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--- Log opened Fri May 10 19:19:11 2013
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19:21 < iHateMyISP2> [[WP:CSD]] more or less is that
19:21 < carly-> good night
19:21 < carly-> welcome vack moogsi_
19:21 < carly-> :)
19:21 < moogsi_> hoi
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19:22 < mareklug> carly- dobranoc, g-ʉpia
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19:22 < Moe_Epsilon> yeboot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AFI exists
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19:22 < iHateMyISP2> whats with the weird languages tonight
19:23 < carly-> moogsi hi
19:23 < Amqui> iHateMyISP2 ?
19:23 < yeboot> yeah that would be better Moe
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19:23 < carly-> mareklug reggaeton
19:23 < mareklug> carly- polonaise
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19:24 < Bluefoxicy> how is every single commercial broadcast station notable?
19:24 < moogsi_> nid yw cymraeg yn iaith rhyfedd!
19:25 < moogsi_> you're a strange language :(
19:25 < iHateMyISP2> yeah that one
19:25 < Amqui> lol
19:25 < Bluefoxicy> ROT0 english in #-en please
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19:25 < iHateMyISP2> but what language is "g-ʉpia" ?
19:25 < moogsi_> dim :(
19:25 < SigmaWP> Amqui: hallo
19:26 < Amqui> hola SigmaWP
19:26 < mareklug> לזיין את כולכם בתחת, במיוחד קרלי!
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19:26 < Bluefoxicy> sigh.
19:26 < SigmaWP> Dammit freenode
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19:26 < iHateMyISP2> the servers are allergic to Hebrew
19:26 < Amqui> lol
19:26 < SigmaWP> lol
19:26 < Bluefoxicy> lalurl faerbol zhan m'rimm d-sinss
19:26 < iHateMyISP2> whoa i google translated that
19:26 < iHateMyISP2> http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%D7%9C%D7%96%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F%20%D7%90%D7%AA%20%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%9D%20%D7%91%D7%AA%D7%97%D7%AA%2C%20%D7%91%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%95%D7%97%D7%93%20%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%9C%D7%99!
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19:27 < iHateMyISP2> although i suspect it was just google translated in the first place
19:27 < iHateMyISP2> it's too precise
19:27 < Bluefoxicy> iHateMyISP2:  you wouldn't be able to google translate mine :p
19:27 < mareklug> iHateMyISP2 Soap, it must be bad corpus translation, honest.
19:27 < iHateMyISP2> yeah
19:27 < iHateMyISP2> lalurl faerbol zhan m'rimm d-sinss <-- not a language
19:27 < Bluefoxicy> it's a language
19:28 < iHateMyISP2> English
19:28 < Moe_Epsilon> Bluefoxicy: [[WP:BROADCAST]] covers what you were asking
19:28 < iHateMyISP2> but in code
19:28 < Bluefoxicy> no
19:28 < Bluefoxicy> it basically translates to "You need a girlfriend"
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19:29 < Bluefoxicy> the more literal phrase is "There is no magical object better than a female lover."
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19:29 < iHateMyISP2> oh wait farebol is just a fancy spelling of fireball
19:29 < SigmaWP> greetings marktraceur
19:29 < iHateMyISP2> *faerbol
19:30 < Bluefoxicy> no
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19:30 < Bluefoxicy> It's Drow you dumbass :P
19:30 < iHateMyISP2> Drows have a language?
19:30 < Bluefoxicy> yes
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19:30 < Bluefoxicy> separate from high elf
19:30 < iHateMyISP2> oh wait its a video game
19:30 < iHateMyISP2> ok fair enough, i shouldve suspected it was a created language
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19:30 < iHateMyISP2> i thought you were just making it up on the spot
19:31 < Bluefoxicy> tlh.wikipedia.org
19:31 < moogsi> oh, d&d.... so it DOES translate as "i need a girlfriend"
19:31 < iHateMyISP2> whaaat no way
19:31 < moogsi> *you
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19:32 < iHateMyISP2> how do you say "zing!!" in Drow
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19:32 < Bluefoxicy> iHateMyISP2: traditionally?
19:33 < Bluefoxicy> Smirk devilishly and stab them between the ribs.
19:33 < Bluefoxicy> oh nice
19:33 < Bluefoxicy> I've recovered already.
