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Session Start: Fri Jul 10 00:00:00 2015
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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[02:13:01] <Oshwah> I have a question. What CSD criteria would this article fall under? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyndham_Garden_York
[02:13:29] * Dragonfly6-7 looks
[02:13:47] * Dragonfly6-7 deletes.
[02:13:53] <Dragonfly6-7> "I'm sorry, this is not an article."
[02:14:09] <Oshwah> lol\
[02:14:15] <Oshwah> Dragonfly6-7: Nice.
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[02:14:24] <Oshwah> What would that fall under in CSD though?
[02:14:50] * Dragonfly6-7 shrugs
[02:14:55] <Oshwah> lol
[02:15:07] <Dragonfly6-7> I don't keep track of what CSD code number relates to what actual real-world reason.
[02:15:13] <Oshwah> Under the *cough* category.
[02:15:16] <Oshwah> ;-)
[02:15:25] <Oshwah> Yeah it was definitely a CSD. Just wanted to file it properly.
[02:15:28] <Oshwah> Oh well. Done and done.
[02:15:43] <Oshwah> Oh will you look at that! It disappeared!
[02:15:51] <Oshwah> Such amaze! Such magic!
[02:16:06] <Dragonfly6-7> 1) assess article, 2) determine flaw with article, 3) determine appropriate code number for flaw, 4) delete article citing code number
[02:16:08] <Dragonfly6-7> OR
[02:16:17] <Dragonfly6-7> 1) assess article, 2) determine flaw with article, 3) delete article citing flaw
[02:16:35] <SigmaWP> TParis: hm, another insult sans evidence, but this time not thinly veiled? i think you're losing your touch :(
[02:16:52] <TParis> No reason to be thinly veiled - I'm retired
[02:17:01] <Dragonfly6-7> SigmaWP - what're you talking about, please.
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[02:17:12] <TParis> Besides, I think your being an ass. You know what the truth is and you're intentionally avoiding it.
[02:17:19] <SigmaWP> I agree with whatever you just said
[02:17:24] <Oshwah> Well this escalated quickly.
[02:17:26] <SigmaWP> for various definitions of "agree"
[02:17:31] <TParis> Doesn't mean I don't like you, but I disagree with you.
[02:17:45] * Oshwah gets popcorn...
[02:17:46] <Dragonfly6-7> SigmaWP - please explain what the hell you're talking about.
[02:17:53] <TParis> It's not a big deal guys
[02:17:53] <SigmaWP> Dragonfly6-7: I'm agreeing with whatever he says
[02:17:59] <SigmaWP> don't worry about it :P
[02:18:08] <SigmaWP> We'll see if he's just as zealous on irc
[02:18:29] <Oshwah> back
[02:18:32] * Ironholds slaps SigmaWP upside the back of the head
[02:18:33] <Dragonfly6-7> SigmaWP - I'm missing an important piece of backstory here. Without backstory, I'll be forced to conclude that you're possessed by demons and block your account as compromised.
[02:18:34] <Ironholds> stop trolling.
[02:18:41] <Dragonfly6-7> hello, Ironholds
[02:18:45] <Ironholds> hey Dragonfly6-7. How goes?
[02:18:53] <Dragonfly6-7> it goes okay, I guess
[02:18:55] <Ironholds> oh, and do you like cats, fire and beautiful forests?
[02:19:00] <Ironholds> not together
[02:19:02] <Ironholds> that would be horrible
[02:19:22] <Oshwah> Why not together?
[02:19:27] <Dragonfly6-7> I like most cats, most forests, and tightly-controlled combustion.
[02:19:28] <syabrite> Dragonfly6-7, here is our backstory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Cyberpower678#Technical_skills
[02:19:30] <Oshwah> That sounds awesome :-P
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[02:19:45] <Oshwah> Oh boy.
[02:19:51] <ceradon> your*
[02:20:20] <Dragonfly6-7> ceradon - thank you.
[02:20:29] <ceradon> No problem.
[02:20:43] <Dragonfly6-7> I need to buy another tube of clotrimazole ointment
[02:20:45] <Oshwah> Looks like a lot of uneccessary use of words.
[02:20:49] <Oshwah> Why the hate?
[02:20:53] <Dragonfly6-7> for my arms
[02:21:02] <SigmaWP> TParis: Also in case it's not clear that later part isn't serious
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[02:21:08] <ceradon> John Lennon asked the same question.
[02:21:15] <Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7: https://www.flickr.com/photos/134595238@N06/sets/72157655688734275 may interest
[02:21:19] <ceradon> In between acid trips.
[02:21:34] <Oshwah> lol
[02:21:50] <TParis> SigmaWP: I'm not going to hold any of it against you in a matter of days - don't worry. We're just in a somewhat heated disagreement.
[02:21:55] <TParis> It's not a big deal.
[02:22:31] <SigmaWP> yeh
[02:22:44] <Oshwah> At least there's acknowledgment that it's heated and it's time to take a few steps back.
[02:22:44] <Dragonfly6-7> Ironholds, what is the cat's name
[02:22:57] <TParis> Oshwah: It's going to close in a matter of hours
[02:23:10] <Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7: the cat is called Toby
[02:23:16] <Oshwah> TParis: Yeah. Looks like a no consensus close.
[02:23:27] <ceradon> I doubt that.
[02:23:38] <Oshwah> Eh. 74%
[02:23:52] <ceradon> But, then again, there is one thing I am certain, and that is that I am certain of nothing.
[02:23:56] <Oshwah> Probably unsuccessful then.
[02:24:08] <ceradon> certain of*
[02:24:10] <Oshwah> Def not successful either way you look at it.
[02:24:39] <TParis> 74% is a cratchat.
[02:24:40] <Oshwah> Heck, maybe I should run.
[02:24:41] <ceradon> It is in the bureaucrat's discretionary range. It could go either way, really.
[02:24:52] <TParis> And I am hoping the 'crats will discount arguments that tell cyber how to spend his time
[02:25:00] <Oshwah> ^^
[02:25:12] <Oshwah> Yeah that's not a legit reason for oppose.
