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[00:25] <MJ94> TParis: I love puppies. He isn't a puppy.
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[00:26] <TParis> Ohh, so it's kittens you want to throw into a tree shredder?  I see how it is!
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[00:29] <MJ94> TParis: HOW DID YOU KNOW
[00:30] <TParis> Well, it's a secret hobby of most people - so it was a good guess
[00:30] <comets> kittehs are more awesome than poopies :(
[00:30] <TParis> lol
[00:34] <MJ94> +hat_collector>	TParis edited [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Cyberpower678]]: /* Oppose */ I'm hopeless
[00:35] <MJ94> now you admit it
[00:35] <TParis> Ohh, I've admitted it more than once
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[01:14] <Carliitaeliza> I want to work can someone give a edition gift (a homework) to edit or expand
[01:15] <nonsenseferret> on what subject
[01:15] <Carliitaeliza> I'm bored creating the
[01:15] <Carliitaeliza> Oh
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[01:15] <Carliitaeliza> Mental health
�06[01:16] * Sir_Designer__ ...avec ton bassin
[01:17] <nonsenseferret> there's one could do with more info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Edinburgh_Hospital
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[01:20] <TParis> I know of an actress that doesn't have an article
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[01:20] <TParis> She's been in several prominent roles
[01:20] <TParis> a DYK might even be possible
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[01:22] <Carliitaeliza> More specifically may be for example different types of schizophrenia if there is a "stub" or a stub catefory of mental health
[01:22] <Carliitaeliza> And look for an article to expand
[01:23] <nonsenseferret> presumably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mental_health_stubs
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[01:27] <Sir_Designer__> Hi Tom. Which unhappy actress is that?
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�06[01:29] * Sir_Designer__ des ronds avec ton ba$$in. -- Yelle
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[01:37] <Carliitaeliza> Agrrr I don't have head >_<
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[02:13] <Carliitaeliza> Sir_Designer that humor sense you have
[02:13] <Carliitaeliza> Unhappy actress lol
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[02:27] <MJ94> Look how fancy my userpage is :P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MJ94
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[03:00] <{Soap}> hi everypuppy
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[03:28] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
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[03:32] <{Soap}> cherry strawberry raspberry plum watermelon pomegranate cranberry
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[03:38] <{Soap}> thats whats inside me now
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[03:38] <{Soap}> what was that company that made a "new fruit" just so they could call it a flavor? i forget
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[03:46] <Sri_Designer> {Soap} as icecream or as indie fresh fruit?
[03:49] <{Soap}> i think it was lip balm
[03:49] <{Soap}> although there was also a candy company doing that, but they werent serious
[03:49] <{Soap}> all i remember is "banamelber" for a banana + (water?)melon + strawberry mashup
[03:50] <closedmouth> snozberries?
[03:51] <{Soap}> i gooogled it and someone used "Banamelber" as a surname, which goes to show that you cant  really trust all those ancestry sites that seem to be so Fort Knox-like secure
[03:51] <{Soap}> people can load up anyuthing
[03:51] <Sri_Designer> closedmouth http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/the-filthiest-joke-ever-hidden-in-childrens-movie/
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[03:52] <darev> Hello!
[03:52] <Sri_Designer> darev Hello!
[03:57] <darev> hi, Sri_Designer!
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[03:57] <Sri_Designer> foks I have discovered that Torres' new album _Sprinter_ was recorded by thePJ Harvey's producer and some famous musicians from electronica and shoegaze worlds ...in Dorsett.  So McKenzie Scott a.k.a. Torres (after her grandmother's maiden name)  DOES visit UK.
[03:58] <Sri_Designer> darev how are you doing?
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[04:00] <foks> Sri_Designer, well okay
[04:01] <Sri_Designer> and, I have put in hours of hours listening to it, and I like it bettr than the S/T that you said you have.  And there is a KEXP.org 20 minute micro live show/interview with her, that would approximate a live concert.
