User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-05-07
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Jump to navigationJump to search--- Log opened Tue May 07 00:00:28 2013 00:06 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [] 00:09 -!- Neukoln [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Neukoln] has left #wikipedia-en [] 00:13 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has quit [Quit: PWNT] 00:14 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:19 -!- aghastEVK [ThrashIRC@122.151.109.248] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:19 -!- aghastEVK [ThrashIRC@122.151.109.248] has left #wikipedia-en [] 00:19 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20 -!- aghastEVK [ThrashIRC@122.151.109.248] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:21 -!- aghastEVK [ThrashIRC@122.151.109.248] has left #wikipedia-en [] 00:25 -!- aghastEVK [ThrashIRC@122.151.109.248] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:25 -!- aghastEVK [ThrashIRC@122.151.109.248] has left #wikipedia-en [] 00:28 < SigmaWP> cool 00:28 < SigmaWP> Blowjobs are illegal in Malaysia 00:30 < Bradford> o_o 00:34 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35 -!- Mike_H [~quassel@72.184.56.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36 -!- Jasper_Deng_busy is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 00:36 -!- Mike_H [~quassel@72.184.56.186] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:36 -!- Mike_H is now known as Guest34328 00:39 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|iPad 00:39 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:43 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng_busy 00:46 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 00:50 -!- Beetstra_ [~Beetstrab@109.171.130.211] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:50 -!- Beetstra_ [~Beetstrab@109.171.130.211] has quit [Changing host] 00:50 -!- Beetstra_ [~Beetstrab@Wikimedia/Beetstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:50 -!- Beetstra_ is now known as Beetstra 00:51 -!- Beetstra [~Beetstrab@Wikimedia/Beetstra] has left #wikipedia-en [] 00:53 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:57 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has quit [Quit: PWNT] 00:59 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Quit: :-*] 00:59 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:03 -!- FastLizard4|iPad is now known as FastLizard4 01:04 -!- Jasper_Deng_busy is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 01:08 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:08 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 01:08 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:13 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Quit: kaldari] 01:20 < mattbuck> that sucks SigmaWP 01:20 < SigmaWP> It blows 01:21 -!- kondi [~konarak@wikimedia/kondicherry] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:38 -!- kondi [~konarak@wikimedia/kondicherry] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39 < tucoxn> goodnight, wherever you are! 01:39 -!- tucoxn [~tucoxn@countervandalism/tucoxn] has left #wikipedia-en [] 01:50 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:04 < SigmaWP> so good night 02:08 -!- Shudde [3cf0f28e@wikipedia/Shudde] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:08 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Quit: You cannot logic someone out of an opinion they did not logic themselves into] 02:24 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Heligoland] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:29 -!- wctaiwan [8c701e84@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:29 -!- kondi [~konarak@wikimedia/kondicherry] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:35 -!- kelapstick [ca83e93b@wikipedia/Kelapstick] has quit [Quit: beer time] 02:48 -!- Pink|away is now known as PinkAmpersand 02:52 -!- electabuzz [~cam@unaffiliated/onei] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:52 < electabuzz> anyone know if there's an alternative to webcite? 03:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "911 call -- 'I've been kidnapped!' -- cops find 3 women missing for years" 03:04 -!- wctaiwan [8c701e84@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:07 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:29 -!- matanya [~matanya@wikimedia/matanya] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:35 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:39 < Steven_Zhang> hey 03:40 -!- wctaiwan [8c701e84@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:47 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|zZzZ 03:52 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:53 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:57 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has quit [Quit: Steven_Zhang] 04:02 -!- matanya [~matanya@wikimedia/matanya] has left #wikipedia-en ["Ex-Chat"] 04:14 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Heligoland] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:24 -!- JoFo [~Jean-Fran@host-213-213-224-210.brutele.be] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:26 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:30 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:30 -!- sdamashek|sleep is now known as sdamashek 04:40 -!- TParis [~TParis@wikipedia/TParis] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:42 < mareklug> http://www.zdnet.com/nokia-confirms-new-hero-device-the-lumia-928-with-a-teaser-7000014990/ lol. I read this as "Nokia confirms new hero device the lumia 928 with a TASER" 04:42 < mareklug> and thought to myself, whoa!!!!! a new trend in smartphones... 04:42 -!- Captain-n00dle [~Cptn-n00d@wikipedia/Captain-n00dle] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:46 < tommorris> I'd buy a taserphone. it'd be great at work. 04:47 -!- koishi_ [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:47 < mareklug> tommorris are you keen on the upcoming Mac Pro? 04:47 < wctaiwan> you can just buy a taser... 04:47 -!- koishi_ [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:47 < mareklug> wctaiwan but you want your taser on your smart phone. 04:48 < mareklug> like you said before, you want to carry only one iOS device 04:49 < wctaiwan> hah 04:49 < wctaiwan> a taser for the whole family. 04:50 < mareklug> an iPhone with a build in iTaser, iMagine, something that would adapt… for the users of Tokyo subway, it would be autoset on gentle, for a lone girl walking at night, on high.. 04:50 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wouldnt the taser drain phone battery? 04:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> also what if you accidentaly fire it while talking 04:51 < mareklug> we would need beter batteries. surely by then we would have those liquid batteires that run on alcohol. 04:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> iPhone taser would be iZap 04:51 < mareklug> you just pour some 90 proof into your iPhone and you are good for more tasing 04:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> phones should have geiger meters 04:52 < mareklug> only Android devices would accidentally discharge during talking. iOS tasers would be of course designed better, foolproof. 04:53 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Quit: So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Operator from a pure heart.] 04:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if apples gps is any indication it would probably zap your mother when targeting the rapist after her 04:53 < mareklug> apple gps is the same as any other -- it includes now GLONASS 04:54 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:55 < tommorris> mareklug: haven't looked at the new Mac Pro. and I certainly don't have the money for a new Mac Pro. ;) 04:55 < mareklug> ah. people buy cars. save a car, but a Mac Pro. 04:56 < tommorris> mareklug: I use one of the diddy 11" Airs. Fae referred to it as a "girly laptop" once. I responded by saying "because back pain is manly" 04:56 < tommorris> and I don't own a car either. ;) 04:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> iCar 04:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> iDrive? 04:56 < mareklug> the new Mac Pro is nowhwere to be looked at just yet, I am afraid. But the rumor mill is rampant. Something about a production line in China manufacturing 2TB SSD cards... 04:57 < mareklug> tommorris it would not be one of the 2008 originals? I have one, with a tiny SSD in it that is slower than a disk :) 04:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 2tb? 04:58 < mareklug> yes, one per usual 6GB/sec SATA slot 04:58 < tommorris> 2TB SSD would be lovely. I'd love to get all my porn and mp3z at hyper-speed 04:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it would be 2.03tbs 04:59 -!- phuzion [~phuzion@irc.teh-server.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tommorris just get a 2TB SSD raid 0 04:59 < wctaiwan> does it matter? 04:59 < wctaiwan> isn't decoding still slower than disk access? 04:59 < tommorris> I joke about the porn and mp3z. I've been using SSD for a while and it is noticeably faster 05:00 < wctaiwan> (and both are certainly faster than playback) 05:00 < wctaiwan> right, system drives should definitely all be SSDs. The other main advantage imo is that they're impervious to shock. 05:00 < wctaiwan> for some reason laptops have a really strong gravitational attraction. 05:00 < mareklug> but when they go, your data catastrophically goes with them 05:01 -!- Shudde [3cf0f28e@wikipedia/Shudde] has quit [] 05:01 -!- tsxp [d9a28af6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.162.138.246] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:01 < wctaiwan> I haven't heard of broken SSDs. 05:01 < mareklug> I have. Don't buy the OCZ brand. 05:01 < QueenOfFrance> :o 05:02 < tsxp> Hello there. I'm having a lot of problems loading wikipedia pages since about 2 days. Keeps hanging up on loading stuff from bits.wikimedia.org. Could this be a problem on my side? Any ideas? 05:02 -!- PinkAmpersand is now known as Pink|away 05:02 -!- AndyBotwin [~RandyNewm@unaffiliated/andybotwin] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 05:02 < QueenOfFrance> tsxp: lemme guess, you're using https? 05:02 < tsxp> QueenOfFrance: Hm no, doing http. 05:02 < QueenOfFrance> interesting 05:03 < QueenOfFrance> and by that I mean I have no clue what's going on 05:03 < mareklug> tsxp give us one or two sample URLs which are flaky for you right now 05:03 < tsxp> Tried the usual, clearing cache, cookies, reseting router, etc. Not having any trouble on other websites either. 05:03 < tsxp> mareklug: It's basically any page on en.wikipedia.org, but sure, give me a second. 05:04 < mareklug> tsxp your ISP may have zonked wikimedia in its DNS caching. maybe set DNS servers tosometthingelse for now? 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4 05:04 < QueenOfFrance> mareklug: nah more like it there's been reports of issues with https 05:04 < QueenOfFrance> could be that http is affected too 05:04 < mareklug> but he is using port 80 05:05 < wctaiwan> status.wikimedia.org only lists DNS as having performance issues 05:05 < tsxp> mareklug: I guess I'll try that. Those are the free DNS servers from Google, right? 05:05 < wctaiwan> everything else is green 05:05 < tommorris> ooh http://www.wikivoyage.org/ is pretty. hadn't seen that page for a while. 05:05 < mareklug> right. You rother option is OpenDNS 05:05 < wctaiwan> they are, txsp 05:05 < wctaiwan> tsxp* 05:05 < tsxp> Alright. 05:06 < wctaiwan> could have chosen a better typeface for the logo >.> 05:06 -!- phuzion [~phuzion@ipv6.irc.teh-server.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:06 < mareklug> wctaiwan nah. it is your basic slacker type 05:06 < tsxp> Well okay, thanks. Usually problems like this pass at some point, and until then I'm getting by using googlecache'd pages. :) 05:06 < addshore> Theopolisme: you have another bit of a trial :) 05:07 < QueenOfFrance> tsxp: it's most likely a routing issue 05:08 < QueenOfFrance> If you can perform a traceroute, we can forward that to the tech folks 05:08 < tsxp> Sure, I can do that. Should I trace en.wikipedia.org or the bits. that keeps hanging up? 05:09 < mareklug> tsxp for moments like this it is good to login somewhre far away and try to lynx wikipedia from there. say freeshell.org 05:09 < tsxp> Good idea, hold on. 05:09 < QueenOfFrance> tsxp: well if it's bits, you can just disable js and have wikipedia work fine 05:10 -!- phuzion [~phuzion@ipv6.irc.teh-server.com] has quit [Client Quit] 05:10 -!- phuzion [~phuzion@ipv6.irc.teh-server.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:10 -!- tttb [~tom@host-78-149-40-170.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:11 < tsxp> Oh. Didn't realize that this is only serving JS. That makes it a lot easier. Well loading via links from a dedicated server works fine. 05:11 -!- sdamashek is now known as sdamashek|away 05:11 < tsxp> Makes sense though as it won't load JS anyway. 05:11 < mareklug> now try it from your own host 05:12 < QueenOfFrance> tsxp: iirc it's js and perhaps css 05:12 < QueenOfFrance> not much else, if anything 05:12 -!- tsxp_ [d9a28af6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.162.138.246] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:13 < QueenOfFrance> You can try linking a traceroute to bits in #wikimedia-tech and seeing if anybody there can find the problem 05:13 < tsxp_> Turns out, disabling JS in your browser while using qwebirc is not a good idea. 05:13 < QueenOfFrance> lmao :D 05:14 < tsxp_> Thanks for the hint. Didn't know bits.wikimedia.org just serves JS, this lets me circumvent the problem until it subsides without much of a bother. :) 05:14 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:15 < QueenOfFrance> tsxp_: I keep [[Dillo]] around for these cases :) 05:15 < QueenOfFrance> ruins the layout, but bypasses any js problems 05:15 -!- tsxp [d9a28af6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.162.138.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:18 < tsxp_> ah well, i'm on windows. Opera let's me disable JS with just 2 clicks without making me go through Preference dialogs though 05:19 < tsxp_> But it's browser wide, so I'll have to make sure I'm not using anything in a tab that needs JS to stay alive. :P 05:19 < QueenOfFrance> tsxp_: http://dplus-browser.sourceforge.net/ works on windows too :) 05:19 < wctaiwan> mareklug: is it "turn right in 10m" or "turn right after 10m"? 05:20 < tsxp_> hehe, there's a DOS version too 05:20 < tsxp_> cool stuff, gonna try that out 05:20 < QueenOfFrance> tsxp_: it pretty much doesn't support anything, hence it bypasses jc issues, css issues, etc 05:20 < mareklug> tsxp_ on Safari you disable JS with one click :) Develop > Disable JavaScript You can also disable site specific hacks, images, local file restrictions, styles, empty caches or disable them 05:20 < tsxp_> aye. don't really need any of that to read WP. 05:21 < tsxp_> mareklug: F12 -> Enable JS. Not much more complicated. =) 05:21 < mareklug> you have to remember that is F12 and what is F11... 05:22 < tsxp_> i'm very good at hitting keys :O 05:22 < tsxp_> ah, we all love our browsers, don't we. 05:22 < tsxp_> it's just like cars. 05:24 < tommorris> Firefox: the "It's All Text" plugin means I can edit Wikipedia articles in a proper text editor, namely MacVim. ;) 05:24 < mareklug> or Aquaemacs 05:25 -!- Elfix [elfix@wikipedia/pdpc.21for7.elfix] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:25 < tsxp_> But he said proper text editor. 05:25 * tsxp_ runs away 05:26 < mareklug> Aquaemacs is so well integrated into the Mac desktop / Finder you don't even have to know the rms command set 05:26 < mareklug> but if you happen to have grown up on it, it is easy sailing 05:27 < tsxp_> I'm sure it's great. I have very little knowledge about anything Mac. Just saw the opportunity for a joke because it had the "emacs" in it. I'm sorry. :o 05:29 -!- Elfix [elfix@wikipedia/pdpc.21for7.elfix] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:31 < mareklug> "anyone with a CS 3 or later serial number will get their first Creative Cloud year for $29.99 per month" 05:32 < mareklug> are these people living in the real world? 05:32 < wctaiwan> why not? 05:32 < mareklug> and what is with the obscene 29.99? can't bring themselves to price it at round $30? 05:32 < wctaiwan> I mean, I don't like the business model, but you're talking about software that normally cost upwards of 400 dollars. 05:33 < mareklug> for fuck's sake, what a greedy, duplicitous bunch of bastards. 05:33 < tommorris> mareklug: my preference for Vim over Emacs is mostly down to an RSI-based distaste for keyboard chording. 05:33 < tsxp_> Significantly over 400... 05:33 < wctaiwan> adobe software has always been extremely expensive. 05:33 < mareklug> tommorris what is RSI? 05:33 < tsxp_> On the other hand, it has always been extremely easy to crack. 05:33 < tommorris> mareklug: Repetitive Strain Injury. also known as fucking your wrists up because too much computing. 05:33 < wctaiwan> mareklug: I keep finding it amusing that you find everything expensive except macs :p 05:34 < mareklug> wctaiwan well, having spent over 500 for it as a student (CS4), I am in no mood to be kidded about now getting this generous discount. 05:34 < wctaiwan> just keep using CS4 05:34 < wctaiwan> it's not like that'll break. 05:34 < mareklug> indeed. and the freebie CS2 on the 2005 G5 ppc iMac. both work just fine. 05:36 < mareklug> wctaiwan macs too are expensive. why do you think I buy the best and then use them for a decade 05:36 < wctaiwan> also, TextWrangler. :D 05:36 < wctaiwan> mareklug: meh. Ultimately I think one is better off buying cheaper machines and replacing them twice as often. 05:37 < wctaiwan> technology evolves too fast for decade-old machines to be fully useful. 05:37 < mareklug> it's absolutely no fun buying mediocre machines. 05:37 < wctaiwan> take your G5 mac, for example--the latest it can run is 10.5 because 10.6+ do not support PPC 05:38 < wctaiwan> that severely limits its usefulness. 05:38 < mareklug> but the latest I do run is 10.4.11, because I have bogs of useful Mac Classic stuff. 05:38 < mareklug> gobs * 05:38 < wctaiwan> bogs too :p 05:39 < mareklug> wctaiwan how does it limit its usefulnesss???????? try running a Mac Classic application on an Intel Mac 05:39 < mareklug> for everything, a reason. 05:40 < wctaiwan> try running OS X 10.8 on the powermac... 05:40 < mareklug> why would you? 05:40 < mareklug> i have a nice fast Core 2 Duo for that 05:40 < wctaiwan> you wouldn't. You would if the machine were newer. 05:40 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:41 < wctaiwan> eek. thefts in the department building 05:41 < mareklug> because I retain my 10.4.11 on a ppc, I have access to fast computing on an OS with lots of my work that runs on tht software. What is wrong with that? Do I have to do everyting on one CPU? 05:42 < wctaiwan> I don't think most people hold on to old versions of software. 05:43 < mareklug> some people do. printers notoriously do. and mine happen to be book designs in PageMaker and fonts, lots of fonts. 05:43 < wctaiwan> ah, PageMaker. 05:43 < wctaiwan> well, Fireworks was killed off my Adobe today. 05:43 < wctaiwan> I can sympathise. 05:43 < wctaiwan> s/my/by/ 05:44 < mareklug> I can still lay out books in PageMaker under System 7.5.6 :) on a 35 MHz Motorola68k CPU. But I need a SCSI disk. 05:44 < mareklug> the performance is fine. 05:44 < mareklug> 25 MHZ * 05:45 < wctaiwan> well, go watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 05:46 -!