19:33 < iHateMyISP2> the Drows sound violent : (
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19:34 < iHateMyISP2> i trhought they were like cute little fairies
19:34 < Bluefoxicy> Dud
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19:34 < Bluefoxicy> you have no idea how it works
19:34 < iHateMyISP2> except made of trees or something
19:34 < Bluefoxicy> Like
19:34 < Bluefoxicy> If you are dealing with the drow for any reason
19:34 < Bluefoxicy> you will have sex
19:34 < iHateMyISP2> oh thats not bad
19:34 < iHateMyISP2> but still not worth the stabbings
19:35 < Bluefoxicy> There will be a drow woman like "A handshake isn't the most ... comforting way to settle on a deal.  There are much better ways to establish... trust..."
19:35 < Bluefoxicy> (and also, for her to negotiate a better deal on her end)
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19:35 < Bluefoxicy> Whores and thieves
19:35 < iHateMyISP2> i'll stick with the fairies and river nymphs
19:36 < Bluefoxicy> They're evil after all.
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19:36 < Bluefoxicy> Why do business honestly when people part with their money and valuables more willingly under pressure of flirtation and sex?  (And, even more willingly when they're simply not paying attention)
19:37 < Bluefoxicy> God damn yes
19:37 < Bluefoxicy> I'm already healing.
19:37 < Bluefoxicy> Lightning can fuck off.
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19:44 < moogsi> huh, ru.wiki just went past 1000000 articles
19:44 < moogsi> i have 10 fingers so i find this number significant
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20:00 < marktraceur> SigmaWP: Hi! I was just quitting and rejoining, but I'm still happy to see people greeting :)
20:00 < SigmaWP> o/
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20:08 < purplebackpack89> why the hell is there such a backlog at CfD?
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20:11 < BlastHardcheese> because it's boring busywork no one likes doing
20:11 < IDoH> Why does AIV, UAA, and RPP get backlogged so much?
20:11 < IDoH> Same reason that BlastHardcheese said.
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20:12 < ChrisGualtieri> Is there a tool to find Wikilinks for articles?
20:12 < closedmouth> yes
20:12 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCkbXFn4SpY   ABBA - Two For The Price Of One
20:12 < mareklug> IDoH ^^
20:12 < closedmouth> it's linked from the {{wikify}} tag
20:12 < IDoH> ChrisGualtieri: Google, perhaps
20:13 < ChrisGualtieri> Not to wikify them.. but to find interwiki links for other pages
20:13 < closedmouth> or it used to be
20:13  * IDoH went through an ABBA stage as a preteen, mareklug.
20:13 < closedmouth> well you should have said that
20:13 < mareklug> IDoH heaven forbid that you went through Bach as an adolescent.  Could you possibly stand a partita as a full grown adult?
20:13 < IDoH> LOL
20:14 < closedmouth> http://vs.aka-online.de/cgi-bin/globalwpsearch.pl?search=Google&timeout=120
20:14 < mareklug> IDoH just click it
20:14  * IDoH also went through a Harry Chapin stage around the same time that kind of persists to this day.
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20:14 < IDoH> I have, mareklug, and I kind of like the song.
20:14 < mareklug> it's very witty
20:14 < IDoH> I like the sound, and the rhyming.
20:14 < purplebackpack89> CfD is a joke
20:15 < purplebackpack89> there are discussions that are over A MONTH OLD are are still open?!?!?
20:15 < ChrisGualtieri> Ok and one last thing... since I want to be sure... links to other article pages on en wiki only.
20:15 < Moe_Epsilon> yep
20:15 < Moe_Epsilon> legoktm: get to work, we just made you admin
20:15 < ChrisGualtieri> Like links to other articles from text.
20:15  * Moe_Epsilon cracks whip
20:15 < mareklug> Moe_Epsilon he is backing his bags to abscond to greater San Jose
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20:18 < mareklug> IDoH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMY4W0l4peY    The Smiths - "Ask" (Official Promo Video)
20:19 < Moe_Epsilon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#3_month_backlog
20:19 < Moe_Epsilon> 3 month long backlog at possibly unfree images too
20:20 < dtm> :-o
20:20 < ChrisGualtieri> if I was an admin I'd patrol those...
20:20 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: Why are you not?
20:20 < ChrisGualtieri> Never put in for it
20:20 < Demiurge1000> Why not?
20:21 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri it's probably too late.  You have made too many enemies.
20:21 < ChrisGualtieri> Just haven't... not good enough with disputes yet?
20:21 < ChrisGualtieri> What enemies?
20:21 < Demiurge1000> Do you feel that you get better with disputes the more you get involved with them?
20:21 < mareklug> the going strategy is to become admin before you become notorious.
20:21 < IDoH> Ahh. Classic rock.
20:21 < IDoH> I like it. And the song mareklug just linked me. ;-)
20:21 < mareklug> IDoH that is NOT classic rock.  The Smiths are NOT classic rock.
