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| | '''Evidence for the Arbitration Committee''' | | '''Evidence for the Arbitration Committee''' |
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| − | This page is the evidence presented by Wikipedia editor [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peter_Damian Peter Damian] (and his previous accounts) to the Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFAR Arbitration committee] in order to contest the community ban placed upon him by Jimmy Wales on 6 September 2008 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_banned_users&diff=236848985&oldid=236825048]. The ban was for an alleged "history of harassment, and off-site attacks" against the Wikipedia administrator known as ''FT2''. | + | This page is the evidence presented by Wikipedia editor [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peter_Damian Peter Damian] (and his previous accounts) to the Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFAR Arbitration committee] in order to contest the community ban placed upon him in August 2009. The ban was for an alleged "history of harassment, and off-site attacks" against the Wikipedia administrator known as ''FT2''. |
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| | '''Defence'''. Principled and good-faith criticism of another person is not the same thing as a personal attack or harassment. Everyone accepts that fair and principled criticism of another editor's action is essential to the continued survival of the Wikipedia project. But the evidence below shows that my criticism of the editor called FT2 has been principled and in good faith. My actions should not therefore be labelled as 'harassment'. | | '''Defence'''. Principled and good-faith criticism of another person is not the same thing as a personal attack or harassment. Everyone accepts that fair and principled criticism of another editor's action is essential to the continued survival of the Wikipedia project. But the evidence below shows that my criticism of the editor called FT2 has been principled and in good faith. My actions should not therefore be labelled as 'harassment'. |
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| | In the section [[#Criticism of FT2 | Criticism of FT2]] I argue that FT2's contributions to the Wikipedia project are net negative. The point is not the criticism itself, but to set out the reasons why I have been critical, and to show why these were made in good faith. (Even if the criticism was misplaced, it was nonetheless ''bona fide'', and should not be misconstrued as 'harassment'). | | In the section [[#Criticism of FT2 | Criticism of FT2]] I argue that FT2's contributions to the Wikipedia project are net negative. The point is not the criticism itself, but to set out the reasons why I have been critical, and to show why these were made in good faith. (Even if the criticism was misplaced, it was nonetheless ''bona fide'', and should not be misconstrued as 'harassment'). |
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| − | Finally, the section [[#Blocks of Peter Damian | Blocks of Peter Damian]] shows how my blocks (and now the ban) are the direct result of my good faith and principled criticism of FT2's administrative actions in the project. A community ban is therefore entirely disproportionate.
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| − | == The Arbitration Committee (September 2008) ==
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FayssalF FayssalF] szvestgmail.com
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FloNight FloNight]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FT2 FT2] ft2wikipedia.inboxgmail.com
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jdforrester Jdforrester] jdforrestergmail.com
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jpgordon Jpgordon] user.jpgordongmail.com
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kirill_Lokshin Kirill_Lokshin] kirill.lokshingmail.com
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Morven Morven] morvengmail.com
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Newyorkbrad Newyorkbrad] Newyorkbradgmail.com
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sam_Blacketer Sam_Blacketer] sam.blacketergmail.com
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thebainer Thebainer] stephen.baingmail.com
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:YellowMonkey YellowMonkey]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFAR Requests for arbitration page]
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| | == Peter Damian Background == | | == Peter Damian Background == |
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| − | The following summarises the articles to which I have made significant contributions in my time at Wikipedia. The articles in bold are those to which I was the main contributor, and whose subject is important or notable (e.g. ''History of logic'', which had not been covered properly until 2008). My main area of expertise is in Anglo-American analytic philosophy (I graduated from a top-class British university in the 1970's, did my PhD there, and taught there until the late 1980's. I have published in a number of good quality journals, and continue to work and publish, although I no longer teach). I also have an interest in medieval philosophy, and set theory and mathematics. My contributions to the project mostly reflect these specialisms. | + | The following summarises the articles to which I have made significant contributions in my time at Wikipedia. The articles in bold are those to which I was the main contributor, and whose subject is important or notable (e.g. ''History of logic'', which had not been covered properly until 2008). My main area of expertise is in Anglo-American analytic philosophy (I graduated from a good British university in the 1970's, did my PhD there, and taught there until the late 1980's. I have published in a number of good quality journals, and continue to work and publish, although I no longer teach). I also have an interest in medieval philosophy, and set theory and mathematics. My contributions to the project mostly reflect these specialisms. |
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| | For the entire time I have edited at Wikipedia I have been concerned about the way that experts are treated on the project (often with disdain, often with complete misunderstanding of the principles underlying true expert editing). I was a founder member of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Expert_retention Expert retention project]. | | For the entire time I have edited at Wikipedia I have been concerned about the way that experts are treated on the project (often with disdain, often with complete misunderstanding of the principles underlying true expert editing). I was a founder member of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Expert_retention Expert retention project]. |
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| | These criticisms are harsh. But they are not ''personal''. | | These criticisms are harsh. But they are not ''personal''. |
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| − | ===FIRST EVER BLOCK BY 'CHILLUM'===
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| − | This is worth putting in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Renamed_user_4&diff=prev&oldid=112671072]. My first block by administrator 'High in BC' now known as 'Chillum'. I said "I'm afraid your attitude was pompous. Sorry." and was promptly blocked.