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[04:33] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare: around? :)
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[04:50] <{Soap}> hmm the Jetsons takes place in 2062
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[04:51] <{Soap}> therell probably be at least a few people who watched that show as a kid, young enough to believe that it would really happen
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[04:54] <{Soap}> at least we have the Internet
[04:54] <{Soap}> the Jetsons had no Internet
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[05:04] <MJ94> amen {Soap}
[05:04] <MJ94> I like internetz
[05:04] <SigmaWP> TParis: hi
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[05:06] <{Soap}> http://www.superdickery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/116_4_128.jpg <--this has always been one of my favorite examples of optimistic future technologu
[05:06] <{Soap}> it was published in 1959
[05:06] <{Soap}> in 40 yrs they thought we would all be floating around in spoaceships
[05:08] <MJ94> {Soap}: you around to do a quick admin task?
[05:08] <MJ94> Also, I wish we floated around in spaceships
[05:12] <{Soap}> hi
[05:12] <{Soap}> yeah
[05:13] <{Soap}> i think someone should sit down and write a good sceiecne fiction novel/movie where people have present day technology except that hovercrafts exist and work quite well
[05:13] <{Soap}> see how radically cociety would change if just that one advance were made
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[05:15] <{Soap}> north koraew would probably shut down
[05:15] <comets> \o/
[05:16] <{Soap}> well, no, thats where it gets complicated.  Its one thing to say that people will have hovercars.  Quite another to suppose that they would be cheap enough to be available even in places like N Korea
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[05:25] <TParis> heh {Soap}, you're clarification didn't help much.  I can't find where Sigma's RfA came into the picture before you.
[05:25] <TParis> SigmaWP: Die a slow painful communist death!
[05:25] <TParis> With love! :)
[05:26] <{Soap}> hi TParis
[05:26] <TParis> {Soap} Wasn't that movie already done?
[05:26] <{Soap}> it's in Leaky caldron's Q17
[05:26] <TParis> Robbin William's Flubber?
[05:26] <{Soap}> possibly. i dont really watch movies
[05:28] <TParis> Robin Williams uses his Flubber technology to create a hover car :)
[05:28] <TParis> And big negatory on Leaky
[05:31] <SigmaWP> TParis: you're a programmer right?
[05:35] <TParis> yeah
[05:35] <SigmaWP> thanks
�06[05:35] * TParis smells a rebuttal coming
[05:36] <SigmaWP> I'm trying to decide whether I should post my reply on WP or in here
[05:36] <TParis> You're welcome to go either way, but I'm sure I'll have a rebuttal to your rebuttal of my rebuttal
[05:36] <SigmaWP> lamest of the lame
[05:37] <TParis> That's how I felt about your concern too
[05:37] <TParis> Cyber is looking for volunteers, after all, you should join him
[05:39] <{Soap}> oh nice the hot dog eating contest is today
[05:39] <comets> u in it {Soap}? :D
[05:40] <{Soap}> i couldnt qualify
[05:40] <{Soap}> most i can do is about 15
[05:40] <{Soap}> http://www.nathansfamous.com/contest/mainevent <--- these guys are fightin' for 60
[05:40] <TParis> 15 doesnt qualify you?
[05:41] <{Soap}> and i cheat because i always run out of bread before i run out of hot dogs
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[05:41] <{Soap}> so its not really "15 hot dogs"
[05:41] <{Soap}> but ytea
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[07:04] <Penwhale> so, ToAruShiroiNeko
[07:04] <Penwhale> John Isner is at it... again
[07:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh?
[07:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Is he playing tenis?
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[07:14] <closedmouth> that bastard
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[09:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Obama administration spied on German media as well as its government
[09:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whats wrong with spying?
[09:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> France: Spying 'undermines' trust with U.S.
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[10:40] <jubo2> ToAruShiroiNeko: spying is illegal
[10:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> jubo2 but if you are spying from another country you arent in the jurisdiction
[10:40] <jubo2> there are zero countries that say that spying on them is legal so this automatically leads to that we can say that spying is illegal in international law
[10:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its all over the internet
[10:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I do not believe there is a single treaty against spying.