20:22 < IDoH> Why aren't the smiths classic rock?
20:22 < IDoH> Were they popular in the 2000's or 2010's?
20:22 < mareklug> why isn't Bethoven medieval polytonic music?
20:22 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: Are you, or have you ever been, a communist, fascist, liberal, conservative; or associated, with or without your knowledge, with any of the above?
20:22 < IDoH> Like, mainstream popular?
20:22 < Moe_Epsilon> mareklug: I was working alone not talking to anyone on-wiki on WP:FORMER and WO was saying I was better off banned xD too late for me too
20:23 < mareklug> Moe_Epsilon prolly.  Sucks to me notorious.
20:23 < ChrisGualtieri> mmm... no I don't do politics
20:23 < mareklug> IDoH being popular != classic rock.
20:23 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: That would count against you, then.
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20:23 < mareklug> IDoH I will link you classic rock so you can hear the difference.
20:23 < IDoH> Perhaps. But The Smiths were popular in the 80's and were a rock band, right?
20:23 < ChrisGualtieri> meh. So what. I don't plan on banning people as an admin
20:24 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: Banning?
20:24 < ChrisGualtieri> I got better things to do then mess with blocking and such
20:24 < mareklug> IDoH  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmKd1Bii0Lc   Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti (album) - "Kashmir"
20:24 < ChrisGualtieri> Indef blocks =/ bans, but the purpose is typically clear
20:25 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: Well, you do seem to get in a lot of arguments.
20:25 < ChrisGualtieri> Name three.
20:25 < mareklug> IDoH "The Smiths were an English alternative rock band, formed in Manchester in 1982."  (wikipedia)
20:25 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: Do you dispute my suggestion that you get in a lot of arguments?
20:25 < IDoH> So, they were a ROCK band, mareklug. X-D
20:25 < ChrisGualtieri> Yes.
20:25 < mareklug> but they were not CLASSIC FUCKING ROCK
20:25 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: I see.
20:26 < mareklug> IDoH I hope you have clicked on the Led Zeppelin ^
20:26 < IDoH> I have.
20:26 < ChrisGualtieri> A 4 month long argument still counts as one argument no matter how many places the other editor goes to make a squabble. Its still the same thing
20:26 < IDoH> Classic rock=old rock
20:26 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: So does the 3 minute version.
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20:26 < mareklug> IDoH old rock may well mean The Big Whopper
20:26 < mareklug> or Elvis Presley
20:27 < IDoH> What's The Big Whopper?
20:27 < Demiurge1000> Fucking rock, as the late great Douglas Adams pointed out, is very different from ordinary rock.
20:27 < Moe_Epsilon> i just searched youtube for led zeppelin and saw someone made one video for an entire Led Zeppelin album and the description was that it was under "fair use"
20:27 < IDoH> Elvis Presley is classic rock, too.
20:27 < Moe_Epsilon> wut
20:27 < mareklug> IDoH I meant, The Big Bopper
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20:27 < IDoH> No idea what the Big Bopper is.
20:27 < ChrisGualtieri> I'd probably pass in the old days, and not this behavior centric 'do you smash vandals?' era
20:27 < mareklug> IDoH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bopper
20:27 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: OK. No worries.
20:28 < IDoH> The Big Bopper is classic rock
20:28 < IDoH> You can't convince me otherwise.
20:28 < mareklug> IDoH you are misusing terminology
20:28 < IDoH> Uh?
20:28 < IDoH> How so?
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20:29 < mareklug> IDoH his infobox says:  Genres	Rock and roll, rockabilly, country
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20:29 < mareklug> not classic rock
20:29 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/classic%20rock
20:29 < ChrisGualtieri> What the heck is rockabilly.
20:29 < SigmaWP> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1e2q8u/widows_and_widowers_of_reddit_what_is_your/
20:29 < SigmaWP> I thought it said Windows and Windozers
20:29 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/rockabilly
20:29 < ChrisGualtieri> Who's been messing with genres again
20:29 < SigmaWP> ANd then I tried to read it and got confused
20:30 < IDoH> That's not a genre definition, mareklug. That's a radio format.
20:30 < mareklug> but that is a genre definition.
20:30 < mareklug> for fuck's sake.  I think Demiurge1000 will corroborate this.
20:30 < ChrisGualtieri> I thought genre was still defined as one of the sixteen major genres not this 'rockabilly' non sense x-x
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20:31 < ChrisGualtieri> Its like 'emo' or 'sludgecore'
20:31 < mareklug> rockabilly is not nonsense.  You clearly have hid under a rock, musically ChrisGualtieri
20:31 < IDoH> Radio formats=looking for ways to make money.
