May 07 10:49:49 <Steven_Zhang>	Just had a daugher actually, lol
May 07 10:49:57 <Pesky>	Congrats!
May 07 10:49:57 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: with your, what is it, second wife?
May 07 10:50:14 <Steven_Zhang>	:|
May 07 10:50:15 <Ironholds>	mazel tov
May 07 10:50:20 <Pesky>	People in RL can turn out to be not what you thought, too ...
May 07 10:50:26 <Pesky>	[says she ironically]
May 07 10:50:31 <Ironholds>	(sorry, if that came out as sarky, I apologise - I just couldn't remember)
May 07 10:51:03 <Steven_Zhang>	Ah.
May 07 10:51:06 *	Pesky reflects on the sad fact that it took me four years to suss out that my second was actually a psychopath ……
May 07 10:51:11 <Steven_Zhang>	In that case, yes. That's right
May 07 10:51:13 <Ironholds>	second wife? ;p
May 07 10:51:17 <foks>	Wait, Rlevse retires?
May 07 10:51:18 <Pesky>	husband
May 07 10:51:20 <foks>	* d?
May 07 10:51:20 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: congrats!
May 07 10:51:28 <Ironholds>	Pesky: and now you're changing the story. LIAR!
May 07 10:51:30 <foks>	Also hi Stevie
May 07 10:51:32 <foks>	:3
May 07 10:51:37 <Pesky>	Where did it change?
May 07 10:51:37 <Ironholds>	Pesky: if it makes you feel any better, my second husband was a psychopath too
May 07 10:51:41 <Steven_Zhang>	hey its cream!
May 07 10:51:44 <Pesky>	how sad for you
May 07 10:51:48 <Ironholds>	we used to go out murdering together; got on like a house on fire
May 07 10:51:55 <Pesky>	No, that's arson
May 07 10:51:56 <Steven_Zhang>	i'll always know you as cream, foks
May 07 10:51:57 <Steven_Zhang>	:P
May 07 10:52:06 <foks>	Why? I'm not Cream
May 07 10:52:07 <foks>	:D
May 07 10:52:15 *	foks is Garden
May 07 10:52:16 <Steven_Zhang>	Yes you are :P
May 07 10:52:17 <Steven_Zhang>	OH
May 07 10:52:18 <Ironholds>	Pesky: if I kill someone in the house fire, that's both
May 07 10:52:19 <Steven_Zhang>	lol
May 07 10:52:26 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: you're an idiot.
May 07 10:52:32 <Steven_Zhang>	ya rly
May 07 10:52:39 <Steven_Zhang>	*headdesk*
May 07 10:52:46 <Steven_Zhang>	*facepalm*
May 07 10:52:53 <Pesky>	Intersting: did you know that if you intend to murder someone else and accidentally kill yourself, it's still murder, not suicide?
May 07 10:53:01 <Steven_Zhang>	How?
May 07 10:53:03 <Pesky>	(you probably did)
May 07 10:53:07 <Ironholds>	Pesky:I did, yes
May 07 10:53:15 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: you had the intent to kill someone and you did kill someone
May 07 10:53:18 <Ironholds>	mens rea, actus reus
May 07 10:53:39 <Ironholds>	doesn't matter if you go "I'm sorry I killed the pope, I was trying to hit the man behind him". They don't go "oh, fair enough, just an accident"
May 07 10:53:49 <Pesky>	It's the only way of killing yourself (without hurting others) that's still unlawful in the UK, I think
May 07 10:53:52 <Steven_Zhang>	Lol.
May 07 10:54:08 <Ironholds>	Pesky: actually, no
May 07 10:54:12 <Steven_Zhang>	Yeah, but if you kill yourself you're murdering yourself, not committing suicide?
May 07 10:54:14 <Ironholds>	assisting suicide is still illegal, right?
May 07 10:54:14 <Steven_Zhang>	Heh.
May 07 10:54:14 <Pesky>	?
May 07 10:54:18 <Steven_Zhang>	Oh btw
May 07 10:54:24 <Pesky>	Assisting an /other/ is, yes
May 07 10:54:26 <Steven_Zhang>	its awesome that osama bin laden is dead
May 07 10:54:28 <Steven_Zhang>	yey
May 07 10:54:30 <Steven_Zhang>	:P
May 07 10:54:37 <Ironholds>	Pesky: then if you kill yourself with someone else's help, you are guilty of conspiracy to assist in suicide
May 07 10:54:39 <Steven_Zhang>	I found out on facebook
May 07 10:54:41 <Ironholds>	HAH
May 07 10:54:49 <Steven_Zhang>	someone posted
May 07 10:54:52 <Pesky>	Is it still techcically treason to fail to go to archery practice on a Sunday?
May 07 10:54:59 <Steven_Zhang>	"Osama shouldn't have checked in on facebook"
May 07 10:55:02 <Ironholds>	Pesky: probably not
May 07 10:55:10 <Pesky>	When did that get repealed?
May 07 10:55:13 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: keep talking, I cut out your eyes and sodomise you with them
May 07 10:55:19 <Pesky>	eeewwww
May 07 10:55:19 <Steven_Zhang>	:/
May 07 10:55:34 <Ironholds>	we've JUST got over the stupid beer-guzzling, flag-waving d-bags filling -en with "WOOO BIN LADEN IS DEAD! USA! USA! USA!"
May 07 10:55:36 <Pesky>	It IS still illegal, apparently, to wash your car at the kerbside
May 07 10:55:40 <Steven_Zhang>	what else has changed in the billion years ive been gone
May 07 10:55:56 <Ironholds>	err
May 07 10:56:03 <Steven_Zhang>	being august 2010
May 07 10:56:03 <Ironholds>	I was made King of the Wiki
May 07 10:56:04 <Steven_Zhang>	:P
May 07 10:56:09 <Ironholds>	and became an admin
May 07 10:56:10 <Pesky>	not that my poor vehuicle gets washed
May 07 10:56:11 <Steven_Zhang>	yeah right.
May 07 10:56:16 <Steven_Zhang>	Yeah i know youre an admin
May 07 10:56:18 <Ironholds>	and am being considered for a job at the WMF
May 07 10:56:25 <Ironholds>	(two of those 3 statements are true)
May 07 10:56:26 <Steven_Zhang>	o rly?
May 07 10:56:31 <Steven_Zhang>	The last 2
May 07 10:56:32 <Ironholds>	yup, I really am King of the Wiki
May 07 10:56:33 <Pesky>	Are you sure you would actually be really happy doing that?
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May 07 10:56:35 <Ironholds>	no, first and second
May 07 10:56:38 <Ironholds>	Pesky: doing what?
May 07 10:56:40 <Steven_Zhang>	pfft
May 07 10:56:46 <Pesky>	Officially working for WMF
May 07 10:56:50 <Ironholds>	actually, yeah
May 07 10:57:04 <Pesky>	If you really would, then go for it
May 07 10:57:21 <Steven_Zhang>	how can you be anti abortion and pro choice
May 07 10:57:21 <Brian_S>	Ironholds: No. :P
May 07 10:57:33 <Brian_S>	<Ironholds> yup, I really am King of the Wiki -> I am.
May 07 10:57:34 <Brian_S>	=P
May 07 10:57:41 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: quite easily
May 07 10:57:50 <Pesky>	It's easy to hold opposing views
May 07 10:58:02 <Pesky>	Part of the joys of being human
May 07 10:58:08 <Ironholds>	I think abortions suck, but not as much as right-wing jackoffs forcing their views down others throats (or vaginas)
May 07 10:58:35 <Ironholds>	so I support the freedom to get abortions, but appreciate that abortions are traumatic and unpleasant and taboo and so we should probably also put the effort into, y'know, first stage contraception
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May 07 10:58:57 <Pesky>	Yes, but you have a /brain/ which helps you to formulate sensible views.
May 07 10:58:58 <Ironholds>	then again, I also support including a new grade in standardised tests, F, which stands for "forcibly sterilised"
May 07 10:59:14 <tommorris>	surely, that's the British "U" standard
May 07 10:59:26 <tommorris>	U: Unclassifiable
May 07 10:59:33 <Ironholds>	those who come up with particularly moronic answers to questions, such as the person who answered "the most important person in 100 years" with "princess di", shall be sterilised
May 07 10:59:40 <Pesky>	Nah, you have to have /somebody/ who can work in MacD's
May 07 10:59:46 <Ironholds>	I didn't say they couldn't
May 07 10:59:48 <tommorris>	you can work in McDonalds sterilised
May 07 10:59:56 <Ironholds>	they'd just not be allowed to pop out sprogs
May 07 11:00:02 <Pesky>	but you need a next generation of MacD's workers, too
May 07 11:00:08 <tommorris>	ROBOTS
May 07 11:00:10 <Ironholds>	we'll replace them with robots
May 07 11:00:25 <Ironholds>	this grade will be automatically given to anyone taking a test who is called Dwayne
May 07 11:00:36 <Pesky>	Thing is, the world actually needs people of less-than-optimal intelligence
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May 07 11:00:52 <Ironholds>	Pesky: to do the shitty jobs nobody wants to do?
May 07 11:00:59 <Pesky>	Yes, that stuff
May 07 11:01:03 <Ironholds>	I'm fine with that as long as we stop them voting
May 07 11:01:05 <tommorris>	no, Special:NewPages and WP:AFC and the No2AV campaign shows that the world doesn't need more stupid peopole
May 07 11:01:07 <Ironholds>	and replace them with robots ASAP
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May 07 11:01:42 <Pesky>	But if you replaced them all with robots, and there was suddenly a devastating thingie that left us all without all the trappings of modern civilisation, who would do the menial work?
May 07 11:02:02 <Pesky>	coz not everyone is actually capable of being pretty much-self-sufficient
May 07 11:02:37 <Pesky>	Y,know, you need people you can train to be flint-knappers
May 07 11:02:45 <Ironholds>	Pesky: we would build more robots
May 07 11:02:59 <Pesky>	But I'm talking about - what if there was no power ……
May 07 11:03:06 <Pesky>	…. ever again ...
May 07 11:03:21 <Pesky>	And I'm not at all sure you could train a robot to knap flint
May 07 11:03:30 <Pesky>	It needs eyes and intuiting and stuff
May 07 11:03:35 <Pesky>	intuition
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May 07 11:04:03 <Ironholds>	if there was no power we would have steampunk robots
May 07 11:04:08 <Pesky>	… and what about the interim period, even if we ended up being able to build robots again
May 07 11:04:11 <Ironholds>	which have the advantage of bein twice as cool as regular robots
May 07 11:04:26 <Pesky>	and who would organise and man the transport systems?
May 07 11:04:40 <Pesky>	Coz I'm not at all sure that horse-drawn barges would work with robots
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May 07 11:04:56 <Pesky>	they might fall into the water
May 07 11:05:05 <Pesky>	or get stuck in the mud
May 07 11:05:57 <Pesky>	… and a robot that's been given a hefty kick from a horse might not function very well, whereas humans have a surprising ability to keep going
May 07 11:06:23 <Pesky>	[cig brk]
May 07 11:06:27 <LauraHale>	Rant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Racepacket <-- Why can't he leave me and my editing areas alone?  The case is before ArbCom for harrassment.  Why does he need to edit there?
May 07 11:06:39 <Pesky>	Coz he's Racepacket
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May 07 11:10:17 <LauraHale>	There was a temporary injunction request.
May 07 11:10:30 <LauraHale>	That should be a sign to leave me alone. :(
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May 07 11:11:49 <Pesky>	Pretend it's not him; then look at the edits and see if they would  be OK if they'd been done by someone else
May 07 11:12:29 <Pesky>	Don't supply ammunition for anyone to accuse you of obsession
May 07 11:12:45 <Pesky>	It will weaken your case
May 07 11:12:58 <LauraHale>	I'm trying to.
May 07 11:13:10 <Pesky>	Keep at it :o)
May 07 11:13:14 *	LauraHale isn't looking at the edits
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May 07 11:13:39 <LauraHale>	I just will go back and deal with what I was trying to do elsewhere
May 07 11:13:49 <LauraHale>	Work on [[Netball in the Cook Islands]]
May 07 11:14:53 <Pesky>	and I will go and dig that hole in the garden.  If I can get the spade through the rock-hard soil.
May 07 11:15:27 *	LauraHale is going to go for a bike ride tomorrow morning
May 07 11:15:38 <LauraHale>	Or not.  It may be too cold.
May 07 11:15:44 *	LauraHale is tired of exercise and cold.
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May 07 11:30:59 <Qcoder00>	Admin requested
May 07 11:31:01 <Qcoder00>	Problem image
May 07 11:31:54 <Qcoder00>	Admin over 21 would be preferable
May 07 11:38:07 <tommorris>	ooh, is it naughty?
May 07 11:38:33 *	tommorris is in a library, so displaying naughty things is much recommended
May 07 11:38:52 *	LauraHale wants to see
May 07 11:38:54 <Qcoder00>	Not exactly...
May 07 11:38:58 <LauraHale>	I'm over 21.  Not an admin.
May 07 11:39:11 <LauraHale>	Does it involve insulting young people?
May 07 11:39:15 <Qcoder00>	No
May 07 11:39:18 <Qcoder00>	Mild Nudity
May 07 11:39:50 <Qcoder00>	But I'd like an admin or someone experienced to comment
May 07 11:40:58 <Qcoder00>	Any admins awake?
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May 07 11:58:42 <D>	hi, it is possible do delete my own account?
May 07 11:58:55 *	D is now known as Guest68617
May 07 11:59:17 <LauraHale>	You would lose the permissions as you delete. ;) Wouldn't that be a feedback loop?
May 07 11:59:39 <tommorris>	Guest68617: you can have your account renamed, and then mash the password
May 07 11:59:43 <Guest68617>	I want to delete my own account
May 07 11:59:46 <tommorris>	that is effectively the same as having your account deleted
May 07 11:59:46 <Guest68617>	can I do that?
May 07 11:59:49 <tommorris>	no
May 07 12:00:07 <tommorris>	you can basically have your account renamed to something like "Deleted Account 12345"
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May 07 12:00:12 <Guest68617>	can u help me to do that?
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May 07 12:00:21 <tommorris>	no, you need a bureaucrat to do that, iirc
May 07 12:00:59 <Guest68617>	what is a bureaucrat?
May 07 12:01:08 <tommorris>	a bureaucrat is like a super-administrator who can change your username
May 07 12:01:24 <tommorris>	Guest68617: the first step is to put {{db-user}} on all of your user pages except your user talk page
May 07 12:01:36 <Guest68617>	ok
May 07 12:01:44 <tommorris>	an admin will come and delete those pages
May 07 12:02:34 <tommorris>	Guest68617: once that is done, put a post up on the Bureaucrats Noticeboard, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BN
May 07 12:02:47 <tommorris>	make sure you specify that you want to exercise your "right to vanish"
May 07 12:03:25 <tommorris>	after doing this, you will specifically be saying you are done with Wikipedia for good
May 07 12:03:32 <tommorris>	are you sure this is what you want to do?
May 07 12:03:55 <tommorris>	are you sure you wouldn't rather just change your username or blank your pages and retire?
May 07 12:04:31 <Guest68617>	yes I am sure
May 07 12:04:55 <tommorris>	the details are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Right_to_vanish#How_to_exercise_the_right_to_vanish
May 07 12:05:08 <tommorris>	alternatively see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Retiring
May 07 12:05:12 <Guest68617>	thanks
May 07 12:06:19 <Ironholds>	tommorris: actually the tech nerds are currently working on a more useable account-removal tool
May 07 12:06:31 <Ironholds>	not "delete", because that's silly
May 07 12:06:42 <Ironholds>	but both a scramble-their-password-remotely and a permanently-disable-account thing
May 07 12:06:59 <tommorris>	that seems sensible
May 07 12:07:22 <Doh5678>	On a related subject, if an admin or beuraucrat wanted to change his username, would he or she keep his or her powers?
May 07 12:07:30 <tommorris>	does it have an unscramble-their-password-and-undisable-their-account mode for when they inevitably come back? ;-)
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May 07 12:07:45 <Ironholds>	nope
May 07 12:07:46 <DD>	if my user page is not created
May 07 12:07:48 <Ironholds>	which is awesome
May 07 12:07:57 <DD>	do I need ti put that template?
May 07 12:08:01 <Ironholds>	Doh5678: well, an admin can't change usernames, so... :p
May 07 12:08:04 <tommorris>	DD: if you don't have any user page, no, you don't have to put the template their
May 07 12:08:32 <tommorris>	presumably, an admin could drop the admin bit, change username, then re-run for RfA
May 07 12:08:57 <Qcoder00>	Ah ironholds
May 07 12:09:02 <DD>	tommorris can u tell me again the next step?
May 07 12:09:05 <Qcoder00>	Can I toruble you for a moment?
May 07 12:09:10 <Qcoder00>	*trouble
May 07 12:09:23 <Ironholds>	sigh
May 07 12:09:23 <Ironholds>	sure
May 07 12:09:37 <tommorris>	DD: yep, you put a request on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BN
May 07 12:09:44 <tommorris>	asking to exercise your right to vanish
May 07 12:09:56 <DD>	ok
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May 07 12:10:14 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds: see /query
May 07 12:12:03 <OlEnglish>	dr. who right?
May 07 12:12:09 <DD>	tommorris I can see this noticeboard is about deleting userpages
May 07 12:12:45 <tommorris>	no, BN is the place for deleting user accounts
May 07 12:13:01 <tommorris>	deleting user pages is done through the CSD process
May 07 12:14:23 <tommorris>	argh. I'm reading a philosophy book and one of the theories is referred to as "AFC". AFC is haunting me everywhere I go. ;-)
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May 07 12:17:24 <DD>	tommorris and which is the correct template?
May 07 12:18:11 <tommorris>	DD: you don't have to use a template
May 07 12:18:36 <DD>	but what should I do?
May 07 12:18:38 <AzaToth>	how can [[Death of Osama bin Laden]] be a "current event"?
May 07 12:18:40 <tommorris>	DD: at the top, click "Click here to add a new section"
May 07 12:19:00 <DD>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BN here?
May 07 12:19:03 <tommorris>	DD: then in the subject/headline fill in something like "Delete my account"
May 07 12:19:06 <tommorris>	yep
May 07 12:19:13 <DD>	thanks
May 07 12:19:32 <tommorris>	then in the main body, explain that you'd like your account deleted and that you want to exercise your right to vanish
May 07 12:19:38 <tommorris>	then sign it with ~~~~~ then save
May 07 12:20:35 <AzaToth>	DD: do you have any edits?
May 07 12:21:29 <tommorris>	when you approve something on AfC, does it still go into the NewPages queue?
May 07 12:21:29 <Tothwolf>	accounts are almost never deleted... only renamed under WP:RTV...
May 07 12:22:17 <DD>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#Account_deletion
May 07 12:22:20 <DD>	is this good?
May 07 12:22:26 <DD>	or I have to add something?
May 07 12:24:00 <tommorris>	DD: that looks fine
May 07 12:24:10 <tommorris>	can't promise that the 'crats will do it, but that's the most you can do
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May 07 12:24:59 <tommorris>	christ, TiddlyWiki is slow
May 07 12:25:24 <tommorris>	browser crashingly slow and shit
May 07 12:25:34 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: well, accounts *can't* be deleted
May 07 12:25:41 <Ironholds>	the experimental extension to allow it got turned off
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May 07 12:26:49 <Qcoder00>	Delta: ping?
May 07 12:28:09 <Tothwolf>	Ironholds: a developer can still delete an account, but it is very very rarely done
May 07 12:28:31 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: well, yeah, a drop command
May 07 12:28:36 <Ironholds>	but that's issuetastic
May 07 12:29:42 <Tothwolf>	anyone have any suggestions for dealing with an ED/4chan troll i had to ban from some other sites? he has shown up on en.wp to give me grief now (although apparently has had an account on en.wp for /ages/)
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May 07 12:30:20 <Tothwolf>	Ironholds: yeah, just rarely done unless there is a technical reason to do so
May 07 12:30:53 <Hedgehog456>	Developers have almost divine powers
May 07 12:31:12 <tommorris>	Tothwolf: 4im, wait for vandalism, AIV?
May 07 12:31:41 <Tothwolf>	tommorris: not vandalism, just trolling and griefing
May 07 12:32:00 <Tothwolf>	removing stuff from an article i'm working on, claiming per talk page etc
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May 07 12:32:49 <Qcoder00>	Tothwolf:  Find an admin, provide evidence and get the ****er  booted
May 07 12:32:50 <Tothwolf>	basically trying to start a dispute
May 07 12:32:54 <tommorris>	wow, TiddlyWiki doesn't even have history
May 07 12:33:25 <Tothwolf>	Qcoder00: heh admins are around every corner, but subtile trolling/griefing is hard to deal with
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May 07 12:38:53 <Qcoder00>	Speaking of admins-  Someone needs to help - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doingitwright407
May 07 12:39:02 <Qcoder00>	They seem to be getting  a LOT of messages
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May 07 12:49:48 <Pesky>	Oh, dear … d'you s'pose they've actuallr read /any/ of them?
