User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-06-02
MyWikiBiz, Author Your Legacy — Sunday September 01, 2024
Jump to navigationJump to search--- Log opened Sun Jun 02 00:00:55 2013 00:02 -!- zz_YuviPanda is now known as YuviPanda 00:03 < tommorris> dtm_: do you have the OTRS ticket ID? 00:04 < tommorris> I'm happy to look at it and give my "is that stupid or wot?" determination 00:05 < dtm_> tommorris: thank you sir. and i'd like to learn how to join in with this system myself. standby. 00:06 < tommorris> oh, that's easy 00:06 -!- Pine [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Pine] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 00:06 < tommorris> you go to Meta, you make an application and one of the secretive OTRS cabal will decide whether you should have access. 00:08 < dtm_> oh, it's a club? festive! 00:09 < dtm_> tommorris: are you in the club? Ticket#2013060110000864 00:11 < tommorris> also, photographers can transfer copyright to subjects. 00:12 < dtm_> no kiddin. unless, of course, they never had the friggin copyright to begin with. 00:12 -!- Guest95958 is now known as Pote 00:12 < dtm_> like for example, every work for hire ever done 00:12 < dtm_> for example, most photographs 00:13 < tommorris> that does seem needlessly unreasonable 00:13 < dtm_> tommorris: but you know what i'm saying, right? the entire premise is literally illogical. in an unchallenged copyright assertion, it is literally impossible to presume that one person 1) exists and 2) holds copyright but another doesn't. 00:13 < tommorris> the OTRS response that is 00:13 < dtm_> yes 00:14 < dtm_> it's ultra-legalistic nonsense 00:14 < dtm_> this isn't a social security application. 00:14 < dtm_> where their job is to deny. 00:14 < tommorris> dtm_: certainly. 00:15 < tommorris> I'm not sure what the internal OTRS process is for "I think someone else has fucked up, how do we deal with that" 00:15 < tommorris> is there a discussion on-wiki about this image? 00:15 < dtm_> now if we had a copyright challenge, then we could have a conversation. this is not even a conversation. 00:15 < dtm_> no! 00:15 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:15 < dtm_> this is "hi.... i found the 'deny' button. here ya go." 00:15 < dtm_> ^_^ 00:16 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:16 < tommorris> dtm_: oh no. custom response. they had to sit down and write it. ;) 00:16 < dtm_> this whole situation of publishing this article has required me to escalate perfectly legitimate, self-evidenced, unchallengeable content like it's an act of congress 00:16 < tommorris> if you wanted to just send a Please Fuck Off, there are plenty to choose from without writing your own. 00:16 < dtm_> yeah but they deleted the image from the commons, dawg 00:17 < dtm_> so. they need to not do that ;) 00:17 < tommorris> right, just having a look at how to fix that 00:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> congress can act? news to me :p 00:18 < dtm_> tommorris: i'm literally saying that i've written a case where this shit should be escalated to the Jimbo as being the poster child of institutional abuse toward new content, particularly toward autobiographies or new users 00:18 < dtm_> it's like barratry 00:18 < dtm_> using the system as a weapon 00:19 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: ho ho 00:19 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:19 < tommorris> dtm_: elevanting to Jimbo seems a bit hasty. a quiet email to the OTRS respondent telling him that he's been a bit overeager should do the job. 00:19 < tommorris> I've had similar emails in the past. it's the way OTRSers learn. 00:20 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:20 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:20 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:20 < dtm_> yeah i know, i'm just sayin that this is one of the worst problems that wikipedia faces ultimately, because it's an issue of institutional education 00:20 < tommorris> same with admins: you learn on the job by people telling you "that's a bit silly" 00:20 < dtm_> i'm perfectly great with educating these people. i'm just not cool with the fact that they should know this before acting, and they're driving off legitimate new content in droves 00:21 < dtm_> maybe it's one mistake per person, but you might be talkin about losing a thousand articles and photos a year. 00:21 < dtm_> a thousand editors a year. 00:21 < dtm_> gone. categorically rejected. 00:21 < dtm_> this guy is an extraordinarily highly notable subject, too 00:22 < dtm_> i've become his personal hero for literally nothing more than just clicking a few buttons that someone else gave him maximal bullcrap about 00:22 < dtm_> of course, in the process, i spiffed everything up too, but i had to make it practically a court case for no good reason 00:22 < tommorris> I just need to find a Commons admin and nudge them into undeleting. 00:23 < dtm_> tommorris: thanks a lot. i want into the cabal. 00:23 < dtm_> but of course we don't talk about the cabal. 00:23 < tommorris> dtm_: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS/volunteering is that way. ;) 00:23 < dtm_> at the risk of fluffing my {{peacock}}, i would say that my content creation history speaks for itself 00:24 < dtm_> pretend that i didn't just say that, or whatever. 00:25 < tommorris> content creation isn't the only thing that is important for OTRS: in fact, far more important is being calm, reasonable, friendly to newbs and knowledgable on policy 00:25 < dtm_> i hear that 00:25 < dtm_> i loves me some noobs. 00:26 < dtm_> that's exactly why i'm on this particular case. i met the guy in #wikipedia-en-help like a newborn fawn. a wobbly-legged calf who could singlehandedly write completely authoritatively referenced and notable content. 00:27 < tommorris> Lovely when you meet them. I don't have the patience for -en-help, alas. 00:28 < dtm_> it's tough stuff sometimes 00:28 < dtm_> i haven't been in there forever 00:28 < dtm_> you know, it's interesting coz it turns out that i took to supporting the supporters in -en-helpers lol 00:28 < dtm_> call me a caretaker, yo <3 00:29 < dtm_> but yeah i've met *amazing* people in -en-help 00:29 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:29 < dtm_> indeed, i've met the fabled archetypal quasi-clueless self-promoting entrepreneur there. i told him "get more notable", and he took his lessons and went home! 00:30 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:30 < dtm_> he was great about it, and respected wikipedia as a benchmark for success 00:30 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:30 < dtm_> we should all live lives worthy of wikipedia 00:30 < dtm_> oh crap it's Ks0stm. where you been, son? 00:30 < SigmaWP> the middle of nowhere 00:31 < dtm_> where the internets dont reach, apparently 00:31 < tommorris> dtm_: I'm not sure about that. I quite like being non-notable. notability doesn't pay the bills. 00:31 < dtm_> Ks0stm: have the tornados bit ya? :( 00:31 < dtm_> tommorris: well at least you're notably supporting notability 00:31 < dtm_> tommorris: perhaps you're meta-notable 00:33 < tommorris> dtm_: I was having a discussion with someone about being a "true Londoner" the other day. we were in Soho at the time, and their argument for being a true Londoner is that you know your way around Soho's side streets. 00:33 < tommorris> my response: I literally drew the map of Soho. ;) OpenStreetMap. 00:33 < dtm_> tommorris: whoa. 00:34 < dtm_> tommorris: well done 00:34 < tommorris> of course, I'm not sure why Soho is considered a mark of being a true Londoner. it may be the mark of being a true Londoner who likes gay bars, prostitutes and sleazy sex shops, but that's a separate issue. 00:35 < dtm_> tommorris: so i'm sorry, did you say that you had already submitted the request for undeletion? on the grounds that there was a legitimate and unchallenged copyright assertion? 00:35 < dtm_> tommorris: oic 00:35 < tommorris> dtm_: I'm just emailing a Commons admin I know. 00:35 < dtm_> ok 00:35 < dtm_> seriously this is a systemic issue that means we're losing content and people 00:36 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 00:36 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:36 < dtm_> whacking them with sticks 00:36 < tommorris> dtm_: finding Commons admins on IRC is damn near impossible. 00:38 < dtm_> tommorris: the whole issue with his autobiography is well documented too. AfC literally denied a fully notable, fully sourced, well-written, full-bodied, C-class article on the *sole* grounds that it was an autobiography. based only upon who wrote it. this is a form of prejudice against a form of expertise. 00:39 < tommorris> oh bollocks. the Commons admin I chose isn't available. when I see one later on today, I'll nudge them about it 00:39 < dtm_> they went round and round with him, on his Talk page, where he was just politely requesting that they prove any violation of any policy. notability, references, writing quality, etc 00:39 < dtm_> and people just repeatedly disregarded and restated, like a broken record 00:39 < dtm_> sure it was just Some Volunteer, but it's a systemic problem which has a pile of articles written about it. 00:39 < dtm_> it could be fixed 00:40 < dtm_> on an institutional level 00:40 < dtm_> i mean largely improved. 00:40 < tommorris> the problem is we have an enormous amount of workload and not enough people to do it. 00:40 < BlastHardcheese> articles just get in the way of the fun stuff like blocking and flamewars 00:40 < dtm_> i dont even know who to talk to or what to do, because literally the whole organization is opaque 00:40 < dtm_> tommorris: see yes but you just restated the endemic problem in other words, from the other side of the tablet 00:40 < dtm_> table 00:40 < dtm_> tommorris: this problem is endemic to any organization that's busy, and too busy to get help 00:41 < mareklug_> dtm_ I am about to give up on SheepShamer…. it will not let me use 9.2.2 and it crashes all the time, and I can't get it to see my network (funnily enough, my network sees *it*)…. maybe I will have more energy tomorrow. For now I am torrenting from The Pirate's Bay no less Classic-ON-Intler_(OS9_for_INtel_Macs) which is alegedly better at all this. 00:41 < dtm_> mareklug_: dang. 00:42 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:42 < dtm_> mareklug_: classic? wat. what is this 00:42 < mareklug_> there is one seed and one leacher and Frostwire is actually moving bytes. Comcast is not yet knocking down my door, so.... 00:42 < mareklug_> classic is the uneducated way to refer to MacOS 9 00:42 < dtm_> mareklug_: what does it mean in this case 00:43 < mareklug_> it is really the Mac OS X 10.0 through 10.4.11 environment for running 9.2.2 00:43 < dtm_> mareklug_: and it runs on 10.8? 00:43 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:43 < tommorris> dtm_: and it turns out the OTRS respondent... is a Commons admin. 00:43 < mareklug_> well, it means roughly what the SheepShitter means: It is supposed ot install with a simple click and let me run Mac OS 9 stuff on it. 00:43 < dtm_> tommorris: nice. 00:44 < mareklug_> apparently it does. 00:44 < dtm_> mareklug_: but it's literally Classic? 00:44 < mareklug_> we shall see. 00:44 < dtm_> i mean you said it's the uneducated way .. so that means no 00:44 < mareklug_> it may be pirated Mac OS 9 complete with the ROM from a Mac, who knows.... 00:44 -!- Philon [~Philon@unaffiliated/philon] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:45 < dtm_> tommorris: well, i can reply. 00:46 < dtm_> tommorris: i'd just like to see if you get what i'm saying, about this phenomenon where as you say, an organization is busy and under-resourced, but as I've seen on the other side of the table, it's actively serving to reject help 00:46 < dtm_> a problem which is endemic to volunteer organizations, especially successful ones. victims of their own success. 00:47 < dtm_> which is to be expected 00:47 < dtm_> and assumed 00:47 < mareklug_> dtm already got 5% of the thing, but at speed oscilating at 1 KB/s, my Fast Ethernet IIci Asante card looks like a race car. :) 00:47 -!- Revent [ad15dd3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/x-qfrlxsaauypuvgkq] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:47 < dtm_> mareklug_: lol 00:47 < dtm_> mareklug_: and it *is* one, man. <voice type="Lucas">it's so bad. 00:48 < dtm_> don't stop believin' 00:49 < mareklug_> once I get a better tool for downloading on system 7.5.5 then the silly old Fetch 2.12, it should show its true colors, esp if I use some of that 128 MB maxed out RAM for RAM disk. 00:49 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:49 < dtm_> mareklug_: :-o 00:49 < dtm_> mareklug_: SpeedDoubler? 00:49 < dtm_> u gawt dat? 00:50 < mareklug_> i had ram doubler, i did not play with speed doubler. is that a soft thing? 00:50 < dtm_> a what? 00:51 < dtm_> a soft*ware* thing? theyre made by the... *ahem*... they... *were* made by Connectix. 00:51 < dtm_> same vendor 00:51 < mareklug_> i'm also on a hunt for a fabulous beast known in mythical circles as DayStar 601 Turbo PPC 100MHz accelerator for NuBus…. that would increase the speed of the processing 11-fold. 00:51 < BlastHardcheese> don't forget to download more ram 00:51 < dtm_> whoa. 00:51 < dtm_> BlastHardcheese: 100% ram compression tech 00:51 < mareklug_> BlastHardcheese I have done it and it is sitting pretty in the machine 00:52 < dtm_> mareklug_: if you dont put A/UX on this thing, i will whack you with a ruler 00:52 < tommorris> dtm_: just emailed the Commons admin who answered the OTRS email. 00:52 < mareklug_> why A/UX? nothing of note runs on it. 00:52 < dtm_> tommorris: kthx 00:52 < dtm_> mareklug_: nothing of note runs on your machine at all 00:52 < dtm_> A/UX *is* notable! 00:52 < dtm_> ^_^ 00:53 < mareklug_> it would make more sense to put on a separate disk Mk68Linux 00:53 < dtm_> sense. yeah. fsvo 'sense'. 00:53 < dtm_> you have an FPU? 00:53 < mareklug_> the Turbo will. 00:54 < dtm_> i had m68klinux on my uhhhh the DOS hybrid. with a 68LC040. so it crashed a lot. 00:54 < mareklug_> wow, estimated time has dropped from inifnity, then 10 hours, to 1:45 00:54 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:54 < dtm_> mareklug_: yeah great, so you'll run linux on a random custom hybrid architecture huh ;) 00:56 < mareklug_> dtm_ the rock steady showcase of my stable of museal computing is the Debian 6.0.6, the very same that the International Space Station opted for, running on the souped up 1998 Wallstreet II PDQ 300MHZ PPC 750 machine in 512 MB of ram, boot-strapped from MacOS 9.2.2 via BootX extension written by some very clever German dude. 00:56 < mareklug_> for booting Linux on Old World Macs. 00:56 < dtm_> yeah. not on random custom hybrid architecture quasi-Macs ;) 00:57 < mareklug_> it is absolutely rock steady. 00:57 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:57 -!- Sarrus [~Sarrus@wikipedia/Sarrus] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:57 < dtm_> i bet. 00:57 < mareklug_> and they say linux was not meant for macs. 00:57 < dtm_> i heard that a lot. but then people would crowd around my Wallstreet II at the SVLUG meetings 00:58 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:59 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:59 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:59 < dtm_> in 1999 00:59 < mareklug_> dtm_ and in general, the amount of computing I am able to inflict with old Macs is just jawdropping. And to think that this somewhat dated early 2009 24" iMac is the power center of my LAN, allowing me all kinds of Virtualbox shenanigans (XP pro, 7, 9. haiku, 6 different linuxes) 01:00 < dtm_> 'inflict' is truly the appropriate word for your activities 01:00 < dtm_> respect++ 01:00 < mareklug_> well, if I did not have all this legit licensed Adobe soft for System 7 and 9, I would not be so gungho. 01:01 < mareklug_> it's such a shame to let it go to disuse. 01:01 -!- Savage_CL [Jordan@173.234.168.180] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:01 -!- Savage_CL [Jordan@173.234.168.180] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:01 < dtm_> mareklug_: i researched that Wallstreet II exhaustively for its ability to run all the OSes, and i didn't get around to all of em. Rhapsody (i had DR2 and DR4), linuxppc R4 (mine was the machine on which the ppc binutils were fixed, so that LinuxPPC R5 coudl be released), and i dont know what else. 01:01 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:02 -!- LtNOWIS is now known as Guest38913 01:02 < dtm_> mareklug_: have you looked up whether or not you could have spent all that money on software license upgrades instead of obsolete hardware upgrades? 01:02 < dtm_> by the way 01:02 < mareklug_> no, there is no inexpensive path to upgrade the software. Adobe is completely thieving on that front. 01:03 < dtm_> i bought Final Cut Pro 2, so that i could get the cheaper upgrade license for the current one. but i dont know Adobe's policies. 01:03 < dtm_> (current at the time, which was 7) 01:03 < Theopolisme> Creative Cloud ftw 01:03 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:03 < mareklug_> even something as comparatively modern as the CS4 Suite is worthless in any upgrade to CS6. 01:03 < dtm_> mareklug_: okay so i guess you can make your own upgrade path. 01:03 < dtm_> obviously you have the means of acquisition. 01:03 < dtm_> TO GO ROGUE 01:04 < mareklug_> dtm frugal computing dictates tinkering with hardware in order to run the perfectly adequate old soft. 01:04 < mareklug_> or emulation 01:04 < dtm_> you're breaking/bending softawre licenses in order to do so 01:04 < dtm_> so i guess hey whatever works ;) 01:05 -!- Philon [~Philon@unaffiliated/philon] has left #wikipedia-en [] 01:05 < mareklug_> no, not at all. the llicense gives me the ability to run the soft on any CPU, provided it is the sole CPU that does it. 01:05 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05 < dtm_> you're accidentally saying "soft" for some reason fyi 01:05 < mareklug_> as there is only one of me running any of it, I can satisfy that criterion. :) 01:05 < dtm_> you *need* to know how extraordinarily weird that is, and i'm here to inform u 01:06 < mareklug_> software 01:06 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:06 < dtm_> of all things weird 01:06 < dtm_> i'm your personal informant 01:06 < dtm_> Ks0stm: hi 01:06 < mareklug_> soft is a diminutive for software, just like Annie for Ann 01:06 < dtm_> no it's not. ^_^ 01:06 < mareklug_> or Gretch for Gretchen 01:06 < dtm_> it's just a butchered word. 01:06 < dtm_> so. 01:07 < dtm_> i was just helpfully pointing that out 01:07 < mareklug_> dtm_ you're being, erm, …rigid about this. 01:07 < mareklug_> this idiosyncracy of mine. 01:07 < dtm_> <3 01:07 < dtm_> mareklug_: i'm not saying that it's insurmountable. I'M NOT! 01:07 < dtm_> i'm just saying. that. it needs to be known. 01:07 < mareklug_> it's not like Lady Björk has the sole license on charming mangling of the English tongue. 01:08 < dtm_> this is a milieu of tolerance and friendship 01:08 < dtm_> and of pointing out weird-ass crap 01:08 < dtm_> and whatnot 01:08 < dtm_> mareklug_: you're absolutely right. i need more Bjork in my life. 01:08 < dtm_> i can't make the dots. 01:08 < dtm_> on the keyboard. 01:09 < dtm_> i gotta copy and paste your Björk 01:09 < mareklug_> Björk. the ö makes it rhyme with "jerk", she says 01:09 < dtm_> no kiddin? 01:09 < mareklug_> dtm surely you have access to diacriticals? for me it is so easy -- mac comes with U.S. Extended (UTF-8) that has them conveniently Option-ed all over the keyboard. 01:10 < dtm_> the only one i've ever done is ñ 01:10 < dtm_> closedapple-n 01:10 < dtm_> ;) 01:11 < mareklug_> wow, 2 seeds and 2 leachers… and up to 23% done on thei 50 meg download. we are trucking at sub-V.92 speeds... 01:11 < dtm_> cool. 01:11 < mareklug_> you're not on a mac now? 01:12 < dtm_> see i'm exhibiting maximal tolerance and friendship right here, talking complicitly about total and wanton copyright violations, in a wikipedia channel 01:12 < dtm_> mareklug_: hm. are you thikning i have a closeapple key on some other system? 01:12 < mareklug_> but it is not. I have licenses for all the OSes I am running that require them, and some in triplicate. 01:13 < mareklug_> dtm why are you not using U.S. Extended keyboard layout then? 01:13 < dtm_> you're correctly violating the wrongheaded copyright law by the means of acquisition 01:14 < dtm_> in a most valiant act of civil disobedience 01:14 < mareklug_> you mean the very TPB download? 01:14 < dtm_> this.... is your salt march, mareklug_ 01:14 < dtm_> yeah. 01:14 < mareklug_> but we don't know yet if it is a violation. I have to investigate it. 01:14 < dtm_> gooooo the disssstance 01:15 < dtm_> no, it's a violation. you're even uploading it, since it's a torrent. 01:15 < dtm_> the law is nonsensical and unenforceable, and thus deserves to be actively challenged 01:15 < mareklug_> dtm_ incidentally, I am like totally leaching, and not providing any of this loot upstream. So if anything, I am a bad apple among the gray element. 01:16 < dtm_> not to mention that the software's forced obsolescence coerces you 01:16 < dtm_> mareklug_: hah! intent! 01:16 < mareklug_> no, I consciously availed myself of that setting in Frostwire. 01:16 < dtm_> oh ok. 01:17 < dtm_> well i meant to ask that, but the way i said it, sounded cooler 01:17 < dtm_> and more succinct 01:17 < dtm_> intent. 01:18 < mareklug_> you know what we really miss in Chicago? Genuine Maroccan couscus, none of that fine grained semolina stuff peddled by Near East for 2.50 a box. 01:18 < dtm_> wow. 01:18 < dtm_> you're in chicago? 01:18 < mareklug_> where else be I 01:18 < dtm_> you could be anywhere! i wouldn't put it past you. 01:20 -!- peachey|laptop__ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:21 < mareklug_> dtm_ have you heard by now that the Camino browser development is officially kaput? When you launch it now, they ask you to go find a kept-up browser. 01:21 < dtm_> you're a [[couscous]] [[Connoisseur]] 01:22 < dtm_> mareklug_: no i hadn't heard that; at no point in my life could i have possibly cared less about the existence of the Camino or iCab browsers. i barely even know their names. as for Camino, i literally forgot its name. 01:22 < mareklug_> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2747087405.png it takes being in Chicago to have this sort of bandwidth/ping for 30 bucks a month 01:23 < dtm_> mareklug_: well done. i benchmarked 22Mbps down and 11Mbps up, on Sprint LTE on my iphone 5 01:23 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:23 < mareklug_> dtm_ the iCab is the lifesaver of the system 7 and system 8 user. even though it has major difficulties with JavaScript 01:23 < dtm_> here in a small town 01:23 < dtm_> mareklug_: how is it better than mozilla 01:23 < mareklug_> Mozilla 1.3.1 is actually quite ok, but it too crashes unexpectedly 01:23 < mareklug_> and it does not tun on 7 01:24 < mareklug_> it's good to have alternatives 01:24 < tommorris> IE5 for Mac. ;) 01:24 < dtm_> sheesh. 01:25 < mareklug_> tommorris on system 8.5 and up, yes. not on 8.1 and not on 7. 01:25 < dtm_> so the only value in iCab is for 68000 systems 01:25 < mareklug_> it does show up on 10.2.8 01:25 < dtm_> like a Mac SE 01:25 < mareklug_> or even 10.2 out of the box 01:25 < dtm_> mareklug_: i have an imac g3 bondi blue, which probably has 10.2 on it 01:25 < dtm_> i think it's 300 MHz and 128MB or something 01:25 < mareklug_> dtm you would be surprised. Go to http://icab.de and look at all their offerings on the Download page. 01:26 < dtm_> i dont wanna know its specs lol 01:26 < mareklug_> dtm I meant, they ahve it for MOUNTAIN LION 01:26 < dtm_> uh huh 01:26 < mareklug_> iCab 5.01 or something 01:26 < mareklug_> 20$ shareware, but the only nag is the initial popup box. 01:26 < SigmaWP> http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/ottomanrifles_s5S.jpg 01:27 < mareklug_> but over the years I have paid them at least twice. :) 01:29 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:30 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 01:31 < dtm_> mareklug_: paying for a web browser. ludicrous! 01:32 < dtm_> mareklug_: have you been to the chicago wikipedia meetups? 01:33 -!- peachey|laptop__ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:33 < mareklug_> no. I have resisted being drafted as its organizer, too. Hardly anyone goes to them, and it is all guys, and it is far away from me. 01:36 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-68-164.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:40 < dtm_> mareklug_: all.... guys? lol 01:42 < dtm_> tommorris: http://pastebin.com/bMRLT1S8 01:42 < dtm_> tommorris: let me know what you think 01:43 -!- Adrianzo [~androirc@190.207.6.79] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:43 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [] 01:43 -!- Adrianzo [~androirc@190.207.6.79] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:43 < dtm_> and you, mareklug_, if you have enlightened concerns about OTRS and about wiki-legalism 01:44 < tommorris> dtm_: who is that to? the deleting admin? because I've kind of already emailed him. 01:44 < dtm_> tommorris: yes 01:44 < dtm_> and that's nice, and serves to strengthen the issue, but i wanted to reply too 01:45 < dtm_> coz i'm neat like that 01:45 < dtm_> i take it pretty seriously. i am personally maxed out with this whole phenomenon. 01:45 < dtm_> or, i should say, the overall transparency and health of the organization and of the volunteer community, are one of my primary personal interests 01:46 < dtm_> even though i can't friggin see through it at all 01:47 < dtm_> ...cabals 01:48 < tommorris> OTRS isn't really a cabal, or rather it is a necessary cabal. 01:48 < dtm_> perhaps they're a necessary "evil" 01:48 < dtm_> hah. stereo. 01:54 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:56 < dtm_> tommorris: so what do you think about my letter? sounds good? 01:57 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile2 [~LtNOWIS@mb05736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:57 < dtm_> tommorris: the words of a model citizen? 01:59 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Quit: User has quit this network.] 01:59 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:59 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has left #wikipedia-en [] 02:00 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile [~LtNOWIS@mec2336d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:01 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:06 < tommorris> dtm_: dunno, I'm afraid, just went into headache zone. 02:06 < dtm_> tommorris: oh no. i'm sorry man. 02:06 < tommorris> dtm_: drawing large scale conclusions on the basis of individual cases seems problematic 02:07 < dtm_> tommorris: i wasn't drawing a conclusion. i was stating a general concession for the individual 02:08 < dtm_> "i wouldn't know" is not a conclusion ^_^ 02:08 < dtm_> tommorris: but you go take care of yourself or whatever 02:08 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:08 < tommorris> I was going to try and spit out a few paragraphs for Wikinews, but I should really go out for a walk 02:09 < dtm_> tommorris: yeah. do that. 02:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "OTRS is run by an elite group of users, I know this because they didnt let me in" - A certain wikipedian 02:10 * ToAruShiroiNeko pets tommorris with a crowbar 02:11 < dtm_> lol! 02:11 < dtm_> LOLS for all! 02:12 < tommorris> can't be that elite, they let me in. 02:12 < mareklug_> tommorris you should not pet people who come with crowbars 02:12 -!- jhldhfljh [~ujhdlujld@188.24.16.206] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug_ its a half life reference 02:12 < mareklug_> erm, I meant, ToAruShiroiNeko shouldn't 02:13 -!- jhldhfljh [~ujhdlujld@188.24.16.206] has left #wikipedia-en [] 02:13 < dtm_> tommorris: i removed some of the generalized talk 02:13 -!- albel727_ [~albel727@unaffiliated/albel727] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:14 < dtm_> tommorris: sent. now, as for you, GET OUT 02:16 < dtm_> <3 02:18 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 02:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug_ there are unconfirmed reports of two deaths 02:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 1000-2000 injuries 02:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and at least 939 arrests 02:18 < mareklug_> why are Turks being unhappy? 