Directory:The Wikipedia Point of View/Essjay

=========================== 13 February 2006

My Birthday

Thank you very much! —Lokshin|Kirill LoksLokshin|hin 06:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Meetup

You say you teach on the US East Coast. If you happen to be in the Maryland/Delware/New Jersey/Pennsylvania/Virginia area, you should know that we're having a in Newark, Delaware and you're welcome to join us. I know you have said don't want people to know where you teach, but that doesn't preclude you from attending. [1] 06:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I promise I will consider it strongly. [2] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 06:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Mediation of the Dianetics article

Essjay, I am not really a part of the dispute, but what I have gotten from studying it so far is that ChrisO wants to cite unverifiable documents, Terry points this out. Instead of addressing this dispute about verifiability, it seems Antaeus, Wikipediatrix and Modemac would rather direct the attention on Terry. In my opinion their action is bordering on personal attack and indicates poor faith. Just my opinion to help sort out this dispute. Also see my comments about one of the documents they cite: the Fishman affidavit. It is not a reliable source and has contained reference to forgeries or fabricated "evidence." --[3] 11:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Sathya Sai Baba Mediation

Essjay, thank you for your welcome on my my talk page. Two of the parties readily agreed to have me as a mediator, despite my unofficial status. The third was a bit cautious at first, but agreed to a two week trial mediation. Medation has already started, and a great deal of discussion has taken place at [4]. You have asked for regular reports, however, I'm not sure where they ought to be placed. I'll give a quick summary of where things stand here.

The two sides in the dispute consist of current and former followers of SSB. The current article is heavily weighted with criticism of SSB. All parties have agreed that the weight in the current article needs to be shifted. The "critical" party has agreed, (with some caveats) to add no further critical material until the percentage of critical material falls below 40%. Although the parties agree on the direction toward which the article should move, only very small beginnings have been taken to make these corrections. I have been encouraging the parties to take a two pronged approach of both discussing the issues which separate them, and adding material which might improve the balance. There is a tendency to focus on points of difference to the neglect of taking steps to give the article more balance, although there have been very modest steps. At this point, I am contemplating what ought my next step to be.

I am very honored that you have "deputising" me. That in some ways makes the mediation committee responsible for my actions. I should therefore, probably tell you something of the style of my mediation. My goal is to help the editors to become valuable contributors. I do not see myself as an "arbitrator" -- not in the sense of arbcom, but in the sense that I do not see my job as listening to both sides and then giving my verdict, expecting the parties to agree with me. Rather, I hope to point out to the parties aspects of their situation that they may not have noticed or considered. This may take longer than some on the mediation committee might expect. I also cannot guarrantee that my approach is more likely than others to keep the matter from going to arbcom. I certainly hope that I can help resolve the matter without it going to arbitration, but other mediation committee members might have different opinions than myself regarding what style is effective. I guess I'm warning you in advance that some might find me erring on the side of being insufficiently authoritative. Please consider this if you want the mediation committee to continue to bear some responsibility for my mediation efforts. Thank you. --[5] 16:03, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

It sounds to me like you're on exactly the right path; Wikipedia mediation is intended to be true mediation (faciliation of agreement between willing parties) rather than traditional arbitration. Each mediator has his or her own style, and it is the mix of "flavors" that everyone brings to the table that makes the Committee dynamic. I'm sure you'll do an excellent job!

On the subject of reports, all I ask is that you occasionaly update us on the status of the case; it's more of a housekeeping matter than anything else: We like to know how cases are progressing, so we know what we have before us. The occasional note here, or on the mediation subpage, will do fine.

If we can be of any help, let us know. [6] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 16:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Please help design userpage

Hi Essjay, it's RichardHarrold again. Nothing to do with the blocking thing, but user KHM03 (who, like me, is a big U2 fan) told me this after I asked him if he could copy a userbox he had designed saying 'This User Is A U2 Fan':

Hello...I don't have a regular "U2 fan" template...the one on my userpage is homemade pretty much just for my own page. To tell the truth, I'm not even sure how to go about making it accessible - - I steal often from User:Essjay. Ask him, and he'll point you in the right direction; he's master of all things wiki and an all around good egg. Sorry I couldn't help; I would if I could!

Yeah, a lot of people do that. :-) I'll see if I can't whip you up something before too long. Oh, and don't forget to sign your posts with ~~~~; the software converts it automatically into your username and the date, just like this: [7] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 18:39, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh no, it's RichardHarrold yet again...

Hi Essjay, Could something be done about dividing up [8]? In my little 1024x768 monitor, it goes on for dozens of screenfuls.

You mean the actual page? I'll look into it. (Don't forget to sign: ~~~~) [9] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 18:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Bloody hell, not him AGAIN!

Sorry for making such a pain in the backside of myself, but I wondered if you know anyone who could take the rock album infobox design and create a template User Infobox. Oh, and I can't get that 4 tildas thing to work, either. User:RichardHarrold

I'll check on that too, as for the tildes, you insert them without the < nowiki > tags; I have to use those tags to get the tildes to show up on the page, because if I didn't, the software would think I was signing! [10] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 18:59, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Med

Any cases? -[11]|[12] 21:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Just Need some Help

I have contacted the Administration at Cloverleaf Local Schools and I have a Executive Hunting license I would like A admin to place a tag in that talk page so that they can report it to me so that I can have that person properly corrected. [13] 20:53, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I can't for the life of me figure out what you're talking about; could you be a bit more clear about what pages you're talking about and what exactly you want me to do? [14] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

The new for mediation/Guide

I am trying to follow the new RfM format described in for mediation/Guide. I had already submitted an RfM request under the title for mediation#East Sea (disambiguation) and related pages|East Sea (disambiguation) and related pages before this took effect, but will conform to your standards as much as I can.

However, I noticed a few things, which I'm afraid may need to be fixed/clarified:

1. The {{RFM-Filed|Case name}} tag doesn't seem to be working, and shows up as {{tl|RFM-Filed|Case name}} (a red link).
2. I would like you to manually show me my instructions because adding the {{subst:RFM}} tag gives me no instructions.
3. The linked example is confusing and doesn't show a relevant example where it says "Be sure to provide diff links (like this) to demonstrate that the templates have been added to the relevant article's talk pages and user's talk pages."

Please clarify the 3 issues above, so that I can conform to these new standards.

Other than that, I have understood the need to "add the exact issues that need to be mediated as bullet points." I will add these in after a few hours. Thank you in advance for your assistance.--[15] 20:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, first one fixed: I had made it [16] instead of -Filed; guess that's what happens when you are working on a dozen pages at once. I linked the two, so now either should work.

As for the second, if you will look at the edit view (the box where you actually edit the text) you will see there are instructions hidden inside tags that look like <!-- -->. Those are the instructions for filling out the template. They don't appear in the regular view, but are there when you look at the edit view. (That allows them to be directly on the template, rather than on a separate page.)

For the third: I didn't want to link to an actual dispute, what I was trying to show was that we want to see a view like that. If you'll go to the talk page where you pasted the tag and click the history tab, you'll see links along the left that say "last"; click the one beside the revision where you entered the tag, and it will show you a view with your additions in the right hand column at the top. Copy the link in the address bar, and paste that to RFM. That will allow us to simply click on that link and see where you added the tag; no need to search through the talk page, or be confused if the person removed the tag.

