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--- Log opened Wed May 29 00:00:09 2013
--- Day changed Wed May 29 2013
00:00 < mareklug> http://www.asante.com
00:00 < dtm> call tech support
00:02 < mareklug> http://www.asante.com/support/legacy/adapters/asantefast.asp
00:02 < mareklug> he he
00:03 < mareklug> AsanteFast 10/100 PCI Adapter Rev. B  <-- tht is what mine says
00:03 < dtm> k
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00:04 < mareklug> except mine is Nubus not PCI :(
00:05 < dtm> :-o
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00:07 < mareklug> support@asante.com   I guess
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00:09 < dtm> mareklug: yes.
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00:17 < mareklug> {{done}}
00:18 < mareklug> dtm now, any idea about the cursed Photoshop not opening?
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00:21 < mareklug> ha!  on a related success note, I got my 1998 Powerbook to correctly serve ftp to my 2009 iMac.  So I am networked at home!  And I can do that on a 3400 Powerbook running Mac OS 8.1.  Now if I get do it on the IIci, it will be total win.  The IIci does not talk yet in Appletalk to the 8.1/9.22 operating system machines.
00:25 < BlastHardcheese> ew appletalk
00:26 < mareklug> hey don't knock it.  I get nicely mounted LAN drives among my 3 powerbooks with drag and drop
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00:41 < mareklug> dtm http://www.asante.com/downloads/legacy/afnubusrm.pdf    yup, missing a driver, which I just got my paws on.
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01:26 < SigmaWP> early sleep time
01:26 < SigmaWP> Bsadowski1: good night
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04:24 < mareklug> dtm no luck on asante fast internet yet, but some luck on apple talk across the board:  all machines sytem 7.5.3/system 8.1/system 9.22 see each other on apple talk and can mount each other's disks and do drag and drop on them.
04:25 < mareklug> BlastHardcheese ^  ftw
04:25 < wctaiwan> apple talk?
04:25 < wctaiwan> ...
04:25 < mareklug> apple talk over ethernet
04:26 < wctaiwan> do you also swear by AppleWorks 6?
04:27 < mareklug> no, i acquired a copy with the $91 1998 Powerbook G3 Series 233 MHz that I just got, together with Quark Xpress 4.1, Photoshop 7, and Adobe Illustrator 10.0.  Yes, there is AppleWorks there as well.   And Filemaker Pro, whatever that is good for.  And Microsoft Office 2001 for the Mac.
04:27 < wctaiwan> ooh, office 2001 for mac
04:27 < wctaiwan> is that v.X?
04:27 < wctaiwan> that one was hilariously bad.
04:28 < mareklug> you have to admit, that is not badly spent 91 dollars.  and the machine is in a fabulous condition, physically.
04:28 < wctaiwan> that's the one before it.
04:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug would you pay 400k for an apple 1?
04:28 < mareklug> no, I fired up this MS Office and it is snappy and appears to be no worse than my copy from 2008 that runs on X 10.8.3
04:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its out of warranty!
04:29 < mareklug> no, I don't collect precious jewlery.
04:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wow that would be badd ass
04:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> an apple 1 bling bling
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04:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> who warns of sars?
04:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> who wouldn't warn of sars
04:37 < mareklug> wctaiwan what is more amazing is that in the innards of my other IIci which is refusing to boot and stay booted (PRAM battery?), I found an Asante Fast Ethernet 10/100 Nubus Card.  These things, I am told, are the bee's knees in Nubus/680x0 networking, and are now selling for 175-280 a pop.  But I have not got it to transmit data yet.  It passes diagnostics, but I have trouble installing its driver, as the soft prompts me to "insert the disk".
04:37 < mareklug>   I am hoping that a resident copy of Disk Copy 6.3.3. will make the differerence by somehow mounting a virtual image of the stuff.
04:38 < wctaiwan> mareklug: you should have a chat with Isarra some time.
04:38 < wctaiwan> you two both specialise in trying to get stuff I'd give up on to work.
04:39 < mareklug> wctaiwan I do, but she is into obsolete Intel/AMD computers that are windows boxes she presses into linux service, whereas I am resurrecting an Apple museum because I actually have working Desktop Publishing software for all this stuff. :)
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04:40 < mareklug> wctaiwan  and I maxed out the IIci in memory:  I had 32 meg, now…  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/memory%20on%20IIci.jpg
04:41 < wctaiwan> I've forgotten how awkward Chicago looked.
04:41 < wctaiwan> (system font for OS pre-X)
04:42 < BadDesign> I'm interested in finding out whether articles on English Wikipedia use other ways to display coordinates near the title besides the {{Coord template from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord  with display=title attribute?
04:42 < mareklug> it's a lovely piece of design, actually.  Someone even made an app recently for the iOS that mimicks it.
04:42 < BadDesign> I intend to parse the dump to grab all the articles that have coordinates near the title
04:42 < wctaiwan> it's got character, unlike Lucida Grande
04:42 < wctaiwan> but I don't need my system font to have character
04:43 < mareklug> well, it matters not.  I have these systems, and I have character. :) :) :)
04:43 < mareklug> or characters in Chicago font.
04:43 < wctaiwan> and a fiery temper to match ;-)
04:43 < mareklug> I am laid back this morn/
04:44 < mareklug> btw I can ftp from X 10.8.3 to two machines on 9.2.2 and one on 8.1 with a single click from Terminal's New Remote Connection window. :)
04:45 < mareklug> no go yet on seeing the 7.5.3 box from X.
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05:35 < samurai_> hi............
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05:39 < GorillaWarfare> Morning
05:40 < Writ_Keeper> mornin'
05:40 < samurai_> morning
05:40 < kondi> morning
05:41 < samurai_> @orilla warfare.you interested in army man?
05:42 < GorillaWarfare> samurai_: Nope
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05:43 < samurai_> @gorilla warfare what are your interests then?
05:43 < GorillaWarfare> samurai_: Editing Wikipedia. Writing code.
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05:44 < samurai_> i see......i use wikipedia every day........
05:44 < gry> code in what field and language?
05:45 < GorillaWarfare> samurai_: Me too
05:45 < GorillaWarfare> gry: In my spare time, I prefer Python. For school and work I typically use C and C++
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05:46 < gry> do you package stuff for linux distros or just python programs without packaging?
05:46 < samurai_> i am interested in military stuff.there is loads of it on wikipedia.:-)
05:46  * wctaiwan senses a chance for a py3k v. python 2 war >>>
05:46 < wctaiwan> >.>
05:46 < GorillaWarfare> gry: The latter
05:46 < gry> python for web development or for desktop apps? do you do the naughty unit testing and all? :)
05:46 < GorillaWarfare> Desktop, and yeah, a bit
05:46 < wctaiwan> I actually prefer C to just about everything, mostly because it's the only one I know well enough to be comfortable coding in >.<
05:47 < GorillaWarfare> samurai_: Indeed there is
05:51 < Qcoder00> So Liberty Reserve gets busted for handling illeg shit
05:51 < Qcoder00> Can;t be long before BitCoin exchnages get into toru7ble then
05:51 < Qcoder00> But PayPal being legit comes out of it clean :)
05:52 < wctaiwan> PayPal has a poor reputation of a different kind
05:52 < GorillaWarfare> ^
05:53 < wctaiwan> I recall reading more than a few times about accounts being frozen for no apparent reason, with little recourse
05:55 < GorillaWarfare> Yeah, I know some people who have had that happen
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05:55 < Qcoder00> But hey at least PayPal doesn't facilitate 'illegal activity' like durgs , child porn, or money laundering
05:55 < Qcoder00> XD
05:55 < Qcoder00> or for that matter organised criminal sale of copyright infringing materials
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07:57 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaan_Kross - Korean error msg?
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07:59 < Fluffernutter> heh, cool
08:00  * Fluffernutter investigates
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08:02 < wctaiwan> seems caused by http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jaan_Kross&diff=556820504&oldid=543767899
08:02 < wctaiwan> but… o_O
08:03 < wctaiwan> I reverted.
08:03 < wctaiwan> but I'm still curious how that came to happen.
08:03 < Fluffernutter> yeah, i can make the error go away but no idea why it was in korean
08:04 < wctaiwan> …and ec'd. what a failure.
08:04  * Fluffernutter beat you :P
08:04 < wctaiwan> does <references /> magically take the user's homewiki language into account or something?
08:04 < wctaiwan> it makes no sense.
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08:06 < Fluffernutter> i suspect something went wonky within the backend code that generates that error message, but i don't know how to track such a thing down
08:07 < Soapy> it looks fine to me
08:07 < Soapy> whatwas the error?
08:07 < Fluffernutter> Soapy: the "there are <ref> tags in this page, but no <references/>" message was being delivered in korean
08:08 < Soapy> does it still show Korean even when you viewe the diff now?
08:08 < Fluffernutter> i fixed the underlying ref error
08:08 < wctaiwan> now in english, yes.
08:08 < wctaiwan> this is fascinating.
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08:11  * Fluffernutter is going to be bothered by this if we can't figure it out
08:12 < wctaiwan> well the evidence was destroyed
08:12 < wctaiwan> have fun tracing the code :p
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08:14 < TheDruId> Just showing that it doesn't matter, because if matter can neither be created nor destroyed...
08:15 < Soapy> well, maybe it is just as you said
08:15 < Soapy> the bleeding red error message comes up in the user's home language figuring theyre the ones most likely to see it
08:15 < TheDruId> Anyone else want a soda...:p
08:15 < Soapy> and then switches when someone else edits
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08:18 < Fluffernutter> man, according to [[Template:Broken ref]], Korean isn't even an OPTION for language in that template. Wtf, mediawiki.
08:19 < Soapy> i think that might not be the right template
08:20 < Soapy> wait maybe it is
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08:20 < Soapy> its the third from the bottom
08:20 < Fluffernutter> (i reverted the error back into the article for the moment so we can wtf at it)
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08:21 < Soapy> it exists though
08:21 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Cite_error_refs_without_references/ko&action=edit
08:22 < Soapy> it might be pulling from meta or something
08:22 < Soapy> since there's no history for that MediaWiki page
08:23 < Soapy> or it's built in to the MediaWiki software somehow
08:23 < Fluffernutter> other pages are displaying the message in english
08:24 < Fluffernutter> and now so is it
08:24 < Soapy> well yeah i think its becayse the Korean user was the one to trigger it
08:24 < Fluffernutter> if that's what it does, it ought to not do that
08:24 < Soapy> [[MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references/ko]]
08:25  * Fluffernutter gives up
08:25 < Soapy> i assume that MediaWiki namespace sometimes has automaticallyt generated pages
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08:28 < anustart> Fluffernutter: Soapy http://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Cite_error_refs_without_references/ko
08:28 < Fyre> weee i'm on a train!
08:28 < Carly|busy> ^_^
08:28 < TheDruId> Fyre, <green>
08:28  * Carly|busy buys new boots
08:29 < Fyre> train is stuck for an hour
08:29 < Theo10011> OMG Carly|busy
08:29 < Theo10011> call me maeby
08:29 < Theo10011> well not anymore
08:29 < Soapy> what dos Maeby mean anyway
08:29 < Carly|busy> Xd
08:29 < Carly|busy> Haha
08:29 < Fyre> mayble
08:29 < Soapy> n/m
08:29 < Soapy> its yet another Arrested Development reference
08:30 < Theo10011> Also a song.