02:18 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its an accumilation of a number of issues 02:19 < dtm_> geez, mareklug_ what did you DO?! 02:19 < SigmaWP> mareklug_: It started with the government wanting to build a mall over a park 02:19 < dtm_> oh this one wasn't mareklug_'s fault? 02:19 < SigmaWP> You know what 02:19 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has left #wikipedia-en ["The bumblebee lived on the archipelago, and the tessellating glimmers hitting the stochastic tsunami at sunset dazzled its photoreceptors"] 02:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> especially secularists do not like the imposement of religous life on them 02:19 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:19 < SigmaWP> mareklug_: http://i.imgur.com/q3XfOFf.jpg 02:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> over the course of the past 8 months a number of events happened 02:20 < SigmaWP> mareklug_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEapNRakzDI too 02:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> including severe restrictions on alcohol, attempts to ban public kissing 02:20 < dtm_> SigmaWP: wow. 02:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> last week tere was a kissing protest where people defied pressure by attempting to kiss in public 02:21 -!- mareklug_ is now known as mareklug 02:21 < mareklug> why did I have a tail? 02:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> some dickheads attaped to "fix" that with a meat clever 02:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug you missed everything I typed right? 02:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or not? 02:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh you just changed nick 02:22 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko not at all. my screen is yellow with your pings 02:22 < mareklug> as that is the highlight color 02:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ah 02:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> overal the prime minister tries to dictate everything and people are rather tired of it 02:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the violent supression of gezi park protestors was the final draw 02:24 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko with all due respect, this heavy government hand is not befitting a 21st century country that wishes to join EU 02:24 -!- Adrianzo [~androirc@190.207.6.79] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25 -!- Adrianzo [~androirc@190.207.6.79] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think islamists leaning conservatives are remotely interested in joining the EU 02:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> very few europeans can read turkish politics right 02:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> The Turkish Doctors Association said on 31 May that nearly 1000 people were injured in Istanbul, including six who lost eyes after being hit in the face by tear gas canisters. 02:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Human Rights Watch reported a student losing an eye after being hit by a plastic bullet. 02:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Amnesty International reports that at least two protestors in Istanbul have died. 02:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> offically all over a bunch of trees 02:31 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [~admin@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34 < jubo2> peer is a member of the Turkish Secret Police 02:35 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [~admin@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:36 < jubo2> wb ToAruShiroiNeko 02:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug suprisingly there are a lot of freely licensed videos 02:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> o hai 02:38 -!- nick123 [~potboyWZL@cs78210131.pp.htv.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:39 -!- nick123 [~potboyWZL@cs78210131.pp.htv.fi] has left #wikipedia-en [] 02:44 -!- muahaha is now known as muahaha|dead 02:44 < kondi> http://menstrupedia.com/ 02:45 < kondi> top visitors from India, followed by US 02:46 < mareklug> dtm_ it fucking works with one click, and it is Mac OS 9.04!!!!! The dude did a brilliant job of customizing sheepshaver and setting it up so it would just work, and used his own 9.04 disk to do this (more or less; I read the readme). https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/ClassicOnIntelWorkingOnMyLAN.png 02:47 < mareklug> dtm_ that's emulator talking to my Debian 6.0.6 on the Wallstreet without me configuring a thing. 02:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug so yeah thats a summary of a long term frustration 02:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> live cameras seem to be disabled 02:54 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile2 [~LtNOWIS@mb05736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:00 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Quit: May your day be wharrgarbl free] 03:06 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [Quit: wctaiwan] 03:10 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:11 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:14 < mareklug> dtm_ are you there, my man????? this is a time to break out a Leinenkugel's! 03:15 < mareklug> networking works as long as you don't switch on appletalk :) 03:17 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:20 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 03:20 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:21 -!- franny [fran@unaffiliated/franny] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23 -!- franny [fran@unaffiliated/franny] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:32 -!- Adrianzo [~androirc@190.207.6.79] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:42 < jubo2> beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! 03:42 < gry> Ouch. 03:42 < gry> It doesn't sound particularly compatible with Wikipedia, does it. 03:42 < jubo2> Nothing like drinkin' & trolling 03:43 < jubo2> 'xcept smoking crack and trolling of course 03:43 < tommorris> I tend to find a double vodka makes ANI much more enjoyable. 03:49 -!- shimgray [~andrew@host86-170-169-54.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:49 -!- shimgray [~andrew@host86-170-169-54.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:49 -!- shimgray [~andrew@wikimedia/Shimgray] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:55 -!- BadDesign [~quassel@unaffiliated/baddesign] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:55 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:58 -!- thedj [~pjotr@524B246D.cm-4-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:58 -!- thedj [~pjotr@524B246D.cm-4-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 03:58 -!- thedj [~pjotr@unaffiliated/thedj] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:08 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|zZzZ 04:24 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-68-164.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Beams.] 04:30 -!- Firefly671 [~Firefly67@c-24-15-29-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:31 < YuviPanda> being not involved makes ANI a lot more enjoyable too :) 04:31 -!- TBloemink is now known as TB|Away 04:32 -!- JustBerry [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/justberry] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:33 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile [~LtNOWIS@mb05736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:38 -!- JoFo [~Jean-Fran@host-213-213-224-210.brutele.be] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:42 -!- addsleep is now known as addshore 04:51 -!- oscarriodelgado [~oscarrio@190.205.24.173] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:52 -!- albel727 [~albel727@unaffiliated/albel727] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:55 -!- TB|Away is now known as TBloemink 04:55 -!- oscarriodelgado [~oscarrio@190.205.24.173] has left #wikipedia-en [] 05:04 -!- YuviPanda is now known as zz_YuviPanda 05:04 -!- Titodutta [0e637075@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.99.112.117] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:05 -!- Titodutta [0e637075@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.99.112.117] has quit [Client Quit] 05:05 -!- Guest38913 [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:10 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:10 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile [~LtNOWIS@mb05736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:15 -!- Delong [~infamyFMW@cpc13-glen4-2-0-cust111.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:18 -!- TBloemink is now known as TB|Away 05:21 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile [~LtNOWIS@mb05736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:21 -!- Delong [~infamyFMW@cpc13-glen4-2-0-cust111.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #wikipedia-en ["Silentium est aureum"] 05:22 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 05:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> live protests: http://rt.com/on-air/turkey-protest-istanbul-park/ 05:25 < elkng> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey 05:26 < closedmouth> gobble gobble 05:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> closedmouth you are aware of the 2 fatalities and 1000 injured I hope. 05:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I tend to have such high hopes :p 05:27 < closedmouth> it's turkey time 05:31 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:35 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:35 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 05:35 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:42 -!- DivT [~Umut@c83-251-213-231.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:45 < LtNOWIS-mobile> Hmm. I didn't realize the 9/11 hijackers checked bags when they boarded 05:45 -!- IH|away is now known as Ironholds 05:48 -!- shimgray is now known as shim-away 05:50 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:50 -!- Beria [~Beria@186.212.98.69] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:50 -!- Beria [~Beria@186.212.98.69] has quit [Changing host] 05:50 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:52 -!- BadDesign [~quassel@unaffiliated/baddesign] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:57 -!- albel727_ [~albel727@unaffiliated/albel727] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> LtNOWIS-mobile so luggage restrictions was the source of 9/11? 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08:30 < Theo10011> what's your twitter handle? 08:31 < kondi> something weird 08:31 < Carly> lol,I don't know how many followers I do have :( 08:32 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:34 < Carly> theo10011 you replied to me again like a crazy xd 08:38 -!- tuprincipe [~canaima@190-76-188-232.dyn.movilnet.com.ve] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:39 -!- Delong [~infamyFMW@cpc13-glen4-2-0-cust111.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:40 -!- Delong [~infamyFMW@cpc13-glen4-2-0-cust111.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:42 < kondi> YuviPanda: around? 08:43 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@184-8-85-29.dsl1-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:43 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@184-8-85-29.dsl1-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:43 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:43 < YuviPanda> yo 08:43 < YuviPanda> sortof 08:43 < 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Hi Carly ! 09:37 < TOS> Whats the new news at the new court? 09:37 < Carly> someone want cookies 09:37 < Carly> ? 09:37 < TOS> Me. 09:38 * Carly gives cookies to TOS 09:38 < addshore> anyone want to proof read something for me? :D 09:38 < TOS> Sure 09:38 < Carly> picnic! 09:39 < addshore> TOS: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Global_Wikidata_Bots :D 09:39 * TOS eats the cookies 09:39 * Carly eats too 09:41 -!- albel727 [~albel727@unaffiliated/albel727] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:41 -!- iospace [alex@emufarmers.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:41 -!- iospace [alex@emufarmers.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:41 -!- iospace [alex@wikipedia/Alexandria] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:42 -!- iospace [alex@wikipedia/Alexandria] has left #wikipedia-en [] 09:42 < Carly> lol 09:43 < Theo10011> cookie cookie cookie 09:43 < Carly> you came late 09:43 < Theo10011> Cookie! 09:44 * Carly steals cookies from kitchen 09:44 * Carly gives them to Theo10011 09:47 < Qcoder00> Hmm 09:48 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:48 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:49 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:50 -!- albel727 [~albel727@unaffiliated/albel727] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:50 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 09:51 -!- addihockey10_ [c6073ecc@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:51 -!- addihockey10_ is now known as swarley 09:52 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-238-56.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:53 -!- dks__ [~dks@41.202.193.48] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:53 -!- dks__ [~dks@41.202.193.48] has quit [Client Quit] 09:55 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:56 < Carly> the BKN actress dead :( 09:56 < Carly> she was sick 09:56 * Carly hides 09:58 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 09:59 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 10:02 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:03 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:04 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 10:05 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Quit: So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Operator from a pure heart.] 10:05 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:05 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-70-65.public.wayport.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:05 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-70-65.public.wayport.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:05 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:07 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:09 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:10 -!- thineantiquepen is now known as TAP|away 10:12 -!- Yetanotherx is now known as Yetanotherx|afk 10:13 -!- Yetanotherx|afk is now known as Yetanotherx 10:14 < koishi> this guy's trying too hard 10:14 < koishi> i'd really like to know how people get these kind of mentalities 10:15 < Theo10011> ? 10:16 -!- idoru [idoru@freenode/utility-bot/ex-server/idoru] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:17 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:19 -!- Yetanotherx is now known as Yetanotherx|afk 10:20 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:20 -!- JohnLewis is now known as JL|AWAY 10:20 < koishi> theo10011: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:C1_(television)#Suggested_renaming 10:21 < koishi> i wonder how many of these sources use "nintendo wii"... 10:21 -!- muahaha|dead is now known as muahaha 10:21 -!- TOS [TOS@117.194.82.59] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:21 -!- TOS [TOS@117.194.82.59] has quit [Changing host] 10:21 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:26 -!- Theo10011 [~Theo10011@wikimedia/Theo10011] has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:26 -!- Theo10011 [~Theo10011@wikimedia/Theo10011] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:26 < Carly> lol 10:28 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@cpe-66-91-105-162.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:28 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@cpe-66-91-105-162.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 10:28 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:28 < Qcoder00> BTW I heard some geek describe hacking a wii to run homebrew as 'taking the p**s out of nintendo!" 10:28 < Qcoder00> It made me giigle owing to British slang 10:29 < kondi> I shouldn't have gotten on irc today 10:29 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:30 -!- kondi is now known as sheepish_kondi 10:31 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [Quit: wctaiwan] 10:31 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:32 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:33 -!- TOS [TOS@117.194.83.110] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:33 -!- TOS [TOS@117.194.83.110] has quit [Changing host] 10:33 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:34 -!- addshore is now known as addfood 10:35 -!- D1000|Away is now known as Demiurge1000 10:35 < koishi> ok, he is literally ignoring the box 10:36 < koishi> i gotta make this joke 10:36 < koishi> i just gotta 10:38 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 10:38 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39 -!- TOS2 [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:40 < dtm_> Qcoder00: yes. moronic. 10:40 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:40 < Qcoder00> hi dtm_ 10:43 < koishi> ok this guy's starting to accuse me of stuff 10:43 < TOS2> koishi, where? 10:44 -!- David_Stevenson [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:44 < dtm_> Carly: yeah i saw. you're definitely not going to translate my article, so i'll continue my search. 10:45 < Carly> I will try 10:45 < dtm_> i can't believe that there's not a template to find someone to translate from english. 10:45 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-95-33-105.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:45 < Carly> sorry,I dont have a laptop and if still dont know,I am connected to IRC from my phone 10:45 < Carly> I cant edit from a phone!!!! 10:46 < dtm_> mareklug: blam blam blam blammmmm 10:46 < dtm_> mareklug: and it's fast huh 10:46 < elkng> are there some documentary on wiki ? 10:47 < elkng> some long videos like ones from history or science channels 10:47 < dtm_> tommorris: feeling better sir? the OTRS guy robotically ignored everything i said! so i helpfully informed him of that. 10:47 < elkng> or the only content on wiki is html pages, pictures, short audio samples and video ? 10:48 < dtm_> Carly: sorry to hear that! <3 <3 <3 10:48 < Jeske_Couriano> elkng) We do not host documentaries. 10:48 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 10:48 < dtm_> elkng: http://www.videoonwikipedia.com/r 10:48 < dtm_> oops. http://www.videoonwikipedia.com/ 10:48 < dtm_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lights_Camera_Wiki 10:48 -!- addfood is now known as addshore 10:48 < dtm_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Videos 10:48 < Carly> dtm_ maybe I can try edit something on the article,but be aware,it will be very slow 10:49 < koishi> tos2: hang on, laying the smackdown (that will be completely ignored) 10:49 < dtm_> Carly: no dont worry about it on a phone if you dont want to! lol 10:49 -!- TOS [TOS@117.194.81.93] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:49 -!- TOS [TOS@117.194.81.93] has quit [Changing host] 10:49 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:49 < koishi> this guy is seriously trying to tell me that the fucking box of the product is going to be a sps somehow 10:49 < Ironholds> koishi: again, where? 10:49 < koishi> i'm getting these images from google! you're getting your usage counts from google too, clown 10:50 < Carly> how I log in from my phone 10:50 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Quit: Solarra] 10:50 < koishi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:SF1_(television) 10:50 < dtm_> Carly: how wouldn't you? 10:50 < koishi> about to publish something, hang on 10:50 < dtm_> Carly: username and password 10:50 < Carly> ah 10:50 < Carly> but where 10:50 -!- lbenedix1 [~lbenedix@g225045218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:50 < dtm_> Carly: every mobile page has a link to the full page 10:50 -!- DivT [~Umut@c83-251-213-231.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:50 < Carly> :( 10:50 -!- TOS2 [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:50 < Carly> I dont know 10:51 < dtm_> you don't know what? 10:51 < Carly> how log in 10:52 -!- lbenedix [~lbenedix@e179164215.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:52 < dtm_> :-I 10:52 < Carly> :| 10:52 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:53 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 10:53 -!- Wiki13 [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:53 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@cpe-66-91-105-162.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:53 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@cpe-66-91-105-162.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 10:53 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:56 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:57 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:57 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has quit [Changing host] 10:57 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:57 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Client Quit] 10:57 < Bradford> Guerillero: :333 10:58 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@cpe-66-91-105-162.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:58 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@cpe-66-91-105-162.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 10:58 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:59 -!- Guest38913 [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:59 -!- swarley [c6073ecc@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:00 < Guerillero> hey Bradford 11:01 < PinkAmpersand> Susan: around? 11:01 < Solarra> h PinkAmpersand :-) 11:01 < PinkAmpersand> hi Solarra! :) 11:01 < Bradford> :-) 11:01 < Susan> PinkAmpersand: Maybe. 11:01 < Susan> I'm raging at GitHub. 11:02 < Susan> And debating what to do for lunch. 11:02 < PinkAmpersand> Susan: am i correct in recalling that "snitch" is your bot? 11:02 < Susan> Yes. 11:02 < YuviPanda> what did GitHub do? 11:02 < PinkAmpersand> ah. apparently someone's instructed it to stalk every change on en.wp, leading to the predictable meltdown 11:02 < Susan> I keep getting an angry unicorn. 11:02 < Susan> Rather than the page I want. 11:02 < Susan> They were having issues earlier today. 11:02 < Susan> I think this is related. 11:03 < PinkAmpersand> angry unicorn... sounds like something out of Narnia 11:03 < Susan> PinkAmpersand: People are the worst. 11:03 < Susan> PinkAmpersand: So just unstalk that? 11:03 < Susan> Who abused the bot? 11:03 < Qcoder00> Erm 11:03 < PinkAmpersand> idk. 11:03 < PinkAmpersand> JL|AWAY is the one who mentioned ti to me 11:03 < PinkAmpersand> *it 11:04 < Qcoder00> elkng: Documenatries would be on Commons 11:04 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:04 < Qcoder00> I wasn't aware of any good ones under a 'free' license 11:04 -!- TOS2 [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:04 < dtm_> Carly: what happened to your laptop? 11:05 < Carly> is hidden 11:05 < dtm_> Carly: did your mom and dad take it away because you were bad? </3 11:05 < Carly> my dad took away my laptop,he said I was much time online 11:05 < PinkAmpersand> thanks MZ! 11:05 < elkng> Qcoder00: is "Through The Wormhole" in commons ? 11:05 < Carly> then,is saved fron March 11:05 < dtm_> Carly: does he... know you have a phone? 11:05 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:06 < Qcoder00> elkng: I don't think so 11:06 < Qcoder00> Is it under a 'free' license? 11:06 < Carly> yes 11:06 < dtm_> Carly: does he think that makes any sense? 11:06 < Carly> he tries every day to take away the phone,but cannot dl 11:06 < dtm_> lol??? 11:06 < Carly> nope 11:06 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:06 < Carly> :/ 11:06 < dtm_> oh, Carly, Carly, Carly! 11:06 < dtm_> ay, Carly! 11:07 < dtm_> ay, ay, Cap'n Carl!!! 11:07 < Carly> lol? 11:07 < sheepish_kondi> man, coffee was awful 11:07 < Bradford> Carly: fea 11:07 < sheepish_kondi> fucking shit it was 11:07 < dtm_> Carly: clearly i can see that the next step is that this channel must punish you. 11:07 < Carly> feo bradford 11:07 < Carly> punish¿ 11:07 < dtm_> the Carly *must* be punished! 11:08 < Bradford> Carly: sos demasiado fea 11:08 < Bradford> |: 11:08 * TOS2 pulls out a pitchfork 11:08 < koishi> getting sick of this 11:08 < koishi> these guys just wanna fight 11:08 < Carly> bradford sos feo y monstruo 11:08 < Carly> no 11:08 < Bradford> Carly: yes 11:08 < Bradford> sos muy fea 11:08 < Carly> I dont wanna fight 11:08 < Carly> No 11:08 < koishi> they're not the slightest bit concerned for this stupid old tv that probably doesn't even work anymore 11:08 < Carly> bradford sos horrible 11:08 < Bradford> yes 11:08 < Bradford> no 11:08 < Carly> no 11:08 < Bradford> yes 11:08 < Carly> yes 11:08 < Carly> no 11:08 < dtm_> koishi: what guys? 11:08 < Bradford> no 11:09 < Bradford> >_> 11:09 < Carly> stop 11:09 < Bradford> stop you 11:09 < Carly> no,you 11:09 < Bradford> no, you 11:09 < Carly> or I will ignore 11:09 < dtm_> NO U 11:09 < Bradford> <_< 11:09 < koishi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:C1_(television)#Suggested_renaming 11:09 * Carly sets ignore 11:09 < dtm_> koishi: oh hahaaaaaaa. 11:10 < dtm_> koishi: it's time for you to set it straight 11:10 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:10 < dtm_> koishi: to be the voice of reason 11:10 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:10 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@h104217.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:10 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@h104217.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Changing host] 11:10 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:11 < Carly> dtm_ I am logged in,can you please give me the links to translate? 11:11 -!- YuviPanda is now known as zz_YuviPanda 11:12 -!- ragesoss_ [~quassel@pool-74-98-210-132.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:13 -!- TOS2 [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:14 -!- TOS [TOS@117.194.83.58] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:14 -!- TOS [TOS@117.194.83.58] has quit [Changing host] 11:14 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:14 -!- addihockey10_ [c6073ecc@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:15 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:15 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 11:15 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:15 < koishi> it hurts 11:15 < koishi> oh it hurts 11:15 < koishi> dtm_: who are you talking about specifically 11:15 < Carly> cool 11:16 < koishi> err, what 11:17 -!- Mike_H [~quassel@72.184.56.186] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:17 -!- Mike_H is now known as Guest2521 11:19 < koishi> "Where is this box art you keep mentioning?" <-- i don't want to live on this planet anymore :( 11:19 < koishi> i'm being trolled 11:19 < koishi> there is no other explanation for this daymare 11:20 < dtm_> Carly: you're dedicated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walfredo_Reyes,_Jr. --> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Smuckola/Walfredo_Reyes,_Jr. 11:20 < Carly> thank you again dtm_ 11:20 < dtm_> Carly: don't get in trouble! do your homework! do your chores! don't do drugs! stay in school! 11:21 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:21 < Carly> dtm_ ? 11:23 < mattbuck> you heard dtm_ 11:23 < mattbuck> are you in school right now? 11:24 -!- lbenedix [~lbenedix@g225045218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:24 -!- jakr [~jake@unaffiliated/jakr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25 -!- Dcoetzee [~Dcoetzee@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25 * GorillaWarfare shudders 11:25 < GorillaWarfare> The coating of pollen on my desk is pretty horrifying 11:25 * mattbuck hands GorillaWarfare a blanket 11:26 -!