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| − | ===THE FT2 BLOCKS===
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| − | I first came into contact with FT2 in the early part of 2007. A group of editors on the philosophy pages were concerned about a user (who has since been [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ALudvikus blocked for 2 years]). FT2 was called upon to mediate. This process, which should have been simply a matter of blocking the offender, was an interminably drawn-out affair, protracted by FT2's insistence that every point of view should be represented. This was incorrect, and not consistent with Wikipedia policy, which requires an approach defined by reliable secondary source material. This incident was instrumental in causing a good editor (the Oxford philosopher and Wikipedia administrator Mel Etitis) to leave the project for good.
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| − | This prompted me to look at FT2's edit history, where I soon found (in early 2007, note) his work on bestiality and neurolinguistic programming. I did not bring this up at the time because he was merely another editor, and I had no idea of the immense power that he was beginning to acquire on the project.
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| − | My interest in him revived in December 2007 when I noticed that he was standing for the influential and important Arbitration Committee of Wikipedia. The chronology of the blocks is given below.
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| − | === BLOCK NUMBER ONE 4 December 2007 ===
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| − | This was the only block which was justified, in my view. I placed a number of questions to the candidate, at least two of which were (with hindsight) were spectacularly misjudged. I apologised quickly, and was unblocked.
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| − | 08:31: "how many more good editors must be outraged to the point of quitting — how much more crap editing of flagship articles does it take" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2007/Candidate_statements/FT2/Questions_for_the_candidate&diff=prev&oldid=175674457] This remark stands. I was referring to his actions in early 2007 which were instrumental in driving at least one editor from the philosophy project, and which seriously damaged relationships between the administrators and the philosophy editors.
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| − | 08:35 - "For the record, can you give us your assurance that none of your activities would attract the attention of the authorities, and thus lead to your incarceration at Her Majesty's Pleasure, thus preventing your duties at Arbcom?" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2007/Candidate_statements/FT2/Questions_for_the_candidate&diff=prev&oldid=175674780 4 December 2007 Your position as an animal lover]
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| − | 12:54 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2007/Candidate_statements/FT2/Questions_for_the_candidate&diff=prev&oldid=175698018 4 December 2007 - unusual themes]
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| − | 17:26 - I went too far and made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Radiant!&diff=175736913&oldid=175736285 a comment] which I regret, but which I unreservedly apologised for: “OK I'm sorry for that. I will delete it and promise to make no further remarks of that sort if you remove the block. Please. edward 18:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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| − | 18:30 - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Renamed_user_4&diff=175764532&oldid=175763938#FT2_and_lunacy A discussion] which clarifies what my allegations actually are. “I repeat, these are '''nothing to do with his private life'''. He has made public statements in articles in WP that are POV, and intended to support human sex with animals. '''His private life is his own affair'''. His public statements are such as to bring disrepute to the project. edward (buckner) 18:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)” [Note that FT2 has alleged that this claim came 'much later'. This diff clearly disproves that].
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| − | 18:54 - Scribe challenges me to produce any edits. "'''You have still yet to provide a single diff of these allegedly POV edits'''". WjBscribe 18:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Renamed_user_4&diff=175764532&oldid=175763938#FT2_and_lunacy]
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| − | 18:57 - I comment on the absence of diffs. “On the other talk page, '''someone disputed whether I have links. Yes I do. I had hoped we could do without that'''. I would be happy if FT2 withdrew, and we ended this. It is not in the interests of this project to escalate this.”
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| − | 19:36 – Scribe unblocks (see block log below). I apologise again. “It was a momentary aberration”.