20:32 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri "Although the term was in common use even before the Burnettes wrote "Rock Billy Boogie", one of the first written uses of the term "rockabilly" was in a June 23, 1956, Billboard review of Ruckus Tyler's "Rock Town Rock".[109] Three weeks earlier, "rockabilly" was used in a press release describing Gene Vincent's "Be-Bop-A-Lula".[110]"
20:32 < SigmaWP> IDoH: Hello
20:32  * SigmaWP pets IDoH in the hair
20:32 < IDoH> Why do you like petting me, SigmaWP?
20:32 < mareklug> so, IDoH  Led Zeppelin is classic rock.  Have you heard of The Who?
20:32 < ChrisGualtieri> It is still not a genre I recognize >.>
20:32 < IDoH> Yeah
20:32 < SigmaWP> Your hair is soft?
20:33  * SigmaWP shrugs
20:33 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri so you don't recognize it.  But now you know better.
20:33 < IDoH> Heh heh.
20:33 < mareklug> IDoH do you know any THe Who songs?
20:33 < IDoH> Not really
20:33  * Moe_Epsilon trouts IDoH
20:34 < IDoH> Ow, that hurt, Moe_Epsilon? Why'dja do that?
20:34 < mareklug> IDoH because, Jane, you're an ignorant slut
20:34  * mareklug alludes to Saturday Night Live 
20:34 < IDoH> Sexist joke, mareklug.
20:34 < Moe_Epsilon> IDoH: because you don't know any Who
20:34  * IDoH trouts mareklug.
20:34 < Moe_Epsilon> :p
20:34 < mareklug> IDoH it is a meme
20:34 < IDoH> Heh
20:34 < IDoH> okay
20:34 < mareklug> it is a famous Dan Akroyd meme, in fact.
20:35 < Moe_Epsilon> IDoH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5muHdEFchyI </copyright violation>
20:35 < Moe_Epsilon> there you go
20:35 < mareklug> who's Dan Akroyd?
20:35 < IDoH> Actually, I know the first song of this album. Huh.
20:35 < mareklug> Moe_Epsilon funny, I was about to link that in live version :) :)
20:35 < Moe_Epsilon> xD
20:36 < Moe_Epsilon> 2:41:08 video though
20:36 < Moe_Epsilon> :P
20:36 < mareklug> IDoH "it's a teenage wasteland / they're all wasted!"
20:36 < mareklug> I meant Baba O'Reilly
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20:37 < mareklug> IDoH that too is classic rock
20:37 < Moe_Epsilon> I like  Eminence Front but no one else does
20:37 < Moe_Epsilon> :<
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20:38 < mareklug> IDoH will probably like it, as it has a vaguely electro feel to it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnHLgxKUsEA
20:39 < IDoH> Oh, I do like it.
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20:44 < mareklug> IDoH you did not like Bab O'Reilly (the first song on that Best of The Who)?
20:44 < mareklug> Baba *
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20:45  * Moe_Epsilon likes classic rock but his favorite genres of music are heavy metal and grunge
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20:45 < mareklug> heavy metal like Black Sabbath?  Grunge like Nirvana?
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20:45 < IDoH> Actually, I did like that song. Why?
20:46 < Moe_Epsilon> there is more current heavy metal than black sabbath, but yes :P
20:46 < Moe_Epsilon> i guess more modern metal is more metalcore
20:46 < mareklug> just asking.  I will link more classic rock to make that concept stick
20:46 < Moe_Epsilon> and yes, grunge like Nirvana and of that time era
20:46 < mareklug> Moe_Epsilon well, sure, there is all kinds of metal, from Eluveite through Týr
20:47 < Moe_Epsilon> heard of Eluveite, never heard of Tyr
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20:47 < mareklug> I will find one more classic rock for Hoses and then I have to reboot as I am installing Mac OS X 10.8 on an external disk.
20:48 < Moe_Epsilon> though I'm not entirely sure I would consider Eluveite heavy metal
20:48 < mareklug> Moe_Epsilon it's technically speaking folk metal.  but they jam.
20:48 < Moe_Epsilon> yeah it's some kind of mix of folk and hard rock
20:49 < mareklug> IDoH Queen is classic rock, albeit they are very weird in much of their ouvre.  You probably know this song:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_I  Queen - 'Under Pressure'
20:49 < IDoH> Yeah, I do
20:49 < mareklug> then that does not count, but do listen to it.  I will find something you have not heard.