[02:25:19] <Oshwah> Although many people did cite good reasons.
[02:25:47] <TParis> Those are the arguments that angered me the most. I can get over Sigma's oppose. It's largely a disagreement for which there is a wide range of opinion.
[02:26:03] <TParis> But I'm pissed at the ones telling Cyber what he should do with his volunteer time.
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[02:26:15] <Oshwah> Good opposes have evidence and reason.
[02:26:31] <MJ94> 74% deems a cratchat.
[02:26:33] <MJ94> For sure.
[02:27:00] <TParis> MJ94's !vote probably sank it though
[02:27:01] <Oshwah> "reason", meaning that it involves Wikipedia directly.
[02:27:04] <MJ94> TParis: Some of the opposes were dumb.
[02:27:08] <MJ94> TParis why?
[02:27:11] <TParis> My guess is that a cratchat is going to look at MJ94 particularly
[02:27:14] <Dragonfly6-7> oppose: user smells bad
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[02:27:19] <TParis> You went from support to oppose. That means something.
[02:27:23] <MJ94> why, TParis?
[02:27:24] <MJ94> ah
[02:27:50] <MJ94> TParis: I'm sorry, I just felt more convinced in the oppose section.
[02:27:51] <MJ94> :/
[02:28:00] <MJ94> I do actually feel bad.
[02:28:27] <TParis> 'Crats are going to be trying to look at the direction the RfA was going and the strength of the overall argument. If I were a 'Crat looking at it, yeah, I'd definitely say that some of the oppose arguments were based on telling Cyber how to spend his time. On the other hand, MJ94's change shows that someone was convinced to move over from support to oppose.
[02:28:46] <Oshwah> MJ94: Just read your !vote. It's legitimate, honest, and fair
[02:29:06] <TParis> The !vote is fine and nothing to feel bad about. I'm just saying it could be the determining factor for a 'crat.
[02:29:13] <TParis> We'll have to see.
[02:29:17] <MJ94> I do feel my oppose vote was stronger than my support vote, which was basically "meh, I trust him."
[02:29:40] <MJ94> I don't THINK Cy will abuse the tools. I just said why I don't think he should have them right now.
[02:29:48] <MJ94> I didn't nag on his code.
[02:29:48] <Oshwah> I think it will be, which is a good thing when it comes to the process as a whole.
[02:29:54] <MJ94> Or him as a person.
[02:30:06] <MJ94> Or how he chooses to spend his time.
[02:30:13] <Oshwah> MJ94: No. It was fair.
[02:30:14] <MJ94> I tried to keep it civil and fair.
[02:30:17] <ceradon> The best votes are the ones that point out your strengths, weaknesses and how to get better. I realize the truth of that now.
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[02:30:32] <Oshwah> Your vote was level-headed and it addressed legitimate concerns.
[02:30:33] <MJ94> MusikAnimal: hello!
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[02:30:48] <MusikAnimal> howdy
[02:31:12] <Oshwah> Nothing to feel bad about so long as you mean well and your intentions are for the overall integrity of the project :-)
[02:31:29] <TParis> MJ94: Don't feel bad, you havent done anything wrong.
[02:31:33] <Oshwah> ^^
[02:31:42] <Oshwah> It's not easy to oppose someone you like.
[02:31:44] <TParis> I'm sorry if you got that impression from me, that's not what I mean at all.
[02:31:50] <Oshwah> I had to do it a couple times in my real life.
[02:31:55] <MJ94> TParis: Nope. I've gotten a few PMs.
[02:32:19] <MJ94> About how I'm the iceberg who sank the titanic.
[02:32:27] <Oshwah> I had friends in college that I really liked, but were in no ways professional or fit for my recommendation for a position in the company that I work at.
[02:32:34] <MJ94> where iceberg is "dick" and titanic is "RfA"
[02:32:40] <Oshwah> It's hard to say "NO".
[02:32:47] <Oshwah> But it's the right thing to do.
[02:32:53] <Oshwah> lol
[02:32:58] <MJ94> Cyber and I talked about it, and he understands. :)
[02:33:08] <MJ94> He only hates me slightly ;)
[02:33:09] <Oshwah> Good :-)
[02:33:14] <Oshwah> ha
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[02:34:47] <ceradon> There is hope though, that 73% will get Cyber a pass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/SarekOfVulcan_2 That is 72.4% and Sarek passed.
[02:35:31] <TParis> Sarek had a bit of help being that he is a former admin
[02:35:48] <TParis> That gives 'Crats a bit of leeway because they anticipate grudges
[02:35:52] <MJ94> I really think there will be a Crat Chat.
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[02:36:58] <Oshwah> We'll see what happens.
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[02:40:59] <TParis> I cannot believe how many 11-th hour opposes there have been
[02:41:01] <TParis> this is insane
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[02:41:22] <TParis> He was riding a solid 81% and then with 24-hrs to go it's been a pile on
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[02:43:20] <MJ94> Be back soon.
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[02:44:42] <MJ94> TParis: 83% now
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[02:46:53] <elee> TParis: I was one of those last minute opposes. I didn't get a chance to oppose until now because work. Regarding what appears to be hard feelings in the RfA and associated talk page, perhaps you want someone to talk to about it?
[02:50:02] <elee> feel free to ping or private me, I need to take care of something.
[02:50:26] <TParis> Elee: There are no hard feelings.
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[02:50:43] <TParis> I'm not pissed at people, I'm just angry at the situation.
[02:51:43] <elee> Do elaborate - (I do want to note you sounded quite pissed at Sigma in the talk page, was this not the intention of the language?)
[02:52:05] <TParis> Sigma is different - he's an ass and he knows it
[02:52:09] <TParis> But he's my friend so I'll forgive him
[02:52:14] <TParis> even though he's a communist
[02:52:17] <elee> TParis, that's a personal attack, please don't.
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[02:52:24] <elee> those are, rather.