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| − | 19:44 - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=175765662 Again] I emphasise that my issue is what FT2 writes in Wikipedia, not what he may or may not do in his spare time.
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| − | "The block has been removed, as I apologised. I leave it up to you as to guidelines on what to do with the page. It mostly consists of links, and some discussion. My point relates only to PUBLIC statements, on WP, made by the user in question". [Damian] 19:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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| − | === BLOCK NUMBER TWO 6 December 2007 ===
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| − | This block was more complex. The official reason was 'legal threat'. The terms of unblock included supplying diffs to edits by FT2. These edits were immediately 'oversighted', i.e. deleted from the Wikipedia database<ref>This is a long story in itself. Scribe has since admitted that the edits were by FT2, and were deleted. We still do not know who deleted the edits</ref>. Note that I have never accused FT2 of any deviant sexual practices. My issue with this editor was (and remains) his biased and slanted editing aimed at normalising the practice of bestiality, and his arbitrarily blocking or banning of editors who aimed at restoring NPOV to the articles on this subject. I also expressed concern about FT2's promotion of pseudo-scientific subjects on the project.
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| − | 13:31 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2007/Candidate_statements/FT2/Questions_for_the_candidate&diff=prev&oldid=175918157 Concern about anti-scientific bias]
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| − | 13:37: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2007/Candidate_statements/FT2/Questions_for_the_candidate&diff=prev&oldid=175918890 Concern about "scientific scepticism"]
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| − | 18:32 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2007/Candidate_statements/FT2/Questions_for_the_candidate&diff=prev&oldid=175970978 FT2 bullying]
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| − | 20:00 Wednesday 5 December - a dialogue with Scribe [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WJBscribe&diff=next&oldid=176045631#Favour_asked] which shows that my apologies about my remarks during the campaign, my offers of blanking page and so on, were accepted, Berry and others. Postlethwaite was mildly reproved for having escalated the situation (which he certainly did – “you're cruising for block No.2”). Berry “I don't think threatening more blocks here is wise. [Damian] is not a troll, he is a longstanding solid contributor in good standing.”
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| − | 20:17 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giano_II&diff=prev&oldid=176137862#Help I ask for help from Giano] - this part contains the now infamous remark "I have contacted the relevant organisations. " That evening I made the blog post which referenced the Zoophilia article. Note this post did not mention FT2 by name - it simply criticised the extreme bias that I saw in the article.
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| − | On Thursday 6 December the Yogacara network [http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:zD0rFBUv_iYJ:www.yogacara.net/node/21699+wikibestia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk replicates] the blog Thu, 2007-12-06 09:16. This was the turning point in the whole affair. The Yocagara network simply copies my blog (which is mostly about philosophy and medieval logic) every day, so that others can read it. I was not aware of this at the time. I had posted about the elections - not mentioning FT2 by name - and, at Scribes request, took a morning off work to delete the post and ask Veggieboards to remove a thread. I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2007/Vote/FT2&diff=prev&oldid=176111122 strike through] my vote in the elections. I retire from Wikipedia. My [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Renamed_user_4&diff=prev&oldid=176142092 talk page] for 13:15 shows me apologising to Ryan Postlethwaite under duress. “Ok I no longer plan to pursue in any context. You win.” This caused some puzzlement, the reason was WP:IP. I deny ever having made a legal threat.
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| − | The [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=176877164#User:Dbuckner ANI page] shows clearly the unblock was made by Postlethwaite (13:15 UTC), but then reapplied by Scribe. The chronology is important, and should be read with the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&user=&page=User:Dbuckner block log] showing Scribe blocks at 14:53 for "serious off-wiki campaign of harassment and attacks against another editor" even though I had removed everything and had made promises. Scribe initially accepted that the blog post had been deleted, but then the wretched Yogacara network replicated it (it shortly disappeared as part of the replication process, but Scribe refused to believe this was an accident).
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| − | On Saturday 8 December the two Zoophilia edits were oversighted. See [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=17576&view=findpost&p=95284 here] for details on what the edits contained, and [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=17576&st=0&p=111850&#entry111850 here] for some of the evidence that they were oversighted.
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| − | This was a very bad result. Aside from fixing the outcome, it also left me with a very unfair black mark of "harassing" FT2, and left me with a ''de facto'' shoot-on-sight probation, administered by the same crowd of gullible administrators who have gathered round FT2. These have been indefinitely blocking me any time he challenges FT2's administrative actions surrounding the articles in question, each time citing the last bad block as the reason for the new one.