- Dcoetzee [~Dcoetzee@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:26 -!- lbenedix1 [~lbenedix@g225045218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:26 < GorillaWarfare> Gah 11:26 < GorillaWarfare> No 11:26 < GorillaWarfare> Get it away 11:27 -!- Guest2521 is now known as Mike_H 11:27 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 11:27 -!- JustBerry [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/justberry] has left #wikipedia-en [] 11:28 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 11:28 < mattbuck> agh, just got fucking blinded :/ 11:29 < mattbuck> someone across the road opened a window, and the angle was just right to reflect blinding sun at me 11:29 < Theo10011> are you driving? 11:29 < mattbuck> no 11:32 -!- JL|AWAY is now known as JohnLewis 11:33 < Bradford> Carly: feo 11:33 < Bradford> fea* 11:34 < Carly> ** 'Bradford' added to ignore list. User is ignored for: Channel, Private, Notice, Invite 11:34 < Carly> bye. 11:34 < Bradford> -_- 11:34 -!- darev [~darev@p54AA84E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:35 < darev> Hello! 11:35 -!- TAP|away is now known as thineantiquepen 11:35 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 11:36 < Bradford> hi darev 11:36 < darev> hi, Bradford 11:37 < mareklug> dtm dunno how fast it is, as I am still solving basic transportation problems (getting Mac files over ftp without corrupting the forks). There used to be a gzip for Mac OS 9, I am pretty sure, but I have not located it yet. And even silly BinHex utility has eluded me. This is because of incompetent StuffIt/Stufft Expander compatibilities on various machines. 11:37 < mareklug> and as I said, appletalk switched on will bring the emulator down on connection attempt 11:38 < koishi> of course now he refuses to say anything else 11:38 < koishi> and if he does, it'll ignore half of what i say yet again 11:38 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 11:38 < koishi> and accuse me of some other stupid thing 11:38 < koishi> how are you supposed to deal with these people? 11:38 < mareklug> dtm_ ^ 11:38 < Bradford> ( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) 11:38 < koishi> i'm tired of waiting, i'll check later 11:40 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:40 -!- DivT [~Umut@c83-251-213-231.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:41 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@cpe-74-78-76-129.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:41 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@cpe-74-78-76-129.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 11:41 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:52 < dtm_> mareklug: why are you using ftp and not netatalk? 11:52 < dtm_> or anything at all other than netatalk 11:53 < dtm_> oh. 11:53 < dtm_> so the emulator crashes? :-o 11:53 < dtm_> lol 11:53 < mareklug> i don't have a netalk anything, and I doubt I could unpack it in the current state of disaster 11:53 < mareklug> I am looking to bootstrap myself in the Stuffit lossage 11:53 < dtm_> koishi: regarding the NES TV? submit it to the arbitration group, whatever that is 11:54 < dtm_> mareklug: you don't know that there's always been a free native appletalk server for unix? interesting. well, there is. 11:54 < dtm_> sudo apt-get install netatalk 11:54 < dtm_> is what i'd imagine would work 11:54 < mareklug> it does not matter, does it, if the sheepshitter quits when you enable its appletalk 11:54 < dtm_> yeah. 11:55 < dtm_> mareklug: and you can't upgrade the mac os 9 guest? 11:55 < Carly> (Error) Unfortunatly, DCC is not possible over 3G, so it isn't and won't be supported 11:55 < Carly> :( 11:55 < dtm_> Carly: wat 11:55 < dtm_> Carly: DCC on IRC? 11:55 < Carly> yes 11:55 < dtm_> Carly: did your dad take your wifi router too 11:55 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Quit: Limpieza a la compuuuuuuuu :DDDD] 11:56 < dtm_> how are you DCCing stuff from your phone? 11:56 < dtm_> what are you wanting to DCC? 11:56 < mareklug> dtm I am sorry, but I have 9.04 running thanks to the TBP download, and that is the end of road for that baby. The point that is more salient is that I am shit out of luck for now unpacking anything, as all I have is stuffit 4 tools, specifically, StuffIt 4.5. so I am trying to get a Stuffit5 that may be unpacked by 4.5 and so on down the line to 7.03. 11:56 < Carly> dtm_ I dont have wi-fi,I use internet mobile 11:56 < dtm_> mareklug: yeah i meant i was wondering if it'd be more stable using a newer mac os 9 if you ran the mac os updater 11:56 < Carly> my 3G net 11:56 < dtm_> mareklug: is there some reason that a newer mac os won't work? 11:56 < dtm_> like 9.2.2 or whatever it is 11:57 < dtm_> mareklug: also doesn't Fetch decode stuff? 11:57 < mareklug> it may. I have stuffit expander the newest running on my Intel desktop right now 11:57 < dtm_> mareklug: so it could decode an archivers 11:57 < dtm_> Carly: why do you want dcc 11:58 < Carly> for do something 11:58 < mareklug> indeed it did. now to shlep it over to sheepsavage 11:58 < dtm_> mareklug: insufferable! 11:59 < dtm_> mareklug: i faced the same chicken-and-egg problem many times in the 90s 11:59 < dtm_> even on my Apple //gs. i used the Macs at school, to copy between ProDOS and FAT16 disks 11:59 < dtm_> ridiculous. 12:01 -!- sheepish_kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:01 < mareklug> no, the fucking things was mutiliated in the transport from 10.8.3 to the emulator. It lost its creator and icon and shit knows what else. It looks fine on 10.8.3 12:01 < mareklug> this is very annoying. 12:01 < dtm_> yeah. 12:02 < mareklug> I need BinHex for all my shines 12:03 < dtm_> blam 12:06 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 12:06 -!- Yetanotherx|afk is now known as Yetanotherx 12:06 -!- Carly is now known as Carly|away 12:07 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 12:15 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Quit: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you] 12:16 -!- Son_Gohan [~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:18 < SigmaWP> Do the people here have any opinion on Julian Assange? 12:19 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-95-33-105.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Beams.] 12:20 < QueenOfFrance> SigmaWP: he's some aussie dude I think 12:20 < Theo10011> He needs to get his hair dyed. 12:20 < Theo10011> Pink would look nice. 12:20 < QueenOfFrance> Theo10011: lmao that would indeed look nice 12:20 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:20 < Theo10011> The white hair makes him look like a villain. 12:20 < Theo10011> Pink or purple would suit him. 12:21 < QueenOfFrance> and pink her would make him look like somebody out of MLP or something 12:21 < SigmaWP> nah, white is fine 12:21 < SigmaWP> He just needs a beard now 12:21 < QueenOfFrance> {{cn}} 12:22 < SigmaWP> He kind of looks like Michio Kaku 12:22 < QueenOfFrance> He looks like a villain 12:22 -!- nsh [~nsh@obquire.infologie.co] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:22 < QueenOfFrance> all he needs is blind eyes 12:22 < QueenOfFrance> or red eyes 12:22 < SigmaWP> or sinister glasses 12:22 < QueenOfFrance> or a cat 12:22 < Theo10011> or a phantom hand 12:22 < QueenOfFrance> and a swirly chair 12:24 < QueenOfFrance> #wikipedia-en, your home for fashion advice. 12:24 < Theo10011> Dr. strangeassange 12:26 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:26 < mareklug> dtm_ partial success: managed to snag a stuffit expander 5.1.2 that the wretched stuffit classic 4.5 managed to unpack despite erroring; then the expander 5.1.2 managed to unpack Stuffit 7.0.3 which just installed and made me reboot. 12:26 < dtm_> k 12:27 < QueenOfFrance> wait, you need to reboot to install a simple winrar clone for mac? :P 12:27 < dtm_> mareklug: lol 12:27 < QueenOfFrance> "StuffIt® Zips Everything!!" 12:27 < Jasper_Deng> QueenOfFrance: reboots are almost never actually necessary 12:27 < Jasper_Deng> when installing most software 12:27 < Jasper_Deng> despite what many installers tell you 12:27 < mareklug> dtm_ and we have Gzip 12:27 < QueenOfFrance> Jasper_Deng: I'm not a mac user. 12:27 < Jasper_Deng> that's on Windows 12:27 < dtm_> force quit the installer! 12:27 < QueenOfFrance> Jasper_Deng: then what do I care about? 12:28 * Jasper_Deng knows what OS you use 12:28 < QueenOfFrance> as in, did you really think I was so stupid that I didn't know that? *headdes* 12:28 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng when you have a fucking modal dialog with the only option being restart, you restart 12:28 < Jasper_Deng> no 12:28 -!- Theopolisme is now known as Theo|away 12:28 < Jasper_Deng> I've always seen "cancel" 12:28 < QueenOfFrance> also, I was assuming this stuffit thing was being run on mac 12:28 < QueenOfFrance> seems pointless on win 12:28 < dtm_> "Economist [[Tyler Cowen]] wrote: "If I had to guess whether Wikipedia or the median refereed journal article on economics was more likely to be true, after a not so long think I would opt for Wikipedia."" -- [[Wikipedia]] 12:29 -!- forbidEOH [~hashedSXH@adsl-74-177-136-183.int.bellsouth.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:29 < mareklug> QueenOfFrance far from pointless, it lets you unstuff mac stuff on win. 12:29 < mareklug> or rather, mac-packaged stuff on win 12:29 < mareklug> and indeed thear are .exe versions, I snagged a few while doing my searching 12:29 < QueenOfFrance> mareklug: as in .dmg? 12:29 -!- nsh [~nsh@obquire.infologie.co] has quit [Changing host] 12:29 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:29 < QueenOfFrance> or what sort of archive format are we talking about? 12:29 < mareklug> QueenOfFrance sure, and binhez anbd macbinary and .sit 12:30 < mareklug> binhex 12:30 < QueenOfFrance> "Changes to the Stuffit compression software, claimed by the developer to be upgrades, frequently render previous versions of Stuffit unable to decompress newer archives without first downloading or purchasing the new version." LOL 12:31 < dtm_> we're talking about obsolete archive formats fyi 12:31 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng with all due respect, you know shit about how Mac system 7/8/9 works, apparently. You have to reboot in order to activate the newly lodged Extensions. 12:31 * Jasper_Deng hasn't used any Mac version earlier than 9 and hasn't used any version earlier than 10 since 6 years ago 12:31 < mareklug> QueenOfFrance indeed, a living hell. 12:32 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@66.59.113.130] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:32 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@66.59.113.130] has quit [Changing host] 12:32 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:32 < QueenOfFrance> mareklug: no chances of setting fire to whoever is making you use these formats? :( 12:32 < mareklug> so perhaps Jasper_Deng should not opine on the subject, hmmm? 12:32 < dtm_> "freely distributable stuff gets upgraded" isn't a hardship. 12:32 < nsh> *whomever 12:32 < nsh> ;) 12:32 < dtm_> QueenOfFrance: it is entirely masochistic 12:33 < mareklug> QueenOfFrance you don't understand. I am trying to resurrect a whole farm of obsolete equipment. Right now I am in the let's-make ftp safe for transporting mac stuff on the LAN phase 12:33 < QueenOfFrance> mareklug: oh dear, I see 12:33 < QueenOfFrance> Seems like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unarchiver opens at least some formats 12:33 < dtm_> yeah and that's only because he's not able to run native file sharing :-o 12:33 < mareklug> QueenOfFrance the end result will be being able to use my modern iMac to edit my ancient documents that require Mac 7/9 software. 12:33 < QueenOfFrance> mareklug: oh I see 12:34 < dtm_> mareklug: did you google for sheepshaver crashing with appleshare? 12:34 < mareklug> no, i was busy chasing stuffit 12:34 < tommorris> people still use StuffIt? 12:35 < QueenOfFrance> tommorris: scroll up, mareklug's trying to open some old stuff 12:35 < dtm_> :-I 12:35 < dtm_> yes, and you knew that 12:35 < tommorris> oh okay. when the Mac community moved away from .sit files, I was very, very happy 12:35 < mareklug> now that I have Gzip available in the simulator and can ftp to the other macs, I can gzip the stuff that is missing on them (Stuffit 7.0.3 installer) and safely get it over there. then the Gzip itself. and then I will be able to get my documents and applications (PageMaker mainly) safely over to the emulator on the Intel iMac 12:35 < dtm_> tommorris: i replied again btw. the guy refused. 12:36 < tommorris> dtm_: what a ballache. when I have a few minutes, I'll start something on Commons about whether OTRSers should have the right to use their brains when it comes to what are likely to be work for hire portraits 12:36 < mareklug> tommorris actaully the stuffit people are peddling their wares even on Mountain Lion and Windows 7 12:36 < dtm_> tommorris: how's your head? 12:36 < dtm_> tommorris: you are a gem 12:37 < Qcoder00> tommorris: I am pleased 12:37 < dtm_> tommorris: he said "On 17 March, somebody pasted {{OTRS pending}} to the image. He should have 12:37 < dtm_> notified you, but as far as I can see this didn't happen. I'm sorry for that. We assume per default that the depicted person is not the photographer unless 12:37 < dtm_> explained otherwise. " 12:37 < Qcoder00> My proposal about a preusmption of deletion on certain images has sparked a debate... 12:37 < Qcoder00> :) 12:37 < Qcoder00> Most people seemed to want to keep the status quo though 12:37 < dtm_> so i asked him that unless the written policy is to delete first and discuss later, then please undelete it now for discussion. 12:37 < QueenOfFrance> DELETE ALL. 12:37 < QueenOfFrance> Solves all issues. 12:38 < tommorris> dtm_: the issue there isn't whether the depcited person is the photographer, it is whether OTRSers should be able to apply common sense in determining whether things are probably work-for-hire 12:38 < dtm_> sudo rm -rf ~QueenOfFrance 12:38 < dtm_> tommorris: yeah that too 12:38 < tommorris> like, if it is a photo of a small business owner and it is used on their website, it is probably work-for-hire 12:38 < dtm_> tommorris: that's what i said. 12:38 < tommorris> if it is a celebrity, might not be 12:38 < QueenOfFrance> dtm_: Permission denied. 12:38 < tommorris> the way to decide is: use your fucking brain 12:38 < Qcoder00> tommorris: Hi 12:39 < tommorris> and, dtm_, marginally better than it was. I might actually be able to face next week at work without wanting to murder anyone. ;) 12:39 < tommorris> hey Qcoder00 12:39 -!- forbidEOH [~hashedSXH@adsl-74-177-136-183.int.bellsouth.net] has left #wikipedia-en ["Silentium est aureum"] 12:39 < Qcoder00> My proposal get resolutey trashed 12:39 < Qcoder00> :( 12:39 < dtm_> tommorris: but EVEN SO. my point is that REGARDLESS of any of that, we made a good faith assertion of copyright ownership. nobody else knows any differently, and nobody in the public has challenged that assertion. thus they have no logical, legal, or community-common-sense-decency basis for messing with it. amirite. 12:39 -!- juliancolton [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:40 < dtm_> tommorris: what if i'd said that my uncle Sir Ronald of McDonald, was the photographer? 12:40 < dtm_> and *yes*, OTRS, that *is* his natural Christian name 12:41 < dtm_> Yes, it is. how dare you, you pack of racists 12:41 < dtm_> the Lord blessed him with jolly features. 12:42 < tommorris> dtm_: Commons and common sense do not mix very well. Like, if you claim to be a Wikipedian, you can go and take a stack of photos and upload them and claim them to be your copyright. I do so under my driving-license-name ('Tom Morris'), but others do so under pseudonyms ('Physics is all gnomes', 'Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry', 'Can't sleep, clown will eat me' etc. etc.) 12:42 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has left #wikipedia-en [] 12:42 < dtm_> tommorris: correct 12:42 < mareklug> dtm_ sweet! the end-of-the-road Stuffit Standard 7.0.3 for Mac Os 9.2.2 comes with DropTar, DropZip and DropStuff, as well as Stuffit Expander. 12:42 < dtm_> tommorris: also, WTF. 12:42 < tommorris> but if you come along and you are outside our community, we end up saying you have to send us an email. and then we say you've got to send us a scanned in document proving that the photographer you hired granted you the copyright 12:42 < dtm_> OUTSIDERS. 12:43 -!- Firefly67 [~Firefly67@unaffiliated/firefly67] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:43 < dtm_> undesirables!! 12:43 < nsh> tommorris, fascist. 12:43 < tommorris> ...and what if it is a verbal agreement because, fuck, like most small business transactions, it might not be worth the candle if it were to ever come to court 12:43 < dtm_> tommorris: what if it was a tourist asking a fellow citizen to take a pic on the citizen's camera and email it to the tourist? verbal contract, volunteer work for hire! 12:43 < nsh> anyone who even humours the possibility of court proceedings wrt to copyright is a fascist-facilitating totalitarian, i can safely say, without hyperbole 12:44 < dtm_> tommorris: let's call the IRS 12:44 < dtm_> tommorris: let's turn them in for tax evasion because the average professional services billing rate for photography exceeds the nominal barter and volunteer rate, so we have to consider the user to be a sole proprietorship 12:45 < dtm_> each photograph of bees in your yard, has a professional services value of $100, and you just uploaded 10 of them in a year, sorry 12:45 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o eir] by ChanServ 12:45 < dtm_> furthermore, you shot them on a DSLR, and mortals are not allowed to own professional quality equipment, sorry 12:45 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-bbo *!*@host86-172-85-134.range86-172.btcentralplus.com *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.14.11.74 eir] by eir 12:45 < tommorris> dtm_: meh, it's a charitable donation to the WMF. tax writeoff. 12:45 * nsh tactically refrains from quoting oscar wilde 12:46 -!- guillom is now known as basile 12:46 < dtm_> tommorris: Because. 12:46 < dtm_> tommorris: BEES. 12:46 < dtm_> tommorris: {{See also|Wookiees on Endor}} 12:46 < dtm_> tommorris: Bears. Bees. BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. 12:46 < dtm_> trollolololooo oh i *am* pleased with myself now. 12:47 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:47 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 12:47 < dtm_> tommorris: so how do we escalate this issue? 12:47 < dtm_> tommorris: is this seriously a universally held stupidity? 12:47 < dtm_> in the org 12:48 < tommorris> dtm_: commons policy perhaps. I'd suggest the best way would be if I were to ask a question on Commons. but not tonight. :) 12:48 < tommorris> I'll draft something up and post it on Commons tomorrow 12:49 < dtm_> this is my reply http://pastebin.com/fUYeVfnN 12:49 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 12:50 < dtm_> that's what i wrote this morning 12:50 < dtm_> and then of course like i said, i asked him to undelete the pic immediately during discussion 12:50 < dtm_> he says yeah sorry we deleted your stuff without any warning. *click* Well, then, undelete it now! 12:51 < tommorris> dtm_: it's a bit hyper. I tend to find zen-like calmness is the way to get things done in wikiworld 12:51 < dtm_> if this was a corporate customer service line, i would have this person's management undergo a training issue right now 12:51 < dtm_> tommorris: yes that's exactly what i did 12:51 < dtm_> i calmly thought it all through for him and told him exactly what needs to happen 12:51 < Qcoder00> "Welcome to Wikimedia OTRS, Please be warae that your rants may be recorded for training purposes." 12:52 < Qcoder00> *aware 12:52 < dtm_> Qcoder00: lol 12:52 < Qcoder00> I've had to listen to them MANY times when ringing firms... 12:52 < tommorris> Qcoder00: you joke, but I have passed suitably bonkers ticket IDs on as training for some new OTRS agents. 12:53 < Qcoder00> agents? 12:53 < Qcoder00> ;) 12:53 < dtm_> :-o 12:53 * Qcoder00 suddnely has visions of loads of identical OTRS clones in cubicles... 12:53 < tommorris> Qcoder00: obviously. MI6 trained. License to kill. Shaken not stirred. 12:53 < Qcoder00> "How may I help you? How I may help you?" 12:54 < dtm_> tommorris: i can't imagine how you could think that purely logical, didactic discourse could be considered hyperactive <3 12:54 < Qcoder00> tommorris: Actually , has MI6 ever edited Wikipedia? 12:54 < Qcoder00> XD 12:54 < Qcoder00> Or can't we be told that :) 12:54 < tommorris> At Wikimania each year, there is a secret black tie gathering of OTRS agents where we distribute all the secret materials for the next year. then smoke cigars and play blackjack. 12:54 < dtm_> he's obstinately coerced me to get more explicitly verbose, unfortunately. 12:55 < dtm_> tommorris: do you have games of "spot the fed"? 12:55 < Qcoder00> tommorris: Don't forget the Kitten ritual 12:55 < Qcoder00> ? 12:55 < shimgray> tommorris is lying, of course 12:55 < tommorris> Qcoder00: if they have, they are more clever than your average PR agency or Parliamentarian and might actually register a damn account. 12:55 < dtm_> maybe the normal wikipedians need to spot the otrs fed-wannabes 12:55 < shimgray> the secret gathering is informal. the black-tie one is what we let people know about 12:55 < shimgray> ...oh, bugger 12:55 < dtm_> :-o 12:56 < Qcoder00> shimgray: Ah yes , but you have a Tyler to keep people out the realy secret meetings, in which people iniated into the Mysteries of the Sole Architect :) 12:56 < Qcoder00> *are 12:56 < tommorris> shimgray: hush, or next year, you'll end up being Miss Moneypenny. 12:56 -!- juliancolton [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:56 < Qcoder00> black tie event? 12:57 < Qcoder00> What do the girls wear? 12:57 < shimgray> you say that, but it's clear who always ran that operation 12:57 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 12:57 < Qcoder00> Surely you don't expect full evening wear? 12:57 < tommorris> Qcoder00: evening gowns. 12:57 < tommorris> Qcoder00: also, given there are no girls on Wikipedia, that's never really been an issue. 12:57 < Qcoder00> Huh 12:57 < Qcoder00> There are plenty of 'women' on Wikipedia! 12:58 < tommorris> Your terminology, honey. 12:58 < dtm_> :-o 13:00 -!- addshore is now known as addhorse 13:00 -!- addhorse is now known as addshore 13:01 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01 -!- Carly|away is now known as Carly 13:02 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile [~LtNOWIS@mb05736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:02 < Qcoder00> tommorris: I meant real as well as 'actresses' XD 13:02 < dtm_> tommorris: the fact that wikimedia polices the content like this is, in itself, an unnecessary legal problem. this means they're not a common carrier; they are a global censor. 13:03 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:03 < dtm_> tommorris: community access TV stations don't do this, for just that reason 13:03 < Carly> hi :) 13:03 < dtm_> they can't be held responsible and liable for the content. this whole debacle is their needlessly proactive assertion that they *are*. 13:04 < dtm_> this is what one would call a really really bad idea 13:04 < dtm_> Carly: hi! 13:04 < dtm_> Carly: and hola. 13:04 < Carly> what's up? 13:04 < tommorris> dtm_: actually, legally, not the case. OTRS is community run. 13:04 < dtm_> tommorris: please make a note to include that in your comments 13:05 < dtm_> tommorris: what's that meant to mean? 13:05 < tommorris> the Foundation's Section 230 protection is not in danger because you email OTRS and an admin does something dickish 13:06 < dtm_> you're saying that an email footer disclaimer cancels out any legal consequences of actively upheld policies of which the wikimedia foundation is aware? 13:06 < tommorris> OTRS is staffed by volunteers and administered by volunteers 13:06 * Carly bored 13:06 < dtm_> Carly: you gave up, huh? 13:06 -!- Sarrus [~Sarrus@wikipedia/Sarrus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:06 < tommorris> the email footer disclaimer doesn't cancel it out. the email footer actively reflecting the reality of how OTRS operates is what matters. ;) 13:07 < Carly> dtm_ give up? what are you talking about? 13:07 < dtm_> Carly: :-I 13:07 < Carly> dtm_ ? 13:08 < Qcoder00> tommorris: Have you been following the row about porn sites in the UK? 13:08 < dtm_> tommorris: so legal culpability doesn't exist, because they don't want it to. okay. 13:09 < dtm_> Carly: you and i have been having a conversation for three days. 13:09 < Carly> dtm_ we? a talk? for three days? when? 13:09 < tommorris> dtm_: what legal culpability are you referring to exactly? there is legal culpability *for the volunteers*, not for the Foundation 13:09 < Carly> ??? 13:10 -!- contempt [contempt@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:10 < tommorris> dtm_: same as it currently is with Wikipedia. if I go on to a BLP and slander that person, they can sue me, but not the Foundation. 13:10 < Qcoder00> Erm 13:10 < Ironholds> they can sue the foundation 13:10 < dtm_> tommorris: yeah, because you wouldn't be acting under actively published and upheld policy, of which the organization is inherently aware. 13:10 < Ironholds> we'll just laugh at them and blow raspberries 13:11 -!- Lacon432 [62c3a681@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.195.166.129] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:11 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:11 < Qcoder00> Actually does Wikipedia constitute a 'publisher'? 13:11 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: for UK purposes, yes. 13:11 < Ironholds> UK purposes can bite us. 13:11 < dtm_> Qcoder00: that'd be determined in court if nothing else! 13:11 < tommorris> dtm_: actually, I might be. I know the BLP policy pretty well, and I'm sure I could find something that is both libel in my country (UK) but not a BLP violation 13:11 < Ironholds> dtm_: er, more precisely, the organisation does not write, operate and enforce guidance, pre-screen contributions, that sort of thing. 13:11 < tommorris> maybe libelling a company 13:11 * Carly sighs... 13:12 < Ironholds> edit count is an int. Excellent. 13:12 -!- contempt [contempt@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:12 < dtm_> Ironholds: yeah but they're aware of it, and it's all done explicitly using their resources. 13:12 < Ironholds> dtm_: aware of what? 13:12 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12 < dtm_> Ironholds: aware of the policy 13:13 < Ironholds> yes, but that's irrelevant. 13:13 < dtm_> wellp. says you ;) 13:13 < Ironholds> by that standard the WMF would have been sued into the ground /already/ 13:13 < Qcoder00> So someone editing the article of Sir Toryslime to point out his 'unproven' involvment in an illegal arms deal could get the WMF into trouble then? 13:13 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: not in the slightest. 13:13 < dtm_> these are things we don't want to test in court 13:13 < Ironholds> the only possible way the WMF could become liable was if we were explicitly and officially informed of the libel, and kept it there. 13:13 < Ironholds> dtm_: we did test it in court. 13:13 < Ironholds> we won. 13:13 < dtm_> oic 13:14 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:14 < dtm_> Ks0stm: hi 13:14 < Lacon432> Hello? 13:14 < SigmaWP> oh, hi Ironholds 13:14 < Ironholds> dtm_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-07-07/Defamation_suit_dismissed 13:14 < Ironholds> hey SigmaWP 13:14 * tommorris is generally rather confident in the abilities of Wikimedia legal, although he has managed to outsmart them once. ;) 13:14 < dtm_> Ironholds: like i said, that's categorically different but ya know, whatever 13:15 < Ironholds> dtm_: I may have missed the start of the conversation :) 13:15 < Ironholds> *scrolls* 13:15 < Lacon432> I need help for a copyright tag for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ASongAcrossWires.jpg 13:15 < tommorris> Ironholds: we were discussing whether OTRS Commons dickeryishness would threaten common carrier status for Commons 13:15 < tommorris> which seems a stretch 13:16 < Ironholds> you mean: volunteers who don't represent us and aren't appointed by us and aren't run by us? yeah, no. 13:16 < tommorris> Commons OTRS agents being unreasonable doesn't threaten the Foundation, it just makes Commons admins seem like dicks. 