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--- Log opened Tue May 28 00:00:55 2013
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00:22 < mattbuck> someone say something please. I need to kick a script
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00:23 < mattbuck> hi Headbomb|AfK
00:24 < legoktm> mattbuck!
00:24 < legoktm> goodnight
00:25 < mattbuck> thanks legoktm
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00:57 < SigmaWP> night
00:58 < Gryllida> SigmaWP, amsg :(
00:58 < Gryllida> night though!
00:58 < SigmaWP> lol
00:58  * SigmaWP waves
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00:59 < Theo10011> Gryllida, Are you the Gryllida from wikinews?
00:59 < Gryllida> yes
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01:00 < Theo10011> There is a computron too using a similar cloak
01:00 < Theo10011> yours?
01:00 < Gryllida> yes, I host a irc client for him
01:00 < Theo10011> ok
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01:38 < Philon> any admins around?
01:39 < Philon> addshore, maybe?
01:39 < addshore> :O
01:39 < Philon> could you do some little work for me?
01:39 < Philon> not for me, actually
01:39 < Philon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Solomon7968#Yet_another_bias.21.21.21.21.21
01:39 < Philon> addshore: could you userfy those pages if that is possible
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01:40 < addshore> sure :)
01:41 < tommorris> woop, another admin awake in UK/EU timezone
01:44 < addshore> Philon: done
01:44 < addshore> tommorris: do you usually not have any?
01:44 < tommorris> often tends to be me. ;)
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01:45 < tommorris> which is fine, except I often tend to be asleep, commuting to work or at work when people need assitance
01:45 < Philon> addshore: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Solomon7968/Nirmala_B._Limayehere&action=edit&redlink=1 why 'redlink'?
01:46 < addshore> tommorris: my problem is I am often asleep at this hour ;p
01:46 < addshore> or have been for the past months
01:46 < addshore> Philon: ill check
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01:47 < addshore> Philon: fixed
01:47 < tommorris> we need to recruit a few admins from UTC+3 to UTC+8 so that there'll be people able to wield the mop between 6am and 12am UTC
01:47 < Philon> addshore: thanks
01:48 < addshore> Philon: any time :)
01:48 < mareklug> I tried to get Anna Frodesiak to reconsider withdrawing form her RfA.  She is in China.  basically, she feels no one really investigated her contributions, so she feels unworthy.
01:48 < mareklug> Then I suggeted to Yuvi Panda that he be an admin, as he is in India.  But he has no desire to, and there are no other Indians who are worthy.
01:49 < mareklug> on this channel
01:51 < tommorris> well, the problem with yuvipanda is he's also a foundation software developer
01:51 < tommorris> which shouldn't be a problem, it should be a positive
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01:52 < tommorris> but the community often get a big stick up their shitter about that kind of thing
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01:54 < mareklug> I suggested to Steven Zheng that he invest a wee amount of time in vetting Anna F, but he said he does not how to do it.  I think that's a pissant's answer.
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01:54 < mareklug> speaking of.
01:55 < tommorris> IMHO she seems pretty sane
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01:55 < mareklug> indeed.
01:55 < tommorris> and ridiculously helpful to newbs
01:55 < tommorris> and, blimey, loads of contribs
01:55 < mareklug> 60k
01:55 < tommorris> yeah, but new pages too
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01:59 < iDM|Afk> GingerGeek, Ahoy
02:00 < GingerGeek> Oh hey iDM|Afk
02:00 < GingerGeek> YOU ARE NOT FLAMING AFK
02:00 < GingerGeek> agioaogihaipofughasdf
02:01 < GingerGeek> *DEEP BREATH*
02:01 < iDM|Afk> I don't get it.
02:01 < GingerGeek> your nick says you are afk
02:01 < GingerGeek> when you clearly Aren't
02:01 < GingerGeek> Since your typing
02:01 < GingerGeek> *you're
02:02 < iDM|Afk> I don't want some A****holes to be bothering me.
02:03 < GingerGeek> Well why didn't you say :P
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02:04 < iDM|Afk> Do you want to look at something?
02:05 < iDM|Afk> GingerGeek, Do you have biology?
02:05 < GingerGeek> What??
02:05 < iDM|Afk> Biology as a subject.
02:05 < GingerGeek> I do
02:06 < iDM|Afk> Perfect, http://i.imgur.com/txQyYu7.jpg
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02:06 < GingerGeek> Im wary of clicking on this link
02:06 < GingerGeek> what is it
02:06 < iDM|Afk> Click, and see.
02:06 < GingerGeek> omg
02:06 < GingerGeek> wow
02:06  * GingerGeek facepalms
02:06 < iDM|Afk> Hello TBloemink.
02:07 < TBloemink> hi there
02:08 < iDM|Afk> GingerGeek, Interesting definition no?
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02:43 < kondi> iDM|Afk: :P
02:44 < iDM|Afk> YuviPanda, Update
02:44 < YuviPanda> legoktm: hi?
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04:31 < addshore> Any OSers around? :)
04:32 < Gryllida> oversight you mean?
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04:33 < addshore> yupo :)
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04:42 < qwebirc12883> Hi! Is there a expirenced admin who can help me our with a coupple of questions over here?
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04:43 < elquanto> yes, but you should just ask because lots of other people here will know too
04:45 < qwebirc12883> Ok, I will try here then.
04:45 < qwebirc12883> I wrote an article, what needed more reliable sources
04:45 < qwebirc12883> Now I added 7-8 references to my article
04:46 < qwebirc12883> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Banqsoft
04:46 < qwebirc12883> Do you think this one will go through? Or what else I need to improve?
04:48 < martijnHH> well, the formatting of the reference is rather poor, but that's not much of a problem. It seems like quite a boring subject to work on though
04:48 < elquanto> well, the citation format is below average, and that is what you need the most
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04:49 < martijnHH> I;m more concerned about the quality of them; they seem to be mostly - if not all - press releases
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04:50 < martijnHH> what you want are sources that are independent of Banqsoft - if there are any. If not, the subject isn't suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia
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04:50 < martijnHH> but if you give me some subjects you are interested in, I could help you out finding some other articles you could work on
04:50 < elquanto> indeed, it probably is best to leave out individual press releases and just link to the main corporate site
04:51 < qwebirc12883> Ok, so these one neigther will be accepted?
04:54 < elquanto> well, there is only one way to find out because it's the reviewers' judgment call, but please see the tutorial on citations
04:55 < tommorris> qwebirc12883: some of the writing style needs improvement too - "software solutions" isn't a thing, it's just "software" ;)
04:55 < tommorris> (which I've just fixed)
04:56 < elquanto> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial/Citing_sources
04:57 < qwebirc12883> Okei, thanks a lot, guys :)
04:57 < tommorris> http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2000/05/more_on_jargon_the_problem_with_solutions.html
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04:58 < Bradford> :D
04:58 < tommorris> Vodka, for example, might be positioned as a "reality-avoidance solution"
04:58 < tommorris> works for me
04:59 < elquanto> yes ;vodka and oj is a reality-avoidance suspension
04:59 < martijnHH> there are brands of vodka with higher alcohol content. Those are "enterprise reality-avoidance solution"s
05:00 < tommorris> no, no, enterprise just means "needs more resources to do the same thing"
05:00 < martijnHH> if you have a very large bottle of it which you can refill your old bottles with, it also "provides seamless integration with legacy systems on the process level"
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05:21 < Guest59334> I thought vodka was a taste avoidance system
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05:41 < addshore> I just logged into my bot account on wiki and I have loooooads of echo notifications!
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05:46 < martijnHH> addshore: interesting. It would be nice if echo could notify the bot owner
05:47 < martijnHH> well, I think it would
05:47 < addshore> I was just thinking this
05:47 < martijnHH> maybe it would just spam the hell out of the bot owner
05:47 < addshore> A way to link a second account to a 'master account'
05:47 < addshore> martijnHH: it would be nice for the mentions feature at least,
05:47 < addshore> spotting errors etc :P
05:47 < martijnHH> well, you know the way to bugzilla ;)
05:47 < addshore> I do indeed ;p
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05:52 < addshore> martijnHH: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48892
05:55 < jubo2> Hi.
05:55 < martijnHH> <3
05:55 < jubo2> I wanna change my 'pedia username from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=User:Juxo to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=User:Juboxi but the problem seems that I've made a couple of small edits with the Juboxi username and now I must "usurp" it I gather ?
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05:56 < a930913> addshore: You mean to add a token like the watchlist? ;)
05:56 < addshore> a930913: a token? like the watchlist? :O
05:57 < jubo2> And this would require me to "move" to some other name the existing account which I want to chooso to represent my 'pedia identity
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05:57 < a930913> addshore: As in I could stalk my bots watchlist changes with the token without being logged in. I asked for the same for notifications.
05:58 < a930913> Though I don't know if it got bugzilla'd.
05:58 < jubo2> isn't there some default name forming procedure of how to make an account with few edits
05:58 < addshore> hmmm
05:58 < addshore> I want want to talk my bots watchlist changes :P
05:58 < addshore> thatd be ugly ;p
05:59 < addshore> just if it gets mentioned, or maybe reverts on its edits also :)
05:59 < addshore> and talk page edits etc.
05:59 < jubo2> like [ [ User : juboxi-archived-defunct-account ] ]
05:59 < jubo2> This 'pedia procedure is complicated
06:00 < a930913> addshore: Yeah, but an RSS or some sort would make it trivial to add reporting to your channel.
06:00 < jubo2> I wish I had thought to ask before reserving the new username about how to transfer my [ [Special:Watchlist] ] and [ [Special:Contributions] ] etc. to the new account
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06:01 < GorillaWarfare> jubo2: Yeah, I think that requires a usurp
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06:15 < YuviPanda> GorillaWarfare: heard you got accepted into GSoC
06:15 < YuviPanda> congratulations :)
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06:16 < GorillaWarfare> Thanks!
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06:18 < kondi> YuviPanda: pm?
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06:24 < martijnHH> what are you writing for GSoC GorillaWarfare?
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06:24 < GorillaWarfare> martijnHH: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare/Proposal
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06:27 < martijnHH> looks nice GorillaWarfare
06:28 < GorillaWarfare> Thanks!
06:28 < martijnHH> have you talked about it with the WikiData folks yet? It seems like the kind of thing they'd have an opinion about
06:30 < GorillaWarfare> I have not, though that is on my to-do list :)
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06:30 < YuviPanda> kondi: sure
06:31 < YuviPanda> this year's GSoC is going to be super exciting
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06:31 < YuviPanda> and intense
06:31  * martijnHH is somewhat concerned WikiData has the tendency to diverge rather than integrate
06:31 < YuviPanda> since we have 22 students (GSoC + OPW)
06:31 < YuviPanda> rather than 7
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06:35 < GorillaWarfare> YuviPanda: And three of them are for Wikisource! ^.^
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06:40 < YuviPanda> GorillaWarfare: wah, nice!
06:40 < YuviPanda> you, proofreadpage, and?
06:41 < GorillaWarfare> YuviPanda: The UploadWizard one
06:41  * JustBerry ,"Everyone keeps saying that about Wikidata"
06:41 < GorillaWarfare> "Book upload customization", I think?
06:42 < YuviPanda> ah
06:42 < YuviPanda> Nazmul Chowdhury - UploadWizard: Book upload customization
06:43 < GorillaWarfare> That's the oen
06:43 < GorillaWarfare> *one
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06:54 < Koi> GorillaWarfare: you're alive!
06:54 < Koi> JustBerry: GorillaWarfare is here, Shirik you too!
06:55 < JustBerry> Koi, I wish Shirik was here.
06:55 < Koi> Oh.
06:55 < JustBerry> I would have done something a long time ago :P
06:55 < Koi> Well, GorillaWarfare is here clearly :P
06:55 < GorillaWarfare> Why are you surprised that I'm here?
06:55 < JustBerry> Yup, already talked to her.
06:55 < JustBerry> Well... not about that... but said hi
06:55 < Koi> GorillaWarfare: Idk, it's early :P
06:55 < GorillaWarfare> Koi: I'm at work
06:56 < JustBerry> Koi: LOL
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06:56 < Koi> GorillaWarfare: er, why are you IRCing at work?
06:56 < JustBerry> GorillaWarfare: No chatting at work! :o
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06:56 < JustBerry> Bad Gohwiwa :o
06:57 < Ironholds> ahhhhhredbull
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06:57 < Koi> Ironholds: don't drink that shit its bad for you
06:57 < JustBerry> Koi: It is pretteh bad :/
06:58 < Koi> I actually have to be in class now XD
06:58 < Koi> talk to ya'll later :3
06:58 < JustBerry> Bye Koi.
07:00 < YuviPanda> GorillaWarfare: do you do lua stuff?
07:00 < GorillaWarfare> Nope
07:01 < YuviPanda> hmm, almost nobody seems to be doing lua stuff
07:01 < YuviPanda> :(
07:02 < GorillaWarfare> I looked at it once :P
07:03 < YuviPanda> doesn't count ;P
07:03 < GorillaWarfare> Damn
07:04 < Ironholds> YuviPanda: I'd do lua stuff but then I'd have to learn Lua
07:04 < JustBerry> GW, just wondering, does WP have a programming committee (aka place for users to develop code to improve the site)?
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07:04 < YuviPanda> Ironholds: you should. it's fun
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07:04 < YuviPanda> and about 20 orders of magnitude better than wikitext-based-pukegramming
07:05 < YuviPanda> Ironholds: are you back in the UK?
07:06 < Ironholds> YuviPanda, naw, out near Naarden
07:07 < Ironholds> gorgeous area!
07:07 < JustBerry> GorillaWarfare?
07:07 < YuviPanda> ah
07:07 < Ironholds> We climbed on top of fortifications
07:07 < YuviPanda> ah, we is who i think it is
07:07 < YuviPanda> right
07:07 < Ironholds> well, yes
07:07 < Ironholds> K4 and Mark
07:07 < YuviPanda> nice
07:08  * YuviPanda smacks self for not turning up this time
07:08 < Ironholds> you missed so much awesome!
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07:13 < YuviPanda> Ironholds: as if to remind me of that, the power just went out
07:13 < YuviPanda> grr
07:15  * TheDruId hates power outages.
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07:16 < YuviPanda> TheDruId: i can't remember a single day in the last 2 years when I haven't had at least an hour of them
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07:16 < Bradford> ._.
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07:17 < GorillaWarfare> JustBerry: Sorry, the pings in here are off
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07:17 < GorillaWarfare> JustBerry: Check out http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki
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07:20 < kondi_> speak portugese?
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07:27 < mareklug> kondi_ Beria
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07:28 < mareklug> she is usually in #wikimedia-commons
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07:31 < JustBerry> Back.
07:31 < JustBerry> Okay thanks GW.
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07:33 < kondi_> mareklug: ah thanks!
07:33 < mareklug> ur welcome
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07:59 < SoapX> hi
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08:00 < BobTheWikipedian> hey soapx
08:00 < BobTheWikipedian> hmmm i have a copyright question, all you experts!
08:00  * Ironholds runs
08:00  * wctaiwan trips Ironholds 
08:00 < BobTheWikipedian> oh good, my british expert friend is here
08:00 < Ironholds> ow, by dose
08:00 < wctaiwan> (/me also says hi)
08:00 < Ironholds> you boke by dose.
08:00 < BobTheWikipedian> thank you wctaiwan
08:00 < BobTheWikipedian> and hi
08:00 < wctaiwan> BobTheWikipedian: anytime.
08:01 < Ironholds> by did you boke by dose?!
08:01 < BobTheWikipedian> how's the dose, ironholds?
08:01  * wctaiwan sticks it back on with cellotape.
08:01 < wctaiwan> okay, sellotape.
08:01 < Ironholds> painful. right, what's up? :)
08:02 < BobTheWikipedian> sooooo if i am putting images into an online storefront, copying them to the company's server and renaming them, am i violating copyright law?
08:02 < SoapX> images of what source?
08:03 < BobTheWikipedian> various stores
08:03 < Pharos> BobTheWikipedian: noone cares, it's not Wikimedia Commons
08:03 < BobTheWikipedian> haha pharos
08:03 < Pharos> :)
08:03 < BobTheWikipedian> probably quite true
08:04 < SoapX> I dont understand the question but if youre not pulling free images it's almost certainly a copyvio
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08:04 < martijnHH> how are they licensed now?
08:04 < SoapX> even though Im sure other people do it
08:04 < BobTheWikipedian> i haven't been able to verify the claim i've heard that online storefronts are considered fair use
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08:04 < SoapX> there's no "fair use" if it's a for-profit endeavor, though
08:04 < BobTheWikipedian> at the moment i haven't included any licensing info
08:04 < SoapX> thats only for things like Wikipedia
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08:04 < Pharos> as far as i'm aware, literally no one will complain
08:04 < BobTheWikipedian> i just realized though that i might be setting the company up for lawsuits
08:05 < SoapX> actually wait no
08:05 < Pharos> which is one definition of a kind of fair use
08:05 < SoapX> you can do fair use and make a profit
08:05 < SoapX> it's just edgy
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08:05 < SoapX> some people have sued and won based on the idea that they can parody another artist's song, claiming "fair use", and make money as if it were their own and give no royalties to the original artist
08:06 < BobTheWikipedian> which is why i decided to come to the official freenode channel for free legal advice on image copyrights
08:06 < BobTheWikipedian> a.k.a. #wikipedia-en
08:06 < Pharos> also, free picnic advice
08:06 < BobTheWikipedian> that too...i need to nag chanitra about that
08:06 < SoapX> A US court case in 2003, Kelly v. Arriba Soft Corporation, provides and develops the relationship between thumbnails, inline linking and fair use. In the lower District Court case on a motion for summary judgment, Arriba Soft was found to have violated copyright without a fair use defense in the use of thumbnail pictures and inline linking from Kelly's website in Arriba's image search
08:06 < SoapX> engine. That decision was appealed and contested by Internet rights activists such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation, who argued that it is clearly covered under fair use.