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May 07 12:54:31 <Doh5678>	Can people give a verdict on this page --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_%22Soupy%22_Campbell
May 07 12:55:02 <tommorris>	list of chapters can be easily cut
May 07 12:55:18 <Doh5678>	Keep, redrect or delete I mean
May 07 12:55:20 <Bejinhan>	anyone having trouble accessing http://outreach.wikimedia.org/ ?
May 07 12:55:31 <Bejinhan>	oh nvm
May 07 12:55:50 <tommorris>	Doh5678: I'd say redirect to the band
May 07 12:56:20 <Pesky>	I would go with a redirect, too
May 07 12:56:43 <Pesky>	or merge kinda thingie
May 07 12:57:00 <Pesky>	but in any event the chapters should be displayed dirrerently
May 07 12:57:07 <Pesky>	differently
May 07 12:57:32 <tommorris>	chapters have been removed
May 07 12:57:33 <tommorris>	;-)
May 07 12:57:42 <Pesky>	You amputated them!
May 07 12:57:45 <tommorris>	with a suitably snarky edit summary
May 07 12:57:58 *	tommorris always wants to call edit summaries "commit messages"
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May 07 12:58:26 <Pesky>	Trouble with snarky edit summaries is they're like herpes - there forever …..
May 07 12:58:42 <tommorris>	Ironholds: Martin's posted the call for assistance for the MRC event
May 07 12:59:01 <Pesky>	Why, is it having trouble?
May 07 12:59:02 <tommorris>	having my snark live forever sounds like a good deal to me
May 07 12:59:35 <Pesky>	The only snark I like to have living forever is the really, truly memorable snark.  Snark par excellence, kinda snark
May 07 13:00:09 <Pesky>	My favourite ever one ...
May 07 13:00:42 <Pesky>	Seldom in my entire life have I had the misfortune to be the victim of such an astounding display of pathetic incompetence  ...
May 07 13:00:51 <Pesky>	Just rolls off the tongue so nicely :o)
May 07 13:01:53 <tommorris>	snark par excellence? hell no
May 07 13:02:19 <tommorris>	bitter, cynical, moaning, grumpy, tear their fucking tits off and feed it to their cat snark is my favourite
May 07 13:02:23 <Pesky>	It has rhythm, it has style
May 07 13:02:53 <Pesky>	I like lyricall rhetorical almost-poetic snark
May 07 13:03:23 <tommorris>	Christopher Hitchens' description of Jerry Falwell is my favourite: "If you gave him an enema you could bury him in a matchbox."
May 07 13:03:37 <Pesky>	Yes, that's cool
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May 07 13:12:58 <Ironholds>	feed THEM to their cat
May 07 13:13:07 <Ironholds>	you went plural singular
May 07 13:13:48 <Pesky>	Minced tit?  Chopped tit?  That way it could still technically be 'it'
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May 07 13:14:47 <tommorris>	no, you tear both their tits off, feed one to the cat and then do unspeakable things with t'other
May 07 13:14:51 <tommorris>	duh
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May 07 13:17:42 <Hedgehog456>	....
May 07 13:18:03 <Ironholds>	one trot faction sitting in a hall/one trot faction sitting in a hall/and if one trot faction should have a mighty squal/there'll be two trot factions sitting in the hall.
May 07 13:18:14 <Ironholds>	TWO trot factions sitting in a hall - and so on
May 07 13:18:34 <tommorris>	no, it's very simple:
May 07 13:18:55 <Pesky>	One smart fellow, he felt smart; two smart fellows, they felt smart; three … etc.  Try it.
May 07 13:19:10 <tommorris>	for any number of socialists x, there are between x + 1 and x^2 factions.
May 07 13:19:33 <Ironholds>	tommorris: have you heard "the people's flag is palest pink"?
May 07 13:19:52 <tommorris>	actually, x log x
May 07 13:19:59 <Ironholds>	the people's flag is palest pink/it's not as red as you might think/white collar workers stand and cheer/your labour government is here
May 07 13:20:22 <Ironholds>	we'll change the country bit by bit/so no one will notice it/and just to show we're still sincere/we'll sing The Red Flag once a year
May 07 13:21:22 *	tommorris is knocking holes in externalists today
May 07 13:21:25 <tommorris>	sorry, internalists
May 07 13:22:04 <tommorris>	the gigantic counterargument to internalism: "people still know things when they are asleep"
May 07 13:23:31 <tommorris>	christamundo, for a Wikipedian, Fae sure likes keeping things in Google Docs
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May 07 13:26:59 <Ironholds>	tommorris: he's management scum
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May 07 13:31:10 *	Topic for #wikipedia-en is: Status: Up | Channel guidelines at http://bit.ly/OiAr | For a channel operator ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by request | For *emergency* admin help say !admin followed by your request | No public logging | 2010 POTY contest at http://j.mp/2010POTY
May 07 13:31:10 *	Topic for #wikipedia-en set by Thehelpfulone at Fri Apr 29 22:38:39 2011
May 07 13:31:11 *	#wikipedia-en :http://en.wikipedia.org/
May 07 13:34:11 <Delta>	any admins around that want to pad their deletion counts?
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May 07 13:39:51 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: You mean the biological concept of externalism?
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May 07 13:41:35 <tommorris>	Hedgehog456: no, I mean the philosophical concept in epistemology
May 07 13:41:45 <Hedgehog456>	Ohhhh
May 07 13:41:48 <Hedgehog456>	:D
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May 07 13:52:36 <KimiNewt>	goddamn goddamn
May 07 13:53:18 <Hedgehog456>	Stop damning God or he'll smite you
May 07 13:53:22 <Hedgehog456>	*He'll
May 07 13:53:38 <Hedgehog456>	:O
May 07 13:53:43 <Hedgehog456>	Google [Bot]
May 07 13:54:03 <Bejinhan>	xD
May 07 13:54:59 <Hedgehog456>	IT'S HERE
May 07 13:55:21 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Google [Bot] tightly, and invites it to other areas of his website
May 07 13:56:17 <Bejinhan>	Google Bot?
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May 07 13:57:23 <Bejinhan>	Hedgehog456: what does it do?
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May 07 13:57:30 <Hedgehog456>	It indexes websites
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May 07 13:58:34 <Bejinhan>	ohh
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May 07 13:59:58 <tommorris>	you all saw the Googlebot RfA right?
May 07 14:00:17 <Hedgehog456>	When Googlebot enters your website, you've won
May 07 14:00:51 <Bejinhan>	tommorris: no. what about it?
May 07 14:01:11 <IceCas>	dont even kno what an RfA is...
May 07 14:02:02 <tommorris>	It was funny
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May 07 14:02:14 <Bejinhan>	tommorris: link?
May 07 14:02:14 <tommorris>	I'd show it to you if Chrome hurried the fuck up
May 07 14:02:23 <Hedgehog456>	Whatever you o
May 07 14:02:25 <Hedgehog456>	*do
May 07 14:02:26 <IceCas>	is the humans.txt?
May 07 14:02:26 <Bejinhan>	IceCas: RfA= Requests for adminship
May 07 14:02:34 <Hedgehog456>	Never use the word "kno"
May 07 14:02:37 <Hedgehog456>	Is it cursed
May 07 14:02:48 <IceCas>	Bejinhan, thanks
May 07 14:02:58 <Bejinhan>	Hedgehog456: orly?
May 07 14:02:59 <tommorris>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:April_fools/April_Fools%27_Day_2011/GoogleBot_RFA
May 07 14:03:28 <Hedgehog456>	Bejinhan: It brings baaaaadddd memories back
May 07 14:03:31 <Bejinhan>	oh haha! april's fool
May 07 14:03:47 <Bejinhan>	Hedgehog456: i see
May 07 14:03:47 <Hedgehog456>	Of a time when I tried to split WP
May 07 14:03:50 <Hedgehog456>	And FAILED
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May 07 14:04:33 <Qcoder00>	Anyone know how you send letters to US govt departments?
May 07 14:04:52 <tommorris>	my favourite on there: "Strongest possible neutral Many plus points, but no MediaWiki talk edits shows candidate isn't well-rounded enough."
May 07 14:04:54 <Qcoder00>	In particular I was wondering if there was an official way you got hold of Amtrak mileages...
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May 07 14:05:54 <Bejinhan>	tommorris: is that autocompleter job a hoax?
May 07 14:06:03 <Bejinhan>	how can anyone type 32,000WPM?
May 07 14:06:24 <Fluffernutter>	huh. i slept from 6pm last night until 9am this morning. I wonder if that's bad.
May 07 14:06:42 <Qcoder00>	Fluffernutter:  You must have been tired
May 07 14:06:47 <Qcoder00>	What did you dream about?
May 07 14:06:48 <Fluffernutter>	i'm still tired
May 07 14:06:52 <Fluffernutter>	i could go back to sleep right now
May 07 14:06:54 <Qcoder00>	I am worried though
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May 07 14:07:57 <Hedgehog456>	"So to all the users out there looking for the most authentic, relevant search results, we encourage you to come directly to Google." Good advice Google.
May 07 14:08:04 <Bejinhan>	Qcoder00 is worried about Fluffernutter?
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May 07 14:08:25 <Qcoder00>	No
May 07 14:08:30 <Qcoder00>	About Wikipedia things
May 07 14:08:33 <Hedgehog456>	It would be scarier if the fenix was worried about Ironholds
May 07 14:08:41 <Qcoder00>	It's too quiet on the lists I watch
May 07 14:09:04 <Bejinhan>	Hedgehog456: xD
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May 07 14:09:24 <Qcoder00>	I.E You don'expect long term backlogs to start vanishing overnight
May 07 14:09:28 <Hedgehog456>	And even scarier if Ironholds was worried about me
May 07 14:12:23 <Bejinhan>	Hedgehog456: that will only happen when the world ends
May 07 14:12:30 <Bejinhan>	Qcoder00: which backlog is empty?
May 07 14:12:34 <Bejinhan>	*list
May 07 14:12:40 <Qcoder00>	Untagged images
May 07 14:13:05 <Qcoder00>	The list of unused Non-free fair use stuff is also smaller than normal
May 07 14:13:12 <Qcoder00>	as are a number of other backlogs
May 07 14:13:39 <Qcoder00>	The number of short page images is also decreasing
May 07 14:13:41 <Qcoder00>	:(
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May 07 14:13:59 <Bejinhan>	Qcoder00: isn't that a good thing?
May 07 14:14:05 <Qcoder00>	Well
May 07 14:14:09 <Qcoder00>	It depends
May 07 14:14:15 <Qcoder00>	If the images are gettinf fixed - yes
May 07 14:14:21 <Qcoder00>	If stuff is getting deleted NO
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May 07 14:17:41 <Sp33dyphil>	Anyone home?
May 07 14:17:56 *	Sp33dyphil yawns
May 07 14:18:14 <Theo10011>	Hello
May 07 14:18:14 <Qcoder00>	Hello?
May 07 14:18:20 <KimiNewt>	Hello!
May 07 14:19:06 <Theo10011>	Hola kimi.
May 07 14:20:11 <KimiNewt>	Good afternoon
May 07 14:20:27 <Theo10011>	It's been slow here today.
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May 07 14:24:22 <mattbuck>	is there any way to restore old versions of a watchlist from say yesterday?
May 07 14:25:54 <tommorris>	don't think so
May 07 14:27:00 <tommorris>	watchlists aren't versioned like pages
May 07 14:27:34 <mattbuck>	crap
May 07 14:27:42 <mattbuck>	I just lost 30,000 items from my commons watchlist :/
May 07 14:27:51 <tommorris>	bugger
May 07 14:27:53 <Theo10011>	woh
May 07 14:28:44 <mattbuck>	should have known better than to try and edit it
May 07 14:29:41 <Bejinhan>	mattbuck: O.O
May 07 14:29:47 <Bejinhan>	30,000 items!
May 07 14:29:48 <mattbuck>	trying to add some back it times out after 2700 >_<
May 07 14:30:15 <mattbuck>	Bejinhan, it's commons, most stuff is images and so barely ever gets edited
May 07 14:30:29 <Bejinhan>	mattbuck: ah, i thought it was enwp
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May 07 14:34:11 <Ironholds>	tommorris, do I email the guy at the foundation, set up the CILIP proposal or go to the shops?
May 07 14:34:27 <Qcoder00>	What is the CILIP project?
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May 07 14:35:13 <Qcoder00>	[[CILIP]] - You mean those people?
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May 07 14:35:22 <Ironholds>	yup
May 07 14:35:44 <Ironholds>	Sue's going to the American Library Association to give the keynote, and I went "fuck it, can't let the seppos have all the fun"
May 07 14:35:50 <Ironholds>	so shimgray and I are doing the CILIP conference
May 07 14:35:51 <Qcoder00>	:)
May 07 14:36:25 <Qcoder00>	:)
May 07 14:36:31 <Ironholds>	shops it is, I'll do the rest when I get back
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May 07 14:37:00 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds: speaking of Libraries... You don't know of one that keeps  pre 1960 UK Statutory Instruments?
May 07 14:37:17 <Ironholds>	I know of..two.
May 07 14:37:18 <Qcoder00>	I am trying to track down a very specfic 1957 one concerning traffic signs
May 07 14:37:30 <Ironholds>	the HOPA and the national archives
May 07 14:37:37 <Ironholds>	also OPSI, but they're not really a library per se
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May 07 14:38:07 <Qcoder00>	Because it's no longer in force the SI concerned isn't on legislation.gov , (I checked)
May 07 14:38:33 <Qcoder00>	However, if the National Archives is likely to hold a copy and is amenable to it being on WikISource...
May 07 14:38:47 <tommorris>	sigh. just been told that I shouldn't refer to stupid people as stupid
May 07 14:38:48 <Qcoder00>	(Some Archives don't like to share :( ) then  Thanks :)
May 07 14:38:57 <Ironholds>	tommorris: where?
May 07 14:38:58 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Define 'stupid'
May 07 14:39:14 <Ironholds>	on the No2av stupid scale, where do they rate?
May 07 14:39:19 <Ironholds>	it's measured in milibecketts
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May 07 14:39:36 <Qcoder00>	What the **** is a milibeckett?
May 07 14:39:46 <tommorris>	by stupid, I mean a Wikipedia vandal, on my talk page
May 07 14:39:50 <Ironholds>	a thousandth of a Margaret Beckett
May 07 14:40:03 <Ironholds>	tommorris: that's about a 15 picobecketts, sounds like
May 07 14:40:12 <tommorris>	I'd say Beckett has lost a lot of my respect for her No2AV stance. But I didn't have much respect for her to start with.
May 07 14:40:32 <Qcoder00>	Are Beckkets a linear or logartihmic measure?
May 07 14:40:40 <Ironholds>	tommorris: my favorite was her "THE ONLY OTHER PLACE WHICH USES IT IS FIJI, AND IT'S SO SHITE THEY'RE GETTING RID OF IT!" argument
May 07 14:40:41 <Qcoder00>	*Becketts?
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May 07 14:40:52 <Ironholds>	1) Fiji is a military dictatorship. That's why they're getting rid of it.
May 07 14:40:54 <tommorris>	in fact, the Labour politicians I hate the most seem to all have opposed AV. Funny that.
May 07 14:41:19 <Ironholds>	2) Fiji became a military dictatorship in 2007. One would expect senior labour figures to remember this if they were involved in foreign affairs
May 07 14:41:27 <Ironholds>	3) the Foreign Secretary in 2007 was Margaret Beckett.
May 07 14:41:39 <foks>	HEH
May 07 14:41:41 <foks>	:3
May 07 14:41:48 <Ironholds>	Hanlon's razor applies, methinks
May 07 14:41:50 <mattbuck>	meh, hopefully my connection at home won't time out so quick so it'll get back to 10k
May 07 14:41:51 <Ironholds>	anyhoo, off to t'shops.
May 07 14:43:43 <tommorris>	holy moley, this remix is pretty fantastic
May 07 14:43:54 <Theo10011>	chip chip cheerio
May 07 14:44:51 <foks>	tommorris, Which?
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May 07 14:46:19 <tommorris>	this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blnaI92vdu0
May 07 14:46:24 <tommorris>	sorry, dealing with someone hacking a site I use
May 07 14:47:25 <foks>	ah
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May 07 15:00:54 <Mike5>	!admin
May 07 15:01:04 <Mike5>	serial copyright violator, both in images and text http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arius1996
May 07 15:01:16 <stwalkerster>	lookinh
May 07 15:01:21 <Mike5>	also creates a few hoax articles (fictional aircraft presented as real)
May 07 15:02:20 <Mike5>	i like how he gives the author of one photo as "Chinese Internet"
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May 07 15:04:54 <Mike5>	all of these images for example are copyvios: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_%28aircraft%29
May 07 15:04:58 <Mike5>	and the article is a hoax
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May 07 15:05:42 <Mike5>	it's about the fictional aircraft from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_%28film%29
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May 07 15:17:13 <Delta>	any admins around that want to pad their deletion counts?
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May 07 15:23:18 <Thehelpfulone>	Delta: sure ;)
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May 07 15:23:28 <Dragonfly6-7>	good morning, humans
May 07 15:24:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	who can do me a favor that involves fetching some data?
May 07 15:25:01 <petan>	hm?
May 07 15:25:04 <wctaiwan>	on today's FA: I actually kinda support the idea. If people's bodies stop producing sex hormones, we'd probably be a lot more rational and achieve a lot more (except babies, 'course)
May 07 15:25:20 <petan>	data from wikipedia db or what :)
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May 07 15:25:50 <Dragonfly6-7>	okay, NYTimes.com does something weird with its archives from like 1910 - you can see stuff on .pdf, but if you click 'reload' you can't get that .pdf any more
May 07 15:26:16 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: link me, I'll see if I can figure something out.
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May 07 15:27:27 <Delta>	Thehelpfulone: give me one sec to re-generate the list
May 07 15:27:47 <Thehelpfulone>	ok
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May 07 15:32:51 <tommorris>	nice, OpenLibrary now has the ability to export Wikipedia citations
May 07 15:33:03 <tommorris>	look at something like this - http://openlibrary.org/works/OL15108973W/The_Jesus_Legend
May 07 15:33:10 <tommorris>	at the bottom, click Wikipedia citation
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May 07 15:43:23 <Headbomb>	yeah they had that for a while
May 07 15:43:31 <Headbomb>	bummer the citation template is filled with crap
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May 07 15:46:07 *	Dragonfly6-7 cracks knuckles. Okay, there we go. [[William P. Spratling]]
May 07 15:46:48 <Dragonfly6-7>	Opinions?
May 07 15:48:00 <geniice>	tommorris I thought libiarything could already do that?
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May 07 15:49:42 <geniice>	tommorris this was the conclusion back in 2009 http://www.librarything.com/blogs/librarything/2009/11/the-books-of-wikipedia/
May 07 15:51:09 <paradoxaz>	Hello all.
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May 07 15:51:39 <Hedgehog456>	Hello paradoxaz
May 07 15:52:11 <topaz>	why are there so many geographical centers of Europe? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Geographical_centre_of_Europe
May 07 15:52:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	because it depends on how you define 'Europe'
May 07 15:52:55 <topaz>	fair point.
May 07 15:53:43 <Hedgehog456>	I have developed a plan
May 07 15:53:47 <tommorris>	geniice: yes, librarything can probably do it
May 07 15:53:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	also, many of those photos are of-or-near-to the same places
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May 07 15:53:56 <tommorris>	but anyone can edit openlibrary! ;-)
May 07 15:54:07 <tommorris>	and the data is all CC0
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May 07 15:54:46 <Delta>	topaz: The location of the geographical centre of Europe depends on the definition of the borders of Europe, mainly whether remote islands are included to define the extreme points of Europe, and on the method of calculating the final result.
May 07 15:54:50 *	topaz reads [[Geographical midpoint of Europe]]
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May 07 15:54:59 <geniice>	you mean PD? CC0 is a marketing thing
May 07 15:55:12 <geniice>	oh dear I appear to be getting into an edit war
May 07 15:55:13 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zamzam_Well&action=history
May 07 15:55:21 <Hedgehog456>	While reading logs, I have discovered the one way to incapacitate a derp
May 07 15:55:30 <Dragonfly6-7>	supernova
May 07 15:58:55 *	Ironholds sighs
May 07 15:59:12 <Ironholds>	I finally emailed Steven back. hooray.
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May 07 16:02:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	whcih Steven?
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May 07 16:03:27 <tommorris>	Dragonfly6-7: Steven Walling
May 07 16:03:50 <Ironholds>	he sent me an email a week ago going "hey, Maryana and I think your idea is neat and want to do scutwork for it!"
May 07 16:03:55 <Ironholds>	and I have now got back to replying
May 07 16:04:01 <tommorris>	your idea being...?
May 07 16:04:05 <Ironholds>	with a sheepish "sorry, exams!" and 10 paragraphs of going mental
May 07 16:04:16 <Ironholds>	tommorris: we're going to build up both success and failure archetypes of wikipedians
May 07 16:04:36 <Ironholds>	looking at how the proportions of each change in different time periods, what correlations in treatment or RL status there are, so on
May 07 16:04:57 <tommorris>	as in successful newbies - people who transition into being active editors
May 07 16:04:58 <Ironholds>	it wasn't actually my idea, I went to philippe "what needs doing" and he went "well, an archetypes thing?"