[02:52:27] <SigmaWP> elee: no, i'm literally a communist
[02:52:29] <TParis> Nah, he's literally a communist
[02:52:30] <elee> s/attack/attacks
[02:52:53] <elee> His political affiliation should have no regard on wiki and here in #-en.
[02:53:06] <SigmaWP> tell that to git
[02:53:44] <elee> ?
[02:54:09] <TParis> His politicial affiliation has regard to our friendship
[02:54:09] <elee> Back on topic - TParis - what made you angry about the situation?
[02:54:26] <elee> Okay, but does that affect how you should talk to and about him on wiki?
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[02:54:42] <TParis> Doesn't really matter, WP:CIVIL is unenforceable
[02:55:04] <Oshwah> :-/
[02:55:06] <elee> unenforcable where?
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[02:55:15] <Raymie> I don’t know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SteveMX/How_did_you_get_here
[02:55:17] <SigmaWP> elee: don't worry about it, we go way back
[02:55:44] <Raymie> That user also moved his userpage to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FormerlyMyselfThatIsRight even though his username is still SteveMX
[02:55:47] <elee> Do note WP:CIVIL is one of the pillars of wikipedia. Regardless of enforcability, you should always try and adhere to it.
[02:56:14] <TParis> Elee, can you define what adhering to WP:CIVIL actually is?
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[02:56:30] <TParis> I'm not trying to pick on you, but the reason it's unenforcable is because no one can agree what violating it looks like.
[02:56:58] <elee> Sure, which is why you should always do your best to stick to it :^)
[02:57:04] <TParis> I haven't called Sigma a single name on-wiki
[02:57:17] <TParis> I haven't said anything personally about him.
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[02:57:33] <git> i'm not sure why you're calling me out
[02:57:37] <TParis> Any use of "ignorant" was in regards to his knowledge of xTools, for which he and just about everyone else here is quite truly ignorant about.
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[02:58:06] <TParis> Unless X! is in the room - but I don't see him
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[02:58:14] <TParis> MJ94 knows a bit about xTools too
[02:58:23] <elee> Your edit on the talk page of Cyberpower678's RfA seems to indicate otherwise. While you haven't called him a name or said personal things, your edit sounds like an attack on him.
[02:58:47] <TParis> Sounds like an attack, maybe. But my counter argument would be "sounds like an attack, to whom? You?"
[02:58:57] <TParis> That's the problem with enforcing WP:CIVIL
[02:59:19] <TParis> You cannot tell people to follow a strict protocol of countesies and ettiquette if it can't be defined.
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[02:59:25] <Raymie> I just went to the RFA just to be able to have an opinion.
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[02:59:47] <Raymie> If that statement were made verbally I can just imagine the snarky tone it would come with.
[02:59:51] <TParis> I'm not getting on your case, I like the thought behind WP:CIVIL and for the most part we agree.
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[03:00:23] <TParis> Raymie: Could have been snarky. Could also have been two buddies mocking each other over a beer. You can't know unless you were in my head when I wrote it.
[03:00:39] <TParis> I'm not trying to play games - I'll admit right now I intended it to be snarky.
[03:00:48] <TParis> I'm telling you what the difficulties in enforcing WP:CIVIL are
[03:00:54] <Raymie> I came in here as an outside observer with no knowledge of the situation.
[03:01:11] <Raymie> I’ll just reiterate that I’m here because I wanted admin advice about some userpages of another user.
[03:01:13] <TParis> Raymie: Perfect example then. I'm not yelling at you, but it appears you perceive me as yelling at you.
[03:01:16] <elee> Back.
[03:01:24] <elee> It sounds like an attack to Sigma.
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[03:01:49] <TParis> And that's the problem with enforcing WP:CIVIL. The non-verbals are not communicated over text and 80%? of communication is non-verbal.
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[03:02:09] <TParis> These are arguments that have played out on ANI and Arbcom so many times.
[03:02:14] <TParis> I've closed a lot of these conversations myself.
[03:02:15] <elee> TParis: You state "You're one to talk, Σ."
[03:02:27] <git> i don't see how anything he said can be seen as an attack
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[03:02:54] <TParis> Elee: Not an attack.
[03:03:00] <TParis> Snarky, maybe. Not an attack.
[03:03:37] <Raymie> Any admins around that could send me a private message so I can get some advice?
[03:03:39] <git> i'd also like to point out that the quality, or lack thereof, of code is literally 100% unrelated to being an admin. an admin can't just decide to run a bot without approval
[03:03:46] <elee> I'll also say this being an outsider to the entire situation: your anger appears to be fired by the fact that you were a nominator for the RfA, and you're angry because it may not succeed. If Cyberpower678 doesn't become an admin, that's AOK!
[03:03:52] <SigmaWP> git: Then don't overplay it when you're running for adminship.
[03:03:58] <SigmaWP> is 'overplay' a word
[03:03:58] <git> "your code is shit, you're not allowed to block people"
[03:04:31] <elee> git: so I'm going to now move from being an outsider and say a summary of sorts what my oppose said.
[03:05:06] <elee> There are supports for Cyberpower678 to have the toolset as an editor, but as many opposes stated, this is unfounded because of his lack of experience in AfD for example.
[03:05:06] <git> i also know that you aren't an outsider, because i watched you two colaborate on your opposes.
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[03:05:35] <TParis> Elee: That'd be an attack.
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[03:05:56] <elee> There are also supports for his abilities as an editor with technical expertise, but a good number of opposes maintain that Cyberpower678 has already enough to deal with for example.
[03:06:22] <elee> TParis: do explain how that is an attack - I'll retract if I'm attacking Cyberpower678 as a person.
[03:06:26] <TParis> Your presuming that I am angry because people didn't agree with me and your presumption is exactly the kind of behavior WP:NPA is for.
[03:06:39] <elee> Ah this is in regards to my 23:05:07EST?
[03:06:49] <TParis> If you want to know why someone feels a certain way - ask them. Hell, don't even presume they feel that way. Ask people how they feel and why.
[03:07:09] <elee> As a matter of fact, I did twice.