08:07 < BobTheWikipedian> hotlinking thumbnails is fair use?
08:07 < BobTheWikipedian> ooo cool
08:07 < SoapX> yeah I think youre OK. just save, oh, about $50 million in a legal fund in case you get sued
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08:08 < BobTheWikipedian> but that's images that are hotlinked to the source, right?
08:08 < TheDruId> BobTheWikipedian, are you in a location where freedom of panorama is limited?
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08:08 < BobTheWikipedian> yes, it's america
08:08 < Pharos> if you're using a stock photo of a product to sell it, then that is extremely standard practice
08:08 < SoapX> is it a stock phot othough?
08:08 < SoapX> you said at the beginning that it was from other stores
08:08 < BobTheWikipedian> okay, so stock photos of the product for a storefront are fine, just not professional photos shot by toys'r'us
08:09 < Pharos> or i should say, stock photo from the manufacturer
08:09 < BobTheWikipedian> gotcha
08:10 < BobTheWikipedian> of course, on commons, it would not be fair use
08:10 < BobTheWikipedian> or wikipedia, rather
08:10 < Pharos> yes, but wikimedia is weird ;)
08:10 < BobTheWikipedian> haha
08:10 < BobTheWikipedian> okay, thanks! time to start downloading more images then
08:11 < BobTheWikipedian> pharos have you heard from chanitra lately?
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08:11 < Pharos> we're on the education committee together, so we're on joint conference calls
08:11 < BobTheWikipedian> she is supposed to be coordinating the wiknic out here this year
08:11 < BobTheWikipedian> can you remind her?
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08:12 < Pharos> but i haven't talked much about anything of substance
08:12 < Pharos> i can try!
08:12 < BobTheWikipedian> thanks!
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08:24 < YuviPanda> can someone look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aditi_Technologies
08:24 < YuviPanda> ?
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08:25  * legoktm looks
08:25  * JustBerry is looking as well
08:26 < tommorris> err, a fair few of those sources are press releases
08:26 < gry> head desk
08:26 < tommorris> the DNA India source is a press release
08:27 < gry> i will sleep on thoughts about wikipedia living in wikipedia:*/* now ... i today realised new submissions go to $1 = articles for creation, and now i see a $1 = articles for deletion ...
08:28 < gry> i rather wonder what i missed in 3 years that makes it impossible to use categories for things like that
08:28 < ragesoss> Hey Pharos. I gave you a test ping for on-wiki Campus Ambassador applications.
08:28 < ragesoss> I'm setting it up so that all the Regional Ambassadors get a notification when someone posts a Campus Ambassador application.
08:29 < Qcoder00> Wikimedia has embassies?
08:29 < Qcoder00> ;)
08:29 < Qcoder00> as Long as we aren't bigger than jesus
08:30 < ragesoss> several, in fact.
08:30  * tommorris leaves a comment on the AFD, YuviPanda 
08:30 < TheDruId> YuviPanda, Checked. ?
08:30 < ragesoss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Embassy
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08:33 < YuviPanda> tommorris: thanks, I don't know the company or the people, but was pinged on FB about it
08:33 < YuviPanda> thanks for putting a word
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08:38 < ragesoss> exams over yet Yuvi?
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08:42 < SoapX> how come your name is Anustart?
08:43 < Qcoder00> tommorris:  Are you conected with Wikimania 2014?
08:44 < tommorris> Qcoder00: a bit. why?
08:44 < Qcoder00> OK
08:44 < anustart> i've made a new start
08:44 < Qcoder00> Justtrying to keep track
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08:45 < SoapX> lol. ok
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08:46 < SoapX> aww
08:46 < SoapX> you didnt make it up though
08:46 < SoapX> its from a TV show
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08:58 < legoktm> SoapX: arrested development!
08:59 < SoapX> yeah
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09:06 < SoapX> new RfA probably coming soon
09:06 < SoapX> should be a good one
09:07 < JohnLewis> SoapX: Hm?
09:07 < GorillaWarfare> SoapX: Going to just leave us in suspense like that?
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09:09 < Freebie> woah.
09:10 < GorillaWarfare> Netsplit?
09:11 < Freebie> No, just irccloud
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09:12 < fandy> ping
09:13 < Freebie> pong
09:13 < Philon> fandy: is it really so bad that you're pinging yourself
09:13 < Philon> :)
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09:16 < JustBerry> lol
09:16 < JustBerry> !ping
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09:17 < GorillaWarfare> JustBerry: Helpmebot doesn't hang out in this channel
09:17 < JustBerry> I realized, wrong channel :P
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09:18 < SoapX> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship&diff=prev&oldid=557190872
09:19 < JustBerry> !gorillawarefare
09:19 < JustBerry> Did they get rid of that command? Huh.
09:19 < GorillaWarfare> FWIW, you misspelled my nick
09:20 < JustBerry> Again? That's probably why! Test: !gorillawarfare
09:20 < wctaiwan> hahaha
09:20 < JustBerry> Nope.
09:20 < wctaiwan> JustBerry: there are no speaking bots in the channel.
09:21 < JustBerry> ...wctaiwan, so you realize, it was a joke since GW was talking to be in this channel
09:21 < JustBerry> Just saying! :P
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09:21 < wctaiwan> oh, right.
09:21 < wctaiwan> whoosh. :p
09:21 < JustBerry> :)
09:23 < JohnLewis> SoapX: Date fixed. The nom thought it said 'uncomment this once created' instead of 'uncomment once transcluded' :)
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09:25 < SoapX> yeah and i made it worse
09:25 < SoapX> but now I fixed my "fix" of your fix
09:26 < SoapX> i guessi  should oppose for the candidate not noticing the error
09:26 < wctaiwan> JustBerry: out of curiosity, if you don't mind—who are you on wiki?
09:26 < JustBerry> wctaiwan: I wonder...
09:26 < SoapX> also desysop the nominators
09:27 < JustBerry> <----------
09:27 < wctaiwan> This account is a suspected sock puppet of Migsbigs and has been blocked indefinitely.
09:27 < wctaiwan> o_O
09:27 < JustBerry> Hi SoapX
09:27 < SoapX> hi berry
09:27 < Fluffernutter> wctaiwan: perhaps a better question is who he used to be :P
09:27 < JohnLewis> SoapX: Desysop the noms?
09:27 < wctaiwan> Fluffernutter: oh, I can dig :p
09:28 < JohnLewis> SoapX: If this is the RfB, The noms aren't sysop :P
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09:30 < SoapX> they should be
09:30 < SoapX> let's immediately nominate them both to be admins so that we can desysop them immediately afterwards for poor MediaWiki skills
09:31 < JohnLewis> SoapX: I have good MediaWiki skills. If you want to get me desysop'd somewhere, Wikidata is a place where I am one :P
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09:32 < JustBerry> Well, I can now truly help anyone out.
09:33 < GorillaWarfare> Hm?
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09:36 < SoapX> Shirik unblocked User:JustBerry: Per unblock request after discussion with various administrators
09:38 < GorillaWarfare> Yes
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09:43 < aude> any gadget or js folks here?
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09:45 < JustBerry> SoapX, I think we know ;)
09:45 < JustBerry> But thanks for letting me know.
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09:48 < Jetro> JustBerry, what a great nickname
09:48 < Jetro> sorry for highlighting but I could not resist
09:48 < JustBerry> Jetro: Aw, thanks.
09:48 < Jetro> ^^'
09:48 < JustBerry> Jetro: Jetro sounds pretty cool too :)
09:49 < Jetro> xD Thanks
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09:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> are there laws against boredom?
09:55 < Jetro> yes
09:55 < Jetro> because solution is easy
09:55 < Jetro> just click random article on wikipedia
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09:57 < TheDruId> ...but that's my idea of fun.
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09:57 < Jetro> exactly
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10:24 < aude> who here knows about javascript?
10:24 < YuviPanda> maybe me?
10:24 < GorillaWarfare> aude: Depends what you need
10:24 < aude> yay
10:25 < aude> i am updating geonotice.js to allow specifying a country instead of corners
10:25 < aude> e.g. country : 'US'
10:25 < aude> for our wiknic
10:25 < aude> http://tools.wmflabs.org/geonotice/geonotice.js
10:25 < Jamesofur> ah, nice, that should be relatively easy. It gets the info already
10:25 < Pharos> aude is awesome!
10:25 < aude> since it's super easy to break wikipedia for a stray comma and such
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10:26 < aude> can someone review that
10:26 < Pharos> whoever reviews it is awesome too!
10:26 < aude> you can stick it into your common.js
10:26 < aude> like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aude/common.js
10:26 < aude> and if you are in the us, you should see two geonotices
10:26 < aude> one the real one and a second from there
10:26 < aude> and no js errors
10:27 < aude> i also split some stuff into functions so it is easier to use, understand, work with this tool
10:27 < YuviPanda> hmm, jshint looks okay...
10:27 < aude> good
10:27 < YuviPanda> aude: you should probably update the documentation too
10:27 < aude> yes
10:27 < YuviPanda> it doesn't mention country
10:27 < aude> k
10:28 < YuviPanda> aude: augh, you are mixing spaces and tabs!
10:28 < aude> grrrr
10:28  * aude checks :)
10:29 < aude> in this tool, they like spaces
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10:30 < YuviPanda> aude: that's fine, as long as they aren't mixed
10:30 < YuviPanda> that kills the indentation
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10:31 < ShreCk> Hello
10:31 < YuviPanda> aude: where am I supposed to be seeing the notices?
10:31 < aude> on your watchlist
10:32 < aude> above "Community input regarding the use of level-2 pending changes is requested. [dismiss]"
10:32 < YuviPanda> aude: hmm, yes, but it is huge
10:32  * aude fixed the tabs
10:32 < aude> how huge?
10:32 < aude> it's supposed to be larger font
10:32 < aude> but not crazy large
10:32 < YuviPanda> with a <hr> under it
10:32 < YuviPanda> it looks odd
10:32 < aude> yes
10:32 < YuviPanda> for sure
10:32 < YuviPanda> screencapping
10:32 < YuviPanda> moment
10:33  * aude sees
10:33 < aude> that's how they wanted it
10:33 < aude> it used to be bigger and above the watchlist options panel
10:33 < TheDruId> Finally: http://news.yahoo.com/nyc-launches-bike-share-program-largest-nation-162917845.html
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10:34 < YuviPanda> aude: http://imgur.com/dH408Qg
10:34 < a930913> [[Exeter City F.C.]] Wtf? Am I missing something? Near on 50 people have vandalised this in the last few hours.
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10:35  * Jamesofur wonders why we use hide for geonotice and dismiss for normal watch list notice
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10:35 < aude> YuviPanda: that's how it's supposed to be
10:35 < YuviPanda> hmm alright
10:35  * aude open to changing it but not together with this other change
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10:35 < aude> it's already better than it was
10:36 < aude> no idea about hide and dismiss either :)
10:36 < a930913> Guys, take a look at the top of this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/A930913
10:36 < SoapX> ok
10:36 < aude> Pharos: assume there are supposed to be 2 geonotices for los angeles?
10:37 < Jamesofur> a930913: any reason you're not semiing?
10:37 < Pharos> yes, unless there's a clever way to make a hole...
10:37 < SoapX> they must have just won a game or something
10:37 < Jamesofur> cause I'm about to otherwise :)
10:37 < YuviPanda> aude: the 'firstnotice' check should probably be inside displayGeonotice
10:37 < aude> YuviPanda: ok
10:37 < YuviPanda> since it is currently duplicated
10:37 < aude> agree
10:37 < SoapX> I didnt know a930913 was an admin
10:37 < Jamesofur> one of their big players got promoted
10:37 < Jamesofur> to premier league
10:37 < a930913> Jamesofur: I was going to, but you can if you want. Use this link for evidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Exeter_City_F.C.&diff=557198659&oldid=555705191
10:38 < SoapX> no way http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/A930913
10:38 < Pharos> aude: maybe there is a clever way to exclude  regions in the country that have another notice active, but i guess that's a thing to discuss later
10:39 < Jamesofur> SoapX: honestly I didn't know if he was or wasn't lol, I just assumed that if he wasn't he could ask for it ;)
10:39 < aude> Pharos: next feature
10:39 < a930913> "(160 intermediate revisions by 45 users not shown)" :/
10:39 < Jamesofur> (for the protection)
10:39 < Pharos> or rather, have another notice that is on the same topic but more specific to the region
10:40 < YuviPanda> aude: I am going to assume that this can be edited only by trusted users, but there's potential XSS in displayGeonotice
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10:40 < YuviPanda> in this case I suppose it's ok
10:40 < a930913> SoapX: I'm not an admin. Am I? :/
10:40 < aude> YuviPanda: yes but should fix
10:40 < YuviPanda> since if they are editing the JS file
10:40 < YuviPanda> they might just as well put it all there
10:40 < aude> right
10:40 < a930913> That was a [[WP:point]]y RfA.
10:40 < YuviPanda> aude: but I suppose in the future this might be split into data / code separate files
10:40 < YuviPanda> and hence it should be something we should fix
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10:41 < YuviPanda> aude: ooo, and the code inside the html inside displayGeonotice should go. should be attached after the fact via html
10:41 < YuviPanda> aude: easy to miss, dangerous, ugly.
10:41 < YuviPanda> concatenating js inside js is not good
10:42 < aude> agree agree
10:44 < YuviPanda> aude: I'm also a little bit uncomfortable about using regex there to parse wikilinks, but don't have a proper solution
10:44 < YuviPanda> since calling parse would be one full network call more...
10:44 < YuviPanda> so I think that's fine
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10:45 < YuviPanda> (what is there right now)
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10:45 < YuviPanda> aude: so, 1. spacing 2. move firstnotice logic inside displayGeonotice 3. XSS in displayGeonotice 4. HTML + JS mixed dangerously in displayGeonotice
10:45 < YuviPanda> that's all I got
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10:45 < YuviPanda> there are other minor stylistic issues that I can point out if you want me to :)
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10:48 < aude> got it
10:48 < aude> thanks!
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10:48 < YuviPanda> aude: :)
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10:51 < YuviPanda> aude: let me know if you want me to go through it again
10:51 < aude> sure
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11:02 < SoapX> hi russ
11:02 < SoapX> oh it must be all the irccloud users coming back
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11:20 < Maeby> Clouds are the worst.
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11:23 < Bradford> :D
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11:24 < Jetro> :(
11:24 < Bradford> :|
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11:24 < GorillaWarfare> :>
11:25 < Bradford> :<
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11:26 < Maeby> Call me maeby
11:26 < Maeby> Also, no more emoticons!
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11:30 < Freebie> Maeby: :D
11:30 < Maeby> This is crazy...
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11:35 < TheDruId> Nothing wrong with emoticons, although they fail to indciate the user's age. :/
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11:35 < Maeby> I think focusing on the nose reveals info about the age of the user.
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11:35 < Maeby> older use throw a nose in there, younger ones just skip it unless its in the template
11:36 < TheDruId> Or maybe a Pinnochio obsession. 8----------------------------------------- /
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11:38 < soap-lazy> huh
11:38 < soap-lazy> i use no nose
11:38 < soap-lazy> but i have a long John-Kerry-liek face so I use : )
11:38 < Maeby> TheDruId, that is usually used for.....not the face....
11:39 < Maeby> soap-lazy, rhinoplastied that emoticon
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11:39 < soap-lazy> to me it's
11:39 < soap-lazy> =) hyper-cute
11:39 < soap-lazy> :) normal
11:40 < soap-lazy> :-) nonconformist
11:40 < soap-lazy> ;) and :) look like frog-faces on my font
11:40 < Ironholds> ;-= )
11:40 < Maeby> That's the idea
11:40 < TheDruId> Maeby, hmn, I see you're right; sorry.
11:40 < Ironholds> system: BROKEN
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11:41 < Maeby> two is the limit though.
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11:42 < Maeby> :--) over that we're in Ray romano territory :---(
11:42 < soap-lazy> i have a long nose too
11:42 < Maeby> It's supposedly a sign of virility and royalty.
11:42 < Maeby> So I guess you should be proud.
11:43 < Maeby> Also, a sign of being a fake wooden boy who lies. So don't take my word for it.
11:43 < soap-lazy> we once had an article for [[jewish nose]]
11:43 < Maeby> heh
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11:44 < soap-lazy> but thats really just a setereotyped term for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquiline_nose
11:44 < soap-lazy> becuase its just not Jews, it's all Mediterranean peoples
11:45 < soap-lazy> northern Eurpeans are more likely to have concave noses
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11:53  * Ironholds is a proud pickaxe-face, tyvm
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11:56 < CrackyWacky> this is just a comment for a wanted doctor in canada
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11:57 < CrackyWacky> 1: when you're wanted in canada, don't travel to a country that has a extradition treaty
11:57 < CrackyWacky> esp with your wife as well
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12:01 < Maeby> o.O
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12:04 < CrackyWacky> Maeby: i'm referring to dr arthur porter, a sierra leone physician
12:04 < Maeby> ok
12:05 < Maeby> Still no idea why you brought it up out of the blue?