- tsxp_ [d9a28af6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.162.138.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:50 < mareklug> wctaiwan I really cannot relate to that. My Macintosh progression is full of discontinuities as I hopped from hardware to next hardware. 05:51 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:51 < wctaiwan> well, you seem like the type to want to run DOS applications after 20 years >.> 05:51 < wctaiwan> I mean come on, System 7? 05:51 -!- Deskana [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:51 -!- Deskana [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 05:51 -!- Deskana [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:51 < mareklug> wctaiwani never ran DOS. and these things I am seeing are butt ugly. they were designed by baboons for baboons. 05:52 < mareklug> Have you actually used System 6 and then System 7? 05:52 < wctaiwan> heh. suit yourself. 05:52 < mareklug> do you know what BBEdit is? 05:52 < wctaiwan> nope. I got a chance to use OS 9.2 extensively and some OS 8 at a time when 10.3/10.4 were the latest versions. 05:52 < wctaiwan> I do. 05:53 < wctaiwan> [20:36] <wctaiwan> also, TextWrangler. :D 05:53 < wctaiwan> same company. 05:53 < wctaiwan> I also used the infamous hockey puck mouse and the impressively durable first generation iBook. 05:54 < mareklug> "That BBEdit is still an essential tool more than two decades after its initial release is remarkable. " http://www.macworld.com/article/2011461/mac-classics-why-bbedit-rules.html 05:54 < mareklug> the design of the interface and the programming/editing tools, not to mention the Adobe stuff for early Apple were above anything available on Windows. 05:55 < wctaiwan> but the latest version is Intel-only and runs on 10.8. 05:55 < wctaiwan> this is pretty pointless, really. 05:55 < mareklug> I don't even have the latest version. I am telling you what I used on system 7. 05:55 < wctaiwan> I'm just saying I think it's better to have a 3-4 year old low-to-midrange machine than a 10-year-old top of the line one. 05:56 < mareklug> well I have a 3 year old top of the line machine and a 1998 top of the line machine and a 1988 top of the line machine and a 1987 top of the line machine… all work except for Mac IIci's disk. I am now motivated to go find me one, preferably in mint never used condition. 05:57 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:57 < wctaiwan> have fun looking. 05:57 < mareklug> ebay 05:57 < mareklug> my next machine will also be top of the line. if I like the Mac Pro, it might be that. 05:57 -!- Guest29367 [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:58 < mareklug> I did not like the 2012 iMac and there was no need for one 05:58 < mareklug> did not like enough * 05:58 < wctaiwan> I wouldn't mind a Haswell rMBP myself >.> but alas. 06:00 < mareklug> wctaiwan you should sort of fix your sights on the 2015 model year. that will be the 2nd generation. first generation tends to have nits in it, Apple history shows. 06:00 < wctaiwan> it'll be second generation 06:00 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 06:00 < wctaiwan> first generation is the current Ivy Bridge ones. 06:01 < mareklug> no. Ivy Bridge and Haswell are rather disparate as generations go. the graphics engine is completely reworked and far more powerful. 06:01 < wctaiwan> well, it won'd be a "rev A" product. 06:01 < wctaiwan> the troubles are with new designs from apple and such, not from intel chip upgrades. 06:04 -!- Bronze [~Mark@unaffiliated/bronze] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:07 -!- mIRC [~irc.ircit@net-93-144-232-150.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:07 -!- mIRC [~irc.ircit@net-93-144-232-150.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Client Quit] 06:08 -!- YE is now known as YE|AFK 06:12 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:13 < mareklug> wctaiwan I jsut downloaded Text Wrangler on your beckon. I like it! 06:13 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has quit [Quit: Bye everyone] 06:13 < wctaiwan> it's very good. 06:13 < wctaiwan> doesn't feel like BBEdit trial at all 06:14 < mareklug> i like the direct manipulations to/from sftp/ftp servers 06:14 < wctaiwan> I feel a bit bad for the barebones folks--one of the reasons I'm not buying BBEdit is because TextWrangler does everything I want perfectly well. 06:14 < mareklug> coupled with iCloud's Back to My Mac, that's cloud computing across the interwebs :) :) :) 06:15 < wctaiwan> and the couple of times I've emailed them about issues with textwrangler they've responded within a day. 06:15 < mareklug> they have alwasy been very competent 06:16 -!- Guest29367 [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:22 < wctaiwan> heading home 06:22 -!- wctaiwan [8c701e84@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [] 06:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> obama to take away our gums 06:26 < mareklug> oh no. some of us only have gums left. 06:27 < QueenOfFrance> /wg 56 06:29 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:31 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@nat/ibm/x-oqnlxokcgknlthra] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:31 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@nat/ibm/x-oqnlxokcgknlthra] has quit [Changing host] 06:31 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:31 < mareklug> Good Morning Trondheim!!!!!!! 06:32 < Jetro> GOOD MORROW USA 06:32 < mareklug> where is my smoked Norwegian fish????? 06:32 < Jetro> ..it's not morning here 06:32 < Jetro> it's coming to you shortly 06:32 < Jetro> :] 06:32 < mareklug> morning is a frame of mind 06:32 < Jetro> don't you mean a state of mind? 06:33 < mareklug> frame works for me 06:33 < Jetro> Taco-flavoured kiiises 06:33 < Jetro> taco taco 06:33 < mareklug> Jetro http://www.thefreedictionary.com/frame+of+mind 06:34 < Jetro> sure 06:34 < Jetro> it also says state of mind there 06:34 < Jetro> in green 06:34 < Jetro> meaning whut? 06:34 < Jetro> and the blue ones are what 06:34 < Jetro> OH 06:34 < Jetro> I can't read 06:34 < Jetro> :D 06:34 < Jetro> cool 06:34 < Jetro> So I didn't know that frame thing existed 06:34 < mareklug> it goes on to feature ever more discerning and precise different definitions 06:35 < Jetro> don't make my head pop now 06:37 -!- Vito [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:37 < mareklug> Jetro here is a nice song for you, Dead Kennedys, "Kill the Poor" ….it's energetic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I 06:38 < Jetro> But I don't want to kill the poor 06:38 < Jetro> :C 06:38 < Jetro> you maniac 06:38 < mareklug> neither do the DKs 06:38 < mareklug> it's called irony 06:38 < Jetro> yes they do 06:38 < Jetro> now go wash up 06:38 -!- Guest29367 [~IShadowed@66.59.113.130] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:39 -!- Guest29367 is now known as IShadowed_ 06:39 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@66.59.113.130] has quit [Changing host] 06:39 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:39 -!- basile is now known as guillom 06:40 -!- Wiki13_ [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:41 < mareklug> Jetro in full, this is a great album. very uplifting. Dead Kennedys - 1980 - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables Full Album http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=sZzWcOYxCNQ 06:41 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:42 -!- Wiki13 [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has quit [Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 06:42 -!- Wiki13_ is now known as wiki13 06:42 < Jetro> Sorry I like to listen to music from this side of the millenium 06:42 < Jetro> :D 06:42 < mareklug> Jetro no Grieg for you? 06:43 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edvard%20Grieg 06:44 < mareklug> Dead Kennedys is some of the best music ever, especially this debut album of theirs. 06:44 < Jetro> No, Muse is some of the best music ever 06:45 < Jetro> You can't say stuff like that ;) 06:45 < mareklug> I would not be able to tell Mue from Oasis from Coldplay from Radiohead from REM. It's all douchebag music. 06:45 < Jetro> I'm using ;) to be extra condescending 06:45 < mareklug> Muse * 06:45 -!- wiki13 is now known as Wiki14 06:45 < Jetro> tsk tsk 06:45 < Jetro> Typical noob argument 06:45 < Jetro> I can't tell Beethoven from Mozart, but they sure are different 06:45 -!- Wiki14 is now known as Wiki13 06:45 < mareklug> noob???????? I was listening to DKs before you were a zygote. 06:46 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sygote 06:46 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/zygote erm 06:46 < Jetro> noooooooob 06:47 < mareklug> you really should learn to use English words approximately for what they are listed in dictionaries and what the general population assigned meanigs to them for, else you will have difficulties socializing and getting your pizza order filled. 06:49 < Jetro> mareklug go home you're drunk 06:49 < mareklug> there is no mistaking Dead Kennedys for anyone. Or The Smiths. Or Peter Gabriel. Or Brian Eno. Or Roxy Music. Or David Bowie. Stuff like that. 06:49 < Jetro> and if you're home; go to bed 06:49 < Jetro> :D 06:49 < Jetro> The Smiths are cool 06:49 < Jetro> But they sound like Peter Gabriel, which sounds like Brian Eno, who sounds like Roxy, like Roxette, like David Bowie 06:50 < mareklug> well if you grok The Smiths, how can you say they are not hand over fist better than the douchebags. 06:50 -!- nns_neso[ [~nns_neso@111.6.111.16] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> DKs? Donkey Kongs? 06:51 -!- dirkfranke [~chatzilla@p54AF482B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:51 < mareklug> I think an elephant stepped on your ear, if you say Morrissey sounds lilke Peter Gabriel who in turn sounds like Brian Eno. These are different timbres and ranges. 06:51 < mareklug> Dead Kennedys 06:51 < Jetro> Right back at ya 06:51 < Jetro> :D 06:51 < Jetro> For mistaking REM with Coldplay wtf 06:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jetro http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070909090650AAQM4Bl 06:52 < mareklug> oasis coldplay muse definitely. REM are from Georgia, so there is the accent thing 06:52 < Jetro> ToAruShiroiNeko: I actually know the differences 06:52 < Jetro> or the different works, rather 06:52 < Jetro> but anyway 06:52 < Jetro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNDvrYstFtE 06:52 -!- DullBoyJackie [~DullBoyJa@unaffiliated/dullboyjackie] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Bethoven and Mozart have similarities too 06:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I prefer Rachmaninov 06:53 < Jetro> They both produced soundwaves 06:53 < mareklug> early Bethoven and late Mozart was the same shit 06:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no they wrote compositions, other people preformed 06:53 < DullBoyJackie> Guys, since when are YouTube shows "reliable sources of information"? 06:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> bethoven was deaf by his later years which is why he couldnt copy mozart :p 06:54 < Jetro> Always 06:54 < mareklug> DullBoyJackie since there are official channels by official people, like kimbramusic 06:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> DullBoyJackie always especially when it doesnt :p 06:54 < DullBoyJackie> I mean, there are some morons who constantly tell me that "Top 10 Whatever" videos can be considered sources of information X_X 06:54 < DullBoyJackie> I mean, this is wikipedia, an encyclopedia, not some cheap tabloid 06:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a cheap tabloid for popes 06:56 < DullBoyJackie> My argument is, if we can afford to use such videos as sources of information, why not extend it to, let's say, using pop-science articles in hardcore stuff? 06:57 < mareklug> DullBoyJackie you would not be tjhe MadPig/cheeseduck fucker, would you, sonny? 06:57 < DullBoyJackie> mareklug: what? 06:57 < mareklug> or jakr? 06:57 < DullBoyJackie> mareklug: no, I don't have an account on en 06:58 < mareklug> but do you come here and troll under these exotic nicks? 06:58 < DullBoyJackie> mareklug: what? How am I trolling you? 06:58 < DullBoyJackie> The fuck is wrong with you people? How the fuck are "Top 10" videos reliable source of information!? 06:58 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP%3ARS will answer all your questions concerning souces. rest is trolling. 06:59 < DullBoyJackie> I had this exact same issue with my language's wiki. 06:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Wikipedia:ARS? 06:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Oh! %3A 07:00 < russavia> mareklug -- noice -- http://russianplanes.net/id105451 07:00 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-228-66.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:00 < TBloemink> WHAT'S THAT 07:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TBloemink it is a fly-o-matic 07:01 < russavia> what's what tbloemink? 07:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TBloemink might I pm you? 07:02 < mareklug> 01. Kill The Poor 00:00 / 02. Forward To Death 03:04 / 03. When Ya Get Drafted 04:26 / 04. Let's Lynch The Landlord 05:48 / 05. Drug Me 07:59 / 06. Your Emotions 09:53 / 07. Chemical Warfare 11:13 / 08. California Ueber Alles 14:07 / 09. I Kill Children 17:08 / 10. Stealing Peoples Mail 19:10 / 11. Funland At The Beach 20:43 / 12. Ill In The Head 22:31 / 13. Holiday In Cambodia 25:15 / 14. Viva Las Vegas 29:47 <-- aren't those grat 07:02 < mareklug> titles? and the songs are so …inspirational and danceable. 07:02 < DullBoyJackie> Even now a fucker is using Wikipedia as a source for links on the romanian wiki. I told the guys in charge of what was happening, but they did nothing, despite having people agree with me. 07:03 < mareklug> russavia Laos can into modern aviation 07:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> top 10 lists of issues this channel cant solve 07:03 < TBloemink> ToAruShiroiNeko, sure 07:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Lao should rename itself to Lua 07:03 < DullBoyJackie> ToAruShiroiNeko: guess I'm just venting... 07:03 < TBloemink> Knock yourself out 07:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its ok 07:04 < DullBoyJackie> Whatever... 07:04 -!- DullBoyJackie [~DullBoyJa@unaffiliated/dullboyjackie] has quit [Quit: DullBoyJackie] 07:06 < russavia> will get this in higher res-- http://www.airliners.net/photo/Singapore-Airlines/Airbus-A380-841/1885997/L/ -- definite FPi think 07:07 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:08 < mareklug> russavia is that IN Singapore? 07:09 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:09 -!- nns_neso[ [~nns_neso@111.6.111.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:09 < mareklug> looks like Zurich to me 07:10 -!- IH|away is now known as Ironholds 07:11 < russavia> yeah it is 07:11 < russavia> http://www.airliners.net/photo/Singapore-Airlines/Airbus-A380-841/1892196/ that's his other shot 07:12 < mareklug> it's funny how people think of Switzerland as this incredibly high mountainous country, but when it comes to Zurich it's hills 07:12 < russavia> the former is in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A380#Entry_into_service 07:13 < russavia> i have the same view of kazakhstan-- people think of it being all steps-- then you look at alma ata and it's all mountains 07:13 < russavia> *steppes 07:14 < mareklug> Jetro 1304 likes to 5 dislikes, with 138,188 views. I challenge you to find such uniform acclaim fro any of your douchebags. DKs are widely admired for a reason. 07:14 < mareklug> mountains and apple trees! 07:15 < Jetro> Any 15yo girl saying Bieber is the best singer-songwriter ever, is just as right as you are claiming whoever is the best 07:15 < Jetro> :) 07:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 15yo girls exist? 07:15 < Jetro> get around that and peace out 07:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I thought they all aged to 16 since last year. 07:15 < Jetro> Oh yeah, maybe 07:15 < mareklug> jetro that is a facile argument, and jejune at that. And jaded. So you don't think your faculties of taste are any better than that of any 15yearold girl? 07:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I dont think they taste 15 year old girls 07:16 < mareklug> faculties do. 07:16 -!- TParis [~TParis@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:16 < mareklug> that is why people lose jobs all the time in schools 07:19 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:19 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-204-58-89.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:19 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-204-58-89.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:19 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:20 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:21 -!- kondi [~konarak@wikimedia/kondicherry] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:21 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug dont lick children is a simple rule to follow I think 07:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> when in doubt, lick an ice cream 07:24 -!- dirkfranke [~chatzilla@p54AF482B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 07:26 < russavia> welcome aboard Badr Airlines' new "Camel Class"- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Camels_in_a_Badr_Airlines_Ilyushin_Il-76.jpeg 07:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia its saudi special forces 07:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> camel brigade 07:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> clearly they are special 07:28 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@2.120.81.242] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:28 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@2.120.81.242] has quit [Changing host] 07:28 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:28 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:29 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:31 -!- SudoGhost [~SudoGhost@75-131-209-62.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:31 -!- SudoGhost [~SudoGhost@75-131-209-62.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 07:31 -!- SudoGhost [~SudoGhost@wikipedia/SudoGhost] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:32 < SudoGhost> Quick question just to cover my bases here. Was this edit I made inappropriate? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sexyservers&diff=553960963&oldid=553960905 07:33 < wctaiwan> clearly appropriate. 07:33 < SudoGhost> The content I removed from their user page seemed very inappropriate, but like I said, I just want to cover my bases. 07:33 < wctaiwan> that's just spam. 07:33 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:33 -!- IShadowed_ is now known as IShadowed 07:34 < wctaiwan> SudoGhost: consider taking that to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:UAA ? 07:34 < TheDruId> and poor grammar to boot. 07:35 < SudoGhost> Well, it's often the case that...topless massages from Alabama...don't come from the most eloquent people. 07:35 < SudoGhost> I can imagine. 07:36 < russavia> an alabama massage --interesting- a full 4 hand massage for the price of 2 07:39 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:40 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:41 -!