May 07 16:05:09 <Ironholds>	tommorris: users created in [week] still active in [week] one year later
May 07 16:05:17 <Ironholds>	we've got some initial data back, actually - it's on my blog
May 07 16:05:29 <Ironholds>	nothing analytical, but it's interesting to see how we've started to sink
May 07 16:06:10 <tommorris>	there are rumours circulating on Twitter that Margaret Thatcher has taken a turn for the worse
May 07 16:06:44 <Ironholds>	well, now that progress has been staked through its heart, she has no reason to continue unliving
May 07 16:07:08 <Ironholds>	tommorris: http://quominus.org/arguendo/?p=158 btw
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May 07 16:17:35 <OlEnglish>	ok what the hell...
May 07 16:17:42 <OlEnglish>	is this a drawing or a photo??
May 07 16:17:43 <OlEnglish>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eid_Hassan_Abou_Ashra.jpg
May 07 16:18:11 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's a photo with the background carefully removed and replaced with a blue gradient
May 07 16:18:12 <geniice>	photo
May 07 16:18:22 <geniice>	not so carefully
May 07 16:18:32 <OlEnglish>	oh its a cutout
May 07 16:18:46 <OlEnglish>	he still looks.. fake
May 07 16:18:57 <geniice>	He has certified a BA degree from Faculty of Holy Qur'an Recitations by the year 2003
May 07 16:19:08 <geniice>	least useful qualification ever
May 07 16:19:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	yeah, it's been cut out with scissors
May 07 16:19:21 <Dragonfly6-7>	not "the scissors tool', but actual physical scissors. And then scanned.
May 07 16:19:54 <Ironholds>	geniice: disagree
May 07 16:20:13 <Ironholds>	my university offers a joint-honours cause in waste management and dance
May 07 16:20:44 <geniice>	Ironholds so they have a career to fall back on when the dance doesn't work out?
May 07 16:21:23 <Dragonfly6-7>	geniice - it's funnier if you say "when the waste management doesn't work out"
May 07 16:21:33 <Hedgehog456>	"He has completed the Holy Qur'an memorization by the age of 9 years old." Maybe this offer a /sliver/ of notability?
May 07 16:22:00 <Hedgehog456>	*offers
May 07 16:22:03 <geniice>	<Hedgehog456 no. There are supposedly 10s of K people who have done that
May 07 16:22:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	geniice - source?
May 07 16:22:12 <Hedgehog456>	geniice: Ah
May 07 16:22:26 <geniice>	doesn't help that there is a country that will release you from prision if you memorise the thing
May 07 16:22:27 <Hedgehog456>	geniice: So let's delete him and get it over with
May 07 16:22:40 <Dragonfly6-7>	"Simply having memorized the Qur'an does not grant notability."
May 07 16:23:13 <geniice>	Dragonfly6-7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafiz_%28Qur%27an%29
May 07 16:23:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	Aha
May 07 16:23:39 *	tommorris has memorized his telephone number and should now be granted a Wikipedia article
May 07 16:23:53 <tommorris>	on Simple Wikipedia, of course
May 07 16:24:02 <Dragonfly6-7>	"Simply being a Hafiz does not grant notability. The concept of Hafiz itself, yes. But *being* a Hafiz?  No."
May 07 16:24:03 *	Hedgehog456 memorised his a long time ago
May 07 16:24:39 <Hedgehog456>	000-HEDGY-000
May 07 16:24:42 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 07 16:24:49 <OlEnglish>	does someone want to politely answer him at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eid_Hassan_Abou_Ashra
May 07 16:24:50 <OlEnglish>	?
May 07 16:24:52 <OlEnglish>	for me?
May 07 16:24:57 <Hedgehog456>	I'll do it
May 07 16:25:02 <Hedgehog456>	For you, OlEnglish
May 07 16:25:04 <OlEnglish>	be nice
May 07 16:26:05 <wctaiwan>	why not just put it through AfD instead of CSD though :s
May 07 16:26:45 <OlEnglish>	that could hurt his feelings even more
May 07 16:26:59 <OlEnglish>	i'm assuming he's the subject btw
May 07 16:27:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	OlEnglish - I left him a message on his usertalk
May 07 16:27:23 <Dragonfly6-7>	being a Hafiz does not grant notability
May 07 16:27:32 <wctaiwan>	ah, always fun writing about yourself in third person
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May 07 16:32:42 <Ironholds>	aha!
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May 07 16:33:05 <Ironholds>	the distinction is the trust was dissolved 13 years ago and thus individual contributions after that date can't be counted.
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May 07 16:34:54 <wctaiwan>	has anyone brought up making Contributions a tab (next to User page and Discussion) before? If so, why was it rejected?
May 07 16:35:16 <Ironholds>	wctaiwan: I assume because it's internal and thus won't be of interest to readers or early editors and just clogs up the place
May 07 16:35:21 <Ironholds>	but it might be worth asking in -tech
May 07 16:36:21 <wctaiwan>	It's not so much a tech question (as in, developers' opinions wouldn't matter more than those of respected members of the community) really... But okay.
May 07 16:36:53 <wctaiwan>	I was just wondering since it took me a while (well, until someone here pointed it out :P) to realise it could be accessed under Toolbox.
May 07 16:37:11 <wctaiwan>	I mean, page history is internal as well, no? :P
May 07 16:37:40 <Ironholds>	yeah, but more likely to be of use to newbies wondering wtf happened to their contributions
May 07 16:37:45 <Ironholds>	personally, I use monobook, though
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May 07 16:39:00 *	tommorris loves Vector
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May 07 16:39:13 <wctaiwan>	Vector was a step backwards in some regards.
May 07 16:39:18 <wctaiwan>	but then I got used to it and... meh.
May 07 16:39:35 <OlEnglish>	Dragonfly6-7: uh oh, now you got him going again..
May 07 16:39:55 *	tommorris gets ready to go home
May 07 16:40:20 <Ironholds>	tommorris: work?
May 07 16:40:26 <tommorris>	library
May 07 16:40:36 <wctaiwan>	the "open" tabs really bugged me when I first saw them, but now I just don't even notice anymore
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May 07 16:41:06 *	tommorris was pleased that Citizendium added Vector recently. The default theme on there is fucking appalling
May 07 16:41:13 <wctaiwan>	so is the logo
May 07 16:41:18 <tommorris>	well, yeah
May 07 16:41:22 <tommorris>	it doesn't say "beta" anymore
May 07 16:41:34 <tommorris>	but Pinkwich5 is something only special people can love
May 07 16:41:43 <wctaiwan>	really, I think Wikipedia's slightly more polished appearance may have helped it gain usage.
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May 07 16:43:23 <geniice>	wctaiwan our highest level of recruitment was when we had the classic skin
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May 07 16:43:34 <Tothwolf>	tommorris: weren't they having budget problems?
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May 07 16:44:04 <wctaiwan>	nice and hideous geniice.
May 07 16:44:31 <Ironholds>	geniice: you're both being silly
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May 07 16:44:33 <geniice>	Tothwolf they've got enough money to keep going until about september
May 07 16:45:08 <geniice>	Ironholds eh hard to say your editor retention graph doesn't go back pre 2006
May 07 16:45:40 <Ironholds>	geniice: I more meant linking the interface with contributions
May 07 16:45:49 <geniice>	Tothwolf longer if they switched to a cheaper hosting provider which they seem unable to do
May 07 16:46:05 <geniice>	Ironholds are you questioning the foundation's usability project?
May 07 16:46:06 <Ironholds>	the drop-off started before the introduction of the new skin, so your statement is groundless, while we have no data to indicate that we've attracted more readers since switching, so his is.
May 07 16:46:08 <wctaiwan>	I just looked through all the available skins. Vector and Monobook are the only ones that are usable and don't make me think I'm looking at a plain text google cache.
May 07 16:46:20 <Dragonfly6-7>	I like Classic
May 07 16:46:21 <geniice>	Ironholds err classic predates your graph
May 07 16:46:25 <Ironholds>	geniice: no, it's an important puzzle-piece.
May 07 16:46:29 <Ironholds>	but that's all it is
May 07 16:46:30 <Tothwolf>	Dragonfly6-7: monobook?
May 07 16:46:38 <Tothwolf>	vector is too slow imo
May 07 16:46:39 <geniice>	by 2006 we were on monobook
May 07 16:46:52 <Tothwolf>	too much extra javascript
May 07 16:46:53 <Ironholds>	geniice: the big rises came from 05-07 ;p
May 07 16:46:54 <Dragonfly6-7>	tomaw - no, classic.
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May 07 16:47:19 <geniice>	Ironholds damn thats monobook era
May 07 16:47:42 <wctaiwan>	aanyway. I wasn't trying to start a debate.
May 07 16:47:50 <Ironholds>	geniice: exactly ;p
May 07 16:48:00 <Ironholds>	but yeah, no reason to suggest it's made a substantial impact on editing
May 07 16:48:00 <wctaiwan>	I was trying to say that if wikipedia looked like meatball wiki when I first saw it, I wouldn't be reading it today :P
May 07 16:48:02 <Dragonfly6-7>	geniice - "they've got enough money until September" - 'they' = Citizendium ?
May 07 16:48:11 <geniice>	Dragonfly6-7 yes
May 07 16:48:44 <geniice>	Dragonfly6-7 see http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Citizendium
May 07 16:49:29 <KimiNewt>	anyone here read "Machine of Death"?
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May 07 16:49:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	KimiNewt - yes.
May 07 16:49:39 <wctaiwan>	ooh fun, rational wiki
May 07 16:49:46 <Dragonfly6-7>	KimiNewt - Randall Munroe's attack on the concept is quite good
May 07 16:50:05 <KimiNewt>	apparently it's freely available?
May 07 16:50:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	KimiNewt - yep.
May 07 16:51:14 <KimiNewt>	welp
May 07 16:51:17 <KimiNewt>	I was going to buy it on kindle
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May 07 16:51:29 <KimiNewt>	(total impulse buy, I was looking for the new Dino comics book)
May 07 16:51:36 <KimiNewt>	but if it's freely available on PDF..
May 07 16:51:53 <wctaiwan>	https://www.dropbox.com/s/34ickknphalj9ep/MachineofDeath_FINAL_SPREADS.pdf <- direct link :P
May 07 16:52:33 <KimiNewt>	reading a kindle book is more comfortable than just reading a PDF, and I'd be supporting them that way.. hmm
May 07 16:53:49 <wctaiwan>	okay, killing everything other than word so I'd stop procrastinating
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May 07 16:54:26 <KimiNewt>	the dino comcis book, in contrast, is only available on one shop! and not on amazon
May 07 16:54:28 <KimiNewt>	what the cra
May 07 16:55:56 <MuZemike>	Oh, for f***'s sake
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May 07 16:56:28 <geniice>	"Wikipedia articles are not the place for right-wing propaganda and ethnic whining. Thank you." ah custom warnings how do we love thee http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Youngy1979&oldid=375781164
May 07 16:56:31 <Qcoder00>	Hi
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May 07 16:56:39 <Qcoder00>	Anyone know how to use CatScan
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May 07 16:56:50 <Qcoder00>	I can't get it to return any sensible results
May 07 16:56:53 <Qcoder00>	?
May 07 16:57:06 <Qcoder00>	http://toolserver.org/~magnus/catscan_rewrite.php - trying to find Image redirects
May 07 16:57:52 <Hedgehog456>	"For my birthday, I want uber-hacking tools, seven hundred computers and a warrant to destroy Conservapedia... for good."
May 07 16:58:46 *	Tothwolf smacks Hedgehog456 around with a UNIX manual
May 07 16:59:36 <Tothwolf>	kids today...
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May 07 17:00:00 <KimiNewt>	let's not get ahead of ourselves now
May 07 17:00:37 <Hedgehog456>	That was a quote.
May 07 17:00:57 *	Hedgehog456 grabs the UNIX manual and smashes Tothwolf open with it
May 07 17:01:23 *	Hedgehog456 puts the manual inside Tothwolf and closes him up again
May 07 17:02:29 <Hedgehog456>	KimiNewt, Tothwolf: I found that on a website.
May 07 17:02:34 <Hedgehog456>	I lol'ed at it.
May 07 17:02:55 <KimiNewt>	Funny thing is, I remember the comic that inspired the book
May 07 17:03:18 <Hedgehog456>	"HOW GNU --no-preserve-root MURDERED /"
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May 07 17:04:10 <Hedgehog456>	KimiNewt: what book? The UNIX manual?
May 07 17:04:14 <geniice>	Conservapedia has been banned in europe. By Conservapedia
May 07 17:04:25 <Hedgehog456>	geniice: Good for 'em
May 07 17:04:37 <KimiNewt>	Yes, the UNIX manual
May 07 17:04:38 <Hedgehog456>	That way I don't have to melt my brains in it
May 07 17:04:41 <KimiNewt>	man man
May 07 17:05:03 <Qcoder00>	geniice: ??
May 07 17:05:14 <Qcoder00>	Where has that been stated?
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May 07 17:05:25 <geniice>	Qcoder00 have you tried visiting Conservapedia of late?
May 07 17:05:34 <Qcoder00>	Or has Conservpedia effectvly declard that by blocking European IP's?
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May 07 17:06:10 <KimiNewt>	this reminds me it's time to buy some BOOKS
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May 07 17:06:50 <Qcoder00>	I'm sorely tempted to get someone that's clearly  a theological scholar in the UK to try and access CP, and then sue them for slander when they get blocked..
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May 07 17:08:42 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: yeah, that'll work well. idito.
May 07 17:08:44 <Ironholds>	*idiot.
May 07 17:09:08 <geniice>	Conservpedia has increasingly blocked european IPs from even acessing it
May 07 17:09:21 <Hedgehog456>	Like the whole 82 range
May 07 17:09:27 <Hedgehog456>	That contains me >:(
May 07 17:09:29 <Qcoder00>	Conservpedia is being dumb if it thinks blocking Europe will solve the problem
May 07 17:09:43 <Qcoder00>	Serious vandals which just use proxy servers
May 07 17:09:43 <Hedgehog456>	They're racist.
May 07 17:10:01 <Hedgehog456>	Assuming the whole of Europe will destroy Conservapedia.
May 07 17:10:22 <Qcoder00>	Also by blocking Europe , Conservpedia might be consider to be preventing people from checking that information on them is accurate...
May 07 17:10:25 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: oh no!
May 07 17:10:40 <Ironholds>	you're suggesting that crazy right-wingers are less-than-politically correct?
May 07 17:10:42 <Ironholds>	what a shock
May 07 17:11:05 <Hedgehog456>	watch out
May 07 17:11:18 <Hedgehog456>	spam coming; dog on keybo[ard
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May 07 17:11:37 <Hedgehog456>	...
May 07 17:11:49 <Hedgehog456>	spam alert over
May 07 17:11:50 <Hedgehog456>	dog off knee
May 07 17:12:26 <geniice>	strangely the cat generaly avoids the actual keyboard
May 07 17:12:32 <Qcoder00>	http://www.conservapedia.com/Wikipedia
May 07 17:12:34 <Qcoder00>	LOL
May 07 17:12:51 <Qcoder00>	For some reason, My ISP doesn't get blocked ;)
May 07 17:12:59 <Hedgehog456>	Pastebin it.
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May 07 17:13:14 <Hedgehog456>	I want to laugh with scorn.
May 07 17:13:28 <Hedgehog456>	*Paste
May 07 17:13:29 <Qcoder00>	What license does CP use?
May 07 17:13:34 <Hedgehog456>	Qcoder00: What's the lead sentence?
May 07 17:13:39 <Hedgehog456>	Qcoder00: dunno
May 07 17:13:55 <Qcoder00>	"Wikipedia is a online encyclopedia[1] written and edited by an ad hoc assemblage of anonymous persons who are mostly, according to the Register (UK)[2][3], teenagers and unemployed persons."
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May 07 17:14:37 <Qcoder00>	Now  they do say that's from an external source.... but I doubt that's accurate
May 07 17:14:39 <Hedgehog456>	OMG how do they know so much about the Register?
May 07 17:14:54 <Hedgehog456>	give us the links from the source please
May 07 17:15:09 <Ironholds>	hah
May 07 17:15:15 <Ironholds>	I'm blocked from viewing it. nice.
May 07 17:15:21 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: same
May 07 17:15:23 <Qcoder00>	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/18/sanger_forks_wikipedia/ , http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/mar/08/media.comment
May 07 17:15:26 <geniice>	hmm I'm not at the monent
May 07 17:15:28 <geniice>	I usualy am
May 07 17:15:42 <topaz>	they don't say anything of the sort
May 07 17:15:53 <topaz>	(also shocking, I know)
May 07 17:15:59 <Qcoder00>	geniice: It would be ironic if someone found something on CP that got blocked in the UK by the IWF filter.... ;)
May 07 17:16:30 <Qcoder00>	*that got it blocked
May 07 17:17:14 <Qcoder00>	But given CP's policy I doubt that's likely, as they are careful...
May 07 17:17:54 <Qcoder00>	http://www.conservapedia.com/Wikipedia#GFDL_License_Issue ROFL ROFL -
May 07 17:18:31 <Hedgehog456>	Paste first sentence :D
May 07 17:18:34 <Hedgehog456>	Pls
May 07 17:18:51 <Simon->	did Uncyclopedia take over Conservapedia? the whole thing is a joke right?
May 07 17:19:12 <Hedgehog456>	Simon-: I hope not
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May 07 17:19:40 <Qcoder00>	Simon: Sadly CP is not satire
May 07 17:19:54 <Qcoder00>	If it was , it would be much more vitriloic ;)
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May 07 17:20:37 <Simon->	plenty of ad hominem attacks in their articles
May 07 17:21:08 <Qcoder00>	Simon: Well its a US based site
May 07 17:21:14 <Simon->	"here's a photo of this fat person, and that fat person, and this other fat person" gets a bit ridiculous on their Atheism article
May 07 17:21:15 <Qcoder00>	First Ammendment and all that
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May 07 17:21:40 <Dragonfly6-7>	Simon- - there's *lots* of stuff on Conservapedia that gets ridiculous
May 07 17:21:45 <Dragonfly6-7>	also "lesbians are fat"
May 07 17:21:49 <Qcoder00>	CP won't get into trouble unless it actually has an opinion on something like Koran burning...
May 07 17:22:29 <Qcoder00>	and I do mean OPINION rather than factual news coverage
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May 07 17:23:24 *	Hedgehog456 calls upon God to perform His first act of Server Destruction by Lightning
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May 07 17:24:25 <Qcoder00>	Hedghog456: No
May 07 17:24:38 <Qcoder00>	You do not ask a merciful god to show his wrath ;)
May 07 17:24:42 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 07 17:25:11 <Hedgehog456>	But seriously, this... libel is probably being fed into the minds of /children/ in America
May 07 17:25:16 <duggthe>	Is anyone able to give me a list of the pieces of information that will be available on any government-issued ID card, passport or driver's license throughout the civilized world? The ones I'm 99% sure of are: first name, last name, date of birth (day, month and year), autograph, photograph of face.
May 07 17:25:35 *	Dragonfly6-7 sighs. Remind me how to do multiple references to a single external source?
May 07 17:25:45 <Hedgehog456>	They'll be turned into thoughtless, conservative, religious zombies
May 07 17:26:02 <Qcoder00>	Hedgehog456:  Who actually uses CP?
May 07 17:26:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	ref name something?
May 07 17:26:14 <Qcoder00>	Apart from conservative religous types?
May 07 17:26:29 <Hedgehog456>	Qcoder00: Teachers who like it, making their students read it for homework?
May 07 17:26:47 <Qcoder00>	Teachers should be insisting on 'reliable' sources...
May 07 17:26:54 <Qcoder00>	Not a specfic one ;)
May 07 17:27:34 <Hedgehog456>	Who here wants a place to discuss, learn and express their opinions about practically everything?
May 07 17:27:49 <Qcoder00>	Hedgehog456:  It's called IRC ;)
May 07 17:28:06 <Hedgehog456>	Qcoder00: In a permanent way?
May 07 17:28:26 <Hedgehog456>	So that your comments are recorded for other people to learn from them?
May 07 17:28:31 <Qcoder00>	USENET?
May 07 17:28:36 <Qcoder00>	Google Groups?
May 07 17:29:09 <Hedgehog456>	;(
May 07 17:29:18 <Hedgehog456>	I give up
May 07 17:29:42 <Hedgehog456>	I was trying to do some shameless advertising there, but...
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May 07 17:38:10 <pakaran>	is this a spam?
May 07 17:38:11 <pakaran>	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User:Mr._Zahid_Hossain_Khan&redirect=no&rcid=440539519
May 07 17:38:40 <Dragonfly6-7>	hard to say, but it's definitely not an appropriat use of a userpage
May 07 17:38:42 *	Dragonfly6-7 deletes
May 07 17:39:29 <Peter-C>	I has debit card :)_
May 07 17:40:36 <Qcoder00>	Dragonfly6-7:  Can i have a private word about something?
May 07 17:40:44 <Dragonfly6-7>	Wait
May 07 17:41:13 <Qcoder00>	I may as well give the general aspect here though - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&limit=500&offset=1500&target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.law.cornell.edu%2Fuscode%2Fhtml%2Fuscode17%2Fusc_sec_17_00000107----000-.html
May 07 17:41:31 <duggthe>	Is anyone able to give me a list of the pieces of information that will be available on any government-issued ID card, passport or driver's license throughout the civilized world? The ones I'm 99% sure of are: first name, last name, date of birth (day, month and year), autograph, photograph of face.