[10:41] <jubo2> ToAruShiroiNeko: Thank the most holy for encrypted then
[10:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> jubo2 encryption can and will be broken
[10:42] <jubo2> ToAruShiroiNeko: I don't worry
[10:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the notion that encryption is a fix is a lie
[10:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I do not worry either
[10:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if I ever lose my files I'll just ask NSA
[10:42] <jubo2> ToAruShiroiNeko: you one of those nutters who think we can make 2048 qbit quantum computer ?
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[10:42] <jubo2> last I checked the biggest one was 7 qbit
[10:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> any encryption can be broken over time
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[10:43] <jubo2> ToAruShiroiNeko: but the info is usually useless by the time it is gotten
[10:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this is true
[10:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but not always
[10:43] <jubo2> ToAruShiroiNeko: Do you worry that some nasties will break your ssh tunnels ?
[10:43] <jubo2> Ssh btw is yet another innovation from Finlan
[10:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> better practice IMHO is to pretend encryption doesnt exist and dont put stuff you dont want others to see in it
[10:44] <jubo2> proof-of-concept-by-code ( #1st ssh server and client ) was made by Tatu Ylönen in Esbo in 1995
[10:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> jubo2 finland has molotov cocktails and ssg tunnels?
[10:45] <jubo2> ToAruShiroiNeko: sauna, molotov, irc, GNU/Linukka, ssh
[10:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what about a molotov cocktail inside an ssh tunnel?
[10:45] <jubo2> ToAruShiroiNeko: silly
[10:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :D
[10:45] <jubo2> ToAruShiroiNeko: silly ToAruShiroiNeko cannot put matter into information network
[10:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> unless... you can convert matter into energy
[10:46] <jubo2> no nukes.
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[10:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh yes
[10:46] <jubo2> putain no..
[10:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I believe denmark is the only country with nukes whom did not want them in the first place
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[10:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82900
[10:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash
[10:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ah we have an article
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[14:50] <kisuke> any admin on i can borrow for a sec?
[14:52] <NotASpy> kisuke: what's up ?
[14:53] <kisuke> NotASpy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Keastes#July_2015 says it all really, anything i should do other than revert, possibly request a revdel?
[14:54] <NotASpy> reverting is fine
[14:57] <kisuke> check me, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ACDD&type=revision&diff=669917566&oldid=669917337 the last edit by me (keastes) removed the goatse link correct?
[14:58] <Penwhale> a lot of attacks to Module lately..
[14:58] <kisuke> PROTECT ALL THE THINGS!
[14:58] <kisuke> not really...
[14:58] <NotASpy> yeah
[15:00] <Penwhale> I don't know whether the account is compromised, or did the person not realized that Module:Dynkin was compromised
[15:00] <kisuke> Penwhale, it was compromised, simple password reuse bit me on the ass. I blame plex
[15:01] <kisuke> not what i wanted to come back to breakfast to.
[15:02] <Penwhale> hmm. NotASpy: what do you think?
[15:02] <Penwhale> there's an ANI thread out there, so it does need to be addressed.
[15:02] <Penwhale> kisuke: in the mean time, scramble your password or something
[15:02] <kisuke> Penwhale, swapped WP from my 5 year old static to lastpass managed one, so that is fixed.
[15:03] <kisuke> going to look into getting a 24 HR orr so block so i can make sure i have it locked down.
�06[15:03] * Penwhale thinks for a moment
[15:11] <kisuke> wondering if i should not request a 30 edit block.
[15:11] <kisuke> 30 day*
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[15:15] <kisuke> any thoughts?
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[15:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hmm
[15:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale if you protect copright law, would that prevent EU from ammending it?
[15:25] <kisuke> ToAruShiroiNeko, thanks now im stuck in a recursive loop.
[15:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> O_O
[15:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> recursive infinite loop?
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[15:27] <Penwhale> kisuke: I'd ask a CheckUser what to do
[15:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whatd I do?
[15:27] <Qcoder00> kisuke: You edit from a shared system?