- SoapX [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:42 < mareklug> "We also topless." We also verbless. 07:42 < SudoGhost> Fire bad. Topless good. We topless. 07:43 < russavia> mareklug -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sudanese_Air_Force_Hongdu_JL-8.jpeg -- would this in my topic ban area? given that the JL-8 was originally built with ukrainian engines 07:44 < mareklug> the engines are probably still east european 07:44 < SoapX> seriously? 07:44 < wctaiwan> aren't you still blocked? 07:44 < mareklug> it's due to come undblocked in days 07:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah, SoapX east european engines exist 07:45 < russavia> The JL-8, for the Chinese domestic market, was originally powered by the Ukrainian Ivchenko-Progress AI-25TLK turbofan jet engine with 16.9 KN of thrust, but this has been replaced by the WS-11, the Chinese-manufactured copy of the AI-25TLK. 07:46 < closedmouth> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ASexyservers thanks twinkle 07:46 < russavia> Export variants (K-8P, K-8E) use the lower powered Honeywell TFE731-2A-2A modular turbofan, which has digital electronic engine control (DEEC) with 15.6 KN thrust, provided the US government approves sale of the engine to the customer. -- i don't think they would allow honeywell engines to go to sudan 07:47 < mareklug> Honeywell makes engines/ In USA? First I hear 07:48 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@2.120.90.113] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:48 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@2.120.90.113] has quit [Changing host] 07:48 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:48 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:48 -!- JohnLewis_ is now known as JohnLewis 07:49 < TheDruId> Wow. Unabashed promotion without redemption. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sexyservers 07:49 < SoapX> marek you here? 07:52 < SoapX> i found out who's running iTalk's network 07:52 < mareklug> tell us 07:53 < SoapX> Im almost sure I knew this at one point, maybe the first time you were tlaking about them before, and forgot 07:54 < SoapX> http://www.clearwire.net/coverage 07:54 < SoapX> i recognize the logo 07:54 < SoapX> the iTalk people probably just showed you the coverage map on Clearwire's site 07:54 < SoapX> I havent been able to get a map from Clearwire itself but presumably it's there somewhere 07:54 < SoapX> and Clearwire runs through Sprint 07:54 < mareklug> clearwire is a WiMax company, and they sell their bandwidth to lots of people. They also operate things themselves 07:57 -!- Algimantas [~aLG@78.63.220.141] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:57 -!- Algimantas [~aLG@78.63.220.141] has left #wikipedia-en [] 08:00 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 08:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia do honeywell engines run on honey? 08:02 < mareklug> they run on honey rather well 08:03 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F 08:03 < TheDruId> Better than Faster-Than-Light engines, which will run on rainbows and barking puppies. 08:04 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:04 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:04 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:04 < SoapX> yeah it looks like Clearwire doesnt have a publicly accessible coverage map either 08:04 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:04 < SoapX> but i put in an address about 20 miles outside of Boston and it said it was outside the network 08:04 < SoapX> so 08:04 < SoapX> iTalk will probably be the same 08:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX uTalk/? 08:06 < SoapX> a companyu that marek found 08:06 < SoapX> thats offering data-only cellular access on iPods 08:06 < SoapX> through Clearwire 08:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sounds weird 08:06 < IRWolfie-> This global rename stuff sounds like it's going to be a major headache 08:07 -!- hexmode [~hexmode-f@wikimedia/MarkAHershberger] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- for? 08:07 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:07 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@176.254.217.56] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:07 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@176.254.217.56] has quit [Changing host] 08:07 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:07 -!- hexmode [~hexmode-f@wikimedia/MarkAHershberger] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:07 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:07 -!- JohnLewis_ is now known as JohnLewis 08:07 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Single_User_Login_finalisation_announcement 08:08 < wctaiwan> IRWolfie-: my main concern was that you wouldn't be able to login using your old name; but it looks like you would 08:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- so I will conflict then 08:08 < wctaiwan> beyond that most things should be okay… aside from, say, signature links to userpages. 08:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I have accounts beloning to be that are still waiting to be merged into my current account 08:09 < IRWolfie-> wctaiwan: I wonder how many nicks aren't unique 08:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- quite a lot 08:09 < IRWolfie-> and if there is going to be a massive wave of people seeking renames 08:09 < wctaiwan> right 08:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- I doubt that 08:09 < IRWolfie-> noone wants to be John~en 08:09 < IRWolfie-> or whatever 08:09 < wctaiwan> I think it might be easier just to get it over with, though. 08:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Francis~en 08:10 < IRWolfie-> wctaiwan: in some ways 08:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan a little 7 years too late 08:10 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> this was a simple problem for 2005 08:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> now it isnt simple 08:10 < SoapX> 99% of us are going to be lucky enough to not have to worry about losing our username 08:10 < SoapX> it's just the "little guys" who are in trouble 08:10 < mareklug> just resolve everyone by their government ID number 08:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug bad idea 08:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I heard government IDs are different for everyone. 08:11 < mareklug> you can prefix them with ISO country codes 08:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ISO doesnt have a code for every country 08:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> We still need an ISO code for octavia 08:12 < wctaiwan> actually, a good idea might be to have a bot go through renamed users and set up redirects from their previous user / talk pages 08:13 < wctaiwan> …or maybe that'll be done automatically with the move. idk. 08:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> convenience? efficiency? we can have none of that! 08:14 < SoapX> i dont think it will 08:15 < IRWolfie-> I wouldn't think so 08:15 < IRWolfie-> unnecessary anyway unless you type the URL for a nick directly 08:16 < wctaiwan> I'm thinking more of links from signatures 08:17 < IRWolfie-> I would think they would be updated 08:17 < IRWolfie-> aren't they changed when people do global renames? 08:18 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:18 < wctaiwan> dunno. But they're just regular wikitext. 08:18 -!- Alan-Lorenzo [~abor@wikimedia/alan-lorenzo] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:18 < Alan-Lorenzo> hi all 08:18 < TheDruId> Do my parents get to choose the renaming? 08:18 < wctaiwan> You'll need a bot to go through all Talk and project space pages and change everything 08:19 < TheDruId> I wasn't completely happy about their first choice. 08:19 < SoapX> yeah 08:19 < SoapX> again though 99% of us are fine 08:20 < SoapX> youre just worried about Joe Average who didnt realize there's already a Joe Average on the Malagasy Wiktionary or something, right? 08:20 < SoapX> because that's the only people who're going to be affected 08:21 < TheDruId> And the trolls and spammers. 08:21 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 08:22 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@176.254.54.178] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:22 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@176.254.54.178] has quit [Changing host] 08:22 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:22 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:22 -!- JohnLewis_ is now known as Johnlewis 08:22 -!- Johnlewis is now known as JohnLewis 08:24 < SoapX> hi JohnLewis 08:27 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:28 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@90.203.241.195] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:28 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@90.203.241.195] has quit [Changing host] 08:28 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:28 < a930913> Does anybody object to me substing all {{@}}s and reusing the template for {{replyto}}? :p 08:28 < SoapX> how many is it 08:29 -!- TBloemink is now known as TB|VOER 08:29 < SoapX> <500, sure 08:29 < SoapX> >500, get a bot to do it 08:29 -!- Doug_Weller [~Doug_Well@wikipedia/Dougweller] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:29 < a930913> It might be over 9000. 08:30 < SoapX> i assume youre just expressing your meme rather than giving a true result of a calculation 08:30 < SoapX> but still 08:30 < SoapX> if 100% uncontroversial edits get people into trouble when there's that many of them, something like this would be worse 08:30 < SoapX> unless you have a bot ready to go already 08:31 < a930913> The bot is not the hard part. 08:31 < a930913> The community is. 08:34 < a930913> Used about 2k times. 08:34 -!- Doug_Weller [~Doug_Well@cpc4-mfld14-2-0-cust91.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:34 -!- Doug_Weller [~Doug_Well@cpc4-mfld14-2-0-cust91.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 08:34 -!- Doug_Weller [~Doug_Well@wikipedia/Dougweller] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:35 < SoapX> i hgate when people tpye "Ip address" 08:35 < SoapX> theyre obviously using some kind of autocorrect 08:35 < SoapX> and it thinks Ip is just a normal word 08:35 < closedmouth> ip man 08:35 < a930913> Ip ma? 08:35 < a930913> man* 08:35 < a930913> closedmouth: Lol. 08:36 < SoapX> eg this website: "Ip address lookup? What is my ip address? Ip address locator?" 08:36 < SoapX> whoever designed the site was too lazy to even capitalize "IP" 08:36 < SoapX> his word processor must have done it 08:36 < a930913> It's just a hip word? 08:36 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:37 < a930913> Can we extend the SWAT team to take care of these people too? 08:37 < a930913> :p 08:38 < a930913> "Special Wikipedia Admin Team" for those of you who missed the conversation last night. 08:38 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Heligoland] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:39 < QueenOfFrance> a930913: ah I thought it was something on the lines of when Call of Duty players called the SWAT at their opponent's house 08:39 < QueenOfFrance> to get them to drop out of some stupid tournament 08:39 < a930913> :p 08:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> QueenOfFrance its formation of an armed special team of wikipedia admins 08:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they will be armed with gums 08:42 < QueenOfFrance> gums? 08:42 < QueenOfFrance> ewww 08:42 < mareklug> cheesies adn gums 08:42 < mareklug> and 08:45 < SoapX> and popsicles? 08:45 < SoapX> i want popsicles 08:46 < a930913> Any idea why I'm now not getting any errors trying to access wikipedia, as opposed to last night? 08:46 < TheDruId> Karma? 08:48 < a930913> If a template changes, even an archive that contains it should be updated? 08:48 -!- dungodung|away is now known as dungodung 08:50 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:50 -!- Doug_Weller [~Doug_Well@wikipedia/Dougweller] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130430204233]] 08:56 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 08:56 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:57 -!- lukas|away is now known as lukas23 09:00 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko you like poetry? 09:00 < Bradford> o__O 09:01 < mareklug> Bradford I know YOU do. 09:02 * TheDruId isn't really a fan of poetry, except perhaps [[Shel Silverstein]] 09:03 < mareklug> aw. I am no Shel. I wanted to smuggle in some self-promo… I was vainly googling myself and came across a forgoten pome. 09:03 < mareklug> pomme d' marek 09:03 < SudoGhost> My real name is *way* too common to Google myself. 09:03 < mareklug> you can always make it more precise with modifiers 09:04 < SudoGhost> I'm not even the only person with my name in my small town. 09:04 < SudoGhost> In fact, one of them was born the same year as me, and went to the same school. Same middle name too. 09:05 < SoapX> cool 09:06 < SoapX> so you can commit crimes and say it was the other guy 09:06 < SoapX> there's about 5 people in the USA with my name, I think 09:06 < SudoGhost> Well in school I was called up to the office quite a few times for something the other one did. 09:06 < SoapX> no anonymity at all 09:06 < SoapX> heh 09:06 < SoapX> I had a friend like that 09:06 < SoapX> Kevin Lewis 09:06 < SoapX> he was white, the other Kevin Lewis was black 09:07 < SoapX> once the school got so far as to call in his mother saying "we need to speak to you about your son" 09:07 < SoapX> she showed up and said "ummmm that's not my son!" 09:07 < SudoGhost> In 6th grade I lived in Tallahassee, and someone with my name died. I was sick the next day, and got quite a reaction when I returned. 09:07 < mareklug> SoapX but I actually had a Marek Lugowski call me, and he was in Chicago or in the suburbs, and the conversation was as annoying as it was idiotic. 09:08 < SoapX> soulmates 09:08 < mareklug> another time I found a mention of Marek Lugowski somewhere in Pennsylvania who battered his wife; it was sort of a police blotter sort of a news column. 09:09 < mareklug> and of course, there was a professional football player in Poland who represented the country once or twice, also a Marek Lugowski 09:09 < mareklug> so I take pains to employ my middle name. 09:09 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:10 < mareklug> meanwhile, just this morning, a person pmed me, quite drunked (he said), and wanted to know if I was Volunteer Marek 09:10 < SoapX> theres a guy in my town whos a sex offender and has the same name as someone I knew 09:10 < SoapX> I was scared for a minute 09:10 < mareklug> as his nich was prefixed with larry, I asked him if he was Larry Bird. 09:11 < SoapX> you were not amused 09:11 < SudoGhost> If software specifically uses lowercase, and the article has the {{lowercase title}} template, do you capitalize the word when it starts a sentence? 09:12 < SoapX> eh 09:12 < SoapX> is it one of those i- somethings 09:12 < SoapX> or e-somethings 09:12 < SoapX> if so then no, never capitalize ever 09:12 < JohnLewis> SoapX: A department store chain has my name :) 09:12 < SudoGhost> No, it's calibre 09:12 < TheDruId> My father had some woman call him and tell him she was pregnant; my parents ran into his boss a year later when shopping for an RV. 09:12 < mareklug> calibre? as in guns? 09:12 < SoapX> even in all-caps iPhone often remains with a lowercase i, which looks really silly, but apptly Apple likes it 09:13 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@208.87.217.46] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:13 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@208.87.217.46] has quit [Changing host] 09:13 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:13 < SudoGhost> mareklug: No, it's ebook management software 09:13 < SoapX> http://www.johnlewis.com/ <----0--- looks British, thats prob' why ive never heard of them 09:13 -!- Alan-Lorenzo [~abor@wikimedia/alan-lorenzo] has left #wikipedia-en [] 09:13 < JohnLewis> SoapX: It is British. 09:13 < SudoGhost> mareklug: [[calibre (software)]] 09:14 < SoapX> Im gonna say capitalize it 09:14 < SoapX> Im going to try to find something on their own site though 09:14 < mareklug> SudoGhost they take pains not to http://calibre-ebook.com/about#history 09:15 < SoapX> d'oh 09:15 < SoapX> they lowercase it even at the beginning of a sentence 09:15 < SoapX> so we probably should too 09:15 < SoapX> Try watching the Grand Tour introductory video for pointers on how to accomplish various tasks with calibre. calibre has comprehensive documentation in its User Manual. In addition, video tutorials are available here. 09:15 < SoapX> and in marek's link too 09:15 < SudoGhost> SoapX: That's what I thought, so I changed it back, but it does look a bit odd. 09:16 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@176.254.240.20] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:16 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@176.254.240.20] has quit [Changing host] 09:16 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:16 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:16 < SudoGhost> o_O 09:16 < SoapX> it was called "libprs500" for the first 2 years of its existence 09:16 -!- JohnLewis_ is now known as JohnLewis 09:17 < TheDruId> Odd that the physchiatric diagnoses of over-capitalisation and undercapitialisation for companies are the same as attention-seeking individuals 09:17 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@host86-143-79-42.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18 < SoapX> Apple has an excuse 09:18 < SoapX> they started the trend 09:18 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@2.120.88.170] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:18 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@2.120.88.170] has quit [Changing host] 09:18 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:18 < SoapX> the rest of the companies, though, theyre just attention seekers 09:19 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:19 -!- JohnLewis_ is now known as JohnLewis 09:19 < SoapX> oh hey I bet calibre is a pun 09:19 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:19 < SoapX> libre means book in some language, I think French 09:19 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179047067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:19 < SoapX> wait no, it means free 09:19 < SoapX> in French and SPanish. But not book 09:20 < jubo2> SoapX: fr."le livre" == en."the book" 09:20 < SoapX> yeah. close but no cigar 09:20 < SoapX> libre is book in Occitan, but that's a lot less likely to be the source of the name 09:20 < SudoGhost> In latin it's liber, which is close. 09:20 < SoapX> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/libre#Occitan 09:21 < SoapX> yeah 09:21 < SoapX> i wonder if they wanted caliber but it was taken 09:21 < SoapX> or maybe the name just doesnt have any hidden meanings 09:22 < SudoGhost> "The name calibre was chosen by my wife, Krittika. The libre in calibre stands for freedom, indicating that calibre is a free and open source product, modifiable by all. Nonetheless, calibre should be pronounced as cali-ber, not ca-libre. " 09:22 < SudoGhost> So apparently it's the same logic as LibreOffice. 09:22 < mareklug> that is an unusual name. The wife's, that is. He should have named it after her. 09:23 -!- Captain-n00dle [~Cptn-n00d@wikipedia/Captain-n00dle] has quit [Quit: Cheerio!] 