Hope this helps, if not, let me know and I'll try to explain better. [17] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

New RfM format

Hi Essjay. I did notice you churning very progressively through the large list of mediation requests. I appreciate the effort and time you and the mediation committee take on these issues. I would be happy to reformat and will do so in a couple of days if that is okay as I am away for that time and will have hardly any time to get to wiki. I will pass this message on to my co-protagonist also. On that basis can you give me a week say to finalise the new process? Thank you in advance. [18] 22:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem! [19] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

HD 123321

Howdy, I noticed you were the admin who banned {{User|HD 123321}} a few weeks ago, and I wanted to seek your advise. An anon IP, {{User|24.82.136.103}} (possibly the same person as HD 123321 discussed below) and I have been trying to work out a disagreement about the use of the term "Indian" versus "First Nation" in the British Columbia article. Although we both discuss it on the talk page, the reverts are pushing the 3 revert rule (at least in intent) and my patience.

The evidence I have for sockpuppetry to me seems less than solid. It is the similarity in interests (Canadian Politics) and at least one revert to an edit which was nearly identical to an edit by HD 123321 (the edit comparison of edits). I reverted that edit, since it did seem to degrade the quality of the article (removing an image and a template). Aside from that, he also took HD 123321's position in the Squamish discussion, which is how he came to my attention. He has not, however, edited some of the pages HD 123321 was so keen to keep as his version before being banned.

So my question is how to approach this. I am happy to go though a RfC or third opinion, but would like to hear your suggestion, since if is is HD 123321, I suspect that will be a great deal of energy for naught. Thanks for any help you might have, --[20] 23:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, it's a tricky one. Generally, when we suspect sockpuppetry, we run an IP check via Checkuser. However, this is reserved for very serious cases. In this instance, I'd suggest continuing to discuss on the talk page, and if it is only this IP who defies the consensus, then report it on the Administrator's Noticeboard ([21]) and ask for an admin to look into it. If it is a matter of several people on either side, then an RfC might help, but I wouldn't reccommend RfC if it is just one IP causing problems. [22] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks, I will continue trying to discuss the matter on the talk page. Perhaps the difficulty is as much that there have onle ever been four people to discuss the matter on the talk page - the aforementioned anon IP, HD123321, myself and another user, so no clear consensus has emerged (the talk page was signed with several more names, but the posts were added by HD 123321 according to the history). In any event, thanks for the assistance and perhaps with a bit of time it will be resolved. If not I will do as you suggest and post a note on the AN. --[23] 01:09, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Portal Invitation

Dear Essjay,

Late last year, I started up a wikiportal on Christianity, and it has really grown and matured since its beginning. As one of Wikipedia's most knowledgable authorities on Christianity, I would love you to become a member of the portal, which you can do here. As a member, you would not be obliged to do anything, but would be welcome to suggest any improvements and additions to the portal, as well as nominate interesting or well-written Christianity articles, biographies, pictures or DYK items to showcase. You can also suggest favourite scripture passages to be shown! Having you as a member would be a great honour and privilege. What do you think? [24] 00:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a look, and consider joining! [25] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Since you are an experienced mediator. What is the best solution.

I am seeing something really ugly developing and somebody else sees it as well, but I have no knowledge of the subject whatsoever. Maybe you can advice what the best way is to handle it.

Just a timeline:

20:04, 10 February 2006: I welcomed [26]

He is a newbie and his edits got reverted. He thought that I reverted it, so he asked me a question.

09:50, 11 February 2006 [27]

I looked at his contributions and saw that a large section of Lanka had been deleted and that [28] reverted the changes, so I adviced to edit by paragraph.

I just got a message from another user and he says it is a serious flame war and I see the same anonymous user being very uncivil both on the talk page of the newbie and on the Sri Lanka talk page. The problem is that nobody signs anything and I have no idea what it is all about, but it is very uncivil, but I have no idea how to handle it and somehow warning the anonymous user doesn't seem to be a solution either given his temper and his dynamic IP address. What do you suggest? Debug ([29]) 01:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd say bring it to the attention of the admins via the Administrator's Noticeboard ([30]). Other admins will look in on it and comment, and a plan of action will emerge. [31] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Debug ([32]) 00:59, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Holy Moley

Master Essjay, I am always with you. Sometimes I'm more with you than other times. Acid|Acetic Acid 02:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Good to hear; check in more often! ;-) [33] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Blacklist

I left a similar message on another of your talk pages, but I thought I would let you know here, also.

I am an administrator at OmniNerd.com. Recently, I added a hidden (in order to maintain NPOV) information and reference to iTunes article on WP linking to an article recently published on OmniNerd.com. I then left a message for Mushroom to check it out and unhide it if he found it worthy. He said he was unable to do so because "OmniNerd" was listed on a "blacklist." Having checked this out, I found that you added "omninerd.org" to the blacklist. Do you mind if I inquire as to why? [34]^{(talk:Uriah923|talk)} 06:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I responded on my Meta talk. [35] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

CVU IRC admision

I would like to reaply for admision to #wikipedia-en-vandalism the original reason that i was not alowed was because i was too new I currently have 409 Edits most are CVU Please let me Know what you decide thanks [36] 08:50, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Relist yourself at [37] and ask for confirmation in the request channel; when you do, give them a link to here where I said it was okay to admit you. [38] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad, the Greate

I don't know what the reason was to create and publish such an unwise cartoon, but I can guess and imagine the oncoming events in creator's mind when he/she decided to. It was from an ill-minded person who wanted to upraise a new religion conflict that was welcomed by unti-islamic groups and politicians. The conflict may provide the belief in Europeans' mind that the Europeans need to fight the Moslems undoubtedly. The creator of the cartoons, the same as Rushdie, could claim that he/she was abused by politicians for many things other than religion opposing. I am surprised why such a simple and clear result, represented by the world wide riot against the cartoons (which were similar to those against Rushdie, who was called by the Australian TV reporter in the 1995 as "the most hated man in the world") was not obvious for the cartoon creator. The other probability is that the creator was clearly crazy and now needs psychiatrists. This is a famous Asian example that "sometimes a crazy man throws a big stone in a well that is much difficult for many wise people to pull it out". However, it was expected that the press society to be much wiser than doing something which puts a big question mark on press workings and papers. I ask the press society honestly to proceed with a claim against those who requested the cartoon publisher for issuing such an unbelievable idea against human beings and against human rights. Every person is free to accept his own religion, his own language and his own nationality. It is not fair to insult some one because of his/her nationality (for being born in a poor country) or his/her religion or language. The press societies in Europe as well as in the US and in the other rich and poor countries need to re-establish their own credibility by opposing such a press abuse in the world. It is their right to claim against those who ask them for insulting the others for their believes, regarding political or other unti-human purposes. This is written to ask press societies and thinking people in the world to proceed some ideas against abusing the press issues and against what may ruin the press position in human minds.

Um, what does this have to do with me? [39] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

mouse.jpg|100px |Thank you
Hello Essjay, and thank you for your support in my for adminship/CanadianCaesar|request for adminship! It passed with a final count of 63/4/3. I am honoured by the community support and pledge to serve the project as best as I can. [40] Republic Restored 17:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC) |}

Congratualtions! Now, get to work! [41] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for Mediation concerning Fethullah Gulen.

Dear Wikipedian, I suppose this could be a mistake, because I never filed such a request. See talk:Jvb. Friendly greetings.