13:16 < dtm_> Ironholds: no it's what i just said to you. OTRS is an institution which holds special privilege explicitly granted by WMF, explicitly using almost exclusively WMF's resources, acting under policies explicitly published and known by the WMF. this is not a libelous passerby or an individual. 13:16 < Ironholds> Seriously, I'm not even sure if we have any staffers who are admins on OTRS-wiki. 13:16 < Ironholds> dtm_: what policies, and how? 13:16 < Ironholds> we set up the software. the institution is self-governing. 13:16 < dtm_> Ironholds: the policies about how to manipulate content and challenge copyright and such 13:16 < Ironholds> we have official content manipulation policies now? 13:17 < dtm_> it can be self-governing but it isn't self-hosting 13:17 < Ironholds> last time I checked the only WMF-mandated copyright-related policy was the fair use rules. 13:17 < tommorris> dtm_: nope, OTRS is managed independently by OTRS admins. the policies it enforces are on-wiki policies decided by, say, Wikipedia and Commons 13:17 < shimgray> dtm_, couldn't you say the same about Commons, though? the admins hold special privileges granted by WMF (delete, block), using WMF resources (the site), policies known to the WMF (copyright, etc) 13:17 < tommorris> dtm_: "self-governing but it isn't self-hosting" covers... all the Wikimedia projects. 13:17 < Ironholds> and, for that matter....almost all websites, ever. 13:17 -!- user2534958999 [46b3a1e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.179.161.230] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:17 < Ironholds> heck, I doubt HuffPo has a sever room staffed with bearded sysadmins 13:17 < Ironholds> *server 13:17 < dtm_> okay well i'm just airing my concerns and i'm listening, so oh well 13:18 < Ironholds> dtm_: in regards to my above link; self-governing but not self-hosting, as said, applies to all projects 13:18 < Ironholds> if that was a factor in Section 230 evaluations the case wouldn't have been dismissed, I suspect :) 13:18 < shimgray> I will agree that large amounts of WP/Commons users are, by their irritatingness, an indirect threat to the site's continued existence :-) 13:18 < mareklug> dtm your much maligne iCab is working wonderfully in tandem with Stuffit 7.03 as far as getting stuff safely over ftp and unpacking it, no tar, macgzip, zip, gunzip or binhex needed. 13:18 < dtm_> shimgray: lololol 13:18 < tommorris> dtm_: the analogy here is suggesting that a grand constitutional issue exists because some beat cops are being dicks. 13:18 -!- Lacon432 [62c3a681@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.195.166.129] has left #wikipedia-en [] 13:18 < dtm_> mareklug: vaaaaantastic 13:19 < dtm_> tommorris: i suppose i'm still unclear as to whether they're just being jerks or whether they're following an official policy which is stupid! lol 13:19 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:19 < dtm_> tommorris: i await his response 13:19 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has quit [Changing host] 13:19 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:19 < tommorris> dtm_: either way, fixable through local consensus. 13:20 < dtm_> tommorris: is there no escalation process per ticket? can't i say "please let me speak to your manager" ;) or to another peer 13:20 < dtm_> mareklug: and is it all pretty fast? 13:20 < shimgray> there's no handling-levels in OTRS, so no escalation 13:20 < shimgray> (though I know of cases where it's been "escalated" by the responder, to try and defuse a clash) 13:21 < mareklug> dtm one thing that is incredibly swift is the booting/rebooting. i mean, it is amazing, liek 3 secones 13:21 < dtm_> shimgray: so it's all one-on-one? one outside user per one inside user, per ticket? 13:21 < tommorris> dtm_: nope. you can go and find another OTRS agent and say "could you give me a second opinion" 13:21 < mareklug> secondes 13:21 < dtm_> mareklug: whoa. 13:21 < mareklug> seconds 13:21 < dtm_> tommorris: and how would i do that in OTRS's process? do you just mean i go scavenging, like i did? or is there a web site for that? 13:21 < shimgray> dtm_, generally speaking, one person picks up the ticket and handles it from then on, unless they give up and/or hand it over to someone else 13:22 < tommorris> dtm_: nope. most OTRS cases don't require it. 13:22 < dtm_> tommorris: probably not. 13:22 < Qcoder00> shimgray, Ironholds: Did you see the posting at VP about a presumption to delete images of kids? 13:22 < shimgray> one ticket doesn't always map to one correspondent, but we try and keep them together as otherwise it gets too confusing for everyone 13:22 < dtm_> it's probably either pretty simple, or the public user gives up. 13:22 < tommorris> that said, if I were to get an OTRS ticket where someone repeatedly demonstrated their unhappiness wiht my response, I'd probably nudge another OTRS agent to take it over 13:22 < Qcoder00> My inital proposal that there should be a presumption to delete images of people not of majority age without a release got resolutrely trashed as expected... 13:22 < dtm_> tommorris: we have a blatantly sad panda here. 13:22 < shimgray> (interestingly, if you write to us on the same ticket # three years later, you'll probably get the same person) 13:23 -!- Son_Gohan [~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23 < Qcoder00> However some other issues got raised, and your feedback would be appreciated 13:23 -!- Carly is now known as Carly|away 13:24 < dtm_> shimgray: dedication. 13:24 < dtm_> Qcoder00: weird. 13:24 < shimgray> dtm_, more the way our notifications work :-) 13:24 < tommorris> dtm_: not really. it's more that the ticket gets assigned to you unless you explicitly detach it 13:24 < Qcoder00> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Policy_Change_.28Images_of_minors.29 13:24 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 13:24 < Qcoder00> Feeback wanted 13:25 < dtm_> tommorris: one volunteer for three years is dedication 13:25 < Qcoder00> I don't mind what opinions you hold 13:25 < shimgray> dtm_, I've been handling OTRS since Jan 06 (albeit not very much over the past year) 13:25 < dtm_> shimgray: well done 13:25 -!- thineantiquepen is now known as TAP|away 13:25 < shimgray> for some reason, we seem to get the long-running users 13:26 -!- Carly|away [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has quit [Quit: Carly|away] 13:26 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:26 < dtm_> shimgray: you have to be half nuts, just to start 13:26 < dtm_> so. i wanna try it. 13:27 < shimgray> Qcoder00, my initial reaction would be "what's the point of having this policy on enwp, not Commons?" 13:27 < GorillaWarfare> What, OTRS? 13:27 < Qcoder00> shimgray 13:27 < Qcoder00> Well I was considering that 13:27 < Qcoder00> Or Meta 13:29 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:29 -!- Theo10011 [~Theo10011@wikimedia/Theo10011] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:30 -!- Theo10011 [~Theo10011@wikimedia/Theo10011] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:30 -!- lbenedix [~lbenedix@g225045218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:30 < shimgray> having an image-focused policy on en, where that policy focuses on uploading rather than use, is not going to achieve much 13:31 -!- Carly [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:32 -!- Son_Gohan [~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:33 < darev> n8 13:33 -!- darev [~darev@p54AA84E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 13:34 < tommorris> shimgray: lies. German Wikiquote instituted a "no pictures of badgers" policy a few years ago. nobody has yet attempted to upload a picture of a badger. must work. 13:34 < Ironholds> what 13:34 < shimgray> if that is not true, I am relying on you to make it so 13:34 < dtm_> :-o 13:35 * tommorris smirks generally in Ironholds' direction. 13:36 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:36 < Ironholds> shimgray: by foundation mandate? I don't even have +staff 13:39 -!- user2534958999 [46b3a1e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.179.161.230] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:40 < IDoH> Oh, look. We're using Voxelbot again. 13:44 < dtm_> do we like voxelbot? 13:45 < IDoH> We used CBNG for a bit. We don't trust Voxelbot to report vandalism. 13:46 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 13:46 -!- ragesoss_ [~quassel@pool-74-98-210-132.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:46 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 13:46 -!- Theo10011 [~Theo10011@wikimedia/Theo10011] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:48 < IDoH> Well, report the LEVEL of vandalism 13:49 -!- Jeske_Couriano_ [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:50 < dtm_> IDoH: from my personal perspective, cluebot seems to kick a fair amount of patootie. 13:51 < IDoH> dtm_: Same here. 13:51 < dtm_> and a930913 is a CVU animal 13:51 < IDoH> You think CBNG can be used to assess the level of vandalism, thouhg. 13:51 < dtm_> i can smell what he's got a-cookin' 13:51 < IDoH> Am I a CVU animal? ;-) 13:51 < dtm_> i dont know! i guess so! maybe i forgot! 13:51 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:51 * dtm_ pats IDoH 13:51 -!- Jeske_Couriano_ is now known as Jeske_Couriano 13:51 < Carly> can someone help me?" 13:51 < dtm_> you can be an animal too <3 13:51 < IDoH> Ha! Ha ha! 13:52 < Carly> ? 13:52 < dtm_> Carly: aren't you beyond help though? <3 <3 <3 what's up 13:52 < tommorris> is Cluebot NG off again? I thought all that drama had been resolved 13:52 < IDoH> I'm a CVU animal? 13:52 < dtm_> IDoH: do you wanna be? 13:52 < Carly> I need help but in pm. 13:52 < IDoH> I mean, I'm a CVU horse/ 13:52 < IDoH> tommorris: It's kicking vandals' rear just fine. :-) 13:52 < dtm_> IDoH: not just any animal, naturally 13:53 < dtm_> the next step is to have bots writing wikipedia, please 13:53 < dtm_> who's working on that? 13:53 < IDoH> dtm_: Impossible! 13:53 < dtm_> let's get a task force up 13:54 < dtm_> It is time. 13:54 < dtm_> IDoH: we HAVE the TECHMOLOGIE! 13:54 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Client Quit] 13:54 < IDoH> dtm_: {{cn}} 13:55 < dtm_> oic 13:56 < dtm_> patent pending 13:56 < Bradford> David_Stevenson: feo 13:56 < dtm_> Qcoder00: did you say that you were the one who proposed the policy change about images of minors? if so, you DID open a can of worms 13:56 < dtm_> "the policy proposal is meaningless (not even "flawed")" n i c e 13:57 < dtm_> insane vaguery 13:58 < Bradford> David_Stevenson: "carly no te ama porque erez feo" 13:59 < Bradford> David_Stevenson: carly does not love you because you're ugly 13:59 < IDoH> Does SineBot have my talk page on /ignore? 14:00 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 14:01 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:02 -!- osxdude_ [~osxdude@adsl-99-135-94-132.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:02 -!- osxdude_ [~osxdude@adsl-99-135-94-132.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:02 -!- osxdude_ [~osxdude@unaffiliated/osxdude] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:02 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:03 < dtm_> tommorris: what you have terms "dickishness" has escalated. 14:04 < dtm_> he's going for the prize. 14:04 -!- osxdude__ [~osxdude@adsl-99-135-94-132.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:05 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:05 -!- BobTheWikipedian [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Bob-the-Wikipedian] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:05 < BobTheWikipedian> ahoy there 14:05 < Qcoder00> dtm_:Yes I suggested Wikipedia shuld preumse to delete certain images... 14:06 < BobTheWikipedian> as always, i come here seeking knowledge 14:06 < dtm_> tommorris: http://pastebin.com/zcXxjGLb 14:06 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:06 < Qcoder00> The responses have once again confirmed the response I expected to get :) 14:06 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: and therefore, you are most heartily welcomed and well met 14:06 < BobTheWikipedian> ah good 14:07 < dtm_> Qcoder00: and so have you learned why you necessarily got that response, and thus to not abuse the community as such anymore? ^_^ 14:07 < Qcoder00> I put forward a proposal 14:07 < dtm_> Qcoder00: did you ever end up thinking your proposal through, and totally rewriting it? 14:07 < BobTheWikipedian> i am strongly considering switching from my $40/mo plan with verizon to a $20/mo plan with republic...but what concerns me is my home is right in the middle of an "off-network roaming" area 14:07 < dtm_> did you see how utterly impossible it is 14:07 < Qcoder00> I put in a more narrowly worded version later in the thread... 14:07 < dtm_> Qcoder00: okay i didn't read the whole thing. i read quite a bit! 14:08 < Qcoder00> dtm_: If you are saying it would be unworkable that's reasonable, but I'd appreciate you saying so in the thread... 14:08 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:08 < dtm_> Qcoder00: well, i'll have you know that the only reason i read the issue was to credit your good natured volunteerism, intending to contribute in the thread if i could. 14:09 < dtm_> Qcoder00: so maybe i'll do that if i read more 14:09 < BobTheWikipedian> so my question for all those who might know is how that would affect my calls 14:09 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:09 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: so, do you know how impossible that is to answer? 14:10 < BobTheWikipedian> no 14:10 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: {{See also|how long is a piece of string?}} 14:10 < BobTheWikipedian> lol 14:10 < dtm_> it's pretty long. unless it's not. or something. 14:10 < BobTheWikipedian> what factors should i include then 14:11 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:11 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:11 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:12 < dtm_> you should include a comprehensive professional topological survey of the company's network 14:12 < dtm_> you forgot that part 14:12 < BobTheWikipedian> well they use the sprint network 14:13 -!- JKL1234- [AlmostLive@pear.bnc4free.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:14 < BobTheWikipedian> printing the screen and uploading... 14:14 < dtm_> :-o 14:15 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 14:15 -!- Adminsux [b8170939@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.23.9.57] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:15 < BobTheWikipedian> http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4964/91696982.png 14:16 < BobTheWikipedian> scale is included 14:16 -!- Adminsux is now known as newnick 14:16 -!- newnick is now known as Sigiheri 14:17 < BobTheWikipedian> forgot to mark my house, but it's in the middle of the rightmost light green blob 14:17 < dtm_> so. yeah. what do you want anyone to do about it? 14:17 < dtm_> are you asking whether there are signal boosting products? or what 14:17 < Sigiheri> !admin 14:17 < BobTheWikipedian> wellllll you said that would make it possible to answer the question 14:18 -!- DivT [~Umut@c83-251-213-231.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:18 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: i didn't say *that* ;) 14:18 < Sigiheri> I wish to be unblocked. 14:18 < Sigiheri> !admin 14:18 < BobTheWikipedian> no i am asking whether it would be a wise choice to go with a phone network that has my home in an "off-network roaming" area 14:18 < GorillaWarfare> Sigiheri: This is not the place to ask. Stop spamming the stalkword. 14:18 < BobTheWikipedian> sigiheri there's an unblock channel somewhere 14:18 * BobTheWikipedian looks for it 14:18 < Sigiheri> No one is there. 14:18 < GorillaWarfare> BobTheWikipedian: Xe's already joined. 14:18 < BobTheWikipedian> lol 14:18 < Guerillero> #wikipedia-en-unblock 14:18 < GorillaWarfare> And I've already declined the unblock 14:19 < addihockey10_> 14:19 < addihockey10_> hey everyone 14:19 < addihockey10_> :-) 14:19 < Sigiheri> what? 14:19 < BobTheWikipedian> well now if mommy says no, do you go ask daddy? 14:19 < GorillaWarfare> Hey addihockey10 :) 14:19 < TOS> My bad everyone 14:19 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: i might not do that, but there are products you can get for your house which will route your calls over the internet. a microcell as they call it. 14:19 < TOS> I asked him to come here 14:19 < TOS> As nobody was responding at the unblock channel 14:19 < GorillaWarfare> TOS: Yeah... don't do that :P 14:20 < Sigiheri> So this Admin, Gorrillawarfare has denied the unblock 14:20 < TOS> GorillaWarfare I believe your last decline was more than an hour ago, right? 14:20 < Sigiheri> what a waste 14:20 < BobTheWikipedian> yeah this is one of those, actually. but i wouldn't want to rely too heavily on that feature, so this is probably the wrong phone for me :P 14:20 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: they run $100-200, and they can use external antennas so that you could stick it in your attic and aim it out your window or something. 14:20 -!- tttb [~tom@host-78-149-33-2.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:20 < BobTheWikipedian> thanks dtm_ :D 14:20 < GorillaWarfare> TOS: Huh? 14:20 < BobTheWikipedian> lol 14:20 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: i mean i've seen those for AT&T so i assume they exist for other networks 14:21 < BobTheWikipedian> heh i am the starving substitute teacher with medical issues so i'll opt out of that extra expense :D 14:21 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: still, depending on your phone, one bar is good enough. i've gotten 1Mbps download on 1 bar of AT&T on an iphone 4 stuck in a window. 14:21 < IDoH> TOS, please don't ever do that again. There's a reason why there's a special channel for unblocks. If we're admins and don't go there, we don't want to deal with the disruption inevitably caused by social incompetence, bad faith, or both. If we're not admins, there's nothing we can do. 14:21 < BobTheWikipedian> eh but i use a phone mostly for voice calls 14:21 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: yeah this is one reason why people pay more for Verizon 14:22 < BobTheWikipedian> indeed. 14:22 < TOS> IDoH Ok. 14:22 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: people other than me! i have sprint. 14:22 < BobTheWikipedian> lol 14:22 < GorillaWarfare> TOS: What about the one hour ago thing? 14:22 < GorillaWarfare> TOS: I don't understand what you were asking 14:22 < BobTheWikipedian> i wonder if sprint would put up a tower if i wrote them 14:23 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: but yeah it's tough to pass up the savings of prepaid networks. also note that the prepaid provider probably only uses Sprint's core network, and not roaming partners. 14:23 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: you'd have to ask the prepaid provider 14:23 < BobTheWikipedian> oooo good point 14:23 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: i know that's the case with Virgin Mobile 14:23 < dtm_> there are a lot of variables involved. for some people, it's really worth it and for others, it's really not 14:24 -!- Wiki13 [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has quit [Quit: While there's life, there's hope.] 14:24 < a930913> IDoH: I talked to a VoxelBot owner, and we revised the levels. 14:24 < IDoH> a930913: Good :-) 14:24 < IDoH> I guess we can trust it now. 14:25 < a930913> IDoH: I still think it's often wrong and mostly retarded. 14:25 < IDoH> a930913: Please don't say "retarded". 14:25 < IDoH> But you mean Voxelbot is often wrong? 14:25 < dtm_> ... do we have a censorship blacklist? 14:25 < a930913> IDoH: I mean it in it's genuine use. 14:26 < a930913> IDoH: As in the results are slow to come out. 14:26 < BobTheWikipedian> now i have enough info to update the article on republic :D 14:26 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: well done 14:26 < IDoH> a930913: Still, please don't say "retarded" unless you are talking about a PERSON who is diagnosed as mentally retarded. 14:27 < a930913> Because due to the half hourly updates, the stats can come half an hour too late. 14:27 < BobTheWikipedian> {{cite interview|source=dtm_|date=2 Jun 13|time=21:26 UTC|channel=Freenode IRC}} 14:27 < dtm_> IDoH: that's a totally irrational thing to tell someone. that doesn't make any sense. 14:27 < dtm_> fyi 14:27 < IDoH> dtm_: What's irrational? 14:27 < dtm_> IDoH: see also: the english language 14:27 < dtm_> what you just said, start to finish 14:27 < a930913> IDoH: "Retardation is the act or result of delaying; the extent to which anything is retarded or delayed; that which retards or delays." 14:28 < dtm_> lrn2vocab 14:28 < TOS> Any real number which cannot be shown as p/q, where p and q are both integers is called irrational 14:28 < BobTheWikipedian> idoh that's where the top number is larger than the bottom 14:28 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:28 < dtm_> TOS: noted. 14:28 < Shirik> the binary form of 0.1 is irrational 14:28 < BobTheWikipedian> oops tos is right 14:28 < IDoH> dtm and a930913: "Also derogatory slang for stupid". lrn2urbandictonary. 14:29 < BobTheWikipedian> lol 14:29 < TOS> you're the cube root of two! 14:29 < a930913> IDoH: Take back the words from their slang by using them in their proper context. 14:29 < dtm_> IDoH: that's ridiculous. dont ever expect anyone to comply with such a zealously controlling abuse of language <3 14:29 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:29 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 14:29 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:30 < BobTheWikipedian> also: Irrationality is cognition without rationality. lrn2rationalwiki. 14:30 < dtm_> lrn2noturbandictionary 14:30 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: noted. 14:30 < a930913> from lrn2 import * 14:30 < dtm_> :-o 14:30 < IDoH> a930913 and dtm_ : Don't you realize that word has painful and triggering memories for many, many people, including myself? 14:30 < Qcoder00> Anyone here spare? 14:30 < Qcoder00> I was wondering if someone could help author something 14:30 < IDoH> a930913: It's beyond taking back. 14:30 < BobTheWikipedian> this no-milk-no-pork-no-corn diet is gonna starve me 14:31 < TOS> Qcoder00 Ask away 14:31 < dtm_> IDoH: dont you realize the abusive fallacy of affirmative action 14:31 < a930913> IDoH: So because others have misused the word around you, that prevents us from using it correctly? 14:31 < IDoH> a930913: Yes. It should. 14:31 < dtm_> IDoH: sorry someone else hurt you 14:31 < Qcoder00> Is it possible to have a 'desk page' for user space? 14:31 < TOS> I will never be able to look at root 2 with a clear conscience again 14:31 < Qcoder00> That puts things like Watchlist, notifcationsetc on a frame layout? 14:32 < dtm_> TOS: it's going to be okay, man. we'll all learn to heal. ...someday. 14:32 < IDoH> dtm_: I wasn't talking about affirmative action. I was talking about language. 14:32 < BobTheWikipedian> dtm_ how is the fallacy of affirmative action abusive? 14:32 < a930913> IDoH: Well that's gay. 14:32 * a930913 runs. 14:32 < dtm_> IDoH: that's the problem. talk about language. and get rational. 14:32 < Qcoder00> a930913: You write bots? 14:32 * TOS gasps 14:32 < dtm_> or at least non-counter-abusive to innocent people 14:32 < a930913> Qcoder00: Nuclear powered ones are the best. 14:32 < Qcoder00> I think there should be a WikiProject Automation 14:32 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: i just said how 14:32 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: also, it's self evident 14:33 < Qcoder00> That seeks to automate the routine tasks that don't need a human decision 14:33 * BobTheWikipedian abuses the fallacy 14:33 < IDoH> a930913: You deserve to be whaled. 14:33 < dtm_> BobTheWikipedian: the fallacy can take it! 14:33 < IDoH> a930913: And "gay" isn't unsalvageable like "retarded". 14:33 < BobTheWikipedian> abuse failed 14:33 < Qcoder00> The BRFA deals with requests but there isn't AFAIK an ongoing project to identify 'automatabl tasks' 14:33 < BobTheWikipedian> NOT TRUE! 14:34 < BobTheWikipedian> retarded is quite salvageable 14:34 < dtm_> IDoH: you are speaking total nonsense, and it's advised to abandon the attempt <3 <3 <3 14:34 < IDoH> dtm_: "Get rational"? C'mon, everyone thinks of "mental disability" when they hear "retardation". 14:34 < dtm_> no, they dont. you're not everyone. 14:34 < IDoH> dtm_: I am NOT talking total nonsense. 14:34 * BobTheWikipedian is retarded 14:34 < IDoH> dtm_: Yes, they do. 14:34 < tommorris> Dear #wikipedia-en: not wanting to be called a retarded faggot is not affirmative action, it is basic human decency. 14:34 < dtm_> poor poor BobTheWikipedian. 14:34 < IDoH> BobTheWikipedian: Stop that. 14:34 < IDoH> Thanks, tommorris 14:34 < BobTheWikipedian> i am! 14:34 < Qcoder00> I think there should be a project to identify tasks for automation, so that the backlogs that need a human decision aren't clogged up with automatable botable stuff 14:34 < Qcoder00> Thoughts? 14:34 < IDoH> No, seriously, BobTheWikipedian. I think you think it's a joke. 14:34 < tommorris> Qcoder00: is there not a Bot requests page. 14:35 < dtm_> tommorris: nobody did that. that never happened. 14:35 < BobTheWikipedian> stop what? 14:35 < Qcoder00> There is 14:35 < TOS> I think Idoh doesnt think BobTheWikipedian thinks its a joke 14:35 < Qcoder00> But it's post-active, not pre-emptive 14:35 < BobTheWikipedian> i think idoh lost me 14:35 < a930913> Let's be depressed by talking about how the word "marriage" is now unsalvageable. 14:35 < tommorris> Whatevs. Be nice, kids. ;) 14:35 < Shirik> why does Wikipedia show me Aあ in the top right hand corner? 14:35 < Shirik> Is this what it shows to everyone or is it just because I've messed around on jpwiki? 14:35 * dtm_ headbutts a930913 amicably 14:35 < Qcoder00> Personally , I think some things done regularly by bots , show up things that should be software features personally 14:35 < addihockey10_> Shirik: er, what 14:36 < BobTheWikipedian> shirik in case あ makes more sense to you 14:36 < Qcoder00> Like propogating redirected image titles 14:36 < BobTheWikipedian> in which case you should click it 14:36 * a930913 uses hydro blast on dtm_. 14:36 -!- JKL1234- [AlmostLive@pear.bnc4free.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:36 -!- JKL1234- [AlmostLive@trivialand/player/JKL1234-] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:36 < Shirik> just wondering if it shows for everyone or just certain people 14:36 < dtm_> ha douuuu ken!!! 14:36 -!- tttb [~tom@host-78-149-33-2.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Fare thee well] 14:36 < a930913> Qcoder00: Bot stuff is too per basis for general automation. 14:36 < shimgray> Shirik, is this on enwiki, commons, wikidata...? 14:36 < IDoH> I don't see it, Shirik 14:37 < Shirik> http://gyazo.com/703093d9e46017855d3129269722b0d5 14:37 < Shirik> enwiki 14:37 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:37 < Qcoder00> s930913: Hmm 14:37 < shimgray> commons + wikidata = it's the new (& fairly neat) interface language selector tool 14:37 < Qcoder00> This was about having a project to identify bot-able tasks 14:37 < Shirik> oh I lied 14:37 < Shirik> apparently I was looking at a meta page 14:37 < shimgray> enwiki = no idea, maybe you enabled something by accident? 