08:30 < Theo10011> but ya AD
08:30 < Soapy> Arrested Development was a band, wasnt it?
08:31 < Soapy> yeah
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08:32 < Carly|busy> I love Caterpillar :D
08:32  * Carly|busy faints
08:33 < Fyre> can you believe i'm being paid for doing NOTHING for 8 hours on a train to NYC?
08:33 < Carly|busy> Yes I believe
08:34 < Fyre> train is stuck at customs -_-
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08:37 < Fyre> whoa, two black dudes got escorted with 4 CBP agents
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08:41 < Fyre> those 2 black dudes just left the train
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08:43 < TheDruId> Was it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Freeman and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson ?
08:44 < Pharos>  who is this Fyre person, and why are they invading my beloved city?
08:45 < Fyre> I'm a Wikipedian on a business trip.
08:45 < TheDruId> Because TSA hasn't impeded http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement
08:45 < NorthFace> FYRE
08:45 < Fyre> montreal canada to NYC
08:45 < Pharos> what's your username?
08:46 < Fyre> why
08:46 < Pharos> because i want to know if you are awesome
08:46 < TheDruId> Every Wikipedian is awesome.
08:47 < NorthFace> Yes
08:47 < NorthFace> Like me
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08:48  * NorthFace cries 
08:48  * Theo10011 offers NorthFace a tissue
08:48 < NorthFace> No
08:48 < Fyre> Phil13
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08:49 < NorthFace> :(
08:49  * NorthFace eats her shoes
08:49 < Pharos> also, if your *are* awesome I'd like to say hi while you're in the city
08:49  * NorthFace sees Caterpillar
08:49 < Fyre> Pharos: take a coffee?
08:49 < mareklug> NorthFace you should change your nick to TheSouthButt
08:50 < NorthFace> No
08:50 < NorthFace> Shut marek club
08:50 < NorthFace> :(
08:50 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_South_Butt
08:50 < Pharos> something like that, tho i'm not much of a coffee person
08:50  * TheDruId laughs.
08:50 < Fyre> Pharos: a donut at Tim Hortons?
08:50 < Pharos> sounds exotic
08:50 < mareklug> Fyre invite him to a local Wendy's
08:51  * NorthFace was in dentist
08:51  * NorthFace cries
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08:52 < Fyre> Pharos: what do you think of the new bike rental system that's about to be in NYC?
08:52 < Pharos> I like it, but I probably won't use it much personally
08:53 < TheDruId> Hope it makes for a healthier populace, and less traffic.
08:53 < mareklug> Fyre Pharos already has a stolen bicycle, like everyone else in the borrough
08:53 < Philon> !admin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bla12345678910111213 can someone block this user
08:54 < QueenOfFrance> what for
08:54 < legoktm> hai
08:54 < Philon> ughh what is AIV for?
08:54 < Philon> vandalism of course
08:54 < Pharos> my bicycle was stolen a couple times as a kid, that's more or less the only crime that has ever strick me
08:54 < zuzak> already done
08:54  * legoktm glares at RD 
08:54 < Fyre> I use BIXI in Montréal often.
08:54 < Pharos> Fyre: Do you know the Montreal Wikipedian community?
08:55 < Philon> why does that happen? it takes a lot of time when I report to AIV and when I take it here someone have already blocked it
08:55 < mareklug> Pharos I had two bicycles, both Motobecane Super Mirage.  The red one was stolen while I was watching it in the park.
08:55 < Fyre> Pharos: yes.
08:55  * NorthFace :|
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08:55 < Fyre> Pharos: i'll tell you a good tip to use with those bikes :)
08:55 < Fyre> it's not a scam per se
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08:57 < Fyre> let's say you use your credit card, you borrow a bike
08:57 < Fyre> the usual free time is 30 minutes
08:57 < Fyre> Just borrow it for 25 minutes , find another docking station, dock it, wait 3-4 minutes, insert the same card again, no charge, enjoy 25 minutes free
08:58 < legoktm> Philon: happens to all of us ;)
08:58 < Pharos> the local public radio station recently had a crosstown bike-taxi-subway race
08:58 < Pharos> to test out the new bike rentals
08:58 < Philon> legoktm: xD
08:58 < Fyre> and
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09:08 < Philon> legoktm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Auzzieowen how about now?
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09:10 < legoktm> um
09:10 < Philon> legoktm: yeah?
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09:11 < legoktm> there was no need for a 4im there
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09:12 < Philon> legoktm: how about this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=557368330&oldid=557368133
09:12 < Philon> !admin seriously? is no one going to do it
09:13 < legoktm> right, they werent warned even once. but 4im is used for like super severe vandalism. it just comes off bite-y imo
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09:13 < Shirik> agreed
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09:15 < Philon> legoktm: does that mean you are not going to block them
09:16 < legoktm> i will if they keep vandalizing
09:16 < Philon> ok
09:17 < Philon> legoktm: there is a sockpuppet vandal; he isn't editing & username is also a violation; will you block him?
09:17 < Philon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bla1234567891011121314151617181920
09:17 < legoktm> he's a sock?
09:18 < Philon> yeah; I reported the same guy with another username some bla(some other numbers)
09:18 < Philon> he got blocked
09:18 < Fyre> time to investigate socks!
09:18  * Isarra pours sauce on Pharos.
09:19 < Philon> legoktm: thanks
09:20 < Pharos> Isarra: thanks
09:20 < legoktm> np
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09:21 < Pharos> I hope it's not too sticky
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09:27 < Fyre> I think User:Cancerdoc49 is in COI
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09:31 < TheDruId> Now Pharos is saucy.
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09:34 < Isarra> He's not usually saucy?
09:34 < Pharos> yeah, i'd like to think that Isarra was just replenishing my usual supply
09:35 < GorillaWarfare> Heh
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09:37 < Isarra> It's like how it works in videogames. Someone's thirsty? Pour a bucket of water on them!
09:38 < GorillaWarfare> Isarra: That's not how it works in real life? :<
09:40 < Pharos> I've tried it it's about 15% effective as a method of hydration
09:40 < Pharos> if you have cooperation from tbe subject
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09:47 < legoktm> GorillaWarfare: Have you tried? ;)
09:47 < GorillaWarfare> >.>
09:47 < GorillaWarfare> <.<
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09:57 < Isarra> Let's try some more.
09:57 < Isarra> Never mind original research.
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10:11 < josue> a
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10:12 < josue> hola
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10:13 < Theo10011> Yes, hello
10:13 < NorthFace> Hi Theo10011 :)
10:14 < CrackyWacky> Controversial Canadian doctor Henry Morgentaler is dead.
10:14 < Theo10011> lol
10:14 < NorthFace> Lol
10:14  * NorthFace brings the h
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10:15 < NorthFace> Lol
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10:27 < darev> Hello1
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10:28 < Carly--> Hey darev :)
10:28 < darev> hi, Carly-- :)
10:29 < TheDruId> o/
10:29 < Carly--> :D
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10:29 < Bradford> ._.
10:29  * Carly-- brings cookies
10:30 < darev> oh, wonderful idea :)
10:30 < darev> thank you
10:30 < Carly--> :)
10:31 < Carly--> I am looking up http://www.adidas.cl/originals
10:31 < Carly--> Is cool
10:31 < Carly--> Xd
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10:38 < Bradford> Jetro:  :D
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10:38 < Jetro> Bradford :DDDDDDDD
10:38 < Bradford> :)
10:38 < Bradford> Jetro: Hi, how are you ? :DDDDDDD
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10:48 < Carly--> Mareklug te pondre un /ignore
10:49 < Bradford> :o
10:49 < dtm> wat
10:49 < Bradford> whet
10:50 < Bradford> dtm: :-*
10:50 < Carly--> Lol
10:50 < Carly--> :-* dtm
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10:51 < Bradford> :--*
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10:51 < Theo10011> long nose.
10:52 < Carly--> ®_®
10:52 < Fluffernutter> Carly--, Bradford, you know what we've told you about using this channel for your personal entertainment
10:52 < Bradford> ok
10:53 < Carly--> Only us¿
10:53 < Carly--> :| that's not so fair
10:53 < Bradford> Fluffernutter: +q Bradford
10:53 < Bradford> yes
10:53 < Bradford> pleases
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10:54 < dtm> mareklug: so you can do Appletalk but not TCP/IP, on your asante IIci?
10:55 < dtm> mareklug: also i have a broken Wallstreet II 233 MHz just like what you got.  i maxed out my credit card for it when it was new.  and a broken 400 MHz Pismo
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10:55 < Dragonfly6-7> who here finds it emotionally fulfilling to write articles from scratch?
10:55 < dtm> Dragonfly6-7: me.
10:55 < Carly--> Fluffernutter If you complain so much +q
10:55 < dtm> i've done three, and almost a few more
10:56 < Dragonfly6-7> I wrote one yesterday, and one this morning
10:56 < Dragonfly6-7> and it's just.. research is *fun*, you know?
10:56 < dtm> mareklug: is the lifetime warranty transferrable?!!?!
10:58 < TheDruId> Dragonfly6-7, when I'm in that mode, yes.
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10:59 < Fluffernutter> researching is fun, writing is fun. The step where I compile and organize the research into something that resembles a coherent whole to write about, however, is painful
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11:04 < Dragonfly6-7> that's probably why most of my articles are rather short
11:05 < Dragonfly6-7> easier to keep 'em coherent that way
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11:15 < Isarra> Why can't admins deop themselves? Why do they have to go request it at all?
11:16 < IDoH> Isarra: So they don't do it impulsively, I assume.
11:16 < Sarcasm> are you talking about IRC or wikipedia?
11:16 < Isarra> Wikipedia.
11:16 < Isarra> And can one not impulsively request it as well?
11:17 < Prodego> IMO you should not be able to request it back if you ask it be removed
11:17 < IDoH> True that. Perhaps institute a 24 hour waiting period.
11:17 < Theo10011> heh deop
11:17 < Theo10011> Well, stewards need to do something....
11:17 < Theo10011> burecrats I mean.
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11:20 < BlastHardcheese> because it was originally a software limitation in mediawiki
11:20 < Prodego> not really
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11:22 < BlastHardcheese> yes really
11:23 < Prodego> Eh, there has been an extention to do it for a very long time
11:23 < Prodego> if they had wanted to have that feature in mediawiki it wouldn't have been at all hard to add
11:23 < Prodego> it was a limitation of mediawiki because no one wanted it
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11:25 < BlastHardcheese> well yes, but my point was the reason it's not allowed on wikimedia projects is because it was originally not allowed by the mediawiki programmers
11:25 < BlastHardcheese> and when that limitation was removed the decision was explicitly made to retain the behavior on wikimedia projects
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11:26 < Prodego> Was it ever not allowed? As far as I know no one ever blocked it from being added
11:26 < Prodego> there was just no need for it
11:26 < Prodego> if you don't want your admin rights, just don't use them
11:26 < BlastHardcheese> well it wasn't allowed in that the software, as written, was literally incapable of doing it
11:27 < BlastHardcheese> since the user levels (admin, bureaucrat, steward) were originally hardcoded
11:27 < Prodego> are you talking phase2?
11:27 < TheDruId> Prodego, it's preferred that they're removed, lest someone crack passwords.