May 07 17:41:40 <Qcoder00>	There's a cleanup backlog from when an older generation of FUR attempt got substed...
May 07 17:41:51 <Qcoder00>	.. and I'm trying slowly to clear it
May 07 17:42:06 <Qcoder00>	The specfic matter , I won't disscuss in open channel
May 07 17:45:58 <duggthe>	"Beverly Hills Chihuahua"... you can HEAR on the name that this is gonna be one lousy film
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May 07 17:51:02 <geniice>	hmm its things like this that make me regret not having a laptop
May 07 17:51:04 <geniice>	http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAMcamp_London
May 07 17:51:47 <Peter-C>	http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/c_word/6.png xD
May 07 17:52:12 <duggthe>	Most unfunny crap ever.
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May 07 18:06:00 <Quentinv57>	!admin Please block http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/209.6.169.163 - it will prevent mass add of interwiki links [[en:69 (sex position)#Method]]
May 07 18:06:06 <Quentinv57>	Thanks by advance
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May 07 18:07:02 <foks>	Mass addition?
May 07 18:07:09 <foks>	I see approximately 1.
May 07 18:08:08 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds : You still here?
May 07 18:09:04 <Thehelpfulone>	I agree - Quentinv57 where else has there been abuse?
May 07 18:09:18 <Qcoder00>	Thehelpfulone:  Hi
May 07 18:09:31 <Qcoder00>	Thehelpfulone:  Can you assist with something?
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May 07 18:10:00 <Quentinv57>	foks, I just reverted about 50...
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May 07 18:10:20 <foks>	From that IP?
May 07 18:10:28 <foks>	There's only 1.
May 07 18:10:30 <Quentinv57>	not, from KamikazeBot
May 07 18:10:34 <Qcoder00>	thehelpfulone: There used to be a script which auto added {{information on -self tagged images?)
May 07 18:10:44 <Qcoder00>	((information}}
May 07 18:10:53 <Quentinv57>	foks, i.e. http://jv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Djibouti&diff=497298&oldid=496214
May 07 18:11:02 <Qcoder00>	Arghh :( I can't type {{information}} even...
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May 07 18:11:19 <foks>	Quentinv57, that is on another Wiki
May 07 18:11:26 <Qcoder00>	Would it be possible for a bot to do this addition of basic information for -self type images?
May 07 18:11:39 <Quentinv57>	foks, and ?
May 07 18:11:39 <Qcoder00>	(Albiet with some later manual cleanup)
May 07 18:11:41 <foks>	It's also because of vandalism to the Djibouti article which has now been reverted
May 07 18:11:51 <foks>	Quentinv57, admins here are admins here.
May 07 18:11:57 <foks>	Not on the "jv.wiki"
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May 07 18:12:25 <Thehelpfulone>	can't you just global block/lock it temporarily?
May 07 18:12:48 <foks>	The vandalism's been reverted alread
May 07 18:12:52 <foks>	y
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May 07 18:13:36 <foks>	And it's the only false positive from that bot: http://jv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astamiwa:Kontribusi_pengguna/KamikazeBot
May 07 18:14:18 <Quentinv57>	Thehelpfulone, the only project he has contributed is enwiki... I can't give a global block for that, that's only for cross wiki issues
May 07 18:14:38 <foks>	...What?
May 07 18:14:45 <Quentinv57>	foks, ok for the block, but there should be something to prevent the massive add of interwiki
May 07 18:14:52 <foks>	That vandalism was on the Javanese... What?
May 07 18:14:56 <foks>	I'm so confused.
May 07 18:14:57 <foks>	:D
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May 07 18:15:23 <Quentinv57>	foks, no, the vandalism was on enwiki and has been moved to any wikipedia by the bot
May 07 18:15:28 <foks>	You want the IP blocked to stop him redirecting articles to vandalistic hotspots and therefore prevent KamikazeBot from altering interwikis on differing wikis
May 07 18:15:47 <foks>	It'll change it back by itself
May 07 18:15:50 <foks>	That's how it works
May 07 18:15:57 <foks>	(the bot will, I mean))
May 07 18:16:40 <Quentinv57>	foks, but probably we can propose to add a new condition : the bot won't add massively interwikis added by a non-patrolled user
May 07 18:16:52 <foks>	That's not for me to decide
May 07 18:16:57 <foks>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KamikazeBot
May 07 18:17:04 <foks>	Contact the user directly there
May 07 18:17:12 <foks>	Or rather, using the instructions there
May 07 18:17:15 <Quentinv57>	foks, already done
May 07 18:17:21 <foks>	Well, wait.
May 07 18:17:23 <foks>	:)
May 07 18:17:29 <Quentinv57>	foks, sure he's using a script, that's a global thing
May 07 18:17:44 <AzaToth>	what's the disease called when you are stuck sitting and clicking through wikipedia articles?
May 07 18:17:56 <foks>	AzaToth, dementia ):
May 07 18:18:01 <AzaToth>	foks: :-P
May 07 18:18:05 <foks>	Quentinv57, ...the bot is
May 07 18:18:15 <foks>	I'm not blocking the bot.
May 07 18:18:17 <foks>	:)
May 07 18:18:33 <AzaToth>	foks: meant when you divert from the subject of the original article you where reading to something totally different
May 07 18:18:43 <Quentinv57>	foks, not, that was just a temporary problem, that's done now
May 07 18:18:48 <foks>	AzaToth, oh, right, probably mild ADHA
May 07 18:18:52 <foks>	... ADHD *
May 07 18:18:53 <Quentinv57>	I'll discuss it with the owner if I have time
May 07 18:18:56 <foks>	Or ADD.
May 07 18:18:59 <foks>	Quentinv57, he's on IRC
May 07 18:19:06 <foks>	 /join wikipedia-pl
May 07 18:19:12 <foks>	He's idling though
May 07 18:19:15 <Quentinv57>	foks, thanks a lot, haven't seen :)
May 07 18:19:27 <foks>	Not at all
May 07 18:19:48 <AzaToth>	wassup?
May 07 18:19:49 <foks>	Quentinv57, as I say, he's not replying right not
May 07 18:19:52 <foks>	* nw
May 07 18:19:56 <foks>	... *now
May 07 18:20:11 <Quentinv57>	foks, okay, not a problem, I have all night ;)
May 07 18:20:15 <foks>	:P
May 07 18:20:21 <foks>	Doctor Who is on
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May 07 18:20:24 <foks>	Bubi
May 07 18:20:26 <foks>	:3
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May 07 18:22:09 <KimiNewt>	I can't find enough non-digitally available books I'd like to buy
May 07 18:23:47 <KimiNewt>	I usually buy ~6-7 books together so shipping is justified
May 07 18:24:05 <KimiNewt>	but I can't find enough now
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May 07 18:26:02 <geniice>	does anyone had links to the new bin laden videos?
May 07 18:27:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	the ones where he dances?
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May 07 18:31:15 <KimiNewt>	DAMN YOU, books available on kindle!
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May 07 18:45:50 <KimiNewt>	I need to quickly decide whether I'm staying at home or at my apartment tonight.
May 07 18:46:46 <KimiNewt>	Arguments: Takes me 40 minutes to get to the apartment. I have to get to work early tomorrow, and it's sunday traffic. Takes me ~75 minutes & 25 minutes to get to work from either home or the apartment, respectively
May 07 18:47:04 <KimiNewt>	}
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May 07 18:48:36 <KimiNewt>	and not a fuck was given that day
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May 07 19:27:51 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Image_file_names#Explicit.2Fobjectively_defined_naming_conventions
May 07 19:27:57 <Qcoder00>	Feedback requested
May 07 19:30:02 <Ironholds>	"waste of paper - if we understand what the image is about from the title, that's good enough"
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May 07 19:36:08 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 07 19:36:14 <Hedgehog456>	oops
May 07 19:36:16 <Hedgehog456>	:(
May 07 19:36:18 <Hedgehog456>	not here
May 07 19:36:24 *	tommorris would tend to agree with Ironholds here
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May 07 19:36:54 <tommorris>	how many files is enWP hosting that would have to be renamed to meet an "explicit, objectively defined naming convention"
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May 07 19:36:58 <tommorris>	fucking all of them, I'd bet
May 07 19:37:36 <tommorris>	whereas the status quo of "if the name sucks, nominate it for a name change" plus "if you do that a lot and don't suck at it, you get to be a File Mover" seems eminently reasonable
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May 07 19:40:10 <Ironholds>	tommorris: ever read any Christopher Brookmyre?
May 07 19:40:14 <tommorris>	nay
May 07 19:41:26 <Ironholds>	tommorris: read http://www.brookmyre.co.uk/extras/short-stories/bampot-central/
May 07 19:41:31 <Ironholds>	then pick up every Parlabane book
May 07 19:41:51 <tommorris>	but, but, my book backlog is enormous
May 07 19:41:54 <Ironholds>	also One Fine Day In The Middle Of The Night, which is a school reuinion set on a disused oil well being assaulted by terrorists
May 07 19:42:07 <Ironholds>	irrelevant. you will buy them, read one sentence and be hooked to the rest of the book
May 07 19:42:12 <Ironholds>	it's like cheap, legal crack
May 07 19:42:16 <tommorris>	but it does have the word "CUNT" in it, so that's a plus
May 07 19:42:49 <Hedgehog456>	http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=google.com
May 07 19:42:51 <Hedgehog456>	HAHAHA
May 07 19:44:22 <Ironholds>	tommorris: Jack Parlabane is an immoral, establishment-hating shortarse with a cynical nature and a propensity for swearing
May 07 19:44:57 <Hedgehog456>	and http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=wikimedia.org/
May 07 19:44:58 <Ironholds>	he reminds me of me, only, y'know. he's useful.
May 07 19:45:00 <Hedgehog456>	be afraid
May 07 19:45:05 <Hedgehog456>	be very afraid
May 07 19:45:09 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: we're not
May 07 19:45:16 <Qcoder00>	Quick question: Whats the tag you put on a template that isn't subst but may appear unused because it's used for request that are handled rapidly?
May 07 19:45:19 <Hedgehog456>	nor am i :D
May 07 19:46:18 <tommorris>	could an admin do an RFPP for me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFPP "Holly grieg"
May 07 19:47:02 <tommorris>	basically, there's some persistent people recreating the article in order to post BLP violations about someone being a paedophile
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May 07 19:47:13 <Ironholds>	sure
May 07 19:47:45 <tommorris>	if you need more info, I've had some back-and-forth with User:Chzz by e-mail about it
May 07 19:48:28 <Ironholds>	done
May 07 19:48:33 <Ironholds>	want the user in question indeffed?
May 07 19:49:11 <Logan_>	Ironholds: UtherSRG doesn't seem to have taken the hint
May 07 19:49:24 <Ironholds>	Logan_: I'm about to open a thread on him
May 07 19:49:29 <Logan_>	did you see his talk page?
May 07 19:49:36 <Logan_>	he's still A7ing stuff that shouldn't be
May 07 19:49:45 <Logan_>	and he also did an A1 for an article with context
May 07 19:49:49 <Hedgehog456>	URGH
May 07 19:49:58 <Ironholds>	hang on
May 07 19:50:26 <tommorris>	thanks Ironholds
May 07 19:51:02 <Logan_>	brb
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May 07 19:51:13 <tommorris>	wait, thanks Beeblebrox ;-)
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May 07 19:52:43 <Logan_>	back
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May 07 19:52:55 <PeterSymonds>	How wonderful.
May 07 19:53:26 *	Logan_ smacks PeterSymonds over the head with a trout
May 07 19:53:34 <Hedgehog456>	I'm waiting for a dev :S
May 07 19:53:48 <PeterSymonds>	You'll be waiting for some time.
May 07 19:54:01 <Ironholds>	tommorris: no problem
May 07 19:54:04 <Ironholds>	now, read parlabane story
May 07 19:55:12 <GabrielF>	I'm thinking of doing a visualization of IP editors on wikipedia over a day. Basically it would be a time-lapse video of a world map with dots on the map showing edits
May 07 19:55:19 <GabrielF>	similar to this: http://infosthetics.com/archives/2009/12/a_day_in_the_life_of_nytimescom_visualizing_web_traffic_data.html
May 07 19:55:45 <tommorris>	Vince Cable just described the Tories as "ruthless, calculating and tribal". Such a nice way of describing one's coalition partners. ;-)
May 07 19:55:50 <Hedgehog456>	PeterSymonds: I can imagine so. Where are they when you need them and you've just discovered a virus on the WM servers and the sky is falling down etc?
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May 07 19:56:53 <PeterSymonds>	Have you discovered a virus on the WM servers?
May 07 19:57:11 <Hedgehog456>	Google SafeBrowsing: a hidden gem
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May 07 19:57:26 <Hedgehog456>	They found a scripting exploit on upload.
May 07 19:57:28 <PeterSymonds>	Have you tried #wikimedia-tech ?
May 07 19:57:40 <Hedgehog456>	No devs around :(
May 07 19:57:41 <Hedgehog456>	Yes
May 07 19:57:51 <tommorris>	quote from User:Chzz's page -- {{helpme|I'm pregnant}}
May 07 19:57:53 <BarkingFish>	There is, RobH is about, he was helping me with something a few moments ago
May 07 19:58:26 <tommorris>	{{helpme|I'm staring into the abyss and it looks a bit like [[WP:ANI]].}}
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May 07 19:59:54 <Logan_>	Ironholds: where are you opening the thread?
May 07 19:59:59 <Hedgehog456>	{{helpme|Amy Pond is having a time baby ROFLMAO OMG WTF!}}
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May 07 20:01:09 <Ironholds>	Logan_: ANI
May 07 20:01:20 <Ironholds>	just writing my teflon now
May 07 20:01:27 <Qcoder00>	Hedgehog : huh?
May 07 20:01:36 <duggthe>	In a name such as Scrooge Buck McDuck, assuming "Buck" is legally the "middle" name or whatever, what is considered the first name and last name? "Scrooge" is the first name and "McDuck" is the last name? On my ID card issued by the government and a big bank, it says "Scrooge Buck" as the first name (except my names of course) and "McDuck" as last name. Is this done internationally?
May 07 20:01:37 <Logan_>	Ironholds: ok, let me know when it
May 07 20:01:40 <Logan_>	'*it's up
May 07 20:01:46 <Qcoder00>	Wikipedia and scripting ecploits?
May 07 20:01:59 <Logan_>	duggthe: stop trolling
May 07 20:02:28 <duggthe>	Logan_: What the fuck is your problem?
May 07 20:02:39 <Logan_>	heh
May 07 20:02:42 <duggthe>	I'm asking a serious question and you call it "trolling"?
May 07 20:02:54 <Logan_>	I must be an idiot
May 07 20:03:00 <PeterSymonds>	Probably.
May 07 20:03:07 <Hedgehog456>	I concur.
May 07 20:03:19 <Qcoder00>	duggthe:  Please don't swear
May 07 20:03:54 *	Hedgehog456 dials the Swearing Squad from yesterday
May 07 20:04:03 <duggthe>	Not to mention the problems arising when people are called "X von Y" or some Arabic name...
May 07 20:04:12 <Ironholds>	duggthe: hangon, just parsing it
May 07 20:04:23 <Ironholds>	yeah, that's standard
May 07 20:04:34 <Ironholds>	because then you structure it "McDuck, Scrooge Buck"
May 07 20:04:37 <duggthe>	So the full legal "anything before the last name" is considered the first name?
May 07 20:04:50 <Ironholds>	duggthe: well, names are not really legally codified
May 07 20:05:00 <duggthe>	Kat von Dyke is "Kat von" and "Dyke"?
May 07 20:05:00 <Ironholds>	it's like cannibalism - the flavour varies from person to person
May 07 20:05:15 <Ironholds>	duggthe: that'd probably be von Dyke, Kat
May 07 20:05:25 <Ironholds>	because von is a joining word and not an independent name
May 07 20:05:26 <duggthe>	Well, when mining data, you want to keep this consistent so that you can't end up with dupes.
May 07 20:05:28 <Ironholds>	like I said, it's unclear
May 07 20:05:32 <Ironholds>	of course
May 07 20:05:43 <Ironholds>	and so you usually get consistency within a dataset, but not across all datasets
May 07 20:06:07 <duggthe>	Would you say it's safe to use the "first string" of the "first name" to be the first name and then the entire last name as the last name?
May 07 20:06:48 <duggthe>	So when banks do fraud checks or compare input to their records, they don't do if ($var1 == $var2) in their application code, but instead compare how many % similar the two strings are?
May 07 20:07:11 <Qcoder00>	duggthe: And you are asking here because?
May 07 20:07:22 <duggthe>	Because you're unhelpful, Qcoder00.
May 07 20:07:38 <Qcoder00>	duggthe: I am expecting you to apologise
May 07 20:07:42 <tommorris>	look, it's very simple, middle names form part of the given name, and von names are a special case.
May 07 20:07:53 <Qcoder00>	duggthe:  Some context would be helpful
May 07 20:07:54 <Logan_>	duggthe: I still don't get why you're talking about a Disney character
May 07 20:08:03 <Hedgehog456>	Logan_: foobar
May 07 20:08:30 <Hedgehog456>	Logan_: Lorem ipsum
May 07 20:08:32 <Logan_>	but he said that his passport said "Scrooge McDuck"
May 07 20:08:33 <duggthe>	tommorris: How do you know what's a special case? You keep a list of possibly the hundreds of "von" cases?
May 07 20:08:43 <duggthe>	Logan_: Learn how to read.
May 07 20:08:43 <tommorris>	you want some logical implementation of this? BibTeX author name optimization pattern and vCard specification
May 07 20:08:50 <tommorris>	duggthe: basically, yes
May 07 20:08:58 <tommorris>	Names are a gigantic pain-in-the-ass
May 07 20:09:18 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Not to mention Iclelandic and Japanese/Chinese style ones... ;)
May 07 20:09:25 <duggthe>	Social security numbers vary completely between countries..-
May 07 20:09:34 <tommorris>	and Spanish naming conventions
May 07 20:09:52 <duggthe>	Is there an international format for social security numbers? Maybe something like <COUNTRY_CODE>-<STRING-WITH-JUST-NUMBER>
May 07 20:10:11 <Qcoder00>	duggthe: In what context are you asking this?
May 07 20:10:17 <tommorris>	basically, the way you store names is you store a formatted name, then you store family name and given name separately
May 07 20:10:20 <duggthe>	Data mining and comparison context.
May 07 20:10:21 <Qcoder00>	There are programming channel on freenode
May 07 20:10:31 <duggthe>	Has nothing to do with programming.
May 07 20:11:12 <duggthe>	I can only assume that there is extreme inaccuracies in the many outdated, messy datasets out there.
May 07 20:11:18 <duggthe>	*are
May 07 20:11:28 <Qcoder00>	LOL
May 07 20:11:28 <tommorris>	as for names and security, Levenshtein distance seems a bad way of doing it
May 07 20:11:37 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  What is a filemover?
May 07 20:11:43 <Qcoder00>	Saw your comments....
May 07 20:11:48 <tommorris>	Qcoder00: a file mover is a user right on enWP that lets you move files
May 07 20:12:03 <tommorris>	see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:File_mover
May 07 20:12:04 <Qcoder00>	And how does it differ from doing 'Move' on an Image description page?
May 07 20:12:48 <tommorris>	err, because you can't do that unless you've got file mover or sysop
May 07 20:13:28 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Federation_of_European_Motorcyclists_Associations_logo.gif&action=history ?
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May 07 20:13:31 <Qcoder00>	See
May 07 20:13:37 <Qcoder00>	I was able to move a file?
May 07 20:14:02 <Qcoder00>	or is something likley to have broken?
May 07 20:14:06 <tommorris>	Qcoder00: you've got file mover
May 07 20:14:13 <Qcoder00>	Huh?