12:05 < Maeby> context would be nice?
12:05 < CrackyWacky> of course:)
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12:19 < aude> YuviPanda: http://tools.wmflabs.org/geonotice/geonotice.js
12:19 < aude> jeremyb: ^
12:20 < aude> anyone else who knows js also
12:20 < YuviPanda> aude: you still have tabs and spaces mixed
12:20 < YuviPanda> :)
12:21 < aude> ah :/
12:21 < YuviPanda> aude: firstnotice is defined inside the 'if' but used in displayGeonotice
12:21 < aude> where are tabs?
12:21 < YuviPanda> while this will technically work, isn't good. should be defined right outside displayGeonotice
12:21 < aude> ok
12:22 < YuviPanda> Line 205
12:22 < YuviPanda> 208
12:22 < YuviPanda> 214
12:22 < YuviPanda> 215
12:22 < YuviPanda> 216
12:22 < YuviPanda> that's it
12:22 < kondi> damn
12:22 < kondi> you're fast
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12:22 < YuviPanda> me?
12:23 < YuviPanda> aude: also, Line 124: - you probably want that to be .join( '\n' )
12:24 < YuviPanda> empty space is fine too, but I suppose '\n' was the intent there
12:24 < aude> ok
12:24 < YuviPanda> aude: hideGeonotice uses DOM elements directly, rest of script uses jQuery.
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12:24 < YuviPanda> inconsistent, bad. But I understand you just directly translated the js out of the html
12:24 < YuviPanda> so it's okay, but still....
12:24 < YuviPanda> icky
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12:25 < kondi> YuviPanda: yes
12:25 < YuviPanda>   document.getElementById(parentId).style.display = 'none';  should probably be $( '#' + parentId ).hide();
12:25 < aude> that works
12:26 < aude> nicer
12:26 < YuviPanda> aude: also why is the firstnotice check on both ends of displayGeonotice?
12:26 < aude> shouldn't be
12:27 < YuviPanda> and shouldn't the <hr> get appended outside the loop?
12:27 < YuviPanda> rather than using firstnotice?
12:27 < YuviPanda> kondi: hehe :)
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12:27 < YuviPanda> kondi: I love to code review, except that a lot of our stuff is rather big and hence i'll need to spend a few days getting comfortable with all the code before I can comfortably give code review
12:28 < YuviPanda> kondi: hence much easier to do it for standalone pieces of code like this :)
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12:28 < kondi> YuviPanda: ah. I'll need you to review some real soon :)
12:28 < kondi> some code
12:28 < YuviPanda> i'll be happy to help :)
12:28 < CrackyWacky> well,libertyreserve.com has been shut down
12:28 < YuviPanda> email me if i'm not on IRC
12:31 < YuviPanda> aude: also Lines 191 - 197 should also be condensed into one
12:31 < YuviPanda> one conditional, that is
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12:31 < aude> ok
12:32 < kondi> :D
12:32 < YuviPanda> aude: and the entire thing should also probably be wrapped to prevent leakage of variables
12:32 < aude> not sure i have the firstnotice thing in the right place
12:32 < YuviPanda> show me the copy?
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12:32 < aude> it has to be defined somewhere out of the function or be a function param
12:33 < aude> http://tools.wmflabs.org/geonotice/geonotice.js
12:33  * aude wish for this to be in git
12:33 < YuviPanda> well, gist :P
12:33 < aude> true
12:33 < aude> https://gist.github.com/filbertkm/5665443
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12:34 < aude> agree about the global scope
12:34 < aude> bad
12:34 < YuviPanda> wonderful
12:34 < YuviPanda> mind if i make a few of the corrections myself?
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12:35 < aude> please do
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12:40 < YuviPanda> aude: https://gist.github.com/yuvipanda/5665449
12:40 < YuviPanda> i am testing it now
12:40 < aude> k
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12:41 < kondi> YuviPanda: getScript isn't the best way to use that external script right? or is it?
12:41 < YuviPanda> $.getScript is
12:41 < YuviPanda> yes
12:42 < YuviPanda> IIRC
12:42 < kondi> okay
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12:43 < aude> the hr is in the wrong place (my fault)
12:43 < YuviPanda> aude: yes, update again
12:43 < YuviPanda> *updated
12:43 < aude> and seems there is extra "();" at the top
12:44 < aude> ok
12:44 < YuviPanda> aude: yeah, I don't know how they got there L|
12:44 < YuviPanda> err
12:44 < YuviPanda> :|
12:44 < YuviPanda> sorry about those ();
12:44 < YuviPanda> aude: updated again
12:44 < YuviPanda> see now?
12:44 < aude> one sec....
12:45 < aude> when i click hide, the hr remains
12:45 < YuviPanda> ah, hmm
12:45 < aude> the hr could
12:45 < aude> be done with css
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12:46 < YuviPanda> does the HR remain with the current version of the script too?
12:46 < YuviPanda> as in, the currently deployed version?
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12:47 < aude> no
12:47  * aude fixing
12:47 < JustBerry> Administrator please.
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12:50 < JustBerry> Reason: excessive vandalizing.
12:51 < IDoH> JustBerry: I know you're blocked, but the right place for that is AIV.
12:51 < IDoH> I think you can go to the unblock appeal chatroom now.
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12:51 < IDoH> And expect people to be awake
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12:51 < JustBerry> Who I'm blocked? Really?
12:52 < YuviPanda> aude: I'm going to go sleep in about 10
12:52 < IDoH> Oh, you've been unblocked, JustBerry.
12:52 < QueenOfFrance> IDoH: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AJustBerry
12:52 < QueenOfFrance> oh nvm you found it too
12:53 < IDoH> Oh, all right.
12:53 < IDoH> Actually, the period should've been a question mark
12:53 < IDoH> JustBerry: Go to WP:AIV
12:53 < JustBerry> Yes, I realize. I think it's a little late to tell me that, but thanks.
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12:54 < IShadowed> can has c/e? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Wylde
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12:54 < QueenOfFrance> JustBerry: anyway, I'm here, if it's simple, I can handle it
12:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> obama to take our bans?
12:55 < JustBerry> QueenOfFrance The issue is in the process of being resolved, thank you though.
12:56 < QueenOfFrance> Good, that means I can go back to trying to figure out why on earth Neverwinter isn't loading PRotector's Enclave >.<
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12:59 < YuviPanda> aude: off to sleep :) leave a comment or something if you want me to look at it agian :)
12:59 < YuviPanda> gnite!
12:59 < aude> YuviPanda: added
12:59 < aude> $( '.geonotice' ).last().next().hide();
12:59 < YuviPanda> hmmm
13:00 < YuviPanda> that's sortof hacky
13:00 < aude> that works though maybe can be more elegant
13:00 < aude> yes
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13:00 < YuviPanda> we should at least restrict it to hrs only
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13:00 < aude> ok
13:00 < YuviPanda> aude: ah, wait
13:00 < YuviPanda> aude: we can give the hr an id
13:00 < YuviPanda> aude: and then use it to remove it :)
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13:01 < aude> better!
13:01 < YuviPanda> :D
13:01 < YuviPanda> clean and elegant
13:01 < YuviPanda> (well, at least elegant-er)
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13:02 < aude> thanks for your help YuviPanda
13:02 < YuviPanda> :)
13:02 < YuviPanda> thanks for adding features to geonotice :)
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13:03 < YuviPanda> i'm off to bed now, aude
13:03 < aude> now we won't annoy the canadians with geonotices for the great american wiknic :)
13:03 < YuviPanda> feel free to grab me for similar things
13:03 < YuviPanda> hehe :)
13:03 < aude> ok
13:03 < YuviPanda> I thought canadians can never be annoyed :)
13:03 < aude> they do!
13:04 < YuviPanda> i've been fed lies! I was told that they will all go 'eh?' and ignore it
13:04 < YuviPanda> gnite!
13:05 < aude> goodnight
13:05 < TheDruId> gnite, Ralph.
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13:09 < soap-lazy> SandyGeorgia is back!!
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13:11 < mattbuck> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/28/a-cat-repeatedly-saying-al-gore/
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13:20 < Jafeluv> anyone around to help me with a histmerge issue?
13:21 < soap-lazy> hi Jaf
13:21 < soap-lazy> long time n0o see
13:21 < Jafeluv> hey soap
13:22 < Jafeluv> can i pm you?
13:22 < soap-lazy> ok
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14:06 < Maeby> IDoH, I'm trying to resist the urge to troll.
14:06 < IDoH> Hah
14:06 < Maeby> Help me.
14:06 < IDoH> DON'T TROLL!
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14:06 < Maeby> Well the entire country is on IRC!!
14:06 < Maeby> how can I not?
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14:09 < martijnHH> drop the connection and slowly back away from the keyboard
14:09 < Jetro> troll youtube
14:11 < martijnHH> anyone here good with software licenses?
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14:14 < russavia> any admin around can undelete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Russavia/747 thnx
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14:18 < elquanto> what does "whilst" mean at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Renewable_energy ?
14:19 < soap-lazy> its just another word for "while"
14:19 < soap-lazy> technically there was a difference like 400 years ago, but theyre basically just the same now
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14:20 < soap-lazy> you see the 'whilst' spelling mostly from the UK and foreign language learners like East Asians
14:20 < elquanto> I ask because the discussion referred to does not appear to be ongoing. Is the original request good?
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14:23 < elquanto> Pharos, greetings
14:24 < elquanto> please review the declined request at the end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Renewable_energy
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14:25 < soap-lazy> wait youre the chinese guy
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14:26 < soap-lazy> maybe they dont use it in east Asia then
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14:27 < NotASpy> russavia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Russavia/747 and I'm now blocking you. Boeing 747s are used by Eastern European airlines, that's a violation of your topic ban. :p
14:27 < elquanto> GorillaWarfare, congrats on landing the book grouping json summer job
14:27 < GorillaWarfare> Thanks elquanto!
14:28 < russavia> indeed they are
14:28 < russavia> thanks for that
14:28 < russavia> there will be some inventive reasoning for blocks -- i've already seen it
14:28 < russavia> but notaspy -- you wanna see something that i did mention?
14:28 < elquanto> do you have time for a quick declined editsemiprotected review, GorillaWarfare? end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Renewable_energy
14:29 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Russavia/Appeal#Email_from_22_February
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14:29 < GorillaWarfare> elquanto: It looks like it's already been done
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14:30 < russavia> simply put -- what disruption is the topic ban serving to prevent?
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14:32 < CumInDryNites> [16:31] Users on #wikipedia-en: AlexJFox russavia tzatziki Guest72547 StevenW Rock_drum martijnHH Guest83699 lfaraone_ XJR-9 anona Guest32663 ShreCk Mono Ocaasi__ LoganCloud mariorz Jeske_Couriano Falcorian mindspillage armufox JohnLewis IShadowed anustart phuzion Zhaofeng_Li soap-lazy Gfoley4 petan camerin NotKruz ow ItzExor wywin eeekster_ jayne| Solarra Jnorton7558_alt Vito Moskau YE AlmostLive Qcoder00 koishi Headbomb|AfK kunwo
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14:32 < Pancetta> hi
14:32 < jbroome> boom headshot
14:32 < Qcoder00> ops
14:32 < Qcoder00> ?
14:32 < Pancetta> a little slow on the uptake qcoder
14:32 < D_> Well then
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14:32 < FunPika> !ops
14:32 < lahwran> <CumInDryNites> CumInDryNites
14:32 < StevenW> thanks jbroome
14:32 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+r] by Spitfire
14:32 <@Maeby> Idoru got it
14:32 < Jetro> HAHAA >:D
14:32 < soap-lazy> eww diapers
14:32 <@Spitfire> FunPika, that's really not needed.
14:32 <@Spitfire> But thanks anyway.
14:32 < lahwran> I like how the spammer ... pinged themself first.
14:32  * lahwran facepalms
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14:33 < elquanto> GorillaWarfare: the question is, is the discussion actually ongoing and if not is the original request good?
14:33 < GorillaWarfare> Gosh, I'm awful at this whole operator thing
14:33 <@Spitfire> GorillaWarfare, type random shit and pretend you know what you're doing.
14:33 <@Spitfire> That's how I get by.
14:33 < D_> How many times have you banned *!*@*?
14:34 < GorillaWarfare>  /make /self /op /how /do /i /operate /this /thing
14:34 < GorillaWarfare> D_: Exactly 0. Same number of times I've banned anything :P
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14:34 < D_> Well, good job then
14:34 < GorillaWarfare> elquanto: Not much time has passed since s/he commented there, and it's going against any consensus that may have been established
14:34 < martijnHH> so, now that everyone is around, anybody who is good with software licenses?
14:35 < elquanto> consensus?
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14:35 < NotASpy> russavia: is that a list of current 747 operators or all 747 operators ever ?
14:36 < russavia> past and present
14:36 < soap-lazy> i remember seeing a ban for *!*@ once
14:36 < soap-lazy> it didnt do anything
14:36 < soap-lazy> presumably if it had been *!*@* it would have banned everybody
14:36 < GorillaWarfare> elquanto: The discussion here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Carbon_neutral_fuel#Confusion_among_title.2C_summary.2C_and_contents
14:36 < NotASpy> russavia: are you missing Aer Lingus (I couldn't see it). http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2006-11/25/1708.jpg
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14:37 < russavia> weird that i'd miss aer lingus
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14:37 < elquanto> yeah, the same comments; there is also some stuff in the talk and archives
14:38 < russavia> add aer lingus
14:38 < elquanto> what do you think about the diff out of context? high quality sources?
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14:44 < elquanto> I nominate GabrielF for the nicest wikipedian to see join irc whilst in the developing world trying to improve air quality. And now if you'll excuse me, gotta read a PDF. Will need an opinion on that diff later
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14:44 < GabrielF> thank you :)
14:45  * IDoH thought she was the nicest Wikipedian, but hugs GabrielF anyway.
14:45 < NotASpy> russavia: is this reliable ? http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Aer%20Lingus-history-b747.htm
14:45 < GabrielF> lol
14:45 < mattbuck> the number of qualifiers make that compliment rather backhanded I think
14:45 < russavia> notaspy -- yeah for air enthusiasts -- for WP -- maybe not
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14:47 < NotASpy> http://corporate.aerlingus.com/companyprofile/history/milestoneevents/ - 747s in service from 1971 to 1995
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14:55 < russavia> yep first delivered on 6 march 1971
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15:07 < Jetro> SLAP******
15:07  * affiliated has just BITCHSLAPPED  Jetro  across the face!
15:07 < Fox2k12> I'm up ..lol
15:07 < Jetro> you BATCH
15:07 < Jetro> >(
15:08  * Fox2k12 slaps Jetro with a large trout...
15:08 < affiliated> today, i crashed my whole computer network at school.
15:08 < Qcoder00> Shall I get out the water spray>
15:08 < Qcoder00> ?
15:08 < Jetro> Congrats!
15:08 < Jetro> How'd ya do that
15:08 < affiliated> killapache.pl
15:08 < Qcoder00> affiliated:  Thats not hard
15:08 < Fox2k12> affiliated good job..heresa your cookie.. :P
15:08 < Qcoder00> affiliated: Killing the school network is easy
15:09 < Swob> i didnt know you were still in school
15:09 < Shirik> school networks are not secured at all :P
15:09 < Shirik> want to kill it? ARP poisoning will probably be easy enough
15:09 < Fox2k12> getting rid of Deep freez from the class computer ain't easy :P
15:10 < Qcoder00> affiliated: Killing a school network is easy, getting the Head teacher of your school interviewed by the FBI harder...
15:10 < Qcoder00> but possible...
15:10 < Fox2k12> hehe
15:10 < affiliated> Using basic phishing skills, i got the network admin password by phishing the login page
15:10 < Qcoder00> affiliated:  So you are going to work in IT security?
15:10 < Qcoder00> :)
15:10 < Fox2k12> Getting expelled from school for hacking...priceless
15:10 < Qcoder00> Rule1 of hacking : Don't break anything
15:10 < affiliated> maybe -_-
15:11 < affiliated> i DNS poisoned as well
15:11 < russavia> notaspy -- look at EI entry
15:11 < SudoGhost> I don't see what listening to Phish has to do with passwords.
15:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dont poison dns
15:11 < Fox2k12> you got way to much free time if you have time to hack the schools computers..
15:11 < Qcoder00> I knew someone in the UK that hacked the school network
15:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fox2k12 I broke into the pentagon the other day
15:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> which is what I call my laptop
15:12 < Qcoder00> and nearly got the Head carted off for computer crime...
15:12 < Qcoder00> XD
15:12 < Fox2k12> ToAruShiroiNeko Yeah sure...
15:12 < SudoGhost> ToAruShiroiNeko: pfft.  I broke into the Octogon the other day.
15:12 < affiliated> ToAruShiroiNeko, redirecting a harmless website to youtube :)
15:12 < SudoGhost> That's like three more sides.