11:27 < BlastHardcheese> it might have originated in phase2, but I know early mediawiki still retained that behavior
11:28 < Prodego> TheDruId: meh, that's never happened, so I'm not too worried
11:28 < BlastHardcheese> custom user groups weren't added for a while
11:28 < Prodego> Well yes, that's true, but there is no reason that it would have been difficult to add the ability for those with the admin flag to remove it
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11:31 < BlastHardcheese> I never said it was particularly difficult, just that it wasn't done. I was discussing the origin of the practice.
11:32 < BlastHardcheese> Also to be contrarian, how do you know no one's ever cracked an admin account? Any smart attacker wouldn't go around telling everyone about it.
11:32 < Prodego> I'm just saying that it isn't because of any technical restriction that it wasn't possible, it wasn't possible because there was never consensus for such a thing
11:32 < Prodego> actually I believe someone once did get in to an admin account
11:33 < Prodego> but they may have been given the password rather than breaking it
11:33 < Prodego> which is probably more likely
11:33 < BlastHardcheese> If I wanted to be evil and was able to crack an admin account I'd use it to dredge through deleted pages and give all the juicy stuff to the press to create a big scandal
11:33 < Prodego> there is no juicy stuff though
11:33 < BlastHardcheese> is there really
11:33 < Prodego> it is all 100% boring
11:34 < Prodego> pick a deleted page
11:34 < Prodego> any page
11:34 < BlastHardcheese> also subtly inject malicious code into mediawiki namespace pages, though that would be a more difficult task
11:35 < Prodego> yes, that's the way to do it
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11:35 < Prodego> they will remove that ability some day
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11:42 < mareklug> dtm complete success:  a) both Asante cards are up and running; currently using the Fast one (100T Ethernet).  It flies!  b) Photoshop launches without any problems, c) instlalling PageMaker 6.05 (after I found the license number on install diskette nr 2).  And of course, RAM maxed out at 128 Meg. :) :)   Next phase:  debugging the other IIci.  And my Powerbooks ARE NOT BROKEN.  All Appletalk over Ethernet is working -- all systems see each
11:42 < mareklug>  other and can mount each other's disks.  Plus I have ftp connecting all the machines, including Mac OS X 10.8.3.  So… lots done in a few hours.
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11:47 < Revent> *hrms* What's the 'policy' for when you notice someone who's habitually using AWB to create useless pages to buff their edit count?
11:47 < TheDruId> ?
11:47 < IDoH> Revent: Editcountitis
11:47 < Dragonfly6-7> Revent - who?
11:48 < Revent> This particular person brags on their User page of having over a million edits....I've counted several thousand that were creating 'empty' Talk pages for templates just to put Wikiproject Banners on this (wich is broken use of the banner, and spams unassessed cleanup categories.
11:48 < BlastHardcheese> well you could start by talking to the person maybe
11:49 < TheDruId> Revent, If I understand you correctly, I may disagree.
11:50  * Fluffernutter only knows of two people who have over a million edits, and both of them are heavy AWB users. however, using AWB, even for cosmetic-type changes, isn't always useless or valueless
11:51 < Revent> TheDruld: it's against talk page guidelines to 'create an empty talk page just for future use', and it's counter to the 'docs' for WikiBannerMeta to put them on anything other than article talk pages....
11:52 < Revent> Also, a series of edits like 'add a desc to a category page', 'nominate category for deletion', 'create empty talk page for the category you just nominated for deletion' is pointless...
11:53 < Revent> Especially when you use AWB to do it LITERALLY thousands of times...
11:53 < Dragonfly6-7> so tell him this on his talkpage
11:54 < BlastHardcheese> but how will that get someone to block him
11:54 < Fluffernutter> ...why woul dyou need someone to be blocked just because they make a lot of edits?
11:54 < Shearonink> This thread would be so much more useful with links...
11:55 < Dragonfly6-7> What thread?
11:55 < Shearonink> this million-edits editor...like links to a name
11:55 < Shearonink> this discussion then
11:56 < Dragonfly6-7> Koavf
11:56 < Shearonink> I've never used AWB - maybe i'm missing something
11:57 < Dragonfly6-7> [[The OC wall calendar]]     uh. Thoughts?
11:57 < martijnHH> BlastHardcheese: why do you think that should lead to a block?
11:59 < Shearonink> Dragonfly6-7: non-notable at first glance
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12:00 < Shearonink> and non-notable at second glance
12:00 < Shearonink> Not every homoerotic calendar is notable.
12:01 < BlastHardcheese> martijnHH: I was being facetious
12:01 < martijnHH> BlastHardcheese: ah, carry on then
12:01 < martijnHH> ;)
12:02 < Revent> (sighs) I didn't come in here asking about getting him blocked, people....
12:03 < TheDruId> Revent, I misunderstood, thought you meant the templates on the talk pages, not the template talk pages. All's well.
12:04 < TheDruId> ...and I gotta go, despite a sudden shower, I have to pick up my niece...
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12:04 < Revent> Naah, it's stuff like.....'add a description to a category page'...'nominate page for deletion'...'create talk page for the category you just nomiated for deletion'.....THOUSANDS of times...
12:06 < Revent> He apparently thinks it's his personal mission to create an empty (pointless) talk page for every redirect on wikipedia.
12:06 < Dragonfly6-7> that's legitimate
12:07 < Shearonink> Revent: Doesn't seem to be any specific policy they've breached with their behavior... WP:Editcountitis and WP:Editcount are both opinion pieces, not guidelines or policies.  I suppose you would have to open an RFC on the matter...
12:07 < Shearonink> and what Dragonfly6-7 just said
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12:08 < Revent> Right....homestly, the only way he's violated 'rules' instead of 'guidelines' that I'm aware of is 'using Twinkle to revert good-faith edits with an edit summary of "Why"...'
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12:09 < Revent> (the TW docs specifically say don't pull tht kind of crap)
12:11 < Shearonink> well, he's basically filling up the servers with empty pages that are useless
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12:12 < Revent> Personally, the ony reason I care is because he's also spamming the hell out of the 'unassessed article' categories.
12:12 < Dragonfly6-7> deleting them doesn't make them disappear, though. It just shunts them to the "deleted" subdirectory.
12:12 < Shearonink> If there isn't a policy or guideline about this behavior the only thing I can think of is to open an RFC about the behavior
12:12 < Dragonfly6-7> (which can't be accessed by non-admins)
12:13 < Shearonink> well, maybe if an admin had to revdelete them (or whatever) to wipe them off the servers completely then maybe it might be seen as something serious
12:13 < Fluffernutter> there's something to be said for asking someone that prolific to get a bot flag, to cut down on watchlist/recent changes spam
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12:14 < Shearonink> I hear all the time about how WP's servers are creaking along and how we don;t have enough resources...if this type of behavior is eating up scarce resources, then it becomes important
12:14 < Shearonink> and what Fluffernutter just said
12:14 < Revent> *nods* FWIW, I've specifically been told by an admin that it's a cleaner solution to 'redirect' talk pages for redirects (he's made tons of those) than try to G8 delete them, and him using Twinkle to revert me to defend 'his' pointless redirect is really irritating.
12:15 < Revent> (I'm not 'stalking' him or anything, I'm trying to clean up backlogged error tracking categories)
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12:15 < kondi> zz_YuviPanda: ping
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12:18 < Revent> Just to make the point, a quote from his talk page...."Thanks for flooding my talk page with fifty image deletion notices - I think ONE message probably could have done the trick. Likewise, when you flood my talk page you also flood my email with stupid alerts from Wikipedia telling EACH TIME you do it."
12:18  * Fyre is near Glens Falls!
12:19 < martijnHH> Revent: I found it's best to avoid that kind of passive agressive tone
12:19 < Revent> *nods* Point being he's irritated quite a few people with the same type of things...
12:19 < martijnHH> it you are annoyed, tell him you found that annoying, and ask him to change his behaviour rather than just express your annoyance
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12:19 < Revent> *did*
12:20 < martijnHH> (note how telling people you find some action they did annoying works far better then telling them they are being annoying: address the behaviour, not the person)
12:21 < Revent> Actually, most of my response was specifically addressing his question of 'why' in his revert....though I did specifically point out how he causes problems....
12:22 < Revent> My 'annoyance' is mostly with the 'abuse' of anti-vandalism tools to revert good faith edits...
12:23 < martijnHH> well, from your talk here I gather you find it at least somewhat annoying he is doing other things too.
12:23 < Revent> (and yes, that is specifically describes as 'abuse' in the docs for those tools)
12:23 < Fyre> train just stopped in Glens Falls
12:24 < martijnHH> I don't care what the docs specifically say
12:24 < martijnHH> it's just words on a webpage
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12:24 < Revent> Using Twinkle like that is being needlessly offensive (as it implies the other editor is a vandal).
12:25 < martijnHH> yes. And it is wrong. And it's fine to note that, and tell him that
12:25 < martijnHH> but bringing in some rules on some page
12:25  * martijnHH shrugs
12:26 < Revent> *chuckles* More a matter of 'and here's where it's pointed out' than being a wikilawyer, at least as I intended it.
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12:28 < Revent> *notes that he has /repeatedly/ been blocked for 3RR, and with block reasons such as "Please slow down with AWB. Get a bot if you want to edit that fast. Consider this a warning block." yet is still a rollbacker.
12:29 < martijnHH> hrm, I do want to look at that
12:29 < martijnHH> linky?
12:29 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&action=view&type=block&page=User:Koavf
12:30 < martijnHH> 2010 last block
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12:30 < martijnHH> before that 2008
12:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> two gay men married in notre dame, obama unhurt
12:30 < Revent> Ye, it's an 'old' history....he's learned to avoid the block but it still doing the 'mass edits' he got in trouble for...
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12:30 < Fyre> and the train just moved again
12:30 < Revent> *blocks*
12:30 < George-Carlin> Shit Piss Fuck Cunt Cocksucker Motherfucker Tits
12:31 < Fluffernutter> that's nice, dear
12:31 < Fyre> next stop is in Saratoga Springs.
12:31 < Fyre> *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep*
12:31 < Revent> He's just spamming his edit count in a different way in 'unwatched' namespaces....
12:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> George-Carlin why so juvinile?
12:32 < IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: Cus he wants attention, that's why
12:32 < George-Carlin> ToAruShiroiNeko: Those are the seven forbidden words I invented.
12:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not really
12:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> forbidden words are not to be uttered
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12:34 < George-Carlin> Shit Piss Fuck Cunt Cocksucker Motherfucker Tits
12:35 < Revent> Editing (just counted) over 25 pages in less than four minutes (by someone who's been blocked for editing too fast with AWB)....*sigh*
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12:35 < IDoH> Thanks, Fluffernutter
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12:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :(
12:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he was reducing the age average of the server :(
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12:38 < Revent> He doesn't need 'blocked' (he does good faith edits) but he needs AWB taken away.
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12:41 < Prodego> Revent: have you talked to him about it?
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12:41 < Revent> I left him a message...
12:42 < IDoH> Prodego: People have blocked him for this.
12:42 < kondi> Where's iDM when you feel like bugging him
12:42 < Revent> But from other complaints on his talk page, and his responses, I don't expect him to listen...
12:42 < IDoH> kondi: I know, but I'm not telling. ;-)
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12:43 < kondi> IDoH: if you're referring to his physical location then I know that
12:43 < IDoH> kondi: I wasn't referring to that.
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12:47 < kondi> :\
12:47 < Moskau> UTCL: What do you need one for?
12:48 -!- iDM [b6b22c1b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.178.44.27] has joined #wikipedia-en
12:48 < iDM> Knock, knock.