May 07 20:14:20 <Qcoder00>	I'm the infamous Sfan00_IMG
May 07 20:14:21 <Qcoder00>	LOL
May 07 20:15:05 <Qcoder00>	I thought  until I tried it, that someone had removed it during the last round of moans about image enforcment
May 07 20:15:07 <Qcoder00>	XD
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May 07 20:15:31 <Ironholds>	Logan_: done
May 07 20:15:37 *	Logan_ looks
May 07 20:15:53 <Qcoder00>	My comments about title conventions  was mainly so that there's a clear guidline for renaming Non-free album covers to  <album>-<artist>-<title> type names
May 07 20:15:53 <Ironholds>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AUtherSRG&action=historysubmit&diff=427589615&oldid=427589444
May 07 20:16:01 <Ironholds>	sorry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:UtherSG_refusing_to_get_the_point
May 07 20:16:33 <Logan_>	Ironholds: nice, thanks
May 07 20:17:08 <Ironholds>	Logan_ np
May 07 20:17:22 <Logan_>	Ironholds: I fixed the typos (you wrote UtherSG instead of UtherSRG) :P
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May 07 20:17:48 <Logan_>	oh, I see you did it at the same time :P
May 07 20:18:31 <tommorris>	Ironholds: "forcible tool-removal". oh god. better than forcible tool-insertion I guess
May 07 20:19:08 <tommorris>	Ironholds: the title and username is wrong
May 07 20:19:18 <tommorris>	oh you fixed it
May 07 20:19:20 <Logan_>	tommorris: already fixed
May 07 20:19:41 <tommorris>	yep, was reading it and "hold on, an admin without a user page or user talk - that's weeeird"
May 07 20:19:45 <Ironholds>	tommorris: it sounds like a surgical procedure
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May 07 20:20:30 <Ironholds>	now to sit back and watch my magic teflon rationale go
May 07 20:20:42 *	Ironholds cricks fingers, picks up a book and some chocolate buttons
May 07 20:21:06 <Logan_>	heh
May 07 20:21:13 *	tommorris is ever so slightly in love with OpenLibrary
May 07 20:21:25 <tommorris>	just wish it was more wiki-ish and less database-ish
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May 07 20:22:25 <Logan_>	Ironholds: justice will be served
May 07 20:22:40 <Logan_>	(I hope)
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May 07 20:24:04 <geniice>	tommorris and yet we have people wanting wikipedia to be more database-ish
May 07 20:24:29 <geniice>	whats the templates for saying that an article contains significant factual errors?
May 07 20:24:52 <geniice>	you know like {{NPOV}} but for facts
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May 07 20:25:34 <LauraHale>	Anyone awake and willing to be my Wikipedia therapist? :/
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May 07 20:25:46 <Ryulong>	wut
May 07 20:26:07 <Ironholds>	Logan_: a user I was rapping on the knuckles once said that I could quote "make an apology for speeding look like a fucking genocide admission. You just put teflon arguments up and the truth slides off"
May 07 20:26:11 <Ironholds>	I take that as a compliment
May 07 20:26:19 <Ironholds>	now, if only I didn't hate crim law so much
May 07 20:26:37 <Logan_>	hahaha, that's awesome
May 07 20:26:44 <Ironholds>	LauraHale: sure
May 07 20:26:56 <Ironholds>	Logan_: well, I really dislike criminal law, so it's never taking me anywhere
May 07 20:27:07 <Ironholds>	I'm a mean bastard with a way of twisting words. To the church!
May 07 20:27:11 <Logan_>	which type of law do you study?
May 07 20:27:53 <Logan_>	geniice: {{disputed}}
May 07 20:28:34 <Qcoder00>	Logan_: Ironholds is a civil person, except when people present him with a bad argument ;)
May 07 20:29:01 <Ironholds>	hah
May 07 20:29:17 <Ironholds>	Logan_: constitutional and administrative law is my personal area of preference
May 07 20:29:20 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ironholds - re: UtherSRG - what do you think the odds are that his account has been compromised?
May 07 20:29:23 <Ironholds>	with requisite forays into human rights
May 07 20:29:25 <Logan_>	ok
May 07 20:29:29 <Ironholds>	Dragonfly6-7: relatively low
May 07 20:29:32 <Ironholds>	but I did consider it
May 07 20:29:33 <Logan_>	Dragonfly6-7: slim to none
May 07 20:30:07 <tommorris>	speaking of bad arguments, I heard what I took to be a really shit argument on a podcast. I was all wired up on the train ready to write a blog post ripping the living shit out of it. then I relistened to the segment and saw that it was just wrong, rather than egregiously stupid and logically unsound as I had thought. I was slightly disappointed as I wouldn't get a chance to throw shit at stupid people.
May 07 20:30:14 <Logan_>	O_O
May 07 20:30:49 <tommorris>	geniice: I was more thinking on OpenLibrary, it would be awesome for non-fiction books to say that chapter whatever of book B was a response to the thesis of book A, and thus build up a web of books in dialogue with one another
May 07 20:30:56 *	tommorris wants that kind of thing so badly
May 07 20:31:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	tommorris - what do you think of [[William P. Spratling]] ?
May 07 20:31:39 <tommorris>	Dragonfly6-7: the guy or the article?
May 07 20:32:17 <Dragonfly6-7>	the article
May 07 20:32:36 <Qcoder00>	Dragonfly6-7
May 07 20:32:42 <geniice>	tommorris heh you mean stuff like it's not entirely coincidental that of two books covering german mindget submarines one has a chapter called "gotterdammerung" and the other "twilight of the gods"
May 07 20:32:54 <Qcoder00>	Dragonfly6-7:  Can you see deleted page histories?
May 07 20:33:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	Qcoder00 - yes, all administrators can see deleted page histories (barring oversight).
May 07 20:33:15 <tommorris>	Dragonfly6-7: looks like an okay stub
May 07 20:33:18 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sfan00_IMG#Speedy_deletion_declined - I have had some suggested I tagged a cat that shouldn;t have been?
May 07 20:33:28 <Dragonfly6-7>	okay, let me look
May 07 20:33:30 <tommorris>	but then I don't really know much about the history of neurology
May 07 20:33:42 <Qcoder00>	And I'd like to confirm what they say is correct
May 07 20:34:19 *	Dragonfly6-7 shrugs. I'm honestly not very familiar with the deletion criteria for categories.
May 07 20:34:43 <Qcoder00>	The conern was that the category concerned was a 'Category Redirect'
May 07 20:35:04 <Qcoder00>	And I do NOT recall noticing anything saying it was when I tagged it
May 07 20:35:21 *	Dragonfly6-7 shrugs. I'm honestly not very familiar with the deletion criteria for categories.
May 07 20:35:48 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Terraria - possibe IP that doesn't get it  :(
May 07 20:36:54 <Logan_>	Qcoder00: look at the tag
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May 07 20:37:04 <Dragonfly6-7>	gone
May 07 20:37:07 <Qcoder00>	On what?
May 07 20:37:12 <Logan_>	oh wait, nvm
May 07 20:38:54 <Logan_>	Dragonfly6-7: you forgot the talk page
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May 07 20:39:40 <tommorris>	hmm. wondering if it would be possible to write a legal licence which is basically a 'Wikipedia licence'. It would allow any registered user on any Wikimedia Foundation project to copy a work without attribution and place it on a Wikimedia Foundation site under the appropriate licence used on that site.
May 07 20:40:07 <geniice>	yes but it would be undesirable
May 07 20:40:17 <tommorris>	it'd be like the CC BY-SA licence, but without the BY or SA requirements of having to point back to the original source
May 07 20:40:20 <geniice>	hmm usefel as an essy
May 07 20:40:22 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geni/WW2_sourcing_issues
May 07 20:40:59 <tommorris>	basically, if I'm publishing something under BY-SA but don't care about Wikipedia linking back to me as a source, but want other people to do so
May 07 20:41:00 <geniice>	?
May 07 20:41:10 <geniice>	tommorris it could be done but it makes tracing stuff a pain
May 07 20:42:06 <tommorris>	I mean, currently, when someone ports an article from another site like Citizendium back to WP (it does happen very rarely!) they have to put a little banner at the bottom saying that it contains material from CZ
May 07 20:42:57 <geniice>	there are other ways of doing it but yes
May 07 20:43:01 <tommorris>	but if I were running my own site where I publish my own notes and ideas on a wiki, and licensing those as CC BY-SA, I might also have a thing saying that registered Wikimedians can use them as if they were public domain
May 07 20:43:38 <tommorris>	I could just do a public domain grant...
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May 07 20:44:20 <tommorris>	but in essence, this would be simply a "under these limited circumstances, you can have a copy of this without the attribution licence if the only thing you do with it is to republish it on a site with a free licencing policy like [limited list of sites... those from WMF]"
May 07 20:44:54 <tommorris>	other people *could* use it under ordianry CC BY-SA terms but Wikimedians could use it without having to put in tedious attribution templates and other such crap
May 07 20:45:08 <geniice>	technicaly possible but messy
May 07 20:45:19 <geniice>	and frankly the world doesn't need any more licenses
May 07 20:45:25 <tommorris>	true dat
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May 07 20:46:00 <tommorris>	although I am a big fan of the AGPL and wish more people would use it.
May 07 20:46:22 <tommorris>	I don't like that web apps have become a way of escaping the spirit of the GPL.
May 07 20:46:27 <Qcoder00>	What's AGPL?
May 07 20:46:36 <tommorris>	Affero GPL
May 07 20:46:59 <Qcoder00>	Oh you mean the , if you use  'free' stuff to run a web service,  you have to give away your business model to others
May 07 20:47:00 <tommorris>	it's like the GPL but it is for web apps. If you modify the web app and host your own version you have to release your modifications
May 07 20:47:26 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: that sounds rubbish
May 07 20:47:30 <tommorris>	Fuck your business model.
May 07 20:47:35 <tommorris>	The world is not set up to make you money.
May 07 20:47:50 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  You in favour of  AFGPL communism by the back door?
May 07 20:47:52 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: What if I just wanted to make a minor tweak to something?
May 07 20:47:52 <tommorris>	I'm fucking fed up with everyone going around looking at everything saying "how does this make you money"?
May 07 20:48:01 <Hedgehog456>	Would I have to publish it?
May 07 20:48:13 <tommorris>	My kittens don't make me money. My kittens make me happy. Try it. Happiness is a good thing.
May 07 20:48:27 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: Same for mah puppeh. :)
May 07 20:48:31 <tommorris>	If that makes me an evil Commie, so fucking be it.
May 07 20:48:55 <juxindawoods>	commiemism! inteewebkitteh powa
May 07 20:49:03 <Logan_>	Ironholds: DMacks replied at ANI - he said to take it to RfC.
May 07 20:49:08 <tommorris>	The AGPL prevents certain business models. But so does the GPL. And a good fucking thing too.
May 07 20:49:11 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: It's not until you start goose-stepping that you get called an evil Commie.
May 07 20:49:55 <tommorris>	If the whole world was only about making money, we'd decriminalise murder and have a flourishing hitman-for-hire industry.
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May 07 20:50:08 <juxindawoods>	a little commiemism every now and then is not a bad thing... wouldn't want to found an economic model on it though..
May 07 20:50:09 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  So you want under AFGPL people to be able to figure out from the source code how you encrypt stuff ?
May 07 20:50:28 <Qcoder00>	Which is what you'd have to do if you modified the code to do secure transactions
May 07 20:50:46 <tommorris>	no, your encryption keys are not part of the source code.
May 07 20:51:01 <tommorris>	just as your porn stash is not part of Debian fucking Linux.
May 07 20:51:05 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Oh really?
May 07 20:51:15 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: DON'T INSULT DEBIAN
May 07 20:51:37 <Qcoder00>	I suppose you are right... and any encryption that hard codes keys is inherently insecure... ;)
May 07 20:51:38 <Hedgehog456>	Debian is the core foundation for a new generation of GNU/Linux OSes.
May 07 20:51:50 <tommorris>	I wasn't actually insulting Debian.
May 07 20:51:52 *	tommorris uses Debian
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May 07 20:52:39 <geniice>	anyway does this have any use as an essay? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geni/WW2_sourcing_issues
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May 07 20:53:14 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: Oh. Sorry. :P
May 07 20:54:01 <Yetanotherx>	Oh look, it's tommorris
May 07 20:54:29 <Yetanotherx>	I can't even remember why I follow you on Twitter, but I guessed it had something to do with Wikipedia. :)
May 07 20:55:40 <tommorris>	Yetanotherx: heh. I should talk about Wikipedia on Twitter more.
May 07 20:55:50 <tommorris>	But when I do, normal people start complaining about all the acronyms
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May 07 20:56:43 <tommorris>	nice, Wiktionary has "fucking" as an infix intensifier: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-fucking-
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May 07 20:57:14 <tommorris>	only two listed English infixes though: -fucking- and -bloody-
May 07 20:58:03 <Qcoder00>	I wonder what Johnson would have made of that
May 07 20:58:42 <Qcoder00>	BTW Any admins awake - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Media_files_requiring_de-merge Backlog building?
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May 07 21:09:53 <Ironholds>	tommorris: Brion is currently rebuilding the whole architecture from scratch
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May 07 21:14:17 <tommorris>	ah, I know why my #if logic isn't working: haven't turned on ParserFunctions ;-)
May 07 21:14:48 *	tommorris suddenly remembers that his wiki is not Wikipedia
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May 07 21:18:14 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Outside_of_this.jpg - Thoughts?
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May 07 21:20:33 <MacMed>	Qcoder00: it's an album cover? :P
May 07 21:20:44 <Qcoder00>	Yes
May 07 21:20:49 <Qcoder00>	But it's tagged as FAL
May 07 21:21:18 <MacMed>	uhm
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May 07 21:21:39 <MacMed>	change it and leave a note asking the uploader if they can show where the artist declares it FAL
May 07 21:21:59 <tommorris>	holy fuck, they've just banned the chief drama queen from Citizendium.
May 07 21:22:11 <Logan_>	Larry Sanger?
May 07 21:22:13 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Whose that?
May 07 21:22:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	no, Larry quit
May 07 21:22:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	quite a while back
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May 07 21:22:49 <Qcoder00>	And whose the chief drama queen on Citizendium anyway?
May 07 21:22:52 <tommorris>	Martin Baldwin-Edwards
May 07 21:22:58 <Dragonfly6-7>	what did he do?
May 07 21:23:03 <tommorris>	I'm not totally sure
May 07 21:23:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	to earn a) the title of CDQ and b) a ban
May 07 21:24:05 <Qcoder00>	Well it's not like they've found someone was secretly paying suvialance teams out of CREP funds is it?
May 07 21:24:17 <Qcoder00>	*survailance
May 07 21:24:25 <tommorris>	all I know is that he once sent an e-mail to a bunch of people saying that I was "trying to spread his ideas". only he forgot I was on the CC line.
May 07 21:24:26 <Dragonfly6-7>	'surveillance'
May 07 21:24:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	... wait, he accused you of trying to help him?
May 07 21:24:48 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  You are active on Citizendium?
May 07 21:24:54 <tommorris>	occasionally
May 07 21:25:04 <tommorris>	I go there and create stubs when I'm feeling really bored
May 07 21:25:16 <tommorris>	mostly to see if it might prod them into actually doing something
May 07 21:25:19 <Qcoder00>	Looking for stuff to   lif^H^H^H import back into Wikipedia?
May 07 21:25:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	tommorris - MBE  accused you of 'trying to spread MBE's ideas" ?
May 07 21:25:48 <tommorris>	no, of trying to spread my own ideas
May 07 21:26:00 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah
May 07 21:27:11 <tommorris>	he's been indef blocked with reason "Extremely offensive insults or personal attacks; direct and harsh attacks on the moral character, or personal or professional credibility of a project member."
May 07 21:28:06 <Qcoder00>	At least it's only CZ they got blocked from...  I mean getting blocked from CP sends you to hell....
May 07 21:28:06 <juxindawoods>	yeah.. I'l have three of those.
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May 07 21:29:15 <tommorris>	and he's started a thread to moan about it - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki_talk:What_is_going_on_at_Citizendium%3F#Fascism_rules_OK - he's the IP editor
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May 07 21:30:18 <Ironholds>	Logan_: ANI. Comment on it!
May 07 21:30:26 <Ironholds>	tommorris, your input as an outsider would also be appreciated
May 07 21:30:56 <tommorris>	the same one as earlier
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May 07 21:32:00 <tommorris>	Ironholds: is it going to go to RfC? seems rather pointless. just some ANI bollocking and a "I won't do it again Mr Ironholds" would be fine rather than an RfC
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May 07 21:32:46 <tommorris>	or indeed a few months of not doing newpages/CSD
May 07 21:32:48 <Dragonfly6-7>	well, Citizendium *does* have horrible problems
May 07 21:32:58 <Logan_>	tommorris: he should be desysopped
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May 07 21:33:31 <MacMed>	Logan_: good thing we have an efficient process to take the bit away!
May 07 21:33:44 <Logan_>	maybe transfer it to me ;)
May 07 21:33:52 <MacMed>	heheh
May 07 21:33:57 <tommorris>	Dragonfly6-7: imho, they've just fixed the biggest one.
May 07 21:34:24 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh, and Ironholds - when you notoified me that there was an AN/I mess involving me, it made me nervous.
May 07 21:34:30 <Dragonfly6-7>	"what the fuck is someone bitching about NOW"
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May 07 21:40:00 <Ironholds>	heh
May 07 21:41:03 <Peter-C>	OMG Ironholds
May 07 21:41:06 *	Peter-C glomps Ironholds
May 07 21:41:07 <Peter-C>	RAGE
May 07 21:41:34 <Ironholds>	whee, my kindle arrives on monday
May 07 21:41:36 <Ironholds>	hey, Peter-C
May 07 21:41:36 <tommorris>	Ironholds: not sure how I can participate in the ANI thread until UtherSRG responds
May 07 21:41:43 <tommorris>	Ironholds: you getting the 3G one?
May 07 21:41:46 <MacMed>	Ironholds: i love my kindle
May 07 21:41:46 <Ironholds>	tommorris: in which case nobody will ever respond ;p
May 07 21:41:48 <Ironholds>	yeah, of course
May 07 21:42:06 <Peter-C>	I'm ordering my Kindle on Monday :O
May 07 21:42:10 <Ironholds>	MacMed: I was all "fuck buying it, I am not some hips- wait, you mean I could get the ENTIRE WORKS OF KANT, SCHOPENHAUER AND ALL THE RUSSIAN GREATS FOR FREE?!"
May 07 21:42:24 <Ironholds>	also I realised it meant I could save money on buying books I use to write WP articles
May 07 21:42:36 <MacMed>	books are SO cheap
May 07 21:42:37 <tommorris>	I'm quite angry. I've got a Chinese e-book knockoff that I bought ages ago and it cost me more than the 3G kindles do
May 07 21:42:50 <Ironholds>	and I realised that when you have to weigh "I want this book" against "I have no more room in my house for bookcases", something has to change
May 07 21:42:51 <Peter-C>	O_o
May 07 21:43:06 <Ironholds>	I have WP books stacked three-deep and two-high
May 07 21:43:16 <Ironholds>	and even then I'm doing the ol' "horizontal balancing" act on some
May 07 21:43:18 <Peter-C>	meters?
May 07 21:43:24 <Ironholds>	..sure
May 07 21:43:42 <Peter-C>	Dude. I need to show pic of my dads library.
May 07 21:43:57 <Peter-C>	He gave up on bookshelves years ago
May 07 21:44:15 <Ironholds>	get meh pictcha
May 07 21:44:15 <Logan_>	Ironholds: are you getting the "We're selling enough Kindles, so we may as well sell more by putting ads on them and cutting $50 off the price?" one?
May 07 21:44:29 <Ironholds>	Logan_: nope. the latest, swanky, 3G one
May 07 21:44:29 <tommorris>	ads?
May 07 21:44:37 <Ironholds>	cost me 150 quid, I think
May 07 21:44:55 <Addihockey10>	Should I get the iPhone 4 or iPhone 5?
May 07 21:45:03 <tommorris>	I'd wait for the iPhone 7
May 07 21:45:08 <Addihockey10>	>_>
May 07 21:45:09 <Logan_>	^
May 07 21:45:16 <Ironholds>	Addihockey10: get the 4
May 07 21:45:20 <Logan_>	I heard that it has Steve Jobs's face on it
May 07 21:45:23 <Ironholds>	the 5's release date has been pushed back
May 07 21:45:24 <Logan_>	makes it all the more appealing
May 07 21:45:27 <Ironholds>	also, the 4 is AWESOME
May 07 21:45:30 <Logan_>	no it's not
May 07 21:45:33 <Logan_>	it's a piece of crap
May 07 21:45:37 <Ironholds>	...take that back
May 07 21:45:37 <Addihockey10>	Ironholds: If I wanted to get it for not 800$
May 07 21:45:39 <Logan_>	Android FTW
May 07 21:45:43 <MacMed>	Ironholds: when is 5 supposed to come out
May 07 21:45:48 <MacMed>	Logan_: blackberry
May 07 21:45:51 <Logan_>	MacMed: no
May 07 21:45:54 <MacMed>	heh
May 07 21:45:58 <Logan_>	their OS is severely outdated
May 07 21:46:00 <MacMed>	me want iphone though
May 07 21:46:04 <MacMed>	oh its awful
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May 07 21:46:05 <Addihockey10>	I'd have to wait until Septemberish 2012 to get it for around 100$
May 07 21:46:08 <Logan_>	and iOS is awful
May 07 21:46:10 <Ironholds>	MacMed: it WAS june, then they pushed it to September, and then a week ago the latest HOLY SHIT, APPLE'S CHINESE WORKERS ARE TREATED LIKE DOGS scandal came out
May 07 21:46:18 <Addihockey10>	No...
May 07 21:46:28 <tommorris>	cue Android vs. iOS dick-waving contest, a stupidity-fest even less interesting than desktop OS dick-waving contests.
May 07 21:46:29 <MacMed>	***ALL CHINESE WORKERS ARE TREATED LIKE DOGS
May 07 21:46:31 <Ironholds>	Addihockey10: I'd either get the 4 now, or get the 4 when the 5 comes out (it'll be dirt-cheap)
May 07 21:46:35 <Logan_>	tommorris: heh
May 07 21:46:40 <Ironholds>	tommorris: may I give my perspective and then shut up
May 07 21:46:52 <Addihockey10>	Ironholds: All of the sony cameras that were produced for the iPhone 5 were destroyed in the Japan tsunami
May 07 21:46:58 <Addihockey10>	That's why they're pushed back...