09:23 < SudoGhost> mareklug: That works well until you're divorced. 09:23 < mareklug> you still have to pay her alimony, so it works fine. 09:23 < SudoGhost> Like with [[deb (file format)]] 09:24 < mareklug> isn't Debain also named after a Debbie? As opposed to the star? 09:24 < mareklug> Debian linux 09:24 < wctaiwan> SudoGhost: LibreOffice is one of the worst names ever 09:24 < wctaiwan> never sure how you're supposed to pronounce it. 09:25 < wctaiwan> mareklug: correct. creator's girlfriend at the time, I think. 09:25 < mareklug> lee-breh 09:25 < TheDruId> At least it isn't the oxymoronic 'Microsoft Works' 09:26 < wctaiwan> heh. 09:26 < SudoGhost> Military intelligence. 09:26 < wctaiwan> AppleWorks too. :p 09:26 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Quit: kaldari] 09:26 < mareklug> well, Apple's iWorks is kinda 16 pounds and what do ya get 09:26 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:26 < SudoGhost> We used to joke about that military intelligence being an oxymoron, along with Microsoft Works. 09:28 < SoapX> there's a "star" named Deb? 09:28 < SoapX> al-Debaran you mean? 09:28 < SoapX> Krittika is quite a name yeah 09:28 < TheDruId> What do we do with IRC self threats, like in -help? Xe otherwise seems to be joking. 09:28 < SoapX> what were her parents thinking 09:29 < SoapX> oh wait it;s probbaly Indian 09:29 < SoapX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krittika 09:29 -!- Freudian|Sleep [~chatzilla@wikipedia/LuciferTiger] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:29 < SoapX> it means cutter in Sanskrit 09:29 -!- Ks0stm_ [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:29 < SoapX> still not really a name Id want to give a sweet little girl 09:29 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:30 < SoapX> then again we have girls named after guns and swords in English 09:30 < SoapX> Hilda means sword, I htink 09:30 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:30 -!- Bendersgame [~chatzilla@wikipedia/LuciferTiger] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:30 -!- Freudian|Sleep is now known as Bendersgame 09:30 -!- Ks0stm_ is now known as Ks0stm 09:31 < SudoGhost> Bowie, and Macy are both common names, they don't have kind meanings. 09:32 < SoapX> well wiktionary says Macy is just a city in France, were you thinking of [[mace (weapon)}] ? 09:32 < SoapX> Bowie is just a name too 09:33 < legoktm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Cleveland,_Ohio_missing_trio wtf this is an article? 09:33 < SoapX> even though it means a knife 09:34 -!- Guest34328 is now known as Mike_HH 09:35 < mareklug> legoktm the wikinewsification of wikipedia. just like all the articles about the girls who killed themselves cuz of bullying. 09:35 < legoktm> i dont even understand the article title 09:36 < mareklug> legoktm might as well add the title to the lead to make it MOS-compliant and suffer it. 09:36 < mareklug> basically three women disappeared in Cleveland long time ago, like years ago. They were found few days ago. 09:36 < wctaiwan> you're not alone about the title. 09:36 < wctaiwan> I think it _might_ be notable in the long term though 09:37 * wctaiwan wonders if there's a wikipedia page for prenda law 09:37 < wctaiwan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenda_Law yup :D 09:37 < TheDruId> wctaiwan, WHAAOE 09:38 < wctaiwan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheDruId is a red link ;-) 09:41 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:42 < SudoGhost> SoapX: Macy is a name, means "weapon" 09:42 -!- sdamashek|away is now known as sdamashek 09:43 < MJ94> legoktm: SLEEP 09:44 < MJ94> mareklug: you too 09:44 < legoktm> ? 09:44 < MJ94> learn to sleep. 09:44 < legoktm> Its noon 09:44 < MJ94> :P 09:44 < MJ94> oh 09:44 < MJ94> same timezone 09:44 < MJ94> ok 09:44 < MJ94> legoktm: you're always on when I am. 09:44 < wctaiwan> doesn't mean he slept 09:44 < MJ94> that explains it 09:44 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:44 < MJ94> I go to bed at 2, mareklug and legoktm are here. I wake up and mareklug and legoktm are here 09:45 < legoktm> lol 09:45 < legoktm> wctaiwan: I slept for 8 hours 09:45 < wctaiwan> legoktm: good, now take your vitamins. 09:45 < wctaiwan> there's a good boy. 09:47 < a930913> legoktm: All seems to be working when I restarted this morning :/ 09:47 < legoktm> :D 09:47 < legoktm> wctaiwan: :> 09:47 < legoktm> i should probably get off IRC now 09:47 < legoktm> time to study 09:47 < legoktm> o/ 09:47 < wctaiwan> later. 09:47 < a930913> \o 09:47 < SoapX> bye lego 09:47 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:47 < SoapX> i dont think Macy means weapon 09:48 * a930913 maces SoapX. 09:48 < a930913> As in a proper mace, mot your American liquid. 09:48 < a930913> not* 09:48 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 09:49 < IDoH> Hey guys. 09:49 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:49 < IDoH> I see we're already violent today. 09:49 < a930913> Hey IDoH. 09:50 < IDoH> how are ya, a930913. 09:50 < SoapX> we were discussing girls' names 09:50 < IDoH> And THAT turned into you getting your face mauled, SoapX. ;-) 09:50 < SoapX> Deborah is 'bee' in Hebrew I think 09:51 * wctaiwan stings SoapX 09:51 < SoapX> Melissa is Greek for bee 09:51 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:51 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 09:51 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:51 < SoapX> so at least two girls' names common in English mean 'bee' 09:51 -!- tttb [~tom@host-78-149-40-170.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Fare thee well] 09:51 < SoapX> i wonder what the appeal is 09:51 < SoapX> because they make honey> 09:52 < mareklug> "I could write my name by the age of three / and I don't need anyone to cut my meat for me. / I'm a big girl now, see my big girl shoes. / It'll take more than just a breeze to make me / 09:52 < mareklug> Fall over, fall over, fall overboard, overboard. / Fall overboard just so you can catch me." <-- what a great lyric. Anyone know whose, without googling? :) 09:52 < wctaiwan> SoapX: is it possible for an IP not to be blocked but to be prevented from creating an account? 09:52 < SoapX> apparently Deborah is considered an old-fashoned named now 09:53 < SoapX> wctaiwan not normally 09:53 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:53 < wctaiwan> :s 09:53 < SoapX> really, not ever, unless some weird abuse filter is in use 09:53 < wctaiwan> guy in help says they can't create an account, but their IP doesn't seem to be blocked. 09:53 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:53 < wctaiwan> ah well, they left. 09:54 < SoapX> it's theoretically possible to make an abuse filtter that prevents account creation from a certain IP range, but I dont think we'd do something like that when we can just block 09:54 < JohnLewis> wctaiwan: Autoblocks? 09:54 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-228-66.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:54 < wctaiwan> JohnLewis: would that happen without a block? 09:54 < SoapX> he might be in a rangeblock and just not know it 09:54 < SoapX> what was the IP ? 09:54 < wctaiwan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/142.22.16.50 09:54 < JohnLewis> Rangeblock/Autoblocks is the only explanation. 09:55 < wctaiwan> so rangeblock doesn't show up in contribs? 09:55 < wctaiwan> ah, right 09:55 < wctaiwan> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&ip=142.22.16.50 09:55 < wctaiwan> the more you know, I guess. 09:55 < TheDruId> Would a MediaWiki global block cause problems? 09:56 < wctaiwan> well, it's a local block 09:56 < wctaiwan> I didn't realise rangeblocks wouldn't show up in contribs. 09:56 < SoapX> yeah it's blocked 09:56 < JohnLewis> It is a local local which uses the maximum range possible on Wikimedia. 09:56 < wctaiwan> a whole /16 though o_O 09:56 < a930913> IDoH: I'm great, BracketBot got approved :) 09:56 < SoapX> they wont get the block template until they actually try to edit 09:57 < IDoH> Ah, you make bots? 09:58 < wctaiwan> SoapX: so what should I do? I mean, they left, but how do we usually deal with situations like this 09:58 < SudoGhost> SoapX: http://books.google.com/books?id=HtvQi01tjeIC&pg=PT1266&lpg=PT1266&dq=Macy+french+weapon&source=bl&ots=AkddDUSxMg&sig=P_RFLrtpdIwc2ZffDJQE_rKE_9Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sDKJUczpMYL-9QSazoGYCg&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBA 09:59 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Quit: Bjarki] 09:59 < SoapX> there's nothing really to do 09:59 < JohnLewis> wctaiwan: Personally, I redirect them to the blocking admin. That is all really. 09:59 < SoapX> he's blocked and unless he comes back to ask for IP exemption he's going to stay blocked 09:59 < wctaiwan> you expect new editors to know that? :/ 10:00 < a930913> IDoH: I used to, but those were the dark days when it was nigh impossible to get a bot through. So this is my first approval :) 10:00 < IDoH> Cool! 10:00 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:00 < SoapX> that looks like a dynamic IP anyway, so if he comes back he might well be on a different IP 10:00 < wctaiwan> probably in the same range, though. 10:00 < a930913> IDoH: Want to become a talk page stalker? :p 10:00 < wctaiwan> it's a /16. 10:01 < IDoH> a930913: No, thanks. I keep my watch list to a minimum. 10:01 < SoapX> WP:ACC would be better 10:01 < JohnLewis> wctaiwan: It only blocks 65,536 IPs... 10:01 < TheDruId> a930913, Wow. I'd assumed that everyone might already /be/ a talk page stalker... 10:01 < SoapX> that will allow him to edit through the IP-block without needing IP-block exemption 10:02 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:02 < a930913> IDoH: Heh. You know you get notifications now? 10:02 < wctaiwan> JohnLewis: I don't call that only. I'm pretty sure even though I have a dynamic IP, it has a really long…whatever you call it, basically I keep the same IP for a long time, and generally stay within the same /16. 10:02 < SoapX> "lease" 10:02 < JohnLewis> SoapX: Redirecting to ACC hm, We can AGF it but usually with such large IP blocks we decline usually. 10:02 < wctaiwan> indeed, if people can subvert it by IP hopping it'd be ineffective 10:02 < wctaiwan> SoapX: right. 10:02 < IDoH> For changes to the pages I watch list, a930913? 10:03 < wctaiwan> JohnLewis: why, though? blocks are cheap, new editors aren't. 10:03 < a930913> IDoH: No, for mentions ;) 10:03 < IDoH> So if someone mentions me, a930913, I get notified? 10:03 < a930913> IDoH: Yup. 10:03 < wctaiwan> if they do it like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3ADru%20of%20Id, yes 10:03 < wctaiwan> if they just say your name, no 10:04 < wctaiwan> er, make that the square bracket thingy 10:04 < JohnLewis> wctaiwan: In such situations we ask for technical evidence and ask for a check to identify the target but with such large ranges most see it easier to decline. 10:04 < wctaiwan> stupid script 10:04 < IDoH> oh, okay, wctaiwan. 10:04 < wctaiwan> JohnLewis: alright, thanks for the information. Seems like a bad strategy, though :/ 10:04 < JohnLewis> wctaiwan: Howso? 10:04 < wctaiwan> you're keeping people out. 10:05 < wctaiwan> and indeed, this editor was able to find the help channel. Most can't even do that. Block messages don't tell them how to appeal a block or request IP exemption (or do they?) 10:05 < JohnLewis> Not always. Most of the time people bother to ask for technical evidence. However some of the time, jsut decline. 10:05 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:06 < JohnLewis> wctaiwan: If you see them again, direct them to WP:ACC and we'll deal with it and if need be, ask for a CU to assign IPBE to the account. 10:06 < wctaiwan> okay. 10:06 < wctaiwan> thanks. 10:06 < JohnLewis> wctaiwan: I might join -en-help actually... 10:08 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Quit: jorm] 10:08 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:09 -!- TB|AndroIRC [~androirc@213.211.159.149] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:10 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-204-58-89.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:10 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-204-58-89.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:10 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:11 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:11 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:11 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:13 -!- TB|AndroIRC [~androirc@213.211.159.149] has quit [Client Quit] 10:14 -!- TB|VOER is now known as TBloemink 10:17 -!- AndyBotwin [~RandyNewm@unaffiliated/andybotwin] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:17 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:19 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:24 -!- wrylee [~klaatuNAY@2001:4898:0:fff:0:5efe:a79:9cf8] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:25 -!- wrylee [~klaatuNAY@2001:4898:0:fff:0:5efe:a79:9cf8] has left #wikipedia-en [] 10:26 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [Quit: wctaiwan] 10:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug poetry? 10:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sometimes 10:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont write any 10:29 < Pharos> you should! 10:29 < mareklug> yes, one poem in this case 10:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I know I shouldn't. I also know Okido-sensei shouldn't either. 10:31 < TheDruId> Daffodils. Exterminate daffodils! (Dalek poetry) 10:31 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:32 < SoapX> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-2A2McqVNs 10:32 < SoapX> oh it's a Dr Who skit 10:33 < SoapX> I thought it was Star Trek 10:33 < SoapX> isnt there a Star Trek creature with a similar name? 10:33 < SoapX> guess not 10:34 < SoapX> Daleks have been around for 50 years, much longer than Star Trek 10:34 < Pharos> Klingons do poetry too 10:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> time is irrleevant 10:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Picard has been to the begining of time. 10:34 < Pharos> and Vogons of course 10:34 < SoapX> klingons are OK 10:35 < Pharos> it's a bit of an SF meme 10:35 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:35 < SoapX> i could live there 10:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Janeway fought Q with civil war era weapons 10:36 < SoapX> i think sci-fi creatures that are strong and look intimidating but aren't actually all out to get you are the most interesting 10:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> klingons shouldnt kling on anymore 10:36 < SoapX> it's like Earth 10:36 < SoapX> everyone knows bears could kill humans with no effort but we love bears more than anything 10:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Earth has no alien creatures 10:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> talk about yourself 10:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am terified of bears that sniff het fuel to get high 10:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> crazy russians 10:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> even their bears want to be wasted 10:39 < SoapX> elephants are cute 10:39 < Pharos> WALRUSes are cuter 10:39 < SoapX> yeah theyre alright 10:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Obama is out to get your gums 10:40 < Pharos> alert the dentists! 10:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NDA? 10:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> (National Dentist Association) 10:41 < SoapX> obama wants everything 10:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/07/tech/brain-memory-implants-humans/index.html?hpt=hp_c3 10:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> finally I can attach my phone to my head directly 10:41 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeko, Earth used to have alien creatures, but the Centaurs went home. 10:42 < SoapX> theres so much technology these days 10:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId cant you summon something to stomp on people that are annoying on en.wikipedia 10:42 < SoapX> i think i will only live about five more years before i break down in shock of whats going on 10:42 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeko, not until we hire trolls as anti-troll trolls. 10:43 < a930913> People who don't like blacks are racist, there exists guns that are black, there exists people that don't like guns, therefore, there exists people who are racist. :p 10:46 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:46 < Pharos> i'm pretty sure there's a latin term for that fallacy 10:47 < SoapX> basically he is saying Obama's racist 10:48 < TheDruId> The short version in Latin in "BS". 10:48 < a930913> Pharos: If I whipped out my AI logic notes, I'm sure I could find it for you :p 10:48 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:48 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:48 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48 < SudoGhost> Just sounds like a transitive fallacy to me. 10:49 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:49 < Pharos> there's probably a special term for getting a correct conclusion from false premises, though 10:50 < TheDruId> Serendipity or coincidence? 10:51 -!- muahaha is now known as muahaha|AFK 10:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a930913 people arent racist 10:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> racists are racists 10:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there fore racists arent people? 10:51 < Pharos> that's good logic 10:51 < Pharos> but you don't really need step 2 10:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> predicate logic requires it 10:52 < TheDruId> There's only one race, the human race; except for those who disagree. 10:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> actually there are 6 species of humans 10:52 < Pharos> what about Homo superior? 10:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Denisova hominin H. antecessor H. cepranensis H. floresiensis H. heidelbergensis H. rhodesiensis Red Deer Cave people 10:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> H. s. idaltu H. s. sapiens H. s. neanderthalensis 10:53 < TheDruId> http://www.answers.com/topic/homo-superior ? 10:53 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:54 < Qcoder00> Any admins about? 10:54 < Qcoder00> Got a contributor removng AFD tags... 10:54 < TheDruId> Deskana, he's back as John____ 10:54 < Pharos> TheDruId: yes, it's a common SF meme 10:54 < Qcoder00> This is after the article was PRODed ( which were also removed by the contributor) 10:54 < Deskana> TheDruId: I saw. 10:55 < Qcoder00> Anyone care to assist? 10:55 < Deskana> TheDruId: He can ramble away to himself. 10:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Homo-Stammbaum%2C_Version_Stringer.jpg 10:55 < Qcoder00> Anyone? 10:56 < Pharos> imho, the article should be named [[Denisovans]] 10:56 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:57 < a930913> Hmm, I need a bot to alert me on IRC if I get a notification. 10:57 < a930913> While I'm at it, does anybody object to me redirecting the RC feed into this channel? 10:58 < Ironholds> yes. And by object I mean 'I will hurt you'. 10:58 < Qcoder00> Afternoon Ironholds 10:58 * a930913 activates his defences. 10:58 < Ironholds> ahoy, Qcoder00 10:59 < a930913> Ironholds: How goes? 10:59 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:59 < Qcoder00> I assume removing AFD tags in attempt to avoid a disscussion isn't a done thing? 