14:37 < shimgray> aha :-) 14:37 < addihockey10_> that'd explain a lot 14:37 < addihockey10_> also 14:37 < addihockey10_> Shirik: PM? 14:37 < a930913> Qcoder00: Which probably isn't such a bad thing, otherwise bots and their owners would have taken over wikipedia long ago :p 14:38 < shimgray> yeah, langselect. play around with it, it's quite neat 14:38 < shimgray> (and easy to set back to en) 14:38 < Shirik> why is japanese not common 14:38 < a930913> Qcoder00: I don't know too much about projects tbh. 14:38 < Shirik> but is in the image 14:38 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:38 < shimgray> I think we do some geolocation for "common" 14:39 < shimgray> meta currently offers me Welsh and Gaelic, for example 14:40 < BobTheWikipedian> yeah the other day i used it to set my no-wiki language to bokmal 14:40 < BobTheWikipedian> just to see if i could do it 14:40 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Quit: mareklug] 14:40 < shimgray> ULS 14:40 < shimgray> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector 14:41 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:41 < tommorris> geolocation for language is unnecessary 14:41 < tommorris> your browser sends a nice header called Accept-Lang: 14:41 < tommorris> parse that shit and use it 14:41 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@pool-173-67-179-136.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:41 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@pool-173-67-179-136.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:41 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:41 < shimgray> yeah, assuming you know how to work that, and you've been able to set your machine settings 14:42 < tommorris> my computer knows I speak English because the UI is in English. 14:42 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:42 < shimgray> but it's good enough to make a first guess at "you're more likely to want something local" 14:42 < tommorris> there's no reason why when I'm in a Dutch hotel, pages ought to be in Dutch 14:42 -!- Sigiheri [b8170939@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.23.9.57] has left #wikipedia-en [] 14:42 < tommorris> when I've sent the server a header saying I want English 14:42 < shimgray> tommorris, no, but equally no reason we should assume all users of Dutch internet cafes should be always given Dutch 14:43 < shimgray> that said, note this isn't geolocation of the language we give you, it's of the languages we prioritise in the selector 14:43 < tommorris> ah, that's reasonable 14:43 < dtm_> tommorris: http://pastebin.com/zcXxjGLb did u c 14:43 < shimgray> if you're in Amsterdam, it's fair you're more likely to want French or German before Swahili or Malay 14:43 < Shirik> tommorris: But maybe some of us like to keep our UI in an incomprehensible language! 14:43 < BobTheWikipedian> back in 07 or so i was told by the japanese wiki that my desired username "Bob the Wikipedian" was blacklisted 14:44 < BobTheWikipedian> interestingly, it wasn't because "wikipedia" was in it 14:44 < dtm_> tommorris: i'm going to take a wikisiesta for a while today, and come back and try to read enough to join OTRS at some point 14:44 < dtm_> again. 14:44 < BobTheWikipedian> rather, because "bob" was in it 14:44 < tommorris> dtm_: "I'm just trying to be literal". Literal isn't necessarily a good thing. 14:44 < dtm_> tommorris: oic 14:45 < dtm_> tommorris: how do we *not* be literal when asking for a citation of policy? 14:45 -!- Beria [~Beria@186.212.98.69] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:45 -!- Beria [~Beria@186.212.98.69] has quit [Changing host] 14:45 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:45 < BobTheWikipedian> unified login fixed that problem, thankfully :D 14:45 < dtm_> tommorris: how are we criticizing stuff that's obviously correct? 14:45 < tommorris> literalism is a step towards fundamentalist. and fundamentalist is the first step towards standing outside soldiers funerals holding up signs saying "THANK GOD FOR PUNISHING FAG AMERICA" 14:45 < dtm_> :-I 14:45 < dtm_> rrrriiiight. 14:45 < BobTheWikipedian> um 14:46 < tommorris> ;) 14:46 < dtm_> tommorris: aaaaaand. alrighty, then! 14:46 < BobTheWikipedian> subliminal messaging? 14:46 < Shirik> BobTheWikipedian: Maybe because of Bobobo bo bobobo 14:46 < dtm_> tommorris: so like i was sayin about that wikisiesta.... *clobbers tommorris with a frying pan* sleeeeeep! 14:46 < dtm_> shhhhhhhhh!! 14:46 < BobTheWikipedian> lol shirik 14:46 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:46 < dtm_> mareklug: my gosh man, status report!!! 14:47 < dtm_> mareklug: i've been without my status on the virtual powermac and appleshare for several minutes now 14:47 < Shirik> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobobo-bo_Bo-bobo 14:47 < Shirik> For those that missed the reference 14:47 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 14:48 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Client Quit] 14:48 < dtm_> tommorris: it seems highly likely that our dear devout public volunteer has engaged his mind in power struggle mode in denial of a stack of personal mistakes. so. wikisiesta. 14:49 < BobTheWikipedian> haha 14:49 < tommorris> AGF, darling. 14:49 -!- Carly [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:51 < mareklug> Current Version: Textual 3.0.3 (Build #2014) 14:52 < mareklug> legoktm ^ 14:52 < BobTheWikipedian> i wonder if burger king will let me order my whopper on a tortilla 14:53 -!- Carly- [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:53 < mareklug> BobTheWikipedian isn't that a wrap? 14:54 < BobTheWikipedian> not if it has a beef patty 14:55 < TOS> mareklug, hey 14:58 -!- YE|NBA2k12 is now known as YE|AFK 14:58 < BobTheWikipedian> woah. office 2013 does not make the X button turn red when you hover over it 14:59 < BobTheWikipedian> it violates the look and feel of windows 8 15:00 < tommorris> Windows 8 is just a screensaver mode for Windows 7, right? ;) 15:00 < BobTheWikipedian> haha 15:00 < BobTheWikipedian> it steals your start menu, too 15:00 < GorillaWarfare> BobTheWikipedian: Steal it back! Show it who's boss! 15:01 < BobTheWikipedian> haha nah i'm trying to adapt 15:01 < BobTheWikipedian> survival of the fittest right? 15:01 * GorillaWarfare nods 15:01 -!- Migrant [~frankski@ti0095a380-0854.bb.online.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:02 < mareklug> TOS hi, Calcutta girl shopper 15:03 -!- Guest38913 [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:04 < mareklug> dtm_ things have turned dire and inexplicable. After unpacking PageMaker or rather during, the system froze (the emulator) and never ran again. Examining the content of the disk showed completely unpacked PageMaker folder on the desktop -- I have since moved it to applications folder on an off chance that it being on the desktop was unacceptably large or some cruft like that. But whatever I do, including logging out, trashing the install 15:04 < mareklug> and installing again, the thing won't run. I will try rebooting next and reinstalling fresh from zip file. 15:05 < IDoH> mareklug: You're using a Windows emulator? 15:05 < Jasper_Deng> wine, probably 15:05 < mareklug> no, I am using a Mac OS 9.04 emulator running on Intel iMac 15:06 -!- Carly- [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 15:06 < mareklug> just as I got it good and configured and populated with my main app, it won't run. 15:07 < mareklug> IDoH it is called COI, or Classic On Intel 15:07 < IDoH> Okay 15:09 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:09 -!- Carly- [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:09 -!- gry [~gry@freenode/staff/gry] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:09 < TOS> hey mareklug 15:10 < mareklug> dtm_ another thing occurred to me, as I happen to have an external firewire connected, to install on the external Mountain LIon and boot into it and see if it is any better. 15:10 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@184-8-87-188.dsl1-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:10 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@184-8-87-188.dsl1-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:10 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:11 < tommorris> I wouldn't ever want to go back to pre-OS X. 15:11 < tommorris> much as I loved the interface, the lack of pre-emptive multitasking made it fucking painful to use 15:12 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:12 -!- ragesoss [~quassel@wikimedia/ragesoss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12 -!- Demiurge1000 is now known as D1000|Away 15:13 -!- BobTheWikipedian [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Bob-the-Wikipedian] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [SeaMonkey 2.18/20130403022820]] 15:13 < jorm> i hate the ram usage profile in macs pre os-x 15:14 < mareklug> jorm btw, the ftpd mystery solved. I went back to installing "ftpd" from repository and then simply doing "ftp localhost" started the deamon, wherever it was hidden. 15:14 < jorm> well, there you go. 15:15 < jorm> i hope you disabled it immediately after using it. 15:15 < mareklug> jorm this is PPC implementation of Debian, so it is unusually crufty. For instance, simple drag and drop does not work in Thunar 15:15 < mareklug> across network 15:15 < mareklug> it says "Not implemented" lol 15:16 < tommorris> also, the way I use Macs has changed somewhat since OS X came out. now, about 40% of my time is in a terminal or Vim, 50% is in Firefox and 10% is in email. 15:16 -!- Carly- [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has quit [Quit: Carly-] 15:16 -!- Athyria is now known as Isarra 15:16 < mareklug> jorm I have a hardware outside VPN firewall, Netgear FVS388/switch/dhcp server. How about I close the port 21 to outside? 15:16 < tommorris> draggy-droppy hippy-dippy shit gone, just command line nerdery 15:16 < jorm> yeah, that would work. 15:17 < jorm> kill it at the router. 15:17 < mareklug> and it is a nice ancient router at that. 15:19 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:19 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:21 -!- addshore is now known as addsleep 15:22 < mareklug> jorm and done. such a nice web interface to the thing. "FTP, inbound, Block always, WLAN" 15:22 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 15:23 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@CPE0013f7b81f5a-CM0013f7b81f56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:23 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@CPE0013f7b81f5a-CM0013f7b81f56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:23 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:30 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Quit: mareklug] 15:30 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:33 -!- Pine [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Pine] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:34 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:34 < Qcoder00> Can anyone here recomend and English Usage guide that is out of copyright? 15:36 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36 -!- angstsATV [~exiledGDA@dsl-72-10-219-115.bbr0.cxscny.statetel.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:37 -!- angstsATV [~exiledGDA@dsl-72-10-219-115.bbr0.cxscny.statetel.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:38 -!- Zenktastic [~Zenktasti@dsl-72-10-219-115.bbr0.cxscny.statetel.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:38 -!- Zenktastic [~Zenktasti@dsl-72-10-219-115.bbr0.cxscny.statetel.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:39 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:39 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:39 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:42 -!- shimgray [~andrew@wikimedia/Shimgray] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:45 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:45 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has quit [Changing host] 15:45 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:46 < Pine> Qcoder00: are you sure you'd want one that old? 15:47 < Pine> What about MoS? 15:47 < Qcoder00> Pine: It's so I can transcribe on Wikisource at some future date 15:47 < Qcoder00> And feed stuf back into MoS 15:47 < Pine> I wouldn't want to use a guide that old as an authority for MoS 15:49 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:56 -!- Guerillero is now known as Guerillero|TF2 15:56 < GorillaWarfare> <3 Qcoder00 15:56 -!- lukas23 is now known as lukas|away 15:56 < Qcoder00> Hi GorillaWarfare - About wikisource thing 15:56 < Qcoder00> Can I have a word in the other channel>? 15:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> word... :p 15:58 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:59 < TOS> The bird is the word 16:00 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:03 -!- GorillaWarfare is now known as GW|Away 16:04 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:05 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:07 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:09 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has left #wikipedia-en [] 16:10 < mareklug> jorm I picked this up for $10 (also got a GS108 gigabit switch to go with it, but so far no power supply brick; they are working on getting me one): http://documentation.netgear.com/fvs338/enu/202-10046-03/pdfs/FullManual.pdf 16:11 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:14 -!- KTC [~KTC@wikipedia/KTC] has left #wikipedia-en ["Leaving"] 16:15 < Pine> Heh 16:16 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 16:16 < Pine> Does anyone in here have a prosumer camera BTW? 16:16 < Pine> I'd like some camera advice 16:16 < Pine> I'm thinking about a Nikon D7100 16:16 -!- Guest38913 [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug shall I panic? 16:17 < mareklug> just don't go to Instanbul. 16:19 < Pine> ToAruShiroiNeko: why would you panic? 16:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tear gas 16:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug sure but its spreading to brussels and etc too :p 16:20 < Pine> There is tear gas in Brussels? What did the European Parliament do now? 16:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not in brussels 16:20 < SigmaWP> mareklug: "Just don't go to Constantinople" fits with the tune of the song 16:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the protests in istanbul seems to be spreading internationally 16:21 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@pool-173-67-179-136.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:21 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@pool-173-67-179-136.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:21 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SigmaWP the protestors would certainly disagree 16:21 < mareklug> SigmaWP I did think of the song... 16:21 < mareklug> oddly enough 16:21 -!- Swob [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQrKZcYtqg 16:22 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug should I toss tear gas in my own garden? 16:23 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko I suggest you shed a tear. You can also pass some gas. 16:23 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:24 < mareklug> and voila, tear gas, belgian edition. 16:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm 16:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they are using brazilian tear gas tho 16:24 < mareklug> tear gas you can dance to! 16:25 < mareklug> samba pa ti 16:25 < Swob> i like how i can start reading a comment and know from the start that it's Ironholds writing because his writing style is so distinctive 16:25 < Ironholds> Swob: it is? 16:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds for Swob everything has its own style 16:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :p 16:26 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:26 < Pine> Swob: how would you describe Ironholds' style? 16:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug if you can survive it sure 16:26 * Pine is thinking of how Starbucks describes its coffees these days 16:27 < mareklug> dtm_ I got my emulator back. oddly enough, I reinstalled the original vanilla SheepFucker. And what I got instead is …the pirates' bay edition with my preserved state. The great pirate in the sky smiled on me. 16:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I am seeing a nation-wide DDoS attack btw 16:27 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28 < Pine> ToAruShiroiNeko: where? 16:28 < UnknownNinjaNN2> I was wondering if anyone was willing to discuss this subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TheUnknownNinjaNN2/sandbox 16:28 < Swob> i cant really explain it in words 16:28 < Son_Gohan> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/06/seat-of-power-the-computer-workstation-for-the-person-with-everything/ 16:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pine Turkey 16:28 -!- GW|Away is now known as GorillaWarfare 16:28 < Swob> and yeah, its not just Iron 16:28 < Swob> i can tell a lot of people just by what they write 16:29 < Pine> Swob: apply for CU, that talent will be useful 16:29 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Hello? 16:29 < Pine> UnknownNinjaNN2: what is your question about that sandbox? 16:29 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:29 -!- Firefly67 [~Firefly67@unaffiliated/firefly67] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:29 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Do you want to discuss the subject? 16:30 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Of the article. 16:30 < Pine> I'm not sure what the subject is. Are you asking how to get it approved for mainspace? 16:30 < UnknownNinjaNN2> No, I mean the game it is about. 16:31 < NotASpy> UnknownNinjaNN2: you wasted how many minutes of your life writing about that ? 16:31 < Pine> NotASpy: let's be nice :) 16:31 < Swob> hi ninja 16:31 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:31 < Pine> UnknownNinjaNN2: no thank you but Swob sounds interested. 16:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug is "Bathe in tear gas" a good tourisim slogan? 16:33 -!- Bradford is now known as Simon_ 16:34 < NotASpy> sounds OK, ToAruShiroiNeko. It's presumably a better destination than "Try recreating the Wizard of Oz in real life" which must surely by Oklahoma's slogan at the moment. 16:34 < Pine> ToAruShiroiNeko: it would attract journalists. 16:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Journalists within the country are reporting on penguins than whats happening 16:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I supopse it makes sense since people are watching it live off their windows anyways 16:35 < NotASpy> P-p-p-p-pick up a penguin. Chocolate biscuits are important, ToAruShiroiNeko 16:35 < Pine> I'm waiting for the day the AP has its own surveillance satellites. 16:38 -!- Pine [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Pine] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 16:38 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 16:38 -!- Pampler [~cryptsNVW@c-98-213-49-100.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:39 < a930913> Does anybody here know the insides of twinkle at all? 16:40 < Swob> i think its made of cream 16:41 < a930913> I'm trying to pack/send some extra variables to the warn talk page after reverting some vandalism. 16:42 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:43 -!- Pampler [~cryptsNVW@c-98-213-49-100.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:45 -!- Firefly67 [~Firefly67@unaffiliated/firefly67] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:45 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:46 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 16:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy it is easier to watch whats happening on Turkey on CNN Interational rather than CNN Turk 16:47 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:47 -!- Simon_ is now known as Bradford 16:47 -!- ScientificAlan [b839db37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.57.219.55] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:47 -!- Guest38913 is now known as LtNOWIS 16:47 < Swob> CNN has a turkish version? 16:48 < ScientificAlan> Hello people 16:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob you do not even know that? 16:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> link os on the bottom of edition.cnn.com 16:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *is 16:50 * ScientificAlan wonders if the ground will be their friend 16:50 * ScientificAlan hits the ground 16:52 < Krenair> Hi ScientificAlan 16:52 < Krenair> Re your message in #wikipedia - shouldn't that page note how the subject is notable as well? 16:52 < ScientificAlan> Oh, yeah 16:52 < ScientificAlan> It's not notable at all, from what I read 16:57 < Swob> i didntk now they had TV in Turkey 16:57 < Swob> i thought it was all camels and people in tents 16:57 < Swob> and turkeys of course 16:57 < Swob> everyone knows turkey comes from Turkey 16:59 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@50-32-11-139.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:59 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@50-32-11-139.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:59 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:59 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:00 < Swob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PolandBall.gif 17:02 -!- Jayflux [~jay_knows@unaffiliated/jayflux] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 17:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob I hope you get hit by tear gas :p 17:07 < addihockey10_> GorillaWarfare: build benchmarks http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/12fqK/benchmarks/ 17:07 < GorillaWarfare> Wooo 17:08 < mareklug> addihockey10_ ddi you get my memoserved link from 2 days ago? 17:08 < addihockey10_> mareklug: what was it again? 17:08 -!- YE|AFK is now known as YE 17:08 * addihockey10_ thinks it was a chip; 17:08 < addihockey10_> i can't remember 17:09 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:09 < mareklug> addihockey10_ $390. Has the specs of the HP monitor that I showed you for 750 -- the iMac equivalent screen (if not the ports): http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=114&cp_id=11401&cs_id=1130704&p_id=10509&seq=1&format=2 17:09 < addihockey10_> ah right. 17:10 * addihockey10_ isn't/wasn't interested in such a screen 17:10 < mareklug> this is the least expensive good monitor I know of. 17:10 < mareklug> addihockey10_ and did you see the TigerDirect Haswell sale with motherboard combos? 17:11 < addihockey10_> mareklug: yes, but i'm going with Ivy bridge. 17:11 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug so do pink cables work or did they not arrive yet 17:11 < mareklug> they are still trucking from Ontario, California. 17:11 < mareklug> http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/processInputRequest?track.x=0&track.y=0&InquiryNumber1=1zy511170390573456 17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> btw protestors captured an escavator and is chasing away police armored anti-riot vehicles 17:12 < mareklug> addihockey10_ and what is the reason for going with Ivy Bridge? cost? 17:12 -!- egoo33 [~egoo33@108-93-206-108.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:13 < addihockey10_> Haswell doesn't bring much to desktops 17:13 < addihockey10_> and i won't be upgrading until at least the new socket comes out 17:13 < Jasper_Deng> addihockey10_: it's quad-cores probably won't 17:13 -!- egoo33 [~egoo33@108-93-206-108.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 17:13 < Jasper_Deng> but it will have 8-cores 17:13 < addihockey10_> so I went with the 3770k 17:13 < Jasper_Deng> there's also hardware support for nested virtualization w/ Haswell (again, a nerdy thing that only mareklug and a few others would be interested in) 17:14 < ScientificAlan> well hello 17:14 < mareklug> addihockey10_ I think you are overlooking other great things about Haswell, including the accelerated more capable onboard video and power consumption reduction. 17:15 < Jasper_Deng> the power consumption is a bonus w/ every new Intel architecture 17:15 -!- ragesoss [~quassel@wikimedia/ragesoss] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:15 < Jasper_Deng> however, I don't think he really cares about the video, b/c he has a dedicated card anyways 17:15 < addihockey10_> we all know that intel's graphics are crap to begin with, so integrated graphics really doesn't help; 17:15 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng the smart architecture uses the onboard video and switches to the card for more intensive rendering. 17:15 < mareklug> addihockey10_ you are an idiot. 17:16 < addihockey10_> i think my graphics card is more than enough. 17:16 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: actually I have to side w/ addihockey10_ on this - onboard video sucks /when "sucks" is as relative term 17:16 * Jasper_Deng forgot the closing / 17:16 -!- egoo33 [~egoo33@108-93-206-108.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:16 -!- egoo33 [~egoo33@108-93-206-108.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 17:16 < Jasper_Deng> not something worth extra $$ IMO 17:16 < mareklug> the onboard video in Ivy Bridge is adequate to 805 of all user needs. And the new stuff is 4 times as fast. 17:17 < addihockey10_> intel's graphic's are legendary for being absolute garbage. 17:17 < mareklug> 80% 17:17 < kylu> Having integrated graphics is nice if you're having issues with your graphics card, at least. 17:17 < addihockey10_> maybe 17:17 < addihockey10_> but /me isn't spending more money for that 17:17 < Jasper_Deng> I mean, the /difference/ between Ivy Bridge and Haswell won't be /that/ noticeable, by your argument, mareklug. 17:18 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng why don't you read up on it first. 17:18 < Jasper_Deng> I've heard of much news about Haswell's integrated graphics 17:18 < Jasper_Deng> to which I just yawn 17:19 * Jasper_Deng has liked Intel CPUs longer than he has liked Windows, fwiw. 17:19 < kylu> also, non-gaming systems can use integrated graphics fine... Intel's been HD-capable since 2009 or so. 17:19 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:19 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:19 < kylu> X4kHD series. 17:20 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:20 < Jasper_Deng> the thing is, addihockey10_ is intending to game w/ it 17:20 < kylu> So, windows and watching netflix/amazon prime/hulu, maybe some angry birds and plants vs. zombies. 17:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm 17:20 * Jasper_Deng uses his graphics memory mainly to virtualize 17:20 < addihockey10_> ew 17:20 < addihockey10_> kylu: tpb 17:20 < addihockey10_> :-) 17:21 < kylu> addi: I call that "my amazon prime extended library" 17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 3 life threatening injuries :( 17:21 < kylu> though, more movie2k (yeah, I know, but it's still cached in google) than tpb lately. 17:21 < ScientificAlan> I have to go, bye 17:21 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:22 -!- ScientificAlan [b839db37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.57.219.55] has left #wikipedia-en [] 17:22 < kylu> also, second box handy for looking things up (level maps, f'instance) while gaming on first monitor. 17:22 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:23 < Jasper_Deng> Windows can do up to 64 monitors. 17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why would anyone need 64? 17:24 < kylu> 64 is enough for anybody. 17:24 < Jasper_Deng> http://www.cinemassive.com/products/video-wall/ 17:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ah! 64 bit graphics on 64 monitors <3 17:25 < Swob> i think every pixel should have its own monitor 17:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> like skyscraper art? 17:25 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> each window is a screen <3 17:26 < kylu> Need reflectorless LCD panels, then layer them for layered 3D. 17:28 < Jasper_Deng> I've been yearning for the day we had holographic monitors 17:28 < Jasper_Deng> whose resolutions would be measured with 3, not just 2, dimensions. 17:30 < addihockey10_> actually 17:30 < addihockey10_> mareklug: I'm going with haswell 17:30 < Jasper_Deng> addihockey10_: I thought you ordered everything 17:30 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:31 < addihockey10_> Jasper_Deng: 'cept for the mobo and cpu 17:31 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:31 < mareklug> addihockey10_ you are more fickle than a bride planning a wedding 17:32 < addihockey10_> mareklug: oh well 17:38 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38 < mareklug> addihockey10_ maybe you'll graduate to a 2440px-wide IPS monitor, as well 17:39 < addihockey10_> mareklug: no. 17:42 -!