[03:07:26] <elee> I explained to you what I saw as an outsider from your edits to that section in the talk page.
[03:07:27] <TParis> And I answered you.
[03:07:33] <TParis> "There are no hard feelings."
[03:07:35] <elee> hrm, standby.
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[03:08:41] <Earwig> been a while since I was in an IRC channel with such lively discussion...
[03:08:41] <git> pretty mature of you to ban me from somebody else's channel where i haven't spoken in several hours
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[03:08:54] <TParis> Ahh hi Earwig
[03:08:58] <elee> this is in regards to your 22:52:05 regarding you being angry at the situation. I asked you why you were angry at the situation.
[03:09:05] <Earwig> git: sigma's just a fuck, I'll unban you in a sec
[03:09:08] <git> thanks for reminding me why i crashed your rfa, the lack of maturity.
[03:09:10] <Earwig> TParis: howdy
[03:09:21] <SigmaWP> Earwig: I consider that to be uncivil behaviour
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[03:09:50] <MJ94> TParis: back
[03:09:57] <SigmaWP> MJ94: You missed the show
[03:09:59] <MJ94> you pinged me re: xTools?
[03:10:00] <elee> haha, it looks like ##earwig is spilling over =]
[03:10:07] <MJ94> SigmaWP: I have scrollbacl
[03:10:08] <elee> afi
[03:10:28] <MJ94> elee: I think there's a difference between friendly banter and NPA
[03:10:34] <MJ94> friendly banter being SigmaWP and TParis
[03:10:46] <SigmaWP> oh so that's what this is about?
[03:10:59] <SigmaWP> elee: it's okay, we fuck with each other all the time
[03:11:03] <MJ94> no, the hokey pokey's what it's all about
[03:11:04] <SigmaWP> well, we used to.
[03:11:17] <MJ94> [22:10:51] <SigmaWP> elee: it's okay, we fuck with each other all the time
[03:11:29] <TParis> MJ94: Kinda sorta. I was saying that short of you, just about everyone in here is ignorant about XTools
[03:11:41] <MJ94> ಠ_ಠ
[03:11:45] <MJ94> TParis: d'aww. <3
[03:12:16] <MJ94> TParis: I don't code for Wikipedia, but I am a CS major.
[03:12:19] <JeDa> Hi MJ94
[03:12:21] <MJ94> So I'm not stupid about it :)
[03:12:22] <TParis> Heh, it's just a matter of fact. No one else has a clue what the code looks like or how they operate or what kind of cronjobs are needed.
[03:12:23] <MJ94> JeDa: yo
[03:12:30] <MJ94> ^
[03:12:35] <TParis> Ahh, I thought you helped Cyber with them
[03:13:09] <MJ94> TParis: I didn't help code, but I know about them.
[03:13:17] <MJ94> And I'm not ignorant of his work.
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[03:15:19] <MJ94> {Soap}: soapy <3
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[03:17:06] <TheSonOfCera> Come to think of it, there really should be a notability guideline for youtubers.
[03:17:58] <Sir_Designer> TheSonOfCera you mean ppl who are only notable for being notorious users or channel-holders of You Tube?
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[03:19:27] <IDoH> Or, maybe just a notability guideline for the internet famous. We would need independent sourcing, nonetheless, to prevent libel, something usually quite impossible to obtain if you're *just* internet famous.
[03:20:25] <TheSonOfCera> As more and more people become famous from YouTube and the like, it is incumbent upon us to weed out what should and should not belong.
[03:20:42] <Sir_Designer> IDoH I suppose just internet famous can be measured by appearing in RSes, like, some press about internet
[03:20:49] <IDoH> Sir_Designer: True.
[03:21:03] <TheSonOfCera> Depth of coverage would definitely apply, as should WP:GNG
[03:21:28] <IDoH> So, WP:GNG formally + WP:42 informally should do.
[03:21:37] <{Soap}> hi
[03:21:39] <Sir_Designer> I'm thinking of Rebecca Black, the terrible singer, for example. And Lilly Alen for a good stretch of her beginnings was like that.
[03:22:01] <TheSonOfCera> Well, Rebecca Black is famous for being terrible.
[03:22:20] <Sir_Designer> but is that backed up by say a famous RS
[03:24:09] <MJ94> yes
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[03:25:55] <Sir_Designer> TheSonOfCera I am thinking, visualize a regular bullseye target. What we know as true is all of the target and some pettycoat around it, the white, But what we can put down to RSes and thus consider includable in Wikipedia is much less than that, much closer to the region of the bullseye itself.
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[03:27:03] <TheSonOfCera> That's a fair point.
[03:27:40] <Sir_Designer> so, the notability of any one thing, including Rebecca Blackm or any YouTubber, has to fall on that. Somewhere.
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[03:28:26] <{Soap}> it seems like Rebecca Black is doing quite well with her career now
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[03:29:00] <{Soap}> keegan is flooding again
[03:29:07] <Sir_Designer> {Soap} hiya Soapski. So Rebecca Black will likely easily be citable for her career and for being terrible even, by some RS
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[03:31:03] <foks> oh my
[03:31:09] <MJ94> Can we temp ban him?
[03:31:15] <MJ94> if it continues?
[03:31:34] <TheSonOfCera> IDoH, in addition to WP:GNG + WP:42, do you think that verification on YouTube, facebook, etc should mean anything? Re: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3046484?hl=en-GB
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[03:33:25] <MJ94> If it happens again, I'll call !0ps.
[03:33:45] <MJ94> Just because it's spammy, not because he's doing it on purpose.
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[03:34:07] <MJ94> foks: are you an op?
[03:34:08] <elee> time to get an IRC client that ignores joins/parts/quits!
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[03:34:44] <MJ94> !ops Keegan's spam
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[03:35:17] <comets> destroy KEEGAN!
[03:35:17] <{Soap}> thanks
[03:35:31] <{Soap}> hes probably on like 18 other channels though
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[03:35:35] <MJ94> foks: #wikipedia-en-help if you can too, please
[03:35:36] <foks> probably
[03:37:19] <comets> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2845960960/tt1431045 lol love him..