12:48 < Mark-Potter> Who's there?
12:48 < iDM> Canoe.
12:48 < Mark-Potter> Canoe who?
12:48 < iDM> Canoe help me with my homework?
12:48 < Mark-Potter> HAHAHAHHAHAHA
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12:48 < Mark-Potter> lol
12:48  * Mark-Potter laughs out loud
12:49  * Mark-Potter laughs so hard he scares his donkey
12:49  * BlastHardcheese puts a sock in Mark-Potter's mouth
12:49 < iDM> Okay.... then. Where you the guy with Windows issue?
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12:49  * Mark-Potter shoots BlastHardcheese after removing the sock
12:49 < Mark-Potter> iDM: I think that's me
12:49 < Mark-Potter> Or is it?
12:49 < kondi> iDM is here!
12:50 < iDM> How is that going for you? And what brings you here?
12:50 < BlastHardcheese> I feel bad for ya son, got 99 problems but Windows ain't one
12:50  * iDM duct tapes BlastHardcheese.
12:50 < Mark-Potter> Yeah, good one iDM
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12:51 < Revent> *rolls* We have an article on 'whiteness studies'
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12:51 < iDM> whitness?
12:51 < iDM> So Fix it...
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12:51  * iDM gives Jamesofur a creepy look.
12:51 < Revent> Yup....with times of refs....it's just 'funny'.
12:51 < Revent> *tons*
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12:52 < martijnHH> what's that template again that marks citations that don't support the referenced statement?
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12:53 < Revent> I'd just remove the cite (commenting it keeps the 'data') and {{cn}} it....explain in the edit summary.
12:53 < UTCL> so...any CUs around?
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12:54  * iDM hugs Pharos 
12:55 < Revent> *errs after digging* {{citation broken}} is specific to that, tho...
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12:56 < iDM> Revent: I think thats what he meant
12:56 < Revent> *maybe*
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12:57 < martijnHH> I think there is a better one, but this suffices
12:57 < Fyre> now the train is enroute to  Schenectady, NY!
12:57 < JohnLewis> martijnHH: I think it is {{Failed verification}}
12:58 < martijnHH> yes, that's the one
12:58 < JohnLewis> :)
12:58 < martijnHH> thanks JohnLewis
12:58 < JohnLewis> Welcome
12:58 < martijnHH> your nick is a proverbial bitch to autocomplete :/
12:58 < Revent> Nice find....that's 'well hidden'. :)
12:59 < JohnLewis> martijnHH: I trained mine to auto complete to that after typing Joh :P
12:59 < JohnLewis> I don't know how though :/
13:00 < Revent> (it's a client thing)
13:01 < Sarcasm> Is it bad form to nominate something for GAN when you know it's not ready, but expect to have a good amount of time to improve it before a review rolls around?
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13:02 < Sarcasm> ie. preemptively nominate it so it's higher up in the queue while you continue to improve it
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13:03 < JohnLewis> Sarcasm: There is no queue.
13:03 < JohnLewis> Within one day of you submitting, it can be revieiwed or you may have to wait a month or three.
13:04 < Sarcasm> Indeed. It seems closer to a few months to me.
13:04 < Sarcasm> Not to mention I've seen some nominations with {{cn}}s
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13:08 < Fyre> now the train is enroute to  Schenectady, NY!
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13:09 < iDM> Well good night people
13:09 < Fyre> good night :)
13:09 < Carly--> Night :)
13:09 < Fyre> need a kiss?
13:09 -!- iDM is now known as iDangerMouse
13:10 < Carly--> O.O
13:10  * Carly-- faints
13:10 < iDangerMouse> Fyre: um let me think about it.
13:10 < Fyre> how bout never :)
13:10 < Revent> *lols* When every single one of an author's books has a seven-digit publisher in the ISBN, that's kinda evidence of not being notable in a way...
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13:11 < iDangerMouse> Fyre: How about giving me 120 CAD instead.
13:11 < Revent> (a seven digit ISBN is a publisher who's expeced to produce less than 10 books by the ISBN peeps)
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13:11 < Fyre> iDangerMouse: nah, would you like 40 bitcoins instead?
13:11 < Revent> *er publisher code(
13:11 < iDangerMouse> Fyre: I'd buy Revent a book then why not.
13:11 < Fyre> sure , let me do it, gimme your bitcoin address but then
13:12 < Fyre> i took a arrow to the knee
13:12 < iDangerMouse> No.
13:12 < Dragonfly6-7> Fyre - did you read the explanation of how much it costs to mine a bitcoin?
13:12 < Fyre> Dragonfly6-7: already had.
13:12 < iDangerMouse> Hello Dragonfly6-7, but bad timing :(
13:12 < Fyre> no need to be anal about it
13:13 < Dragonfly6-7> An April 2013 estimate[102] showed that the amount of energy being used every day to mine bitcoins was equivalent to the amount capable of powering about 31,000 American homes. This was estimated to be about USD $147,000 worth of energy. In comparison, profits made from a day's worth of bitcoin mining were given at about $681,000.
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13:13 < Fyre> Like i said, no need to be anal about it
13:14 < Prodego> of course those 'profits' are somewhat artificial
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13:15 < Fyre> hmm
13:15 < Fyre> we're 20 minutes early
13:15 < iDangerMouse> Well, time to go. Laters.
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13:17 < Revent> Second opinion.....when I'm fixing ISBNs and come acress a book that was actually /printed/ with a bad ISBN, I'm taking it out of the actual 'cite' and adding a mention as a <small> note at the end of the ref with a <nowiki> wrapped mention of it (to avoid errors)...
13:17 < Revent> There's no 'guidance'....that sound reasonable?
13:18 < Revent> (the bad ISBNs are 'googleable' but they won't work in booksources, etc)
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13:20 < Revent> Mostly a 'raise your hand if you'd be annoyed if I did it that way to /your/ article'. :)
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13:37 < a930913> Need an acronym for a web based antivandal tool. Currently trying to make WAVE - Web AntiVandal E??
13:37 < Revent> *would like, at some point, to make an 'SBN/ISBN-10 fixer bot'...scary, tho....talking probably the better part of a million edits...
13:38 < foks> a930913, Engine?
13:39 < martijnHH> YAAVT?
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13:40 < Revent> Program Intended to Stop Stupidity - Offerred For Free :P
13:40 < Revent> i.o.w. "PISS-OFF"
13:41 < Revent> (is totally kidding)
13:41 < a930913> foks: Works for me :) Ta.
13:41 < foks> \o/
13:41 < carniePOI> huh?
13:42 < kondi> I like the one Revent suggested.
13:42 < carniePOI> he needs a bag?
13:42 < Revent> *snickers* Naah, fixed that last night. :P
13:42 < carniePOI> LOL
13:43 < carniePOI> where did you put him?
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13:43 < carniePOI> Ft. Dick
13:43 < Revent> *lol* Naah, the other kind. To quote Walter (from Fringe) "I have a prescription." :P
13:44 < carniePOI> in five different places you say?
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13:44 < carniePOI> where's his belly?
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13:45 < carniePOI> did it get poked by mister splinters?
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13:45 < Revent> Ok, you lost me totally now... :/
13:45 < Bradford> O_O
13:45 < carniePOI> I hope it got poked by mister splinters...
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13:47 < carniePOI> let's just say that mister splinters is an old-fashioned broom handle
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13:47 < carniePOI> huh?
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13:47 < carniePOI> what?
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13:47 < Revent> Oh, lol...
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13:48 < carniePOI> mister splinters is reversable. all his bristles fell out and so now he wears a metal helmet.
13:49 < Revent> Can I ask one of you more 'content type' peeps for a favor? Ugly table formatting in a article I ran across, prob easy to 'fix' but not my thing...
13:49 < carniePOI> I like to plug that end into a curling-iron for extra kicks
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13:49 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_and_Portuguese_Jews#Communities.2C_past_and_present
13:49 < Revent> If someone wants to mess with it....needs 'headers' inside the table instead of...what, 20+ sections...
13:49 < carniePOI> tables you say? the kind you fall off of but your feet never touch the ground?
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13:50 < carniePOI> huh?
13:50 < Revent> You'd get it if you loked at it.
13:50 < Revent> *looked*
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13:50 < carniePOI> let's all get cremated you say?
13:51 < Revent> I just don't know without digging into the docs how to do it....never screw with tables.
13:51 < carniePOI> oh, clean the kitchen you say?
13:51 < carniePOI> scrubs and dubs...
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13:53 < carniePOI> LOL...
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13:53 < carniePOI> wheezes...
13:53 < Butters> ._.
13:54 < carniePOI> where's my microphone?
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13:54 < niza> Lol
13:55 < carniePOI> what about "ride the bike" ? got one of those?
13:55 -!- niza is now known as carly
13:56 < carniePOI> mister splinters thinks he's a seat
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13:57 < carniePOI> green lines beware!
13:58 < carly> ...
13:58 < carniePOI> c-4?
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13:59 < carly> carniePOI what happen
13:59 < carniePOI> shine on
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14:00 < carniePOI> huh? whatzit? back-talkin'?
14:01 < carniePOI> show off my keys you want? is that it?
14:02 < carly> ._.
14:02 < carniePOI> my engine-block will surely melt...and...uh...em...
14:03 < carniePOI> so will everyone elses...
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14:05 < carniePOI> what, you mean it gets very hot outside?
14:05 < carniePOI> but why?
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14:06 < carniePOI> can you number the stars?
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14:07 < carniePOI> I see a cloud of many stars, burning...or, well...at least its possible
14:08 < carniePOI> heavy metal
14:08 < carniePOI> headed from...east to west
14:09 < carniePOI> er, em...far west to far east
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14:09 < carniePOI> east of cali
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14:09 < carniePOI> west of ft. knox
14:10 < Sonja> any admins in the house?
14:10 < carniePOI> huh?
14:10 < carniePOI> I can move him if you want...
14:10 < Sonja> !admin <request>
14:11 < Writ_Keeper> uh?
14:11 < Guerillero> sup
14:11 < JohnLewis> Sonja: By <request> it means your actual request.
14:11 < Sonja> :P
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14:11 < carniePOI> head-tilts?
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14:11 < carniePOI> guitar-stringin' you say?
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14:12 < carniePOI> how many?
14:12 < carniePOI> (evil grin: all of them)
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14:13 < carniePOI> huh?
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14:13 < carniePOI> popeyes!
14:14 < carniePOI> the day is long.........
14:14 < foks> what on god's green earth are you chatting about
14:15 < Carly> Lol
14:15 < carniePOI> huh? whatzit?!?!?! (fell off his chair)
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14:15 < Carly> I see you're talking to yourself
14:15 < carniePOI> (don't worry, my feet landed on the ground)
14:16 < carniePOI> they were slackin'...
14:16 < carniePOI> the should have broken my fingers...
14:16 < carniePOI> lol
14:16 < Carly> Ah?
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14:17 < carniePOI> *they*
14:17 < carniePOI> the evil ones...
14:17 < carniePOI> 1-800-top-secret
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14:19 < carniePOI> why?
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14:19 < carniePOI> huh?
14:19 < carniePOI> whodunnit?
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14:21 < carniePOI> computer.hal.pictures[dirty]
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14:22 < carniePOI> a stand you say?
14:22 < carniePOI> where will my feet end up?
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14:23 < carniePOI> PETROGRAD! is that you?
14:23 < Carly> ._.