- Fluffernutter [~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:43 -!- dekiss [~dekiss@77.29.142.2] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:43 < dekiss> I am making website and for some sections I want to literally copy paste whole articles from wikipedia can I do this is this legal? 17:43 < dekiss> for which license I should search which license will let me copy paste whole article on my website for free? if there is such 17:43 < dekiss> I find it useless to rewrite something that whole world agreed on.. its liek reinventing the wheel, and I think wikipedia is best at such subject like mine where I am making project and I need to put a lot of information on it 17:43 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46 < Ironholds> dekiss: you can do it, but you must provide attribution and say it came from wikipedia 17:46 < Ironholds> however, you must also use a copyright license that is compatible with wikipedia's copyright license, such as the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike (CC-BY-SA) 3.0 license. 17:47 < dekiss> Ironholds yeah I would do that without requirement :) 17:47 < dekiss> ok 17:47 < mareklug> anybody remembers how to rebuild a desktop in Mac OS 9 to get the icons back? 17:47 -!- Guest24881 [~Logan@ool-4357f943.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:47 -!- Guest24881 is now known as Logan_ 17:47 < dekiss> Ironholds how you mean to ue license 17:47 < dekiss> you mean articles that I will take must have such license? 17:47 -!- Logan_ is now known as Guest5998 17:47 -!- Guest5998 [~Logan@ool-4357f943.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Killed (leguin.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 17:47 < Ironholds> dekiss: the articles that you take will have the license; all Wikipedia articles do. 17:47 < mareklug> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2344?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US 17:47 < Ironholds> But anything you write based on the Wikipedia articles must also have such a license. 17:48 -!- Guest5998 [~Logan@ool-4357f943.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:48 -!- Guest5998 is now known as Logan_ 17:48 < dekiss> Ironholds I really think Wikipedia should have some api with iframe for embeding articles in websites.. 17:48 < dekiss> something liek youtube videos 17:48 -!- Logan_ is now known as Guest36164 17:48 < dekiss> why you guys dont make such thing? 17:48 < dekiss> it will be super easy to make :) but super usefull 17:48 < dekiss> for people 17:48 < Ironholds> dekiss: we have an API that exports article text. If you mean 'why do we not do it automatically', that would be for two reasons 17:49 < dekiss> I think this is very good idea please take in mind 17:49 < Ironholds> firstly, articles are stored in wikimarkup and then converted to HTML 17:49 < Ironholds> we would have to build an API that exports the HTML. 17:49 < Ironholds> secondly, the idea of enabling people to very easily suck our bandwidth seems counterintuitive ;p. We do not allow live mirrors. 17:49 < dekiss> Ironholds ok I got it :) that with licenses I didn't uinderstood at first what you ment 17:49 < Ironholds> (let me find the explanation, hangon) 17:50 < dekiss> you are right :) 17:50 < Ironholds> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirror#Remote_loading here we are 17:50 < dekiss> well put adsense and get rich heehe 17:50 < dekiss> joke :) 17:50 < dekiss> hmm 17:50 < nas> what is the thanks thing 17:50 < Ironholds> nas: thanks is a feature that lets you send a notification to a user who has made a good edit, thanking them for said edit. 17:51 < nas> uh 17:51 < dekiss> if you ask me I will agree to see google ads on your pages but have iframe api 17:51 < dekiss> to put your articles on my website 17:51 < dekiss> :) 17:51 < nas> I accidentally clicked it 17:51 < dekiss> so that is soem balance 17:51 < nas> when I was wanting to revert. 17:51 < nas> whoops 17:51 -!- Peter-C [Peter-C@wikimedia/Peter.C] has quit [] 17:51 < Ironholds> dekiss: not really; we are morally opposed to ads on wikipedia 17:51 < Ironholds> nas: yeah, we're looking at building a two-stage process. 17:51 < dekiss> Ironholds yeah i understand it will increase your bandwidth skyhigh 17:52 < nas> oh well 17:52 < dekiss> but put google ads :) 17:52 < TParis> Dekiss: You could just page scrap it with some javascript and an ajax object. 17:52 < dekiss> put your own ads seriously 17:52 < TParis> <-- Snorts some beans 17:52 < dekiss> that will be catastrophic honestly but still 17:52 < Ironholds> dekiss: noo 17:52 < Ironholds> it's not because ads would rocket our bandwidth 17:52 < Ironholds> it's because we are morally opposed to them ;p 17:52 < dekiss> if yo uask me i woulkd agree to see adds on wikipedia but also to have iframe api and such things 17:52 < Ironholds> there's absolutely no correlation between those two features. 17:52 < dekiss> liek more updated content better features 17:53 < Ironholds> we are not not building an API that servers iframes filled with HTML because we lack money. 17:53 < dekiss> nor wikipedia is bad today its best thing in todays world if you ask me 17:53 < dekiss> cummulation of human knowledge free and open 17:53 < Ironholds> Well, strictly speaking, we are, but only in the sense of "would you like to buy us lots more datacentres" 17:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> cummulation of human knowledge never had such an API before 17:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> say whatever of 1800s, everyone agrees their API sucked! 17:54 < dekiss> <TParis> Dekiss: You could just page scrap it with some javascript and an ajax object. HAHa 17:54 < TParis> Dekiss: It's doable. 17:55 < kylu> The API wasn't so bad, it's just the search function and indexing were terrible, and the latency was horrific. 17:55 < TParis> I've got a script that scrapes a Wikinews article twice a day. 17:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu perhaps 17:55 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@184-8-87-188.dsl1-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:55 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@184-8-87-188.dsl1-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:55 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they didnt have tear gas either 17:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> gotta have tear gas 17:56 < dekiss> Ironholds my idea was this, give people iframe api, put ads, pay bandwidth with ads income 17:56 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-118-213.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:56 < dekiss> i will agree to see ads if you offer features liek this api iframe 17:56 < TParis> Dekiss: It's not a money thing. Wikipedia simply does not want to use ads, ever. 17:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis and forevermore 17:57 < TParis> Ads violate our central tendant to remain neutral and we don't feel that we can do that other than by donations only. 17:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wikipedia is a public library where advertisements have no place. 17:57 < TParis> Exactly. You don't go into a library, open a book, and get hit with a bid to spend money on page 2. 17:57 < Jasper_Deng> Even donations may sometimes get us in trouble w/ respect to neutrality (at least potentially), for large donations 17:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "What kind of an encyclopedia advertises Toyota on an article on Ford or vice versa?" 17:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "Britannica, apparently. :)" 17:58 < dekiss> I agree with you totally 17:58 < Jasper_Deng> this very IRC network operates on the very same principles 17:58 < dekiss> I was just having bad idea in my head 17:58 < dekiss> still I am for iframe api but not FOR ADS never! 17:58 < dekiss> dont put ads pls that is plain bad 17:58 < dekiss> that is what I really think 17:58 < Ironholds> okay. right. 17:58 < dekiss> but bandwidth will be the problem yes 17:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> few things gets the entire community as engaged as the suggestion of ads. 17:59 < Swob> maybe ads on a mirror/user shell could be a backup plan 17:59 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-118-213.no.no.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:59 < Swob> if the main server goes down, use the ad-supported one 17:59 < Ironholds> I'm pretty sure that I can solve our community toxicity problem in 30 seconds 17:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob yeah we had that since 2006 17:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds with tear gas? 17:59 < Swob> Ironholds is that how long it would take to lock the database? 17:59 < Ironholds> all I need to do is have Sue announce that we're going to filter all images, and replace the profane ones with ads served from facebook 17:59 < Ironholds> the resulting series of massive coronaries would totally eliminate any rude editors by totally eliminating any editors. 17:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds why from facebook 18:00 < Ironholds> FACEBOOKIFICATION 18:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds just post zynga games wherever needed 18:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "to see this penis you need to win over 9000 levels" 18:00 < dekiss> guys 18:00 < dekiss> are there paid jobs in Wikipedia? 18:01 < TParis> yes 18:01 < TParis> Ironholds has one 18:01 < Jasper_Deng> paid for by donations 18:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yes, wikimedia does have a skeliton staff 18:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> by that I dont mean that they are actual skellitons 18:01 < dekiss> I would love to work on Wikipedia 18:01 < dekiss> but I have to eat too :DD 18:01 < dekiss> hehe 18:01 < Jasper_Deng> you /do/ get to eat 18:01 < Jasper_Deng> as long as the world keeps donating to the foundaitn 18:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dekiss wikipedia jobs pay over 9000 money 18:01 < kylu> ToAruShiroiNeko: if they were paid less, they might be. 18:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu true 18:02 < Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: this is, very strictly-speaking, true. 18:02 -!- Carly [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:02 < Ironholds> kylu: we're pretty much at that level already 18:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds shhh 18:02 < dekiss> 9000 money what is this? 18:02 < Ironholds> here's how my last annual review went: 18:02 < Ironholds> "We love it! you're doing great work. Also, budgets are tight, so enjoy a 25 percent pay cut" 18:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we all know wikimedia staff works on board a stealth aircraft carrier with free sodas 18:02 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: the WMF doesn't have much money 18:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what more does one need? 18:02 -!- Jnorton7558 [whocares@cpe-66-67-52-118.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:03 < dekiss> hm 18:03 < dekiss> solution - all countries put minmal tax to all people to pay to wikipedia 18:03 < dekiss> result - 80% of people in world will aggree.. 18:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> umm, we have that in europe for intellectual property 18:03 < dekiss> why this is no real - you tell me ? 18:04 < dekiss> I see Wikipedia project should and must end up there 18:04 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: then the WMF would become affiliated with one or more governments 18:05 < dekiss> this is best thing that has happened to earth in last few hundred years 18:05 < Jasper_Deng> and that would kinda compromise our neutrality 18:05 < Ironholds> that's actually not my primary concern 18:05 < Ironholds> my primary concern is we'd do dumb shit with the money. 18:05 < Jasper_Deng> ^ 18:05 < Ironholds> you really don't want to give a tiny non-profit hundreds to thousands of millions of dollars 18:05 < dekiss> Ironholds agree 18:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wikimedia is a non-profit organization, we are staffed by the people we work for he people 18:06 < Ironholds> suddenly every single pipe dream is totally something we can afford to do. 18:06 < dekiss> its hard to decide how to spend money 18:06 < Carly> hi 18:06 < Ironholds> I much prefer, in some ways, a fiscally restricted environment, where all the ideas monkey-knife-fight it out 18:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds dumb shit like wikimania on board the ISS/ 18:06 < Ironholds> ....no, that's totally smart 18:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> <3 18:06 < Ironholds> I volunteer to be part of the organising committee 18:06 < Ironholds> by which I mean: I would like to go up there for 3 months. fact-finding expedition, obvs 18:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds youd even pay for it :p 18:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> haha! 18:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we need a wikimedia attachment on board the ISS 18:08 < dekiss> I really think that Wikipedia owner Jimmy Wales is the creator of this magic 18:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jimmy Wales doesnt own anything 18:08 < dekiss> I am 100% sure he won hardest battles in life so if you give him 10000 trilions $ that will change nothing.. 18:08 < dekiss> I am really afraid what after him.. that is real concern 18:09 * kylu wonders what would happen if TPB funded a packet-based satellite fileserver.... global filesharing that would take a launch to knock out of orbit. 18:09 < Jasper_Deng> Wikimedia's current efficiency w/ respect to money is incredible 18:09 < Jasper_Deng> and I really admire it. 18:09 < Ironholds> Jasper_Deng: most of the time we're great ;p 18:09 < dekiss> when its not about the money its just not about the money.. 18:09 < Ironholds> dekiss: he doesn't run us. 18:09 < Ironholds> he's an emeritus member of the board, that's it. 18:09 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:09 < dekiss> he is owner? 18:09 < dekiss> who is owner? 18:09 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:09 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:09 < Jasper_Deng> We operate the world's sixth-most-popular website with only 3 datacenters. 18:09 < Ironholds> we don't have an owner, we are a non-profit. 18:09 < dekiss> whoever is the owner then I see he is founder no? 18:09 < Jasper_Deng> of only a few hundred servers at the most 18:09 < Ironholds> yup. 18:09 < dekiss> sry I don;t know these thigns 18:09 < Ironholds> the executive director is sue gardner. She's neat. 18:09 < dekiss> but I know there is someone (at least one ) in charge 18:10 < dekiss> and made all possible 18:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wikimedia projects are owned by the Wikimedia foundation which is run by a board 18:10 < Ironholds> strictly-speaking, actually, the person in charge of the WMF is mindspillage (who isn't online. Damn.) 18:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ultimately we all own wikipedia 18:10 < dekiss> you know how hard choices he had to make? wikipedia is only prject that is I MEAN IN TOP 3?! worldwide and has fucking ZERO ADS 18:10 < dekiss> hah 18:10 < dekiss> that takes GUTS my friends 18:10 < dekiss> you know he had chances to make trilions $? 18:10 < dekiss> and resist that? 18:10 < dekiss> respect! 18:11 < Jasper_Deng> exactly 18:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the only hard choices we have to make is trying to decide what is netural in controversial topics 18:11 < dekiss> get on your knees before him we all should :) 18:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> than and minor syntax issues 18:11 < Ironholds> dekiss: you'd have to bend quite a way, he's a total shortarse 18:11 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: we sometimes call Jimmy Wales our "benevolent dictator" 18:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> jimmy wales didnt make all that much with his previous encyclopedia attempt 18:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the sucess of wikipedia is entirely based on its userbase 18:12 < mareklug> dtm_ partial success: PageMaker opens and is ready for work in the emulator. The speed of it opening is breathtaking as compared to a IIci or even a Powerbook 1998. But the documents unpacked in an unrecognizable way so it won't open them. Got to rework that part. 18:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds can we have Wikimedia flavored tear gas? 18:13 < Swob> i wonder what would happen if the US government proposed funding Wikipedia with, say, $200 million a year 18:13 < dekiss> my suggestion delete controversial topics 18:13 < dekiss> where its hard to be neutral 18:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dekiss sure so you are saying we should delete the article on 9/11 then 18:14 < Jasper_Deng> Wikipedia isn't a paper encyclopedia though 18:14 < dekiss> there is so many so important subject on wikipedia that subjects like these arent necessery 18:14 < kylu> graft, corruption, budget cutbacks, closure of the project when Congress initiates a 5% spending cut. 18:14 < Jasper_Deng> our goal is to assemble information 18:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah who cares about 9/11 18:14 < dekiss> don't blow your head in desk to decide what to write for lets say 9/11 18:14 < dekiss> just delete that subject 18:14 < dekiss> due to sensitive matter 18:14 < Jasper_Deng> our encyclopedia is the world's biggest by far, and not just b/c lots of editors contribute. 18:14 < dekiss> dont write about things such like this 18:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dekiss you are probably just a troll... so I am going to ignore this 18:14 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: Wikimedia is a /very/ diverse website. 18:14 < dekiss> noone needs that 18:15 < Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: alas, no. 18:15 < Jasper_Deng> /anything/ will prove controversial to /someone/, dekiss 18:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds we had a series of newbie pretenders here for a few days now 18:15 < Jasper_Deng> this is characteristic of /any/ global community like ours 18:15 < Swob> maybe dekiss is actually a wikipedia arbitrator just playing devil's advocate 18:15 < kylu> Jasper_Deng: Balut (egg) 18:15 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:15 < Swob> hi ninja 18:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds I am rather suprised at the amount of tear gas people can endure 18:16 < kylu> Would love to see a conspiracy article regarding balut. 18:16 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: I was also going to mention that, partly due to that, Wikipedia isn't censored. 18:17 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Would anyone like to discuss the game that this article is about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TheUnknownNinjaNN2/sandbox 18:17 < dekiss> I saw that you becoming like news media and encyclpedia 18:17 < dekiss> I am honestly more for encyclopedia 18:17 < jbroome> UnknownNinjaNN2: since you asked two hours ago? 18:17 < dekiss> don;t \go into poilitics and such 18:17 < dekiss> subjects like 9/11 18:17 < dekiss> go for science 18:18 < dekiss> believe in good science peopel good 18:18 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: the 9/11 attacks have also had extensive physical analysis 18:18 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 18:18 < Jasper_Deng> like, exactly why the towers fail. 18:18 < Swob> oh hey 18:19 -!- Carly [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 18:19 < Swob> i played your game Ninja 18:19 < Swob> its not really my type of game 18:19 < Swob> i prefer side scrollers 18:20 < UnknownNinjaNN2> It is not my game, but... Oh, I see nevermind. 18:20 < dekiss> hm 18:20 < dekiss> wekll just write then, what happened 18:20 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: it's important for us to be inclusive 18:20 < dekiss> and there was controversy about it 18:21 < Jasper_Deng> there's controversy, even in science, about almost everything. 18:21 -!- harej [~quassel@static-68-239-82-231.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:21 -!- harej [~quassel@static-68-239-82-231.res.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:21 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:21 < Jasper_Deng> you can't write an encyclopedia for today's world w/o including controversy. 18:21 -!- Farby [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:21 < dekiss> I love you because yo uare inclusive 18:21 < dekiss> on all subjects 18:21 < Farby> hi 18:21 < dekiss> I am just saying don't be so inclusive on subjects like 9/11 18:21 < dekiss> and such controversal subjects 18:21 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: that's simply not fair 18:21 < dekiss> so you dont go in trouble 18:22 < Jasper_Deng> what defines "controversial"? 18:22 < dekiss> and have clear consencies 18:22 < dekiss> lol I faken mispeled that 18:22 < dekiss> sry my eng is not native 18:22 < dekiss> and have clear conscience* 18:22 < Jasper_Deng> consensus, you mean? 18:23 < dekiss> people today world is strange place to live 18:23 < dekiss> and you are right 18:23 < dekiss> you cant ignore that 18:23 -!- poko [~poko@173.85.192.55] has quit [] 18:24 < dekiss> well I mean don't mention any personal opinions on what happened on 9/11 18:24 < dekiss> just say a lot of people think us did it 18:24 < dekiss> :S 18:25 < dekiss> just say .. the truth! 18:25 < dekiss> and yo uwill win 18:25 < Jasper_Deng> you won't ever see a history textbook w/o quotes 18:25 < dekiss> on personal and all level 18:25 < dekiss> folow your heart say the truth 18:25 < dekiss> .. 18:25 < dekiss> then say the faken truth 18:25 < dekiss> say what you think 18:25 < dekiss> or dont say anything man 18:26 < dekiss> coz peopel lost lifes there.. 18:26 < dekiss> we must respect that 18:26 < dekiss> I am amd I wasn't borned 2000 years in future.. 18:27 < dekiss> mad* 18:27 -!- DaveDial [~AmHack99@76-248-201-50.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:27 < dekiss> we deserve to live in better society 18:27 < dekiss> as people 18:27 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:27 < nsh> speak for yourself 18:27 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: again, though, this simply can't happen in today's world. 18:28 < dekiss> nsh I live in pretty much ideal world 18:28 < dekiss> coz I made it 18:28 < Jasper_Deng> lol 18:29 < dekiss> on local level i mean 18:29 < SigmaWP> dekiss: The world is shitty in South America 18:29 < SigmaWP> I think that's a bug? 18:29 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:29 < SigmaWP> Anyway, fix it please 18:29 -!- DaveDial [~AmHack99@76-248-201-50.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:29 < Farby> stop talking about South America 18:29 < dekiss> i think today's world is far far behind what we deserve to get an ideal world 18:29 < Farby> :| 18:30 < SigmaWP> Public rapes in Brazil? 18:30 < SigmaWP> Eh 18:30 < dekiss> capitalism.. 18:30 < dekiss> whats next? 18:30 < dekiss> what you think 18:30 < dekiss> coz this cant be much good 18:31 < mareklug> Chicago is punishing the Kings 4-0 in second period of game 2 (Chicago won game one) 18:32 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: an "ideal" world means different things to different people. 18:32 < Jasper_Deng> This is why we have politics. 18:32 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:32 < dekiss> Jasper_Deng yo uare totally right 18:32 < Jasper_Deng> and this is why we have controversies and terrorism. 18:32 < dekiss> yep 18:32 < Jasper_Deng> Wikimedia must serve all of the world. 18:32 < dekiss> and everything.. bad 18:34 < dekiss> I am dieing to know where humanity will go in next 1000-2000 years 18:35 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:35 < dekiss> all people agree on one world government then someone eventually will get power wh is evil enough and will enslave the world and eventually put an end pf the world? 18:35 < mareklug> still 4-0. should have been 5-0 as it hit the goal post on a breakaway 18:35 < dtm_> < kylu> 64 is enough for anybody. <-- well done. 18:38 < dtm_> tommorris: regarding pre-10 Mac OS, i agree but i'd sure totally love me a rainbow Apple menu and platinum dressings. and window shade. WHY?? WHY, COWARDS, WHYYYY 18:38 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dekiss the onlyhting everyone agrees is that people never agree on anything. 18:38 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:38 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> protests will enter day 7 tomorow... 18:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> woha 18:39 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: in Turkey? :( 18:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yes 18:40 * Farby 18:40 < dtm_> dekiss: that's basically the story of the antichrist, culminating in armageddon, as foretold by the prophet Daniel 18:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 1000 more arrests seems to be the case 18:40 < dtm_> for whom I am named. 18:40 -!- josue [~canaima@186.94.9.191] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dtm_ do you prophicise end of times? 18:40 * Farby prays for Israel 18:41 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: i personally just have periodic dreams about it ^_^ in various forms 18:41 < dtm_> once, it was an avalanche. dodging seriously huge boulders, like q-bert. 18:41 < mareklug> 4-1 18:42 < dekiss> man I would love to work for such project take minimal wage and talk to such people -_- 18:42 < dekiss> if place available pls msg me 18:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dtm_ any tear gas? 18:42 < dekiss> I can even clean editor's monitors too :)))) heheh 18:42 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: i haven't forseen that yet! 18:42 < dtm_> dekiss: will do! 18:43 < dtm_> aye aye, cap'n 18:43 < dekiss> I have bad feelings about Turkey protests 18:43 < dekiss> IM close to turkey :S 18:43 < dtm_> dekiss: what country are you in? 18:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dtm_ so your future sight is no better than an 8ball globe? :p 18:43 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:43 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:43 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: 8-balls are pretty pessimistic, right? yeah i think so ;) 18:44 < dtm_> i got a prophetic attitude problem 18:44 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:44 < dtm_> it's a bum rap! 18:44 < dtm_> SPOILER ALERT: GOD WINS 18:44 < dtm_> so. 18:44 < dekiss> well dtm 18:45 < dekiss> religion should be one of your main lifelong subject for thinking on 18:45 < dekiss> ;) 18:45 < dekiss> big beng also 18:45 < dekiss> math and phpysics laws 18:45 < dtm_> dekiss: yeah. 18:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> umm 18:45 < dekiss> if you are man 18:45 < dekiss> if yeah then tell me dtm_ 18:45 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@CPE0013f7b81f5a-CM0013f7b81f56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:45 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@CPE0013f7b81f5a-CM0013f7b81f56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:45 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:45 < dekiss> you believe in god? 18:46 < dtm_> "The question of whether Wikipedia should have an article on itself has been raised many times before, and the answer is definitely yes." -- [[Talk:Wikipedia]] 18:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> God is a controversial topic 18:46 < dtm_> lol 18:46 < dtm_> dekiss: yeah. 18:46 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: yeah. 18:46 < dekiss> haha I saw wikipedia has article on itself that pwns 18:46 < dekiss> was very good job :) 18:46 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: do we have a template for that 18:46 < Farby> yes,I do 18:46 < dtm_> dekiss: pwn indeed! 18:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dtm_ {{NPOV}} ? 