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| − | I returned to editing in May 2008 after my block had been overturned. There was no explanation of why or who was responsible (it was via a private message from another editor who had discussing this with the Arbitration committee). People should perhaps ask themselves why this was - my assumption was that the whole matter was too embarrassing to discuss in public. And that the whole thing could be swept under the carpet by inviting me back to edit quietly. Apart from a rather unpleasant message that FT2 left on my talk page, no conditions were demanded. With hindsight, it was a mistake to accept this arrangement. Admins were left with the impression that severe conditions had been set on my activities, I was under the impression that FT2 was under some kind of secret censure or prohibition by the Arbitration Committee, or Wales.
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| − | In an even stranger incident, I was blocked "for personal attack or harassment" when I [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/NLP_Modeling nominated] one of FT2's idiosyncratic amateur psychology articles for deletion. The block review is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=231762926#Peter_Damian_block_review here], also refer to my [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20080814&target=Peter_Damian contributions] to 13 August 2008. According to the blocking admin, I was indefinitely blocked "for continuing the same harassment that resulted in [the] prior block". I was accused of 'continuing to go after FT2' simply because I had asked him [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:FT2&diff=next&oldid=231624536 politely] if he had a conflict of interest <ref>there is a suspicion in the community, frequently voiced, that FT2 has a business involvement in NLP and that the many articles he has written on the subject are an attempt (a successful one indeed ) to put an academic gloss on this pseudoscientific gibberish by means of Wikipedia</ref>. I was also accused of editing pedophilia articles - why this should have been a problem, I do not know<ref>My involvement with these articles had been my objection to Jules Verne being labelled a pedophile, and to several of the strange claims being made in the 'historical couples' article - this involvement at the explicit request of the administrator called 'Thatcher'.</ref>.
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| − | This earned me a block, which was rapidly revoked. The fellow apologised, and I apologised to him in turn for my notoriously short temper. I have since been criticised for 'wanting the guy's head'. Well, as Giano said, "I cannot see how placing an AFD tag on an article that looks like this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Epistemic_theory_of_miracles&oldid=235165582], without bothering to perform any basic checking can be anything other than trolling or monumantal ignorance. Whether the former or the latter should such an editor be running around loose on Wikipedia". <ref>Giano (talk) 15:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=235455305#book_burning_break]</ref> And in any case ''I was only asking the fellow to apologise''.
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| − | However, Wales made the block himself [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Jimbo+Wales&page=User%3APeter+Damian&year=&month=-1], commenting "It's one thing to say "I don't agree with this decision, can we talk about it?" It is quite another thing to say things like 'All hail, chief of security and protector of the community, FT2. The bodies of the guilty and the innocent burn together with that sweet sickly smell of death, in the pit, in the morning.'" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=236845389&oldid=236842333]
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| − | Wales suggested I could come back if I apologised to FT2. I have thought about that. On the other hand, FT2 has made many personal attacks against me, so I see little reason for an apology unless it were returned. There remains, in any case, the matter of the blocks that FT2 has imposed on ''other'' good contributors to the project, and there remains the fact that FT2 is deeply committed to pseudoscientific subjects. This makes him unsuitable in my view for holding an influential position on the remain. I am not saying the project should be run by academics. However the commitment to neutrality should be sacrosanct, and this will not be achieved when such a senior person as FT2 holds such influence.
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| − | === Relevant accounts and logs ===
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| − | * [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=19188 December block on Wikipedia review]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Peter_Damian Peter Damian]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hinnibilis Hinnibilis] (Doppelganger account)
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Renamed_user_4 Renamed user 4] (renamed for personal reasons)
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| − | Damian block logs:
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Peter+Damian Damian blocks]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Dbuckner Renamed user 4 blocks]
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| − | * 4 December 2007 Radiant! (Smear campaign)
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| − | * 29 June 2008 Ryan Postlethwaite (Harassment)
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| − | * 13 August 2008 (MBisanz - personal attack or harassment)
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| − | * 01:45, 31 August 2008 by Coren (incivility)
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| − | * 23:11, 6 September 2008 by Jimbo Wales (harassment)
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| − | === August 2009 community ban ===
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| − | I was banned again on 3rd August 2009. The ban was for placing a 'sockpuppet' tag on the User:TBP page, and for posting evidence of this on the Damian talk page. This was in violation of a previous order by the Arbitration committee that FT2 and I should not interact in any way on Wikipedia.