May 07 21:47:07 <Logan_>	Addihockey10: along with Apple
May 07 21:47:09 <Addihockey10>	and earthquake...
May 07 21:47:19 <Logan_>	(I wish)
May 07 21:47:31 *	tommorris is thinking about learning to code for Android as he knows Java and can't be fucked with Objective-C.
May 07 21:47:38 <Addihockey10>	I have to wait until September 2012 to get the carrier discount price...;
May 07 21:47:47 <Ironholds>	I do not care which is better. I have an iphone. I like my iphone. It does all the things I want a phone to do. I do not have an Android, and therefore do not care (a) what it can do or (b) whether it's better than the iphone. If you wish to give me a free Android so I can compare, be my fucking guest.
May 07 21:47:49 <Logan_>	tommorris: yes, do it
May 07 21:47:58 <Logan_>	Ironholds: okay, I respect that
May 07 21:48:03 <Addihockey10>	Ironholds: I have no ide
May 07 21:48:05 <Addihockey10>	idea
May 07 21:48:06 <Logan_>	but you don't know what you're missing out on
May 07 21:48:07 <Addihockey10>	but...
May 07 21:48:10 *	tommorris would like a free Android phone for testing.
May 07 21:48:20 *	tommorris should probably blackmail a Google employee for a Nexus
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May 07 21:48:28 <Addihockey10>	I think it's possible there could be a Android tweak on cydia? I have no idea though
May 07 21:48:29 <Ironholds>	Logan_: nor do starving african children know what caviar tastes like, but telling them that is hardly helpful
May 07 21:48:31 <Logan_>	tommorris: what's your address? :P
May 07 21:48:40 <tommorris>	Logan_: you serious? ;-)
May 07 21:48:42 <Logan_>	just kidding, I only have two
May 07 21:48:47 <Ironholds>	Logan_: put it this way. Lets say I have a brand new BMW and you have a slightly-older-than-brand-new BMW.
May 07 21:49:11 <Logan_>	ok, following
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May 07 21:49:13 <Ironholds>	why the fuck should you care that my BMW is shinier if yours still gets you places, fast?
May 07 21:49:24 <Ironholds>	particularly since my iphone was free. your android was not.
May 07 21:49:34 <Ironholds>	I therefore win all dick-waving "IT'S MORE EFFICIENT" contests.
May 07 21:49:44 <Logan_>	I could've gotten my phone for $0.01
May 07 21:49:53 <Logan_>	but I wanted it immediately, so I got it in the store for $99 :P
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May 07 21:50:01 *	Logan_ fails at impatience
May 07 21:50:10 <Ironholds>	I can phone people. I can use t'internet. I can play games, convert units, find my way around a town and use the vibrate function as a back massager. I can even use it to play music.
May 07 21:50:31 <Peter-C>	Ironholds - Where do you want the pic?
May 07 21:50:31 <Logan_>	oh, and how's the call quality?
May 07 21:50:39 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: email em?
May 07 21:50:43 <Ironholds>	Logan_: perfectly fine, thanks
May 07 21:50:53 <Peter-C>	Give me your email bitch
May 07 21:50:53 <Logan_>	I tested an iPhone 4 on Verizon in the US
May 07 21:51:00 <Logan_>	so much static...
May 07 21:51:07 <Ironholds>	as far as I'm concerned, the only distinction worth noting between the iPhone and Android is that the iPhone is powered by electricity, while the Android is powered by the self-indulgent smugness of its user.
May 07 21:51:08 <Logan_>	then I tried the Samsung Continuum, an Android phone
May 07 21:51:10 <Logan_>	no static at all
May 07 21:51:14 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: scire.facias@gmail.com
May 07 21:51:17 <Ironholds>	Logan_: fail.
May 07 21:51:20 <Logan_>	being perfectly objective here
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May 07 21:51:29 <Ironholds>	Logan_: just to check, you're neither a statistician nor a lawyer, right?
May 07 21:51:33 <Logan_>	I think that the iPhone 4 is decent (I take back the "crap" comment)
May 07 21:51:36 <Logan_>	but, it fails as a phone
May 07 21:51:42 <Ironholds>	because your last argument had a gaping hole in it
May 07 21:52:01 <Logan_>	so if you're getting an iPhone, you might as well get a phone that has good call quality
May 07 21:52:03 <Ironholds>	let me translate what you just said
May 07 21:52:14 <tommorris>	I do love that. "Unlike all those idiots who are buying the X because it's popular, I'll buy Y because it's not X." Congratu-fucking-lations. Why not buy things because they are good and serve your need rather than to make a counterpoint to some perception of mainstream vs. underdog or whatever.
May 07 21:52:44 <Logan_>	tommorris: I gave the iPhone 4 a chance
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May 07 21:53:01 <Logan_>	I didn't just get Android for the sake of it not being an iPhone
May 07 21:53:07 *	tommorris uses the shitty Sony-Ericsson phone he won in a programming contest a few years ago.
May 07 21:53:14 <Logan_>	I happen to like Android OS a lot more than iOS due to customizability
May 07 21:53:20 *	LauraHale wants an iPhone 4
May 07 21:53:22 <barts1a>	There are better options than the iPhone now
May 07 21:53:39 <tommorris>	I tried the Xoom recently and it's pretty nice.
May 07 21:53:46 <Ironholds>	Logan_: what you just said
May 07 21:53:47 <Ironholds>	"iphones are worse than [phones with operating system] because I tried an iphone and a single of the many phone variants with [operating system] and the call quality on the non iPhone was better, which proves [operating system] rocks, even though I cannot prove (a) that the iOS is the source of the issue or (b) that the same comparison is valid for any other phone with [operating system]"
May 07 21:53:47 <Logan_>	I flashed a modded ROM onto my phone, and now it's so much faster :D
May 07 21:53:48 <Peter-C>	Ironholds - sent
May 07 21:54:21 <Ironholds>	it's like saying "Ironholds is better at arguing than Peter-C. Ironholds is British, Peter-C is american. alyxuk is also British, therefore he will also be better than Peter-C"
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May 07 21:54:25 <Logan_>	Ironholds: meh, I get the logical fallacy, but you see my point
May 07 21:54:41 <Ironholds>	Logan_: that one phone model which happens to have Android running is better than the iPhone? yes
May 07 21:54:47 <Peter-C>	I AM BETTER THAN IRONHOLDS IN EVERY SINGLE WAY
May 07 21:54:49 <Logan_>	multiple Android phones
May 07 21:54:59 <Logan_>	I tried the Droid Incredible, Samsung Continuum, and Samsung Fascinate
May 07 21:55:03 <tommorris>	Peter-C: even genocide?
May 07 21:55:03 <Logan_>	all had better call quality
May 07 21:55:05 <Ironholds>	but quite frankly if you want to take the attitude that having the best of the best is worth arguing over you're merely proving Schopenhaer right
May 07 21:55:28 <Logan_>	that doesn't necessarily connote that Android is better, but it does show that the iPhone 4 has call-quality issues
May 07 21:55:37 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: nice!
May 07 21:55:45 <Peter-C>	My pics?
May 07 21:55:48 <Ironholds>	if I get this SF job, I'm shipping all my books over and filling the place with bookcases
May 07 21:55:49 <Ironholds>	yeah
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May 07 21:55:55 <Peter-C>	:)
May 07 21:56:02 <Logan_>	meh, enough on that topic :P
May 07 21:56:06 <Peter-C>	The pics are shit
May 07 21:56:08 <Peter-C>	The room is small
May 07 21:56:11 <tommorris>	I don't get the smartphone thing. Why do I want this redundant phone thing on my Internet machine? ;-)
May 07 21:56:23 <Peter-C>	I had to cut the top halfs of the bookcases off
May 07 21:56:25 <Peter-C>	:(
May 07 21:56:30 <Logan_>	Ironholds: I'll admit that my phone has sucky battery life, though, compared to the iPhone 4 :P
May 07 21:57:09 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: heh
May 07 21:57:10 <Ironholds>	it's still neat
May 07 21:57:12 <tommorris>	telephony is an legacy layer used to communicate with people who don't understand the benefits of the Internet.
May 07 21:57:23 <tommorris>	s/an/a/g
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May 07 21:57:31 <Ironholds>	tommorris: so is your face
May 07 21:57:43 <derp>	yay
May 07 21:57:48 <Peter-C>	Ironholds - As a lawyer you will be expected to have a lot of books
May 07 21:57:50 <derp>	free insults flying from Ironholds's mouth.
May 07 21:57:54 <Logan_>	derpity derp derp
May 07 21:57:56 <Peter-C>	So keep a lot at your office
May 07 21:58:11 <tommorris>	fuck big law books. stick 'em all on an e-book reader
May 07 21:58:16 <Peter-C>	(the ones you won't read)
May 07 21:58:26 <derp>	They're just there to impress.
May 07 21:58:29 <Peter-C>	^
May 07 21:58:30 <derp>	Howdy Ironholds :)
May 07 21:58:31 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: yeah, two slight problems there
May 07 21:58:37 <Ironholds>	1) I doubt I'm going to go into practise
May 07 21:58:40 <tommorris>	seriously, you want a 900 page torts textbook rather than a big file with a search function?
May 07 21:58:43 <Ironholds>	and 2) I read so many books that's not an issue :p
May 07 21:58:49 <Ironholds>	tommorris: of course!
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May 07 21:58:57 <Peter-C>	tommorris - yes
May 07 21:58:58 <tommorris>	you can smack people upside the head with it
May 07 21:58:59 <Ironholds>	If I didn't have that I'd have to buy an actual doorstop, for gods sakes
May 07 21:59:09 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 07 21:59:10 *	derp huggles Hedgehog456 tightly
May 07 21:59:10 <Ironholds>	anyway, to the shops!
May 07 21:59:15 <derp>	Toodles!
May 07 21:59:15 <derp>	<3
May 07 21:59:19 <Hedgehog456>	Sorry I was gone earlier
May 07 21:59:19 <Peter-C>	Bye :)
May 07 21:59:26 <Hedgehog456>	Bye
May 07 21:59:28 <tommorris>	I have to say, I don't miss large programming manuals at all
May 07 21:59:30 <Peter-C>	I want the textbook, I can mark it up, navigate fast
May 07 21:59:36 *	barts1a is hungry
May 07 21:59:36 *	Hedgehog456 puts on a disguise
May 07 21:59:36 *	derp wonders what kind of abuse he will do to Peter-C
May 07 21:59:38 <Peter-C>	Have exact page numbers
May 07 21:59:42 *	Hedgehog456 is now known as Hedgy|Disguised
May 07 21:59:46 <tommorris>	PDF files have exact page numbers
May 07 21:59:49 <Peter-C>	Not sexual abuse I hope
May 07 21:59:51 <tommorris>	you can markup PDF files
May 07 21:59:51 *	derp feeds barts1a some montreal style smoked meat.
May 07 21:59:58 <Peter-C>	tommorris - but the screens
May 07 22:00:01 <tommorris>	but most importantly, you can Ctrl+F
May 07 22:00:02 <Peter-C>	The text size can be changed
May 07 22:00:09 *	derp gets his baby powder bottle and smears his hands with baby powder.
May 07 22:00:09 *	derp pimpslaps Peter-C.
May 07 22:00:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	Peter-C - you will be subjected to facial [[degloving]]
May 07 22:00:22 <Peter-C>	I like textbooks that are physical and on the internet
May 07 22:00:23 *	barts1a is hungrier now
May 07 22:00:28 <Dragonfly6-7>	and then pushed into a vat of salt
May 07 22:00:35 <Peter-C>	Dragonfly6-7 - I thought degloving was limited to the arm
May 07 22:00:42 <tommorris>	and more importantly, if there's a mistake, the publisher can release a new copy of the PDF file and you download the fucker, rather than covering the thing in sticky notes
May 07 22:00:44 <Peter-C>	Mutilation?
May 07 22:00:48 *	Hedgy|Disguised is now known as Hedgehog456
May 07 22:01:03 <Hedgehog456>	derp: I thought you'd fall for that :P
May 07 22:01:14 <tommorris>	my Java manual has sticky notes with URLs on them pointing to how various bits of code don't work or use deprecated interfaces. really, this is stupid
May 07 22:01:15 <derp>	:P
May 07 22:01:16 <Peter-C>	Ah! You mean avulsion!
May 07 22:01:23 <Peter-C>	You want to avulse my face!
May 07 22:01:26 *	barts1a curses the small iPod touch keyboard
May 07 22:02:05 <derp>	barts1a, jailbroken?
May 07 22:02:32 <barts1a>	Duh
May 07 22:03:30 <barts1a>	Translation: Yes
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May 07 22:05:46 <Addihockey10>	Ironholds: You got an iphone for free?
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May 07 22:06:05 <Addihockey10>	Ironholds: Get me one :D we're friends!!
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May 07 22:06:34 *	derp bought a white iPhone today
May 07 22:06:35 <derp>	:P
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May 07 22:06:47 <Hedgehog456>	There are two guards.
May 07 22:06:54 <Hedgehog456>	One lies, one tells the truth.
May 07 22:07:01 <derp>	and the third derps.
May 07 22:07:07 *	barts1a really needs to upgrade from the 2nd gen
May 07 22:07:12 <Hedgehog456>	One guards a door that will lead you to life, the other to death.
May 07 22:07:14 <geniice>	tommorris yes but what If I want to cover things with sticky notes?
May 07 22:07:22 <Hedgehog456>	You can ask one of the guards one question.
May 07 22:07:26 <derp>	barts1a, you should :P
May 07 22:07:27 <Hedgehog456>	What is it?
May 07 22:07:32 <geniice>	<Hedgehog456 ask one guard what the over guard will say
May 07 22:07:45 *	Hedgehog456 applauds geniice 
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May 07 22:07:46 <derp>	Are you telling the truth to the guard that lie
May 07 22:07:59 *	barts1a doesn't have the money
May 07 22:08:11 <derp>	Who wants a cherry cola?
May 07 22:08:16 *	Barras is now known as Ranon
May 07 22:08:18 <Addihockey10>	derp: Me
May 07 22:08:20 <Addihockey10>	I was first
May 07 22:08:22 <Addihockey10>	I get it.
May 07 22:08:28 *	derp gives barts1a a job
May 07 22:08:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	"Given that I'm holding a gun to your head and you're walking through that door ahead of me, which door do YOU PERSONALLY choose?
May 07 22:08:44 <Qcoder00>	Hedgehog456: Don't get me started about guardian puzzles
May 07 22:09:16 *	barts1a is probably going to be working soon
May 07 22:10:15 <barts1a>	Patterson's Securities. Good entry-level workplace
May 07 22:10:27 *	Dragonfly6-7 remembers the guardian puzzle from [[Kingdom of Loathing]]
May 07 22:10:51 <Dragonfly6-7>	one guard always tells the truth, one guard always lies, one guard alternates between telling the truth and lying, and one guard craves the taste of human flesh.
May 07 22:11:23 *	barts1a avoids thec4th
May 07 22:11:37 <barts1a>	*the 4th
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May 07 22:12:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	barts1a - oh, and you don't get to ask them. Instead, you have to hide in the background and listen to them talk amongst themselves about what's behind each door.
May 07 22:12:57 <Dragonfly6-7>	and abotu each other's reliability
May 07 22:13:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	"You're lying." "No, YOU'RE lying." "Graaaaaaargh."
May 07 22:13:08 <barts1a>	hmm...
May 07 22:13:36 <barts1a>	Are they all guarding a door?
May 07 22:14:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	they're sitting around a table playing bridge. The doors are in the background.
May 07 22:14:07 <Dragonfly6-7>	and the doors are numbered
May 07 22:14:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	and they're referring to the doors by their numbers
May 07 22:14:54 <barts1a>	Tricky...
May 07 22:15:23 <Dragonfly6-7>	Intensely so, yes
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May 07 22:15:39 <Randomguy76>	I forgot my last nick # so I changed to this one
May 07 22:16:54 *	barts1a derps and picks door 3
May 07 22:16:54 *	derp barts1as and picks door 3
May 07 22:17:02 <Dragonfly6-7>	barts1a - ah, here's the puzzle. It's not picking a door, it's figuring out the 4-digit combination.
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May 07 22:17:14 <Logan_>	4921
May 07 22:17:22 <barts1a>	derp: is that automated?
May 07 22:17:29 <derp>	no :)
May 07 22:17:59 <Dragonfly6-7>	http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Deciphering_the_Door_Code
May 07 22:18:01 <barts1a>	It's damn quick eitherway
May 07 22:18:18 *	derp has psychic powers.
May 07 22:18:23 *	Dragonfly6-7 decapitates derp eth 3498ge w3698 7 agf0 unterdernlinderw
May 07 22:18:24 *	derp decapitates Dragonfly6-7 eth 3498ge w3698 7 agf0 unterdernlinderw
May 07 22:18:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	derp, turn that script off. Now.
May 07 22:18:44 *	barts1a calls derp an idiot
May 07 22:18:44 *	derp calls barts1a an idiot
May 07 22:19:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	barts1a - don't egg him on.
May 07 22:19:34 <barts1a>	It's fun! :P
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May 07 22:20:14 *	barts1a gives derp a cookie
May 07 22:20:27 *	derp gives barts1a a toilet.
May 07 22:20:39 *	tommorris is doing some basic Objective C exercises despite being frickin' knackered.
May 07 22:21:02 *	barts1a demands a refund after blocking it
May 07 22:21:03 <derp>	tommorris, for what?
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May 07 22:21:09 <Shirik>	ew
May 07 22:21:11 <Shirik>	objective c?
May 07 22:21:17 *	derp is quite good at objective c
May 07 22:21:18 <Shirik>	there's only one reason someone would write that shit
May 07 22:21:25 <Shirik>	and that's to write software for a shitty phone
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May 07 22:21:33 <tommorris>	christ, not another Android fanboy
May 07 22:21:39 <Shirik>	I do not have an android
May 07 22:21:45 <derp>	Shirik, i'm a iOS devloper :P
May 07 22:21:46 <Shirik>	but I despise apple as a whole
May 07 22:22:14 <tommorris>	feel free to give me a twenty-minute lecture about how I'm a deluded Satanist who hates freedom
May 07 22:22:28 *	barts1a hates apple for the walled iOS garden
May 07 22:22:28 <derp>	tommorris, you want to devlop a iOS app?
May 07 22:22:28 <Shirik>	No need, there's thousands of websites and blog posts about that
May 07 22:22:29 <tommorris>	I haven't heard it fifty times already
May 07 22:22:36 <tommorris>	derp: maybe
May 07 22:22:39 <Shirik>	(14:21:58) * barts1a hates apple for the walled iOS garden
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May 07 22:22:58 *	derp has 4 apps that are released to the canadian market only.
May 07 22:23:01 <tommorris>	yes, because before Apple came along, mobile operating systems were all about peace and love and happiness
May 07 22:23:11 <tommorris>	and nobody controlled anthing.
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May 07 22:23:21 <tommorris>	it was as open as GNU/Linux.
May 07 22:23:21 <Shirik>	no, but what they WEREN'T about is letting people make things and then get told "oh lol actually no gtfo"
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May 07 22:23:37 <tommorris>	SERIOUSLY?
May 07 22:23:39 <barts1a>	I haven't had coffee yet...
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May 07 22:23:51 <tommorris>	do you have ANY fucking clue about the mobile industry?
May 07 22:23:56 <Shirik>	You're acting like the iphone was the first phone to have apps
May 07 22:24:03 <tommorris>	no, I've built J2ME apps
May 07 22:24:11 <Shirik>	Blackberry beat them out years ago
May 07 22:24:18 <derp>	tommorris, i have recevied several iOS 5 bug reports...
May 07 22:24:23 <barts1a>	tommorris: Why do ppl jailbreak iOS?
May 07 22:24:41 <tommorris>	and I know how fucking shit it is to have seventeen different implementations of J2ME that are all uniquely broken in their own ways, and screwed to all hell by the operators.
May 07 22:24:47 *	derp is also thinking of doing a jailbreak app too...
May 07 22:24:50 <Shirik>	oh so wait
May 07 22:24:53 <Shirik>	hang on
May 07 22:25:06 <Shirik>	the solution to the 500 different implementations of J2ME is to have an API that only works on one phone?
May 07 22:25:15 <tommorris>	Let me spell this out:
May 07 22:25:16 <tommorris>	I
May 07 22:25:17 <tommorris>	don't
May 07 22:25:19 <tommorris>	care.
May 07 22:25:26 <barts1a>	derp: Good luck finding a JB exploit
May 07 22:25:31 <tommorris>	I deal with reality, not Richard Stallman's fantasy land.
May 07 22:25:55 *	derp is now known as BubblesDevere
May 07 22:25:56 <tommorris>	If I want to write Windows software, I have to use different APIs than if I'm writing for GNOME or OS X or fucking server-side.
May 07 22:26:21 <tommorris>	Different platforms have different APIs. I don't have to like it, I live with it.
May 07 22:26:45 <tommorris>	Feel free to go cry about it on your blog while I get the fuck on with my life.