15:12 < Fox2k12> do they have internet in prison ToAruShiroiNeko ?
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15:12 < Qcoder00> affiliated: If you really want to do something useufl with privleged access , you can do things like finding the schools ethnic polices...
15:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fox2k12 actually, yes
15:13 < Fox2k12> xD...
15:13 < affiliated> Qcoder00, not a lot of asians in my school :P
15:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://mashable.com/2012/12/13/puerto-rican-jail-twitter/
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15:13 < Qcoder00> affiliated: Well that wouldn't be unusual
15:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 150 characters though
15:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats the limit of your internet, thats the punishment
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15:14 < Qcoder00> Personally, I don't think hacking the school computers is a challange
15:15 < Qcoder00> I was too busy writing actual code at the time...
15:15 < affiliated> I saw in security papers that a guy in canada found a massive security flaw in a popular school software
15:15 < Fox2k12> Qcoder00 treu...
15:15 < Fox2k12> true i mean...
15:16 < Fox2k12> burt if they are protected with Deep freeze it's more a challlenge to get rid of it w/o breaking the computer...
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15:16 < affiliated> Fox2k12, Deep Freeze can be broken easily
15:17 < Qcoder00> I don't bythe way approave of breaking security
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15:17 < Fox2k12> I don't think so
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15:17 < Qcoder00> afiliated : A real challange is figuring out to code things like how to make the school cafeteria more effecient...
15:17 < Fox2k12> the older version had a flaw that could be used to disable it but in newer version this has been fixed...
15:17 < Qcoder00> (which is in effect math modelling)
15:18 < SudoGhost> Is the "Also Selling" part of the New York Times bestseller list considered part of the actual bestseller list?  It covers postiion #21-35, are those books "New York Times Bestsellers"?
15:18 < Qcoder00> And before you say I am being silly,   There HAVE been schools that have done queue managment simulation work
15:18 < Fox2k12> or modifiy the school sprinklers... (yes i watched to much movies.. :P)
15:18 < Qcoder00> Huh?
15:18 < Fox2k12> huh?
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15:19 < Fox2k12> you don't know that movie?
15:19 < Qcoder00> Why the School Sprinklers?
15:19 < Fox2k12> idk.. for fun i guess
15:19 < affiliated> cool way to piss off the school security
15:19 < affiliated> rub a match against rough walls
15:19 < Fox2k12> yeah..
15:19 < Qcoder00> I've heard rumours someone formely on here as a project mapped all the blind spots in his Schools CCTV
15:19 < affiliated> while walking
15:19 < Fox2k12> "the pool on the roof must have a leak" :P
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15:20 < Qcoder00> I don't approve at all of modifying safety equipment
15:20 < Qcoder00> Which sprinklers are
15:20 < affiliated> my next target, the school principal.
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15:20 < Qcoder00> affiliated :  No
15:20 < Fox2k12> me neither...
15:20 < Qcoder00> You don't target the School Principal directly , ever
15:20 < Fox2k12> but in the movie he just ran a test by changing the test time to school hours...
15:21 < Qcoder00> affiliated:  If you want a positive outlet for your talents do something like mining bitcoins or something :)
15:21 < affiliated> dude, in my latest hit, all computers are 2013 models
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15:22 < Fox2k12> Qcoder00 you don't target the school principal at all...
15:22 < Qcoder00> Unless you have good evidence that he's up to no good
15:22 < Fox2k12> mining Bit coins.. *chuckles* yeah and then let them go down the drain.. like liberty reserve...
15:23 < affiliated> heh
15:23 < affiliated> i am actually mining some bitcoins
15:23 < affiliated> :D
15:24 < Fox2k12> with what? your schools cluster-network?
15:24 < Qcoder00> Also if you want a real challange, I am sure there are programming projects that need help
15:24 < affiliated> Fox2k12, yes.
15:24 < Fox2k12> or with your home pc ? how are the chances of get a coin?
15:24 < Qcoder00> affiliated; Have you ever done any code analysis stuff?
15:25 < Qcoder00> Like testing websites for flaws?
15:25 < Fox2k12> I think before you make a coin your elctricity Bill will eat you up :P
15:25 < Fox2k12> electricity*
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15:27 < affiliated> Fox2k12 heh
15:27 < affiliated> not running the mining on all of them
15:27 < affiliated> on like 10 precise computers
15:28 < Fox2k12> hmm
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15:28 < Fox2k12> that will rise the temp's and consumption significantly a good admin would notice that and be cautioned...
15:30 < Revent> affiliated: You do realize that technically mining bitcoins on computers you don't own without permission is 'theft of service', right?
15:30 < Fox2k12> yep..
15:30 < affiliated> yup
15:30 < affiliated> altough they do run for like
15:30 < affiliated> 2 hours
15:30 < affiliated> then the script stops
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15:30 < Fox2k12> you can't find a new block within 2 hrs
15:31 < affiliated> yeah
15:31 < Fox2k12> making your mining quite useless...
15:31 < affiliated> anyways
15:31 < affiliated> I've gotten into the school security camera easily
15:31 < Swob> i think a lot of people are using viruses/botnets to mine for bitcoins
15:31 < Swob> basically you install some software on another PC, and it runs in the background, and the other user doesnt notice anything
15:31 < affiliated> Swob, it's true.
15:31 < affiliated> so true.
15:31 < affiliated> I've seen this many times
15:32 < Fox2k12> affiliated how many hashes you have per second ?
15:32 < Shirik> Fox2k12: Sure you can
15:32 < Shirik> You can find a block in less than a second
15:32 < Shirik> it's just really, really unlikely
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15:32 < Fox2k12> yes thats the point...
15:33 < Shirik> but if you do it a million times
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15:33 < Shirik> chances are you'll find a block at some point
15:33 < Fox2k12> finding a block in a second how are the odds to get hit by a lighthning in firstplace?
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15:33 < Shirik> There is no difference between finding a block in a continuous sweep of 5000 seconds vs. running 5000 computers for 1 second
15:34 < affiliated> unless a good CPU
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15:34 < Fox2k12> http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/ <-- XD
15:35 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en
15:36 < Fox2k12> or here http://bitminer.info/ <--
15:36 < Shirik> ?
15:36 < Shirik> what's the XD for
15:36 -!- Sarcasm [~sarcastic@unaffiliated/sarcasm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
15:36 < affiliated> Wonder if mining bitcoins on a super computer would go pretty fast :P
15:36 < Shirik> most supercomputers are CPU-based
15:36 < Shirik> which makes them mostly worthless
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15:37 < Shirik> at a minimum nowadays you need to have a GPU, and even that's going to be gone very soon
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15:38 < Fox2k12> despite the fact that most servers have a low-profile GPU... mining on cpu will take days to min a coin even with 5000 cpu's (and which school has a server rack with 5000 machines either way?)
15:38 < Qcoder00> affiliates- https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEkQFjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cryptochallenge.com%2F&ei=vzGlUeCnJoqy0QXJn4DgCw&usg=AFQjCNEruoU28F3qWR4_TNvDfw0Dg7Yfig&sig2=3l79ZKjaECR8Zo7ZBfVzKw&bvm=bv.47008514,d.d2k
15:38 < Qcoder00> *affiliated sorry
15:38 < Shirik> you're missing my point
15:38 < Shirik> my point is that if you consistently run a script for 2 hours at a time, you're bound to find something eventually, just as equally well as if that script was just running permanently
15:39 < Fox2k12> a Radeon 7970 will consume 200 watt per hour and will mone 5 coins per day...
15:39 < Shirik> there is no meaning to your statement (15:30:56) (Fox2k12) you can't find a new block within 2 hrs
15:39 < Shirik> a 7970 would not get 5 BTC per day
15:39 < Fox2k12> a new block = a Coin
15:39 < Shirik> not even remotely close
15:39 < Shirik> and a new block is not 1 coin
15:39 < Swob> 5 bitcoins is a lot these days
15:39 < Swob> thats like $100
15:39 < Shirik> 5 bitcoins is about $700
15:39 < Fox2k12> well teh wbiste says that http://bitminer.info/ <--
15:40 < Shirik> dude
15:40 < Shirik> let me break this down for you
15:40 < Fox2k12> website*
15:40  * IShadowed popcorn
15:40 < Fox2k12> lol
15:40 < Shirik> I AM a bitcoin miner, and I own one of the most powerful 7970s that exist right now
15:40 < Swob> whoa
15:40 < IShadowed> oh shit here comes the ego
15:40 < IShadowed> everyone duck
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15:40 < Swob> they crossed over $100?!
15:40 < Fox2k12> no need too... affiliated i would like to see your balance of you BC-wallet :P
15:40 < Shirik> yes
15:40 < Shirik> now having said all of that
15:41 < Fox2k12> Shirik I'd like to see your energy Bill :P
15:41 < Shirik> (to answer that question: I transfer almost all of it to USD, to pay off electricity costs and profit, so there's no point to showing you my wallet)
15:41 < Fox2k12> when is your break even?
15:41 < Swob> the geniuses who got in on the bitcoin trade when everyone thought it was going to fail must be laughing so hard right now
15:41 < affiliated> ego bomb
15:41 < Shirik> oh I keep very close eye on my electricity costs, because they're a tax deduction
15:41 < Shirik> now
15:41 < Shirik> all this being said
15:41 < Shirik> guess how many blocks I've found in my......
15:42 < Shirik> I bought this card a year ago I think?
15:42 < Swob> one?
15:42 < Shirik> zero
15:42 < Swob> i was close
15:42 < Fox2k12> so you mining coins just to pay your electricity costs ?
15:42 < affiliated> Shirik, psh
15:42 < affiliated> I have a Radeon HD 7870XT in my computer.
15:42 < Shirik> I mine in a pool so it doesn't really matter
15:42 < Fox2k12> okay..
15:42 < Shirik> but point is, I am not getting 5 BTC a day, and I'm certainly not finding blocks at any decent rate
15:43 < affiliated> what grade are you in, Shirik?
15:43 < Fox2k12> so.. it's senseless?
15:43 < Fox2k12> why to mine then?
15:43 < Shirik> no, I make a profit
15:43 < Shirik> affiliated?
15:43 < affiliated> school grade
15:43 < Shirik> I'm 26
15:43 < affiliated> and a virgin?
15:44 < Shirik> ok change of topic temporarily
15:44 < Swob> lol
15:44 < Shirik> are you TRYING to get banned, or what exactly?
15:44 < affiliated> OOoh, FACE!
15:44 < Fox2k12> and one day when it goes down the drain... a lot of people  will start to cry because they coins are gone for good...
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15:44 < affiliated> Well, i'm going on my senior year of HS
15:44 < Shirik> Fox2k12: And I don't hold onto bitcoins for exactly that reason :)
15:44 < Swob> yeah bitcoin has crashed before
15:44  * IShadowed looks affiliated up and down
15:44  * affiliated looks IShadowed up and down
15:44 < IShadowed> ...is this a bot
15:45 < IShadowed> or do you have a script
15:45 < Swob> there was one day when it went down to a penny and the bitcoin managers just said "oops!" and pretended it never happened
15:45 < Fox2k12> yes this is why most people converted their coins to liberty reserve... for that reason and look where they money is now...gone
15:45 < affiliated> Just wrote it
15:45 < affiliated> lol
15:45 < Swarlley> Shirik: how do you mine
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15:45 < Swob> he's unaffiliated
15:45 < Swob> but affiliated
15:46 < Shirik> Swob: That happens in NYSE/Nasdaq too :P
15:46 < IShadowed> <affiliated> Well, i'm going on my senior year of HS
15:46 < IShadowed> what're your grades like
15:46 < Shirik> Swarlley: Not sure I understand the question
15:46 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
15:46 < Shirik> like... how does one become a miner?
15:46  * Swob bzzzzes aroud the room like a hornet and stings affiliated
15:46 < IShadowed> no, how does one become a minor
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15:46 < Swarlley> IShadowed: ha, good one
15:46 < Fox2k12> xD
15:47 < Swarlley> might even bring sophiie back
15:47 < Swarlley> anyways...
15:47 < Swarlley> Shirik: how the hell does one earn money by having a graphics card
15:47  * Swarlley is confused
15:47 < affiliated> IShadowed, grade 11
15:47 < Shirik> you perform a comptutationally difficult challenge that people pay for
15:47 < affiliated> so you can get my age easily
15:47 < Shirik> if you're looking for a more direct answer
15:47 < IShadowed> affiliated, no, what are your grades like. Your marks. Your scores. Those kinds of grades.
15:48 < affiliated> oh, my mistake.
15:48 < IShadowed> :P
15:48 < affiliated> A in math, A in science, B+ in sports
15:48 < IShadowed> what maths, what science
15:48 < affiliated> fine
15:49 < Shirik> this is the first google result for how to use cgminer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1TKYpxTmso
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15:50 < affiliated> IShadowed, i had a LOT of choices and i'm making more for next year
15:50 < IShadowed> ...okay?
15:50 < IShadowed> what does this mean
15:50 -!- AnonDiss [~AnonDiss@110.151.6.165] has joined #wikipedia-en
15:50 < affiliated> It's complicated but here you go
15:50 < affiliated> http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/curriculum/secondary/grade11.html
15:51 < IShadowed> yeah but what course :P
15:53 < Shirik> that teacher looks like she's on drugs
15:53 < IShadowed> only you..
15:53 < Fox2k12> http://www.bradynetwork.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=50761.0&pgwrap=n <-- lol WTF..?
15:55 < IShadowed> <silence>
15:55 < IShadowed> conclusion: not taking cool course
15:55  * IShadowed crosses name off of list
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15:56 < affiliated> Functions and Applications (math)
15:56 < affiliated> Canadian-US History (history)
15:56 < affiliated> World Issues
15:56 < affiliated> Race, Gender and Rights
15:56 < affiliated> Courses in Computer Sciences
15:56 < affiliated> Courses on Sports
15:56 < Sarcasm> I'M TAKING ADVANCED MICROECONOMICS IS THIS COOL
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15:56 < IShadowed> No
15:57 < Sarcasm> > courses in computer science
15:57 < Sarcasm> hahahahaha what a vague title
15:57 < IShadowed> I'm taking advanced macroeconomics
15:57 < IShadowed> AP macro or die
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15:57 < affiliated> micropayments ftw.
15:57 < Fox2k12> hmm shadowed what list?
15:57 < IShadowed> ?
15:57 < Sarcasm> Don't be silly, IShadowed, I'm talking about a college course
15:57 < affiliated> IShadowed, do you want a picture of my schedule?
15:57 < IShadowed> even worse
15:57 < IShadowed> affiliated, sure
15:57 < Sarcasm> (I know :3)
15:57 < Fox2k12> (00:55:17) * IShadowed crosses name off of list <-- ?
15:57 < affiliated> please, i hate :3
15:57 < Sarcasm> derivatives of derivatives of derivatives
15:57 < Sarcasm> :3
15:57 < Sarcasm> :3
15:57 < Sarcasm> :3
15:57 < Sarcasm> :3
15:57 < IShadowed> list of potential suitors
15:57 < Sarcasm> DEAL WITH IT :3
15:57 < Swob> spaaaaam
15:57 < Prodego> hey hey hey
15:57  * affiliated has just BITCHSLAPPED  Sarcasm  across the face!
15:58 < Sarcasm> naughty naughty
15:58 < Fox2k12> oh okay..
15:58 < Revent> *chuckles* Are we allowed to add 'this person is a nitwit' to an author's bio when they have the wrong ISBN for their own book on their own webpage?
15:58 < Sarcasm> also
15:58 < Sarcasm> > looking for suitors on wikipedia
15:58 < Sarcasm> gonna have a bad time there, miss
15:58 < IShadowed> it's not a bad strategy
15:58 < affiliated> I'm from Toronto
15:58 < IShadowed> ok it is
15:58 < IShadowed> but not on irc
15:58 < IShadowed> ok it still is
15:58 < IShadowed> I HAVE COOL FRIENDS THOUGH
15:58 < IShadowed> x_x
15:58 < Sarcasm> glad you see the error in your ways
15:58 < affiliated> no, i doN't smoke crack.
15:59 < IShadowed> cool story?
15:59 < Sarcasm> also I'm pretty sure high school course names is a pretty poor way of selecting for interesting people
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15:59 < IShadowed> nope
15:59 < Revent> affiliated: Works better to crush and snort it, from what I hear.
15:59 < IShadowed> speaks to motivation
15:59 < IShadowed> all about the motivation
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15:59 < Sarcasm> I... Okay, sure.
15:59 < affiliated> Revent, email Rob Ford, the mayor of Toronto on tips :)
15:59 < Swob> the guy who is in jail
15:59 < Shirik> on a totally unrelated note
15:59 < Shirik> derivatives of derivatives are easy
15:59 < Sarcasm> I had straight Cs in AP courses, what does that mean, IShadowed?
15:59 < Sarcasm> Shirik - shhhh
15:59 < Shirik> in fact, the more derivatives you add, the easier it becomes (usually)
15:59  * IShadowed shrugs
16:00 < IShadowed> you took AP
16:00 < IShadowed> this is good
16:00 < Sarcasm> No it's not
16:00 < juliancolton> you took the associated press
16:00 < Prodego> Shirik: only if it is easy L)
16:00 < Sarcasm> I think it would show ambition more than motivation
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16:00 < Revent> Most derivative (that you see in textbooks) are easy....just not until you learn thirks they teach later.