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| − | My action was prompted by the dismissal of the Wikipedia administrator Geogre for supposedly abusing alternate accounts, and FT2's sanctimonious condemnation of Geogre for doing so.
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions&diff=prev&oldid=304925974#Statement_by_FT2 FT2 statement on the Geogre case]
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| − | * [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=25140&view=findpost&p=185961 my first comment on Wikipedia review]
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| − | * [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=25140&view=findpost&p=186037 FT2 comment about the sock account here]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=305913572#Peter_Damian Community ban]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:FT2&oldid=305806475#Question denies he was owner of TBP account]
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| − | * [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=19776&view=findpost&p=188864 FT2 on Damian the Martyr]
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| − | See also the [[Directory:The Wikipedia Point of View/TBP|evidence]] for FT2 ownership of the TBP account.
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| − | ==June 2010 Unblock petition==
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| − | *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=367426775#Proposal_to_unblock_Peter_Damian]. Some priceless comments.
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| − | ==Alternative accounts==
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| − | === Logicist alternative account ===
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| − | *An account [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Logicist] was created in order to considerably expand the article on History of Logic [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_logic&diff=309565232&oldid=309405231].
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| − | *The previous version of the article (which the Damian account largely created) only went up to the early nineteenth century. Logicist has got as far as Russell's paradox. The account was then blocked by an adminstrator [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikaey&diff=309961515&oldid=309961434].
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| − | * Tarantino begins the thread. "Not many editors have their own autobiography, Benji is perhaps the only one to have two. His [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_Pusspuss DJ Pusspuss] persona is a self-described American club, mobile and event DJ, music reviewer, activist and event producer. While [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Kitty_Catalyst_O.C.P. Sister Kitty Catalyst O.C.P.] is a self-described uber-nun and homo-propagandist." [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=26493]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Land_Surveyor Land Surveyor] nominates 'Pusspuss' article for deletion[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/DJ_Pusspuss_(2nd_nomination)&diff=prev&oldid=312009825]
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| − | * The other article also nominated by someone else [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sister_Kitty_Catalyst_O.C.P.]
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| − | * Land Surveyor is blocked for his effrontery [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AThe+Land+Surveyor]
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| − | * User Crafty is also admonished for daring to point out the obvious. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=312412517#Sister_Kitty_Catalyst_O.C.P..2C_DJ_Pusspuss.2C_Benjamin_Holman.2C_and_an_editor_who_shall_remain_nameless]
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| − | ** And shortly afterwards, indefinitely blocked. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ACraftyminion]
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| − | ===Others===
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Petrus_Damianus Petrus Damianus]. Worked on Excluded Middle [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Petrus_Damianus].
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| − | ** Also created an article on Osmund Lewry in user space, which someone else copied into mainspace, causing an amusing thread at ANI [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=315050298#Page_copied_from_MyWikiBiz_.3F]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Previously_banned_user Previously_banned_user] worked on Columba Ryan [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Previously_banned_user]. The account was blocked before the article was completed, by checkuser [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3APreviously+banned+user]. The checkuser was challenged, on the grounds that there was no abuse, but the the objection was that it could be used "be used to fight vandalism, to check for sockpuppet abuse, and to limit disruption of the project"[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Previously_banned_user].
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Cement_of_the_Universe The_Cement_of_the_Universe], working on and trying to complete the same article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Peter_Damian]. Absurdly, the article on Ryan was nominated for deletion on the grounds it was written by a banned user [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Columba_Ryan&oldid=314943937].
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| − | * User ''Short-lived account'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Short_lived_account] was a short-term account created to fix Wikipedia's problem about the birth date of Duns Scotus - given as 1270, 1265, 1266 in the same article and 1264 in another article. On discovering that SLA was a 'banned user', User:Beeblebrox reverted these edits as follows
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| − | ** He changes the birth date of Scotus from 1265 to 1264 (as well as re-creating a dead link to John Pecham), with the comment "Reverted 3 edits by Short-lived account identified as vandalism" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greyfriars,_Oxford&diff=342767078&oldid=342476230]
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| − | ** Reverts edits by Short-lived account to the Scotus article [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Duns_Scotus&diff=342767071&oldid=342552308] that revert the birth date of Scotus changes Scotus from the correct 1265 back to 1264.