May 07 22:26:53 *	BubblesDevere is now known as derp
May 07 22:27:02 <Qcoder00>	You think GNOME has a single consistent API  between versions?
May 07 22:27:04 <Qcoder00>	;)
May 07 22:27:08 <Shirik>	You... think I'm crying?
May 07 22:27:10 <Shirik>	Seriously?
May 07 22:27:15 <Shirik>	I haven't even said anything bad about the iphone
May 07 22:27:22 <barts1a>	It's still better than having to use machine code to program
May 07 22:27:23 <Shirik>	And I'm still debating over whether or not I want one
May 07 22:27:43 <tommorris>	I'm pre-empting "you hate freedom!" bullshit. I don't care.
May 07 22:27:56 <Shirik>	No you're just spouting off useless facts
May 07 22:28:04 <Shirik>	Though that's fairly typical of an apple fanboy, I've gotten used to it
May 07 22:28:17 <barts1a>	^
May 07 22:28:29 <tommorris>	I'm not an Apple fanboy. I'm just a pragmatist.
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May 07 22:29:46 <Dragonfly6-7>	Shirik - I doubt tommorris actually thought you were lachrymating
May 07 22:30:11 <Shirik>	I'm not sure what a lachry is but I'm pretty sure I don't want to mate with one
May 07 22:30:44 *	barts1a facepalms
May 07 22:30:48 <Shirik>	:P
May 07 22:30:50 <Shirik>	I looked it up
May 07 22:31:10 <LauraHale>	I'm not an apple fangirl but I'd like an iPhone 4.
May 07 22:31:27 <LauraHale>	I have the chance to use a nice Mac laptop but hesitant to do so because I like my Windows laptop
May 07 22:31:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	Anyone here have Pubmed access?
May 07 22:31:53 <LauraHale>	Maybe.  Haven't seen what my uni offers that way.
May 07 22:32:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	LauraHale - hold on, I'll give you the URL
May 07 22:32:16 <Shirik>	I like the prospect of using the new C++ api android is offering
May 07 22:32:22 *	barts1a wants an iPhone; but only if someone else pays for it
May 07 22:32:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	I have a dead Frankenmacon by my bookcase, waiting for its hard drive to be drained
May 07 22:32:42 <Shirik>	psh my company is paying for it
May 07 22:32:47 <Shirik>	I just have to decide what they're paying for
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May 07 22:33:38 *	barts1a also wants a PS3 once the network is back up
May 07 22:33:56 <Shirik>	interesting tweet I saw the day after osama was killed
May 07 22:34:08 <Shirik>	"Osama bin Laden is dead: Amazing what the americans can do when the PSN is down."
May 07 22:34:28 <barts1a>	LOL! I saw that too
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May 07 22:35:23 <Qcoder00>	ROFL....  Can't play Halo on-line.....
May 07 22:35:38 <Qcoder00>	etc...
May 07 22:35:47 <barts1a>	Halo is xbox
May 07 22:35:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	apparently Osama hadn't left that room for five years
May 07 22:36:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	which is horrific
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May 07 22:36:49 <Shirik>	to be honest, with all the searching around the borders we've been doing, I wouldn't be surprised
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May 07 22:36:55 <Shirik>	that's what I would have done
May 07 22:36:59 <Shirik>	safest place to be
May 07 22:37:27 <barts1a>	Until SEALS turn up
May 07 22:37:29 <Dragonfly6-7>	not 'hadn't left the house"
May 07 22:37:31 <Ironholds>	agh
May 07 22:37:31 <Dragonfly6-7>	"hadn't left the ROOM"
May 07 22:37:36 <Shirik>	room?
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May 07 22:37:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	room.
May 07 22:37:41 <Ironholds>	my housemate just wandered out of his room buck naked
May 07 22:37:44 <Shirik>	strange man
May 07 22:37:53 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ironholds - aren't your housemates mostly toddlers?
May 07 22:38:02 <Ironholds>	one of the adult ones
May 07 22:38:03 <Ironholds>	"don't scream, it's no more than you'd see if we were skinnydipping"
May 07 22:38:04 <barts1a>	0_0
May 07 22:38:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	bleh
May 07 22:38:14 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ironholds -  do you have Pubmed access?
May 07 22:38:27 <Ironholds>	"mate, if we were skinny dipping, your body would be hidden by all the japanese men running around with harpoons screaming 'RESEARCH PURPOSES! RESEARCH PURPOSES!'"
May 07 22:38:29 <Ironholds>	and n
May 07 22:38:30 <Ironholds>	*o
May 07 22:38:41 <barts1a>	LOL
May 07 22:39:58 <Ironholds>	it is funny because he is fat
May 07 22:41:11 <barts1a>	gaben fat or just fat?
May 07 22:41:31 <Ironholds>	gaben?
May 07 22:41:41 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[Gaben]], I would assume
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May 07 22:41:59 <barts1a>	the meme...
May 07 22:42:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah
May 07 22:42:04 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[Gabe Newell]]
May 07 22:42:49 <barts1a>	gaben fat jokes are popular on the steam forums
May 07 22:42:58 <Dragonfly6-7>	are we on the steam forums?
May 07 22:43:01 *	Dragonfly6-7 checks
May 07 22:43:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	hmmm
May 07 22:43:11 <Dragonfly6-7>	topic seems to be about Wikipedia
May 07 22:43:18 <Dragonfly6-7>	and this seems to be an IRC client
May 07 22:43:27 <barts1a>	We ARE in Sparta...
May 07 22:43:34 <Dragonfly6-7>	no, actually, we're not.
May 07 22:43:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	conclusion:
May 07 22:43:56 <Dragonfly6-7>	we're not in the steam forums, and therefore jokes about Gabe Newell's obesity are not popular here
May 07 22:44:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	Corollary: you have dishonored your name. I recommend hara-kiri.
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May 07 22:44:52 <barts1a>	Hey; what's that above your head? Oh; it's the joke
May 07 22:45:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	yes, but you see - jokes are typically what is called "funny".
May 07 22:45:25 <Dragonfly6-7>	so it was an easy mistake on my part.
May 07 22:45:32 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 07 22:45:36 *	barts1a facepalms
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May 07 22:46:38 *	barts1a  
May 07 22:46:48 *	derp slaps Hedgehog456 with some bacon slabs.
May 07 22:46:55 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 07 22:47:16 *	derp showers Hedgehog456 with smiles ☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺
May 07 22:47:29 *	barts1a wonders if you can get a LIDAR for civilian use
May 07 22:47:49 <derp>	you can actually.
May 07 22:48:07 <barts1a>	Really?
May 07 22:48:19 <Shirik>	I wouldn't be surprised
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May 07 22:49:19 *	LauraHale eats all the bacon on offer
May 07 22:49:32 *	LauraHale huggles Hedgehog456 and derp and Fluff|away
May 07 22:49:50 <derp>	www.sick.com
May 07 22:49:53 *	Hedgehog456 huggles LauraHale 
May 07 22:49:54 *	derp huggles LauraHale
May 07 22:49:54 <LauraHale>	No.
May 07 22:49:58 <LauraHale>	:D
May 07 22:51:53 *	Peter-C gropes LauraHale
May 07 22:51:54 *	Peter-C runs
May 07 22:52:03 <Gfoley4>	bad boy
May 07 22:52:07 *	LauraHale glomps Peter-C
May 07 22:52:10 *	Peter-C tosses Kinsey's toothbrush at LauraHale
May 07 22:52:20 *	LauraHale sits on Peter-C  and reads the Bonked book outloud.
May 07 22:52:26 <Peter-C>	:D
May 07 22:52:26 *	LauraHale shudders and hides
May 07 22:52:31 <Peter-C>	Say it slow and sexy! :D
May 07 22:52:33 <Peter-C>	:(
May 07 22:52:33 *	LauraHale torches the toothbrush
May 07 22:52:51 *	Peter-C thinks the room smells like burning ass now
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May 07 22:53:00 *	LauraHale slowly says: When your nose is stuffed, it is exactly like a man having an erection.
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May 07 22:53:49 <Ironholds>	...
May 07 22:53:52 <Ironholds>	are you ALL INSANE?
May 07 22:54:03 <Ironholds>	and FYI, my nose looks nothing like an erection
May 07 22:54:06 <Ironholds>	there are no cocks big enough
May 07 22:54:25 <Peter-C>	O_o
May 07 22:54:36 <LauraHale>	Your nose has smooth muscle tissue that fills with fluid.
May 07 22:54:41 <Peter-C>	^
May 07 22:54:46 <James_F>	Ironholds> I'd ask for how much of a sample you have, but sure. :-)
May 07 22:54:47 <LauraHale>	That's like your erection.
May 07 22:55:01 <derp>	LauraHale, i had a septoplasty in early october last year.
May 07 22:55:01 <Ironholds>	James_F: about fifteen inches
May 07 22:55:03 <Ironholds>	oh, you meant COCKS?
May 07 22:55:12 *	LauraHale huggles derp
May 07 22:55:19 <Ironholds>	despite philippe's insistence, very little
May 07 22:55:23 <James_F>	Ironholds> How wide a sample. Forgive my terseness and thus imprecision.
May 07 22:55:24 *	Peter-C huggles LauraHale and derp
May 07 22:55:25 <LauraHale>	cocks are male chickens right?
May 07 22:55:29 <derp>	yes
May 07 22:55:32 <LauraHale>	Poor derp nose. :(
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May 07 22:55:33 <derp>	see my huge cock.
May 07 22:55:34 <Ironholds>	James_F: I forgive nothing!
May 07 22:55:38 <derp>	LauraHale, i'm ok :)
May 07 22:55:40 <James_F>	Clearly.
May 07 22:55:47 <Ironholds>	derp: what a massive male chicken you have there
May 07 22:55:48 <derp>	hey James_F :)
May 07 22:55:49 <James_F>	Ironholds> You coming to the meetup tomorrow?
May 07 22:55:51 <Peter-C>	derp has a very nice cock
May 07 22:55:52 <Ironholds>	James_F: naw
May 07 22:55:55 <James_F>	Bother.
May 07 22:55:56 <Peter-C>	it must be hard to control
May 07 22:56:05 <derp>	thank you Peter-C and Ironholds
May 07 22:56:07 <Peter-C>	how do you fit it in its cage?
May 07 22:56:07 <Ironholds>	James_F: why bother?
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May 07 22:56:21 *	derp chuckles at these innuendos.
May 07 22:57:04 <derp>	Peter-C, one smooth motion.
May 07 22:57:54 <Ironholds>	James_F: I sort of decided that the recent american extravaganza has probably exhausted my supply of "being belittled and kicked in the self-esteem"; I need some time away from deprecating british bastards to recover
May 07 22:58:05 <Ironholds>	so I've surrounded myself with bristolians instead
May 07 22:58:07 <Ironholds>	much better
May 07 22:58:16 <James_F>	Ironholds> Drat. Wanted to run something by you.
May 07 22:58:30 <Ironholds>	WP, politics or law related?
May 07 22:58:36 <James_F>	The first.
May 07 22:58:37 <derp>	Ironholds, when the next time you come back to Canada?
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May 07 22:58:43 <Hedgehog456>	Peter-C: with elegance, grace and experience
May 07 22:58:47 <Ironholds>	James_F: PM it to me or drop me an email, then
May 07 22:58:53 <Ironholds>	derp: never. ever ever ever.
May 07 22:58:57 <Ironholds>	it was incredibly cold and drab
May 07 22:59:03 <Ironholds>	mind you, I was at about 13,000 feet, so.
May 07 22:59:12 <derp>	heh
May 07 22:59:18 <derp>	say i got a question
May 07 22:59:26 <derp>	in your college schools, is there a philosophy class?
May 07 22:59:45 <Ironholds>	university, and yes, many
May 07 22:59:47 <Ironholds>	I went to a few
May 07 23:00:09 <Ironholds>	taught by a guy who, now that I think about it, looks a helluva lot like Greg Maxwell
May 07 23:00:23 <Ironholds>	I wonder if he has a British brother from another mother. Well, other than James_F
May 07 23:00:28 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ironholds - incidentally, the harpooning *is* for research purposes.
May 07 23:00:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	how else are you supposed to find out how many whales you can kill in a day?
May 07 23:00:41 *	James_F laughs.
May 07 23:00:43 <derp>	Ironholds, philosophy is a required series of classes in college here.
May 07 23:00:48 <derp>	there are 3
May 07 23:01:18 <Ironholds>	derp: do any of them attempt to answer the question "if god loves us, why did he put us in fucking canada"?
May 07 23:01:43 <derp>	lolno
May 07 23:01:43 <Dragonfly6-7>	"because the nazis never held power here"
May 07 23:01:47 <Ironholds>	substitute for "give us celine dion" "allow Harper's birth"
May 07 23:02:05 <Ironholds>	James_F: anyway, just email me or shove it in PM
May 07 23:02:21 <James_F>	Ironholds> How would I find out if an Aussie was a QC?
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May 07 23:04:42 <Ironholds>	James_F: their court transcripts
May 07 23:04:51 <Ironholds>	the australian high court sits in a special session to formally appoint QCs
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May 07 23:05:02 <Ironholds>	so the names are listed each time, by both year and day of appointment
May 07 23:05:24 <Ironholds>	see http://portsea.austlii.edu.au/au/other/HCATrans/2006/1.html for example
May 07 23:06:08 <Ironholds>	it's normally done bang on the dot at the end of January, and if you go to that site you can see every list of appointments by year (or just, y'know, search)
May 07 23:07:09 <Ironholds>	James_F: useful? ;p
May 07 23:07:45 <James_F>	Very.
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May 07 23:08:00 <Thehelpfulone>	is there an admin script for TFD?
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May 07 23:24:04 <Gfoley4>	Thehelpfulone: no, you must do it yourself =)
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May 07 23:30:55 <LauraHale>	http://i.imgur.com/ge9nj.png  Important image
May 07 23:32:22 <Gfoley4>	oiooh, the derby
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May 07 23:35:45 <James_F>	Hey SJ.
May 07 23:35:57 <Ironholds>	LauraHale: haha
May 07 23:36:06 <LauraHale>	:)
May 07 23:36:23 <LauraHale>	Ironholds: http://cfai.info/ is the site
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May 07 23:48:23 <Gfoley4>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Recent_deaths&diff=prev&oldid=427986517 :D
May 07 23:48:46 <Fumika>	Hai Leonard^Bloom
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May 07 23:49:18 <Fumika>	Nice :P
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May 07 23:49:29 <MacMed>	Gfoley4: fancy
May 07 23:49:31 *	derp showers Gfoley4 with ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
May 07 23:49:54 <Gfoley4>	:D
May 07 23:53:38 <_sj_>	hi jamesf!  and ironholds, laura, all
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May 07 23:57:06 <James_F>	_sj_> And with that, I'm off. :-)
May 07 23:57:12 *	James_F waves.
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May 08 00:00:27 <Mike5>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_sightings_in_the_United_States
May 08 00:00:46 <_sj_>	comments requested on better archiving of web citations:
May 08 00:00:49 <_sj_>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archived_citations_2
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May 08 00:13:57 <MickWithoutGlass>	Ello.
May 08 00:14:04 <Dragonfly6-7>	hello again, MickWithoutGlass
May 08 00:14:08 <GfoleyPhone>	Hi
May 08 00:14:23 <MickWithoutGlass>	Dragonfly6-7, wanna know who you remind me of?
May 08 00:14:33 <MickWithoutGlass>	Nevel Papperman. That's who :|
May 08 00:14:44 <Gfoley4>	O_O
May 08 00:14:51 <Gfoley4>	wtf?
May 08 00:15:03 <MickWithoutGlass>	He does
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May 08 00:16:10 *	Peter-C gives MickWithoutGlass a glass
May 08 00:16:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	I don't know who taht is.
May 08 00:16:22 <MickWithoutGlass>	My username is MickWithoutGlasses
May 08 00:16:36 <MickWithoutGlass>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevel_Papperman
May 08 00:16:57 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah
May 08 00:17:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	because I deleted all your user subpages?
May 08 00:17:28 <Peter-C>	Why are we looking at a list of people in icarley?
May 08 00:17:31 <MickWithoutGlass>	And because of the way you act
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May 08 00:17:57 <Dragonfly6-7>	Expand on that, please.
May 08 00:18:11 <MickWithoutGlass>	I have to go take a shower. Bye
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May 08 00:25:33 <NEWSKY>	HI :)
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May 08 00:31:07 <Girl_Scout>	Would any of you like to buy some girl scout cookies?
May 08 00:31:19 <Peter-C>	NO
May 08 00:31:41 <Peter-C>	I don't support any organizations that support the impowerment of women >:(
May 08 00:31:45 *	Peter-C slams the door shut
May 08 00:31:59 <Fumika>	lol
May 08 00:32:05 <Girl_Scout>	:'(
May 08 00:32:09 <GfoleyPhone>	 Lolwut
May 08 00:32:10 <Peter-C>	OUT I SAY
May 08 00:32:22 *	Girl_Scout is now known as Boy_Scout
May 08 00:32:32 <Fumika>	I forget there is Boy scounds.
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May 08 00:32:44 <Boy_Scout>	Would you like to buy some Boy Scout cookies?
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May 08 00:33:15 <Peter-C>	Of course I would! The boy scouts supports the empowerment of man, the people god made to rule the earth.
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May 08 00:33:27 *	Peter-C hands the Boy_Scout 20$'s
May 08 00:33:33 *	Boy_Scout is now known as Girl_Scout
May 08 00:33:39 <Girl_Scout>	HAHA BITCH!
May 08 00:33:50 <Girl_Scout>	I AM A BOY SCOUT WITH A MUSTACHE ON
May 08 00:33:53 <Jeske_Couriano>	!op
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May 08 00:34:03 <Peter-C>	O_o
May 08 00:34:08 <Prodego>	well that was easy
May 08 00:34:11 <Fumika>	lol
May 08 00:34:22 <Peter-C>	WHERE ARE MY COOKIES?!?!?
May 08 00:34:29 <Gfoley4>	up your ass
May 08 00:34:30 <Gfoley4>	^_^
May 08 00:34:30 <Fumika>	She ran with them
May 08 00:34:34 <Peter-C>	That is the more important question
May 08 00:34:35 <Peter-C>	:(
May 08 00:34:42 *	Peter-C eats Gfoley4's face
May 08 00:34:44 <Peter-C>	Woops
May 08 00:34:49 *	Peter-C tosses MacMed at Gfoley4
May 08 00:34:57 <Gfoley4>	"my bad"
May 08 00:35:20 <Gfoley4>	"Sir, I didn't mean to eat him. He was just so beautiful."
May 08 00:35:25 <Gfoley4>	:)
May 08 00:35:30 <Mike5>	!admin
May 08 00:35:30 *	Fumika delivers  Peter-C a letter from the dead
May 08 00:35:39 <Gfoley4>	Mike5: ?
May 08 00:35:42 <Peter-C>	Mike5 - Gfoley4 is an admin
May 08 00:35:42 <Mike5>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arius1996 was blocked for creating hoax articles and uploading copyvio images
May 08 00:35:54 <Thehelpfulone>	Mike5: a comment with that too please ;)
May 08 00:35:54 <Peter-C>	He has ban stick
May 08 00:35:56 <MuZemike>	Great, carry on, then.
May 08 00:36:03 <Mike5>	he is now evading his block http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/122.52.39.211
May 08 00:36:08 <Mike5>	restoring the hoax articles
May 08 00:36:52 <MuZemike>	OK, I'll rangeblock his /24
May 08 00:37:28 <Gfoley4>	WTF? "Wikipedia uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again."
May 08 00:37:40 <Brian_S>	Fail!
May 08 00:37:48 <Peter-C>	MuZemike - rangeblock a small middle eastern country
May 08 00:37:56 <Peter-C>	How about Vatican City xD
May 08 00:38:12 <Mike5>	i don't think that's in the ME
May 08 00:38:28 <Brian_S>	Peter-C needs a map.
May 08 00:38:34 <Gfoley4>	^
May 08 00:38:41 <Gfoley4>	Vatican City is in the middle on Italy
May 08 00:38:48 <Brian_S>	I knew you were gonna say that, Gfoley4.
May 08 00:38:57 <MuZemike>	The /24 blocked 1 week, Arius1996's block is also extended to 1 week.
May 08 00:39:00 <Brian_S>	<Gfoley4> ^
May 08 00:39:00 <Brian_S>	:P
May 08 00:39:09 <Mike5>	great, thanks!
May 08 00:39:30 <Gfoley4>	:P
May 08 00:39:39 <Gfoley4>	i am a geography nut
May 08 00:39:41 <Gfoley4>	fyi
May 08 00:40:49 <Logan_>	no, you're a train nut
May 08 00:42:00 <Dragonfly6-7>	  MuZemike - if he's a hoaxer, why not block him indef?