[15:28] <kisuke> Qcoder00, nope, pretty sure password reuse bit me in the ass.
[15:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Czech user?
�06[15:28] * Penwhale swings a hammer at ToAruShiroiNeko
�06[15:28] * ToAruShiroiNeko takes a direct hit
[15:28] <kisuke> ToAruShiroiNeko, the bigger question, is who would own the copyright.
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[15:29] <kisuke> ToAruShiroiNeko is unable to move!
[15:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> kisuke copyright of?
[15:29] <Penwhale> in most cases, aren't laws themselvesd not eligible to be copyrighted?
[15:29] <Qcoder00> ROFL
[15:29] <kisuke> ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale if you protect copright law, would that prevent EU from ammending it?
[15:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes laws are in the public domain
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[15:30] <Penwhale> or do you mean [[WP:Protect]] a copyright law?
[15:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> [[WP:Protect]] [[Copyright law]]
[15:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> >:D
[15:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> And delete [[EU]]
[15:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh! #redirect EU to Pokemon
[15:31] <kisuke> Penwhale, i assume WP:CU can view active sessions? i know they can see prior logins, but not sure beyond that.
[15:33] <Penwhale> let's find out...
[15:33] <Penwhale> !checkuser
[15:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> !objection
[15:34] <Qcoder00> kisuke : Was this an IP you were reverting - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/116.86.134.233 ?
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[15:35] <kisuke> Qcoder00, that is one of the edits i didnt make, from my read of the diff, that user added a goatse link, and a revert was under my account.
[15:35] <Qcoder00> oK
[15:35] <kisuke> only 99% sure im reading it right though.
[15:36] <Qcoder00> I'm just trying to think laterally here... sometimes reverted users start playing mind games and try and get the admin/contrubutor that tried to stop thier little games into trouble
[15:37] <kisuke> possible, like i said i have been using that PW for low profile stuff for a while now.
[15:37] <Qcoder00> I say we need a checkuser
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[15:37] <Qcoder00> kisauke: As I said does anyone else use your computer?
[15:37] <kisuke> Qcoder00, im about to mail the functionaries list.
[15:37] <kisuke> Qcoder00, only if they want to die.
[15:38] <Qcoder00> kisuke:  There are password cracking tools
[15:38] <Qcoder00> I assume you cehcked your system for malware, keyloggers etc?
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[15:39] <Izhidez> Penwhale: CU cant view active logins, only edits
[15:39] <Qcoder00> The IP seems to be located in Singapore if the Geolocate is right
[15:40] <Penwhale> So the question is, would CU be able to help kisuke and positively/negatively confirm geolocation (i.e. the account is under control again)?
[15:40] <Penwhale> there IS an ANI request out
[15:41] <kisuke> Qcoder00, true, but brute forcing is impractacl with any sanely set up auth system
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[15:41] <kisuke> Qcoder00, its been fresh installed for less than a week.
[15:42] <Qcoder00> Very strange
[15:42] <Qcoder00> Samsumg or Lenovo?
[15:42] <kisuke> Qcoder00, custom
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[15:43] <Qcoder00> Windows?
[15:43] <kisuke> Qcoder00, yes
[15:43] <Qcoder00> I'd suggest getting something like AdAware or Spybot to take a look
[15:43] <Qcoder00> And if you've got Anti Virus
[15:43] <Qcoder00> Scan
[15:44] <kisuke> Qcoder00, KAV rescue disk :)
[15:44] <Qcoder00> What's KAV?
[15:44] <kisuke> Kaspersky Anti Virus
[15:44] <Qcoder00> Oh OK
[15:44] <kisuke> huh, actually been closed to 2 weeks now that i think about it
[15:46] <Izhidez> Penwhale: where on ani am I looking?
[15:46] <kisuke> Izhidez, for my ANI?
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[15:46] <Izhidez> which ever is requesting the CU, cause I am one
[15:47] <Qcoder00> That would be kisuke dircetly i think
[15:47] <Qcoder00> or Penwhale
[15:47] <kisuke> Izhidez, AFAIK there is not one requested yet, simply because i am working on making sure i have my account locked back down.