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14:24 < carniePOI> global const HELLO&
14:24 < carniePOI> 1
14:25 < carniePOI> chr_offset(000)
14:25 < carniePOI> 0
14:26 < carniePOI> somewhere in India all the automobile cpu's caught
14:26 < carniePOI> a virus
14:26 < foks> carniePOI, please stop
14:26 < carniePOI> satellite radio will do it every time
14:26  * Carly ...
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14:27 < carniePOI> buh bye boozwah
14:27 < Carly> Is someone ignoring.me? That I.cant who u are talking to lol
14:27 < Carly> carniePOI ?
14:27 < carniePOI> I can't hear you sweat pea
14:27 < Carly> O.o
14:28 < Carly> carniePOI where are you from? :)
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14:28 < carniePOI> I'm flabbergasted
14:29 < carniePOI> crybaby
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14:31 < Butters> ._.
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14:33 < Butters> Carly:  cómo guardo alguna foto de imstagram?
14:33 < Butters> para guardarla en mi pc
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14:34 < Carly> butters ?
14:34 < Carly> Uh
14:34 < Carly> Butters pm
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14:36 < darev> n8
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14:38 < Carly> Someone know how to save an Instagram Photo?
14:39 < IDoH> On Wikipedia?
14:40 < Carly> No.I meant to download the picture
14:40 < QueenOfFrance> right click
14:40 < IDoH> No idea.
14:40 < QueenOfFrance> save picture as...
14:40 < Carly> Thanks
14:41 < Carly> Djmalik Right click (click derecho) y click on Guardar como
14:42 < Carly> QueenOfFrance it looks like not work
14:42 < DJMalik> I'm sorry , but that's no good
14:42 < Dragonfly6-7> screenshot?
14:42 < DJMalik> I get only save as web page or html
14:43 < Dragonfly6-7> try a screenshot
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14:44 < DJMalik> :/
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14:44 < Carly> I will have to open my Instagram one sec
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14:45 < Dragonfly6-7> A screenshot is guaranteed to work. It may not give you the same resolution,. but it will work.
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14:46 < Carly> Djmalik if the edited photo is yours,the copy should be saved in your phone or laptop
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14:48 < Carly> Lol
14:49 < Bradford> Carly:  http://free-instagram-downloader.softonic.com/descargar
14:49 < Bradford> is the only way to download
14:50 < Carly> I am not using a computer Bradford
14:50 < Bradford> ok
14:50 < Eric101> asperger syndrome should me moved to "autism spectrum" since it's diagnosis is eliminated.  why is there still an article on the English Wikipedia? how can someone be diagnosed with Asperger syndrome if the diagnosis is eliminated? so no one can ever be diagnosed with asperger syndrome ever again.
14:51 < Carly> I have the app on my smartphone
14:51 < Carly> Bradford (Carly) Djmalik if the edited photo is yours,the copy should be saved in your phone or laptop
14:51 < Carly> Review the folder "Instagram" bradford
14:51 < BlastHardcheese> why is there still an article on smallpox, smallpox has been eliminated, no one can be diagnosed with smallpox ever again
14:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> how do you eliminate a diagnosis?
14:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Eric101 then it would be historic
14:52 < Bradford> |:
14:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> BlastHardcheese not true
14:52 < IDoH> Eric101: Does it still exist in the ICD-9/10 codes, though?
14:53 < Carly> Bradford sorry I dont have the app on my laptop
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14:53 < Bradford> Carly:  dowload on laptop
14:53 < Bradford> :D
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14:54 < Carly> Bradford look in google or visit the help website about Instagram?
14:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> both russia and US has smallpox stockpiles
14:55 < Bradford> okay
14:55 < Carly> Bradford I dont get access to my laptop,sorry
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14:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> who has smallpox too probably
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14:59 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: Britain has smallpox too.
15:00 < Carly> Bradford what funny does Instagram?
15:01 < Carly> I have the app and dont see sense
15:01 < Bradford> ok
15:01 < Carly> Have*
15:02 < Carly> Ok what?
15:02 < Carly> I didnt ask something
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15:07 < Carly> Desde ese dia en que te vi,yo senti que iba a morir,no hubo palabras solo miradas,mi corazon comenzo a latir
15:07 < Carly> Uh o.O
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15:41 < GorillaWarfare> Gah
15:41 < GorillaWarfare> So annoying
15:41 < IDoH|huggle> What, GorillaWarfare? Connectivity issues?
15:42 < GorillaWarfare> Trying to re-set up irssi
15:42 < GorillaWarfare> And my nickname wasn't releasing, which was annoying
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15:58 < Dragonfly6-7> !oversight
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16:03 < a930913> Is huggle not working for anybody else?
16:05 < IDoH|huggle> a930913: It doesn't seem to be reverting edits on my end
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16:06 < a930913> IDoH|huggle: I can't even log in.
16:06 -!- IDoH|huggle is now known as IDoH
16:06 < IDoH> a930913: you use a mac?
16:06 < a930913> IDoH: Nope.
16:06 < IDoH> Ah.
16:06 < IDoH> When I had problems like that, I just restarted huggle
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16:07 < a930913> IDoH: How do you run huggle on a mac? Wine?
16:07 < IDoH> a930913: Yeah, wine
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16:08 < a930913> IDoH: Can one do it without having to brown nose apple?
16:08 < IDoH> a930913: I don't care about apple.
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16:09 < GorillaW1rfare> Ha
16:09 < GorillaW1rfare> Oh
16:09 < GorillaW1rfare> :(
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16:09 < IDoH> GorillaW1rfare: What's funny/sad?
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16:10 < Farby> Lol
16:10 < IDoH> GorillaWarfare: Hi! You're normal again!
16:11 < Farby> Idoh hi :)
16:11 < GorillaWarfare> That was a victorious "ha'
16:11 < GorillaWarfare> But then I realized the problem wasn't fixed
16:11 < IDoH> GorillaWarfare: What was the problem?
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16:12 < GorillaWarfare> I don't know, it might just be because Freenode isn't releasing my nick in time
16:12  * GorillaWarfare shrugs
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16:12 < GorillaWarfare> Everyone knows where I live anyway, so s'not a huge deal if my IP is shown for a bit
16:13 < Farby> I dont know where you live :|
16:13 < a930913> IDoH: How do I run huggle on a mac? (So I can try figure out what's wrong.)
16:13 < GorillaWarfare> a930913: You install Windows :P
16:13 < IDoH> Ha ha ha, GorillaWarfare.
16:13 < GorillaWarfare> Farby: Bawwston
16:13 < a930913> GorillaWarfare: It's not working on windows >.>
16:14 < GorillaWarfare> a930913: Well, it's *really* not going to work on a Mac :P
16:14 < a930913> GorillaWarfare: Yeah, but it's working for IDoH.
16:14 < IDoH> GorillaWarfare: It usually works with me, and I use a Mac.
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16:14 < IDoH> a930913: Follow the instructions here carefully. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Huggle/Wine
16:14 < Farby> Gorilla what¿
16:15 < GorillaWarfare> IDoH: Natively?
16:15 < GorillaWarfare> Oh, Wine
16:15 < GorillaWarfare> Farby: Hm?
16:15 < IDoH> Yeah, Wine.
16:15  * GorillaWarfare nods
16:15 < GorillaWarfare> I might try to set it up on this on Wine
16:15 < IDoH> Can't wait until Huggle 3.0 comes out, and I don't have to use Wine anymore. :-)
16:15  * Farby shrugs
16:16 < GorillaWarfare> Hopefully I can get that and AWB going on here, and I won't have to reboot to Windows every time I want to do some mindless editing :P
16:17 < IDoH> GorillaWarfare, since you can code, can you please, please, please with Huggle 3.0 development?
16:17 < Revent> GorillaWarfare: What linux do you run?
16:17 < GorillaWarfare> IDoH: I've never written a line of C# in my life
16:17 < GorillaWarfare> Revent: Debian Wheezy
16:17 < IDoH> Darn it
16:17 < GorillaWarfare> IDoH: Plus I'm a *bit* busy with other projects these days
16:18 < IDoH> :-(
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16:18 < Revent> Oh, lol...you're feedback won't help me much, then....I'm wondering how much hell I would have with AWB...
16:18 < JustBerry> Gorilla, is your irc client okay?
16:20 < GorillaWarfare> Revent: Well I also use it on a Mac and Windows 7
16:20 < Bsadowski1> Use HexChat =D
16:21 < Bsadowski1> \o/
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16:21 < IDoH> Use textual IRC on a mac, GorillaWarfare
16:21 < JustBerry> GorillaWarfare: There appeared to be an impersonator on irc.
16:21 < Revent> GorillaWarfare: It's more that I'm a 'custom compiled' PREEMT SMP gentoo....
16:22 < Farby> Lol
16:23 < GorillaWarfare> JustBerry: It will be, once I slap it around a bit
16:24 < GorillaWarfare> IDoH: I don't use my Mac much these days
16:24 < IDoH> GorillaWarfare: Oh, okay.
16:24 < GorillaWarfare> JustBerry: Was this impersonator saying anyuthing?
16:24 < JustBerry> I messaged you.
16:24 < GorillaWarfare> Indeedy
16:24 < GorillaWarfare> fwiw, it was probably me
16:24 < Koi> GorillaWarfare: stop socking >:(
16:25 < Farby> Lol
16:27 < GorillaWarfare> Koi: :<
16:27 < Koi> GorillaWarfare: I'm kidding :)
16:27 < a930913> IDoH: Stuck on "Retrieving user whitelist..."
16:27 < Koi> <3
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16:27 < GorillaWarfare> Koi: I know, haha.
16:27 < Koi> GorillaWarfare: oh ok good. Don't want to hurt any feelings.
16:27 < IDoH> a930913: That didn't happen to me last time I opened juggle.
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16:30 < Revent> Specifically, if anyone knows, what I'm wondering is if AWB will work under '-march=atom'
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16:46 < Dcoetzee> Hey is anyone around who could help with a research experiment? I just need someone to fill out a spreadsheet, shouldn't take more than 15, 20 minutes. :-)
16:48 < Koi> Dcoetzee: what is it about.
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16:49 < Dcoetzee> I just need people to look at some sentences from posts in a forum and determine whether or not they are appeals for help
16:49 < Koi> o.O
16:49 < Dcoetzee> 274 of them
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17:23 < JustBerry> I'll help, why not?
17:24 < JustBerry> Dcoetzee: Have you already found someone?
17:24 < Dcoetzee> JustBerry: I have
17:24 < Dcoetzee> Thanks anyway
17:24 < JustBerry> Dcoetzee: Okay :)
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17:28 < Dragonfly6-7> Dcoetzee
17:28  * IDoH|NPP pokes Dragonfly6-7
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17:34 < Bradford> ._.
17:35 < Dragonfly6-7> what is it, IDOH
17:36 < IDoH|NPP> Just being a little annoying, since you pinged Dcoetzee without a message.