[03:39:06] <Sir_Designer> {Soap} AAPL has gotten into Yankee New Englander ways with its newest ads
[03:39:26] <{Soap}> hM
[03:39:29] <{Soap}> /*hmm??
[03:39:35] <Sir_Designer> "Apple tonight debuted two brand new iPhone 6 ads that appear to be a part of a new marketing campaign. The ads feature a voice over detailing what makes an iPhone unique compared to other smart phones and smart phone platforms while showing off multiple iPhones doing different things on a white background. Both ads end with a new tagline: "If it's not an iPhone, it's not an iPhone." "
[03:40:06] <Sir_Designer> sort of like "you can't get there from here" mentality
[03:41:29] <{Soap}> i never really undetstood that
[03:42:15] <Sir_Designer> https://youtu.be/3JnWCSyXLC8
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[03:43:43] <{Soap}> i wonder how many cities in Europe are named after locations in America
[03:44:20] <{Soap}> I know there's a Mexico in the Philippines
[03:44:20] <Sir_Designer> would have to be relatively new places
[03:44:31] <{Soap}> nd its no coincidence, it really is named after Mexico
[03:44:46] <{Soap}> and there's a "Kalifornien" in Germany, but i dont think its actually a town, its just a beach resort
[03:45:03] <Sir_Designer> most places in Europe are older than 300 years
[03:45:32] <{Soap}> hmm no there is a "settlement" at least called Kalifornien
[03:46:03] <Sir_Designer> did you know that Hopi villages are thought to be oldest continually inhabited places in United States? Sonce at least 700 AD
[03:46:19] <{Soap}> yeah, that makes sense
[03:47:14] <Sir_Designer> I made an elaborate joke about that sort of thing, but the butt of my joke was Kentucky http://www.last.fm/user/Mareklug
[03:47:56] <{Soap}> maybe there'll be a Kentucky in China someday
[03:49:08] <TheSonOfCera> I'd be surprised if there isn't.
[03:49:32] <TheSonOfCera> 1.3 billion people and KFC isn't milking that cow for all it's worth?
[03:49:58] <Sir_Designer> no, there are KFCs in China, bu they are never spelled out!
[03:50:02] <{Soap}> oh they are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFC_in_China
[03:50:11] <{Soap}> KFC has 4563 stores in China
[03:50:24] <{Soap}> they loooooove fried chicken ove rthere
[03:50:26] <{Soap}> i mean who doesnt?
[03:50:32] <{Soap}> well, india doesnt
[03:50:37] <Sir_Designer> but I think none of them say ever on anything "Kentucky Fried Chicken".
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[03:51:17] <{Soap}> there;s an urban legend that it's called KFC because they cut corners so much that the meat they served wasnt even primarily chicken anymore
[03:51:28] <comets> KFC is big in North Korea............. Kim's fried chicken i.e ..
[03:51:45] <GEOFBOT> aha ha ha ha ha
[03:57:05] <Sir_Designer> oh my, on another front: Taylor Swift
[03:57:24] <Sir_Designer> https://youtu.be/QcIy9NiNbmo Published on May 17, 2015
[03:57:51] <Sir_Designer> Taylor Swift - Bad Blood ft. Kendrick Lamar
[03:58:16] <Sir_Designer> Taylor Swift certainly has changed since being a country singer maiden
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[04:07:23] <TheSonOfCera> Ha!
[04:08:41] <TheSonOfCera> She forever sings about relationships, though. Good ones, bad ones, Romeo-and-Juliet-esque ones, etc.
[04:09:55] <Sir_Designer> ...but goodness. This has to be about the least Politically Correct video for young people ever.
[04:11:13] <SuicidalZerg> lol
[04:11:23] <SuicidalZerg> I have 21 followers on my current Twitter account...
[04:11:40] <SuicidalZerg> And I have 81 followers on my last one, which I used during my Wikipedia days long ago xD
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[04:17:36] <Sir_Designer> @mareklug I have just 13. But then, I only started couple months ago to tweet and still don't really do it all that often
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[04:20:08] <{Soap}> wow 13 in two months is actually pretty good
[04:20:23] <Sir_Designer> and 30 tweets
[04:20:51] <Sir_Designer> but what does the white checkmark on a blue dily mean?
[04:20:58] <Sir_Designer> doily *
[04:21:57] <Sir_Designer> I see it on some of those that I am following
[04:23:28] <TheSonOfCera> It means that that account is a verified account.
[04:23:31] <TheSonOfCera> https://support.twitter.com/groups/31-twitter-basics/topics/111-features/articles/119135-about-verified-accounts
[04:23:53] <Sir_Designer> and verified accounts protexct famous people, right?
[04:23:56] <TheSonOfCera> It asserts that the person who that person says they are, they really are.
[04:24:05] <TheSonOfCera> Yes, basically.
[04:24:23] <Sir_Designer> "Verification is currently used to establish authenticity of identities of key individuals and brands on Twitter."
[04:25:17] <Sir_Designer> and: We do not accept requests for verification from the general public. If you fall under one of the above categories and your Twitter account meets our qualifications for verification, we may contact you in the future.
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[04:28:04] <Sir_Designer> ....are these over the top or what do you think about having them? https://about.twitter.com/resources/buttons
[04:32:13] <TheSonOfCera> I mean...
[04:32:24] <TheSonOfCera> It makes business sense for them to do it.
[04:32:45] <TheSonOfCera> And I see those buttons (Facebook share, tweet, etc.) everywhere.
[04:33:21] <TheSonOfCera> In today's culture, where apparently everythink is a Kodak moment, I don't think it's over the top.
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[04:34:39] <TheSonOfCera> everything*
[04:38:08] <MJ94> jackmcbarn: hi!