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| − | ** Warnings about 'aiding banned users'. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fram&diff=prev&oldid=343112536], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChildofMidnight&diff=343094273&oldid=343082711]
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| − | ** Admission that Wikipedia wouldn't be much fun if they stopped IP editing and moved to single account [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChildofMidnight&diff=343021965&oldid=343015245]
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| − | ** Astonishing admission by administrator [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=344171938&oldid=344170867] " I don't understand the people who feel that content is more important than anything else [...] I'll continue to block his socks and delete his contributions, and ignore him otherwise.
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| − | ** A strange interpretation of 'consensus' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=344360852&oldid=344360669]
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| − | * Users [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HistorianofLogic HistorianofLogic] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Logic_Historian Logic Historian].
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| − | ** A wonderful pile-up here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=348305548#Logic_Historian], and here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chillum&oldid=348240905]. Oh yes and here! [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=348331443#Unblock_of_Malleus_Fatuorum_by_Moni3]. Lovely.
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| − | *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:From_the_other_side From the other side] Taking 'History of logic' to FAC.
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| − | **[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/History_of_logic/archive1 FAC archive]
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| − | **[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Featured_article_candidates&oldid=350077810#FAC_disruption FAC_disruption]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_logic&diff=prev&oldid=367153592 Here for a bit] reverts edits made by a problem user. [http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/06/avicennian-logic.html This post] refers to the problem, see also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Athenean&oldid=367152624#Jagged_85 this]. The edit was reverted, and 'here for a bit' banned.
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| − | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Civility&oldid=239748443#Discussion_of_civility_at_recent_Request_for_Arbitration Recent discussion (September 2008]
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| − | [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Giano/On_civility_%26_Wikipedia_in_general Giano on civility]
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| − | == FT2 personal attacks ==
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| − | === On Giano ===
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giano_II&oldid=180177192#Edits_to_IRC-related_page FT2 Christmas present to Giano]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giano_II&oldid=201366691#Thoughts Thoughts on Giano]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giano_II&oldid=201081492#Please_see_here FT2 block of Giano March 2008]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:FT2&diff=206235269&oldid=206227942 Even an arbitrator] gets uncomfortable with FT2's interminable psychologising.
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&oldid=201181797#Giano_II] FT's block of Giano during the Arbcom 'civility parole'.
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| − | *[http://wikidefender.blogspot.com/2008/03/malignant-malcontent-giano-still-on.html See also] the 'Defender of the Wiki' for a satirical take on the Giano-FT2 dispute.
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| − | === On Damian ===
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Peter_Damian&oldid=235215659#Comment_by_FT2 Comment_by_FT2] 2 May 2008 on Damian return
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hinnibilis&oldid=223911996#Comment Another nasty comment]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/NLP_Modeling/Evidence A whole page of crappy 'evidence' for FT2 psychobabble]
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| − | == Community reaction to Damian block ==
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Philosophy&oldid=240984860#Peter_Damian Notice on the philosophy page]
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| − | **[http://www.cognitive-edge.com/blogs/dave/2008/12/wikipedia_the_dark_side.php Wikipedia - the Dark Side]
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| − | ** [http://www.cognitive-edge.com/blogs/dave/2008/09/wikipedia_dont_offend_the_mast.php don't offend the master(s) of the universe]
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&oldid=243370681#Arbitrator_views_and_discussion_2 Convincing evidence] that FT2 really misunderstands scientific method.
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| − | * Community reaction to FT2. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump/Arbitration_Committee_Feedback&oldid=269307813#FT2]
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| − | ==Where are they now?==
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=328582265#David_Gerard David Gerard] - "For repeatedly failing to maintain proper decorum in public fora, and for unwarranted dissemination of private data acquired using privileged rights, checkuser and oversight rights are revoked from David Gerard (talk · contribs), and he is removed from the functionary list effective immediately."
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Law user:Law] - banned from Wikipedia.
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pastor_Theo 'Pastor Theo'] - banned.
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jennavecia 'Lara'] - admin rights removed.
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| − | *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tenant23 Tenant23] - "This user has been blocked indefinitely because CheckUser confirms that he or she has abusively used one or more accounts".
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mythdon User:Mythdon] "This user has been banned from editing Wikipedia for a period of 6 months by the Arbitration Committee."
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chillum&diff=prev&oldid=323178670 User Chillum] "This editor is on acid. Please take any strangeness in stride." See also [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=27119&hl=chillum].