[42] – February 12, 2006

Looks like the notice should have been about for mediation/Vlaams Belang. I'll have to discipline my secretary for carelessness! ([43] was nice enough to send out those notes on my behalf, and must have gotten his links confused.) Have a look at the Vlaams Belang mediation page. [44] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

Since you're a mediator, could you help solve the dispute between me and [45] on [46] about the [47] article? Thanks in advance! --[48] 22:46, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't generally involve myself in edit conflicts unless a formal mediation has been requested. Have you tried RfC or filing a mediation request at [49]? [50] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 00:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

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of Hours

I was reading through your userpage just now, and I'm not sure what made me think of it, but it took me back to a few years ago when I was taking a medieval history class (elective credit). As part of it, we visited of Texas|UT's Harry Ransom Center to see their collection. We were able to see their manuscripts collection, where we got to see a real Book of Hours -- I think it was called the Belleville Book of Hours; French/Flemish. In fact, I got special dispensation to study the book there myself, as I did an analytical piece on it as my final paper for the class. Anyway, it was just gorgeous, and I've always considered it a privilege to have gotten to work so closely with such a beautiful work of antiquity. Thanks for listening to the ramble! Katefan0^{talk:Katefan0|(scribble)}/[52] 06:55, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome, and I'm here for it any time! ;-) Oh, and check your email! -- [53] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 07:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello!

Hey! I hadn't noticed you being back yet. That's cool! And happy new year, too. [54][55]>|< 10:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much, it's nice to be back! [56] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 10:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Delighted to see that you're back! --Moakler 16:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

hello

Thank you for your kind words.

I had the opportunity to work with computers since they occupied entire rooms and we used punched cards, feeding them into card-readers that were the size of automobiles. We used punched tape and 12-in diameter tapes in tape drives the size of refrigerators. I was witness to the beginnings and development of the modern personal computers.

Therefore, I attempted to add some history, well documented, that will be lost if an old-timer like me does not document these facts.

One was about how Apple marketed the Macintosh in 1983 by introducing it, without the name Macintosh, to universities. I was insulted for doing so. Is that appropriate?

Also, I wrote about a stock split. I was accused of bragging about my own money-making scheme. That was not true; I simply thought it was an important entry on a page about the stock.

The user Grahamuk was so insulting and his comments so strange and paranoid that I checked his contributions, to find that he attacked others with words and phrases calling them "fools", "babies", "idiots", and writing long ranting complaints about other users. Moreover, other people like Stan Shebs, for example, made excuses for them, and told me that my entries had the quality of, and were equivalent to, adding the phrase "Joey is gay" within an article. (I quote Stan Shebs here.) If that is what other editors think of the value of my experience, I give up on Wikipedia.

[57] 11:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Fun with Wikipedia

Thank you for the suggestions, but I do not enjoy administrative tasks.

What I wanted to do on Wikipedia was to contribute to the history of computing, great computer scientists, computer companies; to document my experiences (verifiable of course) throughout the years and decades of being a comp sci prof.

If I cannot do this, I am only an amateur in other fields, and will not contribute anything at all.

This is what I thought would be fun for me and for others too, but a small group of folks seem to have a monopoly on these topics, wipe away new information, call it trivial, and are rude and insulting besides.

So, I cannot imagine what I can contribute under the circumstances.

The articles in question, by the way, tend not to be neutral, but biased. Why? Those who want to add facts are insulted, information wiped out, and the agenda of a few established.

[58] 11:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment about DeveloperFrom1983

I do not plan to be a Wikipedia editor; I avoid using Wikipedia because I find its articles to be unreliable, incomplete, and biased, with little hope of improvement. I had warned my parents about this, but they are trusting folks. I am an adult myself, a mother who warns my child about what happens on the Internet, with chat rooms and Wikis; that they are forums for insults; that articles contain more misinformation and missing information than they do reliable information. I myself am a scientist, mathematician, and educator.

I signed in only to discuss a situation regarding my parent, DeveloperFrom1983, who just signed off, and told me how right I was about chatting and contributing on the internet. DeveloperFrom1983 plans not to participate on Wikipedia anymore. DeveloperFrom1983 remained anonymous according to my suggestion, for personal safety.

Now I really know about the lack of quality of Wikipedia, and I shall continue to spread the word.

DeveloperFrom1983 is one of the world's leading computer scientists, who worked with and knew or knows the very movers and shakers of the past five decades, someone who could have contributed much to Wikipedia, but the insulting keepers of the articles, articles that are incomplete and slanted insulted this person, and the Wikiworld has lost a valuable resource as a consequence.

Anyway, we do not think it is proper to disappear from a situation without saying good-bye.

Therefore, on behalf of DeveloperFrom1983, who does not wish to sign in any longer, good-bye.

Internet Avoider|Amy Internet Avoider 11:55, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks Essjay -- I really appreciate your kindness. You are a truly decent person. A rarity, I am sorry to say, in today's world.I completely rewrote the Frank Hamer piece, and I think it is honestly fair now, and my stepson is getting me to the Library fo Congress this week so I can leave specific pages on soem of the issues. Most though, are sourced adequately through the biography. I do think Kate has a point that with something this controversial it is better to err on the side of caution, and ultra-source cite. Thanks again for the star, it meant a lot.windy bear 16:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

You're very welcome, you earned it! Have fun at the Library of Congress! -- [59] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 16:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza group

Added! --[60][61][62] ^{talk:Celestianpower|háblame} 18:03, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! -- [63] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 18:03, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

[64] Thank you for your kind welcome, it really meant a lot to me. Your words made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. You're the first Wikipedian I've talked to (on IRC)! I hope you won't mind me bugging you with questions once in a while. ;) Thanks again! --Arcadie 21:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to bug away! I don't think there is anything more important than helping new users. -- [65] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 17:29, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Lost

Wikipedia has lost a Wikipedian due to gross insults and personal attacks. User:DeveloperFrom1983 has left he building. See my talk page, Re.:hello, the LAST paragraph. Law|Martial Law 21:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Things may not quite be as they appear. There is some evidence that DeveloperFrom1983 is an alias of another user, and created this identity to circumvent the three revert rule. In addition, this user's contributions are almost nil, and are far exceeded by the number of complaints he has made about me and others to other editors. Could it be that in fact the remarks made to this user are in fact justified? Or is it only those who complain loudest and most bitterly who are listened to? [66] 23:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

This at for CheckUser: CheckUser confirms that DeveloperFrom1983 (talk • contribs) is a sockpuppet of MathStatWoman (talk • contribs). Kelly Martin (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC).