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20:50 < Moe_Epsilon> Nightwish is kind of like Eluveite
20:50 < Moe_Epsilon> not really folk at all
20:50 < Moe_Epsilon> Eluveite minus the folk xD
20:51 < mareklug> IDoH this is Queen's first major hit, you probably have not heard it though (Nightwish is symphonic, whereas Eluveite is weird Celtic instruments and bagpipes and stuff)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAf2S6ij2gk   Queen - "Killer Queen"
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20:51 < Moe_Epsilon> basically, yeah
20:51 < Moe_Epsilon> :p
20:56 < dtm> Moe_Epsilon: Nightwish is supreme, but i have barely heard any after Tarja
20:56 < mareklug> dtm the last album is very good
20:57 < Moe_Epsilon> yeah their last album was good
20:58 < Moe_Epsilon> all I know is I am never arguing genre on Wikipedia again ;p last time I tried, it was a month long battle
20:58 < mareklug> well there is arguing and then there is plowing through accepted terminology
20:59  * Moe_Epsilon fought a long hard battle over Flyleaf
21:01 < Moe_Epsilon> mareklug: it was hell just trying to get fans to stop adding "love metal" to [[HIM (Finnish band)]]'s genre
21:01 < mareklug> look, Maltese is so intelligible after all, and they said it is a weird tongue:  Fuck kollha inti fl-ħmar, speċjalment Carly!
21:01 < Moe_Epsilon> (that is what the band called it)
21:01 < mareklug> and that's translating directly from Hebrew
21:02 < mareklug> oh well, metal fans are peculiar.  they invent all kinds of subsubsbugenres
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21:03 < Moe_Epsilon> | genre               = <!--Consensus is 'rock' exclusively. Any genre additions/deletions (including that of 'love metal') will be reverted.-->[[Rock music|Rock]] <small>(see [[HIM (Finnish band)#Genre|HIM's genre]])</small>
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21:03 < Moe_Epsilon> had to add that to every HIM article
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21:04 < mareklug> ok. ship going down.  this will probably take 34 minutes.
21:04 < dtm> Moe_Epsilon: lol HIM
21:05 < Moe_Epsilon> dtm: shut up that's my favorite band
21:05 < Moe_Epsilon> :<
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21:05 < dtm> Moe_Epsilon: ......wut.  4 srs?
21:05 < Moe_Epsilon> yes
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21:05 < dtm> oic ok
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21:05 < Moe_Epsilon> don't look at me like that >_>
21:05 < dtm> :-o
21:05 < dtm> :-I
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21:06 < moogsi> <3 \m/ LOVE METAL \m/ <3
21:06  * Moe_Epsilon pets moogsi
21:06 < dtm> I LOVE METAL TOO
21:06 < moogsi> haha
21:07 < moogsi> HIM is my friend's favourite band so i have come to have an appreciation for them
21:07 < Moe_Epsilon> yay more fans :D
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21:07 < moogsi> it's weird cos normally he has good taste
21:07 < Moe_Epsilon> aww :<
21:07 < moogsi> well, i'm not sure about favourite.... he definitely likes them a lot though
21:08  * Moe_Epsilon is tattooed with a heartagram
21:10 < moogsi> nnnnnooooooooooo not our only picture of kim-jong-un https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kimjongun.png
21:10 < moogsi> third time this month a crap drawing gets deleted
21:10 < moogsi> and featured on my user page
21:10 < moogsi> well, since the middle of april i think
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21:11 < moogsi> except the reason it's being speedied is that it isn't a crap drawing, but a photo with a filter applied :l
21:11 < moogsi> so sneaky..
21:12 < moogsi> thing is, if anyone wants to actually do a decent drawing of him, it would be very widely used
21:12 < Moe_Epsilon> if a free image is not possible, why isn't a non-free image uploaded?
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21:13 < Moe_Epsilon> (locally, for his article)
21:13 < moogsi> well es.wiki can't
21:13 < moogsi> i think that's the main reason
21:13 < moogsi> huge wiki without fair use
21:13 < Moe_Epsilon> es wiki?
21:13 < Moe_Epsilon> oh
21:13 < Moe_Epsilon> I meant en.wiki
21:14 < Moe_Epsilon> we don't have a picture of him there either
21:14 < moogsi> not sure tbh
21:14 < moogsi> there is probably some esoteric reason
21:15 < moogsi> ohhhh
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21:16 < moogsi> it's because the fair use policy specifies that there must be no opportunity to obtain a free version
21:16 < moogsi> i.e. the subject is dead
21:16 < moogsi> though from the perspective of obtaining free pictures of him, he may as well be dead
21:16 < Moe_Epsilon> exactly
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21:19 < moogsi> another way would be to persuade a press agency to release *one* image
21:20 < Moe_Epsilon> not likely to happen :p
21:20 < moogsi> it's not like the man's unphotographable, but everyone taking pictures of him is necessarily on the job
21:23 < Moe_Epsilon> we need a Korean wikipedian who is feeling froggy
21:23 < Moe_Epsilon> xD
21:24 < moogsi> "Per Wikipedia's policies on non-free content, fair use images cannot be used if it is deemed that it is possible for a free license image to be created in the future. Kim Jong-un is a living person residing in a country with freedom of panorama, and is not incarcerated."