[15:48] <Qcoder00> IZhidez - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#What_the_hell
[15:48] <Qcoder00> It was suggested that a CU be done on edits to confirm if the vandal edits came from :-
[15:48] <Qcoder00> (i) a simmilar machine
[15:48] <Qcoder00> (ii) A machine in a completly different range
[15:49] <Qcoder00> to the edit pattern before May 12th
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[15:49] <Qcoder00> which is when Kisuke stated they last editied
[15:49] <Qcoder00> It was me that wondered if the recent vandal edits were an IP kisuke had reverted
[15:49] <kisuke> yep and prior to may 12 all edits should be either in UT, CO, or NM.
[15:49] <Izhidez> oh ok, so I"m CUing kisuke to see if the edits were made by a third party and when they started/stopped. ok
[15:50] <kisuke> Izhidez, they were all made today 04 Jul, last edit prior to that was 12 may.
[15:51] <kisuke> many thanks
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[15:56] <Izhidez> ok, so I can confirm that the account appears to be comprimsed. What I can't confirm is if the edits were made from your computer or not. I have some information that may help, but I have to verify you are the account holder before I discuss that with you.
[15:57] <Izhidez> (For privacy reasons)
[15:58] <Izhidez> The edits that I think were comprised were from 13:44 - 14:12
[15:59] <Izhidez> Qcoder00, kisuke ^^
[15:59] <Qcoder00> IZhidez: Thanks
[15:59] <kisuke> Izhidez, UTC i assume?
[15:59] <Qcoder00> IZhidez But I would suggest further disscussion take place in private between yourself and kisuke
[16:00] <Qcoder00> (i.e not in the public channel)
[16:00] <Penwhale> aye, although you definitely should make a point at the ANI request too, Izhidez :d
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[16:00] <Izhidez> kisuke: yes, UTC.
[16:00] <{soap|bed}> trhat must be a very tech savvy vandal
[16:00] <Izhidez> will do Penwhale
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[16:01] <Qcoder00> {soap|bed}:  Or they got lucky
[16:01] <Penwhale> ah, for what its worth... Diannaa blocked for 1wk
[16:01] <kisuke> {soap|bed}, maybe, all they did was pull a template of somesort in to a couple of otehr templates.
[16:01] <kisuke> Izhidez, how would you like to handle this?
[16:01] <Qcoder00> Right up until the point when the tech-savvy vandal has his door knocked in by the cops :)
[16:01] <kisuke> Penwhale, at my request.
[16:02] <Qcoder00> IIRC The cops in some parts of the world have a low tolerance for "vandals" and "trolls"
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[16:02] <Izhidez> kisuke: are you looking for me to confirm if it was your computer or are you talking about unblock?
[16:02] <Penwhale> kisuke: right, I was just making sure that people that are helping you knows :p
[16:02] <kisuke> Izhidez, the former
[16:03] <kisuke> the block was effectively at my request. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Keastes&diff=prev&oldid=669923939
[16:03] <Qcoder00> Well I was of thie view that the checkuser was needed to cnofirm the vandal edits were NOT from the same range....
[16:03] <Izhidez> kisuke: for that, I need some sort of verification that the account is indeed yours. I'll private message you and we'll continue there.
[16:03] <Qcoder00> That's seemingly proven i think
[16:03] <kisuke> WFM
[16:04] <kisuke> Qcoder00, its a bit harder sence i havent exactly been active in the community for a year or so.
[16:04] <Qcoder00> IZhidez: Thanks
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[16:17] <kisuke> well fudge, MIT now 404s my key, now to find it again...
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[16:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 404
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[17:00] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: hey
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[17:35] <{soap|bed}> hi
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[17:42] <{soap|bed}> hmm what if Independent Day was in them iddle of the winter
[17:42] <{soap|bed}> would we still celebrate it as much?