In the light of this, which I already had strong suspicions about, the claim of DeveloperFrom1983 to be a respected professor of computer science is shown to be a lie. I think the various claims and complaints of this user can be discounted - she is taking you for a ride. [67] 00:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I'm discounting. Well better that we try to help newbies and be played than be nasty to them and find out we were wrong. Oh well, you win some and lose some. [68] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 17:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

advice

Hi - Any idea how to deal with intermittent vandalism? [69] (talk:203.116.30.225|talk • [70] • [{{fullurl:Special:Log/move|user={{{2|203.116.30.225}}}}} page moves] • [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Blockip/203.116.30.225|block user] • [{{fullurl:Special:Log/block|page=User:{{{2|203.116.30.225}}}}} block log]) seems to make four or five vandalism edits at a time, but not very frequently. I suspect a 24 hour block would be pointless, but I gather longer is not typical. I'm generally not an "enforcer" type (I've blocked perhaps two users), but I'm curious if there's a standard practice. Thanks. -- Block|Rick Block (talk:Rick Block|talk) 04:14, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

A longer block wouldn't be a problem, if we can establish that it's a static IP. If this has been going on, in the same manner, for a while (i.e., a couple months) go ahead and hit it with a block that will last a while (use your judgement, if the contributions are a couple days apart, make it a week block, if they are a couple weeks apart, make it a month block, etc.) [71] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 17:40, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...

for leaving me the message about reaching a year of edits, it is great to see that you have decided to stay on the Wiki. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 14:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

You're very welcome, and thank you, it's great to be back! [72] ^{talk:Essjay|Talk • Contact} 17:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

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From the One Who was, Who Is, and Who Is to Come:

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The Next Admin Gen

I just though I'd drop a little suggestion; perhaps it would be in order if you made a motion to elect the next Admin Gen by consensus—recommending someone for the post and requesting that Esperanza support. I am concerned that a run off for the top spot might lead to more hurt feelings, especially since the capacity to serve in an office is much more limited than what was intended when elections introduced into the charter. Seeing if the community will rally behind their Admin Gen's pick would be relatively harmless in comparison to what could unfold if they reject the move—the worst that could happen is that they would reject the move and proceed with multiple candidates who would square off against each other, each seeing who did and didn't support them; which of course would have happened anyway. I know I have a reputation for being rather secretive and authoritarian, which is why I surmise that I'm somewhat of a persona non grata throughout most of Esperanza, and I hope this suggestion doesn't further that reputation. However, I do feel that this is a sound suggestion, given that it is based on precedent, does not conflict with the charter, and such actions have been well received in the past—providing for smooth and stable transitions. I hope you will give serious consideration to my proposal. Thanks. -[74] 05:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

It is a good suggestion, and you're argument for it is certainly sound. However, I don't feel comfortable doing it for a number of reasons:

1. There are a lot of qualified candidates, and several of them are friends of mine, and it spells nothing but trouble for me to try to pick one of them. Even if I managed to decide who to suggest, there is no way it could be seen as impartial.
2. Consensus is always good, but I've noticed a disturbing trend: Whenever I open my mouth, whatever comes out of it is supported because others have come to believe I know what I'm talking about. I'm concerned that whatever candidate I picked would be supported because I picked them, and not because the association feels they are particularly qualified.
3. Anyone who opposed the pick would be subject to negative reaction. I used approval voting the last time so that there was no possiblity of having hurt feelings over "Oppose" comments, and I stand by that method strongly.

As such, I can't in good conscience go with an acclamation process; I'd much rather see a candidate statement from each interested party, and let the association pick their leader freely. I think it's just best that way. -- [75] • Talk 18:44, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Supertroll back

FYI, Supertroll is back I think [76]. --editor|a.n.o.n.y.m ^{talk:Anonymous editor| t} 21:04, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I wish you all the best of luck in fighting him/her and the rest of the whackjobs who are obsessed with causing problems here. -- [77] • Talk 16:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

sorry...

sorry for voting delete on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Catholic Church of Wikipedia its just a really strongly feal it is really unecyclopediacal and ther eis no need for it. Dont leave wikipedia just because of any thing relating to it --[78][79] [80] + 08:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

You aren't sorry in the least, you're a vindictive child and you opposed it simply because you're pissed that I wouldn't let you run ramshod over the CVU channel. I rest comfortably in knowing that if you don't grow up, you won't be around here long before someone hits indef block. -- [81] • Talk 16:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Please...

Don't go. It looks like the Church will be kept, as it should be. It'd be terrible to lose such a wonderful Wikipedian just because some people don't have a sense of humour. wub|the wub wub|"?!" 17:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I just can't do it anymore. -- [82] • Talk 17:28, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Please consider logging on to either IRC or MSN so I can cheer you up... --[83][84][85] ^{talk:Celestianpower|hablamé} 17:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

No thanks, I just need to go. Thanks for everything, I love you all. -- [86] • Talk 17:36, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Reading your user page, now written in the past tense, brings me close to tears; I cannot image how you feel or exactly how much detritus you've had to put up with. You shall always remain in my highest estimation, whether you remain on the wiki or not. I hope, at least, that these few words are of some small comfort to you. If you are around and able myself and Celestianpower are in IRC #wikipedia-en-vandalism and would appreciate you joining us there. [87] ^[88] 17:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I can't now, I have a meeting to go to, but what I will promise is that I will sign on later tonight. I need to anyway, as I have to transfer the channels to others. -- [89] • Talk 17:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I really am sorry

I know you are stressed and may never come back, and I would hate to see it happen. Please just take some time off and join back up later. No one was criticising "your" work. This is a wiki, and once the CCW moved out of your user space, it was open for anyone to edit. I hope you reconsider in the near future. I'm not sure there is anything we can say to change your mind. Godspeed Essjay. --Voldemort|LV ^{talk:Lord Voldemort|(Dark Mark)} 17:51, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

For what it's worth, your stay here was an unalloyed net gain for Wikipedia. I really can't think of anything nicer to say. --[90] talk:Marudubshinki|(talk) [91] 18:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

What are you doing?

I know I come across somewhat hardcore at times but, there is no way I'd let some troglodites chase me out of Wikipedia!...we could have protected your page and we could also have done some harder banning. You can do whatever you want...just make sure it is what you want to do and not what a few little twerps would like. We have the alerts...if you were under attack, surely the troops would have come to your aide to help you deal with the trolls. Let me know if there is anything I can do.--[92] 17:59, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Please, don't leave

In any sufficiently large group of people (and Wikipedia is huge) there are going to be people with whom you disagree. Count on it. I myself thought that if I kept a level head and treated people kindly that I would be immune to that reality. I was utterly wrong. The sad fact is there are people here who are hate filled, who will seek out to put down people they despise, and will stop at nothing to do it. The best course of action is to ignore these people. Their own hatred is their undoing. You know this. I know you know this. Take it to heart, and live by it. I just did a tally on the AfD on [93]. It's 31 keep, 21 delete (original AFDer was an anon), with two days left. It's going to be kept. The opposers would need at least another 30 oppose votes in two days. That just isn't going to happen. Whether it's offensive (as many of the delete voters are stating) or not isn't a valid point. Wikipedia can not bear the cross of not being offensive to anyone. This is impossible all the moreso in a world-wide community. Furthermore, a Wikipedia space article is not part of the encyclopedia. Thus, arguments that such content should not be in an encyclopedia are falsely based as well. There are bad neighborhoods in Wikipedia. You've been victimized by them. Don't let yourself be. You are who you are regardless of what happens on Wikipedia. Don't let the negative elements of Wikipedia get you down. There's too much good here to ignore. --[94] 18:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Please don't leave!

I once heard somebody say that every time a good editor leaves the project, the idiot quotient goes up. Please don't leave for good, Essjay. You are a valued contributor. Take a Wikibreak, by all means, but when you're refreshed and ready, please come back. We'll miss you. [95]e[96]talk:Hermione1980|1980 18:36, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: All

Thanks, I really do appreciate all your kind words, and you all know how much you mean to me. It just isn't in me to keep going with the project, and I can't stay around when the negativity outweighs the positivity and I can do nothing about it. I've tried to be a light in the darkness, but my candle's blown out. Please guys, don't waste your time on me, just let me go in peace. Let it be remembered that I tried and let that inspire others to keep trying. -- [97] • Talk 19:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for inspiring me

Dear Essjay; thanks for the inspiration. I used to look up your edits and so on and felt reassured that such an ethical person was here. Lots of love. [98] 19:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Do what you need to do for you.