10:59 * TheDruId is a master of Tae Kwon Don't 10:59 < russavia> no qcoder00 -- you canvass amongst friends to vote at the afd insteas 10:59 < Ironholds> a930913: been better. 10:59 -!- bharris [~bharris@216.38.130.168] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:59 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: no. 11:00 < a930913> TheDruId: But would you beat me if I had an epee? ;) 11:00 < a930913> Ironholds: What's wrong? :( 11:00 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zakblade2000 - They contirbuted some non-notable API call stubs... 11:00 < russavia> mareklug -- do you think tajikistan would be in my topic ban area? 11:01 < TheDruId> a930913, I wouldn't beat anyone I wasn't trying to prevent committing a crime. 11:01 < Qcoder00> (on API calls) I PRODed them... They removed the PROD tag... So I took them to AFD , and then they AFD tags were removed... 11:01 < mareklug> tajikistan is central asia. unless there are Russians there who are in your editing space. 11:01 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:01 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:01 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:01 < Pharos> there are a few russians there i think 11:01 < a930913> TheDruId: But could you? :p 11:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a930913 just write a simple irc script :) 11:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> all you need to do is be in #en.wikipedia on irc.wikimedia.org 11:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you can make your computer play various themes from star wars 11:02 < a930913> ToAruShiroiNeko: I've already got the IRC bot part, I'm just considering how to get the new style notifications. 11:02 < TheDruId> a930913, I'd be capable of falling on someone, but can't catch them. 11:03 -!- bharris_ [~bharris@216.38.130.168] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:03 < Ironholds> a930913: thewhats? 11:03 < russavia> what's the bet i'd get banned for a year if i edited this tajik airport article 11:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if article (your talk page) is edited play jarjar.mp3 11:03 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qurghonteppa_International_Airport 11:03 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:03 < a930913> Ironholds: Whatwhats? 11:03 -!- bharris [~bharris@216.38.130.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03 < russavia> simply because it has flights to russia 11:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia tajiks have an airport? news to me 11:04 -!- Qcoder00_ [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia why not exclusively edit articles on north korea, they have nothing to do with russia 11:04 < a930913> ToAruShiroiNeko: But even mentions are now notifications. 11:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ? 11:04 < Ironholds> a930913: 'new style notifications' - echo? 11:04 < Ironholds> there's an API, although it needs some work 11:04 < russavia> of course they do toaru -- because they are stalinist 11:04 < a930913> Yeah. 11:04 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05 -!- Qcoder00_ is now known as Qcoder00 11:05 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> North korea isnt stalinist, they make stalin look reasonable - thats a feat no one else has achieved 11:05 < russavia> well that's something i am not allowed to make such a judgement call on toaru 11:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I'd go back in time kidnap him and drop him in an NRA meeting. 11:06 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-204-58-89.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:06 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-204-58-89.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:06 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:06 < russavia> because of <S>Cartman</s> Sandstein 11:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia right about obama and gum 11:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *write 11:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> anime! 11:06 < TheDruId> The product of a confused generation. 11:06 * ToAruShiroiNeko pictures russavia writing about each and every tentacle in anime history 11:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> The .protukt of a tortured brain 11:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> .produkt 11:07 * TheDruId imagines anime covered by polandball. 11:08 < Pharos> ToAruShiroiNeko: i don't think i agree with that 11:08 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:08 < Pharos> stalin had better material to work with 11:08 < Pharos> and he was saner 11:08 < russavia> would it be a topic ban violation for me to remove this photo of a tank and replace it with an actual photo of the road? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalalabad%E2%80%93Kabul_Road 11:08 < Pharos> so he is not more reasonable really 11:09 < a930913> ToAruShiroiNeko: I just realised what's needed. You know the watchlist secret token? We need that for notifications. 11:09 < Pharos> russavia: yes 11:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos stalin had a mustache 11:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I cannot take a dictator without a mustache seriously 11:11 < Pharos> fair point 11:11 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:11 < russavia> ok, so i will add afghanistan to my list of countries in Eastern Europe 11:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia just write about lasers 11:12 < russavia> i'm not writing about shit 11:12 < mareklug> TheDruId but imagine polandball covered with googley-eyed anime 11:13 < mareklug> russavia Afghanistan is only in Eastern Europe when Russians were there. 11:13 < TheDruId> That seems to be stretching Eastern Europe a bit. 11:13 < russavia> thedruid -- well one would have thought an israeli diplomatwould be doing that eh lol 11:13 < russavia> i'll simply ask sandstein about every edit i plan to do in future 11:17 < russavia> toaru, can i add photos to articles on various turkish airlines? 11:19 < russavia> just going the thousands of photos i've uploaded to see what can be used 11:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Afghanistan barely touches central asia 11:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Afghanistan is Afghanistan 11:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia sure, why ask me? 11:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not an authorith on planes 11:20 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe#Southeastern_Europe -- broadly construed, EE includes turkey 11:20 < mareklug> gazeta.pl alerted me to the fact that a new Google Earth is out. Indeed, 7.1. Let's see if they fixed the crash on the Mac, which invariably happens now when you type into the search box anything, and click on search. :) 11:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia no one belives Turkey is in Europe 11:20 < russavia> which puts me in a position of not being able to touch -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCseyin_Diri%C3%B6z 11:21 < russavia> well i would never have thought israel was in europe -- but there you go lol 11:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Israel is I think in North America 11:21 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko I believe a small but significant part of Turkey is indeed in Europe. Some of it is even in Bulgaria. :) 11:22 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeku, TheDruId believes Turkey is in Europe, thanks to Empires in Arms. 11:22 < russavia> no bulgaria removed kebab from europe 11:22 -!- darev [~darev@p54AA8B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:22 < russavia> well not bulgaria per se 11:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Team Bulgaria, world police 11:22 < TheDruId> B Team. 11:22 < darev> Hello! 11:23 < russavia> i definitely won't be able to touch the [[potato]] article :) 11:23 < TheDruId> darev, Hello. 11:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Team Bulgaria, World Police Inc. 11:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> [[potato]] is south american 11:23 < darev> hi, TheDruId 11:24 < Pharos> Israel is technically in Polynesia 11:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Israel is in Antarctica 11:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they have penguins living there 11:25 < TheDruId> Potato is a vegetable type of Quail. 11:25 < mareklug> Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread 11:25 < mareklug> Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS) 11:25 < mareklug> Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x00000000fefff000 11:25 < mareklug> hahahaha, incompetent fucker. 11:25 < mareklug> and tehy want to take over the world. 11:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> of course! 11:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they want all our apples! 11:25 < TheDruId> Apple of the Earth. 11:26 < mareklug> Google of the Incompetent Software Development 11:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GISD? 11:27 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:29 < mareklug> ironically, it crashes when you type into the search box exactly what they provide as guidance underneath it: Pizza near Clayville, NY 11:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Clayville, NY may not have aby Pizza left 11:31 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:31 -!- TAP|away is now known as thineantiquepen 11:35 < a930913> Does anybody else find these humble messages cute? :p http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:A930913&diff=next&oldid=553989957 11:36 < SoapX> yeah 11:36 < SoapX> i forgot BracketBot was yours 11:36 < SoapX> how's it doing these days? 11:37 < a930913> SoapX: With BracketBot? 11:37 < SoapX> yeah 11:37 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:37 < a930913> SoapX: It got approved, and is now causing a rampage. ##930913-ub 11:38 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:38 < SoapX> nice 11:38 < TheDruId> a930913, Warm fuzzy, like the first time my position was cited in an AfD. 11:39 < a930913> TheDruId: :p 11:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Should I take Tarc seriously? 11:41 < SoapX> hes a troll 11:41 < SoapX> he was one of the ones saying Wikipetan was an icon of pedophilia 11:41 < SoapX> then again half the site agrees with him on that 11:42 < SoapX> so I probably shouldnt bring it up 11:44 < mareklug> Qcoder00 you be proud of me! http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/earth/mac/P6NVKaiZ7Lc 11:44 < Qcoder00> LOL 11:45 < Qcoder00> The reason Google Earth might fall over is the sheer amount of imagery ti copes with ;) 11:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX a religious nut? 11:45 < BlastHardcheese> well we all know if you're a male and you've ever looked at a child you're a pedophile rapist 11:45 < SoapX> not that I know of 11:45 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:46 -!- D1000|Away is now known as Demiurge1000 11:46 < Jetro> what's funny about that 11:46 -!- Ironholds is now known as IH|away 11:47 < Qcoder00> SoapX: If people think Wikipedia has borderline stuff... Don't let them near commons 11:49 -!- bharris_ [~bharris@216.38.130.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:50 < mareklug> Qcoder00 there are lots of borderlines on Commons. I can think of all those country maps in SVG with borderlines all over them... 11:51 < Qcoder00> mareklug: True 11:51 < mareklug> "my arms get cold / in February air…." -- Lights 11:51 < Qcoder00> and those sort of borderlines can also be controversial 11:51 < Qcoder00> Was it again Google maps that nearly started a war/ 11:51 < Qcoder00> ? 11:51 < Qcoder00> Somwehere in South America? 11:52 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvKE5xAZttc 11:52 < Pharos> there was nearly a riot at wikiconfence india 11:52 < TheDruId> Like countries need an excuse. 11:52 < Pharos> over a commons map 11:52 < Pharos> they had to literally hide the guy who drew the map 11:53 < mareklug> SoapX ^^ that's crypto-Christian music 11:53 < TheDruId> Disputed territories should default to the party with the fewest soldiers there; in the absence of soldiers, people; in the absence of people, goats. 11:54 < mareklug> in absence of goats, penguins. 11:54 < TheDruId> That's cold. :D 11:55 < kondi> border, india what 11:55 < TheDruId> Dokdo islands, et al. 11:57 < kondi> Pharos: I remember, I've heard stories.. 11:57 < TheDruId> And I do favor adding "Oriental Sea" or "Blue Sea" as options to "Sea of Japan", but not the South Korean suggestion "East Sea" (it's east of /them/ and they call the other side "West Sea") 11:57 -!- legoktm [~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm] has left #wikipedia-en ["["goodbye."]"] 11:57 -!- legoktm [~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:57 < SoapX> give it to Korea 11:57 < kondi> Someone told me that rioters were at the airport to welcome the attendees 11:58 < SoapX> well at least India cares about Wikipedia 11:58 < SoapX> thats more than the other countries in the world can say 11:59 < kondi> Most of Indian college students survive on wikipedia 11:59 < kondi> poor people :\ 11:59 < TheDruId> Wikipedia is a "rising tide" that should help everyone, even if they never know. 12:00 < Pharos> i never heard of "Blue Sea" 12:00 < harej> A rising tide sinks all ships. 12:00 < Pharos> "oriental" is of course just a translation of "eastern" 12:00 < mareklug> harej http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_rising_tide_lifts_all_boats 12:00 < harej> I know what I said! 12:01 < Pharos> yes, he's a native english speaker 12:01 < Pharos> and therefore harej knows everything 12:01 < Pharos> kind of like me 12:02 < mareklug> but isn't harej a resident of greater D.C.area and a political science person? That would be double whopper, if you get my drift. 12:02 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-93-4-31.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:03 < Pharos> yes, he's being politically ironic 12:03 -!- guillom is now known as basile 12:03 < TheDruId> http://www.despair.com/irony.html 12:04 < TheDruId> As opposed to Ghostbusters themed http://www.despair.com/destructor.html 12:04 < Pharos> technically, harej shares my native tongue of brooklynese 12:04 < harej> just because I have a hideous new york accent that comes out sometimes doesn't mean I speak brooklynese 12:04 < harej> my great-uncle spoke brooklynese though 12:05 < harej> he thought it was italian but it's just brooklyn 12:05 < mareklug> oh, did I boast to you, Pharos, that the bagel was invented in the 17th century Kraków? 12:05 -!- Captain-n00dle [~Cptn-n00d@wikipedia/Captain-n00dle] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:05 < TheDruId> I thought it was mentioned in the Old Testament, the Tower of Bagel. 12:05 < harej> gaspar di benedetto, may he rest in peace 12:05 < Pharos> no, but i am aware of the fact 12:06 < TheDruId> :p 12:06 < Pharos> my mother's family came from just outside of krakow actually 12:06 < SoapX> whaaat 12:06 < SoapX> bagels are Polish?? 12:06 < Pharos> they're jewish-polish 12:06 < SoapX> I thought Martin Luther was eating bagels in Germany in the 1500s 12:06 < mareklug> yes. they were the veritable big mac of Polish diet (as in eating, not the parliament) back then 12:07 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:07 < mareklug> SoapX this is a misconception. he was nailing stuff to the door of a church. they may have had something, but not bagels per se 12:07 < mareklug> the very word, bajgieł, is Polish 12:07 < TheDruId> Donut without the sugar? Any claimant can have it for the asking (and yes, I eat them when I'm in New Jersey & New York) 12:08 < Pharos> i consider 'Brooklynese' the proper nam of all new yourk accented dialect 12:09 < mareklug> even Staten Island's 12:09 < mareklug> nue yolk 12:09 < Pharos> it has an "-ese" at the end, after all 12:09 < Pharos> especiallt S Island 12:09 < Pharos> S Island is 90$ relocated Brooklynites 12:09 < Pharos> *90% 12:10 < mareklug> but whereas Hem is a Brooklynese band, and I think, Brazilian Girls as well, and Neptune City's (New Jersey) Nicole Atkins wrote and sings "Brooklyn's On Fire" (and I think resides there now), Staten Island has the incomparable Ingrid Michaelson. 12:11 < Pharos> i don't think these are representative of the true Brooklynese ethnos 12:11 < Pharos> sounds like midwestern hipsters to me 12:12 < mareklug> you wouldn't know. Not having heard them. They are some of the best musicians from NYC. David Letterman would agree. 12:12 < Pharos> Letterman is another midwesterner 12:13 < mareklug> but he invites musical guests at 30 Rock or wherever 12:13 -!- zz_Nascar1996 is now known as nas 12:14 < mareklug> then there is Philip Glass, the minimalist composer, the the neo-folkie dawn Landes who was his recording engineer. I think she qualifies as a New Yorker by having lived there so long, but she hails from Louisville. 12:14 < mareklug> Glass was born in Baltimore, but lives in NYC 12:15 < mareklug> most new yorkers wer born in Pakistan or Jamaica anyway 12:16 < TheDruId> My sister was born in Idaho, but has lived there more than 20 years. 12:17 < SoapX> in 1528, Luther reported a nearly fatal bout of diarrhea brought on by his consumption of Kosher food. In a letter to Melancthon, Luther suggested that the Jewish community had attempted to poison him. Luther further suggested that Kosher foods, 12:17 < SoapX> which he believed to be disagreeable with the constitution of Gentiles, were eaten by the Jews (who, presumably, would not experience adverse effects from their consumption) as a show of superiority over the Gentiles and as a means of separating themselves from the mainstream German culture. 12:17 < SoapX> so it wasnt "a bagel" 12:17 < SoapX> it was just kosher foods in general 12:17 < mareklug> bagel is only kosher if you don't eat it with Polish ham 12:20 -!- SudoGhost [~SudoGhost@wikipedia/SudoGhost] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:25 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 12:29 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 12:30 -!- moogsi [~moogsi@wikimedia/moogsi] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:31 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Quit: So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Operator from a pure heart.] 12:32 -!- brahmstimpani [~user@86-45-47-171-dynamic.b-ras2.prp.dublin.eircom.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:33 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:35 < SoapX> well anyway 12:35 < SoapX> i wonder what those kosher foods were 12:36 < SoapX> and why he was eating them 12:36 -!- brahmstimpani [~user@86-45-47-171-dynamic.b-ras2.prp.dublin.eircom.net] has left #wikipedia-en ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 12:38 < darev> n8 12:38 -!- darev [~darev@p54AA8B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 12:38 < mareklug> he might have suffered from a food alergy, but of course, it's all the Jews' fault. 12:38 < Jetro> neight 12:41 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41 -!- AaronBale [~AaronBale@74-133-164-159.