18:46 < dekiss> hm 18:46 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: could be! 18:46 < dekiss> ok 18:46 < TParis> The real question should be: Should Wikipedians edit the Wikipedia article? 18:46 < dekiss> i have some questions then 18:46 < dtm_> TParis: :-o 18:46 < dekiss> if you dont mind :) 18:47 < dtm_> dekiss: okay. 18:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dtm_ I have two seperate satelite feeds 18:47 < dekiss> ok 18:47 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: wow. for what? 18:47 < dekiss> whats your religion? 18:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> for the protests 18:47 < dtm_> dekiss: nondenominational Christian 18:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> as in I am watching them 18:47 < Farby> I trust on Christ 18:47 -!- Guest36164 [~Logan@ool-4357f943.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:47 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: wow. what country are you in? 18:47 < dekiss> ok 18:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> One is on USStream other opn rt.com 18:47 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-96-224-16-199.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:47 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: what's your particular interest in Turkey? it sounds like your interest is supremely intense. 18:47 < dekiss> dtm_ if you were born muslim would you believe in alah or will turn to Christianity? 18:48 -!- Adrianzo [~androirc@190.207.6.79] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dtm_ I am interested in oklohoma when there is a tornado there 18:48 < Swob> turkey is delicious with wraps and caesar dressing 18:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am interested in Turkey if tear gasses are flung there 18:48 < dtm_> dekiss: hmm! well, they were originally the same, but then i would have to supercede with Christianity 18:48 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: you are a true citizen of the world 18:49 < dekiss> what was before god made first man and woman? 18:49 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: but still, watching satellite tv all day about other parts of the world, is commendably intense. 18:49 < IDoH> God didn't exist then 18:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I also have kfor stream on my computer for about 2 weeks now 18:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont only watch it 18:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a tab on my computer 18:49 -!- josue [~canaima@186.94.9.191] has left #wikipedia-en [] 18:49 < dekiss> IDoH what existed then? 18:50 < dtm_> dekiss: most people don't comprehend an existence outside of time. i'm not sure that I do, but i comprehend that it's possible. many people fail to believe in God simply because they fail to comprehend existence outside of time. 18:50 < dtm_> so they childishly confabulate that there is some kind of paradox when there isn't. 18:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dtm_ they havent watched DSN clearly 18:50 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: what's DSN 18:50 < IDoH> dekiss: We're not sure what was here before man and woman, but God didn't exist then. 18:51 < dekiss> dtm_ existense out of time that might answer my deepest question thanks man.. 18:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Deep Space Nine 18:51 < dtm_> dekiss: yes. it's intense stuff. 18:51 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: <3 18:51 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: you speak truth 18:51 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: the way of the prophets, who smile upon yew 18:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> time is a controversial topic 18:51 -!- FastLizard4|zZzZ is now known as FastLizard4 18:51 < dtm_> time is hard. 18:51 < dtm_> hard time. 18:51 < dekiss> dtm_ have you read brief history of time? 18:52 < dtm_> dekiss: i have seen the movie long long ago 18:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> acceleration, velocity, mass all affect how time proceeds 18:52 < dtm_> in about 1998 18:52 < dekiss> taht book made me think for like 15 years 18:52 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: yeah that's about all i can understand lol 18:52 < dtm_> see i'm somewhat good at meta-understanding. 18:52 < dtm_> i'm super ultra mega meta. 18:52 < dtm_> i dont even know physics, really, and i dont know what calculus is. 18:52 < dtm_> i haven't read enough wikipedia and ELI5 yet 18:53 < dtm_> but, everything i ever needed to know is, in fact, on wikipedia. 18:53 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:53 < dtm_> i do know that. 18:53 < dekiss> dtm_ whats your educatioin? 18:53 < kylu> calculus is essentially determining the area under a curve or tangent of a curve. 18:53 < dtm_> dekiss: i am a career dropout autodidact, aka a model wikipedian 18:53 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53 < kylu> personally I prefer matrix math. 18:53 < dtm_> kylu: that sounds technical. 18:53 < dekiss> dtm_ have university? 18:54 < dekiss> I mean have you specialized in some study ? 18:54 < dtm_> dekiss: i got a high school equivalency (with top scores), and i had two years at a university. 18:54 < kylu> you've done geometry, right? 18:54 < dekiss> something specific? 18:54 < dtm_> dekiss: i was moving toward computer science. 18:54 < dtm_> kylu: i did 10th grade geometry. one class. 18:54 < dtm_> well and i did math 101. 18:54 < kylu> so, you graph an equation and end up with a nifty curve of some sort... 18:54 < dekiss> ok thanks 18:54 < dtm_> my high school was abominable 18:54 < kylu> you can use that to determine the area under the curve, to start with. 18:54 < dtm_> kylu: yeah i used to write graphing utilities in BASIC and Turbo Pascal 18:55 < dekiss> you know 18:55 < dekiss> I start with 18:55 < dtm_> i wrote BASIC apps to check my algebra homework. i really like algebra. 18:55 < dekiss> why there is gravity 18:55 < dtm_> cool. 18:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Al-Gebra? 18:55 < Jasper_Deng> dtm_: you'd like calculus even better 18:55 < dekiss> if gravity force put bodies one from another instead pulling them one to eachother there would be no mass.. 18:55 < dtm_> my physics education began with Bill Cosby's record, "why is there air?" 18:55 < dekiss> and no people nothing no world 18:55 < dtm_> Jasper_Deng: cool 18:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> algebra is arabic 18:56 < dekiss> also more hardcore than this - 18:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> therefore controversial 18:56 < dtm_> dekiss: yeah that'd suck. 18:56 < dekiss> why 2+2=4? 18:56 < dtm_> dekiss: i did learn number theory 18:56 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: 2+2=4 b/c we say so! 18:56 < dekiss> if 2+2=5 then again no world.. 18:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> math is an unnatural concept 18:56 < Jasper_Deng> b/c we defined it as such! 18:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 2+2 can equal 5 18:56 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:56 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:56 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:56 < dtm_> for sufficiently large values of 2 18:56 < dtm_> or sufficiently small values of 5. 18:56 < dekiss> why 2+2=4? who said this is 4 ? why not 5? and why gravity pull things closer and no putting them one from another? 18:56 < dekiss> well... 18:57 < kylu> gravity isn't, I always figured it was easier to ignore gravity and just determine that a given amount of mass is another measure of how much it bends local spacetime. 18:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dekiss gravity isnt fully understood as a force 18:57 < dekiss> when we understadn why this laws exist we can understand our world better 18:57 < dtm_> gravity's weird. 18:57 < addihockey10_> dekiss: the decimal numerical system. 18:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there are forces that counter gravity 18:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> like dark energy 18:57 < TParis> dekiss: It doesn't matter what the mathematical labels we use, you could use spanish if you chose. But two objects added with two of the same objects equals a set number of those objects that we call four in English. 18:57 < Jasper_Deng> dekiss: there are some things like Newton's laws that you can't derive. 18:58 < kylu> ToAruShiroiNeko: are you sure that DE isn't simply a large-scale consequence of the gravity we're already familiar with? 18:58 < Jasper_Deng> kylu: ehh, no 18:58 < Jasper_Deng> my physics textbook explained it in a different manner 18:58 * Jasper_Deng no longer has that book, though 18:58 -!- josue [~canaima@186.94.9.191] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sunlight slowly returns to taksim square 18:58 < Jasper_Deng> String theory may have answers here. 18:58 < addihockey10_> TParis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senary etc 18:59 < kylu> While I have to admit it's a Kaku-theory, the gravity-is-DE isn't disproven yet that I'm aware of. 18:59 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|iPad 18:59 -!- Farby [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:59 -!- Zenktastic [~Zenktasti@dsl-72-10-219-115.bbr0.cxscny.statetel.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:59 < kylu> I have the book handy if you'd like a ref. :) 18:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu I am not sure about anything on DE 19:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> all I know is it seems to exhert a force that is opposite to observed gravity 19:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what it seems and what it really is can be completely different 19:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> reality resists simplicity 19:00 < kylu> That's the problem... DE is only observable on scales that prevent us from observing the effect of gravity itself. 19:00 < dtm_> Jasper_Deng: M theory! 19:00 < Jasper_Deng> The main difficulty w/ combining gravity with the other three fundamental forces is that its magnitude is difficult to detect on the quantum level 19:00 -!- Farby [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:00 < dekiss> real inventions will come when we undersstand gravity and why 2+2=4 and why physics laws exist and math laws 19:00 -!- Zenktastic [~Zenktasti@dsl-72-10-219-115.bbr0.cxscny.statetel.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:00 < kylu> 'lo Carly. 19:01 < dtm_> i've seen some documentaries on string theory and on the superceding M theory. no mucho comprendo. 19:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu a fun konjecture I like is anti gravity from anti matter :p 19:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its sci-fi level logic but its cute to think about :p 19:01 < dekiss> what is de? 19:01 < kylu> ToAruShiroiNeko: already tested. 19:01 -!- Migrant [~frankski@ti0095a380-0854.bb.online.no] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *conjecture 19:01 < kylu> dekiss: Dark Energy, if you meant in our convo 19:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu people's fascination with the unknown and their attempts to explain it is always interesting 19:02 < addihockey10_> Why do mathematicians confuse Halloween and Christmas? 19:02 < dekiss> thanks 19:02 < addihockey10_> Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. 19:02 < addihockey10_> bahahahaha 19:02 < dekiss> I think people at cern work on that 19:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if you think about it scientists not long ago believed earth had 4 elements, water earth air and fire 19:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> which actually is the 4 states matter can exist in 19:02 < Ironholds> addihockey10: that's terrible; I'm going to steal it (with attribution ;p) 19:02 < TParis> ToAruShiroiNeko: By not long ago, you mean at least 500 years ago. 19:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis which isnt that long ago in the grand scheme of things 19:03 < TParis> Alchemy died out in the 1500-1600s 19:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu, so yes I agree with you in your assessment 19:03 < TParis> In written Human history, it's awhile ago 19:03 < addihockey10> Ironholds I can't take credit, it's from Wikipedia 19:03 < kylu> ToAruShiroiNeko: Four states is very old... it doesn't take any of the odd states of matter into consideration 19:03 < Farby> -NickServ- Your account is now marked as being on vacation. 19:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu true 19:03 < dekiss> one question guys 19:03 < Farby> -NickServ- Please be aware that this will be automatically removed the next time you identify to NickServ. 19:03 < Farby> lol 19:03 < dekiss> are ou official editors from wikipedia? 19:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> my point is people reached the wrong conclusion with the correct observation 19:04 < dekiss> you* 19:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> because they lacked information to make the correct conclusion 19:04 < TParis> If by official, you means WMF sanctioned and paid? No. If by official you mean we're established, yes. 19:04 < kylu> I love superfluids and supersolids, they just absolutely don't make sense. 19:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu I like string theory 19:04 < dekiss> ok 19:04 < dekiss> thanks 19:04 * kylu 's not an editor. Kylu is an official irc troll. 19:04 < TParis> Superfluids: Those are the things that defy gravity? 19:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if you tie a knot with strings in string theory, do you from a galaxy? 19:05 < kylu> among other things, sure. 19:05 < Farby> Good Night 19:05 < dekiss> gn 19:05 < TParis> Anyone here amazing with CSS? 19:05 < dekiss> 4 am :S 19:05 < kylu> TParis: familiar with exotic atoms? 19:05 < kylu> Check out [[Pionium]] 19:05 < dtm_> u guyz is smot 19:05 -!- josue [~canaima@186.94.9.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:05 < TParis> Not at all. I'm into computers, not physics. I just get fasinated by physics stuff. 19:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu exotic atoms, like atoms from africa? :p 19:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu I saw a video on how space isnt really empty recently 19:06 < Swob> i read about physics on wikipedia in bed 19:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I believe on veritasium 19:06 < TParis> Anyone a CSS3 expert? 19:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it sems like CERN scientists believe Hadrons are mostly empty space 19:06 < kylu> ToAruShiroiNeko: you mean regarding virtual particles and the dirac sea? 19:06 < dekiss> I curse my high school physics teacher for not teaching me anythiong :S 19:06 < dekiss> she was really terrible 19:07 < dekiss> it reason i have no idea in electricity 19:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztc6QPNUqls 19:07 -!- legoktm is now known as duh 19:07 -!- josue [~canaima@186.94.9.191] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:07 < kylu> dekiss: s'okay, there's holes in Maxwell's theories of electricity anyway. 19:07 * kylu falls over laughing at own joke. 19:07 < dekiss> hah 19:08 < dekiss> haha 19:08 < dekiss> o man 19:08 < kylu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_hole 19:08 < dekiss> sometimes im so glad i didnt learned some things, ehich helped me to think out of box 19:08 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-96-224-16-199.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:08 < dekiss> which* 19:08 < dekiss> peopel tend to stick what their teachers taught them at schools 19:08 < dekiss> .. 19:09 < dekiss> and what if teachers were wrong?! 19:09 -!- josue [~canaima@186.94.9.191] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:09 < dekiss> why facken gravity pulls things 19:09 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 19:09 < dekiss> start at that point and youll end up with real invention 19:09 < dekiss> take in fact that gravity couldnt put things apart 19:09 < dekiss> and 2+2=5 maybe sometimes ^^ 19:10 -!- Farby [~carly@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has quit [Quit: I am leaving the way I came,like one day of March 2012] 19:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dekiss gravity doesnt pull things 19:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> everything with mass pulls each other 19:12 < dekiss> i know man 19:12 < dekiss> mass make gravity force arround the body 19:12 -!- Swob is now known as AGF 19:12 < dekiss> ... 19:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no 19:13 < dekiss> gravity is one of most important physic forces to enable world existence 19:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats the strong force 19:13 * kylu suggests, if you like learning things, to visit cracked.com and spend a bit of time there for a while. 19:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> really gravity is the weakest force among 4 fumdemental forces of physics 19:14 < kylu> History, physics, foreign languages and cultures, art... 19:14 < kylu> it teaches everything. 19:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> well... I suppose weak force is weaker 19:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but weak force is strange anyways 19:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I suppose weak force is modern alchemy :p 19:14 < dekiss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation 19:14 < kylu> nerp. http://library.thinkquest.org/27930/forces.htm 19:15 < kylu> the "weak force" is stronger than both gravity and electromagnetism. 19:15 < dekiss> the ore I get old the more I sense I will make some invention and destroy intel amd and rest.. -_- 19:15 < dekiss> I get so nervious as I am not sure what I would do with all that money 19:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu but it only happens on very rare circumstances right? 19:16 < dekiss> money are such bad thing :S 19:16 < dekiss> more* 19:16 < kylu> Er, rare, like it's responsible for holding all the atoms, everywhere, together? 19:16 < kylu> I suppose that's rare, okay. 19:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> isnt that strong force?\ 19:16 < dekiss> :) 19:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> strong force results in nuclear force 19:17 < kylu> mhmm, but the weak force results in radiation, and it counterbalances the strong. 19:17 < kylu> zomg, matter zen. 19:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> weak force is the interaction between hadrons with leptons right? 19:17 < dekiss> I think as we obviusly can't experiemnt with macfro physics we should and must focus on experiementing with micro physics on micro level 19:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu my point is gravity, electromagnetism and strong force always happens where weak force not as often - for stable hadrons I mean 19:20 * kylu shrugs, okay then. 19:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> weak force is strange to me 19:20 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20 < kylu> no, Strange quarks are m////y'know what, nevermind. 19:20 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 19:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Strange quarks are strange 19:21 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> stranger danger? :p 19:21 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has quit [Client Quit] 19:22 < dekiss> my point was, all these things are liek this because of a reason 19:23 < dekiss> I think we should search the reason as we research them 19:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> science only works with whats observable 19:23 < dekiss> philosophy math physics and chemistry combine these 19:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no 19:23 < dekiss> no 19:23 < dekiss> it isnt 19:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> philosophy is philosophy, math is math 19:23 < dekiss> philosophy ! 19:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> physics uses math 19:24 < dekiss> no 19:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> chemistry also uses math 19:24 < dekiss> no no 19:24 < dekiss> you missed my point 19:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> neither uses philosophy, ever! 19:24 < dekiss> think 19:24 < dekiss> why these laws exist? 19:24 < dekiss> that wil lget you closer to understanding 19:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not really 19:24 < dekiss> dont just try to discover what is going on 19:25 < dekiss> I mean think why why world exist.. 19:25 < dekiss> people never think about it 19:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> umm increasingly earth became a less special place 19:25 < dekiss> peopel dont have clue hw why world began 19:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we are observing remenants of water on mars 19:25 < dekiss> how* 19:25 < dekiss> but hey they want money and stuff.. 19:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> which implies life may be very common in the universe 19:26 < dekiss> that is pure philosophy 19:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we have a very good idea how the world begun 19:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you either do not know what philosophy means or are inentionally trying to waste my time 19:26 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26 < dekiss> :) 19:26 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:26 -!- harej [~quassel@static-68-239-82-231.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:26 -!- harej [~quassel@static-68-239-82-231.res.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:26 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:26 < dekiss> noone have clue how world began 19:27 < dekiss> and will never have 19:27 < dekiss> obviously 19:27 < Ironholds> er. no. we have lots of clues. indeed, evidence. 19:27 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:27 < dekiss> not in close future 19:27 < dekiss> nop 19:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we have observed how many worlds form 19:27 < dekiss> haha nice joke man.. 19:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we have seen many worlds get destroyed 19:27 < dekiss> worlds? 19:27 < dekiss> im talking about space and time 19:27 < dekiss> world=space+time 19:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we have even seen planets form around dead stars too 19:27 < dekiss> one level above what you are speaking 19:27 < dekiss> see.. 19:27 < dekiss> peopel dont think out of box 19:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nothing is more surreal than observing planets around neutron stars 19:27 < dekiss> its like kind of a desease 19:27 < dekiss> :S 19:28 < dekiss> im talking about everything 19:28 < dekiss> totally everything 19:28 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:28 < Ironholds> dekiss: if you knew what you were on about you'd know that spacetime is one thing, not two. 19:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar_planet#List_of_pulsar_planets 19:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> space/time 19:28 < dekiss> any atom and even lower level then atom and every second taht passed since begining of time 19:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dekiss thats not the same for an atom near a black hole 19:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> time slows down then 19:29 < dekiss> i know man 19:29 < dekiss> i know is one thing 19:29 < dekiss> but people dont 19:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think you know a whole lot. 19:29 < dekiss> its one level above 19:29 < dekiss> that is true 19:29 < dekiss> but none knows a whole lot 19:29 < dekiss> he can just think and have opinion 19:29 < dekiss> but hell we know nothing 19:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am very tired of this 19:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> do your own thing 19:29 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Quit: brb] 19:30 < dekiss> look arround 19:31 < dekiss> I reffer to arround as up in the sky, what you see? dead mass? look animals what you see? 19:31 < dekiss> then look people - what yo usee? 19:31 < TParis> Need help from someone good at CSS3 19:31 < dekiss> then you will understand ;) 19:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis I am not your man 19:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> how about -tech? 19:33 < dekiss> good night 19:33 < dekiss> nice talk 19:33 < dekiss> im not sorry for time spent here 19:33 < dekiss> ill come back tomorow :) 19:34 < dekiss> thanks and good night all 19:35 -!- dekiss [~dekiss@77.29.142.2] has quit [] 19:36 < dtm_> blam. 19:36 < TParis> He was annoying... 19:36 < TParis> I smelled a troll 19:36 < dtm_> he was nice though. 19:36 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:37 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:37 -!- amway [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:37 -!- rancidJHA [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:37 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:37 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:40 < mareklug> 4-2 Chicago with 41 seconds remaining 19:40 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so why not wait 41 seconds before reporting? :p 19:41 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@cpe-66-91-105-162.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:41 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@cpe-66-91-105-162.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:41 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:41 -!- amway [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Client Quit] 19:41 -!- rancidJHA [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Client Quit] 19:42 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:46 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Quit: May your day be wharrgarbl free] 19:49 -!- NotKruz [~hhhh@108.206.230.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:50 -!- Guest36164 [~Logan@ool-4357f943.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:50 -!- Guest36164 is now known as Logan_ 19:50 -!- Logan_ is now known as Guest23811 19:52 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 19:52 -!- Adrianzo [~androirc@190.207.6.79] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 19:53 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:54 -!- amway [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:54 -!- rancidJHA [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:57 -!- amway [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Client Quit] 19:57 < dtm_> vandals are repeatedly descending on the same article, from a .mil IP address. what do you think the odds are that i can track them down and have them disciplined? ;) lol 19:58 < dtm_> don't you think i should? there are two consecutive addresses. i wonder if it's two bored servicepeople, egging each other on 19:58 < kylu> ip? 19:59 -!- amway [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:59 < dtm_> it's the navy, yo. This IP address, 138.162.128.53, is registered to Navy Network Information Center (NNIC) 19:59 -!- duh is now known as legoktm 19:59 -!- amway [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59 -!- rancidJHA [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59 < dtm_> it's just constant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:138.162.128.53 19:59 < dtm_> well not constant but a lot! 20:00 -!- Koi is now known as duh 20:00 < dtm_> more than I see with many addresses ;) 20:00 -!- duh is now known as doh_ 20:00 -!- doh_ is now known as Koi 20:01 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 20:01 < dtm_> i'm still trying to reconstruct this article. it was a lot. 20:02 < dtm_> and it was .52, and .54 20:02 < kylu> mind sending logs and brief explanation to an email address for me? 20:02 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:02 < dtm_> kylu: well it's all here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Travis_Pastrana&action=history 20:02 < dtm_> and i'm Smuckola, tryin to fix it. i think i missed some old ones. 20:02 < kylu> those addresses have done some other vandalism also, looks like. 20:03 < kylu> but, if you'd pop a brief (i.e. something they can act upon) to netwarcom_ltlc_pao@navy.mil they can see who was using that IP. 20:03 < dtm_> yeah i bet 20:03 < dtm_> kylu: okay good to know. 20:03 < dtm_> i'll do that. 20:03 < dtm_> with great relish. 