16:00 < Shirik> if it's a polynomial it's always true!
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16:00 < Revent> *tricks*
16:00 < Sarcasm> WHAT BUTTON WAS THAT
16:00 < Sarcasm> rip
16:00 < IShadowed> meg
16:00 < IShadowed> meh*
16:00 < juliancolton> AP classes show college brown-nosing more than ambition/motivation
16:00 < Sarcasm> ^
16:00 < Sarcasm> oh hey it's jc
16:00 < Sarcasm> sup man
16:01 < Sarcasm> long time no talk
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16:01 < juliancolton> hey :)
16:01 < Sarcasm> you in college yet?
16:01 < IShadowed> still disagree
16:01 < Revent> (i.e. expand all the trig functions as powers of e)
16:01 < affiliated> sup juliancolton, new photos?
16:01 < IShadowed> there's a massive difficulty hike between standard, honors, and AP classes
16:01 < IShadowed> standard and honors are like yeahwhatever
16:01 < IShadowed> AP is like "What, I have to think now"
16:01 < Sarcasm> Depends on the school too though, IShadowed
16:01 < IShadowed> sure
16:01 < juliancolton> affiliated: too busy/bad weather the past couple weeks :(
16:02 < IShadowed> this holds true at my school, though, and my experience is most of what I care about
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16:02 < Sarcasm> I thought you liked bad weather, juliancolton
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16:02 < juliancolton> depends on what you consider "bad". good weather for me would be a raging blizzard, or at least some kelvin-helmholtz instability clouds
16:02 < IShadowed> note to self: if you write about pornstars, /no one will copyedit for you/
16:02  * IShadowed sob
16:02 < juliancolton> bad weather is partly cloudy to mostly cloudy and rainy
16:03 < Sarcasm> Weren't you into hurricanes way back when?
16:03 < juliancolton> IShadowed: nobody will copyedit for you anyway
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16:03 < IShadowed> disagree
16:03 < juliancolton> where "you" is a good-intentioned editor
16:03 < juliancolton> Sarcasm: of course, still am. it's my career path
16:03 < Sarcasm> Unless you write an article on something English
16:03 < Sarcasm> and Malleus
16:03 < Sarcasm> or Eric?
16:03 < Sarcasm> pokes his head out of the ground for a bit
16:03 < Sarcasm> Really wish I could clone him and then enslave him to c/e my stuff
16:04 < Revent> TBH, they best way I've found to get 'attention' to an article is fill add it to WikiProjects and fill out the assessment.
16:04 < IShadowed> being lazy and still haven't drafted my DYK
16:04 < IShadowed> qq
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16:04 < Sarcasm> juliancolton, ah, cool. Meteorologist?
16:04 < IShadowed> aaaanyway woo AP
16:04  * IShadowed one track minds
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16:04 < Sarcasm> screw APs, I got like 5 credits out of them and took like 14
16:04 < Sarcasm> so not worth it
16:05 < IShadowed> you don't take AP for credits lmao
16:05 < Swob> juliancolton did you get any snow last week?
16:05 < juliancolton> yup. just haven't figured out if I'm better off in the government, private sector forecasting, academia, local, etc
16:05 < Swob> i heard New York got some snow in the mountains
16:05 < Swob> that is if youre still in New York
16:05 < juliancolton> 30 miles north of me did
16:05 < Sarcasm> IShadowed, take it from me
16:05 < juliancolton> in the Catskills
16:05 < Swob> cool
16:05 < IShadowed> why would I
16:05 < juliancolton> I was gonna drive to find it but work was too busy
16:05 < Sarcasm> after you hit college, you realize getting into a "better school" based on how many APs you took doesn't work out
16:06 < IShadowed> ...also not the point of AP
16:06 < Sarcasm> What's the point of AP then?
16:06 < Prodego> Gets you out of college classes
16:06 < IShadowed> "Taking AP isn't about learning things, it's about inspiring an interest and providing an excuse to go learn things."
16:06 < IShadowed> this quote
16:06 < Prodego> which is very very nice
16:06 < Sarcasm> But it didn't, which was my point, Prodego
16:07 < Sarcasm> Inspiring an interest, hahaha, what optimistic thinking
16:07 < IShadowed> yeah I don't think colleges should give credit for them
16:07 < Prodego> IShadowed: eh, I see no reason to retake calc, for example
16:07 < IShadowed> I do
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16:08 < Prodego> sounds like you weren't taught it properly
16:08 < Prodego> that'll depend on school
16:08 < IShadowed> ...excuse me?
16:08 < Sarcasm> Retake implies you didn't learn it right the first time
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16:08 < Sarcasm> and need to relearn it
16:08 < Sarcasm> by retaking it a second time
16:08 < IShadowed> No, it implies that the experience of the class itself is different
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16:08 < Sarcasm> In college, you'd presumably take a higher level math course
16:08 < Revent> TBH, the point of AP is /supposed/ to be to prepare you for the AP exam, so you can get 'free' college credits...
16:08 < Sarcasm> Real analysis, for instance
16:08 < Prodego> classes aren't about the experience
16:08 < Prodego> they are about learning the subject matter
16:08 < Sarcasm> not calculus 1+2 again
16:09 < IShadowed> supposed to, yes
16:09 < Sarcasm> Thus not retake
16:09 < IShadowed> and the point of the SAT is supposed to be to assess how smart you are
16:09 < IShadowed> but we all know that's crap
16:09 < IShadowed> so who cares about what things are supposed to do
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16:09 < Prodego> there is a correlation
16:09 < Sarcasm> APs are crap too, if we're walking down that path
16:09 < Prodego> it isn't perfect
16:09 < Prodego> but there has yet to be a better system to be accepted :)
16:10 < Sarcasm> There's an xkcd about setting standards that's pretty close to Prodego's point
16:10 < IShadowed> Sarcasm, no, said the tests are crap
16:10 < Sarcasm> or perhaps I'm thinking of something different
16:10 < IShadowed> didn't say the course is crap
16:10 < Sarcasm> The courses are largely crap because they teach to the test
16:10 < Revent> From what other people have told me, using an AP test to skip courses is generally a mistake.
16:10 < IShadowed> similarly, didn't say critical reading, writing, or maths was crap
16:10 < Sarcasm> If your school does otherwise, you're a lucky fucker
16:10 < IShadowed> <Revent> From what other people have told me, using an AP test to skip courses is generally a mistake.
16:10 < IShadowed> word
16:10 < Sarcasm> Revent, again, depends on the school
16:10 < IShadowed> Sarcasm, I just make them teach otherwise
16:10 < Prodego> Revent: if you aren't taught it well, then yes
16:11 < Prodego> but if they do a good job
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16:11 < IShadowed> still disagree
16:11 < IShadowed> there's a lot to be said for the perspective brought to a class
16:11 < IShadowed> In pretty much any field ever
16:11 < Sarcasm> I skipped CS 101 and 102 at my school and I've getting a perfectly viable CS degree
16:12 < Revent> *nods* That's relevant to your high school, not the 'AP test' tho...and you can pass the test and not have the 'depth' in the subject to make the next class as easy as it would be if you actually too it for real.
16:12 < IShadowed> ....that's not the point
16:12 < Sarcasm> The perspective from 101 was useful (I audited it)
16:12 < Sarcasm> but 102 was an absolute waste of time
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16:12 < Sarcasm> Put it this way, I learned more in the AP course than I did in 101 and 102 combined
16:13 < IShadowed> then it sounds like you went somewhere that taught at a lower level than a high school
16:13  * IShadowed shrugs
16:13 < Prodego> The classes I skipped using AP credit allowed me to study higher level material than I otherwise would have been able to
16:13 < Prodego> that is the point
16:13 < Sarcasm> ^
16:13 < Prodego> you only have so many semesters and so much time
16:13 < Sarcasm> The intro level courses are built for people who didn't take computer science in high school
16:13 < IShadowed> No one's arguing that
16:13 < Prodego> if you coming in knowing material, that lets you progress ahead
16:16 < Prodego> sure, there is a difference between knowing the material and being able to pass the AP test
16:16 < Sarcasm> ie. skipping classes
16:16 < IShadowed> My entire point is that AP is useful. But not inherently because it lets you skip.
16:16 < Sarcasm> Wait, IShadowed, aren't you in high school though?
16:16 < IShadowed> Yes
16:16 < Sarcasm> I... Okay, sure.
16:16 < Revent> Prodego: It's also entirely possible to pass an AP test when you /don't/ know the material, by 'gaming' it with test-taking strategies....true on any 'standardized' test...
16:16 < Prodego> Revent: yep
16:16 < Sarcasm> I got straight 5s on APs by gaming it!
16:16 < Sarcasm> s/it/them
16:16 < Prodego> and if you do that, then I suggest retaking the material and not using it for credit :)
16:16 < Sarcasm> I didn't retake the material and have remained stupid!
16:17 < IShadowed> shocking
16:17 < Swob> hey its AnonDiss
16:17 < Sarcasm> <Sarcasm>
16:17 < Revent> The "Duke Talent Search" is a long-term research study that gives the SAT to 7th graders, and then tracks their later progress....my school district hired the Princeton Review for us before we took it. :P
16:18  * IShadowed snorts
16:18 < Revent> We had 7th graders breaking 1150.
16:18 < Prodego> that the SAT selects those who prepare for it isn't entirely a bad thing
16:18 < Sarcasm> Motivated individuals are good, right IShadowed?
16:18 < IShadowed> 1150 isn't really that difficult to break :P
16:19 < IShadowed> not necessarily
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16:19 < IShadowed> it tends to be something I personally appreciate because I value that over morality, generally
16:19 < IShadowed> but like, Hitler was motivated :P
16:19 < IShadowed> (woo Godwin's law)
16:20 < Revent> IShadowed: Yeah, but kids who haven't taken algebra yet? Totally gaming the test...
16:20 < IShadowed> ...and?
16:20 < Revent> I just found it funny.
16:20 < IShadowed> There's nothing wrong with gaming tests, they measure nothing anyway
16:20 < IShadowed> so who cares
16:20 < Sarcasm> Revent, she knows more than you do, don't try arguing with her
16:20 < IShadowed> If you could not speak for me, that would be great.
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16:21 < Revent> When the only point of giving the test at that point is a research study, intentionally fucking up the study to 'look good' is kinda lame.
16:21 < Prodego> also fun
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16:22 < IShadowed> Unfortunately, institutions everywhere use standardized test scores to measure the effectiveness of teaching, the "intelligence" of students, the performance of schools...
16:22 < IShadowed> so no, not really. There's an actual incentive to do well on them.
16:22 < IShadowed> People aren't rational
16:22  * IShadowed shrugs
16:22 < Sarcasm> I wonder, how much do things like the Princeton Review bump up scores on average?
16:22 < IShadowed> a lot :P
16:22 < IShadowed> anecdotally, I've heard friends say 250-300 points on the test overall
16:22 < Sarcasm> Got any data to back that up? I mean, I believe you, but
16:22 < Bsadowski1> http://www.explosm.net/comics/3185/
16:23 < Bsadowski1> >_>
16:23 < Swob> lol
16:23 < IShadowed> I'm sure there's some research somewhere, but I feel comfortable with that guestimate in conversation
16:23 < Swob> explosm really needs to use tags
16:23 < Swob> to make it easier to find similar comics
16:23 < Revent> *nods* I think that's probably accurate....300 or so would be near the 'statistical' benefit of the 'answer elimination' tricks, which is the biggest thing...
16:24 < Revent> (i.e. about 25% of the 'available' points)
16:24 < Sarcasm> I also wonder, is there a difference between the classes and the books?
16:24 < IShadowed> YES
16:24 < IShadowed> because the entire point of the books is to game the test :P
16:25 < Sarcasm> If we're talking anecdotally, I saw a bump from the books but nothing from the classes
16:25 < IShadowed> the (partial) point of classes is to actually teach the material
16:25 < Sarcasm> In practice tests, anyway
16:25 < IShadowed> and knowing the material doesn't actually do a ton to boost your scores
16:25 < IShadowed> like, yes, some. But test taking skills are far more effective.
16:25 < Sarcasm> No, I meant Princeton Review classes
16:25 < IShadowed> oh
16:25 < Sarcasm> do they actually teach you the material?
16:25  * IShadowed shrugs
16:25 < IShadowed> never bothered
16:25 < Sarcasm> Pretty sure it's rehashes of the books
16:25 < Revent> They 'kinda' do....
16:26 < IShadowed> I've done the SAT online review, but it's pretty crap
16:26 < IShadowed> so whatevs
16:26 < Sarcasm> That's what I figured
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16:26 < IShadowed> my school paid for it though, but I don't care
16:26 < Prodego> The prep books are good at showing you the type of questions on the tests
16:26 < Bsadowski1> http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/advertising-fail-hitler-kettle-ad-goes-viral-29302595.html
16:26 < Bsadowski1> :O
16:26 < Revent> More 'here's the optimal way to solve the problems' than actually teaching comprehension.
16:26 < martijnHH> do SAT scores have any real-live value?
16:26 < IShadowed> no.
16:26  * martijnHH shrugs
16:26 < Bsadowski1> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/hitler-kettle-jc-penneys-advert-1917601
16:26 < Sarcasm> martijnHH, after college admissions, no
16:26  * IShadowed comfortable with her broad answer
16:26 < martijnHH> no use in gaming them then
16:27 < IShadowed> no, there is
16:27 < IShadowed> college admissions :P
16:27 < Sarcasm> you can game your way into a slightly better school though.
16:27 < IShadowed> ^
16:27 < Sarcasm> inasmuch as schools use cutoffs
16:27 < Prodego> martijnH: only so much as people give them
16:27 < Revent> The 'better' schools only just it as a 'filter' though....
16:27 < juliancolton> life is about manipulating things to further yourself... not only school
16:27 < Revent> *use it*
16:27 < Sarcasm> I'm not convinced a 1500 looks that much worse than a 1550 to a top tier school
16:28 < juliancolton> MartijnHH: hey :)
16:28 < IShadowed> you're not getting anywhere near a top tier school with a 1500, so don't sweat it
16:28 < Prodego> the good thing about tests like the SAT is that it is something where you know everyone has been given the same material and the score is truly comparable
16:28 < Sarcasm> wait shit
16:28 < Revent> When you get to that level it's more about qualifying for scholarships...
16:28 < Sarcasm> what is the SAT out of these days
16:28 < IShadowed> 2400
16:28 < Sarcasm> OH LOL
16:28 < IShadowed> yeah
16:28 < IShadowed> 1500 is like
16:28 < Sarcasm> yeah
16:28 < IShadowed> "I'm addicted to crack"
16:28 < martijnHH> hi juliancolton
16:28 < Sarcasm> wait then why were we talking about kids getting 1150s
16:28 < Swob> most people probably dont get more than 1500
16:28 < Sarcasm> that's... pretty fuckin' awful
16:29 < Revent> Sarcasm: That was back in 'the day'.....early 90s
16:29 < Swob> my score was 1380
16:29 < Sarcasm> Oh, right, figured
16:29 < Sarcasm> Swob, that's out of 1600
16:29 < Swob> and that was above average
16:29 < Sarcasm> because we're all old fucks
16:29 < juliancolton> I got 1800 or something I think
16:29 < Swob> oh ok
16:29 < martijnHH> I still find myself wondering what the use in gaming them is - though I don't really know the difference between colleges
16:29 < Swob> with the reading score added in
16:29 < IShadowed> I'm sitting on a non-optimal score right now, but I haven't learned to game yet
16:29 < IShadowed> need to finish out the semester before I bother
16:29 < Sarcasm> ought to
16:29 < martijnHH> would a relatively poor student have much advantage of being admitted to a better school?
16:30 < IShadowed> if they're black
16:30 < Revent> The last time I took the SAT I totally screwed it up (it was the year they let you start using a calculator, and I didn't have one)
16:30  * IShadowed honesty
16:30 < Sarcasm> martijnHH, depends on the school
16:30 < juliancolton> most "excellent" students view colleges as trophies in my experience
16:30 < Prodego> The fact is that the best way to game the SAT is to learn the material
16:30 < Swob> most schools wont exclude you just for being poor
16:30 < Prodego> which makes it sort of useful
16:30 < IShadowed> Prodego, not true
16:30 < IShadowed> at all
16:30 < Swob> you just have to show you can pay the loans back when you graduate
16:31 < IShadowed> it's probably an advantage, honestly :P
16:31 < Prodego> IShadowed: well, when you get a better score than I did, then you can talk
16:31 < IShadowed> Prodego, no, I can actually talk either way, because scores mean nothing
16:31 < Revent> Ye, not true....if you can eliminate 'bogus' answers you can get a statistical benefit from guessing.
16:31 < Revent> Without knowing jack.
16:31 < juliancolton> scores mean a little bit of something...
16:31 < IShadowed> If you're an adult, and still leaning on your SAT for your sense of self-worth....
16:31 < Prodego> IShadowed: well, if you are trying to game the test, isn't getting a high score the whole point?