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:42 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [] 12:42 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Quit: kaldari] 12:45 < TheDruId> I shudder at the community shunning of people with food allergies before the modern era. 12:46 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:49 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179047067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:50 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:51 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:53 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId wikipedia community? 12:56 < TheDruId> No, pre-science. 12:57 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> science was always there 12:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people were too ignorant to observe it :p 12:58 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before%20and%20After%20Science 12:58 < SoapX> yeah it would be a pain to be lactose intolerant in Sweden in 1600 AD 12:59 < SoapX> at least in the tropics there was more variety 12:59 < mareklug> actually, all milk-producing peoples have a curds technology, so you could well do well not drinking fresh mik but eating yogurt, cheeses, especially stinky cheeses. 12:59 < petan> fuck wikipetan 13:00 < petan> I hereby declare that since now you will all say wiki-pe-tan or I will go and eat your cookies 13:01 < petan> or I could change that highlighter to \spetan\s mhm... 13:01 < SoapX> eh its my fault 13:01 < petan> :P 13:01 < SoapX> im the only one who doesnt use the hyphen 13:01 < SoapX> I dont know really why, just habit 13:01 * petan sends hordes of petans over SoapX 13:02 < SoapX> there isnt even a redirect for the hyphenless spelling 13:02 < SoapX> oh wait 13:02 < SoapX> the mainspace article for Wikipe-tan is gone 13:02 < petan> we shouldn't even create it so that you remember it's wrong withough them 13:02 < petan> :P 13:02 < SoapX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan 13:02 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:02 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 13:02 < petan> poor wikipe-tan 13:03 < a930913> Hot potato is hot. 13:04 * ToAruShiroiNeko arrests petan 13:04 * petan eats ToAruShiroiNeko 13:04 -!- osxdude [~osxdude@unaffiliated/osxdude] has quit [Quit: Textual v2.1 (ZTN Fork v2.0.1) http://www.ztecnet.net/textual] 13:05 < SoapX> i want to make a 3D model of Wikipe-tan and put her in a video game 13:05 < mareklug> SoapX do you like Genesis? This is from when they were still good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsOlHrxgpAg Genesis - All in a Mouse's Night (1977) 13:06 < SoapX> never heard of them 13:06 < SoapX> maybe i would, i dunno 13:06 < mareklug> you never heard of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis%20%28band%29 ???? 13:06 < SoapX> not that Im aware of 13:07 < Pharos> what about Deuteronomy (band) 13:08 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:08 -!- fg [~fg@net-188-153-239-191.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:08 < mareklug> Pharos they probably were a douchebag band like Coldplay, Muse or Oasis. In any case, they could not have been a Genesis, you know, what without Steve Hackett on guitar or Phil Collins on drums and vocals (not to mention Peter Gabriel) 13:08 < IH|away> Genesis are fucking terrible. 13:08 < SoapX> i think he was kidding but there probably is at least one band named Deuteronomy 13:08 < mareklug> and you know that because? 13:08 -!- IH|away is now known as Ironholds 13:09 < SoapX> for a sec I thought that was IDoH 13:09 -!- fg [~fg@net-188-153-239-191.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has left #wikipedia-en [] 13:09 < IDoH> Who/what was me, SoapX? 13:09 < mareklug> have you ever so much as seen Genesis live? of course, you are a bit young to have seen them in their heyday 13:10 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Quit: So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Operator from a pure heart.] 13:10 < SoapX> <IH|away> Genesis are fucking terrible. <-- misread IH as IDoH 13:10 < SoapX> i was gonna say thats out of character for you 13:11 < IDoH> Oh, heh 13:11 < IDoH> yeah 13:11 < mareklug> besides, IDoH likes me to feed her music, and with enough selecting, she would endorse Genesis 13:11 < IDoH> What do you mean by "selecting"? 13:12 < mareklug> choosing obviously beguiling music 13:12 < Pharos> natural selection 13:12 < Pharos> it would take a few generations 13:12 < mareklug> anyway, Steve Hackett's arpeggiated guitar is alone worth the price of admission as far as Genesis is concerned. He is a master guitarist and very unusual, none like him. 13:13 < moogsi> i don't know anything about Genesis and i don't want to know 13:13 < moogsi> it's dad music 13:13 < moogsi> YEAH I SAID IT 13:13 < Ironholds> there is good dad music. By which I mean: Rush exists. 13:13 -!- osxdude [~osxdude@unaffiliated/osxdude] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:13 < mareklug> I suppose Audrey Hepburn is dad's actress 13:13 < Pharos> i think it depends on your dad's generation 13:13 < moogsi> Audrey Hepburn is timeless, i defy anyone to say that about Genesis 13:13 < mareklug> Rush is trash by comparison. and I speak as one who had Rush from the 2112. 13:13 < Pharos> my dad is a folkie 13:14 < TheDruId> My dad's still into Sousa. 13:14 < mareklug> some of genesis is timeless. I instruct you to listen to Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 13:14 < moogsi> I DON'T TAKE ORDERS FRO-... ok then 13:15 < moogsi> i'm not doing it right now, i'll queue it up 13:16 < harej> mareklug: good album though it is way too long 13:16 < harej> "the lamb lies down on broadway" is terrific 13:16 < harej> uh 13:16 < harej> excuse me 13:16 -!- Bradford is now known as PoohBot|AFK 13:16 < TheDruId> Lost my wrestling match, have to give up the computer in a few minutes. 13:16 < harej> I meant to say 13:16 < harej> "selling england by the pound" is terrific 13:16 < harej> "foxtrot" leaves me ambivalent 13:17 < harej> and those are the three genesis albums i own 13:17 < TheDruId> Dude and Dude is worth the chuckles. 13:17 < mareklug> yes, I should have recommended Selling England by the Pound. Firth of Fifth, the Cinema show, and the Battle of the Epping Forest are gems. 13:21 < mareklug> harej but I think you are selling short the two albums that followed Gabriel's departure and came before Hackett left: A Trick of the Tale, Wind and Wuthering. The guitar/keyboards blend is just intoxicating. it is symphonic in t he best of senses. 13:21 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:21 < mareklug> Tail * 13:21 < harej> I don't recall liking A Trick of the Tale when I listened to it 13:21 < harej> but maybe I wasn't paying enough attention 13:22 -!- Maple__ [Maple@trivialand/genius/maple] has quit [Changing host] 13:22 -!- Maple__ [Maple@unaffiliated/maple/bot/maplewolf] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:22 -!- Maple__ [Maple@unaffiliated/maple/bot/maplewolf] has quit [Changing host] 13:22 -!- Maple__ [Maple@trivialand/genius/maple] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:22 -!- JohnLewis is now known as Vogone 13:22 -!- Vogone is now known as JohnLewis 13:23 < mareklug> I have a cover (vinyl) of Abacab that Collins, Rutherford and Banks signed for me in pencil backstage :) 13:24 -!- Dcoetzee [~Dcoetzee@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:25 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@141.161.127.75] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:25 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@141.161.127.75] has quit [Changing host] 13:25 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:26 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Anywhere.] 15:20 -!- KP13 is now known as Kingpin13 15:20 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:25 -!- shimgray [~andrew@wikimedia/Shimgray] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25 < kuzetsa> I'm not bad on adding citations when a {{cite}} tag would otherwise be needed, but I'm really bad at formatting :( 15:26 < gwickwire> mareklug: lol. 15:26 < kuzetsa> is there a cleaner looking quote template I could use for the section I just added, titled "PPS (Pulse per second) timing use" --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Carrier_Detect#PPS_.28Pulse_per_second.29_timing_use 15:26 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:28 < kuzetsa> or is that ok for now? I was planning to expand a bit of information on the use case (below, same section) using a few primary and secondary sources. 15:29 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:30 < kaldari> If there are any en.wiki gadget folks around: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gadget/proposals#Adding_proposed_OBOD_replacement_prototypes_to_the_test_category 15:30 < mareklug> kuzetsa looks ok. were there any authors on this RFC? 15:30 < mareklug> gwickwire lol? 15:31 -!- dungodung is now known as dungodung|away 15:33 -!- Fluff|away is now known as Fluffernutter 15:34 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Quit: kaldari] 15:35 < kuzetsa> mareklug: I'm lazy though :( 15:35 * kuzetsa pouts 15:35 < kuzetsa> ... shut up 15:36 < kuzetsa> /wiki/Template:Cite_IETF/doc was confusing :( 15:36 < kuzetsa> starts with the words "Note: this template is currently for testing purposes only." and I didn't want to risk things breaking 15:37 < kuzetsa> I probably shouldn't have even used it, but I'm really quite lazy :( 15:37 -!- Hazard-SJ_ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:38 < kuzetsa> huh... it seems to be rather extensively used though --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Cite_IETF 15:38 < mareklug> kuzetsa just add sime names. date accessed would be appropriate, as well. 15:38 < mareklug> some * 15:38 -!- electabuzz [~cam@unaffiliated/onei] has left #wikipedia-en [] 15:38 < mareklug> date published, too 15:39 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@2.120.88.170] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:39 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@2.120.88.170] has quit [Changing host] 15:39 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:39 < mareklug> gwickwire what are you on? 15:39 -!- Maryana is now known as Maryana_brb 15:39 < kuzetsa> fine I'll fix it. Normally I'd just slack off and say "that's too much like work" but you were nice about it 15:39 -!- Hazard-SJ_ is now known as Hazard-SJ 15:39 < gwickwire> uhu 15:42 < mareklug> kuzetsa I am always nice to you. It is Bradford and gwickwire that I abuse. 15:43 < MJ94> oh hay gwickwire 15:43 < MJ94> mareklug: thanks for loving me <3 15:45 < mareklug> you are welcome MJ94 15:47 -!- Dcoetzee [kvirc@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:47 * a930913 waves to MJ94. 15:48 * MJ94 waves 15:50 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:51 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has left #wikipedia-en [] 15:51 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@66.59.113.130] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:51 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@66.59.113.130] has quit [Changing host] 15:51 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:52 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 15:52 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@ip72-199-26-55.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:52 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@ip72-199-26-55.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:52 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:54 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@2.120.88.170] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:54 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@2.120.88.170] has quit [Changing host] 15:54 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:54 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:56 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:59 -!- Sky2042 is now known as Sky2042_afk 15:59 < Maple__> eW9sbw== 16:01 < Krenair> Z3Rmbw== 16:02 < BlastHardcheese> my thoughts exactly 16:02 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 16:03 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:03 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Watch bums play buckets! 16:17 -!- tempodivalse [~bohemian@unaffiliated/tempodivalse] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:17 < SoapX> hi tempo 16:17 < kuzetsa> busy with non-wikipedia stuff now 16:17 < kuzetsa> (AFK) 16:18 < tempodivalse> oh, hi Soap :) 16:18 -!- JackDaniels [~milanporu@149-113-13-46.tmcz.cz] has quit [Client Quit] 16:18 < tempodivalse> getting back into the wikipedia editing hobby :) 16:18 < Isarra> Guys, did you know you can order a cup of whipped cream at starbucks? 16:18 -!- JackDaniels [~milanporu@149-113-13-46.tmcz.cz] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:18 < gwickwire> Isarra: yes. 16:18 < Isarra> In retrospect that probably wasn't a very good idea. 16:18 < gwickwire> lol 16:19 < gwickwire> ugh. 16:20 < Isarra> Or possibly it was the mixing it with an already large frappe that was the bad idea. 16:20 < Isarra> I dunno. 16:20 < Isarra> Damn tasty, though. 16:20 -!- TParis [~TParis@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21 -!- TParis 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...Wikimania? 16:32 < foks> tempodivalse, :P 16:32 < tempodivalse> (Nice to see you again, by the way!) 16:33 < MJ94> yes foks 16:33 < MJ94> thanks 16:33 < foks> tempodivalse, :) 16:34 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-100-200.public.wayport.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:34 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-100-200.public.wayport.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:34 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:35 -!- LtNOWIS2 [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:35 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:35 -!- LtNOWIS2 [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:36 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 16:39 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:40 < Bradford> ty: :D 16:42 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Remote 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real real 16:48 < Isarra> They have no independent existence. 16:48 < harej> Numbers are technically human constructs, yes. 16:49 < harej> moogsi_: I disagree—there are an infinite number of real numbers! 16:49 < moogsi_> :D 16:49 < moogsi_> ahem 16:49 < moogsi_> "no, numbers are real" 16:49 < harej> that comma is important! 16:50 < moogsi_> it's an open question 16:51 < Isarra> The universe is rock permitting. 16:51 < Isarra> Clearly there was an intelligent designer to make the universe rock permitting. 16:51 * Isarra runs. 16:51 < moogsi_> i don't like thinking that "7" is an abstract concept.. people think that "abstract" means "artifical" somehow 16:52 < moogsi_> *artificial" 16:52 < Isarra> 'Artificial' is an abstract concept. 16:52 < moogsi_> like, if it's abstract then someone must have made it up 16:52 < moogsi_> Isarra: nonsense 16:52 < harej> "7" exists in nature, but its signifer (the numeral) is manmade. 16:53 < Isarra> 'Abstract' is an abstract concept. 16:53 < harej> Numbers definitely exist in nature—there is ample evidence for this—but how we describe them is a construct of language. 16:53 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:53 -!- Bradford is now known as Pandashan|Cloud 16:53 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:53 < moogsi_> yes i understand the difference between "7 things" and "7" :P 16:53 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 16:54 -!- Sky2042_afk [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:54 < moogsi_> Isarra: i like to stick to nouns when describing things as abstract or not, it's less confusing 16:55 < Isarra> Aye. >.< 16:56 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:57 -!- sdamashek is now known as tjhsstBot 16:57 -!- tjhsstBot is now known as sdamashek 16:58 -!- peachey|laptop__ is now known as peachey|out 17:00 < moogsi_> i well, it seems like it's either, "the concept of number is entirely constructed, stuff either exists or it doesn't" or "numbers are a real (non-anthropogenic) thing which somehow exist" 17:00 < moogsi_> jury's out 17:01 < moogsi_> if i'm allowed to have a hunch, it's the latter 17:10 * Pandashan|Cloud Buenas noche a todos, Good night :D 17:10 -!- Pandashan|Cloud [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Quit: Adiós chongos, no me extrañen :D] 17:13 -!- yolo [~yolo@76.91.175.221] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:13 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Quit: kaldari] 17:13 -!- yolo is now known as Guest11244 17:16 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:16 -!- Guest11244 [~yolo@76.91.175.221] has quit [Client Quit] 17:17 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:17 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:17 -!- harej 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I have a law degree. big difference ;p 17:51 < Ironholds> (and, yes, mandatory funny hat. But.) 17:51 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|away 17:52 < MJ94> Ironholds: Can I ask you a law question? :p 17:52 < Ironholds> Yes! With the caveats that I cannot give legal advice with any guarantee of accuracy, and that my law degree is from the jurisdiction of England and Wales. 17:52 < MJ94> Of course. 17:52 < Ironholds> and that if you live in outer Mongolia I am unlikely to be helpful 17:52 < MJ94> Just a general. 17:52 < SoapX> you typed that fast 17:52 < MJ94> SoapX: he probably has tab complete 17:52 < MJ94> :p 17:53 < Ironholds> SoapX: I have a mechanical keyboard I get a shitton of wps out of. I'm the best at what I do. 17:53 < SoapX> cool 17:54 < Maple__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Colby < needs bettar article; "Shadow Warrior" is actually quite decent, I'm reading it right now 17:54 -!- tucoxn [~tucoxn@countervandalism/tucoxn] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:54 < tucoxn> hello 17:54 -!- MikeV [~MikeV@wikipedia/Mike-V] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:55 < Peter-C> My town FD/PD just saved ducks from a sewer. 17:55 < Peter-C> Woop woop. 17:55 < Maple__> :O 17:55 < Mkdw> Im curious about MJ's legal question. 17:56 < MJ94> Ironholds: Hypothetically, let's say your mom wants to sell a bracelet, so your dad puts it on Craigslist. Someone sends dad a text and says "I like this bracelet, think it will go well with this?" It leads to an image site with .jpg.gimp files. The files don't load in the browser and don't have a download button. However, the site has a big bold notice saying: Can't view image? Download Gimp." You click it, and it sends you to an unauthorized Gimp 17:56 < MJ94> distributor that has Adware on it. The URL the person gave you have a referral link, which means that every dl the Gimp file gets, the referrer gets money. Is the referrer breaking the law or just the overhead malware distributor that the referrer is working for? 17:56 < moogsi_> were they special fancy ducks? 17:56 * Ironholds headscratches 17:57 < Ironholds> that's definitely in the category of "yeah, I'm in England and Wales" 17:57 < tucoxn> does anybody remember the channel for the small wiki monitoring team? 17:57 < MJ94> #cvn-smallwikis 17:57 < MJ94> I think 17:57 < tucoxn> MJ94: Thanks! 17:57 < MJ94> I just /parted there two days ago 17:57 < MJ94> tucoxn: no promises 17:57 < MJ94> Ironholds: aw. 17:58 < tucoxn> nope, I don't htink that's it 17:58 < Maple__> #cvn-sw? 17:58 < tucoxn> yup, thanks Maple! 