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17:38 < Dragonfly6-7> I've been speaking with him in msg for several minutes
17:41 < Dcoetzee> He already quit
17:43 < Dragonfly6-7> I've told IRC to display quit messages in the status window, so as to not clutter the channel
17:43 < a930913> Bah, can't we add an abusefilter that stops any addition of content that doesn't contain a cite? :D
17:47 < Shirik> can we? yes
17:47 < Shirik> Should we? no
17:47 < Shirik> it would be so insanely expensive that it would make edits extremely painful
17:48 < Prodego> Shirik is the greatest thing
17:48 < Swarlley> GorillaWarfare: this is huge
17:48 < Shirik> :D
17:48 < Prodego> he does all the things I would for me
17:48 < Swarlley> and the resolution is magical
17:51 < Dragonfly6-7> We'd need strong AI to do that
17:51 < Dragonfly6-7> and if we had strong AI, then forcing it to filter Wikipedia edits would be illegal
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18:12 < GorillaWarfare> Swarlley: ?
18:13 < Swarlley> GorillaWarfare: it's more than double my previous monitor
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18:16 < GorillaWarfare> Swarlley: Ohh
18:16 < GorillaWarfare> What size is it?
18:17 < Swarlley> 23 inches
18:17  * GorillaWarfare high fives
18:17 < Jasper_Deng> Swarlley: "more than double my previous monitor" <--
18:17 < GorillaWarfare> That's how big mine are :D
18:17 < Jasper_Deng> that does not say much
18:17 < Jasper_Deng> unless you say which quantity is doubled
18:17 < Prodego> its over 9000
18:17 < Swarlley> Jasper_Deng: actually it does
18:18 < Jasper_Deng> you could mean double screen length
18:18 < Jasper_Deng> or you could mean double pixel count
18:18 < Swarlley> right.
18:18 < Jasper_Deng> you could mean double volume
18:18 < Jasper_Deng> these have different implications
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18:19 < GorillaWarfare> Jasper_Deng: I personally interpreted it to mean that if you add up the atomic numbers of all the elements used to make his new monitor, they're twice those of his old one.
18:19 < Swarlley> but having something two times whatever you interpreted it as means that it is probably shockingly better.
18:19 < GorillaWarfare> Swarlley: Weight? :P
18:19 < Swarlley> well, you could interpret it that way
18:19 < GorillaWarfare> "twice as bad"?
18:19 < Swarlley> but that doesn't make it magicla
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18:23 < dtm_> mareklug: lots done, yeah.... for what reason, who knows?  ;)  /me hands mareklug a [[Basilisk II]]
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18:56 < mareklug> now the IIci has two Ethernet cards from Asante working at the same time, one in Ethernet 2 slot, and one in Ethernet 3 slot.  The Ethernet 2 card is a 10base2 card (it also has 10baseT RJ-45 jack, but I have it right now on thinnet/BNC connector) and maintains the Appletalk with the other Mac OS 8.1 and two Mac OS 9.2.2 powerbooks.  All these machines on that sub-intranet can do drag-and-drop and mount each others disks.  The Ethernet3 card
18:56 < mareklug>  is the Asante Fast Nubus Ethernet 100/10, and it is now doing 100T and downloading a debian 7 iso image (for my Pentium 4 dualboot XP/Debian 6.0.6).  It is using Fetch 2.1.2 to do this and is downloading from California.  The in-progress speed is 47 KB/sec  or 0.36 Mbps
18:56 < mareklug> dtm_ ^
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19:00 < mareklug> dtm_ by the way, support@assante.com was useless.  One sentence reply that unfortunately this gear has been discontinued.  I bet I know now more about configuring their NuBus products than their current technical support
19:02 < GabrielF> you're using 10base2 on a mac Iici and you're complaining about sub megabit speeds?
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19:02 < mareklug> GabrielF obviously you did not read carefully what I wrote.
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19:02 < kylu> mareklug: thought about asking them if they'd like to hire you for the occasional one-off project?
19:03 < mareklug> I have TWO ethernet cards in the box, going simultaneously.  One is 10base2 for local Appletalk, and the other is Fast Ethernet, currently downloading from debian ftp repository via my cable modem and Time Capsule router
19:03 < mareklug> both use ethernet, the Appletalk uses appletalk over ethernet.
19:04 < GabrielF> ok, but the Iici is what, a 33MHz machine? that could be your bottleneck
19:04 < mareklug> the IIci is a Motorola 68030 CPU clocked at 25 MHz. :) :) :)
19:04 < mareklug> it is 1989 vintage.
19:04 < GabrielF> yeah I just looked it up :)
19:04 < GabrielF> 33MHz was not a bad guess
19:05 < mareklug> htere is a DayStar accelerator for it that bumps it up to 50 MHz, but the guy wants 60 dollars for it and I offerend 30. :)
19:06 < mareklug> i think Fetch 2.1.1 is the main bottle neck here.  Also, I have not tuned the card with Assante tools to optimise MTU and the like.
19:06 < mareklug> kylu :)
19:08 < GabrielF> I'm trying to figure out how to get the wikipedia xml dump into S3
19:08 < GabrielF> I could download it to my machine and then upload it but (a) I'm low on disk space and (b) I'd like to see if there's a faster way
19:09 < mareklug> Incidentally, extending your wireless n-grade network consisting of a Time Capsule 4th generation and a Time Capsule 2nd generation acting in bridge mode dropped my wireless WLAN speedtest from 56 Mbps download / 11 Mbps upload to 32 Mbps download / 10 Mbps upload.  Imagine that.
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19:09 < mareklug> the radios basically interfere with one another.  If you switch the extening Time Capsule's radio off, you get optimal bandwidth.
19:10 < GabrielF> don't you live in a big city? I'm surprised that you were able to get 56Mbps at all
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19:11 < mareklug> GabrielF comcast blast service is really optimally configured here in Chicago.  It is their showcase.  They provision for 50/10 but deliver well in excess of that on the download side and 1 Mbps over on the upload.
19:11 < Swob> chicaog is one of the three hub cities for US internet
19:11 < Swob> as my Chicagoan computer science teacher was very proud of  saying
19:11 < Swob> NYC and LA are the others (or maybe it is San Fran)
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19:12 < mareklug> yeah.  our mayor Rahm Emanuel is hell-bent on wiring/wirelessing the entire city at Gigabit speeds.
19:12 < GabrielF> I thought there were also a lot of peering points in northern virginia
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19:13 < mareklug> GabrielF Apple has certainly made South Carolina data centers very high throughput.
19:13 < GabrielF> AWS East Coast is in Reston, VA
19:13 < Swob> whats AWS?
19:13 < Swob> oh
19:13 < Swob> Amazon
19:14 < Swob> yeah Virginia is trying to make the DC suburbs into another Silicon Valley
19:14 < Swob> the two counties nearest DC have median household incomes above $100000 ... highest in the nation, even above California
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19:15 < Swob> i think their population has doubled in just 15 years
19:15 < wctaiwan> mareklug: Have I linked you to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJYVH_kZkOk before?
19:16 < mareklug> no, but I know the music
19:16 < wctaiwan> it's a good rendition.
19:17 < mareklug> GabrielF I maxed out the ram on the IIci --128 MiB.  No point running virutal memory anymore and tax the poor CPU. :)
19:17 < mareklug> the system takes 5 meg and slowly expands from there.
19:18 < GabrielF> I bet that would have cost a fortune in 1990
19:18 < mareklug> it was not available in 1990
19:18 < mareklug> 12 sticks of 16 meg cost 84 (half price, negotiated on Ebay, the memory is new, lifetime guaranteed)
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19:19 < wctaiwan> is the company that made the memory still around?
19:19 < mareklug> I  have 4 left over, but the other IIci is still sick. Probably PRAM battery dead and prevents enough juice to the hard drive (known to be fine on the working IIci)
19:20 < Swob> what's a IIci?
19:20 < mareklug> wctaiwan the company that made my memory is 1-800-memory out of China, and they make the thing in real time today. :)
19:20 < Swob> is that a pre-Macinotsh Apple liek the //c?
19:20 < mareklug> as well as all other forms and factors of old ram
19:20 < Swob> no
19:20 < Swob> its a Mac
19:20 < Swob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IIci
19:20 < Swob> theyre just using the //c name I guess
19:20 < mareklug> Swob it is the last compact Macintosh II, before the Quadra line.
19:21 < GabrielF> huh, AWS has a service where you can physically ship them hard drives and they'll load the data for you
19:21 < mareklug> with which it shares the logic board and other goodies.
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19:21 < wctaiwan> GabrielF: cue Dcoetzee :p
19:21 < Dcoetzee> Huh what now
19:21 < mareklug> Swob no.  Apple IIa/b/e  and Macintosh IIcx/ci are different names.
19:22 < Dcoetzee> GabrielF: That is awesome
19:22 < wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: you were talking last time about how shipping physical drives was a cheap and viable form of data transfer
19:22 < GabrielF> sneakernet
19:22 < Dcoetzee> It is... although it depends on the amount of data and the place where it is going
19:22 < mareklug> remember there was Macintosh I, Macintosh Plus, Macintosh SE and Macintosh SE30, before there was a Macintosh II.
19:22 < wctaiwan> and of surprisingly low latency.
19:22 < Swob> do they still have "Apple" keys on the keyboards on today's Macs?
19:22 < wctaiwan> amortised.
19:22 < Dcoetzee> Yes
19:22 < wctaiwan> Swob: nope
19:22 < mareklug> of course they do.  it is called the command key
19:22 < Dcoetzee> However, it works best in places where data transfer is expensive
19:22 < Swob> y'all disagree with each other?
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19:22 < wctaiwan> no more "apple" symbol though.
19:23 < Swob> oh OK then no
19:23 < GabrielF> when they were filming Lord of the Rings they had someone fly from NZ to London every week or so with footage on an iPod for scoring people
19:23 < wctaiwan> the key is still there, Swob, but the apple symbol is no longer present next to the clover thingy
19:23 < Dcoetzee> Amazon's solution is only really viable if you either live in Africa or New Zealand, or you have a tremendously huge amount of data
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19:23 < mareklug> it does not have the Apple symbol but it has the prezel ideogram.  same as on the old keyboards that had both.
19:23 < Dcoetzee> But there are some legitimate use cases in that
19:24 < Dcoetzee> My proposed business though wasn't just about shipping hard drives, it was about combining orders for data, shipping drives containing all the orders, and then shipping out individual orders on burned CDs and DVDs
19:25 < Dcoetzee> (or Blurays, or Flash drives)
19:25 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: Amazon Web Services?
19:25 < Swob> one of my classmates looked at mefunny when i told him to press "Open Apple C"
19:25 < Swob> (or some similar ything)
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19:25 < mareklug> huh.  Detroit, Chicago tied 1:1 in the 3rd period of game 7 in Chicago United Center
19:25 < Guerillero> sup en
19:25 < Swob> because I got off Apples when they still had both a closed-apple and an open-apple key
19:25 < Swob> and never got out of the habit
19:25 < mareklug> 7 minutes remainign
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19:26 < wctaiwan> o_O
19:26 < wctaiwan> anyway, should pay attention in class.
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19:26 < Carly> O.o
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19:26 < Bradford> o_O
19:27 < Carly> O_o
19:27 < GabrielF> alright well I guess I'll just download this 10GB dump file locally and then upload it to S3 from my Mac unless anyone has any better ideas...
19:27 < Bradford> o_O
19:27 < Bradford> Carly:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAcsYCzYdbg
19:28 < Carly> bradford I.am busy,bye
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19:28 < Bradford> ok
19:28 < Bradford> bye
19:28 < Bradford> Carly:  fea
19:28 < mareklug> why locally?  no cloud scratch space for 10 gig? :)
19:29 < dtm_> she's got something in her eye.  and it's contagious from wctaiwan, sheesh
19:29 < Carly> bradford feo
19:29 < Carly> bye.