20:03 < kylu> ty. 20:04 < kylu> No relish please, gives me heartburn. 20:04 < dtm_> it's kosher relish 20:04 < dtm_> chicago style 20:05 < dtm_> sadly, the most authentic chicago style hot dog i've ever had, was at Sonic. 20:05 < dtm_> i've been watching this documentary reality show about life on a naval aircraft carrier, and they literally say it's one gigantic high school. 20:06 < kylu> ...funny, could be used to describe my job too. 20:06 < dtm_> kylu: do you work at a gigantic high school? 20:06 < dtm_> or what 20:07 < kylu> no, boring government job. 20:07 < dtm_> may i ask what kind? 20:07 < dtm_> the show is called Carrier btw 20:07 < dtm_> from PBS 20:07 < dtm_> it's on netflix streaming. 20:07 < dtm_> you might watch it on your phone or whatever, at your desk ;) 20:08 < kylu> I sit in a cubicle and analyze data all day, make pretty graphs, then report my findings to very important people who immediately discard what I've told them in favor of their own (usually wrong) pet theory. 20:08 < kylu> very rewarding. 20:08 < dtm_> oh my. a university? 20:08 < dtm_> i would like your graphs <3 20:08 < kylu> it's .gov, not .edu 20:08 < dtm_> i made a graph here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walfredo_Reyes,_Jr.#Career 20:08 < dtm_> it's incomplete 20:08 < dtm_> but it's just that astounding. i had to publish it. 20:09 < dtm_> it was based on the one from [[Chicago (band)]] 20:09 < dtm_> fake it til you make it, yo 20:11 < dtm_> indeed i might even go so far as to ask for protected status on that article, ya know? 20:11 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:11 < dtm_> i mean half the edits are anonymous vandals. 20:12 < dtm_> and i am now going to have to do forensics just to determine whether certain parts are vandalism. and i dont even know anything about this subject. 20:12 < dtm_> let me specify --- i dont know, and i dont care. >:/ 20:12 < dtm_> i just care about data integrity. 20:13 -!- Guest23811 [~Logan@ool-4357f943.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:14 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:17 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:17 < dtm_> good ol' WikiBlame. :/ 20:17 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [] 20:18 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@184-8-87-188.dsl1-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:18 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@184-8-87-188.dsl1-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:18 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:19 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:21 < dtm_> yeah it was the same guy, three days ago. 20:21 < dtm_> same IP address. ok i'll email a diff there. 20:21 -!- AGF is now known as {soap|bed} 20:23 < kylu> nini 20:24 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away 20:27 -!- peachey|laptop__ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:30 < mareklug> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/Success.RuningPageMakerInAnEmulatedSytem9on2009iMacIntel.png 20:31 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:33 < {soap|bed}> i had pagemaker once 20:33 < {soap|bed}> it came free in a bundle of software 20:33 < {soap|bed}> never used it 20:33 < {soap|bed}> so it's a web design priohgraM? 20:34 < {soap|bed}> *program 20:34 < mareklug> I have pagemaker not once, but 4 times or 5: on floppies as 4.0, when it was Aldus before Adobe bought the company 20:34 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:34 < dtm_> kylu: sent. 20:34 < dtm_> {soap|bed}: not at all. 20:35 < mareklug> {soap|bed} no it is not. It is a professional desktop publishing thing, as in for laying out books and posters. 20:35 < dtm_> i used it once 20:35 < dtm_> i published a local entertainment magazine 20:35 < dtm_> i just remembered that, mareklug lol 20:35 < {soap|bed}> ok 20:35 < dtm_> and i converted it from scratch, to the web. this was about 1997. 20:35 < {soap|bed}> i remember Print Shop too 20:35 < dtm_> yeah. 20:35 < mareklug> dtm_ don't you think that screenshot looks scruptious? all that 1997 tech. 20:35 < {soap|bed}> i wonder if theyre still in business 20:35 < dtm_> mareklug: lol 20:36 < mareklug> {soap|bed} who is still to be in business? Adobe? Yes, they are in business. 20:36 < {soap|bed}> no, Print Shop 20:37 < {soap|bed}> it looks like they are, but no new versions in 4 years except for a minor patch to the 2009 version 20:37 < mareklug> {soap|bed} they will even sell you a PageMaker 7 that will only run in Classic Macs or Windows XP 20:37 < mareklug> {soap|bed} it's called dead software, but still used and therefore, milked for. 20:38 < mareklug> dtm_ publishing software has not gotten any better or faster 20:39 -!- _Nirvana_ [47d93134@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.217.49.52] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:39 < {soap|bed}> Print Shop was a nice cheap alternative to PageMaker, Photoshop, MS Publisher, etc 20:40 < _Nirvana_> I POOPED MY PANTS LIKE A BIG BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:40 < _Nirvana_> O__________O 20:40 -!- Richwales [~Richwales@wikipedia/Richwales] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:40 < _Nirvana_> I FARTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:40 -!- _Nirvana_ [47d93134@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.217.49.52] has left #wikipedia-en [] 20:40 < Koi> er. 20:40 < Koi> okay then. 20:40 -!- amway [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:41 -!- rancidJHA [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:41 < mareklug> {soap|bed} perhaps for basic stuff. But if you need to color match, trap, or full bleed, and embed fonts, you can't do that on the cheap 20:41 < JKL1234-> what the actual fuck 20:42 < dtm_> mareklug knows wussup 20:44 < mareklug> dtm now my main constraint is logical volume size. this thing came piddly configured for 480 meg. I need to increase that by 10 fold 20:45 < dtm_> unleash the TRUE beast WITHIN 20:45 -!- Richwales [~Richwales@wikipedia/Richwales] has left #wikipedia-en ["Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"] 20:45 -!- _Nirvana_ [47d93134@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.217.49.52] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:45 < _Nirvana_> BUTT POOP ROLLED DOWN THE STAIRS ONTO YUKY DOODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:46 -!- _Nirvana_ [47d93134@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.217.49.52] has left #wikipedia-en [] 20:46 < IDoH> Er…Can ops help with Nirvana? 20:47 < {soap|bed}> that IP looks familiar 20:47 < IDoH> {soap|bed}: From what, exactly? 20:47 < IDoH> A wikipedia vandal? That seems like the sort of things a child vandal might do. 20:47 < {soap|bed}> nah 20:48 < {soap|bed}> there was another IP troll a few nights ago 20:48 < IDoH> Ahhh, I see. 20:48 < IDoH> Should we do !_ops, {soap|bed}? 20:49 < {soap|bed}> * Logan_ sets mode: +b *!*@c-71-227-76-44.hsd1.mi.comcast.net 20:49 < {soap|bed}> coincidence, i think 20:49 < {soap|bed}> only the first number is the same 20:49 < IDoH> Okay 20:50 < IDoH> Yeah, I'm not sure if ops can do anything now 20:50 < IDoH> +b is quieting, right? 20:50 < {soap|bed}> it means ban 20:50 < IDoH> Or is quieting +o? 20:50 < Jasper_Deng> IDoH: quieting = +q 20:50 < {soap|bed}> but sometimes an op will "ban" someone without kicking them, which effectively is the same as quiet 20:50 < IDoH> Oh, okay. 20:50 < Jasper_Deng> (although +q = channel founder on other networks) 20:50 < Jasper_Deng> (including my own (sry, IPv6 only atm) 20:50 < {soap|bed}> oooh 20:51 < {soap|bed}> your own IRC network 20:51 < IDoH> So a kick ban will look like…what? 20:51 < IDoH> Exactly? 20:51 < Jasper_Deng> IDoH: kickban is /kick followed by setting /mode +b, or the reverse 20:51 < JKL1234-> <3 founder, admin, and halfop 20:52 < IDoH> I see. 20:52 < Jasper_Deng> JKL1234: all of which exist on my net. 20:52 < IDoH> Jasper_Deng: What will it look like to me, though? 20:52 < {soap|bed}> Operator sets mode: +b User 20:52 < {soap|bed}> * User was kicked by Operator (User) 20:52 < {soap|bed}> though every client renders it differently 20:52 < IDoH> {soap|bed}: I see. 20:52 < Jasper_Deng> Chatzilla uses "was booted from <channel> by operator" 20:53 -!- amway [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 20:53 -!- rancidJHA [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 20:54 < legoktm> mareklug: :D 20:54 < legoktm> Current Version: Textual 3.0.3 (Build #2014) 20:54 -!- osxdude [~osxdude@unaffiliated/osxdude] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:55 < mareklug> legoktm and your bouncer bounces? 20:55 < legoktm> works great 20:56 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:56 -!- osxdude [~osxdude@unaffiliated/osxdude] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:56 < mareklug> legoktm did you see my latest mac dog walking on hind legs trick? 20:56 < legoktm> lolwut? 20:57 < mareklug> 22:30:56] <mareklug> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/Success.RuningPageMakerInAnEmulatedSytem9on2009iMacIntel.png 20:58 -!- FastLizard4|iPad is now known as FastLizard4 20:59 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-96-224-16-199.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:00 < legoktm> ohohoh 21:00 < legoktm> yeah i saw that 21:02 < mareklug> legoktm so after tonight, the Blackhawks are leading the finals 2-0. 21:02 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 21:06 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:09 -!- Guerillero|TF2 [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:13 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:13 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 21:13 -!- addihockey10_ [c6073ecc@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:14 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@2001:d98:b004:8:b89b:28fc:7383:5aa6] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:14 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@2001:d98:b004:8:b89b:28fc:7383:5aa6] has quit [Changing host] 21:14 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:14 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:17 < legoktm> sdamashek|sleep: ping 21:17 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:17 -!- {soap|bed} [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 21:23 -!- Yetanotherx is now known as Yetanotherx|afk 21:25 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:27 < IDoH> legoktm: sdamashek|sleep is…um…guess what…sleeping. 21:27 < legoktm> Probably! But hopefully he'll respond when he gets up 21:28 < IDoH> Possibly 21:38 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:39 -!- Ironholds is now known as IH|away 21:43 -!- ScottSteiner [ScottStein@wikipedia/ScottSteiner] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:44 -!- ChrisGualtieri [~IceChat77@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:45 < ChrisGualtieri> Hey can an admin explain something quickly for me? A page is protected, for no apparant reason and lacks template 21:45 < ChrisGualtieri> I can't even add the persondata field >.>; 21:45 < IDoH> Can you check the protection logs? 21:45 < IDoH> So, it's fully protected, correct? 21:46 < ChrisGualtieri> I believe so 21:46 < ChrisGualtieri> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aja_%28entertainer%29&diff=453689336&oldid=453689236 21:46 < IDoH> It was attacked by a bot, apparently. 21:46 < IDoH> A year and a half ago 21:47 < IDoH> You can try to request for unprotection, if you wish 21:47 < ChrisGualtieri> That's stupid x-x 21:47 < ChrisGualtieri> But okay 21:47 < IDoH> What's stupid? 21:48 < ChrisGualtieri> Why not address the issue with the bot? Why lock the page from all editing 21:48 < IDoH> Maybe the bots get autoconfirmed quickly. 21:48 < IDoH> Wait four days, make ten constructive edits while the account is being controlled by a human, and release the bot. 21:49 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:50 < IDoH> But why would you fully protect it indefinitely? 21:50 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 21:50 < IDoH> Again, request unprotection, using twinkle. 21:52 < legoktm> ChrisGualtieri: Looking. 21:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH should femen protest against public flashing? 21:54 < legoktm> ChrisGualtieri: I unprotected it 21:54 < IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: Should females, you mean? 21:54 < ChrisGualtieri> oh thanks, was figuring out how to do it on twinkle lol 21:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> femen is a protest group 21:59 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@176.254.35.61] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:59 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@176.254.35.61] has quit [Changing host] 21:59 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:00 < IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: Ah. Probably so. 22:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the protest by flashing their boobs tho 22:01 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:01 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:01 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:02 * IDoH facepalms 22:02 < IDoH> That's a bad idea, ToAruShiroiNeko 22:02 < ChrisGualtieri> Lol 22:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> google femen if you like to see what I mean 22:03 * IDoH just did that. 22:03 < SigmaWP> ToAruShiroiNeko: Are they the people who got thumbs-upped by Putin? 22:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ya 22:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> putin gave 3-thumbs up if you know what I mean 22:07 < ChrisGualtieri> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MojtabaAkbari Does this count as a speedy? The article is still at AFC as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Mojtaba_Akbari 22:08 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:09 < IDoH> ChrisGualtieri: Sounds like somebody didn't understand talk pages. 22:09 < IDoH> The article doesn't exist, so probably. 22:09 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:13 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:13 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:13 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:14 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:15 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:15 -!- IShadowed_ is now known as IShadowed 22:18 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:19 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:21 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Would anybody here like to discuss the subject of this article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TheUnknownNinjaNN2/sandbox 22:21 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:22 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Hello? 22:22 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:23 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Is anyone here? 22:24 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Jeske_Couriano: hello. 22:25 < Jasper_Deng> UnknownNinjaNN2: I think asking three times within a few hours is a bit much. 22:25 < ChrisGualtieri> Fan made games with no RSes do not meet notability. 22:26 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Someone was discussing. I left. I came back later because I got busy. What is the big deal? The guy was interested. I just underestimated my time. 22:26 < Jasper_Deng> Swob's now offline 22:27 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|sleep 22:27 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Okay. I wasn't discussing the article by pm anyway. I discussing the fact that I was remaking it. 22:27 < UnknownNinjaNN2> The game. 22:28 < ChrisGualtieri> you are making the game? 22:28 * Jasper_Deng forgot that UnknownNinjaNN2 should perhaps read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:COI 22:28 < Jasper_Deng> although you're doing the right thing by asking for outside views. 22:29 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Actually, the article is not even going to be resubmitted. I plan on moving but anyway we are changing the subject. 22:31 < UnknownNinjaNN2> ChrisGualtieri: I got enough material for six or seven parts. The original had two. 22:31 < ChrisGualtieri> Huh? 22:31 < ChrisGualtieri> We need RSes 22:31 < UnknownNinjaNN2> The storyline was cut in half. 22:31 < UnknownNinjaNN2> And what is an RSes 22:32 -!- kondi [~kondi@123.201.21.34] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:32 < Jasper_Deng> UnknownNinjaNN2: = abbreviation for reliable sources 22:33 < ChrisGualtieri> Independent sources which discuss the subject. 22:33 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Whoa! Guys. I just wanted to talk about me remaking it! Not the articles errors! 22:34 < UnknownNinjaNN2> You know, bounce ideas around. 22:34 < Jasper_Deng> when you remake it, you correct errors too 22:34 < UnknownNinjaNN2> I am actually remaking the video game. As in programming. 22:35 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Not the article. 22:35 * Jasper_Deng pokes Ks0stm 22:35 < ChrisGualtieri> Then why have it on Wikipedia... 22:36 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Why not? Doesn't it get dull around here? What else would we discuss? 22:37 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Besides, Wikipedians have an interesting view at times... 22:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we discuss physics theories on ceiling cats mass 22:38 < UnknownNinjaNN2> ??? 22:40 < gry> heh 22:40 < gry> you're supposed to be a ninja 22:40 < Shirik> the problem with determining a ceiling cat's mass is that cats generally move quickly 22:40 < gry> don't ask direct questions then 22:40 < gry> do observation all the time and hide more 22:40 < gry> hehe 22:40 < Shirik> and as they move faster, they become more massive 22:40 < Shirik> accordingly cats have a non-constant mass 22:40 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Well, for anyone familiar with Nintendo: I turned Fawful into a Shroob. 22:41 < gry> w00ties 22:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jasper_Deng isnt it odd that we are getting so many questions on wikipedias fundementals by multiple nicks 22:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> whom all claim to be oblivious to everything and yet ask similar questions? 22:41 < Ks0stm> Jasper_Deng: Yes? 22:41 < gry> yes, very suspicious, let's fire them all 22:41 * gry nods 22:42 < UnknownNinjaNN2> So maybe everyone gets confused by the same things! 22:42 < Shirik> out of a cannon? 22:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or its forum shopping 22:42 < gry> Shirik: yes please 22:42 < gry> Shirik: since the cannon is large and visible, we should get a ninja to carry it (I think UnknownNinjaNN2 would do the job well :) 22:43 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Also, I am not a ninja! That was a pun on my old username InsertNameHere and the fact that edit conflicts are called being ninja'd on forums. 22:45 < gry> what is your new wiki username? 22:46 < UnknownNinjaNN2> It was always TheUnknownNinjaNN2 InsertNameHere was my forum username. 22:48 < UnknownNinjaNN2> So, anybody want to get back on the subject of that game I am remaking? 22:48 -!- OlEnglish [~me@S0106602ad08246c6.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:48 -!- OlEnglish [~me@S0106602ad08246c6.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:48 -!- OlEnglish [~me@wikipedia/OlEnglish] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:50 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:51 -!- juliancolton [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:51 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:52 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:55 -!- zz_YuviPanda is now known as YuviPanda 22:56 < YuviPanda> hello 22:56 < YuviPanda> I need help handling a potential COI / AfC 22:57 < YuviPanda> a company (that I'm not associated with, but have plenty of friends in, + they once offered me a job (which I turned down)) wants to have their wiki article go through AfC 22:57 < YuviPanda> there seem to be enough coverage in notable sources for it to pass 22:57 < YuviPanda> what should I do? 22:57 < YuviPanda> is there a guideline that I can point them to? 22:58 < Shirik> WP:COI, but there's nothing particularly wrong with them creating their own article 22:58 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58 < Shirik> it's just really, really hard to stay neutral 22:58 < YuviPanda> Shirik: indeed 22:58 < Shirik> but they can run it through AFC to see if they can get it to pass 22:58 < YuviPanda> they're also asking about the logo - I suppose that should go on enwiki? 22:58 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:58 < YuviPanda> is there a document specifying what templates, etc they should use? 22:58 < Shirik> preferably it would go on commons 22:59 < Shirik> not really 22:59 < kondi> YuviPanda I feel stupid after what I showed you yesterday :| 22:59 < Shirik> it doesn't have to be perfect at the first og 22:59 < Shirik> go 22:59 < Shirik> it just needs to be neutral and notable 22:59 < YuviPanda> sure, but I suppose it isn't really CC or any commons compatible license... 22:59 < YuviPanda> kondi: hehe, found the issue? 22:59 < YuviPanda> Shirik: hmm, right. 23:00 < kondi> YuviPanda: Yeah, the moment you told me about the mismash. 23:00 < dtm_> YuviPanda: you should submit the url here for copy editing for the overall objectivity, and for your peace of mind 23:00 < YuviPanda> yes yes, peace of mind is what i'm primarily looking for :D 23:00 < YuviPanda> dtm_: so steps would be to 1. have someone else write it on their userpage 2. 23:01 < YuviPanda> 2. have a bunch of truly neutral people look at it 23:01 < YuviPanda> 3. have one of them move it to article space 23:01 < YuviPanda> sounds good? 23:04 < YuviPanda> dtm_: can you also tell me what to do about their logo? 23:04 < YuviPanda> it is not CC... 23:04 -!- ChrisGualtieri [~IceChat77@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06 < David_Stevenson> ToAruShiroiNeko: zing 23:15 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:15 < dtm_> YuviPanda: didn't you say you already wrote it? 23:15 < dtm_> YuviPanda: step 1 if you already wrote it, is to just paste the url here 23:15 < YuviPanda> no, in ways of extreme COI avoidance, we got yet another guy who is a mutual friend to write it :P 23:15 < YuviPanda> so moment, I just emailed him 23:15 < dtm_> it doesn't matter where it's stored. just that there are multiple contributors. 23:16 < YuviPanda> yeah, I got nothing so far. 23:16 < dtm_> YuviPanda: and to the overall plan you stated, yes 23:16 < YuviPanda> i'll paste it when he replies 23:18 < YuviPanda> all I got so far is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Business_and_economics/Companies&diff=554819290&oldid=554239418 23:18 < YuviPanda> which is the edit to requested articles 23:18 < YuviPanda> a while back 23:18 < YuviPanda> with notable sources 23:19 < dtm_> YuviPanda: so it's Exotel? 23:19 < YuviPanda> yes 23:19 < dtm_> and you just have a bunch of references. 23:19 < dtm_> ok. 23:20 < dtm_> roger that 23:20 < YuviPanda> this was months ago 23:20 < YuviPanda> there's a written article... somewhere 23:20 < YuviPanda> I don't have it yet 23:20 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20 < dtm_> oh. ok. 23:20 < YuviPanda> I was just talking to confirm that whatever I'm doing is the right way to go :) 23:20 < YuviPanda> I might be paranoid from reading too much AN/I and related areas :) 23:20 < YuviPanda> kondi: did you fix the mismash? :) 23:22 < kondi> YuviPanda: after you told me that I induldged in self loathing and then went to sleep. Will be fixing it today 23:22 < YuviPanda> lol 23:22 < YuviPanda> :D 23:22 < kondi> :) 23:24 < YuviPanda> kondi: just to note, whatever I said wasn't with intent of causing self loathing 23:24 < YuviPanda> or anything 23:24 < YuviPanda> :) 23:24 < kondi> YuviPanda: I know :) 23:25 < dtm_> how would i make two columns (i'm using {{div col | 2}} presently) which are aligned to the left? i want them both hugging the left. 23:25 < dtm_> right now they're spaced way out. one on the left, one on the right. 23:26 < dtm_> i want them only to be just as wide as they need to be, with no whitespace, and left-aligned 23:28 < kondi> YuviPanda: Atul Chitnis passed away? 23:28 < YuviPanda> .... 23:28 < YuviPanda> what 23:29 < kondi> yes he did 23:29 < YuviPanda> fuck 23:29 < kondi> read on twitter 23:29 < YuviPanda> I thought his Cancer was receding 23:29 < YuviPanda> yeah i just saw 23:29 < YuviPanda> sigh 23:29 * kondi sighs 23:29 < YuviPanda> RIP 23:30 < dtm_> :\ 23:34 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:36 < legoktm> :( 23:37 < dtm_> how do i request for an article to be protected against anonymous editing, because half of the recent edits have been vandalism? 23:37 < dtm_> (anonymous vandalism) 23:37 < YuviPanda> semi-protection, catch an admin? 23:37 < YuviPanda> dtm_: Shirik is an admin, I think? :) 23:37 < legoktm> Hey! 23:37 < legoktm> I'm here! 23:37 < dtm_> without the 'catch' part, how does one actually do that 23:37 < dtm_> what's the official method 23:37 < YuviPanda> hmm 23:37 < legoktm> WP:RFPP 23:38 < YuviPanda> oh yes, legoktm too :) 23:38 < YuviPanda> legoktm: for some reason I keep thinking of you as 'bot guy' than 'admin' 23:38 < YuviPanda> sorry 23:38 < legoktm> :P 23:38 < dtm_> legoktm: check tihs crap out http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Travis_Pastrana&action=history 23:38 < kondi> hehe 23:38 < dtm_> legoktm: i wasted mad time reconstructing that article's three day history, and reporting it to the US Navy. 23:39 < dtm_> over something i dont know or care anything about <3 23:39 < dtm_> specifically 23:39 < koishi> i can't respond to this guy anymore 23:39 < koishi> i'm dealing with a child 23:39 < koishi> a /real/ child 23:39 < koishi> what people mean when they say "child" 23:39 < koishi> what do i do 23:39 < legoktm> ok, i've semi'd for a week 23:39 < koishi> god what do i /do/ 23:39 < legoktm> koishi: huh? 23:40 < koishi> why are people like this allowed to do anything 23:40 < koishi> why 23:40 < dtm_> koishi: :-I 23:40 < koishi> no, i don't need a wikibreak 23:40 < koishi> i need to make my own damned wiki 23:41 < koishi> the free encyclopedia where absolutely no one else will ever be able to edit 23:41 < legoktm> Wow, thats the third poop username I've blocked today :/ 23:41 < koishi> because ivorytowering is all you can do 23:42 -!- Sarrus [~Sarrus@93-160-110-150-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:42 -!- Sarrus [~Sarrus@93-160-110-150-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:42 -!- Sarrus [~Sarrus@wikipedia/Sarrus] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:42 < koishi> that is the only way you can "win" against these... 23:42 < koishi> are they /robots/, maybe 23:42 < koishi> are they /them/ 23:43 < koishi> they look and seemingly act like normal human beings but they are monsters 23:43 < koishi> lest ye become a monster etc etc 23:45 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has quit [Quit: PWNT] 23:45 < koishi> how do i report conflicts with other users 23:45 < koishi> i keep forgetting because it seems like there are at least three different ways to 23:46 < legoktm> WP:DRN 23:46 < koishi> thank you 23:46 < koishi> save yourselves from these monsters 23:46 < koishi> while you still can 23:47 < koishi> oh no 23:47 < koishi> i can't use it 23:47 < koishi> because 90% of this is his behavior and conduct 23:47 < legoktm> oh 23:47 < legoktm> WP:ANI 23:47 < gry> err what... see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution first 23:47 -!- amway [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:48 < gry> although it doesn't link to DRN or ANI oddly enough, which I think it should 23:50 -!- amway [ThrashIRC@cm32.eta29.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Client Quit] 23:58 -!- thedj [~pjotr@unaffiliated/thedj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Jun 03 00:00:55 2013