17:58 < MJ94> yes 17:58 -!- Maple__ is now known as boverhoard 17:58 < Mkdw> Not a lawyer, but the person who gave you the link could probably deny any wrongdoing 17:58 < MJ94> tucoxn: that :p 17:58 < MJ94> Mkdw: what if we save the text? 17:59 < SoapX> Im pretty sure spam and even adware is legal 17:59 -!- boverhoard is now known as Maple__ 17:59 < SoapX> or else a LOT of people would be in jail 17:59 < SoapX> viruses are where the law gets involved 17:59 < Mkdw> You'd need proof that the person knew it was malicious 17:59 < Maple__> tucoxn, np 17:59 < Mkdw> and then knowingly gave it to you, I imagine. 18:00 < moogsi_> Peter-C: I DEMAND TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE DUCKS 18:00 < Peter-C> 1 mother, 5 ducks 18:00 < moogsi_> did they look like this? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aix_galericulata_Mandarinente.JPG 18:00 < Mkdw> Think about how spam works. I'm sure you've received it from friends either through facebook shares, or emails etc. 18:00 < moogsi_> ducklings? 18:00 < SoapX> there's even been cases where spammers have sued people for defamation when theyve been unmasked 18:00 < MJ94> Mkdw: true 18:00 < Peter-C> Some were trapped in the sewer, FD/PD opened up the sewer, picked them up, transported mother and kids to the pond 18:00 < moogsi_> little ducks are the best thing ever 18:01 < SoapX> everyone loves ducks 18:02 < Peter-C> PD said they would put the cost of the rescue on the mothers bill 18:04 < moogsi_> are you sure that wasn't the local news prompting them... "are you gonna hve to put it on her BILL?" ahahahah 18:04 < Peter-C> No 18:04 < moogsi_> i worked briefly for a local newpaper, 'local man dies of natural causes' type headlines 18:04 < Mkdw> Again, not a lawyer, but the reason why malware and spam are so popular is because they 18:04 < moogsi_> they would have loved that story 18:04 < Peter-C> PD had a field day over the radio 18:04 < Mkdw> they're* nearly impossible to stop. 18:05 < Bazinga> Peter-C: are you liable if someone dies? 18:05 < Bazinga> if you screwed up etc. 18:05 < moogsi_> the internet makes everything easier, even stealing money from ignorant people... maybe especially that :( 18:06 < SoapX> that Gimp story is a really circuitous way to make money 18:06 < SoapX> Is it based on something real? 18:07 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:09 -!- moogsi_ [~moogsi@wikimedia/moogsi] has quit [Quit: biab] 18:09 -!- Dcoetzee [kvirc@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:11 < SoapX> all fish have eyes 18:11 < SoapX> but, the most recent common ancestors of fish did not have eyes 18:11 < SoapX> Eyes must therefore have evolved somewhere in between 18:11 -!- BewareofDoug [~Doug__@wikipedia/Doug] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:14 -!- Dcoetzee [kvirc@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:15 -!- Maple__ is now known as HURRYDAFUQUP 18:15 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:15 -!- HURRYDAFUQUP is now known as s_ok 18:15 -!- s_ok is now known as Maple__ 18:15 < Steven_Zhang> hey BewareofDoug 18:16 < BewareofDoug> Steven_Zhang: Hey! long time no chat! 18:16 < Steven_Zhang> :P 18:16 < Steven_Zhang> yeh 18:16 < BewareofDoug> What has been going on with you? How did your grant thing work out? 18:17 < Steven_Zhang> heh, I became a fellow 18:17 < Steven_Zhang> finished in Januaery 18:17 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:17 < Steven_Zhang> now i am a former employee :P 18:17 < BewareofDoug> I guess that's good 18:18 < Steven_Zhang> heh. anyone seen the Ameristralia petition 18:18 < BewareofDoug> ? 18:18 -!- Maple__ is now known as sid|3 18:18 -!- sid|3 is now known as sid|4 18:18 < SoapX> what, Aus wants to be part of the USA? Im totally in favor 18:19 < MJ94> [20:06:42] <SoapX> that Gimp story is a really circuitous way to make money 18:19 < MJ94> [20:06:48] <SoapX> Is it based on something real? 18:19 < MJ94> Was that pointed at me? 18:19 < SoapX> I'd even be in favor if the capital of the new nation was moved to Australia 18:19 < SoapX> MJ94 yeah 18:19 < MJ94> SoapX: yes 18:19 < SoapX> it seesm too complicated to be entirely made-up 18:19 < MJ94> side note: anyone want my mom's bracelet? 18:19 < SoapX> but at the same time, who could be so desperate for a few pennies that they'd resort to something so complicated? 18:19 -!- sid|4 is now known as Maple__ 18:19 -!- Mike_H [~quassel@72.184.56.186] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:20 -!- moogsi_ [~moogsi@wikimedia/moogsi] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:20 -!- Mike_H is now known as Guest66653 18:20 < MJ94> SoapX: Dad got a text that said: "I'm interested in the bracelet, think it'd go well with this <link> 18:20 < Steven_Zhang> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/join-america-and-australia-form-ameristralia 18:21 -!- moogsi_ is now known as moogsi 18:21 < Mkdw> I'll buy it MJ94 18:21 < Mkdw> But first, you have to download this link 18:21 < MJ94> lol'd 18:22 < SoapX> my guess is that most Americans would be in favor of combining, since nothing could really hurt America 18:22 < SoapX> and most Australians woukld be against it, but a sizable number would be in favor as well 18:22 -!- Sven_Manguard [~Perhaps@wikipedia/Sven-Manguard] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:22 < moogsi> what is at bits.wikimedia.org ? 18:22 < moogsi> what it do? 18:23 < Sven_Manguard> I forgot what the page is that has the prewritten copyright release for images 18:23 < Sven_Manguard> anyone know it 18:23 < SoapX> 15 yrs ago the Expansionist Party of the USA was in the news 18:23 < Mkdw> haha that's so funny moogsi 18:23 < SoapX> they favor having the USA take over the world 18:23 < Mkdw> Did you see the little sentence in the corner before it redirects you? 18:23 < moogsi> Mkdw: wai 18:23 < moogsi> nay 18:23 -!- Mike_HH [~quassel@72.184.56.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:23 < Mkdw> it says "bits and pieces live here!" 18:23 < moogsi> haha ok 18:23 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:23 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:23 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:23 < Mkdw> and then redirects you to the main site. 18:24 < Mkdw> I think it's a joke 18:24 < SoapX> bits is some toolserver-related thing 18:24 < moogsi> it's giving me gip 18:24 < SoapX> I think 18:24 < moogsi> some pages take 60 seconds waiting for bits.wikimedia.org 18:25 < moogsi> it is very annoying 18:25 < moogsi> it's probably on my end... something needs resetting 18:26 * moogsi kicks router 18:26 -!- Mike_HH [~quassel@72.184.56.186] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:27 -!- Pink|dinner is now known as PinkAmpersand 18:28 < SoapX> hi & 18:28 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has quit [Quit: Connection savagely beaten to death by peer] 18:29 -!- illuminati [56068d43@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.6.141.67] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:30 -!- Guest66653 [~quassel@72.184.56.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:31 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:31 < Moe_Epsilon> we might be the only version of wikipedia that has stupidly adopted disambiguations in the middle of the titles 18:31 -!- muahaha is now known as muahaha|AFK 18:32 < SoapX> in the middle? 18:33 < moogsi> does anyone know when all that SUL stuff is being done? 18:33 < moogsi> like the account renaming stuff 18:33 < Moe_Epsilon> SoapX: [[East Hampton (town), New York]] and [[East Hampton (village), New York]] 18:33 < moogsi> is that a thing which is happening 18:33 < SoapX> late May, I think 18:34 -!- gde33|2 [~gde33@546A1A51.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #wikipedia-en ["Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"] 18:34 < moogsi> i am asking a dumb question because i can't read any pages which contain this information 18:34 < moogsi> thank you 18:34 < SoapX> ill have an exact date in a minute 18:35 < SoapX> "This change will take place on or around 27 May 2013. " 18:35 < Moe_Epsilon> alright, [[National Register of Historic Places listings in East Hampton (town), New York]] is about ridiculous 18:35 < SoapX> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Single_User_Login_finalisation_announcement 18:35 < Moe_Epsilon> especially since [[National Register of Historic Places listings in East Hampton, New York]] is a redirect 18:36 < moogsi> yeah fuck this i can't even read that 18:36 < moogsi> biab 18:36 -!- moogsi [~moogsi@wikimedia/moogsi] has quit [Quit: na na na nana na na nanana na na naaaa] 18:42 < SoapX> i wonder what his problem is 18:42 < legoktm> Steven_Zhang: :| 18:43 < Steven_Zhang> wut :P 18:45 -!- mindspillage [~kat@50-196-147-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:45 -!- mindspillage [~kat@50-196-147-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:45 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:46 -!- illuminati [56068d43@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.6.141.67] has left #wikipedia-en [] 18:47 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:47 < Steven_Zhang> legoktm: i warned you :P 18:47 < legoktm> :(( 18:47 < Steven_Zhang> not my fault you have more supports :P 18:47 < Steven_Zhang> but really, im happy for you :) 18:47 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:48 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:48 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 18:48 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:49 -!- Sven_Manguard [~Perhaps@wikipedia/Sven-Manguard] has left #wikipedia-en [] 18:50 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 18:52 < legoktm> :D 18:52 < legoktm> ty 18:57 < Bazinga> hm 18:57 < Bazinga> http://enwp.org/WP:RFA 18:57 < Bazinga> legoktm: still can't beat Fluff|away 18:58 < legoktm> o.O 18:58 < legoktm> meh 18:59 < Shirik> who do I get to slap about this whole notification thing in the top right hand corner 19:00 < SoapX> irony 19:00 < SoapX> hes become basically the guy who takes all the heat about the decisions the WMF makes 19:00 < Fluff|away> Bazinga: s'ok, if i did it again today there'd be plenty of people who called for my head, I'm sure 19:00 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has quit [Quit: Steven_Zhang] 19:01 < Shirik> <insert inappropriate joke here> 19:01 -!- HarryS [H@unaffiliated/harrys] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01 -!- Missingno255 [~Missingno@99-2-213-184.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:01 -!- Missingno255 [~Missingno@99-2-213-184.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:01 -!- Missingno255 [~Missingno@unaffiliated/missingno255] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:01 < Fluff|away> Shirik: slapping people is rude. You should instead give them cookies. 19:01 -!- Fluff|away is now known as Fluffernutter 19:03 -!- Ironholds is now known as IH|away 19:04 < Bazinga> Shirik: put hot sauce in the cookies 19:04 < Bazinga> (really hot) 19:05 < Shirik> I like hot sauce 19:05 < Fluffernutter> make sure you feed them to the actual devs, though, and not just the devs' appointed whipping boy whose job it is to ruefully tell you the devs hate you 19:05 < Bazinga> I do too... 19:06 < Bazinga> but there's nothing wrong with making Shirik's Bhut Jolokia Cookies 19:06 < Jasper_Deng> Unfortunately, the devs do have contempt for our complaints 19:07 < Fluffernutter> Jacnoc: i don't think they do really. I think they sort of live in a different world, where they could award us all a million dollars and they know we'd still bitch, and they're a little bit used to toning us out when we act crazy like that 19:07 < Fluffernutter> er, sorry, wrong ping name 19:07 -!- usethecommandlin [~pi@c-76-105-237-98.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:07 < Fluffernutter> that ws for Jasper_Deng 19:07 < usethecommandlin> hi 19:08 < usethecommandlin> are there any toolserver tools that will allow one to thread a user's edits, e.g. by article 19:08 < Bazinga> Does anyone here not like the beatles? 19:09 < Jasper_Deng> hey, I can probably claim I'm the only one 19:09 < SoapX> what? ONLY a million? I deserve at least ten million for all the pain Ive put into editing Wikipedia 19:09 < SoapX> in fact Im suing 19:09 < Shirik> class action? I would like to join 19:09 < SoapX> I'm subpoenaing the name and blood type of everyone who's ever disagreed with me 19:10 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 19:10 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 19:10 < usethecommandlin> is there somewhere else i might ask? 19:10 < SoapX> even in their sleep 19:10 < Moe_Epsilon> Bazinga: yep 19:10 < SoapX> usethecommandlin: what do you mean by "thread" ? 19:10 < Bazinga> Moe_Epsilon: go away 19:10 < Bazinga> you are not the walrus. 19:10 < usethecommandlin> im interested in sifting through a user's edits to a particular article, instead of only being able to go to the next edit to the article 19:10 < Bazinga> you will never will be the walrus 19:11 < Bazinga> - will 19:11 < usethecommandlin> does that make sense? 19:11 < Moe_Epsilon> I don't want to be a walrus 19:11 < SoapX> oh, no, I dont think a tool like that exists. Just the "user edits by article" tool 19:11 < usethecommandlin> and going back and forth to the list of article edits is time consuming 19:11 < usethecommandlin> or, even, edits to multiple articles 19:11 < SoapX> Im pretty sure nothing more advanced than that exists 19:12 -!- peachey|out is now known as p858snake 19:12 < tucoxn> bye bye 19:12 -!- tucoxn [~tucoxn@countervandalism/tucoxn] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:12 < usethecommandlin> thats kind of strange. that would take me a while to build though, so it wouldnt be available for its immediate purpose 19:12 < usethecommandlin> ok thanks 19:12 -!- usethecommandlin [~pi@c-76-105-237-98.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:12 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [~admin@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:14 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:14 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 19:16 -!- ChrisGualtieri [328598c0@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:17 < ChrisGualtieri> Could someone explain a policy to me, just so I am sure I am interpreting it correctly? 19:17 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:17 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:17 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:20 < Mkdw> Isnt there a duplication detector that will scan a page and its references for close paraphrasing? 19:20 < Mkdw> dcoetzee's tool only does a comparison between two urls 19:20 < SoapX> hi ChrisG 19:20 -!- muahaha|AFK is now known as muahaha 19:20 -!- YE|AFK is now known as YE 19:21 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [~admin@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 < ChrisGualtieri> Hi SoapX 19:21 < ChrisGualtieri> Specifically, could someone explain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CFORK#Redundant_content_forks to me? 19:22 -!- vvv_ is now known as vvv 19:22 -!- vvv [~vvv@FARORE.MIT.EDU] has quit [Changing host] 19:22 -!- vvv [~vvv@mediawiki/VasilievVV] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:22 -!- experimenting [56068d43@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.6.141.67] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:23 -!- experimenting [56068d43@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.6.141.67] has quit [Client Quit] 19:23 < SoapX> well I guess what theyre saying is just AGF 19:24 < ChrisGualtieri> Not that. The actual 'content fork' what is the definition of a content fork 19:24 < SoapX> dont assume that just because there are two articles on something that needs only one, that one of them is a POV fork 19:25 < SoapX> well, suppose I made a copy of the article on Chiropractics and took all the negative stuff out. That would be a POV fork 19:25 < SoapX> and therefore also a content fork 19:25 < ChrisGualtieri> "A content fork is the creation of multiple separate articles all treating the same subject." Would a franchise overview of all the works of a subject be a content fork of a specific sub-topic covering one work in detail? 19:26 < SoapX> suppose I made an article called "History of World War II" and it turned out to basically just be another article much the same as [[World War II]]. That would be a content fork but probably not a POV fork 19:27 < SoapX> i dont understand your question so Im not sure 19:27 < SoapX> Probably not 19:27 < ChrisGualtieri> My issue with Lucia Black is summed up by such a simple argument. 19:28 < ChrisGualtieri> " The split would only cause a near duplicate or leave the manga article incredibly underdeveloped. You've evaded this key issue long enough. WP:REDUNDANTFORK is about splitting off material that may have already been split off, but is also meant for splits that would need the same information as the main article" 19:28 -!- heatherw_ [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:28 -!- Dcoetzee [kvirc@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:30 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 19:32 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:32 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:32 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:32 -!- Adrianzo [~adrian_ca@200.84.245.189] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:33 < ChrisGualtieri> Anyone care to comment? X-x 19:33 -!- sdamashek [~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9] has quit [Quit: sleep] 19:33 -!- Dcoetzee [kvirc@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:36 -!- SoapX is now known as {soap|bed} 19:39 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 19:40 -!- TParis_ [~TParis@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:40 -!- TParis_ [~TParis@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:40 -!- TParis_ [~TParis@wikipedia/TParis] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:40 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away 19:40 -!- Cncmaster [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Cncmaster] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:42 -!- TParis [~TParis@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:45 -!- TParis_ [~TParis@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:48 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51 < ChrisGualtieri> I really need to find out how to deal with disruptive and stubborn editors for dispute resolution... it is rather irritating to down right insulting to have editors insert knowingly false material into the article repeatedly. 19:52 < {soap|bed}> yeah 19:54 -!- heatherw_ [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw_] 19:58 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|away 20:01 -!- PinkAmpersand is now known as Pink|TV 20:02 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:09 -!- Missingno255 [~Missingno@unaffiliated/missingno255] has left #wikipedia-en ["BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!"] 20:12 -!- Guerillero [d1f32608@wikipedia/Guerillero] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:14 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|iPad 20:14 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@50-0-242-33.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:14 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@50-0-242-33.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:14 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:15 -!