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[04:41:44] <MJ94> jackmcbarn: hi now? :)
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[04:46:55] <MJ94> TheMesquito: how's it going, there? ;)
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[05:00:14] <jackmcbarn> MJ94: i'm here for real now
[05:00:44] <MJ94> jackmcbarn: hello :P
[05:01:22] <jackmcbarn> my cpu fan was making noise and disturbing me, and for the want of a nail the kingdom was lost
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[05:15:59] <MJ94> any admin bored and wanna click a button?
[05:16:20] <Earwig> what sort of button
[05:16:24] <comets> no more porn link MJ94 :P
[05:16:35] <MJ94> comets: fine.
[05:16:43] <MJ94> Earwig: a fancy delete button
[05:16:53] <Earwig> what do you want me to delete?
[05:16:56] <MJ94> Earwig: are you up for the challenge?
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[05:17:01] <Earwig> uhh
[05:17:04] <Earwig> maybe
[05:17:06] <MJ94> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FormerlyMyselfThatIsRight
[05:17:19] <MJ94> and by challenge I mean a non-controversial delete
[05:17:27] <Earwig> done
[05:17:41] <MJ94> that was fast
[05:17:42] <MJ94> o_o
[05:17:45] <MJ94> thanks
[05:17:48] <Earwig> no problem
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[05:35:17] <{Soap}> Google doesnt really moderate the photos that people post of places on Google Maps, do they?
[05:36:09] <MJ94> {Soap}: not well
[05:36:30] <{Soap}> someone posted five absolutely useless photos of a derpartment store
[05:40:28] <MJ94> lol
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[05:59:47] <SigmaWP> Ironholds: What other non-normal distributions should I know that aren't the chi and t ones?
[06:12:20] <TParis> dear god - the stupid never ends
[06:12:59] <TParis> It never fucking ends
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[06:20:51] <MJ94> TParis: RfA?
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[06:21:50] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: night
[06:22:11] <{soap|bed}> goodnight
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[06:38:19] <Neutralhomer> Is anyone else getting a "Upload Failed: Invalid Token" message when trying to upload an image to English Wikipedia? Gotten it 3 times in a row now.
[06:40:13] <Neutralhomer> Make that 4 times now.
[06:43:11] <Neutralhomer> !admin Need help with the image uploader. Keep getting an "Upload Failed: Invalid Token" message.
[06:43:23] <Shirik> uh
[06:43:27] <Shirik> what do you want an admin to do?
[06:43:37] <Neutralhomer> Figure out what that means.
[06:43:43] <Neutralhomer> that would be a good start. :)
[06:43:57] <Neutralhomer> Then tell me what to do.
[06:43:59] <Shirik> I do not understand why you think admins would be any better of a candidate for that than any other user
[06:44:16] <Keegan> Neutralhomer: using upload wizard?
[06:44:22] <Neutralhomer> yup.
[06:44:27] <Keegan> I can't fix it but I can tell you the problem
[06:44:34] <Neutralhomer> OK
[06:44:51] <Keegan> Upload wizard is generating a session token that is either failing or expiring before the upload is complete
[06:45:12] <Keegan> If the upload is taking awhile, it might be the expiring token
[06:45:20] <Keegan> But that's as far as I can diagnose :)
[06:45:38] <Neutralhomer> I was typing as fast as I could. :) So, pretty much just keep trying to upload it?
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[06:45:46] <Keegan> Neutralhomer: Yes
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[06:45:59] <Neutralhomer> Okie Dokie, thank you, that explained it for me. :)
[06:46:06] <Neutralhomer> Sleep well.
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[07:20:21] <Jeske_Couriano> Anyone having issues loading WP?
[07:21:44] <MJ94> Jeske_Couriano: nope
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[07:29:32] <Jeske_Couriano> Last four REFUND requests all have some misunderstanding of how WP works :(
[07:31:08] <Jeske_Couriano> One seems to think Wikipedia is a social network, another is claiming free speech forbids us from deleting his article about what I assume is an Indian politician, a third is basically asking for a redirect to be removed so they can put some sort of advert in its place, and the last one is requesting undeletion of a page killed at AfD and salted at DRV.
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[08:01:44] <Qcoder00> Hmm - http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/wikipedia-as-propaganda-not-history-mh17-as-an-example/
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[08:06:49] <KimiNewt> "As an example: wikipedia’s English-language article about the 17 July 2014 shoot-down of the MH17 Malaysian airliner is a shameless propaganda-piece by the U.S. Government and its agents."
[08:06:53] <KimiNewt> This guy sounds unbiased
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[08:08:12] <KimiNewt> But I don't know anything about the MH17 case so Ican't say anything about the evidence he presents
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[10:04:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> KimiNewt MH17 was shot down by a grad missle
[10:04:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Inan area in war wearing russian uniforms "they got from sports stores and in no way affilated with russian military"
[10:06:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Its like greece shooting down an israeli aircraft and blaming it on troyka
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[10:08:14] <Guest76885> hello wikipedia people
[10:08:19] <Guest76885> how are you doing?
[10:08:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we hereby welcome you
[10:08:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we are doing wikipedia things
[10:08:40] <Guest76885> what do you mean by wikipedia things?
[10:08:45] <Guest76885> can we ask you questions?
[10:08:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> editing
[10:08:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> etc
[10:09:03] <Guest76885> what country do you come from?
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[12:51:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRM0-FT0tUA O_O
[12:51:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Updated PokéRap (With All 718 Pokemon)
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[14:12:59] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia | Status: Up - http://status.wikimedia.org/ | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Need a chanop? Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request>; for revdel, /join #wikipedia-en-revdel | No public logging'
[14:12:59] * Set by NotASpy!~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick on Thu Jul 09 02:53:16 2015
[14:12:59] #wikipedia-en url is https://en.wikipedia.org/
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[15:36:57] <darev> Hello!
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[16:07:56] <AtomicBazooka> ^Darkwind_ are you online? I am caught in your wikipedia rangeblock
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[16:10:18] <AtomicBazooka> AtomicBazooka,
[16:10:57] <AtomicBazooka> hey darkwind, are you on line? I am caught in your massively oversized rangeblock on Wikipedia.