[17:43] <{soap|bed}> those of us who live in colder climates anyway. its not like youre gonna have many barbecues when you cant get to your grill because its buried under 6 ft of snow
[17:44] <{soap|bed}> the founding fathjers probably wanted to declare war in Feburary but they wanted to make sure the next 30 generations of Americans would have their major holiday in the hottest part of the year
[17:44] <{soap|bed}> (global warming, of course, will turn the entire USA into a tropical paradise all year round, so there's no need to worry about the future)
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[17:57] <ceradon> Does anyone here have access to JSTOR through a university?
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[18:08] <darev> Hello!
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[18:24] <canaima> hola
[18:24] <canaima> si por que
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[18:24] <KimiNewt> wikipedia-EN
[18:25] <canaima> hola
[18:26] <foks> canaima, do stick to English please
[18:26] <canaima> hello
[18:26] <foks> ta
[18:29] <canaima> speak in Spanish English
[18:30] <canaima> me llamo sofia
[18:30] <KimiNewt> donde esta la biblioteca
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[18:37] <SamB_7> okay, the hatnotes at the tops of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Array_data_type and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Array_data_structure aren't helping, particularly
[18:37] <SamB_7> *how* am I supposed to avoid confusing them?
[18:40] <MJ94> KimiNewt: lol
[18:43] <{soap|bed}> oh wow its JHuly4 so all the people in tyhe nldg off the street from me are off from work
�06[18:43] * {soap|bed} goes to barbecue in thier parking lot
[18:45] <Qcoder00> HI
[18:45] <{soap|bed}> hi
[18:45] <Qcoder00> Anyone here want some fun?
[18:46] <{soap|bed}> baebque
[18:46] <Qcoder00> I'lll take it elsewhere if people are wanting to do serious tuff
[18:46] <Qcoder00> *stuff
[18:46] <Qcoder00> Unusal clauses in a lease...
[18:46] <Qcoder00> 1. Leaseholder is liable to pay for the good order of the chapel roof....
[18:47] <Qcoder00> (And I leave it open to the channel)
[18:47] <{soap|bed}> how about 2.) Even though marijuana is forbidden in this building, if we find any we'll steal it and keep it for ourselves
[18:48] <{soap|bed}> 2b) and dont even think of calling the cops because then youll be admitting to possession and youll go to jail and by now what we stole is arleadt used anyway
[18:48] <{soap|bed}> that hgappebed to a briend of mine before legalization
[18:49] <{soap|bed}> so he said, anyway. i dont have any reason to doubt
[18:49] <Qcoder00> 3. Leaseholder is adivsed that all music must be played during the hours of darkness, and at excessive bass volume :)
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[18:51:22] #wikipedia-en url is https://en.wikipedia.org/
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[18:52:15] <{soap|bed}> ^^^^^^^dont know if that ever happens in real life, though its based on a story that happened to someone i knew
[18:52:32] <{soap|bed}> they kicked her out 2 days before she gave birth, though for unrelated reasons
[18:53:00] <Qcoder00> 5. The owenrye shall noyt unlode cargo, chattels, or merchandises, of a foul, orderous or despicable charrcter within the curtilage of the trout pond....
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[18:53:46] <KimiNewt> soap
[18:53:50] <KimiNewt> jokes aren't better with backstory
[18:54:05] <{soap|bed}> mine were serious
[18:54:06] <{soap|bed}> but OK
[18:54:08] <KimiNewt> not that there's anything wrong with your stories
[18:54:16] <KimiNewt> but I think qcoder is looking for more humouristic stuff
[18:54:41] <{soap|bed}> yeah i know
[18:54:45] <Qcoder00> Not necessarily... No1 and No5 are based on actual clauses
[18:54:46] <{soap|bed}> im in a bad mood alot lately. cant help it
[18:54:53] <KimiNewt> sorry
[18:54:54] <KimiNewt> I mean
[18:54:57] <KimiNewt> aw
[18:55:02] <Qcoder00> Technically in UK leases you can still be asked to fund the village church
[18:55:05] <KimiNewt> cheer up
[18:55:32] <KimiNewt> there is a banana milkshake in the fridge
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[21:23:37] * Set by Glaisher!Philon@wikimedia/Glaisher on Tue Jun 09 10:07:33 2015
[21:23:37] -card.freenode.net:#wikipedia-en- [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[21:23:37] #wikipedia-en url is https://en.wikipedia.org/
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[22:32:14] <Pheeps> wikibooks.org needs a separate password from the one used in wikipedia.org?