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19:29 < dtm_> Swob: you are correct to call it that
19:29 < dtm_> as do i
19:30 < mareklug> GabrielF Gmail/Google Drive now combine to gie anyone 15 Gig of cloud.  use that.
19:30 < mareklug> give *
19:30 < GabrielF> but I'm putting it in S3 because I was to use Elastic MapReduce to do stuff with it
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19:31 < dtm_> mareklug: "Macintosh I"?  where in tarnation did you come up with that?  ;)  poor form, old man!  the "Macintosh" was retroactively nicknamed the Mac 128k when the Mac 512k came out.
19:31 < dtm_> and "Apple IIa/b/e"?  wat.
19:31 < mareklug> there was also Lisa
19:32 < GabrielF> my first computer was a IIgs
19:33 < dtm_> mareklug: you bought 68k-compatible SIMMs, made new?  waaaaat.
19:33 < Carly> Good Night
19:33 < mareklug> my first computer was a Mac IIcx which I still hope to resurrect.  It's 24-bit RasterOps TrueColor video card is what I am still using in the working IIci.
19:33 < Bradford> Carly:  chao fea
19:33 < Swob> 1989
19:33 < Bradford> good ninght
19:33 < Carly> bradford chao feo
19:33 < dtm_> GabrielF: so how big is that 10GB xml dump, once it's compressed?  see xz or 7zip.
19:34 < mareklug> dtm_ indeed, brand new, and from the manufacturer, and and half price, and with lifetime warranty.
19:34 < Carly> es night bradford
19:34 < Carly> no ninght
19:34 < GabrielF> its 9.8GB in compressed as a bz2, uncompressed its 40-something gigs
19:34 < IDoH> Are you going to sleep, Carly?
19:35 < Bradford> Carly:  no me importa como se escriba
19:35 < Carly> bradford No.
19:35 < dtm_> mareklug: only losing that much speed on your speedtest with a wifi extender, is pretty good
19:35 < Bradford> Si
19:35 < mareklug> dtm_ I now got 39 Mbps/
19:35 < Carly> IDOH i will try to sleep,yes.
19:36 < Carly> no bradford.
19:36 < dtm_> mareklug: two ethernet cards?  so you dont have Appletalk over IP?
19:36 < Bradford> yes Carly
19:36 < mareklug> dtm I separated the tasks
19:36 < dtm_> fyi there's software to bridge the two lol
19:37 < Bradford> IDoH:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4bX0UMIM94 :)
19:37 < mareklug> Blackhaws score but waved off.
19:37 < Carly> bradford No.
19:37 < Carly> :|
19:37 < Bradford> yes Carly
19:37 < Bradford> |:
19:37 < dtm_> GabrielF: xz or 7zip will be fairly smaller
19:37 < dtm_> fyi
19:37 < IDoH> Bradford: You like this video?
19:37 < Carly> bradford No and no
19:37 < dtm_> GabrielF: bzip2 is completely obsolesced by xz
19:38 < Bradford> Carly:  Yes and yes, and end
19:38 < Bradford> IDoH:  yes ;)
19:38 < mareklug> dtm_ it is still appletalk over ethernet.
19:38 < GabrielF> well the WMF produces the dumps and they also have a utility that lets you read the compressed bz2 files into hadoop, so I'm basically stuck with bz2
19:38 < IDoH> Bradford: Eh, I don't always like those kinds of videos.
19:38 < dtm_> mareklug: you're resurrecting the whole thing, culture and all.  with all your ultra-nerd specs given ;)  that's the kind of nerd report i used to give ;)
19:38 < dtm_> mareklug: also my jpeg ratios and such ;)
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19:39 < Bradford> ok
19:39 < Bradford> :(
19:39 < dtm_> GabrielF: oh okay.  so not always functionally obsolesced.  ;)
19:39 < Carly> bradford No.
19:39 < Bradford> ay
19:39 < Bradford> ya no hablo ingles
19:39 < Bradford> -_-
19:39 < dtm_> GabrielF: do you have just the storage with AWS or do you have a virtual machine?
19:40 < dtm_> coz depending on your upstream speed, it'd be faster to recompress it twice ;)
19:40 < dtm_> that'd be cute, huh
19:40 < dtm_> mareklug: you separated what tasks and why
19:40 < GabrielF> I have a VM but I don't have enough space on my hard drive to expand and then recompress
19:40 < dtm_> GabrielF: well, you'd pipe them
19:41 < GabrielF> I'll have to test my upload speed to s3
19:41 < dtm_> bzip2 -dc foo.bz2 | xz -9vc > foo.xz
19:41 < dtm_> if you had enough space for *that*.
19:41 < mareklug> dtm I separated AppleTalk service from Ethernet on WLAN on the IIci because I have the two cards and it proved they can work at the same time.  IN a funny way, it also isolates the Appletalk subnet from the WLAN on that IIci, so no nasties. :)
19:42 < dtm_> no!  you'd cat xz through ssh, piped into the VM's bzip2
19:42 < dtm_> assuming that your network is reliable enough that it wouldn't need to resume ;)
19:42 < dtm_> to which one might say "no thanx"
19:42 < mareklug> overtime!
19:42 < dtm_> mareklug: nasty what
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19:42 < dtm_> 'funny' is one word for it ;)
19:43 < mareklug> dtm  someone breaking in from the WLAN
19:43 < GabrielF> I'll have to play with it - I had to dump the last season of homeland to free up enough space for this :)
19:43 < dtm_> what!!
19:43 < dtm_> mareklug: you know you're talking about an unexploited OS though, right? ;)  just fyi
19:43 < dtm_> how can someone be breaking in?
19:44 < dtm_> are you talkin about WPA2?
19:44 < mareklug> dtm hey, it is nice that I can make use of both cards and in the process it creates separate NICs on separate protocols.  No way even a very good hacker can jump that.
19:44 < dtm_> or do you have some ultra ancient junk that only does WEP ;)
19:44 < dtm_> if you say so! ;)
19:44 < mareklug> dtm my junk does WPA2/AES personal
19:44 < dtm_> oic
19:45 < dtm_> someone's breaking in to WPA2?  :-o
19:45 < dtm_> how do you know this
19:45 < BlastHardcheese> always good to authenticate your target before you connect your junk to it
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19:45 < Shirik> I always authenticate before I connect my junk
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19:45 < mareklug> anyway, even if someone breaks into my X 10.8.3 from WLAN (over firewall on Time Capsule), they cannot access the AppleTalk subnet for the older machines. :) :)
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19:46 < dtm_> mareklug: so how do you know that someone is in fact breaking into your WPA2?  and how did you not stop this?
19:47 < mareklug> i don't.  I am just explaining the benefits of separation.
19:47 < Bradford> IDoH:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U87awq8Z1LQ
19:47 < Bradford> view
19:48 < IDoH> That looks like a news show, Bradford
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19:49 < Bradford> ok
19:49 < Bradford> xD
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19:53 < dtm_> mareklug: oh ok i thought you said that someone *was* breaking in.  you just meant potentially.
19:53 < mareklug> right
19:53 < mareklug> the only way the X 10.8.3 talks to the old machines is through ftp that I bring up and down as needed.
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19:54 < mareklug> and if I find myself an scp client for system 7, that will go away, as well.
19:55 < mareklug> PuTTy comes to mind.
19:55 < dtm_> mareklug: oic
19:55 < dtm_> then you'd be *really* in business.
19:55 < dtm_> the computer industrialist.
19:55 < mareklug> slowly but surely...
19:55 < dtm_> heavy on the 'slowly'
19:55 < dtm_> why, again, are you not using Basilisk II?
19:56 < mareklug> on the LAN things are pretty fast.  Also, the sytem 7 implementtions of Adobe stuff are rather snappy.
19:56 < mareklug> the biggest problem is browsing the WLAN in iCab 2.99 on system 7.  it gets tripped by most JavaScript.  it just basically slows down to a crawl.
19:57 < mareklug> why would I use Basilisk II?
19:57 < dtm_> nope.  why *wouldn't* you
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19:59 < mareklug> it's an emulator, for crying out loud.  I know how Virtual PC for the mac crawled on G5 iMac.  I would need a very powerful host to make this emulator run fast.
19:59 < dtm_> :-I
19:59 < dtm_> r u srs
20:00 < mareklug> my most powerful machine is a Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz.  Maybe in the next cycle. :)
20:00 < dtm_> the words, they will not come
20:00 < dtm_> you're like some kinda savant ;)  you're so utterly far out of touch, brother <3
20:01 < Bradford> ´_é
20:01 < Bradford> xd
20:01 < dtm_> you're a mythical creature before my very eyes.  it's a hauntingly beautiful thing.
20:02 < mareklug> dtm_ it is not beyond my ken to spring for the upcoming Mac Pro 2013…. we shall see.  Now, that would be a powerful enough host.  But where is the charm of running 1989-vintage hardware and software and making people shake their heads...
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20:03 < dtm_> where'd you just magically get that figure?  what on earth and heaven just possessed you to think that a core 2 duo can't handle emulating 20 year old junk, but a current system somehow can?
20:03 < Swob> i wonder how many people you could fool if you used just the case and put a modern computer inside of it
20:03 < dtm_> Swob: yeah lots of people do that.  mini ITX in a G4 Cube case!  lol
20:03 < Swob> "look ay my Mac from 1989, still chugging along in 2013!"
20:03 < dtm_> mareklug: the Power Mac 9500 was Apple's fastest 68k system, when it was new, dewd
20:03 < mareklug> dtm_ btw, you would not have a spare 5v 2.4A  Netgear cube power supply?   The recycling people who shipped me the Netgear gigabit switch did not include a power supply that matches it.
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20:04 < dtm_> no i dont just happen to have that, sorry
20:04 < mareklug> BLACKHAWKS WIN IN OVERTIME
20:04 < dtm_> COUNTIN CARDS
20:04 < dtm_> HOT WATER BURN BABY, COUNTIN CARDS. YEEEEEEAAAAHHHH.
20:04 < dtm_> has anyone verified that mareklug is not a bot?
20:04 < dtm_> by any chance
20:05 < dtm_> do we have a {{notabot}} status or something
20:05 < mareklug> on that note, I will finish consuming my baked potato and fish
20:05 < dtm_> please do.  coz you're an *excellent* driver.
20:05 < dtm_> fooooore!
20:05 < dtm_> hurry up on dinner; Wapner's comin on
20:07 < dtm_> wapner comes on after blackhawks.  yeah.
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20:09 < dtm_> mareklug: do you have an available, compatible drive for A/UX?  you should.
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20:10 < mareklug> i don't have a spare scsi.  I could allocate a partition on an external drive
20:12 < Swob> wow i didnt know this guy was notable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Sokolove
20:13 < Shearonink> I have no idea about what to do with this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Adam_Peter_Lanza  which was created by the same editor who did this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Adam_Lanza  and is the same editor who deleted content from this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting&diff=prev&oldid=557441740
20:14 < dtm_> mareklug: it has to be specific drives
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20:15 < mareklug> I am not sure what is to be gained to run an antiquated unix on a slow system like that.  At least for Mac OS I have tons of expensive software.
20:16 < Revent> Shearonink: You need to take it to the Administrator Noticeboard.
20:16 < Shearonink> ((shudder)) AN/I
20:16 < Revent> And yes, a 'biography' of him is /highly/ against policy.