16:31 < IShadowed> ...I can see why that's all you got
16:32 < IShadowed> Prodego, not because it indicates anything
16:32 < IShadowed> because that's the vapid expectation
16:32 < Prodego> I'm not saying it does
16:32 < IShadowed> it's just a hoop to jump through
16:32 < IShadowed> I'm saying it doesn't
16:32 < IShadowed> so
16:32 < Prodego> just that I found the best way to do better on the test was to learn the material
16:32 < IShadowed> ok, and I found that just learning to game the test works fine
16:32 < juliancolton> yeah but how did you game the test
16:33 < Sarcasm> they're both... very useful
16:33 < martijnHH> I do note that learning the material doesn't actually take away your ability to improve your chances for answers you don't know by elimination
16:33 < Sarcasm> look, knowing the material allows you to pick the right damn answers, yeah?
16:33 < juliancolton> it's not like you held a college board official at gunpoint and asked him for the essay prompt ahead of time
16:33 < Sarcasm> and gaming the test lets you get a higher grade when you don't know the damn answers
16:33 < IShadowed> get review book, go through said book, read the tips about how to interpret phrasing, done
16:33 < IShadowed> pretty much it
16:33 < Sarcasm> so work on both of them, and your score goes up
16:33 < IShadowed> no knowledge of algebra required
16:33 < IShadowed> plug and chug
16:33 < Revent> juliancolton: By understanding how the test is scored, and how the 'wrong answers' are generated, you can make it to your benefit to guess...
16:33 < IShadowed> ^
16:34 < Sarcasm> if you're plug and chugging the math bits of the SAT, you're prolly going too slow
16:34 < IShadowed> well yes :P
16:34 < IShadowed> I only meant "not thinking about the problem itself"
16:34 < IShadowed> as in it's very mechanical and nothing else
16:34 < juliancolton> eh... I think I'm with Prodego broadly. I'd rather be able to know the answer than know how to make the pencil give me the answer
16:35 < IShadowed> generally, sure
16:35 < IShadowed> but not on the SAT :P
16:35 < Revent> At least back in the day, the 'optimal' strategy was to speed through the math just marking out obvious bad answers, put a 'guess' on every qeustion where you could eliminate two of the choices, and /then/ start actually taking the test.
16:35 < Revent> Same with the verbal (but not TSWE)
16:35 < IShadowed> :P
16:35 < Sarcasm> marking bad answers is a waste of time if you actually know how to do the problem
16:35 < IShadowed> not necessarily true
16:35 < Revent> Sarcasm: Naah, becuase you might not have /time/
16:35 < Prodego> Sarcasm: if you have the time it is good
16:36 < Sarcasm> Revent, put it this way, I had time.
16:36 < martijnHH> just for my understanding, what would be a representative math question?
16:36 < IShadowed> so?
16:36 < Sarcasm> I'm going to start sounding arrogant, so I'll stop
16:36 < Prodego> generally I did questions in order, solved the question exactly if possible
16:36 < Prodego> if I was unsure, I'd eliminate bad answers
16:36 < Sarcasm> I'm like Prodego
16:36 < Sarcasm> in the way I took the SAT, I mean
16:36 < Prodego> and on the verbal questions I'd always eliminate bad answers
16:36 < Prodego> unless it was really obvious
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16:38 < Revent> Honestly, when I had to deal with it (mid 90s) scoring well on the ASVAB was harder than scoring well on the SAT.
16:38 < Sarcasm> ASVAB?
16:38 < Revent> "Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery"
16:39 < Sarcasm> Right.
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16:39 < Swob> i rememeber that
16:40 < Swob> i was anti-military as a high school student until I saw that some of the most unpopular students were accepted and treated as equals in the ROTC
16:41 < Revent> That's more the case in ROTC than the actual military.
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16:42 < Swob> i would have thought that the army would be too concerned with business to have cliques. but OK
16:43 < Revent> Well....it's kinda odd....
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16:44 < Revent> Someone might be the 'shitbag' in your unit, and get crap from his 'buddies', but still be on the 'inside' compared to other units...
16:44 < Revent> (i.e. we hate him, but we've got his back in a bar fight)
16:45 < Swob> hm
16:45 < Swob> Guess there's no escaping human nature
16:45 < Swob> i never joined the military in the end
16:45 < Swob> in any form
16:46 < Revent> It's more a matter of 'esprit de corps' than anything...
16:46 < Swob> teh military is taking advice from the French??
16:47 < Swob> that wont end well
16:47 < Revent> *lols* it means 'spirit of the group'.....unit morale and cohesion.
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16:48 < Revent> You're specifically trained to 'automatically' back up any member of your unit...
16:48 -!- Jamesofur|away is now known as Jamesofur
16:49 < Revent> Kinda like "You can't hit my little brother...only /I/ can beat on him."
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16:51 < IDoH> Hey
16:52 < Monitos> Hi idoh ! :)
16:52 < IDoH> Hey, Monitos. Do I know you?
16:52 < Monitos> Yes
16:52 < IDoH> How so?
16:52 < Monitos> It's Carly :)
16:52 < IDoH> Oh.
16:52 < IDoH> Hi Carly.
16:53 < Monitos> ^_^
16:53  * Jetro slaps Monitos with a hair brush 
16:53 < Monitos> ?
16:53 < IDoH> Jetro. That was mean.
16:53 < Jetro> Noo
16:53 < IDoH> Yees
16:53 < IDoH> Meean.
16:53 < Monitos> JETRO :|
16:54 < Jetro> Rpeating it with elongated syllables really gets the message through
16:54 < Jetro> MONITOS :|
16:54 < IDoH> Heh
16:54 -!- zz_MissGayle is now known as MissGayle
16:54 < Monitos> Enough
16:54 < Jetro> I think it's sleeping tie
16:54 < Jetro> time
16:54 < Jetro> Nighty night
16:54 < Monitos> Jetro dont slap me¡
16:54  * Jetro brushes Monitos' and IDoH's hair. 
16:55 < Jetro> ^_^
16:55 < Prodego> take it to PM guys, or your own channel
16:55 < Monitos> O.o
16:55 < IDoH> Ah. Thanks.
16:55 < IDoH> Yeah, guys, this channel is for talking about the English Wikipedia.
16:55 < Jamesofur> Hey folks, if anyone is interested the FDC is doing an office hours on the Letter of Intent process in 5 minutes on #Wikimedia-office
16:55 < IDoH> What's the FDC, Jamesofur
16:55  * Jetro smears WikiLove on Prodego 
16:55 < Jetro> I'm off
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16:56 < juliancolton> Jamesofur: your fancy talk does not impress us!
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16:57 < Jamesofur> IDoH: The Funds Dissemination Committee http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC
16:57 < Jamesofur> juliancolton: I'm used to not being impressive :P
16:57 -!- Swarlley [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
16:57 < Jamesofur> and long time no see!
16:57 < juliancolton> aye :)
16:57 < juliancolton> been well?
16:57 < Jamesofur> IDoH: it's a community committee (with staff support) to help decide how to allocate funds to chatters and other movement groups (and some programs within the WMF)
16:58 < IDoH> Oh, cool.
16:58 < Jamesofur> I have! Been doing very well overall, how has life treated you?
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16:59 < juliancolton> glad to hear it. I've just been rollin' with the punches for the most part... seems to work well in general
16:59 < Jamesofur> heh yup
16:59 < Jamesofur> I know the feeling
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17:03 < Qcoder00> Whats going in Baltimore?
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17:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 what isnt going in baltimore
17:09 < IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: I'm not going in Baltimore
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17:09 < NotASpy> CSX train crash and resulting explosion ?
17:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Cargo train derails outside Baltimore, Obama unhurt.
17:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy thats why you dont call it the CSX train
17:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Computer Science eXtreme? Yeah, that will end well...
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17:10 < NotASpy> wow ToAruShiroiNeko how close was Obama at the time, was he rolling his easter egg on the track, did he cause the derailment with his wonky birth certificate ?
17:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy not remotely
17:11 < Revent> Baltimore....train...crash....explosion.....seems like an ongoing theme.
17:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I think he was in DC
17:11 < Swob> this Obama thing is a meme
17:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob ever since someone hacked that AP twitter feed?
17:11 < Revent> From the photos, definitely a 'holy shit' event tho...
17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-23/business/38764770_1_twitter-account-stock-market-jay-carney
17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Revent there is video
17:12 < NotASpy> it's getting a bit tiresome reporting on train crashes. Does the Federal Railroad Administration have enough headed notepaper to cope ?
17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/28/cargo-train-derails-outside-baltimore/?test=latestnews
17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> just believe the opposite though since the source is fox news
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17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy the rails are old probably
17:13 < NotASpy> they're making British Rail look like the paradigm of safety.
17:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy thats because it is
17:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no one can get hurt because they are always late\
17:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they cant collide if they ALL are always late
17:13 < NotASpy> late != slow.
17:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why do you think they are late?
17:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they probably got lost in a tunnel
17:13 < NotASpy> leaves on the line.
17:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> leaves cause trains to derail?
17:14 < Revent> Renning into a semi does...
17:14 < Revent> *running*
17:14 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: not this tunnel ? http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/mastereventimages/event167.jpg
17:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Revent it was a semi- not even full!
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17:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy no the chunnel tunnel
17:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I heard its like the bermuda triangle where trains vanish
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17:16 < Peter-C> Fluffernutter - Can I use your dog as a secretary?
17:16 < Revent> Could have been a lot worse...there's a chemical car just short of the scrum.
17:16 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: this is technically true. French trains disappear and British trains appear.
17:16 < Fluffernutter> Peter-C: if you can teach him to type, sure
17:16 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: http://nfs.stvfiles.com/imagebase/75/623x349/75357-plaque-unveiled-for-anniversary-of-polmont-rail-disaster.jpg <-- that was caused by a cow.
17:16 < Peter-C> :D
17:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy gasp
17:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> french trains?
17:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> that... move?
17:17 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: yes. They're not always on strike.
17:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what a novelty
17:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/28/world/americas/venezuela-us-officials-shot/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
17:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it says libre de humo de tabaco
17:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> does that mean tobaco is free as long as you dont smoke it?
17:19 < Revent> *snarls generally in the direction of people who 'convert' ISBN-10s to -13s without updating the checksum* 60+ garbled ISBNs in this article.
17:20  * ToAruShiroiNeko deletes Revent's ISBN
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17:20  * IDoH deletes ToAruShiroiNeko
17:20  * ToAruShiroiNeko feels in a void among deleted porn images
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17:21 < IDoH> Oh, CBNG controls DEFCON now
17:21 < IDoH> Good!
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17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> CBNG?
17:21 < IDoH> Cluebot NG.
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17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh
17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I demand credit :p
17:22 < IDoH> For CBNG?
17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no for defcon :p
17:22 < IDoH> >.> <.<
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17:22 < IDoH> I REALLY doubt you were around at the time DEFCON was created, ToAruShiroiNeko
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17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I created it
17:23 < IDoH> You did?
17:23 < IDoH> Proof!
17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Vandalism_information&dir=prev&action=history
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17:24  * IDoH gives into ToAruShiroiNekos' demand
17:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :D
17:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont deserve the credit really :P
17:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> after all it was a joint effort
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17:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a lot of people dont realize how old I happen to be
17:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> now I enter another mid-wiki-life crisis :p
17:26 < koishi> beep
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17:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH when wikipedians credits roll I just feel I should be mentioned
17:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> could be a "DEFCON template supervisor"
17:28 < IDoH> Ha!
17:28 < IDoH> Okay
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17:29 < Bradford> ._.
17:29 < Qcoder00> "Helo Cluebot... "
17:29 < Qcoder00> "Cluebot : Shall we Play A game?"
17:29 < Qcoder00> ;)
17:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they kept that?
17:29 < IDoH> What a friend we have in Clue-bot
17:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> clue bot needs more clues
17:30 < Revent> FWIW, my earlier griping is because of a bug in whatever bot flags 'bad' ISBNs...if it's a 'valid' 10 digit one written as a 'bad' 13 digit it doesn't get flagged...
17:30 < a930913> ToAruShiroiNeko: ClueBot has all the clues.
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17:31 < randomnick> hey does anyone know how to edit the talk page edit page, like the page that pops up when you try to edit your talk page?  i can't remember how.
17:31 < Revent> 'editnotice'
17:32 < IDoH> randomnick: Put edit notice after the URL.
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17:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a930913 so it generates the puzzles?
17:32 -!- FastLizard4|zZzZ is now known as FastLizard4
17:32 < Revent> As in.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit_notice
17:32 < randomnick> tytyty
17:32 < a930913> Revent: http://toolserver.org/~sk/cgi-bin/checkwiki/checkwiki.cgi?project=enwiki&view=only&id=70 ?
17:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so much stuff grew out of my userspace
17:33 < Revent> a930913: Naah, working on 'bad location of X' atm... :)
17:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Australia has been named the world's happiest industrialized nation for the third year running, ahead of Sweden.
17:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Right because its a death trap
17:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people are so happy they survived another day!
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17:34 < a930913> Revent: Are they self correcting or do you google for them?
17:34 < mareklug> Carly-- yo
17:34 < Carly--> Mareklug eh?
17:34 < Revent> a930913: I use the Bowker ISBN tool to check 'validity' and make it a hyphenated ISBN-13....if it's bad, I dig for the actual book on WorldCat.
17:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Revent so you use an actual cat?
17:35 < Bradford> mareka Club
17:35 < Bradford> xd
17:35 < Revent> ToAruShiroiNeko: It's a tool on the ISBN authorities website to see if it's valid
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17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it says cat in the title
17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> World Cat
17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I imagine it is a mastermind behind ISBN
17:36 < Revent> Oh, WorldCat? That's a 'merged' library catalog....nothing to do with ISBNs.
17:37 < Revent> ISBNs are run (in the US) by R.K. Bowker.
17:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so you have literally a world full of cat librarians?
17:37 < Carly--> Bradford es Marek's club
17:37 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: purfect, eh.
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17:37 < Bradford> :D
17:37  * a930913 cats ToAruShiroiNeko to stdout.
17:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy D:
17:37 < Bradford> ajua
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17:37 < Bradford> is Mare's club
17:37 < Bradford> vah
17:37 < Bradford> -_-
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17:37 < Carly--> ;)
17:38 < Revent> ToAruShiroiNeko: I also have access to 'PubEasy', which is a 'book distributor' database...
17:38 < Carly--> Bradford xd
17:38 < Bradford> is marea club
17:38 < Bradford> or mareka club
17:38 < IDoH> Mareks' club.
17:38 < Bradford> O_O
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17:38 < Revent> (so I can see the actual 'printings', not just the ISBNs)
17:38 < Bradford> oh my god
17:39 < Carly--> Wave's team
17:39 < Carly--> Bradford xd
17:39 < Bradford> .___.
17:40 < Carly--> '______'
17:40 < Bradford> |:
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17:41 < Carly--> mareklug ole.tio me han robado el chaval
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17:42 < Freebie> a930913: why did you ask for full protection?
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17:44 < Chiquitina> :D
17:44 < Chiquitina> Lol
17:44 < Chiquitino> :D
17:44 < Chiquitino> lolazo
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17:45 < Chiquitino> fumika o_O?
17:45 < Chiquitino> estabas fumando xd
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17:45 < Chiquitina> Chiquitino althought...for man is Chiquitin
17:45 < Chiquitina> Vamos a fumigar Xd
17:45 < a930913> Freebie: Because registered accounts were hitting the page. And I figured someone would question me if I was wrong :p
17:45 < Chiquitino> Chiquitina:  Elduen is el duende
17:45 < Chiquitino> xd
17:46 < Freebie> a930913: Right, but none of them were autoconfirmed. I semi'd it for a day :)
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17:46 < a930913> Freebie: I don't request protection often :p
17:47 < a930913> But I was beaten to reverts so I figured I would :D
17:47 < Chiquitina> Chiquitino lol
17:47 < Freebie> well i was planning on protecting and then i saw your request come in ;)
17:48 < Chiquitino> Chiquitina:  estos estadounidenses tienen unos nombres tan padres xd
17:48 < Chiquitina> Yes,mexican
17:48 < Chiquitino> -_-
17:48 < Chiquitina> ®_®
17:49 < Chiquitino> O_O
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17:50 < El_Guero> Chiquitina:  no seas tan morra
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17:51 < Chiquitina> Chiquitino so are you going to tell the personal issue you have?
17:52 < Chiquitina> Or keep silence?
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17:52 < El_Guero> ._.
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17:52 < kingturtle> anyone have some time to talk about SCOTUS...and what notable cases used 'fairness' as a winning argument?
17:52 < Chiquitina> El_guero what does "morra" mean?
17:52 < El_Guero> ahhhhhh
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17:56 < El_Guero> Chiquitina:  porque existe mareka club?
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18:00 < Swob>  marek's been gone all day
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18:00 < Swob> except for one or two lines earlier
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18:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4385477,00.html
18:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Taliban must have really fun birthday parties
18:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Seal team 6 should kidnap their leaders and drop them in times square
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18:04 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko the taliban are no fun, we knew that.
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18:04 < mareklug> they probably would have objected to green balloons, as well.
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18:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> They should get transpa
18:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> They should get transparent baloons
18:04 < Swob> "Some girls were without headscarves, with tight jeans and tops on, and even with mini-skirts on the streets" the HORROR
18:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ie condoms :P
18:04 < AzaToth> I must warn that I've probably made it too easy
18:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob notice how they noticed it
18:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> clearly they are horny
18:05 < Swob> if the Americans arent expelled soon there will be people on the streets WALKING THEIR DOGS!!!
18:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob no one would comment on the attire of women when the place is swarming with pink baloons
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18:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> PINK the color that overwhelms everything else!
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18:06 < kingturtle> i am in an 'argument' with someone. he's saying that the SCOTUS never cares about fairness. seems to me Bush v. Gore was about fairness. i am trying to find other good examples
18:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob taliban would probably terroise the dogs by releasing cats
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18:06 < IDoH> Oh. mareklug. You're back.
18:07 < mareklug> o IDoH, I am.  Do you like Amy Wray?
18:07 < Monitos> Hiiiiiiii
18:07 < Sky2042> kingturtle: They do, but only in the context of the Equal Protect Clause.
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18:07 < mareklug> Amy Ray, I meant
18:07 < IDoH> No idea who she is, mareklug, but I'm listening to dreams by the cranbarries.
18:07 < Sky2042> Protection*
18:07 < Swob> no joke, in Iraq after 2004 or so people were complaining that the American occupiers were allowing Iraqi citizens to bring their pet dogs outside in plain sight
18:07 < mareklug> cranberries, I hope
18:07 < IDoH> Same pronunciation, different spelling.
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18:08 < SweetKitten> Lol
18:08 < mareklug> IDoH there is a band called Cranbarries?
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18:08 < IDoH> Yes. http://www.youtube.com/user/TheCranberriesVEVO
18:08 < Butters> ready :D
18:08 < SweetKitten> Lol
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18:09 < kingturtle> thanks sky
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18:09 < IDoH> and here's the song I'm listening to, mareklug: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yam5uK6e-bQ
18:09 < mareklug> IDoH I must be going blind.  I thought you said there is a band called Cranbarries
18:09 < SweetKitten> Omg
18:09 < IDoH> No. THE cranberries.
18:09 < IDoH> You're not going blind. You're getting old.
18:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> pecha berries!
18:09 < Sky2042> kingturtle: Obviously IANAL. So don't even think to take my word as gospel. Go read up on the Equal Protection Clause before continuing lol
18:10 < mareklug> well, why did you say different thing, same pronounciation?
18:10 < SweetKitten> Idoh true ;)
18:10 < mareklug> it is the same thing, only IDoH-misspelled.
18:10 < IDoH> mareklug: Wray vs. Ray
18:10 < Butters> SweetKitten: http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/936725_4784799699138_476313690_n.jpg
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18:10 < mareklug> I happen to know an Amy Wray, that is my excuse.  Plus I corrected meself.
18:10 < Swob> Dolores O Riordan is nice
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18:10 < IDoH> Heh.
18:11 < IDoH> Butters: What's that a picture of?
18:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I have an idea!
18:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> all US soldiers to wear hot pink uniforms just to piss off taliban
18:11 < Swob> She was one of the very first (and only) people I've paid for a CD album of
18:11 < SweetKitten> Butters what is that
18:11 < Butters> SweetKitten: mira la imagen a
18:11 < Butters> SweetKitten:  mira el chico de la derecha
18:11 < Butters> xd
18:11  * SweetKitten look up
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18:11  * SweetKitten faints
18:11 < Swob> i've bought maybe 5 CD's in my\ life
18:11 < SweetKitten> Butters que es
18:12 < Butters> SweetKitten: es mi novio xd
18:12 < Butters> SweetKitten: eo de la derecha e_e
18:12 < SweetKitten> Oh nice :)
18:12 < Butters> ._.
18:12 < SweetKitten> Butters the guy to the right?
18:12 < mareklug> Swob Dolores has one of those voices that some absolutely love and others absolutely love to hate.
18:13 < mareklug> I count myself in the former group.
18:13 < Swob> cool
18:13 < Swob> we agree
18:13 < Butters> SweetKitten: si el blanco
18:13 < Butters> :D
18:14 < Swob> you are probably not surprised to find out I was disappointged to see she had short dark hair
18:14 < Swob> not my ideal
18:14 < Swob> but she has a great voice
18:14 < SweetKitten> Mareklug Bradford's boyfriend the guy of the right side   http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/936725_4784799699138_476313690_n.jpg
18:14 < IDoH> How about Alanis Morisette
18:14 < SweetKitten> See?
18:14 < IDoH> SweetKitten: Are you Carly?
18:15 < Swob> alanis morrissette is eh
18:15 < IDoH> But, Swob, you must agree. She has good angst music.
18:15 < Butters> SweetKitten: no es para que le cuentes al feo de la mareka
18:15 < SweetKitten> IDOH wow,you are smart! O.O
18:16 < mareklug> IDoH Alanis is cool.  She is a canadian songstress after all
18:16 < IDoH> And let me guess. SweetKitten. You're in the middle.
18:16 < Swob> sheryl crow & alanis morrissette are only good when Im in the right mood
18:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug is obama pretzel resistent?
18:16 < mareklug> resistant *
18:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wuteva
18:16 < mareklug> Swob you rarely like any music, so what else in new
18:17 < Swob> thats not true
18:17 < Swob> i put on a show at work last week and people loved my music
18:17 < Butters> ._.
18:17 < SweetKitten> Idoh ok.ok
18:17 < SweetKitten> I am Carly,happy?
18:17 < Swob> i had at least five different customers compliment the music I chose
18:17 < Butters> xd
18:17 < Swob> plus several employees
18:17 < Butters> LOL
18:17 < Swob> but yes I guess I can be pretty picky
18:18 < IDoH> SweetKitten: I meant, was that a picture of you?
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18:18 < mareklug> Swob you should like this girl, she is very good when she is very good, and very tacky when she is in the media :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-wGMlSuX_c   Lily Allen, "The Fear"
18:18 < Butters> chee. IDoH
18:18 < Butters> deja el chisme
18:18 < SweetKitten> IDOH http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/936725_4784799699138_476313690_n.jpg this?
18:19 < mareklug> SweetKitten so Bradford is el gay?
18:19 < SweetKitten> No,is Bradford's pic but I  can show a pic
18:19 < IDoH> SweetKitten: Yes. That.
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18:19 < SweetKitten> Idoh not me.
18:19 < IDoH> Oh, okay
18:20 < mareklug> Swob you like my home page that will load in any browser fast?  http://mareklug.freeshell.org
18:20 < Swob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-wGMlSuX_c
18:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug no pokemon references? :p
18:21 < Swob> http://mareklug.freeshell.org/SwedishColorsNFFerry.jpg
18:21 < Swob> ias that a painting?
18:21 < Swob> it looks like a photo
18:21 < Swob> but why would there be a photo of a ferry just there for no reason
18:21 < mareklug> it sure lloks like one, glad you noticed.  but no, it is but the soft effect of drizzle and water on the lens in mid Atlantic
18:22 < Butters> SweetKitten:  quien es el feo ese de Prodego?
18:22 < Swob> ok
18:22 < Butters> SweetKitten:  me dice que vaya a wikipedia es
18:22 < Revent> I was wondering about the ripples....
18:22 < mareklug> Swob did you click on the image and see how it changes?
18:22 < Revent> It /really/ looks a lot like a closeup of a loose canvas.
18:22 < Swob> no i didnt
18:23 < mareklug> Swob on the web page
18:23 < mareklug> thanks to different color spaces used.
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18:23 < Swob> ah yeah
18:23 < Swob> i didnt know that was possible
18:23 < Swob> that's weird
18:23 < SweetKitten> Butters I dont know,here everyone come and says "please behave" when even they dont behave.
18:23 < SweetKitten> Butters I.guess that is an "op"
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18:24 < Butters> ok
18:24 < SweetKitten> But I dont care about that.
18:24 < Sky2042> lol
18:24 < SweetKitten> So.
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18:24 < Swob> "Behave, please."
18:24 < SweetKitten> :|
18:25 < SweetKitten> Swob keep dreaming
18:25 < SweetKitten> Someday we'll behave :D
18:25 < Butters> oigan quien es ese Prodego
18:25 < Butters> diganle que deje el fastidio
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18:27 < mareklug> Butters change your nick to LasMantequillas
18:27 < Butters> _O_O
18:28 < SweetKitten> Butters I guess that "Prodego" is an op as I said,so if dont want to listen his long testament use /ignore
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18:29 < SweetKitten> Butters and leave the spanish
18:29 < Butters> SweetKitten: el feo me dice que nos vayamos de aqui
18:30 < SweetKitten> Butters use /ignore
18:30 < SweetKitten> And ready.
18:30 < Butters> SweetKitten:  me dice que tu y yo nos vayamos a wikipedia es
18:30 < Butters> SweetKitten:  que aqui le molestamos
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18:31 < SweetKitten> Butters stop speaking S
18:31 < SweetKitten> spanish
18:31 < Butters> ok
18:31 < Butters> by
18:31 < Butters> bye
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18:35 < SweetKitten> G' night butters
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18:36 < Butters> -_-
18:37 < SweetKitten> ©_®
18:37 < Butters> .__.
18:37 < mareklug> Butters I did not know yo buttered you bread on that side, Bradford
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18:38 < Butters> o.o
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18:40 < Butters> Good bay babys :-*
18:40 < SweetKitten> Butters.espera
18:40 < Butters> SweetKitten: p q?
18:40 < SweetKitten> Butters Prodego te pide que te controles
18:41 < SweetKitten> Puedes estar aqui,pero no hables Espanol.
18:41 < Butters> SweetKitten:  no el solo quiere que hable ingles
18:41 < Butters> no hablo ingles
18:41 < Butters> chao
18:41 < Sky2042> lol
18:41 < SweetKitten> Butters entiende
18:41 < JustBerry> lol
18:41 < Sopapa> why is everyone talking about prodego
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18:41 < Sky2042> "I don't speak Spanish". "I don't speak English".
18:41 < SweetKitten> Es un english channel
18:41 < Sopapa> \he hasnt even spoken in like an hour
18:41  * Sky2042 laughs so hard.
18:41 < Butters> no
18:41 < SweetKitten> Yes
18:41 < SweetKitten> Is english.
18:41 < Butters> SweetKitten: dile al feo ese que le puse un ignore
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18:42 < SweetKitten> Butters No.
18:42 < mareklug> Sopapa porque Prodego dice lo bastante, no se hable íngles aqui, en este canal.  Entiendes?
18:42 < Butters> good morning Sopapa
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18:43 < JustBerry> Hi marek
18:43 < mareklug> hi Berry.  what is your name anyway?
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18:43 < JustBerry> Why?
18:43 < SweetKitten> Sky2042 why laugh?
18:43 < dtm> mareklug: HELLOS.
18:43 < dtm> mareklug: are you having a lovely day
18:43 < SweetKitten> Prodego_he is gone.
18:43 < JustBerry> lol
18:44 < Sky2042> SweetKitten: The amount of time you're taking to attempt to help our erstwhile non-English-speaking friend is amusing.
18:44 < mareklug> dtm relatively lovely, thanks. and you?
18:44 < dtm> mareklug: do you think perhaps a side-by-side screenshot of your web site, being rendered graphically and in lynx, would be a worthwhile addition?
18:44 < dtm> to the article
18:44 < SweetKitten> Sky lol
18:44 < mareklug> dtm it would be very fine addition indeed.  especially if you turn on link numbering in lynx
18:45 < dtm> i mean a screenshot of a web site wouldn't be worth anything really, but this would be an stylistic rendering to show its innovative substance
18:45 < dtm> TWO!  count them!  two screen shots.  juxtapositions.
18:45 < mareklug> dtm except it struck me that we do a ©All right reserved A Small Garlic Press on every page.
18:46 < mareklug> I guess I could OTRS for the two screenshots. :) :)
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18:46 < Prodego_> or just use the wikipedia home page
18:46 < dtm> Prodego_: what?
18:47 < mareklug> Prodego_ wiki home page is not optimized for lynx browsing the way I optimized http://asgp.org
18:47 < SweetKitten> Sky2042 is that funny?
18:47 < Sky2042> SweetKitten: I suppose?
18:47 < mareklug> and http://asgp.org/agnieszka.html in particular, the website of Agnieszka's Dowry (AgD) ISSN 1088-4300
18:47 < Prodego_> mareklug: true, but
18:47 < SweetKitten> Sky2042 lol
18:47 < SweetKitten> Good night
18:48 < dtm> Prodego_: but nothing.  it's totally irrelevant!
18:48 < SweetKitten> Sleep well,have.sweer dreams
18:48  * dtm references Donnie from Lebowski
18:48 < mareklug> Prodego I mean, you can navigate the entire site by hitting spacebar and carriage return and never lifting your fingers off those keys
18:48 < JustBerry> bye.
18:48 < Prodego_> dtm: ah I see you are talking specificially about the website page
18:48 < SweetKitten> Bye.
18:48 < dtm> yeah we're talking about stuff.
18:48 < Sky2042> mareklug: lol
18:48 < Prodego_> I was confused as to the topic for a moment
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18:48 < AzaToth> mareklug: I'm using vimperator ftw ツ
18:48 < dtm> yes, you were.  and yet you spoke.
18:48 < dtm> fascinating!
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18:48 < dtm> <3 <3 <3
18:48 < Prodego_> sorry?
18:49 < dtm> ;)
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18:49 < dtm> mareklug is an artist!  he demands precision!
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18:50 < dtm> an ascetic *visionary*.
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18:51 < dtm> que?!?!  it's carly.
18:51 < Carly|dead> O.O
18:51 < Carly|dead> Wow that smart
18:51 < dtm> k
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18:54 < Koi> !admin obvio troll is obvio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SapiensIngentis
18:55 < mareklug> anyone know a tool that will identify songs?  I just popped a "For Marek" disk into my iMac but ti just say AudioCd and lists Track01 and so on.
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18:56 < Koi> mareklug: plug it into zune.
18:57 < Freebie> Koi: Hi.
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18:57 < Koi> Freebie: that's an obvious sock of some blocked user.
18:57 < Gfoley4> Shazam works if you have an iPhone
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18:58 < Freebie> Koi: I'll let someone else take it.
18:58 < Koi> Gfoley4: pls
18:58 < Koi> ohi lego i didn't know it was u
18:59 < Freebie> ohai!
18:59 < Koi> how r u
18:59 < SudoGhost> mareklug: If you have an Android device there's also https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.ears&hl=en
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19:04 < mareklug> I don't have either Zune or an Android device, and I believe both avail themselves of Gracenote anyway, just like iTunes.
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19:07 < mareklug> SudoGhost there is this: http://tunatic.en.softonic.com/mac
19:08 < mareklug> except it won't run on an intel mac.  that's ok, I have access to a ppc mac
19:09 < Shirik> mareklug: Shazam
19:09 < Shirik> use it all the time
19:09 < mareklug> on iOS right?
19:09 < Shirik> yes
19:10 < Sopapa> yeah its almost certainly a sock
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19:11 < Sopapa> but I dont think we should just block based on the fact that he's editing Jimbo's talk page
19:11 < Sopapa> and anyway, if there's any page that doesnt need more eyes on it, it's Jimbo's talk page
19:12 < Sopapa> ive never had any luck with identifying songs'
19:13 < mareklug> legoktm LA just scored
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19:14 < mareklug> Shirik SudoGhost  newer Tunatic works on intel (v1.1), so I will try that first, as it is handly
19:14 < mareklug> handy
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19:15 < mareklug> http://www.wildbits.com/tunatic/
19:15 < mareklug> for windows, too.
19:16 < Koi> Sopapa: for these obvious ones they get banned FOREVER
19:16 < Amqui> is "seignory" a word really used in English, or "lordship" is better?
19:16 < IDoH> Lordship is easier to understand, at least
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19:17 < Amqui> hum ok
19:18 < Amqui> I also read "seigniory"
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19:18 < jorm> Hello, little figments.
19:19 < legoktm> hello jorm
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19:20 < mareklug> LA scored again legoktm
19:21 < legoktm> ahhhhh
19:21 < legoktm> stoppppp
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19:21 < jorm> how are we this fine evening?
19:21 < legoktm> i should go watch the game
19:21 < legoktm> jorm: upset. we're losing :(
19:21 < jorm> That's what life is all about.
19:21 < jorm> A constant struggle to recognize our failings as human beings, to ourselves and our loved ones!
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19:24 < mareklug> Shirik SudoGhost  Kathy's Song by Eva Cassidy.   1 down 16 to go. :)
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19:26 < a930913> legoktm: Why do you sock on IRC so much? :/
19:26 < mareklug> 2.  Out of Habit (live, Arcata, CA) by Ani DiFranco
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19:27 < mareklug> I could have id'd #3 myself.   Suzanne Vega - "Rosemary"
19:28 < mareklug> #4 is a Beth Orton…
19:29 < mareklug> yup.  "Stolen Car"
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19:30 < mareklug> 5. "Sweetest Decline" by Beth Orton.
19:31 < mareklug> 6. "Couldn't Cause Me Harm" by Beth Orton.