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[22:34:21] <Pheeps> ah . . . apparently not.  ok.
[22:34:31] <Qcoder00> Did the relevant module also gets fixed?
[22:34:42] <Qcoder00> (the one the vandal was using to casue problems?
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[22:44:53] <comets> Happy Treason Day americans :D
[22:46:36] <Pheeps> it would be absurd to require a different password for each sister project: Wikipedia, Wikiversity, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikinews, Wikivoyage, Commons, Wikidata . . . 9 different passwords for 9 different usernames . . . oh good grief!
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[22:47:46] <JohnFLewis> Pheeps: there's more technically
[22:48:06] <Pheeps> comets: the traitors being who?  the Cheney and his retarded kid playing President?  yeh; treasonous fuckers.
[22:49:54] <Pheeps> 1 username/password works fine, thank you.
[22:51:31] <foks> what
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[23:05:05] <IDoH> <git>	[17:02:02] someone templated me <git>	[17:02:19] telling me not to csd articles as soon as they're created <-----It's best to wait 10-15 minutes sometimes.
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[23:09:54] <nakon> it really depends on the article
[23:10:17] <nakon> if it's anything other than a possible A7 then it's generally OK to tag immediately
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[23:10:45] <nakon> @IDoH
[23:11:27] <IDoH> nakon: Or A1. Or A3.
[23:12:25] <nakon> those two are usually fine to tag immediately...
[23:13:17] <IDoH> No, they're pretty much never fine to tag immediately.
[23:13:39] <nakon> not following
[23:14:14] <IDoH> They're the prime example of "Give people more time" and "CSD templates bites newcomers" because they're lack of context and content, respectively.
[23:14:53] <nakon> if they need more time, the page can be moved to userspace
[23:15:09] <nakon> i agree that outright deletion is BITE-y
[23:15:35] <nakon> but there's no need to delay removal of cruft from the mainspace if it's done properly
[23:15:49] <IDoH> True, but is it worth it to do that every single time, particularly when it's going to clearer in 10-15 minutes what is going to happen?
[23:16:07] <IDoH> CSD isn't for removal of cruft. That's for AfD.
[23:16:30] <nakon> my defnition of "cruft" may be lacking, then
[23:16:49] <IDoH> Or if the article is cruft and sitting around for months or years without improvement, it goes to PROD.
[23:16:57] <IDoH> nakon: Overly detailed fandom articles.
[23:16:59] <nakon> That's what G13 is for
[23:17:12] <nakon> if it's done in the proper namespaces
[23:17:21] <nakon> which isn't always the case, sadly
[23:17:27] <NotASpy> if it's a pretty rubbish new article, send it to draft.
[23:17:44] <IDoH> nakon: No, G13 is for abandoned drafts.
[23:17:57] <nakon> NotASpy: generally, yes.
[23:17:58] <IDoH> NotASpy: I've userfied articles in the past.
[23:20:51] <nakon> however, we can't harp on the NPP editors just because they're tagging new articles.  they clearly don't meet our criteria for inclusion so either deleting them outright or moving them to draft space for deletion in 6 months is going to give the same result
[23:21:00] <nakon> I'm more than open for a third option
[23:21:38] <IDoH> nakon: With most tags, I'd agree, but I disagree with A1 and A3.
[23:21:48] <nakon> A1 is for articles like "lol ok"
[23:22:13] <nakon> A3, I may agree with you.
[23:22:16] <IDoH> No, that would be blatant vandalism.