20:17 < dtm_> mareklug: you are so far out, bro ;)
20:18 < dtm_> Revent: why is it against policy
20:18 < Revent> WP:PERPETRATOR
20:18 < Shearonink> *sigh*
20:18 < Shearonink> I just don't think I have the strength to take this on at the moment
20:19 < Shearonink> been fighting to  many battles elsewhere
20:19 < Shearonink> to/too
20:19 < dtm_> Shearonink: awww
20:19 < Revent> A 'criminal' only notable for a particular crime isn't 'notable' and that kind of thing (since he was never convicted) will just draw more random crap.
20:20 < Shearonink> and the fact that this editor tried to remove the perpetrator section from the parent article
20:21 < Revent> Shearonink: *chuckles*, and points at a windmill. :P
20:21 < dtm_> Revent: i see, thx
20:22 < dtm_> wow, i could be wrong, but from looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting , it looks like people painstakingly reconstructed every detail into storyboard form,from a large variety of sources
20:22 < dtm_> that's morbidly impressive
20:22 < dtm_> if it's accurate
20:22 < Shearonink> it is
20:22 < Revent> No, it's original research, most likely.
20:23 < Revent> (looks)
20:23 < Shearonink> yech, this editor simply lifted text from the parent article
20:23 < Shearonink> word for word
20:23 < Shearonink> School library staff Yvonne Cech and Maryann Jacob first hid 18 children   etc
20:23 < Revent> Holy shit that's cited as hell nevermind. :P
20:24 < Revent> *agrees with the 'morbidly impressive'*
20:24 < Shearonink> Revent: yes it is, I helped write some of it, mostly to keep the crazies and conspiracy-theorists from mangling it beyond all repair
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20:26 < Shearonink> OK, do I need to get a histmerge on those two drafts?
20:26 < Revent> (looks) after a quick skim of the sources, they're all 'secondary'....jeez...
20:26 < Revent> Shearonink: Not on AfC crud I don't think...it'll just get denied when he tries to sumbit it lol...
20:27 < Revent> *submit
20:27 < dtm_> Revent: it's referenced to the bujeeperz and back huh
20:27 < Shearonink> he stole everything from the parent article
20:27 < Shearonink> for the two Lanza drafts
20:27 < dtm_> Shearonink: time for speedy deletion huh
20:27 < Revent> Shearonink: Yea.... WP:CFORK
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20:28 < dtm_> time to bring the deletionz with speedz
20:28 < Revent> But....isn't it better to let him waste his time in an sandbox? :P
20:28 < dtm_> hah!
20:28 < {soap|bed}> it seems that guy writes a lot about serial killers
20:28 < dtm_> sandbox?  or AfC honeypot?!?!
20:28 < {soap|bed}> no, wait, more like spree killers
20:28 < Shearonink> If there's an admin around, don't the two drafts need to be hist-merged before I try to kill it with fire?
20:29 < Shearonink> yeah soap, a murder-interest editor
20:29 < dtm_> yikes
20:30 < dtm_> on a sentimentally nonencyclopedic note, i would hope that such an intensive reconstructive (dare i say forensic :( ) effort would somehow credit the whole situation
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20:30 < dtm_> and serve to honor the victims by informing other
20:30 < dtm_> s
20:31 < dtm_> anyway.  i see that they mentioned [[9-1-1]] but the rest of the article just says "911".  shouldn't they all be "9-1-1" for consistency, and shouldn't it be [[9-1-1]] because they all occur in different sections and becuase non-americans may not know what it is?
20:33 < Revent> Well, for one thing americans say 9-11....and it should only be linked at the first occurrance.
20:33 < Revent> Oh, lol, sorry, switch topics in my brain *facepalm* yeah 9-1-1
20:33 < dtm_> yeah.
20:33 < dtm_> the first occurrance of the entire article?  that's not cool.
20:34 < Shearonink> actually, I usully say September the 11th
20:34 < dtm_> it's a huge article.
20:34 < Revent> WP:OVERLINK
20:34 < dtm_> Revent: yeah, that doesn't really make sense.
20:34 < dtm_> either people need to know what the terms are, and that articles exist, or they don't.
20:34 < dtm_> not ... kinda.
20:34 < IDoH> I say/think 9-11 myself
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20:35 < dtm_> anyway, the spelling should be consistent at least.  shoudln't i change the occurances of "911" to "9-1-1"?  it's not "nine hundred eleven".
20:35 < IDoH> dtm_: Yeah, probably
20:35 < Revent> My 'impression' of the way most people read wp is to read the lead, then skip around....so if something's linked in the lead, no need to link it anywhere else...
20:36 < {soap|bed}> what are yoyu guys talking about
20:36 < Revent> But if not in the leant but like section 2 and 5...first time in each... (IMO)
20:36 < Revent> *lead*
20:37 < Revent> '9 1 1' as in the phone number, and wikilinking it.
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20:38 < dtm_> Revent: in any case, that anecdotal impression is irrelevant <3  there is no "most people".  like i said, either it's relevant or not, period <3
20:38 < dtm_> i'm not meaning to discuss it with you personally of course, just venting about the idea ;)
20:39 < Revent> dtm_: I was under the impression (till I just checked) that it was in there like 20 or 30 times...
20:39 < Shearonink> no not to 9-1-1
20:39 < Shearonink> 9-1-1 is the emergency american telephone #
20:39 < Shearonink> 9-11 is the plane/terrorist attack
20:40 < Revent> (yeah, that side track was my random fault...)
20:41 < Revent> dtm_: what's 'overlinking' is kinda a subjective thing....it's just 'convenience' anyhow (there's a search box) but too much is hard to read.
20:41 < dtm_> Revent: yeah, that's just nonsense.  there is no effect on readability of course
20:42 < Revent> *lols* Maybe not to you....
20:42 < dtm_> correct, because there isn't.
20:42 < Revent> Depends on software, font, options....
20:43 < dtm_> then that's the user's complete failure, and they can configure something.  that's literally a presentation variable.  selectively mutilating all content itself, around the hypothetical existence of some gimped up junk somewhere, is nonsense.
20:43 < dtm_> no offense of course
20:43 < dtm_> just pointing out abject nonsense
20:43 < dtm_> in the overall big picture
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20:44 < GabrielF> I'm sure there are studies on the effect of hyperlinks on readability
20:44 < Revent> Yup, no damn reason to worry about things like people using screenreaders or anything.. *lol*
20:44 < dtm_> please read what i said.
20:44 < dtm_> or else dont worry about it
20:45 < dtm_> it's a matter of a presentation variable.  the policy is a total failure of the abstraction of content vs. presentation.  it's basic nonsense, as obvious as hypermedia itself.
20:45 < Revent> I did read what you said, and the whole point of /having/ wp is kinda to be 'useful'....if something hampers accessibility without adding anything, why do it?
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20:47 < Revent> It's 'well known' that text which doesn't have a uniform 'color' across the page is hard to read....that's the whole point of things like small caps and lining figures in 'traditional' typography.
20:47 < dtm_> which is the whole point of having abstracted content from presentation.
20:48 < dtm_> which is exactly why *I* dont have to have wikipedia read to me by my computer even though *I* am not blind
20:49 < Revent> I just think your 'implied' idea that 'well they can just upgrade' is kinda elitist. I'd like my grandmother to be about to read wikipedia with netscape on the 386 at the nursing home, personally.
20:49 < dtm_> software can parse out multiple links, by the user's personal preferences, just exactly as easily as it parses everything else in the first place.
20:49 < Revent> *able to*
20:49 < dtm_> :-I
20:50 < Zayn> |:
20:51 < Revent> Now, some kind of 'intelligent' wikilinking of terms you hover over that you could turn on would be cool as hell... :)
20:51 < dtm_> uh.   ..... riiiight.  glad you got that all figgerd out!
20:52 < dtm_> and we're all done lookin at Sandy Hook stuff over here :/
20:52 < dtm_> God bless em all.  reason number 2579373235 that i dont have broadcast tv, sadly
20:52 < dtm_> man i got a mega huge heaping dose of all that stuff just from the tv at the grocery store :/
20:53 < dtm_> eating in the cafe and whatnot, with CNN going
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20:53 < dtm_> it's much nicer to read about it in doses :\
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20:54 < dtm_> on web sites which encourage one to do something about it etc
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21:14 < addihockey10> Hello fyre
21:14 < addihockey10> How are you doing
21:14 < Fyre> good you?
21:15 < Fyre> Just chilling out in my hotel room :)
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21:15 < addihockey10> Nice
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22:35 < Idm> My aching head.
22:35 < bazinga> Idm hungover
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22:36 < Idm> No
22:36 < Idm> I wish
22:36 < bazinga> Blunt force trauma?
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22:37 < Idm> I think it's lack of sleep and pie.
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22:41 < Idm> Brb I need chocolates
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23:18 < OlEnglish> i miss my old DOS games
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23:18 < Jasper_Deng> OlEnglish: that's what DOS emulators are for, right?
23:19 < OlEnglish> right.
23:19 < OlEnglish> dosbox :)
23:19 < OlEnglish> love it
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23:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> FEMEN to protest against public flashing
23:19 < OlEnglish> i'm gonna play some of my old text adventures
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23:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> OlEnglish text?
23:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> like.... words?
23:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> OMG
23:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :p
23:22 < OlEnglish> heheh
23:22 < OlEnglish> your imagination has much better graphics than any video card of today
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23:27 < Shirik> But this is _HD_TV
23:27 < Shirik> it's got better RESOLUTION than real life
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23:27 < Jasper_Deng> Shirik: no
23:27 < Jasper_Deng> only a retina-display TV does!
23:27 < Shirik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT7hcWFu7q4
23:28 < Philon> the login page has been updated today
23:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> OlEnglish imagination?
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23:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> My imagination is 16bit
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23:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 120x1080 resolution too :p
23:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yes 120
23:29 < Shirik> is it also 2D?
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23:30  * Jasper_Deng wonders when displays will be /truly/ 3D (i.e. holographic)
23:30 < OlEnglish> my imagination is a virtual reality
23:31 < OlEnglish> quite literally
23:31  * Jasper_Deng guesses OlEnglish lucidly dreams, just like himself
23:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> OlEnglish your imagnation also has inflatable baloons
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23:43 < BritneySpears> cremepuff what kinda dessert are you puffin
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23:44 < BritneySpears> Theo10011: Hi babe
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23:44 < Theo10011> Hi hon
23:44 < Philon> BritneySpears:, ?? here?
23:44 < Philon> :p
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23:46 < BritneySpears> Philon: I am having cookies.
23:49 < mareklug> dtm_ yes, the PRAM battery on the nonbooting IIci is 0 volts, according to my trusty voltmeter.  It did not even move a needle.  Ordered 2 such from Utah on Ebay for 5 bucks less a cent delivered.
23:51 < BritneySpears> mareklug: If you go a girl pregnant when she was 16 and you were 17, you could be my dad.
23:51 < mareklug> I always wanted to be a dad of a famous she pop singer
23:53 < Philon> BritneySpears is now in Pakistan? ohh
23:54 < mareklug> she always struck me as a properly Karachi girl.
23:55 < Philon> lol
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23:56 < mareklug> 5 CR2025 lithium 3volt baatteries delivered from Arizona for buck thirty nine.  I mean, jesus.
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23:58 < BritneySpears> Philon: http://www.lionsdenu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/206264_209074365778097_171293496222851_802757_6967313_n.jpg
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