[16:12:35] <AtomicBazooka> Any Wikipedia administrators getting this message, please respond.
[16:13:55] <AtomicBazooka> Anyone online please respond.
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[16:14:53] <AtomicBazooka> There are a lot of users in this room - but not one responsive one.
[16:15:27] <AtomicBazooka> Third time I've logged in, and I haven't seen a message from anyone but me.
[16:16:32] <foks> AtomicBazooka, #wikipedia-en-unblock
[16:16:41] <foks> personally too busy to deal though
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[16:16:48] <AtomicBazooka> impossible.
[16:17:20] <foks> what is
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[16:18:00] <AtomicBazooka> I can't get ahold of anyone. It appears a major vandal in the same IP range as me, and Darkwind blocked what seems to be all of the area's Verizon mobile data, including me
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[16:19:49] <AtomicBazooka> It makes sense, though. Mobile data IP's change each use, so it makes sense that if a vandal used a cellphone, they would need a range block. They must be on the same tower, so if I could see their location, I could probably pay them a visit after which it would no longer be an issue
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[16:21:25] <foks> AtomicBazooka, go to the channel I just linked you to
[16:21:58] <AtomicBazooka> oh thanks
[16:22:06] <AtomicBazooka> I didnt realize it was a channel
[16:22:20] <AtomicBazooka> I thought you meant the useless template for my talk page
[16:22:23] <AtomicBazooka> on wp
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[16:54:17] <Amortias> !admin preferebly one with access to OTRS
[16:54:27] <Shirik> don't have OTRS
[16:55:21] <Amortias> need access to a ticket to make a judgement on a block i think needs implementing so kind of need someone who deos
[16:55:29] <Amortias> you'll need*
[16:57:15] <JohnFLewis> Amortias: why do people demand admins for these things :(
[16:57:48] <Amortias> mostly cos i cant apply the block myself or reveal the info off OTRS to get it done on wiki...
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[22:26:03] <git> Ironholds: you need to send a big card to Reddit now
[22:26:22] <Ironholds> git, why?
[22:26:32] <Ironholds> oh, the metric shitstorm around their platform?
[22:26:40] <Ironholds> I no longer work within walking distance of their office
[22:26:46] <git> aw
[22:26:52] <git> Boriss works there though!
[22:27:01] <MJ94> Ironholds: Hey, can I PM you? :)
[22:27:56] <Ironholds> MJ94, sure!
[22:29:29] <git> i feel bad for her
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[22:29:51] <MJ94> git: so do I
[22:29:56] <MJ94> People were rude.
[22:30:01] <git> she was still at mozilla last april, and now at reddit dealing with this
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[22:42:08] <NotASpy> it's certainly a strong message for Lila and the WMF board to remember.
[22:43:48] <Schroeder> dammit
[22:43:55] <Schroeder> why is Ellen Pao caving to the misogynist shitheads?
[22:43:57] <Schroeder> fuck 'em
[22:44:02] <Schroeder> she was in the right, they're in the wrong
[22:44:04] <Schroeder> it's really that simple
[22:44:30] <NotASpy> nothing is that simple.
[22:45:41] <Amortias> i feel ive missed somethign important?
[22:46:00] <NotASpy> Reddit's CEO has resigned.
[22:46:35] <Schroeder> Ellen Pao had the sheer unmitigated gall to be a person with a vagina and assert that hetful shitheads aren't welcome on reddit
[22:46:41] <Schroeder> naturally, the hateful shitheads didn't appreciate that
[22:47:18] <Amortias> it is strange that the hateful shitheads get more open support than everyone else, is like everyone wants to be a badguy
[22:47:24] <NotASpy> or maybe she was just fucking useless and gender didn't come into it.
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[22:57:46] <git> she didn't know how to use reddit
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[23:03:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy did reddit reddit that?
[23:03:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and Reddit had a ceo?
[23:04:09] <NotASpy> yes, ToAruShiroiNeko. There's an AMA about the sacking and old CEO taking over again.
[23:04:13] <Schroeder> NotASpy: except she wasn't "fucking useless"
[23:04:18] <Schroeder> she made a great deal of positive change
[23:04:33] <Schroeder> but she was a woman, and she told the children they had to behave like decent human beings
[23:04:42] <Schroeder> being misogynist shitheads, they didn't appreciate that
[23:04:43] <Schroeder> but fuck 'em
[23:04:47] <Schroeder> she was right and they were wrong
[23:05:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy a sub redit too?
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[23:05:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Schroeder you really want to "fuck 'em"
[23:05:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wouldnt that create more of them?
[23:06:59] <TheMesquito> Um, what?
[23:07:04] <TheMesquito> She was useless
[23:07:42] <NotASpy> Schroeder: there's a significant catalogue of problems she didn't address. She didn't cause these problems or fail to address them because she was female, but because she wasn't brilliant at her job.
[23:07:59] <TheMesquito> I'm not saying stuff about the entire banning of FPH and what not, that sub was cancer. But she was working hard to not adress problems and all and caused a few herself
[23:08:11] <TheMesquito> s/and/at
[23:08:15] <NotASpy> Schroeder: WMF is in the same problem. Sue left us with a lot of issues, Lila might fix them, but none of the problems are because Sue or Lila are female.
[23:08:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy you mean gender does not qurantee success ?
[23:08:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> gurantee
[23:09:00] <NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: strangely not. Look at the enormous cluster fuck Steve Balmer left at Microsoft.
[23:09:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy come now
[23:09:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Balmer made BING a thing.
[23:09:24] <TheMesquito> Your gender does not matter if you suck at your job
[23:09:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or blow at it
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[23:10:03] <NotASpy> and their maps are good, but people like Balmer also let Windows Me be a thing. And a thing is all it can be described as. An operating system that doesn't operate.
[23:10:52] <NotASpy> and how many male execs at Google have allowed some of their crap to be let loose. Their failed Wikipedia clone thing, that's long since died.
[23:11:32] <NotASpy> Knol. Which I needed Wikipedia to find.