Essjay, you need to do what is right for you. If you want to go, then go with your God and all our best wishes.

If you choose to take a Wikibreak and come back later, dozens upon dozens of Wikipedians will celebrate. You are genuinely admired and respected by the majority. You will be missed whilst you are away and your absence will be felt.

Do what you need to do for you, not for us. But we'll all look forward to you changing your mind if you do. ➨ [99][100][101][102][103] 19:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

You should reconsider

I believe you should reconsider, perhaps take a wikibreak, but if you are intent on going on won't ask you do do something you do not want to do. -[104] 19:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Won't you at least consider working on your wikibio so a record can be made of what you accomplished and why you left? -[105] 19:54, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Put "He did a few things, made a few friends, and left when he couldn't take crying over what was happening to the people he cared so much about." I think that about sums it up. -- [106] • Talk 19:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• With respect, you underestimate yourself. As an experinced editor the biggest mistakes I've made at wikipedia were when I was tired and frustrated—you don't have to stay at wikipedia, but please at least sleep on this. -[107] 20:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, please reconsider.

As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job's perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy..

--[108] 19:59, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, read the sentence you wrote above. "He couldn't take crying over what was happening to the people he cared so much about." That doesn't just describe you, it describes all of us when we see a great user like you leaving. At least, I know that it describes me. Please reconsider. [109]xd^([110]) 01:31, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Regards

I have "confessed" on the talk page to have been the nominator of the CCW page, and I stand by the nomination. You may wish to see my comments there. That said, please don't leave. Not everyone shares your sense of humor, but NO ONE (among real WPians) doubts your merit, and your tremendous contributions here. I will beat any vandals who harrass you with my bare hands, if I must. The CCW may live on elsewhere, and I'll even pledge myself to your service, if it helps. I'm very deeply sorry you've been hurt. Remember that the RCC is like a mother to many people, and it is always wise to use tact in joking about somebody's mother. Best wishes and great sadness, [111] 20:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Your Wikiness,

If this helps... I have a page in my userpage which is a preserved copy of the "FucktheSouth" article. I swear to you that my dislike of the South is passionate, probably as powerful as your own feelings regarding the CCW and the Roman Church. My own feelings on that matter remain intense, and always will, as a reflection of the pain I and my family have endured and do endure. Nevertheless, in deference and recognition of the sacrafice I have asked you to make of your namespace church article, I will now mark my userspace article for deletion. Sometimes, even deepest feelings must be kept quiet, if they are not relevant to the core goal at hand, which is encyclopedia building. Again, I am sorry and truly sad, [112] 20:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Best wishes

I don't think I've ever talked to you, but I've admired your work. :-) Whatever you do is best for you. Hopefully this will just turn out to be a Wikibreak, but if not, best of luck [113]. --[114]e[115]phoenix 20:24, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Essjay, it saddens me greatly to see you go. You were a great mentor and role model to new users such as myself, and you will be sorely missed. I can understand your desire to leave, despite how much I want you to stay. Best of luck wherever your tallents and skills are actually appreciated, 2006|Mysekutalk:Mysekurity|rity 22:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I know you like to stay annonymous, but if you're in Boston this summer, would you come by 2006|Wikimania 2006? It'd be great to meet you, or if not, just come and see those whom you have been working with for the past 6 months or so. Again, goodbye, 2006|Mysekutalk:Mysekurity|rity 22:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Essjay, I always appreciated your work. Go in peace, friend. -- [116] 23:19, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• You will be missed. :( [117] 01:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm very sorry to see you go. :( Do what you feel you have to do, and best wishes! --Moakler 03:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

WTF?

Have you lost your mind? Leaving? Seriously? Let me get this straight. Somebody or some group attacked you and said hateful things about and/or to you. So? Surely you already knew there were assholes in the universe. You have many [118] here (and some you don't even list - ahem). By leaving you're saying there's nothing we can say or do to counteract the other things. Is there something else going on in your life making you depressed? Please, please, see a doctor if there is (modern pharmaceuticals can be truly amazing, and then there are the legal ones) . Regardless of what else is going on in your real life, here in wikipedia-land you have plenty of friends who will support you. You can count on it. -- Block|Rick Block (talk:Rick Block|talk) 01:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Bye

I understand you're leaving, I won't try to stop you, or even ask you to reconsider. Do whatever you want, whatever makes you happy. Have fun with that you're doing, and don't listen to all these buggers that are pestering you to come back if you don't want to. It's too bad to see you go, but its not like everyone'll be on this project forever anyway. So bye, mate. Butcher|Quentin talk:Private Butcher|Pierce 01:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

See, people don't have any respect for you. You say you want to leave, and be left alone, and yet no one will. At least I have enough respect to let you go when you want to. I think of you highly as an editor and an admin. But its your wish to go, no one should even try to change your mind. Only you can do that, so please go, and if you ever want to come back, then do so. But once again, have fun being one. It'll be good for you. Bye again. Butcher|Quentin talk:Private Butcher|Pierce 01:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Is there fatal flaw in the system?

Honestly, I don't know what to say anymore. So many people are leaving that I'm at a loss as to what can be done to stop the bleeding. It makes me wonder if I've wasted the last five weeks trying to make Wikipedia a better place. --[119] 01:23, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think there is. I think that the constant stress of fighting off vandals and people with different mindsets (haven't you ever seen it remarked that most of the initial and second-generation Wikipedians were very geeky?) wear users down, until finally there is a straw that breaks their back, so to speak, whereupon they leave. Essjay simply reached the limits of his endurance. --[120] talk:Marudubshinki|(talk) [121] 01:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, listen!

Well, I admit these last few weeks have been quite stressful for you. However, in direct contradiction of Butcher|Private Butcher's suggestion above, listen to all these buggers that are pestering you. It isn't fair to make a ranking, but if I made a list of the users I respect the most in Wikipedia, you would definitely be on the top tier of said list. And I can guarantee you, I am not the only one who thinks that. Please, listen to all these users who are trying to make you see just how much you are appreciated. Wikipedia would not be the same place without you, don't go!!!! Do we need to have another sit-in to remind that you? [122]xd^([123]) 01:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, Wikipedia will be a different place without him. We'll miss you, Essjay. -- Welsh | [124] | Esperanza 01:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

CCW kept

The Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Catholic Church of Wikipedia|debate is over and consensus is to keep the [125]. I have joined the church to express my support, and I'm praying to Jimbo to curse the delete voters to eternal damnation! (offense, by the way.) --[126] 02:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Honorable martyrdom

I would go, too, after all the abuse I've suffered - and not a single soul recognizing my 4-year anniversary. But I promised mav that Wikipedia would always be part of my life.