21:24 < moogsi> so logical
21:24 < moogsi> what if... everyone else in the country were effectively incarcerated :P
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21:26 < Moe_Epsilon> maybe a Chinese Wikipedian could get a picture
21:26 < Moe_Epsilon> :<
21:26  * Moe_Epsilon doesn't know how freely people enter leave the border
21:26 < moogsi> possible, Chinese wikipedia is not hugely available in China itself
21:26 < moogsi> afaik
21:27 < Moe_Epsilon> that doesn't mean Commons isn't
21:27 < Moe_Epsilon> :P
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21:28 < russavia> just wait til he meets putin
21:28 < SigmaWP> baboom
21:29 < moogsi> apparently you can read Chinese and English Wikipedia in China, but you will have trouble reading politically sensitive articles
21:30 < moogsi> articles are blocked selectively, apparently
21:30 < Moe_Epsilon> indeed they are
21:31 < moogsi> that's someone's job
21:31 < moogsi> blocking articles on Wikipedia in China
21:32 < Moe_Epsilon> you can bet http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AD%E5%9B%9B%E4%BA%8B%E4%BB%B6 is blocked
21:32 < Moe_Epsilon> :P
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22:01 < wctaiwan> russavia: ping
22:02 < wctaiwan> or really, any commons editor
22:03 < Moe_Epsilon> wctaiwan: maybe I can help?
22:03 < Moe_Epsilon> maybe not, try me
22:03 < Moe_Epsilon> ;p
22:03 < wctaiwan> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#Taiwan_.28Republic_of_China.29
22:03 < wctaiwan> I think that's… wrong?
22:04 < wctaiwan> the translation of the laws, official or not, is pretty accurate.
22:04 < wctaiwan> putting a photo of a statue on commons isn't "Reproduction of artistic works solely for the purpose of selling copies."
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22:05 < Moe_Epsilon> it appears in the case of statues in Taiwan, they are deleted, and have been on Commons for a while
22:05 < Moe_Epsilon> (according to past discussions)
22:06 < wctaiwan> can you link me to any?
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22:06 < Moe_Epsilon> all there is, is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Taiwanese_FOP_cases
22:06 < Moe_Epsilon> only four
22:06 < Moe_Epsilon> :/
22:07 < wctaiwan> they just cite the thing I linked to.
22:07 < Moe_Epsilon> yes, I know
22:07 < wctaiwan> I think the "Not OK" part isn't a correct interpretation of what's said below..
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22:08 < Moe_Epsilon> the links to the laws are deadlinks
22:08 < Moe_Epsilon> to me, anyways
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22:09 < wctaiwan> I'll fix them
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22:12 < Moe_Epsilon> wctaiwan: I think I understand now. It has to be allowable for commercial purposes to be Commons, and since it is not allowed for "reproduction of artistic works solely for the purpose of selling copies"
22:12 < Moe_Epsilon> it isn't free enough
22:13 < wctaiwan> yeah, I think that's debatable though.
22:13 < Moe_Epsilon> that word solely does throw a wrench in there
22:13 < wctaiwan> that's what I'm saying
22:14 < wctaiwan> I reproduced the work, but not solely for the purpose of selling copies.
22:14 < wctaiwan> is it illegal for someone else to sell copies?
22:14 < wctaiwan> I think that's highly debatable.
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22:15 < Moe_Epsilon> wctaiwan: I think since it ''could'' be used to sell copies solely, which is against the law, that is why Commons won't accept it (because someone nefarious could cause us trouble)
22:15 < wctaiwan> I'm going to check if there are clarifications from officials
22:16 < Moe_Epsilon> let me know :p
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22:18 < wctaiwan> meh, google doesn't give me anything specific enough to convince commons.
22:18 < wctaiwan> I really think it should be okay
22:18 < wctaiwan> but.. yeah.
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22:20 < Moe_Epsilon> yeah :/
22:20 < Moe_Epsilon> it just might not be "free enough" in Commons eyes
22:23 < moogsi> the "solely" may as well not be there
22:23 < moogsi> what does that even mean? i can sell as many copies as i like, as long as i also do something else?