[23:22:23] <nakon> that'
[23:22:25] <nakon> that'd be A3
[23:22:36] <nakon> yay acronym soup
[23:22:37] <IDoH> nakon: No, that'd be G3.
[23:22:43] <nakon> indeed
[23:22:48] <IDoH> Not A3.
[23:22:58] <IDoH> Or db-multiple|A3|G3 at most.
[23:23:15] <IDoH> But not A3 all by itself.
[23:23:21] <nakon> we're talking about the same thing
[23:23:27] <nakon> just not the same number
[23:23:27] <IDoH> No, we aren't
[23:23:58] <nakon> the articles that are "lol dong" don't need a delayed deletion requirement
[23:24:10] <IDoH> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Db-g3 vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Db-a3.
[23:24:26] <IDoH> They don't. G3 is a CSD criterion.
[23:24:35] <nakon> whatever
[23:24:49] <IDoH> nakon: Are you a NPPer?
[23:24:55] <nakon> sure
[23:25:37] <IDoH> And you're A3'ing "lol dong"? That gives the wrong impression, that it's okay to vandalize as long there's context.
[23:26:09] <nakon> as I said, you're getting caught up on the numbers.  we agree on the basic priniciple.
[23:26:13] <IDoH> Or as long as it's an article length full of vandalism.
[23:26:48] <NotASpy> you know that the Twinkle thing about not deleting new pages too quickly is just so people can create AfDs or nominate articles for deletion themselves. It's not actually about not biting newbies.
[23:27:25] <IDoH> Different CSD templates give different messages. People who write vandal articles are inevitably new editors, so it's best to be as clear as possible.
[23:27:56] <nakon> not at all. if they're making articles that fall under vandalism, they need to be removed regardless.
[23:28:12] <IDoH> True, but you need to tell them that they're vandalizing.
[23:28:14] <nakon> we're talking about obviously different things.
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[23:28:36] <NotASpy> I would expect people know they're vandalising, unless it's some sort of sleepwalking related activity.
[23:28:40] <IDoH> LOL
[23:28:41] <IDoH> true
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[23:28:57] <IDoH> it's easier to get a block if they're notified, though.
[23:29:07] <nakon> on your end, maybe
[23:29:12] <nakon> that may be where the disconnect is
[23:29:20] <NotASpy> and a lot of vandalism is meme or current affairs related nonsense that not everybody will understand.
[23:29:22] <IDoH> nakon: What do you mean?
[23:29:28] <IDoH> NotASpy: True
[23:29:50] <nakon> IDoH: sysops are generally going to block obvious vandalism regardless  of warnings on a talk page
[23:30:19] <IDoH> Eh, not always. Go to AIV, and you will see "insufficiently warned" eventually.
[23:30:27] <nakon> that's true, and it's unfortunate.
[23:30:45] <IDoH> It depends on the sysop.
[23:30:54] <nakon> It's probably related to the high number of incorrect reports on AIV
[23:31:01] <IDoH> Probably.
[23:31:02] <NotASpy> deez nuts or whatever the fad at the moment is, is clearly a meme, but if you're not really aware about such memes, cos people ain't got no time for that shit, it's going to be treated as patent nonsense or gibberish instead of vandalism
[23:31:11] <nakon> indeed
[23:31:24] <nakon> I totally agree that it's based on the sysop
[23:31:29] <nakon> as unfortunate as that is :/
[23:31:39] <IDoH> NotASpy: Patent nonsense would make sense in place of vandalism, sometimes.
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[23:32:14] <NotASpy> yeah, so when deleting, you throw lots of additional deletion reasons into the deletion log.
[23:32:31] <IDoH> so, db-multiple|nonsense|vandalism, etc.
[23:33:00] <nakon> sure
[23:33:14] <nakon> this conversation has deviated from where we started, though
[23:33:26] <nakon> for that, I apologise
[23:34:06] <IDoH> nakon: Why would you apologize for that?
[23:34:44] <nakon> We were talking about a delay in tagging articles and I brought it to a discussion on AIV tagging
[23:35:01] <IDoH> That's how conversations work.
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