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| − | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Roux Roux] - frequently blocked for personal attacks - still blocked as of February 2010.
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Evidence for the Arbitration Committee
This page is the evidence presented by Wikipedia editor Peter Damian (and his previous accounts) to the Wikipedia Arbitration committee in order to contest the community ban placed upon him in August 2009. The ban was for an alleged "history of harassment, and off-site attacks" against the Wikipedia administrator known as FT2.
Defence. Principled and good-faith criticism of another person is not the same thing as a personal attack or harassment. Everyone accepts that fair and principled criticism of another editor's action is essential to the continued survival of the Wikipedia project. But the evidence below shows that my criticism of the editor called FT2 has been principled and in good faith. My actions should not therefore be labelled as 'harassment'.
Summary. The sections below contain detailed evidence in the form of 'diffs' (time-dated edits to the Encyclopedia). First, I present a list of the articles I have written (or been the main contributor to) since June 2003. This shows beyond reasonable doubt that I have been a good-faith contributor to the 'mainspace' (article space) of Wikipedia over a long period. I have never had a block for an 'edit war' over an article, and nearly all my articles have stayed in their original form to the present date (September 2008).
In the section concerns about Wikipedia I present the issues that I feel are dividing the project. The first problem is the rise of an administrative 'class' in Wikipedia whose priority has shifted from writing an encyclopedia to the blocking of vandals and abusive 'sockpuppets' (multiple accounts). While they are a solution to a real problem (vandalism caused by the lack of editorial vetting) they have become a Frankenstein's monster that is almost destroying the project (which is to write an encylopedia). The second problem that afflicts Wikipedia is the proliferation of 'cruft' and of crank material. (Cruft is non-encyclopedic, unsourced material that is placed in the encyclopedia for financial gain, since Wikipedia gets a high or top ranking in most search engines, crank is material that is tendentious, non-encyclopedic, and unsourced).
In the section Criticism of FT2 I argue that FT2's contributions to the Wikipedia project are net negative. The point is not the criticism itself, but to set out the reasons why I have been critical, and to show why these were made in good faith. (Even if the criticism was misplaced, it was nonetheless bona fide, and should not be misconstrued as 'harassment').
Peter Damian Background
The following summarises the articles to which I have made significant contributions in my time at Wikipedia. The articles in bold are those to which I was the main contributor, and whose subject is important or notable (e.g. History of logic, which had not been covered properly until 2008). My main area of expertise is in Anglo-American analytic philosophy (I graduated from a good British university in the 1970's, did my PhD there, and taught there until the late 1980's. I have published in a number of good quality journals, and continue to work and publish, although I no longer teach). I also have an interest in medieval philosophy, and set theory and mathematics. My contributions to the project mostly reflect these specialisms.
For the entire time I have edited at Wikipedia I have been concerned about the way that experts are treated on the project (often with disdain, often with complete misunderstanding of the principles underlying true expert editing). I was a founder member of the Expert retention project.
Mathematics, logic and set theory
Philosophy and Logic
Medieval philosophy and logic
Aristotle
Biographies
Gospel music
Architecture
My concerns about Wikipedia
I still remain deeply committed to the project. I have a background in teaching (which is still an important part of my job) I and I love the idea of communicating difficult ideas about intellectual history in a plain and jargon-free way. Wikipedia is a brilliant way of doing this and in some ways it works very well. But it is plagued by a number of problems that the administration has failed to address
First, the shifting of priorities in Wikipedia from writing an encyclopedia, to the blocking of 'vandals'. This is connected with the rise of a apparatchik class of politically adept editors who do not work in article space at all, except to revert vandalism. These administrators are obsessed with a narrow-minded conception of civility, and they tend to regard good-faith but strongly-worded objections as a form of vandalism. It is no coincidence that my first block ever, four years since I began editing, was over my strongly-worded complaints over the departure of a good editor Worldtraveller, because of a spectacularly ill-judged block[1].
Second, by a plague of cruft, promotional and crank material on an almost Biblical scale. I include in the latter (crank) category the rash of articles on 'alternative sexuality', for example the atrocious Historical and cultural perspectives on zoophilia and Pederasty are excellent examples of the latter. Now these subjects should certainly be dealt with in an encyclopedia. But dealt with carefully. They should engage with the problem that there is little mainstream academic research on such subject, and that almost any theory about it is bound to be speculation. [2]. An article on the subject of bestiality, for instance, should stick to broad statistics, medical views, carefully balanced views of ethicists, and should avoid academic research that is now known to be flawed or slanted. Anything else is pure original research, and does not belong on the project. Another example is Neurolinguistic programming. This falls in between the areas of crank psychology and promotional material.