May 08 00:42:31 <Gfoley4>	Logan_: no, both
May 08 00:42:46 <Gfoley4>	I can name how to get between cities by interstate without a map
May 08 00:42:56 <Gfoley4>	true
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May 08 00:47:03 <Mike5>	MuZemike: are you sure you blocked the IP? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/122.52.39.211
May 08 00:47:55 <Mike5>	also, these copyvios should be deleted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MIG-37B.jpg
May 08 00:48:12 <Mike5>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MiG-37_Ferret.jpg
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May 08 00:52:28 <stwalkerster>	Mike5: I've just blocked that /24 too... it's a /14 though he's using I think
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May 08 00:55:38 <MuZemike>	AFAIK, that's a /24
May 08 00:55:46 <MuZemike>	We can't block a /14
May 08 00:57:46 <Gfoley4>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&ip=122.52.39.211
May 08 00:57:48 <stwalkerster>	I know we can't, it's also a HUGE swathe of IPs
May 08 00:57:50 <Gfoley4>	blocked now
May 08 00:58:17 <stwalkerster>	the ISP is 122.52.0.0 to 122.55.255.255
May 08 00:58:27 <stwalkerster>	(which I think is a /14)
May 08 00:58:40 <geniice>	no thats /16
May 08 00:58:51 <geniice>	sorry yes is't /14
May 08 00:59:18 <geniice>	well it's only 3 /16 we could technicaly do it
May 08 00:59:21 <stwalkerster>	I don't really want to do 4 /16 ranges
May 08 00:59:46 <stwalkerster>	*cough* 52, 53, 54, 55 - that's 4 *cough*
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May 08 01:00:11 <geniice>	yes blocking a significant chunk of the Philippines would be a little excessive
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May 08 01:01:24 <geniice>	stwalkerster wouldn't it be better just to semi protect his targets?
May 08 01:01:51 <Shirik>	set up a filter to block the /14 from those targets?
May 08 01:02:09 <stwalkerster>	maybe, I don't care :P I was just following MuZemike's lead :P
May 08 01:02:23 <geniice>	hmm mostly redirects no? who cares if they are semied
May 08 01:02:41 <Shirik>	I didn't bother to look at the details
May 08 01:02:48 <geniice>	I'll keep an eye on the pages for the next few hours incase he reappears
May 08 01:03:02 <stwalkerster>	cool, cos I'm going to bed soon :P
May 08 01:03:17 <stwalkerster>	well, in about 40 mins
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May 08 01:04:03 <Randomguy93>	derp, derp de derp de derp
May 08 01:04:07 *	Fumika (~Zamorak@wikia/ZamorakO-o) has left #wikipedia-en ("So I don't cause nick change spam")
May 08 01:04:26 <tommorris>	wow, Deryck Chan just tweeted about this excellent list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_been_pied
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May 08 01:04:54 <Shirik>	wtf is that
May 08 01:04:59 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Chirps at derp
May 08 01:05:00 <Randomguy93>	lool
May 08 01:05:10 <Randomguy93>	go away
May 08 01:05:27 <Randomguy93>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieing#Celebrities_who_have_been_pied
May 08 01:05:30 <Shirik>	that list is not only useless, it can never hope to beeven 1% complete
May 08 01:05:48 <Randomguy93>	AfD/PROD... ?
May 08 01:05:59 *	Randomguy93 yawns
May 08 01:06:07 *	Fluff|laptop sneezes
May 08 01:06:07 *	tommorris backs up a copy in case of AfD
May 08 01:06:23 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Bless you fluff
May 08 01:06:31 <Randomguy93>	hemm
May 08 01:06:33 <Shirik>	I'm actually tempted to take that to DRV
May 08 01:06:33 <Fluff|laptop>	i fucking hate pollen
May 08 01:06:34 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh god
May 08 01:06:36 <Gfoley4>	wow, Memphis wins again
May 08 01:06:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh god oh god
May 08 01:06:40 <Fluff|laptop>	Dragonfly6-7 ?
May 08 01:06:41 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Fluff how's you and ironholds?
May 08 01:06:48 <Shirik>	what kind of closing rationale is that
May 08 01:06:48 <Dragonfly6-7>	i just read somethign i really wasn't ready to resad
May 08 01:06:52 <Fluff|laptop>	i'm fine, no idea how he is
May 08 01:06:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	gh
May 08 01:06:56 *	Randomguy93 SNEEZES *achoo*
May 08 01:06:58 <Dragonfly6-7>	ginore igme
May 08 01:07:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	ignore me ignore me
May 08 01:07:08 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Why?
May 08 01:07:09 *	Fluff|laptop stares at Dragonfly6-7, backs away
May 08 01:07:13 <Gfoley4>	^
May 08 01:07:31 <tommorris>	also, "it won't be complete" is verging on a bad argument for deletion. Wikipedia is premised on not really ever being complete. eventualism and all that.
May 08 01:07:47 <Randomguy93>	Zzz
May 08 01:07:48 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Lol
May 08 01:08:04 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Even Wikipedia logo is not complete!
May 08 01:08:10 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Let's delete it.
May 08 01:08:15 <MuZemike>	Heaven forbid we try and "complete" articles
May 08 01:08:21 <tommorris>	so long as human beings continue to do things, Wikipedia won't be complete. Ergo, we should shut the project down.
May 08 01:08:25 <Randomguy93>	i hate these fucking people who troll my userpage...
May 08 01:08:28 <Randomguy93>	...oh well
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May 08 01:08:58 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Undo and tag a vand warning on their talk page
May 08 01:09:18 <MuZemike>	tommorris: I look at it in a different light. Time is moving forward, right? Then there will always be, at a minimum, some new material to write about.
May 08 01:09:23 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Oh he left
May 08 01:09:27 *	Randomguy666 (ad318c8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.49.140.141) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 08 01:09:34 <Randomguy666>	I keep choosing random numbers :/
May 08 01:09:42 <Randomguy666>	WHAT 666?!
May 08 01:09:43 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Lol
May 08 01:09:48 <tommorris>	also, there's been four AfD's on [[List of people who have been pied]], three keeps and one no consensus
May 08 01:09:49 <Fluff|laptop>	is that you, derp?
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May 08 01:10:09 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Random guy just undo the vandalism and warn them.
May 08 01:10:32 <Randomguy734>	meh
May 08 01:10:37 <Shirik>	tommorris, there's a difference between "not being complete" and "not being something that could cover the topic"
May 08 01:10:39 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Then after four warnings take then to aiv
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May 08 01:10:48 <Randomguy734>	I'm tempted to troll their talk page as revenge :/
May 08 01:11:04 <Randomguy734>	but I guess I can't since I'm trusted /w ROLLBACK
May 08 01:11:15 <Tyw7|Mobile>	But they might tag you as vandalism
May 08 01:11:22 <MuZemike>	What's all this about "people putting in hard work" on articles?
May 08 01:11:27 <MuZemike>	This is a wiki, right?
May 08 01:11:27 <Kingturtle>	hola
May 08 01:11:29 <Shirik>	I WILL take it to DRV if he doesn't respond to my comment on his talk page
May 08 01:11:39 <Randomguy734>	"Remember this: If you're getting attacked by vandals, you must be doing something right!" -Reaper_Eternal
May 08 01:11:41 <Shirik>	but I'll give him some time
May 08 01:11:46 *	Fluff|laptop avoids hard work as much as possible
May 08 01:11:59 <Randomguy734>	people
May 08 01:12:05 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Bueno noches kingturtle
May 08 01:12:18 <Randomguy734>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AN#One_of_your_fellow_admins_has_passed_away
May 08 01:12:21 <Randomguy734>	HALLO
May 08 01:12:23 <MuZemike>	That's a horrible AFD close, BTW
May 08 01:12:25 <Randomguy734>	anyone see that
May 08 01:12:30 <Dragonfly6-7>	Fluff|laptop - sorry, I read an old e-mail that made me feel very, very emotional
May 08 01:12:42 <tommorris>	I have to say, when I explained the allegations that I was part of a CIA/Microsoft/Wikimedia Foundation conspiracy to an acquaintance who works at Microsoft, they were most amused.
May 08 01:13:01 *	Fluff|laptop pats Dragonfly6-7 comfortingly
May 08 01:13:03 <Shirik>	yes it is MuZemike
May 08 01:13:08 <Shirik>	that's why I'm really annoyed by it
May 08 01:13:13 <Shirik>	and I wasn't even in the debate
May 08 01:14:38 *	Tyw7|Mobile is now known as Squirrel
May 08 01:14:45 <Randomguy734>	yipes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_films_that_most_frequently_use_the_word_%22fuck%22_(10th_nomination)
May 08 01:14:56 *	Squirrel is now known as Tyw7|Mobile
May 08 01:14:57 <Randomguy734>	I mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_films_that_most_frequently_use_the_word_%22fuck%22_(10th_nomination)
May 08 01:15:01 <Randomguy734>	ugh
May 08 01:15:02 <Randomguy734>	IRC
May 08 01:15:17 <MuZemike>	Wikipedia: The completely fucking useless encyclopedia
May 08 01:15:48 <Tyw7|Mobile>	Lol
May 08 01:16:02 <Kingturtle>	is anyone here an expert on CVs for academics? send me a private message if you can help me out with some questions
May 08 01:16:20 *	Tyw7|Mobile is now known as Tyw7|Mobile|K800
May 08 01:16:28 <Randomguy734>	Wikipedia: The fucking useless fucking websites that fucking call themselves a fucking encyclopedia when they get so much fucking vandalism "that anyone can fucking edit" when it's fucking vandalism. phew. 7 "fuck"s
May 08 01:16:32 <derp>	Fluff|laptop, yesY
May 08 01:16:34 <derp>	yesh?
May 08 01:16:39 <Fluff|laptop>	eh?
May 08 01:16:46 <derp>	you rang?
May 08 01:16:57 <Randomguy734>	"Add this discussion to List of AFDs that most frequently use the word "fuck" in a civil manner. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)"
May 08 01:17:15 <Fluff|laptop>	oh, no, i was trying to figure out who Randomguy734 was and was guessing it was you, derp
May 08 01:17:30 <MuZemike>	I mean, it's fascinating that some completely focus in lists of useless trivia stuff than, you know, like, something a little more substantive.
May 08 01:17:37 <Randomguy734>	derp de derp...
May 08 01:17:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can improve but not everyone does.
May 08 01:17:50 <Randomguy734>	i started as a vandal in 2005...
May 08 01:17:59 <Dragonfly6-7>	and now you have prostate cancer
May 08 01:18:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	but there's no connection
May 08 01:18:20 <Gfoley4>	haha
May 08 01:18:36 <Randomguy734>	hmm
May 08 01:18:38 <Fluff|laptop>	godDAMN i hate allergies
May 08 01:18:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	I'm very sorry, and I'll send flowers to your family.
May 08 01:18:41 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	I just wish we can lock down the encyclopedia under high vandalism attacks
May 08 01:18:44 <Randomguy734>	does anyone know the largest AfD ever
May 08 01:18:52 <Randomguy734>	Tyw7|Mobile|K800: no
May 08 01:19:04 <Randomguy734>	does anyone know the largest AfD EVER?!
May 08 01:19:16 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Why random guy
May 08 01:19:34 <Gigs>	Randomguy734: some MfDs were probably the biggest
May 08 01:19:40 <Randomguy734>	just cus there's some GOOD edits
May 08 01:19:42 <MuZemike>	Dammit, even WR is being lax on covering some really horrible articles out there.
May 08 01:19:49 <Randomguy734>	Gigs: liek...
May 08 01:19:51 <Randomguy734>	*like
May 08 01:19:59 <Gigs>	Randomguy734: esperanza, BAG, etc
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May 08 01:20:08 <Gigs>	those all went up to very big MfD debates
May 08 01:20:21 <Dragonfly6-7>	Randomguy734 - how has chemo been going?
May 08 01:20:29 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	What is mfd?
May 08 01:20:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	Miscellany for Deletion
May 08 01:20:38 <Gigs>	Tyw7|Mobile|K800: misc for deletion
May 08 01:20:41 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Mother fucker deletions
May 08 01:20:49 <Randomguy734>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Esperanza likes
May 08 01:21:45 <Randomguy734>	Also, help needed @ http://simple.wikipedia.org/ the simple English Wikipedia-just use "simple" English\
May 08 01:21:51 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Oh well on mobile so can't visit links
May 08 01:21:52 <MuZemike>	There were several reasons why Esperanza went down
May 08 01:22:21 <Randomguy734>	TfD of Template:Expand is around 250,000 bytes
May 08 01:22:57 *	Thehelpfulone is now known as osama-bin-laden
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May 08 01:23:09 <Gfoley4>	we don't care
May 08 01:23:13 *	Randomguy734 is now known as nedal-nib-amaso
May 08 01:23:18 <Thehelpfulone>	I meant to do a /ns info on that :P
May 08 01:24:06 *	Gfoley4 illegally downloads some moar music
May 08 01:24:14 *	nedal-nib-amaso is now known as Mickey_mouse
May 08 01:24:20 <Mickey_mouse>	aww, registered
May 08 01:24:28 *	Mickey_mouse is now known as Random37844
May 08 01:24:40 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Gfoley4 youtube converter?
May 08 01:24:46 <Gfoley4>	hell no
May 08 01:24:47 <Random37844>	wonder what it's like in Galesburg, IL...
May 08 01:25:08 <Gfoley4>	Random37844: 72° according to my iPhone
May 08 01:25:15 <Random37844>	:/
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May 08 01:25:33 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Why gfolfyi
May 08 01:25:41 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Gfoley4
May 08 01:26:00 <Gfoley4>	http://www.airmp3.me/ fyi
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May 08 01:26:23 <Random26235236>	Gfoley4...
May 08 01:26:26 <Random26235236>	ugh
May 08 01:26:35 <Gfoley4>	?
May 08 01:26:36 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Why you don't convert?
May 08 01:26:50 <Random26235236>	according to Firefox, I have visited WP:ANI 5142 times :o
May 08 01:27:03 <Gfoley4>	because I am like normal people
May 08 01:27:06 <Gfoley4>	=)
May 08 01:27:44 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	But you download music illegally
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May 08 01:28:34 <Gfoley4>	who doesn't?
May 08 01:28:47 <Gfoley4>	isn't converting off YouTube the same?
May 08 01:28:54 <Gfoley4>	-some quality
May 08 01:28:58 *	LFThis (46b3a973@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.179.169.115) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 08 01:29:02 <LFThis>	HEY!
May 08 01:29:12 *	Thehelpfulone has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
May 08 01:29:17 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Cause I don't trust file sharings
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May 08 01:29:30 <Gfoley4>	I do
May 08 01:30:00 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Viruses?
May 08 01:30:18 <Gfoley4>	...no?
May 08 01:30:26 <Gfoley4>	I'm on a mac, silly
May 08 01:30:27 <LFThis>	You know the stats of how many edits are made a second on the english WP?
May 08 01:30:29 <Gfoley4>	=)
May 08 01:30:35 <derp>	yay another macuser :D
May 08 01:30:39 <Gfoley4>	:D :D
May 08 01:30:47 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Macs have viruses as well
May 08 01:30:51 <LFThis>	Is Mac the "
May 08 01:30:59 <LFThis>	"rich people's computer" or is that Alienware?
May 08 01:31:03 <Kingturtle>	does anyone here have a curriculum vitae? may i send you a private message to ask some questions?
May 08 01:31:05 <Gfoley4>	LFThis: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
May 08 01:31:11 *	Tyw7|Mobile|K800 is now known as Barrack-obama
May 08 01:31:16 <Shirik>	Well I took it to DRV
May 08 01:31:52 <LFThis>	Gfoley4: It does not say how many edits per second.
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May 08 01:32:26 *	MuZemike recommends relisting
May 08 01:32:36 <Gfoley4>	you can count, LFThis :)
May 08 01:32:45 *	Guerillero (~hka555@pool-72-65-194-163.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 08 01:32:50 <LFThis>	it only shows hour and minute the changes were made; no seconds
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May 08 01:33:11 <Barrack-obama>	T
May 08 01:33:31 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: LFThis has a point
May 08 01:33:36 <Barrack-obama>	Jesus
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May 08 01:33:43 <Logan_>	Barrack-obama: You fail at spelling.
May 08 01:33:44 <Gfoley4>	hm
May 08 01:33:54 <Logan_>	I guess he noticed.
May 08 01:34:07 <Gfoley4>	LFThis: you can get a feed on IRC
May 08 01:34:08 <LFThis>	lolz
May 08 01:34:18 <LFThis>	where?
May 08 01:34:29 <Gfoley4>	I think it is irc.wikimedia.org
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May 08 01:34:36 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Test
May 08 01:34:42 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Ok nicks working
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May 08 01:35:46 <Logan_>	LFThis: About 1.5 edits per second, according to this: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100526203827AALB0Yn
May 08 01:35:49 <Peter-C>	I am a jesus
May 08 01:36:23 <LFThis>	Logan_: That's over a year old; I'd like stats from these days.
May 08 01:36:23 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	Lol
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May 08 01:37:03 <Gfoley4>	lol @ cover art for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Beautiful_Dark_Twisted_Fantasy
May 08 01:37:20 <Guerillero>	would one of you be willing to close a featured sound nomination?
May 08 01:38:07 <Peter-C>	LFThis - 22 edits per second
May 08 01:38:13 <Peter-C>	*22.7
May 08 01:38:15 <Peter-C>	Globally
May 08 01:38:24 <LFThis>	Peter-C: Oh, for all WPs... Source please?
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May 08 01:38:42 <Tyw7|Mobile|K800>	How can you count the edits you made per minute?
May 08 01:38:57 <Peter-C>	http://stats.wikimedia.org/reportcard/#fragment-91
May 08 01:39:07 <Peter-C>	11.8 million edits a year
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May 08 01:39:12 <DarkoNeko>	zzz
May 08 01:39:30 <Peter-C>	11.8/12 months/30 days/24 hours/60 minutes
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May 08 01:40:15 <Peter-C>	Woops, 22.4
May 08 01:40:40 <Gfoley4>	does DarkoNeko ever speak
May 08 01:40:41 <LFThis>	Rounding down, it's 22.4 edits a minute
May 08 01:40:43 <Peter-C>	11,800,000/365 days/24 hours/60 minutes
May 08 01:40:49 <Gfoley4>	except for saying "zzz"
May 08 01:40:50 <Gfoley4>	?
May 08 01:41:07 <Peter-C>	(the 30 days a month thing made there be less days
May 08 01:41:21 <LFThis>	Ok, 22.45 edits a minute.
May 08 01:41:30 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: haha, don't think so
May 08 01:41:34 <Guerillero>	skip the months and go straight for days
May 08 01:41:36 <Peter-C>	Yes
May 08 01:41:37 <Logan_>	it's really annoying how he says that in every channel
May 08 01:41:43 <Logan_>	(must be a script)
May 08 01:41:50 <Peter-C>	An edit evey 2.5 seconds
May 08 01:41:53 <LFThis>	Averaging all of the months' days together, it's 30.4375
May 08 01:42:18 <LFThis>	Is this the fastest activity we've ever had? Or was our height long ago?
May 08 01:42:31 <Peter-C>	Long time ago
May 08 01:42:40 <Peter-C>	According to the WMF
May 08 01:42:43 *	Fluff|laptop is now known as Fluff|sleep
May 08 01:42:54 <Peter-C>	We are losing editors
May 08 01:43:01 <Peter-C>	and not getting as many new editors
May 08 01:43:18 <LFThis>	Maybe we should stop blocking whoever didn't really come to only vandalize
May 08 01:43:23 <Gfoley4>	derp: I got an iPhone today :D
May 08 01:43:35 <Peter-C>	Vandalizing is vandalizing :/
May 08 01:43:36 <LFThis>	And some legit editors may vandalize on one-use accounts, but edit genuinely on mains.
May 08 01:43:45 <Dragonfly6-7>	then they're not legit editors.
May 08 01:43:49 <Gfoley4>	^
May 08 01:43:49 <Peter-C>	^
May 08 01:43:53 <LFThis>	If they're vandal-only that's one thing.
May 08 01:43:54 <Gfoley4>	that's "sockpupptry"
May 08 01:44:00 <Peter-C>	^
May 08 01:44:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	no, that's the only thing.
May 08 01:44:09 <LFThis>	And are they Checkused at the drop of a hat?
May 08 01:44:19 <Peter-C>	yes
May 08 01:44:37 <Peter-C>	they are not real editors xD
May 08 01:44:46 <Dragonfly6-7>	Yep
May 08 01:44:49 <Dragonfly6-7>	because they're vandals
May 08 01:45:05 <LFThis>	I thought it takes procedures to checkuse users.
May 08 01:45:33 <Gfoley4>	LFThis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GHBH
May 08 01:45:34 <Gfoley4>	it does
May 08 01:45:35 <Peter-C>	You can't say "I redirected [[AIDS]] to [[condom]] but it's ok because I was using a different account"
May 08 01:45:38 <Peter-C>	And yes
May 08 01:45:48 <Peter-C>	A sockpuppet investigation is opened
May 08 01:45:53 <Gfoley4>	so you'd need evidence
May 08 01:45:57 <Peter-C>	And an clerk must aprove it
May 08 01:46:01 <Peter-C>	It is like a legal proceding
May 08 01:46:08 <LFThis>	Peter-C: But only if there's evidence that it was a spuppet
May 08 01:46:16 <Gfoley4>	yes
May 08 01:46:42 <MuZemike>	spuppet?
May 08 01:47:25 <LFThis>	sock
May 08 01:48:12 <Peter-C>	If enough evidence is provided than a person can be checkusered, yes.
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