- Cncmaster [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Cncmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:17 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:18 -!- MikeV [~MikeV@wikipedia/Mike-V] has quit [Quit: MikeV] 20:19 < ChrisGualtieri> I need an admin to intervene 20:19 < ChrisGualtieri> !admin 20:20 -!- MikeV [~MikeV@wikipedia/Mike-V] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:20 -!- MikeV [~MikeV@wikipedia/Mike-V] has quit [Client Quit] 20:20 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:20 -!- Adrianzo [~adrian_ca@200.84.245.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:21 < ChrisGualtieri> No admins on? 20:22 -!- Missingno255 [~Missingno@99-2-213-184.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:22 -!- Missingno255 [~Missingno@99-2-213-184.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:22 -!- Missingno255 [~Missingno@unaffiliated/missingno255] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:24 < {soap|bed}> at least six or seven admins are here 20:24 < {soap|bed}> and active 20:24 < SigmaWP> Well 20:24 < Guerillero> ChrisGualtieri what do you need 20:24 < {soap|bed}> its the Lucia Black thing I think 20:24 < SigmaWP> It appears that I have forgotten how to use qwerty 20:24 < SigmaWP> Fuck 20:25 < {soap|bed}> what are you using, Dvorak? 20:25 < SigmaWP> Yep 20:29 -!- BewareofDoug [~Doug__@wikipedia/Doug] has quit [Quit: BewareofDoug] 20:31 < eeekster> forgotten how to use qwerty? Wouldn't that be grounds for opposing an RFA? 20:32 < Dcoetzee> Heh 20:32 * Hazard-SJ says no to eeekster and gets back to programming a bot 20:32 < Isarra> ToAruShiroiNeko: Can you be angsty? 20:32 < Dcoetzee> I quit using Dvorak precisely because it occasionally confused me while typing Qwerty 20:32 < Dcoetzee> And I had to use QWERTY keyboards during lab assignments, etc. 20:32 < Dcoetzee> I can still type Dvorak but I've lost a lot of speed 20:32 < eeekster> I'd have real trouble if I was switching between the two 20:33 < eeekster> Hazard-SJ, it'd be better than some of the reasons I've seen 20:33 < Bazinga> hey Dcoetzee 20:38 < Dcoetzee> Hey 20:38 < Dcoetzee> Bazinga: How're you 20:39 < Bazinga> Haven't been doing to bad, and you? Haven't talked in awhile :-) 20:41 < Dcoetzee> Good :-) 20:41 < Dcoetzee> Wrapping up a class project at the moment on student attrition in MOOCs 20:45 * Hazard-SJ laughs 20:47 -!- Moe_Epsilon is now known as Moe_{akf} 20:47 -!- Moe_{akf} is now known as Moe_{afk} 20:48 < eeekster> "I oppose your RFA because I don't know how to type Σ" 20:48 < eeekster> and that'd be even more of a problem on Dvorak for such a person ;) 20:49 < Shirik> speaking of typing 20:49 < Shirik> my new keyboard comes tomorrow, yay! 20:49 < {soap|bed}> what kind of keyboard is it? 20:49 < {soap|bed}> it must be special if youre so happy 20:50 < Shirik> not particularly special 20:50 < Shirik> though it is my first mechanical keyboard 20:50 < eeekster> I just hope my current keyboard (over a decade old) keys going 20:50 < Shirik> but I really hate my current one 20:52 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@wikipedia/mkdw] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:52 < {soap|bed}> ok 20:54 < Dcoetzee> Shirik: That sounds awesome! 20:54 < Dcoetzee> Is it a clicky keyboard with the springs and everything? 20:55 < Shirik> yes, though a little quieter than you're probably thinking of 20:56 < Dcoetzee> I see :-) 20:56 < {soap|bed}> i want a keyboard that has a hexadecimal numberpad 20:57 < Dcoetzee> If I ever started a cafe I think I would call it DEAD BEEF FACE CAFE 20:58 < Dcoetzee> And we would FEED DEAD BEEF to our customers 20:59 < Dcoetzee> I wonder what other words you can spell with hexadecimal. Let me grep the dictionary 20:59 < Bazinga> What is a mechanical keyboard? 20:59 < Jasper_Deng> so that's the IPv6 address you'd give it, Dcoetzee? 20:59 < Bazinga> http://enwp.org/Mechanical_keyboard 20:59 < Jasper_Deng> (for its website) 20:59 < Dcoetzee> Jasper_Deng: Yep, just add some colons 21:00 < Bazinga> oh... 21:00 < Bazinga> those things 21:00 < Bazinga> Dcoetzee: are you an admin on enwiki 21:01 < Dcoetzee> http://pastebin.com/q1rAgcTT Words you can spell with hexadecimal 21:01 < Dcoetzee> FACADE is my favorite 21:01 < Dcoetzee> EFFACE is nice too 21:01 < Dcoetzee> Bazinga: Yep 21:01 < {soap|bed}> babe 21:01 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: do you see what I see when you ping FB using IPv6? 21:02 < Jasper_Deng> isn't 0 usable as o? 21:02 < Dcoetzee> There's also DECADE, DEAF, FADE 21:02 < {soap|bed}> b00b 21:02 -!- kelapstick [ca83e93b@wikipedia/Kelapstick] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:02 < Dcoetzee> If you count using 0 as o... I'll look 21:02 < Shirik> and CAFEBABE 21:03 < Dcoetzee> Some people count "1" as "L" but that's not as standard 21:03 < Bazinga> Jasper_Deng: how do i ipv6 21:03 < Jasper_Deng> it depends, Bazinga 21:03 < Shirik> first you take ipv4 21:03 < Dcoetzee> http://pastebin.com/N1KzUJhz Hexadecimal words allowing O's 21:03 < Bazinga> and add 2 21:04 < Shirik> yes 21:04 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:04 < Shirik> baobab? 21:04 < Dcoetzee> C0FFEE is one I've seen before 21:04 < Dcoetzee> Also F00D 21:04 < Bazinga> CH0DE 21:05 < Bsadowski1> :O 21:05 < Dcoetzee> Also, if I were going to hack into someone's system and overwrite their files, I'd definitely do it with DEFACED 21:05 < Dcoetzee> :-P 21:05 < Dcoetzee> C0C0A is another neat one 21:06 < Jasper_Deng> I wonder what would happen, Dcoetzee, if IPv7 used 384-bit addresses, such that we use base-64 instead of hexadecimal 21:06 < Shirik> 0xE5 21:06 < Shirik> does that count? 21:06 < Dcoetzee> I think base64 addresses would be great 21:07 < Dcoetzee> I'd like to use them for IPv6 even 21:07 < Jasper_Deng> the problem with base-64 for IPv6 is that 128 doesn't evenly divide into 67 21:07 < Jasper_Deng> 6* 21:07 < Dcoetzee> Big deal, one char is limited in range :-P 21:07 < Dcoetzee> I do see how it doesn't align with the hierarchy though 21:07 < {soap|bed}> c0ffee is a nice color 21:08 < {soap|bed}> too bad it doesnt actually look like coffee 21:08 < {soap|bed}> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C0FFEE 21:08 < Shirik> wait wtf 21:09 < Dcoetzee> ....ha neat 21:09 < Shirik> C0FFEE is 10000000? 21:09 < {soap|bed}> no 21:09 < Dcoetzee> Wait no it isn't 21:09 < Dcoetzee> Wtf that redirect 21:09 < {soap|bed}> c0ffee is 12648430, it just is subsumed under the 10000000 page 21:09 < Shirik> 12648430 – hexadecimal C0FFEE; used as a placeholder in programming. 21:09 < Shirik> boo 21:09 < Shirik> also that's stupid 21:10 < Dcoetzee> I feel like that should redirect to [[hexspeak]] instead 21:10 < Dcoetzee> So I'm gonna do it 21:10 < {soap|bed}> yeah 21:10 < {soap|bed}> do it 21:10 < Shirik> 0 is also used as a placeholder in programming 21:10 < Shirik> does it get mentioned? 21:10 < Bazinga> so is -1 21:10 < Bazinga> <3 21:10 < {soap|bed}> whoa 21:10 < {soap|bed}> it was me who redirected it there 21:10 < {soap|bed}> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C0FFEE&action=history 21:11 < Dcoetzee> Heh 21:11 < {soap|bed}> only the capital version though 21:11 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 21:11 < Dcoetzee> Well it was a reasonable redirect considering that article mentioned it 21:11 < {soap|bed}> feel free to change it if there is an article for 'hex speak' 21:11 < Dcoetzee> There is 21:11 < Dcoetzee> I did :-) 21:12 < {soap|bed}> ok cool 21:12 < Dcoetzee> I feel like [[hexspeak]] needs a lot more redirects 21:12 < {soap|bed}> c001 21:12 < {soap|bed}> # 0xB16B00B5 ("big boobs") was required by Microsoft's Hyper-V hypervisor to be used by Linux guests as their "guest signature".[5] This offending code was later changed to 0x0DEFACED ("defaced").[6] <--- really, guys? 21:13 < {soap|bed}> thats pretty pathetic 21:13 < {soap|bed}> both of them 21:13 -!- {soap|bed} [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 21:13 < Dcoetzee> Microsoft actually has regulations about gender sensitivity in products... apparently some team never got the memo 21:13 < Dcoetzee> *has policies about 21:14 < Jasper_Deng> lol 21:14 < Shirik> that sounds like something you shouldn't have to write a regulation about 21:14 < Dcoetzee> Apparently you do :-P 21:14 < Bazinga> WHAT THE FUCK 21:14 < Bazinga> there's a dialogue box on my computer that runs away from my mouse 21:14 < Dcoetzee> Bazinga: Sounds like a virus 21:15 < Dcoetzee> Trying to be funny 21:15 < Bazinga> Dcoetzee: it's my schools website... 21:15 < Bazinga> :/ 21:15 < Dcoetzee> Oh 21:15 < Dcoetzee> Then they're just being dumb on the school's website 21:15 < Bazinga> now the dialogue box is outside of my screen 21:15 < Jasper_Deng> ok, that might be your malware again Bazinga 21:15 < Bazinga> Jasper_Deng: i don't think so 21:15 < Bazinga> let me try again 21:16 < Jasper_Deng> view the source of the page 21:18 < Bazinga> won't let me 21:18 < Bazinga> :/ 21:19 < Dcoetzee> Maybe your school's website was compromised and somebody put malware on it 21:19 < SigmaWP> [20:48:13] �<�eeekster�>� "I oppose your RFA because I don't know how to type Σ" 21:19 < SigmaWP> [20:48:41] �<�eeekster�>� and that'd be even more of a problem on Dvorak for such a person ;) 21:19 < SigmaWP> lol 21:19 < ChrisGualtieri> You RFAing? 21:20 < Bazinga> yes 21:20 < Bazinga> he is 21:20 < SigmaWP> No comment 21:20 < SigmaWP> Because whatever I say will be canvassing 21:20 < Bazinga> i'm opposing because their host is lowercase sigma 21:20 < SigmaWP> You know what 21:20 < Bazinga> but their username is an uppercase sigma 21:20 < Bazinga> that's complete bollocks 21:21 < Jasper_Deng> I don't like Sigma except when I take his limit as ||P||-->0 21:21 < Jasper_Deng> it's much smoother that way 21:24 < Dcoetzee> That limit can go straight to infinity for all I care 21:25 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:26 -!- Bronze [~Mark@unaffiliated/bronze] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:33 < Bazinga> Jasper_Deng: prepare for a lot of shouting if we win 21:34 < SigmaWP> Jasper_Deng: Prepare for a lot of shouting when I win 21:34 < SigmaWP> You know what I mean :) 21:34 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:36 -!- FastLizard4|iPad is now known as FastLizard4 21:38 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:42 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 21:46 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48 < MJ94> SigmaWP: hai 21:48 < SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: Hi 21:48 < SigmaWP> MJ94: hai 21:48 < Steven_Zhang> <3 21:48 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has quit [Quit: print "I have things to do elsewhere, so ... bye! :)"] 21:48 < SigmaWP> <3 21:49 < ihaveamac> i feel like I want to delete everything sometimes 21:49 < ihaveamac> I'm tagging several pages for speedy deletion 21:50 -!- tempodivalse [~bohemian@unaffiliated/tempodivalse] has quit [Quit: zzz.] 21:54 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:55 -!- Bazinga [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:55 < SigmaWP> That's my job 21:56 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:56 -!- bazinga [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:57 < ihaveamac> c: 21:57 < bazinga> Legoktm 21:57 < legoktm> bazinga 21:58 < bazinga> You are hereby notified that you are obliged to keep me posted on the score. 21:58 < legoktm> 3-3 21:58 < legoktm> we're going to win :DDDDDDD 21:58 < bazinga> When it changes. 21:58 < bazinga> And any penalties 21:58 < legoktm> I will shout in your face 21:58 < legoktm> And rub it in 21:58 < bazinga> I will chzz in my pants 21:58 -!- CMBJ [~Craig@207-119-1-91.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:58 < legoktm> I thought there was a delayed penalty but it didnt get called 21:59 < bazinga> I've done that before. 21:59 < bazinga> *puts arm up* 21:59 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:00 < bazinga> Casually puts arm down 22:00 < ihaveamac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_litigation_involving_the_Electronic_Frontier_Foundation 22:00 < ihaveamac> so many red links 22:04 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:05 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Quit: jorm] 22:10 -!- theEXA [~textual@218.25.129.207] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:10 -!- theEXA [~textual@218.25.129.207] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:10 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:10 -!- Moe_{afk} is now known as Moe_Epsilon 22:11 < legoktm> WOOOH 22:11 < bazinga> __|__ 22:11 < Moe_Epsilon> o_O 22:12 < ihaveamac> ? 22:12 < bazinga> Go home 22:13 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 22:13 -!- Guerillero [d1f32608@wikipedia/Guerillero] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:13 < bazinga> Je suis fatigué de la même chose pour les enfants et les autres régions en plus de renseignements. 22:14 < bazinga> Desolé je suis en train d'essayer de faire un petit peu de temps en ce moment. 22:22 < SigmaWP> bazinga: Avons-nous perdu? ;-; 22:22 < Jasper_Deng> qui est "nous"? 22:23 < SigmaWP> Les nationalistes canadiens 22:23 < bazinga> Les gagnants ont dû perdus. 22:23 < Jasper_Deng> lol 22:23 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has quit [Quit: Steven_Zhang] 22:23 * Jasper_Deng reminds bazinga of what he told him about regarding Sharks and Canucks 22:24 < bazinga> ? 22:25 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has quit [Quit: PWNT] 22:25 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:26 < ChrisGualtieri> Lol I thought this message was directed at me for sending Wikilove by my watchlist. LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARyulong&diff=554076024&oldid=554075819 22:29 < SigmaWP> [22:11:25] �<�legoktm�>� WOOOH 22:29 < SigmaWP> :| 22:29 < legoktm> We won! 22:29 < bazinga> Les gagnants ont perdus. 22:30 * Jasper_Deng thinks it's les gagnants ont perdu 22:30 < bazinga> Jasper deng I'm using my phone autocorrectius 22:34 -!- Pink|TV is now known as PinkAmpersand 22:36 < bazinga> What ever happened to alpha quadrant 22:36 < bazinga> I sort of forgot about him 22:39 < SigmaWP> He was on irc not long ago 22:39 < Matthew_> bazinga: Hey, you're still here! :D 22:40 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:40 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:40 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:40 < bazinga> Nope 22:40 < Matthew_> LIES! 22:40 < bazinga> Brb guitar 22:43 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:47 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:55 -!- Susan [sex@wikipedia/MZMcBride] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:55 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56 -!- Susan [sex@wikipedia/MZMcBride] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:56 -!- wctaiwan [8c701e84@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:00 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:04 < wctaiwan> is it "fall back on" or "fall back to"? 23:05 -!- ChrisGualtieri [328598c0@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:05 < heatherw> depends on context 23:05 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has quit [Quit: PWNT] 23:06 < wctaiwan> "A solution is to fall back [on|to] relying on mobile data networks when direct connection is impossible or unreliable." 23:06 < wctaiwan> that's the context. 23:07 < bazinga> on 23:07 < SigmaWP> to 23:07 < bazinga> Ton 23:07 < wctaiwan> what's the difference? 23:07 < bazinga> (to flows better imo) 23:07 < wctaiwan> ta mere. 23:07 < SigmaWP> tu madre 23:07 < wctaiwan> anyway, what's the difference? 23:08 < bazinga> Contexte 23:08 < bazinga> Alors je vais aller niquer ta mère. 23:08 < bazinga> Sans la chauochuc 23:09 < wctaiwan> I assume chauochuc is condom. 23:09 < heatherw> because it says, "fall back xx relying on"… fall back on relying on is an awkward sentence. 23:09 < wctaiwan> okay, I might reword that, but still, when should to be used? 23:10 < heatherw> 'fall back to' may be part of a sentence but is not an idiom. 23:11 < wctaiwan> right, okay. 23:11 < wctaiwan> so that example I saw was probably just wrong. 23:12 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@d207-216-143-248.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:12 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@d207-216-143-248.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:12 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@wikipedia/mkdw] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:12 -!- LtNOWIS is now known as LtNOWIS|sleep 23:12 < heatherw> you might say, "A solution is to fall back on mobile data networks when direct… etc" relying is a bit redundant 23:14 < wctaiwan> right, thanks. 23:14 -!- PinkAmpersand is now known as Pink|away 23:14 < heatherw> :) 23:16 -!- Moe_Epsilon is now known as Moe_{sleep} 23:17 * wctaiwan plays music really loud next to Moe_{sleep}'s room 23:17 < wctaiwan> ;-) 23:17 -!- E-H-Gerd [8182ee2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.130.238.45] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:17 * Moe_{sleep} knees wctaiwan in the groin and goes back to sleep 23:18 < wctaiwan> :< 23:18 < wctaiwan> anyway, class time. 23:18 -!- wctaiwan [8c701e84@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [] 23:21 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24 -!- aghastEVK [ThrashIRC@122.151.74.30] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:24 < russavia> mareklug -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/faerberg/8717196813/in/contacts/ --russia stronk! 23:24 -!- Susan [sex@wikipedia/MZMcBride] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:25 -!- aghastEVK [ThrashIRC@122.151.74.30] has left #wikipedia-en [] 23:25 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:30 -!- Susan [sex@wikipedia/MZMcBride] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:30 < MJ94> gwickwire: poke 23:30 < bazinga> Mj94 23:30 < MJ94> bazinga 23:30 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:31 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:32 < Matthew_> Admin around? I need a page nuked real quick. 23:33 < SigmaWP> Matthew_: bazinga needs your advice 23:33 < SigmaWP> xP 23:33 < bazinga> No 23:33 < Matthew_> ?! 23:33 < bazinga> Fine 23:34 < bazinga> Matthew_ there's a girl named Stacy... 23:34 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - bai] 23:34 < bazinga> I thought I liked her 23:34 < bazinga> But her mom.. 23:34 < bazinga> Has really got it going on. 23:35 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:36 < Matthew_> Dude... you sound confused right now. Sleep on it. 23:36 < bazinga> *sigh* 23:37 < Moe_{sleep}> no more Fountain of Wayne for you 23:38 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:42 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:43 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has quit [Client Quit] 23:43 * Matthew_ still needs an admin real quick 23:46 < bazinga> Matthew_ how badly 23:47 < bazinga> I could find one 23:47 < Matthew_> I need a page deleted to make way for me to fix a cross-namespace page move deboggle. 23:47 < Matthew_> (not by me, just cleaning up :P ) 23:47 < bazinga> !admin Matthew needs Halp 23:48 < Matthew_> ... I was trying to avoid that, actually :P *headdesks* Thanks addi 23:54 -!- Dcoetzee [kvirc@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:54 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has quit [Quit: I'm the greatest pirate-hunter in the world! 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