Criticism of FT2
The problem with FT2 is that he combines both of the defects above: he is an untalented apparatchik with a penchant for blocking decent but abrasive content contributors, and the kind of promoter of crank material and cruft that I have been battling en-wiki for more than five years. He embodies everything that is bad about the project and which needs fixing, as follows:
- He has no real knowledge of the subjects he edits, although he claims to have it.
- He does not really understand the basics of neutral editing (although he claims to[3]). He cites websites and self-published sources. One academic said that "his promotion and advocacy is unsophisticated and lazy in the sense that it is apparently exlusively based on Google". He quotes authors like Nancy Friday, whose work is pure pulp fiction.
- He does not understand the principles of peer review. He imagines the fact that someone is published in the field, or has a doctorate, or is well-known, or has had their writings vetted by somebody else of note, is of itself sufficient to merit inclusion in an article. His understanding of the relative merits of publications is seriously flawed, e.g. in referencing journals like the one published by The International Society for Anthrozoology (which is not a recognised journal). The following list suggests he is unable to distinguish between a training course and a university department.
- He persistently misattributes material. For example, he claimed that the eminent linguist George Lakoff had endorsed Neurolinguistic programming - a significant and important fact if true, but had he bothered to check his source, he would have seen that the quote was not by Lakoff.
- He misunderstands the Wikipedia policy prohibiting 'synthesis'. See this for his citations of papers that do not mention Neurolinguistic programming at all, but are cited as if they did. Synthesis is a type of original research that is strictly prohibited in Wikipedia.
- If this is pointed out or challenged, he indulges in long-winded denunciations in a way that is guaranteed to escalate hostility, or he conceals his lack of understanding behind an impenetrable thicket of words. This makes any reasonable discussion of the subject matter impossible. At the same time he cloaks himself an aura of righteousness by his interminable invocation of Wikipedia rules and tenets. He tends to personalise all editorial discussion with ad hominem attacks.
- He seems to many to be driven by a personal agenda. One person said that his editorship "absolutely stinks of partiality and POV motivations", and that his claims of making an article "more neutral" amount to watering it down to suit an agenda of which he himself may not be fully conscious. There is a clear advocacy and promotion in FT2s edits.
- His edits are replete with unsubstantiated opinion. One editor said that 'the "NLP and Science" article is a mass of unsubstantiated verbiage" [4].
- His manner seems almost deliberately calculated to annoy and infuriate editors with an academic background. His insistence on absurd and trivialised standards of 'civility' to the exclusion of all editorial or content determined material, is having a marked and deleterious effect on the project.
With the important position he holds on Wikipedia, and the reverential awe in which he is held by less knowledgeable and somewhat impressionable administrators, FT2 exercises a malignant and pernicious influence on the encyclopedia. He has driven off a stream of excellent and well-qualified editors. He has gathered around him a group of administrators who hold him in high esteem for his supposed impartiality and neutrality, and who will block upon a single word from him.
These criticisms are harsh. But they are not personal.
Notes
- ^ WT complained to an administrator that "Your continued rudeness and failure to remotely discuss your controversial administrative actions just confirms for me that you are a terrible administrator. Whatever I can do to get your administrative tools taken away from you, I will do. Worldtraveller 20:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC). [1]. He was blocked for this
- ^ For example, the thesis that the almost universal repulsion against bestialism and man-boy sex is a comparatively modern phenomenon in human history, and that the modern view is a direct result of Judaeo-Christian culture. Supposedly before that most human cultures and societies had a benevolent and supportive attitude to such proclivities. The thesis was proposed (re pedophilia) by Warren Johansson and William Percy (and adopted enthusiastically by NAMBLA), and has an obvious motive: to make a minority seem persecuted, fits snugly into the liberal-left hatred of the church. But it is mere speculation, and there is plenty of evidence against it
- ^ This edit by FT2 clearly shows the problem. FT2 accuses two academic researchers with "persistent cognitive inability to comprehend WP:NPOV and a dozen other standards". FT2 was instrumental in getting both of these experts banned. For the contributions of one of these, see here
- ^ [2]