The world needs a place to assemble its knowledge, and until something better than Wikipedia comes along this is it. Please take a good long break, and rest assured that your example lives on. :-) Poor|Uncle Ed 04:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

While I have not had any interactions with Essjay, and did not participate in the present [127], so that I am not aware of its nature, I must say that I agree wholly with Uncle Ed's sentiments. I myself left Wikipedia in frustration (and I may yet again) but at this time, there is no real alternative. [128] 19:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

An example to follow

Essjay, I don't know whether you will read this, but you are truely inspirational. When I saw what you've done, I said to myself: 'hey, I can do that.' Best wishes. --glasgow|Doc talk:Doc glasgow|^ask? 09:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

This is news for me

[129]

On the surface, like a sudden sign, my friend. I feel very fortunate to have met you, thanks to Wikipedia, where you have done an exceptional and truly outstanding amount of good. Will email you soon with more thoughts. Yours always, C|El_C 10:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

It's broken

Essjay, I knew you were doing a lot of things right merely from the number of times, and the viciousness with which, your user page was vandalized. Indeed, I was surprised that you didn't leave a lot earlier. I didn't often see your edits, as your interests were very different from mine and as your pursuit of vandals didn't often coincide with mine; still, what I saw I liked a lot. And I was particularly charmed by your awarding of indulgences and other witty gestures. WP without your comments will provide a lot fewer laughs for me.

I'm with Uncle Ed: The world needs a place to assemble its knowledge, and until something better than Wikipedia comes along this is it. A pity that WP's insistence on openness makes good editors like you waste their time on, and sometimes be defeated by, trolls, vandals, hucksters, and blowhards. All the best. [130] 10:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Good shepherd

lupus baileyi running.jpg|thumb|right|250px|I'll protect of your precious fold in your absence (and promise not to eat [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User Talk:Acetic Acid|AceTalk:Acetic Acid|tic'^Acid|Acid. -- ( _vandalproof page talk:Drini|☎ ) 16:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC) ]

Saddened

I am sorry to see you go, too, but I think I understand how you feel. I'm beginning to wonder if Wikipedia is an exercise in futility. [131] 19:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

You have done good work...

You have done good work here on Wikipedia; be proud. Should you come this way in the future, you will be welcome. [132]([133]) 16:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello and good luck

I have never had any personal contact with you but know of you and have been impressed by your work. Came here hoping to get some advice on making a template but that is of no import. Didn't know you had left, but good luck in whatever you do.--Dakota talk:DakotaKahn|^{t e} 17:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Peace

"Don't be dismayed by good-byes. A farewell is necessary before you can meet again. And meeting again, after moments or lifetimes, is certain for those who are friends." - Richard Bach

-- [134] 20:11, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

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[135] has seen fit to nominate this editor for adminship.
Watch the drama and excitement for adminship/Essjay|here!

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Essjay/Jesuit

Thanks. Are you a Jesuit? What does Essjay mean?--[136] 04:09, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

• No, I'm not a priest or a Jesuit; I'm a professor at a private university in the U.S., and the Catholic Church is one of my areas of expertise.

• • As a fellow non-Jesuit, I had to stop by and say hello. Welcome! :) [137]Talk:Sj|+ 14:20, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

LMAO

My first ever award :D :D :D Thank you so much haha this guy is so unoriginal. Like the RickK stalker... [138] 07:11, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Good job on nickbushisafag, I was gonna do that but I saw you beat me :P [139]

Doppelganger account policy

Hi Essjay! I've made a bunch of edits to the policy talk page lately. I hope you have found them agreeable. Please feel free to revert my changes if I've gone far too WikiBold. What do you think is the best way to let people know about the vote? Seems like it's going to start Monday. I hope 30 days isn't too long for a vote, but since the page is not so well known, I guess it was a good idea to make it this long. --[140] 07:44, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I requested about a day ago that a link to the page be placed [141] so that more Wikipedians would be aware of it. I also mentioned it in passing to a few admins who I had encountered. I suspect the prominence and prestige associated with an article there lead many to believe that the policy would be extremely polished. --[142] 02:14, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, DG is a guideline now. I'm quite pleased with that. To think that I could have just typed {{guideline}} to begin with!! I think I'll move on to a different chapter in my WikiAdventures now. I noticed that you participated briefly on the reference desk talk page where there was a discussion regarding the creation of multiple topic pages. Are you interested in looking into that a bit further? --[143] 08:06, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Awards

Nice to see you've garnered some awards for your excellent work rather than just having me having a go at you! I hope you can understand what I was trying to say and that I meant no offense, just trying to be fair-handed. [144] [145] 09:24, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Newbies to Welcome

Just troll the recent changes for users with red talk links. [146] 20:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Revert of my user page

You wrote "Revert anon changes" to my user page. It was just me not logged-in for some reason. Anyway; goodbye Wikipedia! guy|Georgia guy 01:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

A big WikiThanks to you!

[147] Hi Essjay! Thank you for your kind words, your thoughtful honesty, and your well rounded diplomacy. You make Wikipedia a better place to be, and I wish to take this opportunity to recognize your well-roundedness with this WikiThanks here. Thank you! :-) --[148] 01:44, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

The secret WikiPolice

Nope, me neither. One time is one too many. Yikes! For myself, I've taken it off my watchlist. --[149] 08:21, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

Essjay, thank you for the welcome on my talk page. I know the fellow that was making those anon changes, mainly because I told him I was becoming active on Wikipedia! Oh well. --McKay|Robert McKay 08:40, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome on my talk page too -- [150] 12:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

JacksonBrown

He was a GNAA troll...No need for you to apologize to him for anything! Thanks for being a diligent and good faith contributor!

Thanks for the comment, I just figured I would be polite, even if he's a troll, I don't like editing user pages. (btw, I liked the vandal whacking stick lol) <>Whotalk:Who|?¿? 11:02, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar, I hope there isn't a speech. :) <>Whotalk:Who|?¿? 11:15, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I just had a little session myself! :) C|El_C 12:38, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

(Image removed to user page. Thanks El! -- [151] • Talk 12:54, July 12, 2005 (UTC))

My pleasure! :) C|El_C 13:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

1911 Encyclopedia Project

I want to thank you for taking the time to welcome me to Wikipedia. I've done a few minor edits over the past few months, but it is certainly nice to know that some Wikipedians are willing to make an extra effort. Right now, I'm trying to go through a painful process of linking content from Encyclopædia Britannica|The 11th Edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica to Wikipedia, with links back as well. It is interesting how much has changed on Wikipedia from the good 'ol days (I was involved with Nupedia back elsewhen for a bit and Gnupedia before that, but choose not to get involved with Wikipedia at the time...to my regret). Something sad, however, is the number of Wikipedia articles that are still essentially from this edition of the Encyclopedia Brittanica. --Horning|Robert Horning 12:01, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

HOLY HELL

MAY BE SAVED JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT THIS My lemming may be saved! User not justified for posting it on copyright problems! [152] 13:09, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I do hope you read that before you left. [153] 13:10, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome. There have been a few rouge admins accusing me of being a sockpuppet and they messed up my old account and password! -- [154] 16:32, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I feel welcomed

Thanks for the welcome. I'll try my best, but do tell me if I screw something up. --[155] 17:20, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks about reminding me about the tildes...I simply can't read all the items that are surging into the Bush talk page and it is only made harder when half of them are unsigned. I realize they are probably new users and I have a beef with anon posting...but that's just personal...we are trying to build an encyclopedia...I wouldn't buy a reference book from an anon writer or publisher and expect it to be authoritive...I need a "face" to go with the words. Have a good one.--[156] 18:00, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the help...