19:32 < mareklug> 7. "So Much More" by Beth Orton
19:33 < mareklug> 8. "Pass in Time" by Beth Orton
19:34 < mareklug> 9. "Central Reservation" by Beth Orton
19:35 < mareklug> 10. "Stars All Seem to Weep" by Beth Orton
19:36 < mareklug> 11, "Love Like Laughter" by Beth Orton
19:37 < mareklug> 12. "Best Bit" by Beth Orton
19:38 < mareklug> 13. "Blood Red River" by Beth Orton
19:39 < mareklug> 14. "Feel to Believe" by Beth Orton
19:40 < mareklug> 15. "Devil Song" by Beth Orton
19:41 < mareklug> 16. "Skimming Stone" by Beth Orton
19:42 < Sopapa> Arcata, CA is cool
19:42 < Sopapa> im trying to convince my parents to move near thre when they retire
19:44 < Sopapa> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/apa/3804721887.html
19:44 < Sopapa> amazing how cheap apartments are there compared to San Francisco
19:44 < Sopapa> liek, i mean, i could afford that
19:45 < Sopapa> thats actual;ly cheaper than the place Im going to in Maine
19:45 < Sopapa> although it doesnt include the electric bill, but still, who needs heat or A/C in California?
19:46 < BlastHardcheese> lolwut
19:46 < Sopapa> I'll put aside everything bad Ive ever said about California to get a home in a place like that
19:47 < mareklug> 17. "Central Reservation (The Then Again Remix - Ben) " by Beth Orton.    Well.  Looks like I got the entire Central Reservation album + 3 other songs.
19:47 < mareklug> this Tunatic is a fine piece of identifier software.
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20:22 < RandIter> is there a currency conversion template or such, such that the article source contains values in one currency, but the article displays them in two currencies?
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20:25 < Revent> That would require live data...don't think so.
20:25 < RandIter> Revent: the data can be cached weekly or so
20:25 < RandIter> doesn't have to be live
20:26 < Revent> Ye....that would be a WikiData kind of thing, tho, and WikiData doesn't work yet.
20:27 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:CURRENCY
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20:33 < RandIter> Revent: ok but the MOS doesn't do the conversion for me. I think WikiData may be nice but even without it, the data can be updated in wikipedia by a bot
20:33 < RandIter> in one place
20:34 < Revent> *nods* It's just not, afaik, done....
20:34 < Revent> You know google will do currency conversion right?
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20:35 < Revent> i.e. [http://www.google.com/search?q=51+dollars+in+euros $51] could 'fake it'.
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20:36 < RandIter> Revent: yes. I can't embed the result in the article though
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20:36 < RandIter> i understand it hasn't been done
20:36 < {soap|bed}> i think that sounds like a great idea for Wikidata
20:36 < Revent> *nods*
20:36 < IDoH> RandIter: You'll just have to wait until Wikidata works.
20:37 < RandIter> IDoH: is it a week, a month, or a year out?
20:37 < IDoH> No idea. I'm not sure if anyone knows.
20:38 < IDoH> But again, you'll have to wait, and in the meantime, Wikipedia readers will make do with Google.
20:38 < {soap|bed}> Im not sure it's possible to do it at all with the software we're running now
20:38 < {soap|bed}> but its something that would be a hgreat idea
20:39 < IDoH> And what {soap|bed} said
20:39 < Revent> You could program a template to do it, and just update the data yourself manually of course... (kinda like 'cite isbn' fakes having WikiData on books)
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20:40 < RandIter> {soap|bed}: doesn't Template:INRConvert do it now for at least one currency pair? so it's possible.
20:40 < IDoH> Revent: What about little watched articles, though?
20:40 < RandIter> Revent: yes, a bot would have to update
20:41 < RandIter> IDoH: no, the update would be in one place only
20:41 < Revent> You'd 'regex' it out of a 'data' template like Cite isbn does.
20:42 < {soap|bed}> apparently it might not be possible to get a free-use currency ypdater
20:42 < {soap|bed}> e.g. XE.net denies bots
20:42 < {soap|bed}> unless you pay
20:42 < {soap|bed}> $540 a year
20:42 < {soap|bed}> to wikipedia that wouldnt be too unaffordable
20:43 < {soap|bed}> but they might look and say HEY WAIT A MINUTE
20:43 < {soap|bed}> Youre sharing your data with many people, you should pay more!
20:43 < IDoH> And wikipedia kind of needs to save money when it can
20:44 < mareklug> legoktm LA goalie was too good
20:44 < RandIter> {soap|bed}: that is hardly the only source. I'm sure http://stackoverflow.com/questions/181990/programmatically-access-currency-exchange-rates documents some. Or I could come up with one.
20:44 < {soap|bed}> on the other hand, how does google do it
20:44 < RandIter> google could easily pay and reuse
20:44 < IDoH> {soap|bed}: That's a trade secret.
20:44 < IDoH> (I'm kidding)
20:44 < legoktm> mareklug: :(
20:44 < RandIter> google sets it to what it wants
20:44 < RandIter> j/k
20:45 < IDoH> mareklug: LA goalie was too good…you mean he was just incredibly good, or he cheated?
20:45 < Revent> Google probably uses something like Dow Jones data...
20:45 < mareklug> goalies don't really cheat.  he was very proficient at stoppomg a range of difficult shots
20:46 < IDoH> Ah. That's good. :-)
20:46 < IDoH> I thinking more along the line of using steroids or something, though
20:46 < RandIter> IDoH: no one would ask wikipedia to pay. I'm sure there is more than one free provider.
20:47 < IDoH> RandIter: I think what you're talking about has been looked for, and finding one that is both free and within Wikipedia policy hasn't been found.
20:47 < {soap|bed}> lego on #wikidata says it can happen
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20:49 < RandIter> {soap|bed}: oh using what provider, if you know
20:49 < {soap|bed}> I dont know
20:49 < legoktm> RandIter: idk.
20:49 < {soap|bed}> i just carried your question over there
20:50 < RandIter> ok
20:50 < Revent> *technically* the various exchange rates are followed by indexes, like Bloomberg's UDCAD:CUR and are 'published' on a time delay...
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20:52 < Revent> (looks closer) Actually currence index are live...it's just stocks that are delay.... http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDCAD:CUR
20:53 < RandIter> even if a significant delay were true, it would be a non-issue in practice
20:53 < RandIter> for wikipedia
20:53 < IDoH> RandIter, again, you might have to wait
20:53 < Shirik> even stocks aren't really delayed
20:54 < Shirik> just publcly delayed
20:54 < Revent> *nods* I meant more that this is 'published by a reliable source'...
20:54 < Shirik> anyone that has a decent broker will have live data
20:54 < YE> Can an admin fix a copy/paste move for me?
20:54 < Shirik> what do you need
20:54 < Revent> Shirik: Yeah, but in terms of a 'wikidata data source', it'd need to be 'published'.
20:55 < administrivia> YE: what have you got>
20:55 < Shirik> administrivia: I called it first!
20:55 < administrivia> well I guess you are competent
20:55 < administrivia> so ok
20:55 < Shirik> :/
20:55  * mareklug is happy as a pig in a basket, as for 52 cents each he has now two working watches.  You should never buy watch batteries at retail.
20:55 < administrivia> Shirik: its a compliment!
20:55 < Revent> Technichally the 'live data' from your broker isn't 'reliable'....it's different (slightly) from the market feed...
20:55 < YE> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Barbara_%282013%29 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HurricaneSpin/Sandbox2
20:56 < administrivia> ever since I had to undo someone's wrong history merge I'm picky about that :)
20:56 < Revent> (since they will preferably trade to their own order book than the actual market)
20:56 < Shirik> eh, technically there's nothign wrong with that move
20:56 < Revent> *rather than*
20:56 < Shirik> but I guess it probably should be moved anyway
20:57 < YE> I think it is better if it is moved
20:58  * administrivia gives thumbs up
20:59 < Shirik> also
20:59 < Shirik> you've had to undo a history merge?
20:59 < Shirik> I've never had to do that, at least that I recall
20:59 < Shirik> I guess I could have suppressed it from my memory it sounds like it would be pretty traumatic
21:00 < administrivia> Shirik: luckily it wasn't too bad on the page I was doing
21:00 < Shirik> on an unrelated note
21:00 < administrivia> but yes, it was pretty bad
21:00 < Shirik> wtf we're already in hurricane season?
21:00 < YE> thanks
21:00 < Shirik> Ever since I moved to the west coast I've completely lost track of hurricanes, which I used to very closely watch
21:02 < administrivia> Tropical Storm Shirik making its way westward
21:02 < YE> Pacific starts on May 15, Atlatnic starts on June 1
21:03 < IDoH> Tropical Storm administrivia makes its; way northerly
21:03 < Revent> *hrms* Anyone know Latvian?
21:04 < Revent> n/m lol, found a machine... :)
21:05 < {soap|bed}> latvian is cool
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21:06 < Revent> Apparently they till think they're publishing books in the late 60s tho.....2001 book with an SBN.
21:06 < Revent> *still*
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21:11 < RandIter> IDoH: speaking of a source that may be suitable for wikipedia policy, how about http://fms.treas.gov/intn.html#rates  (I think a fixed percentage will still have to be added.)
21:11 < IDoH> RandIter: Is it automatically updated, though?
21:12 < RandIter> IDoH: oh, not too frequently :( It says Mar 31, 2013.
21:12 < RandIter> it won't work
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21:12 < IDoH> That's the problem, RandIter. There's something that won't work
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21:51 < Amqui> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptayYMvWDxo
21:51 < Amqui> oh mommy
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22:11 < dtm> !admin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:202.82.11.225  vandal!  vandal!
22:11 < legoktm> ohai
22:11 < dtm> legoktm: herrow.
22:11 < legoktm>     (del/undel) 03:45, 29 May 2013 Materialscientist (talk | contribs | block) blocked 202.82.11.225 (talk) (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 3 months ({{anonblock}}) (unblock | change block)
22:11 < legoktm> like...
22:11 < IDoH> dtm: Go to AIV
22:11 < legoktm> an hour ago.
22:11  * legoktm trouts dtm 
22:12 < dtm> :-o
22:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I have a new PC term
22:12 < IDoH> What is it, ToAruShiroiNeko?
22:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Americans without borders
22:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :p
22:13 < IDoH> O.O
22:13 < dtm> what?
22:13 < dtm> legoktm: where did you see that block notice?
22:13 < harej> When I was in med school, I was able to read the books in Borders for free. It's not easy being a Doctor without Borders.
22:13 < dtm> harej: !!!!!!!
22:14 < legoktm> dtm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/202.82.11.225
22:14  * legoktm huggles harej 
22:14 < harej> I must give credit where credit is due. I did not write that quip.
22:14 < harej> Someone did; I'm trying to figure it out.
22:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH like doctors without borders :p
22:16 < harej> Here we go. https://twitter.com/ItsMigdallTime/status/299425234208047104
22:16 < IDoH> I know
22:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why arent there any bankers without borders? :/
22:18 < harej> that'd be really difficult
22:18 < harej> for one, the world uses all sorts of different currencies
22:19 < harej> I guess you could call the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank "bankers without borders"
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22:21 < dtm> if a talk page includes a bunch of irrelevant chat, is that to be deleted or just archived?
22:21 < dtm> it would seem that it needs to be deleted
22:21 < dtm> like "i want to figure out how to do this stuff, so here's my email address" lol
22:21 < IDoH> dtm: I'd delete it, and put up {{notaforum}}
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22:22 < IDoH> Usually oversight or rev deletion takes cares of email addresses.
22:22 < dtm> IDoH: isn't {{talk page}} the equivalent?
22:22 < dtm> coz it includes this: "This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject."
22:22 < IDoH> dtm:{{Notaforum}} is a little more direct
22:23 < IDoH> Plus {{notaforum}} threatens deletion or refactoring of comments.
22:23 < dtm> ok i'll do both <3
22:23 < IDoH> And ONLY talks about not using the talk page as a forum
22:23 < IDoH> Why do both?
22:24 < dtm> because.  obviously.
22:24 < IDoH> It isn't obvious to me
22:25 < dtm> coz that's what you do.  they're both relevant.
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22:26 < IDoH> I have {{usertalkheader}} on my talkpage…honestly, I wonder if having so much info confuses newcomers
22:26 < dtm> :-I
22:26 < harej> I have this on the top of my talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Harej
22:27 < IDoH> But I keep it up there, anyways.
22:27  * IDoH shrugs
22:27 < dtm> you couldn't possibly be suggesting that there is anything *whatsoever* about wikipedia, that *isn't* baffling, bewildering, stifling, and difficult to *everyone*, right? ^_^
22:27 < IDoH> harej: Just the archives, right?
22:27 < IDoH> dtm: Go ahead and put up both if you wish
22:27 < harej> Yep, just a link to the archives, 1-15.
22:27 < IDoH> Heh
22:27 < dtm> IDoH: oh.  okay!
22:27 < dtm> harej: impressive.  MOST IMPRESSIVE.
22:28 < IDoH> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses
22:28 < IDoH> That's mine. A clutter of templates. ^
22:28 < dtm> IDoH: a dream within a dream
22:28 < dtm> <3
22:28 < harej> I dream of horse ebooks
22:28 < dtm> harej: i guess you get around
22:28 < IDoH> Heh heh.
22:28 < dtm> it looks like quite an active portfolio.
22:28 < addihockey10> I dream of people throwing my phone in swimming pools
22:28 < harej> I'm not a really active editor
22:29 < IDoH> And! There's an edit notice on top of that!
22:30 < dtm> addihockey10: chilling!!
22:30 -!- zz_YuviPanda is now known as YuviPanda
22:30  * IDoH dreams of living in North Korea
22:31 < dtm> harej: what?
22:31 < dtm> IDoH: well done
22:31 < IDoH> What? My dream about North Korea? Or my edit notice?
22:33 < Moe_Epsilon> IDoH: does that mean you were dreaming of North Korean horses?
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22:33 < Tyler> Hello all
22:33 < dtm> dreaming of a day before the horses had been eaten or banned
22:33 < dtm> Tyler: hi
22:34 < Tyler> dtm: How are you doing?
22:34 < IDoH> Moe_Epsilon: No, I was dreaming of a labor camp/group home built underground
22:35 < Moe_Epsilon> hmm o_O
22:35 < YuviPanda> mmm
22:35  * legoktm munches on YuviPanda 
22:35 < YuviPanda> case of the munchies?
22:36 < Tyler> What is the answer to this? (asked in a seductive females voice) Don't think dirty!
22:36 < Tyler> "When you're in me, you're not moving"
22:36 < dtm> Tyler: hello
22:36 < Tyler> I heard that on the radio for free tickets... My thought was rush hour traffic
22:36 < legoktm> yes :/
22:36 < dtm> IDoH: horses underground?
22:36 < IDoH> No, not underground, unfortunately
22:37 < YuviPanda> Tyler: Carbonite
22:37 < Tyler> Mitch Markovich
22:37 < dtm> lol
22:37 < dtm> well Mitch is a mover and a shaker, so i can't see that being a viable answer
22:37 < Tyler> Carbonite
22:37 < Tyler> lol
22:38 < dtm> i'm going to second YuviPanda on this one
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23:40 < mareklug> dtm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/memory%20on%20IIci.jpg     :)
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23:48 < dtm> mareklug: :-oooooooooooo
23:48 < dtm> le gasp!
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23:48 < dtm> mareklug: did you shoot that with a QuickTake? ;)
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23:51 < mareklug> no, with lg840g tracfone switched to VGA  (it can do 2Meg). :)
23:52 < mareklug> anyway, I have 4 sticks left for my other IIci, but th stooooopid thing does not want to boot.  It might be the PRAM battery
23:53 < mareklug> also, I ran into a perplexing thing with Photoshop 3.05 on the IIci:  It refuses to start, claiming that there is too little memory allowed in its Get Info box.  No matter what I put there, it claims that number is too low and to go back and put in the ludicrously small number 5,120 or more.  I don't know how to debug it.
23:54 < mareklug> And also, I uncovered that I have an Asante Fast Ethernet Nubus 10/100 Network Card, quite a prize.  But it won't actually run. It's lights are on, steady, but it is not recognized by the system.  I think I may need a driver?
23:56 < mareklug> and similarly, when I use the Asante 10 Nubus Network card, it works on 10Base2 just fine and lets me out.  But as soon as I stick a 10T cable in instead, in fails to recognize internet and the green light pulsates.  I noticed that card has a jumper on it.  Maybe that needs to be set?  Or maybe Ethernet Base10-100 does not work out of the box on System 7.5.3 Revision 2.0?  I doubt it.  Maybe the Asante card too needs a driver to unlock the
23:56 < mareklug>  RJ-45 plug.
23:57 < dtm> holy crap, 100 Mbps nubus?  i wonder how fast it can actually go
23:57 < mareklug> faster than 10.
23:57 < dtm> yeah.
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23:57 < mareklug> amazing machines, these old SCSI apples
23:57 < dtm> Apple's 68k 10Mbps ethernet ports are the fastest 10Mbps i ever did see
23:58 < mareklug> one of those Fast cards sells for 180-250, so I have no clue how I lucked into having one, but there it was.
23:58 < dtm> what!!!
23:58 < dtm> how could they possibly cost that much
23:58 < mareklug> check the prices
23:58 < dtm> why would anyone pay that?
23:58 < mareklug> htey are simply the best nubus ethernet card around.  and you can get your box to do quite a throughput with it as a server stuck in a closet.
23:59 < dtm> that kind of money could fund the creation of bare metal emulators so we could finally run a/ux and friends ;)
23:59 < dtm> yeah.  WHY?
23:59 < mareklug> but i need to go to Asante's site, assuming it is still up and hunt for drivers
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