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22:24 < moogsi_> bah
22:25 < moogsi_> the "solely" may as well not be there
22:25 < moogsi_> what does that even mean? i can sell as many copies as i like, as long as i also do something else?
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22:27 < moogsi_> wctaiwan: we would welcome a solid reinterpretation that lets us host more files
22:27 < moogsi_> but i'm not seeing it
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22:28 < wctaiwan> I'm drafting an email to the relevant gov't organ.
22:28 < moogsi_> ok cool
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22:30 < wctaiwan> moogsi: what's the likelihood that there will be some bs about how a private email doesn't prove anything and I might have just made the reply up?
22:30 < moogsi> extremely low
22:30 < wctaiwan> good.
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22:32 < moogsi> how we are currently interpreting it is: you can't sell copies because that would infringe on the rightsholder's right of reproduction/distribution
22:33 < moogsi> because free cultural works can't have commercial restrictions, that prohibits us from distributing them under a free license
22:33 < dandv> Would this qualify as vandalism? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cognitive_distortion&diff=next&oldid=552578793
22:34 < moogsi> of course it is fine to take a photo and keep it yourself (you haven't "made a copy in order to sell it")
22:35 < moogsi> or whatever the wording is... of course i can't read chinese and i'd be happy to be told we're wrong
22:37 < moogsi> if you really want to help us out then you can clarify Mexico's or North Korea's laws about FoP which are frankly incomprehensible :P
22:38 < moogsi> well, i think mexico is fine, but people love arguing about that one for some reason
22:38 < moogsi> that and italy
22:39 < yeboot> FoP?
22:39 < moogsi> it's not exciting https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:FOP
22:39 < moogsi> it's a pain in the balls more than anything
22:41 < moogsi> according to the Berne Convention you're inside a work of art right now probably
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22:44 < dandv> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cognitive_distortion&diff=next&oldid=552578793 is quite vandalic
22:46 < Guerillero> no
22:46 < Guerillero> I would rework her additions
22:47 < Jasper_Deng> the primary distinction between vandalism and non-vandalism is the former is bad-faith, while the latter is good-faith
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22:48 < Guerillero> I think it is a copyvio
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22:50 < dandv> Guerillero: she used bad grammar, botched links, removed references etc.
22:50 < dandv> Her user page indicates she's a student on an assignment
22:51 < dandv> her professor even left a comment that she should get to work
22:51 < Guerillero> i don't see bad faith
22:51 < Jasper_Deng_away> it isn't bad-faith though, so it's not outright vandalism
22:51 < dandv> it's incompetence
22:51 < dandv> and doing work when no work was needed
22:51 < Guerillero> and the links removed were fairly bad
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22:52 < dandv> Guerillero: what do you mean? For instance, she removed the link from All or nothing thinking (Splitting).
22:52 < Guerillero> external links
22:52 < dandv> And she capitalized 'R' in [[Emotional reasoning]], which broke the link
22:53 < dandv> Jasper_Deng_away: is there another denomination for sweeping and unjustified edits, that are not done in bad faith?
22:53 < dandv> this looks like a case of a student using Wikipedia as their homework canvas
22:54 < Guerillero> it is a wikipedia assignment yes
22:54 < Guerillero> but those are common
22:55 < Guerillero> should the edit be reverted, most likely
22:55 < Guerillero> but it wasn't vandalism
22:55 < dandv> ok well, I've quasi-reverted it
22:55 < Guerillero> and if I saw you huggle that edit away I would pull your rollback
22:55 < dandv> BTW don't headings need to be in Sentence case?
22:56 < dandv> wow. I've been speaking English for 20 years, and never heard the word "huggle".
22:56 < dandv> not even sure how to parse that :)
22:56 < wctaiwan> moogsi: http://pastebin.com/CCFz96Tb
22:56 < wctaiwan> that should be good enough, yes?
22:57 < Guerillero> dandv: it is a tool used by lots of people
22:57 < Guerillero> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HG
22:58 < moogsi> wctaiwan: looks fine to me
22:58 < wctaiwan> alright
22:58  * wctaiwan sends
22:59 < wctaiwan> sent
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22:59 < moogsi> i hope they don't say "we don't know, it's not come up in court", we get that sometimes
22:59 < wctaiwan> it… shouldn't.
22:59 < wctaiwan> at worst it'll be a non-answer that doesn't say it's okay
22:59 < moogsi> i guess
23:00 < moogsi> well worst would be no answer :P
23:00 < wctaiwan> our government is pretty good at responding to citizen enquiries, I find.