...and for the quick response. --[157] 18:04, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Welcome notice

I saw you add a welcome notice to talk:RL0919. I usually use {welcome}, but I think yours is quite a bit better. Could you tell me where the template is located? Thanks, [158] [159] 19:11, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, [160] [161] 19:20, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

I took the liberty of moving up the most recent comment. Many people won't see your note, since they may just hit the "new comment" button instead of editing the page. If you don't want more people writing at the bottom of the page, it may help to say so at the top of the talk page as well. Have a good day, 22:11, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Thank's

Thank's for your welcome Essjay ;) [162]

NOMINATED

Now accept! [163] 12:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Have accepted and answered the questions. (Did you think I wouldn't have them prepared?) God I hope this goes well! -- [164] • Talk 13:08, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

To Do

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Ψ Award

Thank you proofreading my edit to Gambling. I am horrible at proofing my own writings! For your help I award you with the PSI. May you be blessed with good mental health; if not, use the PSI as a "Get-out-of-the-looney-bin-free card!" Once again, thanks for your help, and I hope to see you around the website soon! guy|Psy guy 17:11, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Creed

I've made a proposal at Creed#Proposal upon which I'd like your thoughts, especially regarding RC usage of said creed. [166] talk:JHCC|(talk) 13:08, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it, but it will probably be next week. -- [167] • Talk 21:24, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Just a little request

Is it possible for to give me your email address so that I can contact you when I'm in need for some sysop actions? (esp. when I'm accidentally being blocked) Chan|Deryctalk:Deryck Chan|k C. 05:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

You are on the list...

hereby award you the working mans barnstar, for tirelessly contributing to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wikipedia--Kamalabadi|Exir Kamalabadi 04:30, August 3, 2005 (UTC)] ...of my Kamalabadi/Friends|wikifriends! --Kamalabadi|Exir Kamalabadi^{me a note!} 04:55, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

RFA

Thank you for your vote of confidence.--[168] 06:16, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

WELCOME BACK

Welcome back from the break ;-) [169] 06:33, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Why thank you! -- [170] • Talk 06:39, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

NOW I'm gonna go read a good Patterson and call it a night. But go check WP:WC's talk page. Me and Who have commented. Cheers and good night! [171] 08:30, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

• Yea I saw the edit summary. "Declaring myself back.." Was gonna say something stupid/funny about it, but forgot. :( Oh well. Welcome back. You want a welcome template posted? ;-p [172][173]talk:Who|?¿? 08:37, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

You know, I can't remember if I was ever welcomed! Redstalker24 up there has spammed me with some welcomes, but I don't know if I was welcomed when I was new. I know the nice people at Wikiquote (where I have all of 13.2 edits) welcomed me multiple times over. (I was welcomespammed, that must be why I stopped contributing there!) If somebody wants to welcome me, I'll be happy to accept it! -- [174] • Talk 08:42, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Hehe. my template would eat up your page :) [175]. I was welcomed like after a month, and thats when I joined WC, because of the helpful links. I've had a few users ask to user versions of my templates since. Welcome ^to _Wikipedia :) [176][177]talk:Who|?¿? 08:51, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome, I'm such a newbie here. I hope to maybe get to 20 edits by the end of the week, and maybe become an administrator sometime in 3012. Anyway, how do you sign your name on pages like that? Essjay 08:55, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. <g> Sig: With a lot of really unnecessary code that eats up Wiki space :o (unless you're serious) [178][179]talk:Who|?¿? 08:58, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Nope, just a bit of sarcasm, since I find myself giving the "tilde lecture" to more and more newbies (thank God I don't have to give any lectures!) -- [180] • Talk 09:07, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Phew, was thinking I was gonna have to copy / paste my entire sig here from preferences. Hehe.. Yea, the titty lecture was funny, I wonder why they didn't keep them.. hmm.. [181][182]talk:Who|?¿? 09:09, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Rest easy, I don't want anything more than my lovely, elegant [183] • Talk; I wish more users would include the talk link in their signature (glances in the direction of Redstalker24). -- [184] • Talk 09:14, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

I'm confused. was that there before? If so, I'm blind or something. Blankverse and I sometimes get negative "better than thou" comments about our signatures. Oh well, I didn't do it to be better, I did it cuz it's pretty, or something :) [185][186]talk:Who|?¿? 09:19, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Now I'm confused! If you're asking if I'm being critical, I'm not, as I have no problem with pretty/colorful/etc. signatures, execpt when they get out of control (i.e., if your sig takes more than one line in and of itself and/or could be confused with the entire text of the Bible, then it's too long), and I don't think thats the case for you. As for what was there before, I'm totally cornfused about what you mean. HELP! But the important thing is, I'm not being critical, we were just having a fun jaunt about. -- [187] • Talk 09:32, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

No no, I meant, was your talk link there before? Sorry about that. Yea, I didn't think you had any problem with my sig, I was just speaking in general about our specialized ones. [188][189]talk:Who|?¿? 09:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Ah, well that settles it then: A deul at sunrise! (Oh, right, we aren't insulting each other, no need for a deul then, I guess...) ; - )

Yes, the "Talk" link has been there for some time; at first I had the Essjay (talk) setup, but I didn't like it, so I switched it to Essjay • Talk. I can think of one editor who I think should change his signature because it's confusing, doesn't appear to be in english, and is horendously overly elaborate, but I won't say who it is, because I don't engage in that sort of thing. (curtsies polietly and smiles demurely) ; - ) -- [190] • Talk 09:43, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Oh i have a few ideas in mind. I don't say anything about them though, although you can't tell "who" they are right away from their sigs, I think its nice to have custom sigs. [191][192]talk:Who|?¿? 09:46, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

If you'd really like to know, email me or IM me on MSN Messenger (essjay-wiki); I make it a point to only talk about people behind their backs. (IM's Redwolf24: That Who is a real %$)#!) Oops... ; - ) -- [193] • Talk 09:58, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Btw, I wiki-mailed ya. MSN only likes email addies. [194][195]talk:Who|?¿? 10:11, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Welcome

Here we go. :D

Welcome!

newcomers|Welcome back, {{PAGENAME}}! My name is Ryan, aka Acid|Acetic Acid. I noticed that you just came back from your break! I just wanted to see if you had a good vacation. Wikipedia can be a little intimidating at first, since it uses different formatting than other sites that use [196] and [197]. In the long run, though, you'll find that the WikiSyntax is a lot easier and faster than those other ways. Here are a few links to get you started:

• to edit a page|How to edit a page
• policy, conduct, and structure tutorial
• tutorial|Picture tutorial
• to write a great article|How to write a great article

There are a lot of policies and guides to read, but I highly recommend reading over those first. If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my Talk:Acetic Acid|talk page. Please be sure to your posts on talk pages|sign your name on Talk Pages using four tildes (~~~~) to produce your name and the current date, along with a link to your user page. This way, others know when you left a message and how to find you. It's easier than having to type out your name, right? :)

I hope you enjoy contributing to Wikipedia. We can use all the help we can get! Have a nice day. Sincerely, Acid|Ryan 09:20, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

You're too much. :P

Welcome back! And thank you so much for the barnstar. I was the perfect way to help lower my Wikistress. :P If I ever start tackling speedy deletions again, I'll die. X_X Acid|Ryan 09:16, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the discussion regarding Welcoming. I posted my input. I wonder if I'm over enthusiastic? @_@ And yeah, thanks for the advice. No more CSDs and VfDs for awhile. If I continued, I'd probably get thrown out of AIW. :P Acid|Ryan 09:52, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Of course I knew you weren't a newbie. That's why I revamped it to say Welcome Back instead of just Welcome! Plus, I knew firsthand that you were an admin. You did, *cough* block me afterall. Acid|Ryan 10:10, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Nice to see you can forgive and forget so well. Oh snap! I'm on the A-List now. :D Acid|Ryan 10:19, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Licensing

Essjay, I just put this licencing template on my user page: {{WikimediaAllLicensing}}

There is a sentence saying that "I grant...for the Wikimedia Foundation Inc. to relicense my text and media contributions, including any images, audio clips, or video clips". Does it mean that I can let wikimedia relicense ALL of my image contributions, or only relicense the image that I created?