[23:12:28] <Schroeder> what problems was she not addressing or causing, exactly?
[23:12:41] <NotASpy> that was kicked off by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udi_Manber who appears to be male.
[23:13:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!
[23:13:17] <TheMesquito> NotASpy: And, to be fair, giving her the CEO postiton was kinda like a last FU to the comunity from Yishan when he steped down
[23:13:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think Balmer was into real estate
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[23:15:46] <NotASpy> Schroeder: breakdown between Reddit and the community. Wired has a decent article about it all. http://www.wired.com/2015/07/reddit-ceo-ellen-pao-steps-down-huffman-replacement/
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[23:16:14] <Schroeder> there was no breakdown
[23:16:22] <Schroeder> people went apsehit over something that wasn't their business
[23:16:23] <Schroeder> look
[23:16:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Wired Reddit is Wired
[23:16:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Weird
[23:16:32] <Schroeder> just like there is no o pposition to Barack Obama from the right that is not ultimately motivated by the fact that he has black skin, there is no opposition to Ellen Pao from on reddit that is not ultimately motivated by the fact that she has a vagina
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[23:16:37] <Schroeder> very few things in this world are that simple
[23:16:40] <Schroeder> but this is one of them
[23:17:23] <NotASpy> of course there is. There are lots of people who don't care if she's a woman, but do care if she's not competent to by a CEO.
[23:17:38] <Schroeder> no, they care
[23:17:41] <Schroeder> they might not admit it
[23:17:51] <Schroeder> but that's what it amounts to, at a fundamental level
[23:17:56] <Schroeder> because she was quite competent as a CEO
[23:17:59] <NotASpy> so it's sub-conscious sexism.
[23:17:59] <Schroeder> that's just handwaving
[23:18:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Wait, obama is black?
[23:18:08] <TheMesquito> Schroeder: Have you used the mod tools or serch on reddit? Its atouchos and they are basicly ignoring pull requests on the github page. Also they could have just said to the IAmA mods "Hey, we are letting victora go so you need to set something else up"
[23:18:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I thought obama supposed to be a muslim
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[23:18:39] <Schroeder> ToAruShiroiNeko: he's an atheist, didn'tya know?
[23:18:41] <TheMesquito> But no, they just decieded to leve them in the dark about it and leave them to scramble to find something that works
[23:18:49] <Schroeder> though I guess there's no difference between that and being a Muslim
[23:18:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> There is
[23:19:07] <NotASpy> and she was not a competent CEO. The business model which has precipitated her resignation was user growth which couldn't be sustained. It couldn't be sustained because the site is flaky and the community is pissed.
[23:19:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> atheists dont go to mosque
[23:19:18] <Schroeder> ToAruShiroiNeko: muslim atheists do, obviously
[23:19:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> is that even possible?
[23:19:34] <Schroeder> dunno
[23:19:43] <Schroeder> I'm being facetious (about the atheist = muslim thing), obviously
[23:20:15] <TheMesquito> Also, for one of the biggest sites on the Internet, reddits servers still suck
[23:20:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Schroeder of course you are
[23:20:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :)
[23:21:11] <NotASpy> it's not a site I use a lot, but I do seem to get server overloaded errors quite often. Imgur too. Wikipedia much less so, actually.
[23:21:27] <NotASpy> my god, I'm extolling the virtues of WMF. Eek.
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[23:22:16] <TheMesquito> NotASpy: Imgur is infamous for overloads
[23:22:24] <TheMesquito> Although it is getting better
[23:22:43] <NotASpy> it seems to work at the times I use it, 99.9% of the time.
[23:23:57] <TheMesquito> NotASpy: Peak times will usaly cause overload pages, but mostly it is good
[23:24:16] <TheMesquito> It used to be worse though
[23:24:29] <NotASpy> a big news event is a problem for us too, but that's due to people trying to edit rather than just view pages.
[23:26:19] <TheMesquito> Yeah, they had to full protect Robin Williams page when he died due to it almost taking down the cluster
[23:27:14] <NotASpy> yeah, took a bit of consulting with the devs on what to do.
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[23:39:21] <Katie> Not quite devs.
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[23:39:39] <Katie> It's always a bit embarrassing when a site stampede happens like that and we can't handle it.
[23:39:49] <Katie> Bottlenecks, y'know.
[23:39:55] <Katie> And caching!
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[23:40:29] <Bsadowski1> MZM
[23:40:35] <Bsadowski1> Do you play PC games?
[23:41:00] <Bsadowski1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7KkdINnN_8 :D
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[23:43:33] <Katie> Not really.
[23:43:37] <Katie> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105564
[23:44:15] <Katie> That wasn't really intended for this channel.
[23:44:26] <Katie> I thought I was in #wikimedia.
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[23:45:22] <foks> Katie, we still appreciate iy.
[23:45:26] <foks> Also it.
[23:45:29] <foks> Also you.
[23:45:30] <foks> :)
[23:45:42] <Sir_Designer__> Ironholds: https://www.cs.umd.edu/~vs/pubs/KDD15-VEWS-Wikipedia-vandals.pdf
[23:46:15] <Sir_Designer__> foks: you too ^^
[23:47:25] <foks> uh, thanks
[23:47:36] <foks> :P
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[23:48:02] <Sir_Designer__> I read half of the abstract.
[23:48:14] <Sir_Designer__> Got excited ;)
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[23:49:23] <Katie> foks: I'm the best.
[23:49:32] <foks> imdabes
[23:49:40] <Katie> foks in a box.
[23:49:48] <foks> imdabee-eee-eeeees
[23:50:10] <Katie> foks: What do you think about the label?
[23:50:30] <Sir_Designer__> Katie: you are the bee's knees.
[23:50:37] <Katie> I know.
[23:50:45] <foks> I don't know.
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[23:55:00] <SigmaWP> Schroeder: NotASpy notice how she was replaced by a white guy
[23:55:04] <SigmaWP> bamboo ceiling at work
[23:55:53] <NotASpy> it'll be interesting to see where she ends up working next.
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