23:00 < wctaiwan> they're terrible at a lot of other things :p
23:00 < moogsi> :)
23:00 < wctaiwan> but answering citizen emails is something they do decently
23:00 < wctaiwan> which I take is the case where you are as well :P
23:00 < moogsi> sounds like my ISP.. they are crap but have Great customer service
23:00 < dandv> Guerillero: I've read up on Huggle. Thanks. What did you mean that you would "pull" my rollback?
23:00 < wctaiwan> all the freedom of information requests.
23:01 < moogsi> they are ok at doing anything they're required to do by law, yes :P
23:01 < wctaiwan> count your blessings
23:02 < wctaiwan> lots of countries aren't like that.
23:02 < moogsi> yeah i guess i should be very grateful for that much
23:02 < Guerillero> I would remove it from an account because the edit wasn't vandalism in a strict sense. A revert with a personal message would be the best action
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23:03 < moogsi> not grateful to the government, grateful that i was lucky enough to be born in the right place
23:03 < moogsi> i'm not gonna give them a pat on the back for doing what they're supposed to be doing
23:05 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: hi
23:05 < wctaiwan> oh and, if the reply is that it's okay, we need to pay attention to article 64
23:05 < wctaiwan> hey sigma.
23:05 < wctaiwan> attribution is mandatory.
23:05 < SigmaWP> > article 64
23:05 < SigmaWP> Sounds like I walked into something sensitive
23:05 < SigmaWP> or maybe wikidata
23:06 < moogsi> yeah that's fine, there are a few laws that have that kind of stipulation
23:07 < wctaiwan> copyright laws can be fascinating
23:07 < wctaiwan> PITA, but fascinating nonetheless
23:07 < wctaiwan> especially considering how ill equipped they are dealing with digital works >.>
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23:08 < moogsi> they are almost completely agnostic of the existence of the itnernet, yeah
23:10 < moogsi> a lot of the principles in US copyright law are based on actual physical copies of things
23:10 < wctaiwan> Google Incorporation <vasanyi@msn.com>: Congratulations!!!!  This is to notify you that your E-mail Address has emerged you a winner in the Google Promotion Award as an Active Internet User Of Google Search Engine. Dowload/View Attached File for More Details and Validation of your Price.
23:10 < wctaiwan> totally
23:10  * wctaiwan downloads attachments
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23:10 < moogsi> WHAT DID YOU WIN
23:10 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Nigerian prince?
23:11 < wctaiwan> moogsi: PCSpeedUpCleaner Professional Deluxe Premier Edition 2014 :o
23:11 < wctaiwan> too bad I use a mac >.>
23:11 < moogsi> OOOOH
23:12 < moogsi> but it's the professional deluxe premier editionnn :(
23:12 < wctaiwan> :p
23:12 < moogsi> i love how you get an award for using google
23:12 < wctaiwan> (I made that up, if it isn't obvious enough. No way I'd actually open the damn thing)
23:12 < moogsi> congratulations on staying alive by metabolizing!!! here is your prize!
23:12 < wctaiwan> lol
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23:23 < popl> Hello Wikipedians.
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23:35 < Fox2k11> http://www.avclub.com/articles/movie-theater-manager-finds-way-to-make-iron-man-3,97607/ <-- WTF? common Sense Failure.. I assume
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23:48 < killiondude> good evening wikipedians
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23:50 < killiondude> where'd all the good wikipedians go?
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23:51 < popl> Valhalla?
23:51 < Fox2k11> good wikipedians? *shrugs*
23:51 < wctaiwan> russavia: http://i.imgur.com/XmWHkpP.png is of incorrect (duh) but international incident can into polandball
23:52 < russavia> yeah i saw that earlier -- do you know which one it reminds me of?
23:52 < wctaiwan> no
23:52 < russavia> http://i.imgur.com/2tkB1.png
23:53 < wctaiwan> heh
23:53 < russavia> russia's an arsehole
23:53 < popl> maybe Poland is just fat
23:53 < popl> ;P
23:53 < popl> Ethiopia has no problem with that water. Send it to them.
23:54 < popl> ;P
23:55  * popl alienates himself. :P
23:56 < SigmaWP> Social alienation
23:56 < SigmaWP> You all need more workers' benefits
23:58 < russavia> the nordic metal comic is huge--http://i.imgur.com/qWJ3qWc.png
23:58 < popl> Have you guys created jargon for things on Wikipedia?
23:58 < russavia> lost it at anti-suomite
23:58 < popl> Sorry, that was a horrible question.
23:59 < killiondude> alphabet soup
23:59 < killiondude> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OMGWTFBBQ
23:59 < popl> Thank you killiondude
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