--Kamalabadi|Exir Kamalabadi^{me a note!} 10:59, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

If you use that particular licensing statement, you are basically saying that you are giving the Foundation all the rights to anything you put on the site, and they can do whatever they want with them. Honestly, you don't have to have any licensing info, as everything is automatically released under the [198]. -- [199] • Talk 11:09, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

3RR

Thank you for not blocking me, but I think you are mistaken. On none of those articles did I revert more than three times. Once I hit my third revert I deliberately posted a notice to AN and ceased editing those pages. - [200] 15:37, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

You are absolutely correct! I went back and checked, and my mistake was on Louis Freeh, where you did make four edits, but they were not four identical reverts. I retract my stern warning and hereby admonish myself: Essjay, be more careful to check the edits you are calling reversions. Bad administrator, bad, bad! I'll correct AN as well. For your excellent work in avoiding 3RR violations, I have awarded you the Cool as a Cucumber award. Good work! -- [201] • Talk 15:55, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Essjay to the Rescue!

Thanks for taking care of Dirty Animals. That was... gross. @_@ I might even prefer WoW over him/her. Then again, D.A.'s work is probably easier to clean up than WoW's is. Acid|Ryan 17:11, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Straight up, what did you hope to learn about here?

If I were someone else, would this all fall apart?

Strange, where were you, when we started this gig?

I wish the real world would just stop hassling me!

Erm... yeah. Have fun. Acid|Ryan 17:46, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

MY WELCOME IS BETTER

Welcome from [202]

Welcome!

Hello, and newcomers|welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. We as a community are glad to have you and thank you for creating a user account! Here are a few good links for newcomers:

• pillars|The Five Pillars of Wikipedia
• to edit a page|How to edit a page
• policy, conduct, and structure tutorial
• tutorial|Picture tutorial
• to write a great article|How to write a great article
• conventions|Naming conventions
• of Style|Manual of Style
• redirecting, and renaming pages
• If you're ready for the complete list of Wikipedia documentation, there's also index.

Yes some of the links appear a bit boring at first, but they are VERY helpful if you ever take the time to read them.

Remember to place any articles you create into a category so we don't get [203].

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [204]! By the way, please be sure to your posts on talk pages|sign your name on Talk and vote pages using four tildes (~~~~) to produce your name and the current date, or three tildes (~~~) for just your name. If you have any questions, see the pages, add a question to the pump|village pump or ask me on my Talk:Redwolf24|Talk page. Again, welcome.

[205] (Talk:Redwolf24|Talk) 00:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC) {{now}}

P.S. I like messages :-P

Mwe!

Thanks so much Redwolf24. If I have any questions about newbie stalking or copyvios, I'll be sure to visit talk:Redwolf24|the community picnic. ; - ) -- [206] • Talk 00:58, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Hey I've never copyvio'd :O If you mean that [207] [208], that was the listers fault, not Mine :) Anyways. this is my 4000th edit :D :D :D :D [209] 01:22, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Now hold on there my suicidal-rodent loving friend, I didn't accuse you of anything, I merely said if I had questions, I'd ask. Methinks the lemming doth protesteth too much. ; - ) Oh, and I'm only about 125 away from 400 myself. -- [210] • Talk 01:58, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

re: admin list

Hi - Wantman has offered as well. I told him earlier this week that RFA looked a little crowded and suggested he might want to wait a bit. If you want to talk it over with him, feel free. I will actually be a little scarce (well, alright, completely scarce) from about the 8th to the 13th, so perhaps it should wait till I'm back. Thanks. -- Block|Rick Block (talk:Rick Block|talk) 03:39, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

BTW, if you haven't already you might want to read this thread, [211]. I'm not sure I would be an uncontroversial candidate. -- Block|Rick Block (talk:Rick Block|talk) 03:52, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Re: User:Shane Lively

I would just like to clarify the situation regarding the account Lively. This was a practical joke against an associate who goes to my school. Someone told me about it and I decided to start contributing to it and maintaing it. I have learnt from from my mistakes and I won't do it again. But contributing to it is the only thing I did. I never created the account and have never had access to it. Vandalising is something I would never do. I will make inquiries at my school about the issue in order to sort it out. So again, I never accessed the account and never used it to vandalise other pages. Thankyou. --Moore|cheese-cube 07:56, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Replied [212]. -- [213] • Talk 08:04, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Wikiblower

I've reverted your closing of the VFD debate. Wikipedia namespace is entirely within the jurisdiction of VFD (please see the appropriate policy pages for details) and there is precedent for deleting half-baked, spurious or WP:POINT policy proposals. Yours, [214][215]>|< 10:37, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

I was going with to Votes for deletion#Appropriateness of VFD: "The community is far more lenient towards what happens in the Wikipedia and User namespaces, allowing for such things as chess competitions in the former, and extreme POV in the latter. You should not nominate pages from either namespace unless you have a very strong case." Certainly, it does say that VfD may be used for the project namespace, but it also strongly cautions that it shouldn't be.

I felt, and continue to feel, that VfD is not an appropriate place for policy discussion to be made, and that the policy proposal should be given the opportunity to develop. I have no opinion on the policy, so I felt qualified to be an "uninvolved admin" and de-list the proposal; I felt there was enough interest (as evidenced by the number of votes present in a single day) to demonstrate that the policy should be discussed as a policy proposal, not a VfD.

Although I do believe it is inappropriate to VfD policy proposals (even ill-advised ones) before they have had time to be considered (after all, it was created today) I will not re-close the debate. If it is deleted, so be it. -- [216] • Talk 10:57, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Vandal!

By no means do I love lemmings. I love lemming. Do not correct my grammar ;- ) I mastered the table by the way so it doesnt say PAGENAME when they look at the source. I learned how to through that whole thing with my welcome message and the tildes rendering despite they had the no wiki thing... Anywho, now I can just walk up to a random editor, nominate them, and slap them with a <Removed>. [217] 10:54, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Ha, forgot to subst: that. Now its pointless. [218] 10:54, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Having seen it, I'm removing now so that there won't be any confusion. As for the lemmings, I thought it was a typo. ; - ) -- [219] • Talk 11:01, August 4, 2005 (UTC) [220]

Aww.. you removed it before I could vandalise it with this image. And, I love lemming sounds like a type of pudding. [221][222]talk:Who|?¿? 11:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, if you really want to vandalise it, it's in the history... ; - ) -- [223] • Talk 11:24, August 4, 2005 (UTC)